Mummies 2

In the dead of night, as people sleep, that is when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three, dark things take power. We like to call it the supernatural hour. Hey, welcome to the supernatural hour.

I am your host Raven. I am Chad. And here's Emmet. Now, I just have to throw this out there.

Usually we have a couple more people on, but somebody, uh, Raven, uh, forgot about podcasting until last minute. And I basically found a text and said, so sorry, we have to record tomorrow in order to get us out on time. In my defense, I had surgery a little over a week ago, and I've been sore and in pain. And so it's not like I'm- I think you're excused.

I'm not a total schmuck. I'm just a- Yeah, don't beat yourself up. Well, the thing about it though, is this isn't the first time I've done this. So I don't know what I'm going to blame it on next time.

Yeah, but this time you have an excuse. I know. There you go. There you go.

I know. Okay. So- For the business? Yes, sorry.

I just had like a total business. I'm an agenda. Well, we're recording. Hang on, look at that.

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Right. So I'm excited to go back as a ghost hunting venue and really get- and we were there during the daytime. And you can find paranormal stuff in the daytime too, but it's just cooler at night. And there's a neat state park on the way just off the road.

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I think gorge. It's worth taking 10 or 15 minutes and stopping by that. There's no cost to get in and it's got a neat overlooking. If you, I'm sure you could spend a whole day there or more, but when we did it, we just kind of went and looked and it's, it's a really nice overlooking.

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West of City. Yeah, so it's, it's pretty remote, but it is a neat little town too. I mean, they've got neat little cafes and. Oh, we went thinking it was a ghost town.

Yeah, like there was nothing there. Like ruins, but I went and like this is actually a cute little town. Yeah, and they've got the old mining buckets and things like that, you know, on the trolleys and it's, it's historic. It's pretty cool.

Yes. So it sounds fun. It's going to be a lot of fun and check or em, you're coming right. I hope so.

There's so much going on right now. No, I get it. So we're going to try, you know, I mean, that's only just a little over a month away. We're going to try.

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But on these, it's just a go. You know, the only thing we suggest is not to wander off by yourself, but you eat and then just go. Yeah. And if you want to go with someone, one of the investigators, one of the personalities, you can do that too.

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Yeah, we said you remember last summer's Insiders, Shin Dig, and the park we had, we found some amazing paranormal activity that night right there in a park. Oh, yeah. And then we see like a guy walking a ferret. What was he walking?

He was walking some funky animals. Do you remember that? I don't. Yeah, three or four people signed me.

They weren't sure if he was real or if it was a we decided he was real. It wasn't an aberration. It was just strange. Yeah, it was some sort of a weird animal.

Like he was walking a ferret or a fox or something that you usually don't see people taking for a walk. Wow. And I missed that. Darn it.

I didn't see it. I just heard about it. So I'm going to throw out one other little tidbit of business if that's okay. It's our show, which is our October is already starting to fill up.

So you can just look forward to a lot of stuff going on in October. So you have some library presentations coming up. Library presentations. We have a group of horror writers that are going to be doing their own little thing.

But I thought, ooh, that sounds cool. So you're looking forward to October. I'm excited for it. Alright.

Summer sure took its time getting here. But now that's just flying by and you're right. It's going to be fall before you know it. And we will have our October investigation up on Eventbrite pretty quick too.

Yeah, we'll get that taken care of and probably this next upcoming week. Makes an aca September one in there too. We're still looking at that. Yeah, we kind of had a skip July because Raven was.

Raven was broken. I was broken. She's on the repair now. I'm a blessing.

Speaking of October, we walked outside. I went for a walk today. So I've got to get up and get walking. And I'm like, how long have I been convalescing?

Because my front yard looks like October. I have a tree that's been dying for years. And it's a big silver maple. Great big silver maple.

And my neighbor several years ago about a dozen years ago came over and he said, hey, your leaves are turning yellow. I think your tree's dying. And I'm like, it is September. It's called fall.

They do that. But then fast-forward about five years. I thought, now maybe it's dying. But it's definitely not.

I walked outside today, middle of July. And my front yard looks like October. There are so many dead leaves. I was like, I'm going to do a double take.

I'm like, what month is it? How long have I been stuck in the house? So it feels like October at my house. I'm going to put up Halloween tomorrow.

No, you're not. No, you're not. Hey, it is Halloween season after the Fourth of July. Your tree is telling yourself.

Even the tree thinks so. The tree is like, it is October. I'm going to drop all my leaves. Anyway, residential's we haven't had any.

We've got one that's in the works, but the client, who already get old? And she's insisting that Castle come, which is fine, but his schedule and availability is really kind of wonky right now. So we're struggling to get this one. Well, and you've been down for the last few weeks too.

Yeah, but other people can take care, but I don't have to be there. I'd like to be there. Alright, our main topic today is if you get the newsletter, it says a mummification. If you read my agenda, it says mummification.

So how would they get the news letter? How would they get the newsletter? You get the newsletter by becoming a patron. Well, there you go.

And if you become a patron, you know what we're going to talk about. Usually. Most of the time it's about 95% accurate every once in a while. We have a little something happening.

Is it weird? Kind of a swirl tangent once in a while. Once in a while. But I'm pretty anal about stuff like that.

So it usually is on track. But at the top of my agenda is says mummification and mummie curses. And then if you look down when we actually get to the bullet point where we do it right now, it says mummie stuff. That's much more inclusive.

So I think mummie stuff is all you need to go with. Or stuff mummies. So we're talking about mummies stuff today. That runs it right out.

Don't know. We can talk about anything. All things mummie. You know, and it seems like every topic we do, you could just go into so much depth and you could do a whole series on it.

And it's just hard to know where to stop sometimes. I don't really know much about mummies except what I've seen in the movies all my life. But I know it's a particular interest of yours. In the Brandon Frazier documentaries, the mummie series?

Brandon Frazier. You have not seen those documentaries? You haven't seen those? Those were actually pretty good.

I don't see the mummie trilogy they did. Yeah, that's the documentary. The Brandon's French and the Frazier documentaries series on mummies. And I thoroughly enjoyed those.

And even the old Hollywood stuff, that's all I really know. And you study a little in school. You learn they took their organs out and put them in jars. I don't know how that's going to facilitate you rising on the other side.

Oh, we will talk about that. OK, so I'm looking forward to this. I'm going to learn a lot tonight myself. Well, so not too long ago.

About a year ago, we did a little series on Egypt because Chad and I were actually in Egypt. And we did some actual ghost hunting in Egypt. And that was cool. So we talked a little bit about it.

But we're just going to really get into mummies. You can go out on YouTube and see our little YouTube about our ghost hunting adventures in Egypt. There's a picture of Raven. When I was that.

You weren't fat. I dropped like 20 pounds since then. No, you weren't fat. So anyway, so go out to YouTube, take a look at that, make like and subscribe.

So we'd appreciate that. We've got a lot of videos out there. Take basically our podcasts and break them up into some smaller segments and make them available on YouTube. So when it comes to mummies, like Emmett said just a second ago, I have a morbid fascination with mummies.

I love everything Middle Eastern. That's what I'm majoring in in school, learning Arabic. So I'm going to kind of focus on Egyptian mummies. But there's other kind of mummies as well.

I know Chad earlier when he was doing his research, got into some in China. We know about the blog people up in Scandinavia area. There's the mummies that they found in Peru. I mean, there's all sorts of mummies.

So let's start with kind of what is a mummy. And everyone's like, we know what a mummy is. But we're going to kind of get into it a little bit. Is mummification only for aristocracy or could common people be mummified too?

So it was quite a process. And so it was kind of expensive. So in Egypt anyway, they pretty much lived to die. As soon as the Pharaoh came into power, he would start building his tomb.

And just their whole mentality was we need to get to heaven, which I think is most people's mentality now. But I mean, they literally would spend years building their tombs. They would fill their tombs with all this stuff. And their whole society at that time just really revolved around dying, which seems a little depressing, but it was important to them.

So that's what they did. Yeah. So not lesser people, people with maybe not as much income could get mummified, but it may not have been as good. You got the budget mummification?

Mm-hmm. The drive-through mummification. Yeah, it's very in the sand. Okay.

Which kind of segues into how we're going to start is the whole idea of mummification is the ancient Egyptians felt like the body was a vessel of the soul, right? And if you didn't have a body, your spirit would get lost and couldn't go to the after world. So preserving the body was very, very important. And they figured that the earliest mummies were probably accidental, which most stuff probably was.

Hey, look at that. It looks good. I'm going to need it. You...

An accidental mummy? Uh-huh. That's like, did somebody just forget grandma for like two months or something and out in the sand? Yeah.

Oh, hey, look at that. She's well preserved. So like most stuff, I figure, the earliest mummies were probably accidental, you know, because I think, you know, in early life, it didn't really come with the manual of how things work. You know, my kids and I always joke of, you know, who thought to squeeze a cow and drink what came out of it?

You know, like milk or... Anyway, so... But what we talked about a minute ago, they wanted to preserve the body. And so the way they would do that is to dry it out.

And so what they do is the first thing they do is they're going to take out the organs. They take out the brain and we've all heard this, right? They put the hook up your nose, swirl around your brain, pull it out. They had to be very careful because if they weren't, they would disfigure the face.

And I don't know if you ever looked at some of the mummies, you know, just on YouTube or something. Some of their faces looked terrible. And I don't know if that's just because they're 3000 freaking years old or if maybe someone wasn't very careful with the brain hook. That was the budget mummification?

Yeah, maybe if you don't have enough money, they just swirl around and they don't care at all. And then they would take and cut on the side of the abdomen on the left side and they would take out everything but the heart. And they would put, you know, like your intestines, your stomach, your liver, head it written down here somewhere, lungs. And they would put those in jars, like you were saying them, and they're called conopic jars and bury them with the body.

Right. And these usually have like heads, the top of the jar has like the heads of some of the gods like Horace and the animals and allion and different things. And again, it depends on your budget, you know, because we saw King Tut's conopic jars and they were ornate. And then, you know, if you get the budget mummification, it's probably just a clay jar.

I think it says mason on it. Probably. A little metal ring on the top. Tinfoil that you screwed on with the metal ring.

You couldn't afford a little metal top thing. And I don't know, they may have had some sort of inscription on it so that you knew that this was the liver. The interesting thing though is later in mummification that they would pull out these body parts and dry them and then put them back in, but that they would still put empty conopic jars. And it's like, is that just because it was tradition, they could not put those in?

Is it like it's just weird to not do this? Well, it's extra in, you know, for the funeral guys. You guys sell, it's like up selling the casket. Selling us the fancy stuff.

In the fancy store. So the process actually took about 70 days. And so after they, oh, the reason they would leave the heart and the body is because at the time they felt like that was the center of your soul, that that's what your conscience was and your intelligence was. We're now, we consider that to be the brain.

Yeah, the thing they just scrambled and pulled out with a hook. Yeah. Yeah. So then what they would do is they would treat the body with a salt called natural.

Yeah, I remember that right. Natural. They would cover the body with natural and then they would put packets of natural inside the body cavity where they remove the organs and then they would let you dry out. When you dried out, they would remove the packets from inside.

They would brush the salt off of you. I see meat prepared like this to cook and covered in salt. Yeah. I mean, salt's an excellent preservative.

Yeah, I think a jerky. I mean, and I don't mean this in a bad way or the curine of hams where in the past. Sorry, I mean, sir, human jerky. It's the same process.

You dry out the meat so that it sucks out most of the water and the flesh is preserved. Yeah. I mean, it's a common kind of process. I mean, like with ham and things like that, beef jerky coming across the plains and going way back in history, you know, a way to preserve the meats.

They'd slaughter the animals in the fall so they didn't have to feed them because they didn't have any feed for them. And they would salt them and preserve them that way. I mean, in a way, that's not a direct descendant of this, but the process is a similar kind of process of drawing out the liquids. And back in the day, salt was very expensive.

That's exactly what I was going to say. It would cost a fortune. Yeah. Salt the body completely.

And when you look at it, the root of the word salary is salt. That is what it came from. People would work and they would get their salary and that would be their allotment of salt for the work that they would be expressed and he's worth his salt. Are you worth your salt?

Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. So after they dried you out and got the salt off of you, they would start wrapping you with linen and then they would cover you with a resin and then wrap you in linen and cover you with resin.

And I assume too, depending on how many layers depended on how much you could afford. Sounds like they were making a pinata. Sometimes they would put, sometimes they would put a mask over your face and then they would do some prayers and some magical incantations and then you were money. And I think it's interesting.

So once they mummify you and you're thinking well, there's a lot of talk about their spirit and their soul. Egyptians believed, the ancient Egyptians believed that there's three kinds of spirits. And these three kinds are ka, ba and ach. Ka is the double of the person.

And this is kind of what we might call the ghost. And this spirit stays with the body and the tomb. And this spirit, the Ka is what the offerings that you put in with the mummy. The Ka uses those offerings.

The ba is more like the soul. It can come and go at will. And then the ach is more like the spirit that goes to the underworld and final judgment. It's the one that has to go through everything before this person can go to the afterlife.

And be weighed and be lighter than the feather? Yes. So I look at my religion and we believe in all these aspects. We just kind of think of it as one in the ancient Egyptian world.

All three were very important parts and very essential to how they thought the afterlife worked. So when you think of mummies, because we're not the history general, right? The verses. Yeah, the 1930 movies, the mummy, the Brendan for Asia documentaries, different things like that.

Because they had a lot of things with like the book of the dead, book of life, different things. And they were big into kind of resurrection and reanimation, those kinds of things. So a lot of people think that there's a lot of curses around Egyptian tombs. I mean, there are other things that say don't disturb this.

And if you've never been to any funeral, there's always a dedicatory prayer, if you're in my religion or some sort of a prayer and other religions that basically say, you know, don't desecrate this place. And even just cemeteries. I mean, there's ghost hunters. They're not allowed into most cemeteries.

And most people aren't supposed to be in cemeteries because they don't want headstones knocked over. They don't want... Yeah, they don't want, you know, stuff to happen because there's people laid to rest there. People that have lived lives and had dreams and hopes and struggles and they just need to be able to rest in peace.

And so I think the same thing with the Egyptians is pretty much this is a sacred place with, you know, deceased people trying to get to heaven, leave them alone. There's actually some, I don't want to say proof, but people think that the whole curse, feral curse thing came about with King Tut's tomb, which we will talk about in a minute. But there are actually some forgotten American fiction stories from the 1860s that kind of talk about mummy curses. This one that says, male adventurers, stripped female mummies, still their jewels, only to suffer horrible deaths or dreadful consequences for those around them.

And they say that these stories were written by women and they emphasize that the unwrapping of mummies is a metaphor for rape. And in turn, condemns the destructions and theft of Egypt's heritage and heyday, you know, back when they were, because that would be about the same time where they really started to get into the modern Egyptology. What's funny to think about is in ancient Egypt, because people have a hard time, fallelujah. I mean, I have a hard time fallelujah.

How old ancient Egyptians had ancient Egyptian archaeologists. Right, right. We are closer to the time of Cleopatra than Cleopatra was to the pyramids. Right.

But the point I'm trying to make is it was about this 1860s-ish time when the modern Egyptology and archaeology kind of was starting to get popular again. And I say again, because it's always been popular. Well, and tombrobing had always been popular. Oh yeah, tombrobing always has been popular.

That's one of the reasons why King Tut is so famous. I mean, one of his dad was Akhenaten. And there's a whole, we can just go into Egypt history right there. A brief scenario on that with Akhenaten, he was the one that moved from a many gods theology to a one god field.

Yeah, so like you said, Akhenaten was the one that changed from the multi-god to the one god and having many gods was so much part of their culture. They didn't like that. They didn't like that. He moved to the capital so they didn't like him.

And it was Tutankhamun or King Tut that then changed that back or started to change that back, right? I believe so, yes. Anyway, but just going back to the 1860s, people think that King Tut was the one that started these rumors. He's actually the one that made it popular just because of everything.

In the 1860s, it was actually some American novels and the premise behind these novels were men that would unclothe women's mummies and then steal their jewelry. And it was supposed to be kind of a metaphor of rape and how terrible rape is, which it is, I'm not saying it's not. But just the story to show that, because they wanted to be more anti-il because it's the 1860s was the idea of unwrapping mummies and then the mummies coming back to curse them. So this started way before King Tut.

The Tut Tomb curse became popular in the 1920s or 30s when the tomb was opened because it was there. There's a really cool picture of the knots that were tied on the door with the curse above it and everything else. But that became very, very well known in the 1920s, 1930s around. Yeah, and it was such a, I mean, they had not found, you know, grave robbing was so prolific, you know, way back even into the ancient times because everything was put into these tombs.

They hadn't found one. And to my knowledge, still haven't found one as pristine and just full of expensive stuff as they have King Tut. So that just adds more mystique to the whole money curse lore. Yeah.

And then in the 1930s, RKO did that whole series of movies with the Mummy and the Mummy Returns and all of those, which really also impacted the kind of popular culture at the time to go hand in hand with the gynecology stuff that was happening. And those were a lot of fun if you ever, you know, when I look at some of those old RKO 1930s cars. Now some people might not know what RKO is. It was an old studio.

Okay. RKO. Including me. Joseph Kennedy was a part of that.

And President Kennedy's father was part of RKO. I'm not sure what the initials exactly were for the KF League was for Kennedy. Oh, interesting. I didn't know that.

They were a very famous studio back in the 1920s. Yeah. I think I've seen like not a resume money, but it's been forever ago. I remember watching it on Nightmare movie theater that they would have on Channel 5 at 1030 or or 11 o'clock night when I was like 10 years old.

We'd stay up and watch the old 1930s, 1940s horror movies Frankenstein the Mummy Brain that wouldn't die. All sorts of really fun old black and white, spooky horror movies. We're all sitting there watching on the TV and the basement on blankets in the couch. So I remember watching Scoby Doo with Mummy and some Vadgrub and Mummy Keep Running and all the women would come off and all the rapping would come off.

And I got it. Wouldn't it got away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids? Exactly. Yeah.

Meddling kids. You meddling kids. Okay. Meddling kids.

Yeah. So there we go. Also, when it comes to Mummy Moore, there's another author that has written a book and I can't recall what the name of it is. But he wrote a book also about Mummy's curse.

And he might know the spell of his, he's a little bit popular, um, Rand Stoker. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He also wrote a little bitty about vampires and Dracula.

Yep. So the vampires, Mummy's. I have to see if he wrote anything about where we'll just kind of cover the whole spectrum. Yeah.

That's a good one. Yeah. It is rumored that when King Tut's tomb was found, they found an inscription near the door that said, death shall come on swift wings to him who disturbs the peace of the king. And is this just to hate this as hell of a ground that we've alone or is it a curse?

I mean, that's, you know, that's a... That sounds like curse to me. It does to me too. And as we've talked in other podcasts, the curses are absolutely beautiful.

You know, a lot of people like to poo poo. I think, I think they're real. So let's talk about the people that opened King Tut's tomb. We'll chat about them a little bit.

Oddly enough, Howard Carter who actually discovered the tomb died at an old age of... I thought I had it written down, like lymphoma or something. And they don't attribute him to having died. But these are some other people that opened the tomb with him.

So one of the first people that they kind of attribute to succumbing to this curse is George Herbert. He's the fifth Earl of Karn... Arvon. I don't know what that was for, to say.

Karnavon. So he's recently tore open a mosquito bite when he was shaving. And it, in fact, it only got blood poisoning. This was just a few months afterwards.

Not very long. And this is kind of what started the mommy's curse. When you say afterwards after the opening of the tomb. After the opening of the tomb.

Yeah. And it says legend has it that when Lord Carnobon died, all the lights in his house... And some people say all the lights in Cairo, but it says all the lights in his house mysteriously went out. That's interesting.

That would be really weird if all the lights in Cairo went out too. Yep. But that is part of the legend, right? Yes.

Some people say that. So there's a fellow named George J. Gooled. He was a wealthy American financier.

He was also like a railroad executive. Because back then, railroads were huge conglomerates. He visited the tomb in 1923 and fell sick almost immediately afterwards. They say he never recovered and died in pneumonia a few months later.

Aubrey Herbert is actually Lord Carnobon's brother, a half brother. They say that he suffered from King Tut's curse simply being related to his half brother. There was a man named Sir Artrewald Douglas Reed. And this gentleman kind of proved that this curse could hit you even if you weren't at the excavation site.

He was a radiologist and he merely x-rated, not x-rated. X-rated. He was x-rated. X-rated, he was x-rated.

X-rated, tut, before the mummy was given to museum authorities. He actually got sick the next day and was dead three days later. Wow. Another fellow that went in, Sir Bruce Longham, he was given a mummified hand by Carter and his house burned down.

And then when he tried to rebuild his house, it was hit with a flood. So he didn't die, but he had stuff happening. There was a man named Hugh Evelin White and he helped excavate the site. He died by suicide, allegedly writing in his own blood, mind you.

I have succumbed to a curse which forces me to disappear. The fact that he said it was a curse makes you wonder, you know, what was going through his mind as he did this to himself. Aaron Ember, he was an American Egypt-tollist, Egyptologist who was present, died in 1926 when his house burned down. The interesting thing is he could have survived the fire, but his wife suggested he go save his manuscript because he'd been working on this book and wanted to get it published.

So he ran back into the house to get this manuscript. You want to know what the manuscript was called? The Egyptian book of the dead. Wow.

So we've got two fires. Okay, that doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. Another person present was named Richard Bethel. He was Lord Carnewon's secretary.

He was the second person to enter the tomb. He was right behind Howard Carter. He was found smothered. Now, they think that he was actually smothered by Alistair Crowley, and we've done a podcast on Alistair Crowley.

He was a creepy guy. He was. But he also had house fires. And his house was a place where they had stored a lot of the things that they had taken out of King Tut's tomb for a while before they were able to, you know, get them off to museums and such.

And then the last person that I was able to find some information on was James Henry Brested. He was an Egyptologist, a member of Carter's team, and he was killed by a cobra that has killed his bird, he had a canary. And the cobra just stayed in the cage. After killing the canary?

After killing the canary, I thought, hey, this is a pretty nice little setup here. I think I'll stay. And then James Brested decided to meet in and feed his canary and boom. You couldn't tell the difference between a cobra and a canary, huh?

I just read what I find on the internet. That is a curse. Let's see who else is there. I think that is it.

That's enough. That's enough. That's a pretty good grouping. And it's just, I don't know.

Some of it could be kind of hyped, but to me, I've probably said this 100 times in this podcast, but it just doesn't seem like coincidence to me. And as we've talked about before, curses are absolutely real. It's the intention put behind it. So, yeah, it's kind of spooky.

There seems to be a lot of death, obviously there. A lot of house fires. You know, some say a lot of people have gone in and said, oh, you know, it's not a curse. They've opened up this area that's been closed up for 3,000 years.

There's a lot of bacteria. But there's also a lot of people say that bacteria can't live that long. That doesn't usually start fires. Exactly.

So, you know, we're just going to leave it up to you. If you want to believe it's bacteria, you can. If you want to believe it's a curse, you can. I'm kind of leaning towards curse.

Disgust things are lining up kind of funky. So you're ready for some other mummies besides King Tut? Yeah, let's hear the list. So, you know that they think that a mummy curse, the Titanic, right?

No. You've never heard this before? No. Obviously not as fascinated with mummies as I am.

Or the Titanic, because you're fascinated with both. I can am. But if I had to pick one over the other, I'd pick one. A lot of people believe that the mummy of a priestess in the British Museum actually caused the sinking.

The curator of the British Museum, whose name was Ernest Wallace Budge, he received so many public inquiries regarding the alleged curse mummy that he was obliged to write a letter debunking the rumors to the public. You know, to the public, you know, say, no, that's not what happened. Despite this, people sent money for the museum to purchase flowers to lay at the feet of the dead priestess to play Kate Herr Sol and the tale of the mummy that's taken Titanic continues to circulate around today. So, I don't know if there was actually a mummy on the Titanic, but the story is that there was and she was pissed and that's what caused it to sink.

Interesting. So, the next one, in 1971, there was an excavation at Sakara and we have been there. Yeah, that's the center of it. That's one of the places where we did some investigating.

There was an Egyptologist by the name of Walter Brian Emory and he found a small statue of Osiris, which is the Egyptian god of death. And at the end of the day, he has assistant returned to the big site, like an office in a village that was close by. And he took the statue of Osiris with him. And once he got in the house, he went to Bathum to Shower.

And after a few minutes, his assistant just heard him kind of screaming. And so the assistant ran to him, found him clutching the sink space and he was clearly experiencing some sort of, you know, physical trauma or distress. The assistant said that he stood there as if paralyzed. He says, I grabbed him by the shoulders and dragged him out onto the couch, then I ran for telephone.

And that night, he was diagnosed with paralysis at the right side of his body and was unable to speak and he died the next day. Weird. Wow. So the next one is in 2004.

It's a man that was visiting Egypt, apparently Stole relic from the Valley of the Kings. And this is the same place where King Tut was buried. When he returned home to Germany, he was overcome by a fever, which progressed to paralysis. We just read about paralysis and the man died shortly there.

So those two seem very much the same. And when was the last one? 1971 and 2004 and we both have paralysis. And you never take an artifact like that from a site.

You're begging for trouble. Exactly. We have graveyards and things like that. I mean, people will leave little tokens on graves and other people think they're cool and take them and usually not great outcomes.

Yeah, we had a residential couple of years ago where they just took a cool looking rock from Indian land, you know, from Indian like a reservation and it had an attachment to it. I don't know if the rock had an attachment to it, but I mean, it did once they took it off the land because I think there was a protector spirit that was like, oh, no, you know, we had to make kind of a deal because they had gone like, they went down an Arizona or somewhere far where they could just trot back and put it away. So we had to kind of come to a deal with this Native American spirit and just return the rock up to the mountains here locally. So yeah, don't take stuff from places like this.

Right. Oh, so anyway, going back to the spell of Germany, his steps on was convinced that the artifact was cursed as do I. And he returned the relic to Egypt Supreme Council of Antiquities, hoping that his father soul could rest in peace. So we just talked about King Tut and his tomb and people that opened it having all these horrible things happen.

In 1972, it struck again. It's not a one time deal. So some of the artifacts from King Tut's tomb were sent to the British Museum to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Howard Carter discovering the tomb. And the director of antiquities at the Museum of Cairo at the time, his name was Dr.

Gammel Marais. He died the night after he handled the artifacts that were to be sent to England. Again, too weird to be a coincidence. First, it didn't stop there though.

Many of the airmen who were aboard the aircraft that was carrying the artifacts to England to fill the victim as well. Three of the men on the aircraft suffered heart attacks after coming into contact with the artifacts. One of the men had a heart attack at the same time every year, the same day he flew aboard the plane of King Tut's relics until one of the attacks killed him. That's a weird one.

That is weird. Like how many heart attacks did he have? And it doesn't say how many, but he had a heart attack at the same time every year, the same day. So it had to be at least a couple of or three years.

I mean, at least. Yeah, it had to be at least two because they're same plural. And that's just weird. Why would you have it on the same day?

That is weird. To me, that's a curse. Okay, so here's another one. This is in 1699, mind you.

So there was an author. His name was Louis Pincher. He wrote a mummies curse in a book titled, It's in French. I will read you the English version of it so that French people don't get appalled by my pronunciation.

A treaty is unembulming. And in this he tells a story of a Polish man who purchased two mummies from Alexandria, you know, with the idea of studying them for medical purposes. And as he was sailing home across the Mediterranean, he was haunted by two ghosts who suddenly appeared on the boat. And the man put it together really quickly.

And so he threw the mummies overboard and his visions stopped as soon as the bodies went into the sea. That's like, we don't mind being very, we just want to be left alone. Where do you go to buy mummies in that year? Alexandria, apparently.

They were like wood. They were burning. They were burning them. There were so many mummies and so many necropolises.

They're being done that they were like going out and buying cords and literally. There was literally no respect. Yeah, for thousands, I mean, think of the thousands of years that mummification has been going on and how many people were alive and mummified during those times. And if you're not in these huge, like the Valley of the Kings, you know, where the royalty is and those kinds of things, but the common people were mummified.

So some of the other mummies, not Egyptian, they're really fascinating. There's, as we talked about, there's in Peru and the Andes, some of the shell sacrifice mummies and some of those are amazing on how well they were preserved incredibly well. Yeah, so high up, so dry and so cold. I mean, kind of refrigeration, dehydration and isolation on them.

So very, very interesting ones go out and do some of the YouTube videos. They're fascinating. One that I found really interesting were Chinese mummies. And there's actually two different groups of Chinese mummies.

One of the groups we found in Western China are actually of possibly like Iranian and, you know, they're white, they're Northern European Persian. Didn't they have red hair? Red hair, blonde hair, very European, Northern European looking. And I have to tell you, one of these mummies I saw was so pretty.

I mean, you know, they did that whole facial reconstruction, but she was so pretty that even as a mummy, she was giving me like self esteem issues. Like, like, like, like, she's been dead for how many thousands of years? Like 3,000 years. And I'm thinking, well, dang, I'm doing that good.

Yeah, you can see her eyelashes. Yeah, I was gonna say she had eyelashes and her hair was long and beautiful. The only thing that kind of put me off though is they're showing her, they're showing her, they're showing her and they're like, dang, she's pretty. And you know, like recreation.

And then they should have just ended there. And you would have been happy. And I would have been fine. But then they had to say, yeah, her hair was infested with lice.

I'm like, okay, I'm out. You gotta think back. This was 3,000 years ago. I realized that.

And that's actually one of the ways that they kind of track how clothing progressed is, is by the lice that they found in the clothing. So I get it to the thing. But I have a lice phobia. Really?

Quick little thing. Okay, I have seven children. I have put seven children through the public school system. And I have been fortunate enough that I've only had to deal with head lice once.

And it was my youngest child. And I learned that I have a major head lice phobia. Didn't I? Yeah, you did.

It was bad. It was pretty mellatin' around here for a while. There's actually a name for it. I don't remember what it is.

But I have it. Head lice and I. No. No.

Dead mummies, gooey, dying, dried out, you know, Raven's fine with all that. They say lice and she like freaks out. No, I took an archaeology class last semester where we discussed, like I just mentioned, the evolution of clothing and the way they could tell the evolution of clothing was how head lice moved to body lice. Anyway, the very first article I had to read was about body lice on like seriously.

I'm not going to do well in this class. I had itched and I couldn't sleep for a week. Anyway, but she was beautiful and her hair was crazy long. Yeah, and there are lots of these mummies.

And they're not the wrapped up Egyptian types of mummies. They're in their original clothing. Yeah, they're more like the Andes. Yeah, they dehydrated, you know, if they were out in the sands and things.

And they weren't purposely mummified. Like mummies that they were buried and mummification, they dried out. They didn't actually happen. And then there's also like the bog people.

You could have been in the Scandinavian areas and parts of Britain. In the Northern Europe Scandinavian area. And those are topics we can do whole other podcasts. Yeah, and with them, it was like a tannic acid or an acid that helped preserve them in the bogs, kept the microbes and things from working on them.

The thing for me about mummies is you're looking at this mummy. And it's a mummy. You know, that's got the leathery skin. And that's not the indjudgmental.

I mean, they're dried out. I would look just as leathery if I was dried out. But it's just fascinating to me because you look at that mummy. It's like, this was a walking, living, breathing, human being, X thousands of years ago that cried and laughed and had dreams and liked this food and didn't like that food.

And I don't know, it's just kind of surreal for me. You know, then the other one, and there's some very interesting Chinese mummies. You know, there was the Great Emperor where they've had the terracotta army and all of that. And that tomb, and that was found relatively recently and was quite intact and lots and lots of stuff there.

Very interesting, the whole oriental mummies. There is one that they say is the best preserved mummy. And she is, as far as flesh goes for a mummy that's as old as she is, is pretty good. Okay, I will be there.

But she's not. The problem is is they showed her face after they showed their pretty lady's face. And this one, they did do a facial recreation. She was pretty, too.

But her mummy looked like she had a really hard couple of thousand years. Yep. But as far as the way that her organs are and the flesh, how well it's preserved and everything else, she's amazingly well preserved. There's a mummy goes.

But you look at the picture and the western Chinese European mummy look a whole lot better than the well preserved, more eastern. Right. It took me a minute when I said this is the best preserved. And then I realized, oh, okay, we're talking about her face.

When they did the facial recreation, she was quite pretty, but her mummy face had a hard few thousand years. Yeah. I was asking one more thing about mummies. Oh, and just before we kind of end on this topic, one thing just going back to the Egyptian mummies is a lot of people think, oh, we found King Tutnaments.

We found them all. We have not found them all. We just watched a, so we were in Sakara just a little over a year ago. Sakara, Egypt, which is the site of the oldest at Pyramid known in the world.

And just a few months after we were there, within walking distance of where we were at the Pyramid, they said a kilometer or two? They found a whole family. Mom, dad, three kids. It's a whole necropolis area, but this one tomb, it's like a family, like you see, a seven or eight.

Yeah. And then they had a bunch of mummified animals. Mummified animals. They had a mummified wildcat, I think, which is one of the first.