Nate Hagens (Great Simplification) and Sarah Wilson (Wild) on collapse.

Sarah Wilson and Nate Hagens are both much liked podcasters in the degrowth movement here in OZ and probably also in other countries. There is much they say that anyone in degrowth would agree with.  But there are certain ideas in this interview podcast that I have some qualms about. I am making four podcasts on an interview on Wild with Nate Hagens. This one is on the idea that it is human nature to use complexity to solve problems. Doing this we use energy and end up with a collapse. Like the one we are facing now.