Nature, Systems Thinking, and the Signals We Ignore | Natalya Wallin

What if the most important signals in life — and business — aren’t found on spreadsheets, dashboards, or market reports… but in the body, in nature, and in the patterns we’ve stopped paying attention to?In this episode of At Depth, Ben Rodgers sits down with Natalya Wallin — founder of Vitality Venture Fund, systems thinker, ultra-runner, and former global fund builder — for a conversation about intuition, resilience, biomimicry, and the hidden architecture behind meaningful work.Natalya shares the story of a single sentence from a mentor that completely changed the trajectory of her life, taking her from molecular genetics into global policy, venture investing, and building solutions inspired by nature itself. Together, Ben and Natalya explore what it means to think in systems, how great teams function like orchestras, why ambiguity is necessary for innovation, and how our bodies often recognize truth before our minds can explain it.This conversation moves from the bottom of the Grand Canyon to the future of regenerative investing — touching on entrepreneurship, leadership, intuition, founder psychology, human connection, and the cost of ignoring the signals trying to guide us.Topics include:Systems thinking and “mutant generalists”Biomimicry and nature-inspired investingBuilding Vitality Venture FundIntuition, somatic awareness, and decision-makingWhy in-person relationships still matterFounder conviction and recognizing authentic visionEndurance training as preparation for lifeThe hidden cost of clarity, ambition, and misalignmentThis isn’t just a conversation about investing. It’s about learning how to pay attention.