Native American Spirits

In the dead of night, as people sleep, that is when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three dark things take power, we like to call it the supernatural hour. Hey, welcome to the supernatural hour. This is your host Raven.

I'm Rogue. This is Doc. This is Chad. I'm Emmett.

And we have Doc back with us in studio today. It's been forever. Back from the dead. I think you're like a busy doctor or something.

Oh my gosh, it's been a couple of months probably. I think last time I podcasted was at the end of November. It's been a hot minute. Yeah, it's been a while.

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So for the business, we have a new investigation that was just put up. It is we're going back. It's becoming springtime and we're going back to Petitme. We'll be there on November.

We'll be there on springtime. March 19th. We do spring different. November spring like in Australia.

Hey, we beat to our own drum on the podcast. So we're pretty excited about that. We had a lot of people that were requesting us to come back sooner than later. And we're really excited about going back to the next.

Yeah, we usually don't revisit it then you this quickly. But we had so many people that first time say we couldn't come. We actually sold out and beyond on the tickets with people walking in. And when people walk in, you tell them, no, sorry, you drove down here.

And I've never been there, but you guys were telling me that it's a really active site too. Very active. So we're super excited to be going back. We've even had some residential.

We're going to talk about a little bit that we're a result of our Petitme visit. Some people forgot to say the prayers. So we'll probably talk about that a little bit on this podcast tonight too. I think that's it for the business that we've got going right now.

But tickets are available out there and we're excited about it. It's going to be a real fun investigation. What were the days again? March 19th, Saturday.

Yeah, we went on a Friday night the last time and there were some people because of work schedules and things. You know, said, oh, we couldn't go because we had to work and it's like, we'll do it another night. Yeah, we'll do it Saturday this time. So we've got it Saturday.

So we're really excited about it. All right. Well, I think that takes us into residential and I'm going to have to jump in with you all because I didn't go. So why don't you tell me about the residential?

Yeah, we have had residential in South Utah County, which is super far away from Rogue. And it's hard for her to get to work the next morning, which has got to be driving halfway across the state. So we will try to get some a little further north for you. This one was in Oak Ridge.

It was about a half mile from Doc's house. We actually, but I still wasn't there. I know, it's a birthday party shame on you for, you know, having a life. It was my father in law.

So this was actually a different one of my cousins. She came to Petitny in their defense. We've been to two of my cousins homes now. They did say their prayers after Petitny.

But this was something that followed her husband home from his job. He works in a dialysis unit. He runs is a nurse technician. I'm not sure the exact words for in a dialysis center.

And so this one actually followed him home from work. So this one wasn't a Petitny one. Other cousin was. But what they were saying was happening, they have two small children in the home.

And both of the children were claiming to see monsters and not wanting to stay alone in the room. And it just kind of concerned them because it wasn't just, I know when you're thinking, they're little kids. You know, they all little kids see monsters. And if you're listening to this and you're saying, well, my toddler sees monsters, it doesn't necessarily mean it to ghost.

Sometimes kids just see things. Kids have amazing imaginations. But she was just a little concerned that this was something a little different. So because it kind of came on suddenly, you know, it wasn't something that slowly progressed.

She said it's just as weird. So, you know, can you come over? So we went over. And she actually had two spirits in her home.

One was an Native American, which makes sense where they are. They're kind of upon a hill. And it's not too much further up from where they are. There's an area.

And I don't know that it's documented, but it's been told to them by many different people. There's a bench that has not a mountain, a Spanish, not a sit-on bench that does not have any development on it because it's an Indian burial ground. And it's just been left alone. It's like, I've never heard of it.

Or have you heard of it? I've not, but I've seen the movie poltergeist. So I know that's about it. The documentary poltergeist.

Yeah, the documentary where they built all those houses on an Indian burial ground. Yeah, I'll tell you where it's at later so you can go scout it out. So, you know, so because of that, it doesn't surprise me that they have an Native American spirit. And he was actually pretty chill.

He was. I've not run into an Native American spirit that's really been... A belligerent or angrier. Right, they've all just been pretty chill.

I mean, sometimes they might be a little anxious because of some things that are going on. But he was... Was he from historical times? You know, we didn't ask that because we were more focused on the other spirit that was there.

Okay. But he did say we asked him if he was a protector of the people in the house and he said no, he was just there watching the land. So I think I just kind of assumed that he was a little older than the newer. So there was a type two, which is kind of the belligerenty, more belligerent kind of a spirit male in the home.

And he was purposely scaring the kids. The kids could see him. And because of that, he was making faces and kind of being a jerk and being aware of the being, where they could see him, especially at night. And the interesting thing, we had a laser grid up.

We were just in one of the children's rooms. Just had a laser grid up. And you know, waiting to see if we could see any movement in it. And we didn't see movement in the grid that was projecting up onto the wall.

But we did see... It was like the base of that kept flickering. And I thought maybe I was just seeing things and I asked a couple of times. Did you guys see that flicker?

And we had Kristi and Heather with us and they both said, yeah, I'm seeing that flicker and then we'd stare at it because I thought maybe the battery is going to do something but it wouldn't hold real steady. But it flicker probably. I bet you it doesn't times. But at the base, like if you looked at it not when you looked out at the projection, but when you looked at the actual laser grid.

And hers isn't... All the laser grids I've seen except hers have been like that. Pin light. Hers is more of a square.

It's almost the size of a ghost meter pro. But more brick-like and less like a pen. I bet a little bit of laser in the distance. Surprise, surprise.

So I'm good with mine. So we had that and then their youngest child was asleep in the other room. And so they were kind of watching the baby monitor. And about the time we were talking to the spirit, there was a...

And I didn't look at it, but my cousin said there was a huge ball. And she said it's not dust. She said, and I guess this huge ball kind of came out of the crib and just straight across to where we were. And she said, you know, she says I've seen a lot of orbs.

I'm using my air quotes, because she knows that a lot of times orbs are dust and bugs. And she says I've seen a lot of orbs on there. And she's not claiming that they're spirits, but she said this was different. She says this was huge.

And she says the way it moved was just a little bit suspicious. So I didn't see it. I can't say that it was or wasn't, but it was something very unusual in the baby monitor that we found. I didn't really get anything in pictures.

I didn't really get anything in EDPs. And we sent it packing. So... Good.

And we do have another residential again in South Utah County. Sorry, Roke. It's in Santa Quinn. So we will tell you all about that at our next podcast.

That's like super South Utah County. And that's almost you have County. See, it's almost in the walk. North Jewab.

Geez, we're getting there. Soon we'll have investigations in St. George and Mesquite, Nevada. You know, they seem to cluster, though.

You know, very rarely have I had investigations that you bounced back and forth. We seem to get little cluster bursts. So right now at South Utah County. Yeah, for a while it was a lot of salt lake and...

I was like, West Jordan and then it was North Utah County and then Salt Lake City and... I don't know what it's all about, but got little clusters going on. Alright, our main topic is brought to you today by Otayo's. Fabulous food.

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So you should give it a try at some London. Tonight we're going to talk to you about an extremely broad topic. We realize it's a broad topic. We realize it could go in a million different directions and we kind of like that in a way, because we give you a brief overview.

And then you will hear us talk about it a little more in depth in subsequent podcasts here and there. But we're going to talk about Native American spirits tonight. And we've got a lot of reasons for picking this topic. For those of you that don't know, we podcast in Utah and are in at least a heart of Indian territory.

We've got Euts, Pai Euts, Navajo, probably the other ones that I'm told you today. She's shown the Indians. There's quite a few in this area. I've had the privilege of attending school with a number of people from the Navajo and Eutripe.

In residential, we've run across just like we talked about. We actually run across a lot of Native American spirits. Most of them are there protecting either the family or watching over the land. We had one case a couple of years ago in Orem where some people had just picked up a rock, but the spirit was not necessarily attached to the rock, but had seen them take the rock and it was on his land and he wasn't very happy about that.

He was causing them not trouble, but letting them know that he was not happy, that they had disturbed what he had been watching over. And so they just kind of, in the course of that investigation, made a pact to just return the rock back to nature where it should be and then have a hurt and then sense. So we're going to call that good. Like I mentioned before, every time I've run across a Native American spirit, they've just felt very confident, very powerful, serene, calm.

I actually like running across Native American spirits because I know no matter what else it's going to go on in the house, it's going to be okay. They're actually one of my favorite spirits to run across. Usually not very chatty. But I'm strong out there, I actually like them.

I don't know, maybe I'm lucky, but that's been my experience with Native American spirits. We've also dealt with the skinwalker and family tree, and I know that skinwalkers have a, I've heard people say the skinwalkers are usually negative entity. Yeah, usually negative, but I haven't had that experience, at least not with the one that we've dealt with. I don't know if he was just because we were comparing him to Lucy and he was at odds with her.

Yeah, but he always to me was very protective. I mean Chad and I went there one time just to eat. We weren't even ghost hunting. We just felt the need for a stone.

And so we went to family tree and as soon as we walked in I could feel Lucy's hackles raised and I could feel the skinwalker come over and he stood by our table the whole time we were there because he knew who we were and. Because we've been a family tree a number of times. Yeah, this wasn't the first time we've been there and he literally. He was waiting for a tip.

Alright, no, but just the feel I could get was her saying, oh they're here, what are they going to do? And she wasn't in a mood to be trifled with that night. And he just stood by us the whole time. And we ate and just saying, oh, they're just here to eat, leave them alone.

And so as we were done and got up to go pay, he went back into the back where he kind of hung out. So, yep. So also, Petini, you know, we went there in October. We're going there again this March, not November.

And we might go in November too. Just forecasting. We're not going in November. So Petini at school is actually named after Chief Petini.

And I know he took peaches there one time, a couple of years ago and just drove her past Petini. We weren't investigating at the time and she said, oh, we can't. There's a lot of Native American spirits there. So it's these kind of spirits are spirits that we deal with a lot, not only just the Native American spirits themselves, but just the whole war.

And when it comes to Native Americans and spirits and afterlife, they've got a very rich culture of that. Yep. The Petini School of Museums on a prominent hill in Basan. And if you're watching on YouTube, I'll have a picture of it that we're doing.

So, Emmett, you have something for us? Yes, as a matter of fact, not that it's a really narrow subject, but I was struck that, you know, out of the dozens and dozens of Native nations. You keep hearing the same myths on spirits over and over, and especially I was looking up sky spirits and nature spirits, like specific to astronomy and natural cycles. And when I hear or read about over and over is about the sky woman, this mother goddess.

And the story varies a little bit, but it's usually about a human woman who ventures to the sky and marries the morning star. And sometimes their offspring is a hero, but it just repeats itself over and over again in the various cultures. One thing I noticed too is it kind of struck me as weird, but North American Native myths and spirit legends are completely different from South American. And the whole structure and the belief system is just wildly different, but that's another topic entirely.

But you see a lot of spirits associated with the planets, Jupiter, Venus. They have their nature spirits, sun spirits, star spirits, the morning star, star boy, who's associated with the planet Jupiter. He travels across the night sky, much like his father, the morning star. Moon spirits, interestingly, about half of the moon spirits are female and half appear to be male, so there's a little variation there.

I was surprised to see that there's an eclipse spirit. And the eclipse of the sun is invariably explained as the trickster spirit has trapped the sun and the sun is freed by the mouse spirit. The most humble spirit of all frees the sun, so that's interesting. That mythos is pretty much across most of the nations.

There are spirits associated with the aurora and the rainbow. There are night spirits which are very distinct from day spirits as in the daylight and the darkness. Moon spirits which are seasonal and associated with day and night and separation of activities and cause and effect. And of course spirit guides which have that astronomical association too.

So, I mean, we could talk on this forever. And the one thing I think is interesting is as you're talking about this, I keep thinking of, oh, this is very similar to the Greek and Roman gods, but they don't refer to them as gods, they refer to them as spirits. Right, right. And there's always some connection directly with earth.

If you got a minute, several, a personal experience I had several years ago, my wife and I were down in near Moab Castledale area visiting relatives and we went out to an area called the Buckhorn Draw. And that's an area right below the wedge overlook. It's sometimes called the little Grand Canyon, but down in the bottom of it, the Buckhorn Draw, there are Native American cliff paintings and they're very well preserved. You can go right up to them.

And as we're standing in there, I was getting really strong feeling. I could feel like a thousand eyes all over that canyon staring down at me. And the feeling I got was that I did not belong there and was not welcome at all. And so I just, I apologize and said I would get out as soon as I could gather my friends and go.

And I seemed to send satisfaction with that. So that's my only personal experience with Native American spirits, but it was strong and it was palpable. That is one thing I've noticed when I run into the Native American spirits. They're very strong in a good way.

I didn't feel threatened, but I was told that I really didn't belong there and I wasn't welcome. As soon as I told them that I would leave and I understood, they seem satisfied. To make us the best way to describe it is they just have a confidence that is palpable. Yeah.

I also think, you know, sharing intimate aspects of their culture is difficult with people who are outside of the culture because when you don't have the same, when you're not raised the same way, I think you're understanding is sometimes different. It's hard to share the other. There's a disconnect. Yeah, there's just a, you know, to try to understand the lower the culture, the myth, the symbolism behind a lot of this stuff, I think it's lost on people who aren't raised in it, for sure.

Right. So, it's kind of like when we talked about the skinwalker a little bit earlier and, you know, to try to ask a native Navajo about skinwalkers, they're not very excited to try to explain this plane or go in any detail about what a skinwalker is, what, you know, how a skinwalker becomes a skinwalker, et cetera. And I am by no means an expert on any of this, but it is my understanding that, you know, the Navajo people are still very connected to traditional like full medicine. They have medicine then, but they will go in consult because those people are trained in understanding good and evil magical practices.

One of the things that's interesting is in order to practice good magical practices, you have to understand the evil practices as well because you have to know if there's evil forces that are impacting people and how to cleanse them. And my understanding is people who become skinwalkers are essentially holding to the same kind of world, right, this magical world and embracing the dark practices and embrace the evil and they start corrupting these things that are supposed to be used for purification to corrupt and cause harm. And they're basically witches, I guess you could say, you know, they, the idea of the medicine man in the witch doctor. Right.

They embody the negative aspects of the magic and, you know, the thing that everybody knows them for is their capacity to disguise themselves, right? They can take on animal forms a lot of times. It's animals like coyotes that are kind of cunning, also have different birds and those kinds of things. Well, yeah, wolves.

Exactly. Why do they have heard of skinwalkers are just the worst of the worst? Right. Absolutely.

Well, it's because they're intentionally seeking out, you know, dark magic, evil magic and doing it with the intent to cause harm. Yeah. So I watched and listened to, talked about in order to kind of move to that skinwalker, I don't know, rank position, whatever, you had to kill someone that was near and dear to you. Right.

You know, that's very dark. That's, you know, you're moving to the point of your desire more important than even your love went through that. Exactly. There's a darce of aid or the Native American.

And to get my Harry Potter thing in there, it's your Voldemort. He had to kill unicorn and they were like super pure. So wrapping up kind of skinwalkers, especially where I kind of mentioned that to you that the initiation kind of dark initiation, but generally not positively perceived. We can say that.

And so when you mentioned earlier that, you know, there's a somewhat positive experience with a skinwalker entity. I found that fascinating, very intriguing. Right. And I would be interested to hear from other people that have encountered him at family tree and get their take, but I've never had anything but positive from him.

So. Interesting. Yeah. Some of the other entities or spirits that I came across, one was a dear one in which I thought was a very interesting one because does she have a bridge in Texas?

No, she doesn't. Not that I know. At least they didn't say that. Okay.

We're good. But the dear woman, but she does have stag horns. Okay. That's cool.

Okay. So, and the depictions I saw were of an attractive Native American woman with with stag horns and an upper torso of a woman and then more like deer legs. It's interesting that a woman would have stag horns just because those tend to represent male virility. If you look back symbolically, right?

Interesting. The dear woman, it's kind of interesting because one of the things that she does is almost like the mermaid, fluring men away. Okay. But only the philandering men, the men that are out not treating their women right, not doing the right things.

If she pulls one away or one happens to see her and they're not ill intent, she doesn't harm them. She won't hurt them. So she's like the Dexter of the Indian world. But if they're philandering and are out looking for a good time, let's say, yeah, she'll stomp them to death with her huffs and a snack and her horns.

So very interesting. And I hope I haven't misrepresented this for Native Americans, but this is kind of the thing that I've got. I'm sure there's a lot more nuance to it than just that. But someone that is not necessarily evil, but isn't necessarily someone you want to run across either.

Well, it sounds like if you're doing what you're supposed to, you shouldn't worry about it. Right. Right. You could possibly run across her, but it wouldn't be a problem for you.

But with that backstory, I could definitely see why those staghorns would symbolize sexual prowess, you know, being that's the thing that these men are off doing their things. If you can lure them in, there's that attraction in there. I can see why from a symbolic standpoint, they would use the staghorn. The staghorn?

Yeah. That was a real interesting. And the staghorns also came into play a lot on some of the things I saw with the skinwalkers, that they were shown, sometimes they're represented with a stagh skull. You know, mostly most of the flesh is off of it, but you've got the horns and then they'll be represented with sometimes a chest where you can see the ribs and different things.

But, you know, humanish, but with animal features for the skinwalkers. That's like a variation on the Christian mythos of the standard death figure almost, you know. Yeah. Very much.

The greeper? Yeah, same impression. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, kind of something very much like that.

It generally represents the dark side of things, right? Yeah. And another one that was quite interesting is the wind-a-go. I don't know if any of you ran across that in your research, but they talk about the wind -a-go.

A lot of this is happening up in the Great Lakes area where the wind-a-go's are a legend, a mythos for those people. And that one was represented as the things I saw almost vampiric-like, transparent skin, more humanoid, but very almost like vampire, you know, longer fingers. Did they start as a human that the chose that path or are they? I think so.

Yeah. I think so. I'm not positive on that. I think it's a very interesting entity that you don't want to cross and come into contact with.

But the wind-a-go, you hear about them, and that's another one of those spirits. And then there were some very interesting spirits. The white buffalo woman. And that was a very positive spirit.

They talked about how she came and brought the buffalo to the people when they were in time of hardship. And it's a one-to-one relationship that the natives and the buffalo are one. There's a connection. There's a connection.

Right. And one of the comments was, you know, we use all of the buffalo, you know, that the native Americans used all of the buffalo, but they didn't use all of the buffaloes. You know, it's very different that you- If they killed one, they used the entire thing. You used everything.

They didn't kill all the buffaloes. Right. That was the white man. Is buffaloes?

Is that a word that you'd plural? Or is it just buffalo? Buffaloes sounds weird. I usually just say buffalo, but I bet buffalo is probably fine.

I don't know. I'm trying to- It hurt. It hurt a buffalo. It's- A lot of buffalo.

How's that? I don't know what's it? I heard. A lot.

But it's really interesting with some of the myths about the buffalo and the white buffalo woman and how she came and brought that to save the people and how tight- how tightly wound that the Plains Indians were with the buffalo, that it was their livelihood. And, you know, their- their very existence depends on the buffalo. Yeah. And why people killed the buffalo.

I was looking up a little bit about the Wendigo because we were talking about how described as a malevolent spirit that can possess human beings. It's known to invoke feelings of insatiable greed and hunger, the desire to cannibalize other humans, as well as the propensity to commit murder in those that fall under its influence. So some pretty dark stuff. And in modern psychiatry, there's a term called Wendigo psychosis, which is characterized by symptoms such as an intense craving for a human flesh.

And an intense fear of becoming a cannibal. So, Wendigo- I like it. I don't run into that every day. Geez.

Can't say I'd ever thrown that on the old diagnosis list. What's the code for that? Exactly. And the doctor that knows all these psychotic codes.

Obviously, this is my old ajo-ho. This is Wendigo psychosis. Like, supernatural hour podcast, guys. Come on.

Hey, so Rogue, what have you got for us? So I looked into the animal totem spirits that coincide with our astrological science. So I'm kind of on the same lines as Emmet. Some of the animals I was a little intrigued by, you wouldn't kind of think would be, I guess, your typical spirit animal because I'm listening to you talk about like buffalo.

I was quickly going through the search and there is not a buffalo. However, number one for January, let's just start there. It's an otter. So, not close, but right.

Otters are cute. February is the wolf. March is a falcon. April is a beaver.

May is a deer. So, that's me. Oh, wait a minute. Yes, we're kidding.

June. June is the woodpecker. There you go. That's you.

That's me. I like the deer better. The pecker just kind of annoying. Maybe at pitch.

July. That's a July is a salmon. August is the bear. October, which that would be couple of us is the raven.

Sorry. Which one is which one is Raven October? October. So Libra is the raven.

I was born one month. October is the snake. So October to November and then November is the owl and December is goose. So, not all of their animals are extreme.

Owl isn't bad. It's a little meaner than a woodpecker. I'll take it. I'm an owl.

My spirit animal is an owl, actually. But apparently my Indians, my Native Americans spirit animals, a woodpecker. I'm not even the raven. I'm just glad I'm not a salmon.

You know? I don't know. They have to swim. They have to swim like against the current.

Yeah. And then you spawn once and die. And the heck with that? You die of exhaustion.

Yeah. What a way to go, I guess. All right. For all you salmon out there, you guys are tough though.

So Raven, what do you have? So I kind of went the religious route, as it were. And I think most people, and I don't know, because I've never pulled lots of people about this. But when I think of Native American spirit, the first thing I think is the great spirit.

It's the concept of a life force, like a god or a supreme being. It's actually common to a number of the indigenous cultures in the United States. The idea of a great spirit is not necessarily shared by all the cultures, and it's not even necessarily interpreted the same way. Each tribe, each of these groups, you know, has a little different take on it.

And you can say that for any religion, actually. Not everybody necessarily interprets it in the exact same way. And one of the examples that I ran across was a Lakota activist. His name is Russell Means.

He says, at least the way they and a lot of the different cultures, the more articulate translation would be the great mystery. But the similarities really do kind of coexist with the Christian concept of God. It's been conceptualized, you know, through animals, through celestial deities, a god of creation, some history thrown in there, some eternity thrown in there. But really, however it's conceptualized, it takes or he takes, it takes a personal interest in world affairs and intervenes in the lives of human beings when needed.

So then I thought, you know, what do, I thought, okay, there is this belief of a great spirit of a higher entity. One of the things I thought, well, everyone kind of believes in that the idea of a higher power, the great spirit, the great mystery, whatever you want to call it. So I thought, I wonder what they believe, you know, like in an afterlife or, you know, is there an overarching belief in ghosts? You know, I thought, you know, there are the spirits of the trees and the spirits of, you know, everything that you guys have talked about, you know, the buffalo women.

And I ran across just a list of some of the different cultures. For example, in the California cultural area, it says among the Hoopa, ghosts are usually a temporary phenomenon. The idea there is before journeying to the land of the dead, the individual soul was believed to haunt the village for four days, kind of in an attempt to come back as kind of like, I don't want to die. It kind of had four days to come back.

After times it couldn't, on the fifth day, the souls of the dead would go to an underworld, but they could return at time to, the way they put it was to bother the living, especially the relatives, not to visit, not to, not to, not to comfort, but to bother them. But if I never ghost, that will be me. I'm going to come back and bother you. So there you go.

That's interesting. I've heard that in other, you know, various Native American stories is the spirit will hang around for an interval. Like, you know, you said four days. I've heard like three, four days.

And before it moves on, but then I've also heard that sometimes a piece of that spirit stays behind. And maybe that's the same thing as their connection to come back and, and kibbutts. Yeah. So the, in the Northwest, there's even a little different culture.

There's a tribe called the macaw. If I mispronounce these, I'm so sorry, I'm doing the best again. And they live on the western coast of Washington's Olympic Peninsula. And there's a gal who has studied them, her name is Elizabeth Colson.

And her report says that ordinarily in this culture ghosts aren't seen, though people are certain that they're in the village at site. They can't see them, but they know they're there. And they also like to hang out on the beach. So they know that they're on the beach.

There's a lot of bad places to hang out. If I'm going to hang out, beach is going to be at not the moment. Better than the basement. Nast to the cross base.

Dark basement. Or beach. Go beach. I'll go to the beach.

They believe that spirits appear in the dreams of the living. And these are usually regarded as a warning of some impending calamity. So you don't want them in this culture. You don't want these dreams from these relatives.

Except for it might be nice to be worn. Yeah, at least they're trying, right? We're just going to say, back, watch this go. And they do.

Yeah, it's like just. But they also believe that spirits of the dead come back to guide the living to the line of the dead. So you know, when it's your turn to pass, they'll come and help you, which is common in our culture. So the Great Basin culture area, which is where we are.

We are in the Great Basin. There is a book. It's called the Handbook of North American Indians by... Oh, and I'm not even going to say it, spelled A-K-E.

Last name is H-U-L-T-K-R-A-N-T-Z. Acci. Halt grants. Again, my apologies if I mispronounce anything.

In this area, in the Great Basin area, the ghost was dreaded because they believed it wanted to get the living and take them to the other world for good. So I'm thinking it's good for the ghost, maybe not good for the living person, right? Right, and I think, for good, just means forever. That's what I think.

Not like, hey, this will be great. Let's make it to the other world. That'll be fun. Yep, I think it's for good.

For good. For good. For good. Yeah, coming back.

Exactly. So they believe that ghosts appear in dreams, but also in daily life. They believe that ghosts will take the forms of human beings, animals, whirlwinds. And that's something that is great based in white.

So great based on the Utah parts of Nevada. Parts of Idaho. You said whirlwinds? Whirlwinds.

Wow. Yep. So a pretty dynamic range there. You could be a bird or a human or a whirlwind.

I think I would do whirlwind because that sounds pretty awesome. We're honest. It says, some of the American Indian cultures in the Great Basin area go sort of feared as they're felt to be associated with illness, death and bad fortune. They were the ones that were thought to travel in whirlwinds because they're looking for where they used to live.

So maybe I don't want to be a whirlwind because they're for boating. Okay, I take back my whirlwind want. You could be a woodpecker. I'm already a woodpecker.

I'm just annoying. That's what I am. As everybody who listens shakes their head. Yes, yes, yes.

Okay. And then as far as like the western Shoshone, that's one we didn't mention was in this area. Shoshone. I don't know.

Maybe you said Shoshone. Yes, it's something. I don't know. Shoshone.

We love you. They believe that the ghost leaves the body immediately after death. They believe it was feared by California and Nevada groups and dreaming about a dead person was regarded as a bad woman. So I kind of thought that was funny.

The Great Basin. The all- the girls get a ghost. Ghosts were like, yeah, you guys are scared of our cuss. I don't know what those are.

I was just up in lava hot springs, which is part of Bannek. The Bannek County, I believe, are there any tribes? Yeah, I'm not going to care about that. But Shoshone and Bannek operate within that part of it, though, and a lot of hot springs is a pretty cool place.

A lot of people say it has a lot of energy there as well, because people would go there for cleansing and healing purposes as well. I thought there's a lot of really cool buildings up there. We should see if it may be possible to investigate some time. We've actually looked into it a little bit more on it.

Just like those shooey roots. That's not a spring that has to be a warmer season like this. You can do it in the middle of the winter. I literally just went in soap in some hot springs.

You have a cold and warm in the winter. If you're in the hot spring, the rest of the town is cold. Yeah, legit. It was three degrees, I think, when we woke up.

Yeah, it was cold. And you can't sit in the hot spring the whole time. But the hospitals are dirtying hot. Oh, 112 degrees.

So did you say this is just like Russia? No, pretty much. Although I told my wife, I'm like, eh, we were... When I was in Russia, it had to be like 40 degrees colder than that before we were like, eh, we're not going to go outside.

So it was bitter cold, but not even close. Back to the plains, anyway. Yes, yeah. Squirrel?

I'm just saying Shoshone. So I think this is me. Everyone has their own idea. But when someone says Native Americans in reference to the United States, because Native Americans...

I think everyone's first thought maybe goes to the Plains Indians with a buffalo. And you're thinking the Cheyenne. So in the Great Plains culture area, ghosts cause Cheyenne some uneasiness. And I think that kind of goes.

I think most people are a little uneasy about ghosts. In that culture, they are rarely seen, but are often heard and felt. And they're not necessarily the ghosts of particular people. They say, when a Cheyenne hears weird or whistling noises outside his lodge, he knows the misty or abroad.

That's what they call them, the misty. He says, misty. And when I say he, I'm the fellow who's kind of done the background on this, is named George Bird Griddle. And he has a book called The Cheyenne Indians, Their History and Lifeways.

He says, misty is always alarming, but never as far as anyone knows, have ever done any actual harm. They seem to take pleasure in frightening people. He says, probably think of the white man. And that's what he said.

I'm not trying to be a big white man's idea of a hobgoblin or a malicious elf. And then there's another great plains tribe called the Blackfeet. They feel like the dead could be seen or could not be seen by the living, but could communicate also with weird whistling sounds. Not necessarily, you know, EVPs that we would hear or anything.

Let's see. And then one more. Oh, no, here's one. So back to the plains Indians.

In Montana, the Cree, they believe that ghosts are similar to other people, and they were the same close they were wearing when they died, which is kind of where I'm at. And they say ghosts are different from the living because they can't touch the earth when they're walking or dancing because they're dead. So they stay about 12 inches above the ground. And they do believe they are capable of walking through the logs or walls of a house, and they don't need to use the door.

And they believe that a person can hear a ghost, but not see it. So on the Great Plains, there's a lot of hearing the ghosts, not a lot of seeing the ghosts. They also believe that if you do not provide a suitable funeral feast, the ghosts might get a little ticked off and linger. So if you don't want ghosts singing around, have a good feast.

Or at least a little ceremony. And then the last one, if you are in the subarctic culture area, you know, northwestern Canada, ghosts are generally feared in that area. And they would do a lot of things to kind of placate these ghosts. So if travelers were passing near a grave, they would offer food to the deceased, and they would also take morsels of food and throw it into a fire.

And when it hissed, it was interpreted to be a call from the dead. So there is a little taste of ghosts in some different cultures. I thought that was a very interesting topic. Very interesting.

And we will definitely be picking some of these aspects and going more into depth on those because I think we could talk for a whole hour just about skin markers. Yeah, that was probably the end. Everything. That was like a brief overview of an awful lot of stuff.

Yep. But it was good. We can dive deep. Check out our shop at advancedperinormal.com.

We've got all sorts of cool stuff there. My mug broke. Oh no, yeah, my handle got busted. Glue.

Oh no. So I was always sad about that. But I guess I got to always get another one. T-shirt still rocking.

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Okay, I have to tell you a little thing about the TikTok though. Uh oh. Raven started school and her TikTok time has to be woven back into the fabric of my life. So if you're a TikTok follower and you're thinking, holy cow, Raven's lame.

Yeah, sorry. I'm getting back on the... I'm getting things figured out. Yeah, schedule that kind of stuff.

I do. Geez, let me use. And on YouTube, we're up to 134 subscribers. So thanks for that.

Woo hoo. And we're trying to, when we do the YouTube versions of the Supernatural Hour podcast, we're trying to throw in some of the pictures and things that are topical to that. If you go out and view the most recent podcast on Supernatural Hour, or the crop circles on YouTube, I've thrown a lot of crop circles up there. So it's kind of fun to see some things.

We're trying to become a little more topical in the pictures that are there. But it's sometimes a little hard. So but we try to get some things out of interest. So we have a new segment.

We have to come up with the name for it. But so far it's an segment which is kind of fun. We can, you know what? Let's keep getting suggestions and then we'll go with the best one.

Okay, we're going to try a new segment. I'm going to try to focus on usually gear. And right now, one of the paranormal forums I belong to, it's kind of been a a timely topic. People are talking about ghost box and spirit boxes and how they work.

And there's two schools of thought on the spirit box. And one of them is that the spirits are actually picking fragments of words and sounds from human broadcasts and then putting those together, assembling those into the messages that we hear come over as words and sentences. And the other school of thought is that they don't they don't do that. They just need basically just a carrier wave, just a radio carrier.

And that's what I subscribe to because I've seen and been in situations where the spirit box is receiving absolutely no human broadcasts at all. And yet you'll still hear a word or a phrase come over it. So I don't think that the spirit world operates in a digital manner like that. You know, assembling words and bits.

I don't think they've got a piece of recording tape or something they can stack those on. But you know, what do I know? But just the fact that evidence has been received with no human broadcasts being received at all kind of proves that that's not the way it works. The history of the ghost box is interesting.

I just finished a book on supposedly the designer Frank Sumption. He actually built a copy of Thomas Edison's telephone to the dead. And that's an interesting read if you want to read that ghost box by Chris Moon and Paul Ed Moon. And it details his experience with Thomas Edison directing an entire network of spirit guides on the other side for people who used the spirit box in the ghost box.

You'll draw your own conclusions from that. But that's about what I, you know, that's what I want to do with the segment every time. Maybe focus on a different piece of gear and nuance associated with it. And I thought that was timely with the spirit box and how it might work.

Everyone just draw your own conclusions. But based on the evidence, that's the way I think it works, at least for now. You know, my experience with the spirit box, when I use it, I never get anything over the spirit box. But when other people use it, there's stuff right and left.

So I don't know if the spirits just don't like how I like it. I've gone for months and not gotten a thing. And then you'll use it and you'll get three words. You get nothing forever and then you'll get a sentence.

Yeah. It's a hit or miss thing very much. And the spookiest thing for me is when you hear your name over the spirit box. Especially when your name is not very common.

Yes. Yeah. Okay. I thought it was interesting though.

I didn't know about the Thomas Edison connection with the spirit box. I didn't either. That's fascinating. Supposedly both Edison and Tesla invented a radio for communicating with the dead.

Tesla for a while thought his was communicating with extraterrestrials. But Edison was convinced that he was communicating with the deceased. So yeah, that's available online. If you want to look that up, that's all that information is available.

Oh, well, that sounds like fun. So that's it. Rogue, what have you got for the bucket list? All right.

Well, the bucket list is brought to you by the Barbary Coast Saloon. Not just a bar, but also Sunday brunch. Very, very good food. My second.

And I would like to talk, right? You need to meet me for a Sunday brunch. So good. So that leaves me to, I'm going to just bash this name and I've been trying to practice, but I'm still going to bash it.

And I believe it's called the Rain Ham Hall and it's in England. And yes, it does come from my creepy book. However, it's like the first page. So it's a pretty cool thing.

And as I was reading about it, a gentleman way back in the early 1800s, his wife busted him for cheating. So he locked her up in the attic and left her up there until she died from smallpox. And her name was Lady Dorothy Walpole. And she is now known as the Brown Lady.