Moving On From a Breakup

Josh Gondelman talks with caller Mary Kate about breakups, self-definition, and the mantra she wrote in her journal to get herself through it.What You'll HearA Long-Overdue Museum Walk: Josh finally makes it to the Art Institute of Chicago after promising himself for years, and comes away with a soft spot for El Greco, a name that tickles him more than it probably should.The Line She Wrote to Get Through It: Caller Mary Kate opens up about her first serious breakup, and the sentence she scribbled down mid-heartbreak that's carried her since: I prevail because I can define myself.A Little Sister's First Trip to New York: Mary Kate's 14-year-old sister comes to visit for the first time in years, and watching her light up over yellow cabs and a Broadway show becomes its own kind of pep talk.CHAPTERS00:00 Josh's long-delayed trip to the Art Institute of Chicago04:16 Welcome caller Mary Kate04:46 A breakup, and the promise she made to herself07:38 Her little sister's first trip to New York16:59 The line she wrote to get through it25:08 Goodnight to her sisterFor the fully immersive, phone free light + sound experience, learn more at hatch.co. Follow us on TikTok @hatchpodcasts and YouTube. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.