NBA at a Crossroads: 2024 All-Star Weekend Recap

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Yeah. Yeah, so it's honestly It was it's been a little bit slow for the last couple of weeks. Yeah, you know, I said of things here and there but There was a lot of conversation though about the all-star game. We're gonna get into the all-star game Which is why we have brother Q here with us.

Uh, so yeah, if you fold it you up the back row This is your season from s cbasti ball season is the slow season To like June With this, please the number spike during basketball season. I'm surprised at it. Wait, what was that? What was that?

So the number spike that basketball season about actually that when we was going over at the end of the year I was like, how all of these shows basketball shows at the highest rate? Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're a basketball show first I was shit once until I got here about the cowboy nation with me Yeah, it is a it is very much It is heavy. Yeah, tell you yeah very much. I would say more storylines on a ba when you know what no I would definitely say NFL NFL is gonna pay they've gotten the drama up over the last couple of years I Agree but the NFL is the only place in sports where you can go last the first year over year You know, they said you look at the nsc south every year.

It's a new winner in the division. You know saying um the Mahomes thing is crazy So yes, I definitely think that if I had more storylines. I can't answer why basketball does so great on our show Um, what about because we have black? I think basketball got more for like the in-depth fan of the fan that this really following they have more storylines there But mainstream storylines I was saying to feel Mm-hmm.

But like this if you see this happening in Milwaukee or some crazy shit like it John might have seen with the Hornets or something. Yeah, like it's a lot of stuff out there It's just fair with the fans really don't pay attention to it. Yeah. Well, um, I don't know how many people paid attention to the all-star weekend Apparently it wasn't all that great.

And uh, so let's let's get into it Um, let's start off man. People are calling the NBA all-star gang dead I saw in the chat that 12 cows said he is out of there. He is done shot at the 12 cow Um after the east, uh blue out after the east blowout victory. Do you agree is the NBA all-star dead?

And if so, can it be fixed? Um, it is dead. This is one of the few years where I tuned in and then I tuned right the hell out Oh, hello. Did you say I stayed maybe for like a quarter like I was cooking.

Um, I had it in on the kitchen and in my family room You know, I wanted my son, you know, say even though he or I know he don't know what's happening But you know sports is a big part of me and something that I want him to grow up with and um, so, you know, I had it on Yeah, but like I did it last long because it's just it's non-competitive and I have some um numbers That I believe I shared with us on IG. So the most viewed um In the last what is it like since 03 so we talked like 11 years or 10 years from 03 to 2003 The most viewed NBA all-star game was in 03. It was almost 11 million viewers In 2003 it was the lowest rated at 4.6 with the median being If I'm just looking at these numbers and averaging it out. It's around Seven seven million viewers.

What year was the most viewed uh, 03 at about 11 million 10.8. The lowest was 2023 So so 03 was the best 20 23 20 years later It was the worst and it's only on the decline I'm pretty sure that in 2024 the numbers are even lower than that And the thing is is that does it have to be uber competitive? Like it once was like in the 80s and 90s. It doesn't have to be competitive to At the degree even in 2000.

So even in 2000 it was relatively competitive Like are you playful? Yeah, but at some point it gets you know, say egos pride things happen where you turn turn it up And we have not seen that I think the rule of playing um To a certain number like they had a couple of years ago. We talked about this That was good. I also I don't know why they went away from mixing the squad because I thought that was good too Um because it brought a street ball element to it like I did like I did I like that but what we just witnessed and I and not just also the all-star weekend Is this very lackluster and I also want to talk about the comments of what Steve and Asa in regards to LeBron James single-handedly killing the slam dunk contest As asinine as that sounds.

I agree with him to agree I agree with him to agree because since um since LeBron came into the league in 2003 There's only been six all-stars to participate in the slam dunk contest LeBron what he's what he's saying exactly Uh and I'm paraphrasing I'm paraphrasing but essentially prior to LeBron There was nothing but all-star's and hall of famers that used to participate in that Um contest and now since LeBron and it wasn't because LeBron was injured. He just said no I'm not doing it and here's the thing you could you could feel any type of way that that you want to feel But let's be honest LeBron sets precedent for the entire league The way that he's been able to maneuver free agency The way that he's dictated how when and where he goes and the way that he's done it with clutch sports Technically, he's not the owner, but the person that runs it is my homie You know, so the way he's been able to manipulate the entire NBA just think about how many NBA players are clutch sports clients. How many how many are LeBron James though? Right I'm actually like I feel like that's the part of And I'll let you take it because I have way more formula stuff to say about basketball But I do feel like that that's the point of why it's starting to suck because this generation of basketball players a lot more Entitled they feel like the since LeBron didn't do it.

I don't have to do it I don't have to do it. I'm not LeBron like it's when LeBron did it before him. It was Mike like acting It was in LeBron James even though he's gonna be a great basketball player He probably won't go down in history as LeBron or anybody else who could compete in the dunk contest like LeBron had a valid reason I am the biggest star in the category. Absolutely Bro, all the stuff that you just gave was a bad reason.

I got shit to do all-star weekend. I got clutch people He's playing in the game. That's cool. We're already part of it.

I'll be here Sunday Monday or Saturday But wait, wait, I'm just saying let's go get superstar. Yes, we did it. He went Kobe Bryant What are you talking this man? They need a star on his own?

It started in the all-star game. Okay, what does that say? I can see that but on top of that none of these people are as big of stars as LeBron None of those are entities like LeBron James is you just explained it with clips part of the problem with these dudes in this generation Even wanting to get paid for the also a game. They don't I said in a chat?

LeBron I will include in this but the other generation they wanted to play basketball These dudes just know how to play basketball and they want to be paid for playing basketball The other dudes I hit a hook I'm gonna prove myself so I'm gonna do the dunk contest I'm gonna do the three-point contest because I want to show my skillset I think the other generations were all there for that and it showed all through NBA also our weekend I should be excited so you but now the new generation like bro, I just don't happen to know how to play basketball I would rather be on Instagram. I would rather be hosting parties I would rather be on all-star season and I don't disagree and I don't disagree However, this is it's a league right and they have a commissioner and a commissioner has to keep the integrity of the game by any means That's a business so if that means that now we make 50 times what we were making during Jordan's era and these kids are entitled Well, let's let's make it work. They're watching be incentivized. It's a business.

Yeah Just like we talked about the play in was was more competitive than it would have been had it not been It's determined. Yeah, that's what I'm sorry You you incentivize it at this point of that's what you need to do to revive it these guys ever They're not thriving off competition anymore. They're friends. Everybody cool.

That's my boy I've been talking to him on FaceTime whenever I feel like it back in it back in the day They can't invite each other they didn't want to talk each other They want to play basketball and beat each other's hands in because it was about proving a point because I know like I may have heard of you But I don't know you so the first time that I may see you is in the NBA But I heard you the first time I play you maybe in college now look I'll take it back to LeBron right in the ABC D camp the Nike ABCD camp. I can't remember the dudes I think I should have with us and on our gee what she talked about but there was another one player in the country Right this predates social media, right? LeBron. They really know who he was he didn't know who LeBron was and in this camp It was like oh, it's on is that guy?

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You know, I'm that would you? You know say a LeBron and you know before social media, how do we see LeBron on ESPN? Like I have a question and I'm gonna have the TQ How big of a superstar was Sean camp was he on MJ level? No, no dominate weapons He's a tear below he was No Mike then Dominique and then Sean Kemp is below that Dominique definitely not not saying that right?

No, yeah, because in 91 He was the only name. I mean there were other names, but he was probably the one that people would know the most But yeah, 91 got d Brown Sean Kent Red's Chapman Kenny Smill King Williams blue I was on the snow kind of you 92 said it's a ball is Larry Johnson Nick Anderson John Star's Doug West young Kim Stacy Augman Harold minor after that clearance whether you also going yes, but how's that LeBron thought well? This is not a way before the Yeah, first off first off first off. Um, you name that least a couple of our stars throughout that Larry Johnson He was a sending and we knew it from you and I'll be like Where the super sorry, yeah, that's the point where the star no no no more Stephen Sounds crazy so so you don't you don't think that LeBron said a precedent of guys even and obviously look There's only literally a handful of players.

That's all LeBron's Me let me let me enjoy here James at any point to participate in the dunk contest is like asking now is the freestyle on breakfast You know, no, he gets the 16 bro like asking Jay Z to come up to the like in 2001 and be like Yo, hold let's kick us a freestyle at 97 if he wants to he will but it should be up to him because there's Michael Jordan was definitely a superstar at the time when she participated in the dunk contest But he's kind of an anomaly because Kobe Bryant was airballing against Utah when he was playing in the dunk contest You know, I mean so this so this is not the same as like asking oh six Kobe to be in the dunk contest in my opinion What we're talking about here is we're talking about workers rights and protections if we're talking about entertainers entertainers are still workers and the NFL Codifies their athletes as entertainers the NBA codifies their athletes as athletes And you can look that up but regardless This is still entertainment and we're talking about workers protections If you want a guy like Anthony Edwards or Devin Booker or Nicola Yokich to go hard against their peers You need to like you all been saying incentivize the game there And then there's two words that can make this game so much better for everybody and that's tax-free If you make the money tax-free and you can customize whether but that's what they need to do everyone always Look at that government though. I understand that. I understand that but there's ways around that and there's ways around that through charity There's ways around that through you know, I'm saying if people there's ways around that through charity There's ways around that through the duffel bulls there's ways around that through incentives through in contracts that you sign at the beginning of the year Whatever or whatever the five-year contract is for max guys You can into the visor for a guy's we're coming up on their deals There's ways to do that and put it in like the new CBA and I feel as though the conversation that Steve bene is having is just you know Steve bene's whole functional yes again in my opinion is he supposed to parrot the ownership classes objectives It's take away play empowerment. There's guys who are in salt within media on the NBA side to try to degrade the legitimacy of player empowerment Because they don't like the fact that black men have that much power over their careers And I feel like Stephen A whether it's coming from a fan perspective or not He doesn't understand that this is this is about workers rights and workers protections If you want Anthony Edwards and these guys to go hard and synthesize it.

That's only around it Why do you there's no there's no protection against a guy who tears his Achilles trying to go hard against his peer when and the Example against you going to UCLA and guys go harder. You say I know that that that clip of Kobe Bryant has been circulating when he says Guys go harder UCLA camps than they do with also game But the difference is the guys are trying to condition at that point so they are willing to put that risk going You know I mean like risk aversion is all about reward and about loss potential loss Right so you know that when you go half speed or lower You're actually more susceptible to injury than when you go harder and here's the thing It's a all-star game. I'm not saying that they need to go a hundred or fifteen percent like it's game seven I'm not that's not the point because in all-star game to cues point it is entertainment is supposed to be entertainment at From an entertainers perspective not from a you know I'm gonna leave it all on the court perspective and and that's why the all-star game used to be good because it was a slight balance Now I 100% agree with you regardless of the ways around making a tax free there You can't technically do that but I understand what you're saying and I want million percent agree with you with incentivizing it Also, I want to say who was it? You know I'm bad with me somebody just said this where why don't you make it where whoever wins the all-star game host The final games instead of like MLB balls are You know to say so like like it's sense of eyes in multiple ways not only from a monetary perspective But let's hey if the East wins it whoever represents the East gets home court advantage in finals that right there It's like oh, okay, because now you know that the top guys the yanneses the Jason Taehomes the who else is in the East That's real big if you're well and be was you know playing those guys are gonna go a little bit harder And at the end of the day you I can't be going at 80% and you go at 30 That's like you're a basketball player You're gonna raise your level of play and the top guys in the West the LeBron's the 80s the steps Those guys are gonna raise their level of play as well So my thing is is that that Adam Silver has to figure out a multitude of ways of incentivizing the entire all-star weekend I like the thing, you know, I would names shorty and stuff going at it in the pre-folds So bring it in the stuff Yeah, no she lost my pre-brize though In my opinion the all-star weekend the way that you can incentivize it is you have to include seating and Sensations where it's yes the seating of though the winning conference whether and in order of the teams that have the highest scoring points in my opinion the guy who gets the most points and like whatever that should be the team that represents okay if Anthony Edwards scores 50 and everyone else scores less than that then Minnesota has the highest seat and they get home court advantage throughout the playoffs Yeah, but that's a bit far Yeah, but like that's how you would get the maximum effort that everyone wants to see like Kobe says in the I think it wasn't all the smoke, but it was another podcast like that with Darius Miles and Kobe's saying that yeah, it's not a good spot He says if you want to have the best also weekend fans want to see the best pick up game possible Yes fans fans want to be on the sidelines at UCLA They want to be on the sidelines at you know, UNLV where guys are you know in the midst of their conditioning and see oh shit Oh, Kobe Brian's gonna get James Harden and Russell Westbrook's on the other team and KD's in the gym Like okay, I want to see what actual guys who like the way that incentivize that we have to be through seating Whether it be like the top two guys on these conference get home court or the top eight guys who are the highest scoring It goes in order of whoever gets knocked out first this is it?

This is self-cousus the team poor and the fact that you got you know You're putting on this man all the hard work that I do in these 82 games that we got to play this year Yeah, it's gonna be nothing void so that's the only problem with that that I would have I do agree with you They try to beef it up they had Andre Eagle dollar and Dr. Jay and a couple people talk to them about competition before the game like we need each other Y'all to play and we saw it with it with it No, but I mean but Shelton that's nice But it's like Paul George was playing in a USA exhibition game and snap his leg in two So it's like he's so if they come with injuries where they cover injuries what do they mean they cover injuries? If you get injured in an exhibition game you still get like the owners would sign off on it Do you think they would play hard? What do you mean?

Oh, so you guys are saying that they're scared to get hurt and there's a lot of things about getting hurt that's not the reason Why they're not going hard. They're not going hard because the because it's it's a different Mindset of the player look I saw this so wait wait wait wait they used to play harder back and pause back in the other previous games Right? Yeah, but make as much money To get more mindset. Yeah, that's why I was saying why would you pay them more money?

I already are not hard. I'm so disagreeing the money to pay hard. I'm so disagree with that idea It's the mindset. It's not you don't let these people don't let these owners mystify this shit Like it's so mystical of why are they playing harder back then you're gonna play harder back then is because that's how you made your name My nigga, I got one of these I don't need to play hard in the game I'm right so how does that not lent a mindset because because you're proving my point because my heart is not just money It's not always been money, but cute.

Listen, listen, listen You just prove my point about mindset because I have this and now I could just use this to prove who I am and how good I am back then they didn't have that the only time that you see You see it like like I got a cousin that played you I'm asking for her in a lot of his Instagram post was him sitting in the gym taking pictures shoes back Then they didn't care about that and stuff all he cared about was playing whooping to be the best to do it I want to be the best to do it. So wasn't necessarily about the money Before you go how many followers does he have on social media a ton right? So he gets the eyeballs back then the only way you would get eyeballs was so I will annihilate you Yeah, you want to court and they said that you better than me. I don't even really know who you are I'm gonna annihilate you we're in the all-star game we in a Pickup session I'm gonna annihilate you because I know that's the only way that I'm going to get people to look at me And I'm getting to like okay Because money is the motive regardless of what these niggas told you back in 1988 when they was hit It was always money bro like Jordan in them.

I'm not saying that Jordan didn't have the killer instinct I want to beat gold That's where access is a difference. That's where I was going to disagree. Is it culture? That's why I was going to disagree It's not part of the cause they're more so than money was culture back.

It was about pride everything was about pride and going home Like I said, you see I was there a time in Jordan got money. Yeah, thanks. Thanks. They're today Different class of NBA play.

I think the guys were hungrier I'm not gonna say mine said like do they you had a hungry NBA player back then coming from a lot different circumstances You have rich bass it was the kids to play bass Well rich kids they can play you all this It's not even rich kids, but it's rich kids you gotta get this fight It's very few guys was just straight out time Like this if you have talent you are going to play on a UT for reduce calls if not Throw it though. Oh, but but look the money's gonna be that's what I'm saying right? I'm saying is this is access right now the ease of access you can make a hundred thousand a year being a high school player Going to OTE basketball right down here in Atlanta. Yeah, right?

So the access the ease of access It's just accessible It's just like it's just like music and anything else back then in music. It was about being the best that you had to prove it You got to prove it now today to get a contract is how many followers you got? I really prove it so the same thing with same thing with sports back then is me and you we play one-on-one I'm gonna be the best player out of the two of us back now It's about how many people following you how many nl deals you got how many money you making? That's what it's about now more so than it was then they wanted money But at the same time money was not the motive back then the motive was That's the revisionist history we buy into because we want to believe in this like American exceptionalism of hard work was all We think it'll talk about hard work was told to us as kids in the 80s and 70s that our work got its money hard work got you a lifestyle Hard work got you currency, but what happens when currency overrides culture and that's where we're at this MBA also We can conversation is not about to the also we can we're talking about the entire product if we want to override this Currency over culture conversation that we're having on the NBA.

We'd be having bigger conversations like why are we still having a two-game season? Why is it not a 65 game season? But see but that's where we're see see but this is where we have a problem at is because people want to have to both ways You want players to go above and beyond as workers to do extraordinary shit But the we're owners on to extraordinary shit to incentivize them You don't want to give them an actual season where let's condense the season because the game has never been more talented So the game has never been more talented. Why are we not condensing it to make it the best punch of a Because first of all business doesn't work that way cute number one if you're But cute look let's look at it from a business perspective.

It's never been more talented What we need to do is we need to add more teams or we need to add more games That's what we need to expand. We don't need to condense. Who the hell does great business and they condenses everything about business is expanding cute It's we can't condense it's not about your product That's the problem with you Let me just go because this is the problem that we have as people in America is we think that when something is great Let's over mass produce it Let's mass produce it because it's so great And the fact of the matter is like when you have a great script in a good movie or you have a good script on a good show Sometimes the best show is a limited series sometimes the best movie is not three hours. Sometimes it's yo We should make this an hour and forty five.

We should make this eight episodes because we want people to clamor for more Sometimes limited like people one of your favorite rappers West Side Gun West Side Gun makes limited quantity of his shirts and his sweaters Because he knows that people are going to literally fight each other over it Pause right there pause right there pause right there pause right there He makes limited amount of shirts, but what does he overdo? The music is what the music is what the music goes to brings you over here to body shirts in the first place But right so so wait if we're gonna use this analogy that we need to over produce the regular season and condense the postseason Because the postseason is what really gets the viewership. It's not the regular season But that's not the regular season because people that's philosophy because the music to him as he says in this I think it's applicable it's not it's not dead in hip-hop, but it's Philosophy the music is marketing for what he really wants to get into which is fashion and film everything else So if I'm being honest, you need to you need to market your players more so that people actually give a shit about yogi You give a fuck about Luca. Sure.

I'm trying to get you a opportunity to market your players Of course, but the thing is we already have enough games to do that sixty five games seventy eight games is enough, bro Break it down or written if you live in a perfect case of no one cares about Everybody game baseball's different. That's a whole different product. It's a different part of the NFL 18 game we can't We can't say they don't care about it. We would contract their past The Yankees make more off of what they're branding because it's marketing it's can't name three players That's just a game.

But what about the rest of these teams that spend money like that? Okay, cool. Okay, good. All right the LA Dodgers How many critics would a captain in one name and one Dodger?

It's all about marketing you? There's always gonna be a handful of teams regardless of the professional sport that we're talking about that is based on marketing But the whole lead is based on a handful of teams Owners don't want to spend on marketing their players because they're greedy shit But yeah, we're we're counting how many abortions any ever can get his girls and how many girls how many You're trying to go to 85 bro. I'm trying to say four hundred or seventy five five This is what the whole conversation is we're to it's not no because it's we're too busy counting the pockets of players when the owners have all this Money they'll do shit with it They get paid when they say it's full or not, but we're out here talking about the players gonna work hard Niga market your song about players. How many players?

How many how many people know who the celebrity is outside the fucking five people in the end? This is ridiculous and we're talking about anything ever should be a global superstar. I think it's about the gym I grew a lot of what you're saying to you, but what's the solution to that though? Spend your money owners you have all this money laying over and you want to spend money on a fucking time sharing more of Ora niggas spend money on your players.

No, I'm an owner. I'm an owner. No, no, no, that was next See and that's where when this is where the Stephen a Smith's coming and they want to degrade player empowerment It's my prayer world players take the CBA. So all right, well, we lock it out now.

There you go That's what I was getting to cuz like, you know, you can say do that but they're not gonna do it You know why because here's the thing about sports in general and this is a microcosm of society You got the people at the top the LeBron LeBron could be locked out for five years and it won't hurt him CP3 could be locked out for five years that ain't gonna hurt him James Harden all of these guys that have multiple Hundred plus million dollar contracts and go hurt them But what about the guy that like a PJ Tucker that he signs an eight million dollar contract? That sounds a lot to us, right? But Lou Williams is broken down half of that is going to taxes number one then you got age of these then you got this Then you got this then you have lifestyle bro. Like at that point.

I can't walk out more than two years, but I can't do it I got one year What would you say to the What would you say to the player that said well you LeBron James and Chris Paul's and hundred million dollar contract people up your union Dudes and the unions gonna support us while we lock up bro Exactly so that just loses to it all if you want to go there Niggas are scared bro, let's be honest Let's just be real niggas are very scared because oh what we gonna do it massive Don't pay a nigga you are the whole lead nobody coming to see Adam Silver ball Dats in the fucking commentator boo they're coming to see LeBron dunk out the gym and until us as black man actually Is in our power see everything I'm fucking trolling. I'm not trolling shit. This is all about the owners What's up? What is a slice of pie to an international bakery chain?

Don't talk to me about oh these players They didn't pay the handsome to go out there nigga is an international bakery chain You're talking about they're getting their slice of pie the the promise that they produce as workers is a joke compared to what the owners get in Tax deductibles and y'all want to talk about all-star weekend because because okay, so so so look if we remove the NBA shell from around that Any person that is a business owner gets taxed deductibles Why because you are the one taking the risk in putting product out there? You're the one that's bank rolling and financing these certain things so if we remove the NBA shell and we just look at Business ownership in general. That's the reason why so let's jump back into the NBA, right? Let's get away from all of this the financials right at the end of the day We're talking about incentivizing the all-star game.

Mm-hmm, right? So let's get back to the crux of what we're talking about the all-star weekend has been degraded as a product for several reasons culture mindset and Overall ease of accessibility to start them most of these guys that get into the league now We know them before they get into the league Ken we've been doing this show for over 10 years and close to 10 years ago I said that we're going to get to a point where there's gonna be So much talent in the league. We're seeing it. We're seeing that these guys are coming every year And I know this doesn't sound like a lot but it's a lot now in comparison to even 15 20 years ago There's anywhere between 10 to 13 real NBA players coming into the league every year regardless wherever they get drafted But some of them come in undrafted but there's gonna be 10 to 13 guys and I'm talking about not super soft Obviously, I'm not talking about 10 super stars coming in every year I'm not saying it's gonna be about three maybe super stars for super stars depending on the draft guys Maybe one super star, but we're gonna have 10 to 13 guys that are gonna be key pieces to NBA franchises every single year What is that man?

Nobody knows them? What? I just we know before they get to the league we don't know we do We Is a basketball fan right? No, bad carer before you got into the league.

Yeah, the casual fan. There you go We're talking about overall point a lot of casual fans to an end to the also again Yeah, those are the people that are complaining that you per say yeah, you're a purist you love it You're gonna be there. It's a casual fans that are complaining like this shit's not good. Yeah And that's the one what the casual fan is the one you got a piece because that's what your money's got I'm gonna leave those purists is in this bucket you're gonna get that regardless You try to reach and get profit share anyway you get that is you draw it in with these these events like the tournament It's these tournaments all-star time all that stuff is a way to get these fans motivated That's why I'll start weekend is in the middle and see what I did It has to be stated that these owners are not the reason why Anthony Edwards can jump out the gym These owners are not the reason why Luca Donge's can shoot the ball the way he does these owners are not the reason that Kyrie can handle the ball He does and when we saw and when we pause but when when when we start to put that much on this one they invest in it They go I'm not giving people a metal for being able to recognize sunshine I'm not doing that because it's our town the birth.

I'm not doing that shit But this is so ridiculous that we're having this conversation because it's so much and I'm not saying this ridiculous for us They have a conversation I mean the larger like people who were making this culture point I just think it's so ridiculous because we're talking about currency here the way that people were trying to dismantle Michael Jordan It was bred from this 1980s 1970s American mentality that if black men worked hard We would get money and we cannot discount that bro We cannot discount that a lot of us bought into American exceptionalism through sports That if we tried to be the best athlete possible We would prove to our owners in a point that I'm trying to make is that look at niggas on a 15 year contracts looking Then because I was on a 10 year contracts It wasn't until we understood our bargaining power as a collective block that we said we need to get shorter contracts for more money The reason why I love Brian James can go to Miami for two years and then say I'm going back to Cleveland Go all the way around the shit now I'm gonna let me bring my wife and kids into the to the private plane anymore I'm going back home where I can get more money or similar money and more incentives for my personal life But this is what happens because we over emphasize the rights of these type of like luxury workers versus what other people are going through Because the workers who work in the arena are not getting any of this private share and I'm talking about an entire like Orientation of what it means to be a worker for the NBA not just the ownership class and people think I'm trolling I'm not trolling bro. This is a hundred percent facts If you look at the private here that the owners have versus what the players produce for them This is a joke that you want to talk about they're not going hard enough. They go fuck out of here Like give me give me tax free you can do it. You can't do tax free.

They can't know People they literally can if people if they can find six trillion dollars to send it's a country that's killing people We can do this here in the NBA Problem this is a problem. We think shit is too deep when we are in the motherfucking ocean They get already deep bro Q I Don't disagree with you that we spend money in places and do things that we shouldn't do In the places that are doing it this shit they can find it they have lobbyists that do this but cute Everything gets taxed bro. Everything is Come on The owner it taxed me I think that's what he's saying and seeing it they are not profit they not paying taxes and the players saw I just thought those money They said what he was I have a question What were some of the the old heads from back in the day? Let's just say cuz it's just already with chat I'm gonna after that.

What are they saying about the all-star game as it stands today in the last couple years? They had any commentary they said it was terrible. Yeah, like I said Andre I actually was part of the group to go in and he's part of that that group to go in and like look y'all got to play man Yeah, so what are the actual players that were playing in the game? What are they missing?

I haven't seen a piece of it I don't think I don't think the wrong is I saw like I said the room is I saw is these guys are wanting money now They're wanting the money. That's what I did is what I saw I guess the point you're next to them like I'll be old players talking about it in the reporters And I was like what do like call and it downs and what do they live in what do those people have to say your your what you're seeing is Generation of younger guys coming in that may understand where their value lies And it doesn't lie and plan in this all-star weekend game. I think about this remember when LeBron advocated for more time off You know for all-star game I think and they gave it to him And so I think these young cats was you know, you know, we know we know these young cats, bro We just talked about a video what's that video we thought the kids and work it out and that was like you need to go out and Snowy was like why I want to do it on my day off these players right now They understand their worth and their value and their value right now is an all-star game It may be a synthesizer If they're asking for more money that may be the way to do it But right now until the NBA come together these owners if they care about the product Then they'll find a way to incentivize it and financially or what not to get them to play harder, but right now they will I agree with you can't I tell you my problem with it from the generation that I come from it that That's too passive aggressive if they feel that way that they should state what they want and they know they value they should Hold out a way until they get it But just going out there say hey, I'll take the chicken We'll just show up and we'll have a simple like they do it with a promo We'll do walk because I want you go to the NBA and say y'all expect us to do this in this game Then we want this I'll tell you why because I don't think the players care as much as the fans do The fans are the ones that are screaming about it. Why we have in this conversation right?

Why he was yelling everybody on here and watching it's too fast. It's the whole people this is the whole you know My lawn or in hip-hop this is like oh man They don't rap the same Yeah, you know every generation has its own way and they have their own thing that they want to do and how they want to approach it And that's what this is so it's either accepted or for what it is and get back to the games or let it be so let me ask this How many players per side east and west 12 right so why not make it a million dollars a million dollars? It should be to work. It should be to well I say this would be 250 to get there and 500 extra to the winner 750 if you win And you make a million you should get MVP should get a point five it should just be a meal for the winning team And you get a point five tax for you know what not not million get a good action when they work when they work Absolutely, but basically for the history of what we seen recently We're playing tournament and they only make it what 500 k-9 So it's a good that's why that's why I say in my 500 for the all-star So you should in my opinion if I'm putting my business man Had one I'm trying to just reform the weekend and make it all good for everybody then it's like already brother What I'm doing is for the dunk contest.

I would probably get Different players or superstars to sponsor a dunker if we want to switch it up for a year sponsor one dunker around the NBA Whether it could be a Glee guy could be a guy off the street could be something that they just found right instead of Jamlin Brown Computing and Mac McClung or whoever or Zach Levine I would make less act with me than sponsor one guy and be team Brown team live look look team Levine team whoever team Gordon and that dunker participate on behalf and they get a cash prize and we say oh yeah team Brown one because all but if I'm doing also are we can I would make it also game just the mid-season tournament There's no there's really no point in doing it Just make the also we can the mid-season tournament and whoever's there where to wear it is the most competitive game It's almost like a pre-finals game before the finals and then if I'm talking about the three-point contest keep it the same skills Contest I would just do a king of the court. I would do away with skills and who wants to be a guy I'd throw the ball it should be either a king of the court or she'll know one on one twenty minute three dribbles each and then Beyond that just keeping the three events all this the like the celebrity game is funny So I would just keep that but just those those four events And then I would also try to bring in the WNBA in some way whether it's like what it like the best shooters from the women's teams And the best men from the men's league I would do like a women's versus men's like battle of the sex type of thing And that's how you can make also we can really fun because you incentivize it and make it great for everybody But I think part of the incentive and sensitization They need to get like automatic votes toward any all-in-b-18 that they that they classify for because if we're talking about money Right like Tyree's Halliburton earlier was talking about how he's close not put that making an all-in-b-18 Because of his injury right and he was like well the owners wanted this way and is that in the third Let's be let's be let's paint a clear picture The reason why this was instilled was because there were several players that were healthy and did not play so because the owners wanted Because the owners and queue was not gonna be there's pop It was pop it was pop it was pop there were certain players though as well You know to say there are a whole bunch of players that were quote unquote healthy enough to play but didn't play I'm not gonna chastise people like a D where a D Hylogit injuries miss up a big amount of time to well and beat has never played more than 65 games But we know that it's injury based what's up? No keep going on. I just gotta point on So the reason why they had it instilled this is because we're guaranteeing your contract regardless if you put five games are all in two You know to say but if you're healthy to play and you know And what another point I'm gonna tie this in where I was talking about East and West if you're West Coast even I'm an East Coast team as an East Coast fan I'm you're only coming to my city one time and if you don't play that game I'm like I didn't spend $200 for this ticket and you're the best player you in play I'm not gonna be able to see you in my city.

I gotta go travel somewhere else to go watch you play That's a problem So I understand a reason why they put them in one games but in terms of incentivizing all star weekend You know what you get an automatic five votes toward whatever all NBA team that because now if you do that and you qualify With the minimum games we're talking about the difference of like 40 50 million dollars on your contract Well, like the MVP should be like guaranteed to be like, you know first team all NBA 13 at least like 13 like 13 at least You should be guaranteed 13 at the end 100% And then when we get to other guys like the top score cuz sometimes the MVP is not like the top score But it's like even time about the top scoring guys like the two tops or like the fours top scoring guys Those should be people who get like one I mean I think that all of those other SLER things that happen in the game I don't think that you should be guaranteed all NBA or anything like that But I think that you should get bonuses, you know the top score on each squad gets an extra 250 on top of the million Well, no, obviously if you lose you don't get it You don't get the million but you get the 250 for being the top score for your team You know whatever whatever and then you can even make it down to the people You know saying let them vote on who they felt you know on the losing team that x-line z you get paid for that You know say like we can make it real time like like we are in a technology age where people can actually vote it Influencing and at the end of the day we're the ones that are saying that this should is trash make me more of a part of it Let me not just vote into starters Let me vote during the game for whatever categories You know obviously we're talking off the cover now. They don't pay me to come up with this shit Hey NBA if you watch it I would hey come pay me about 250 and I'll come up with every goddamn I'll come up with every single thing you need to come up with but at the end of the day They need to make a better product that includes fan participation that includes paying these players that participating in the game even more And they need to make it that you got to be able to lose something if you win it Yes, you get the host the finals because look let's be honest Let's say this happened last year and we knew that Miami's gonna get blown out by Denver We knew that going in But doesn't it just a little bit more toward Miami's way as a 7c hosting the NBA finals because the East one that is more Interesting think about it if you had done it this year you'd see more stars in the fourth quarter It's going to say you know There was no LeBron the fourth quarter no Luca no Joker none of these guys were even playing in the fourth quarter to see them Do anything they try to do that a couple years ago was something it was something when they played it was more it was most Competitive in recent years when they kept score at the end of the quarter in each yeah, whoever we like that Whoever won that quarter got money donated to the School but it was just after I'm in the head man. No, I'm not It could kind of come a little bit if I'm being real kid if I would bring back an old 80s 90s rule the top two scores on each conference if you Say like like this if the East and the West top two scores on those teams You're eligible if you get because it still involves rigor if you if you get to the first see the top two scores on each Conference you're eligible in the first round to have a best of five series. That's what I would do Bring it back on the first apart.

Yeah, so I just wanted to point out we'll go into some of the actual events But I'm just reading a couple of tweets from sports illustrated well opposed to has some tweets One thing I know that's honest in the chat I think the chat has moved to too far so I can't get the person that said it But I thought this was interesting he said the viewership was up 20% this year and that may have been because it was a solo last year that had Oh, we can't go was up. Yeah, four point three million. That's very well So but nevertheless was a little swifter. It was a no she was not But what I'm seeing here This is why I think that honestly I think there needs to be a conversation with the actual players is playing the game, you know Because some of the tweets is from David Aldrich You know is I'm not sure why even minimal defense effort is beyond this generation of all stars But it may be time to end this game if they can't give more of a damn than that Then another one a Raj Marcosi said you can't make guys care about a game They don't care about like where do you get that from like what makes you think they don't care about the game Maybe because I saw them say that oh what's the real highest scoring all-star game and they went for the record Yeah, you know they attempted to go there.

So maybe this is like crazy threes right This is just I like to play and and people have to respond I'm not watching it But they responded by watching it sometimes is removing ourselves and saying oh well Maybe you guys just like to go out here and just kind of kick around and shoot the shit out Whatever, I don't see that right you have and you guys just don't watch it. You got you got Andre It would I'm in whoever walking in as soon as you walk down they were like Think about what it's like to be young or be in that position and having old people criticize you from what they used to do back in Their day the times have changed I'm just changing and again. It's because of the accessibility. I want to say it was LeBron You know about what names but it was a broadest about it be could it be Colby?

I'm not sure but they were talking about how kids put when I say kids, you know I can say that I'm fucking old but the younger players at the NBA they put so much more onus on the things that aren't important They put onus on the things that the money gets you from playing in the league the status the lifestyle instead of I love LeBron's Saying put the most important thing first basketball and all the rest of the stuff will come because if you're not at the top of your Game guess what you gonna get like go and guess what happens when you get somewhere black ball down the NBA? That's Carmelo you don't get back. You don't get no another three-year contract You don't control your destiny when you're not at the top of your game and obviously everybody's not LeBron Cuz we ain't never seen a 40 year old do what the hell LeBron's doing and LeBron So it looks like you got another five years that he could play at a high level not necessarily the greatest player But it looks like he could play another five years There's a reason for that and not everybody's gonna be able everybody's body ain't built like that Right, but there's a lot of people that can play until 37 38 and if you're getting into the league at 18 to 20 let's just say you get into the league at 20. We're talking at 15 years 18 years But you gotta put basketball first You know what I'm gonna work in you we gotta get back to being able to play five years and just getting back to the basics and learning the game again You know that's the average right so that's I'm not looking at them playing till 37 I want them to be able to play better sooner You know just put time into the like say put time into the game not so much trying to get you in a bit girl in In develop your skills, right?

Yeah, y'all y'all y'all are old. Oh, you know all star at festivities up sit off for you guys The show the consciousness is always the best thing was the best one. Yeah, yeah The bringing was the best Marcin Smith and his commentary Kenny seemed like he was a little drunk, but other than that That was really great. Yeah, you did.

That was what he said. I'm talking about saying he was what did he not say He was basically just being the sexist like he was saying that she should be shooting from the WNBA 3.9 and not a 3.9. Yeah, and Rachel Miller was like why if she just She chose them she she was Dame who wanted to think what that shit because if she was brilliant she was from the W. She brought me Yeah, that's that's what Kenny was saying to me to be in was saying if he is standing little when the Keep going it was a girl's ball.

Yeah, yeah, just watch and enjoy the content He's a crazy he did he really did and they and they let him have it to online. He's been he's been catching it ever since Yeah, he has he responded and I haven't seen where he's find it he let it down. No, that's what I would do God's I believe in the knowledge that happened. I'll tell you what else is good was Shacking no, I'm I'm I'm just commentary was probably for yeah I'm going back for the highlight of the Star game is listening to those two take shots and he's all areas Who asked about you?

You know what's interesting about that somebody has about you and dream. I was like who nobody Draymond said some some some here you can have my rain like it was like Two other people in a different setting this could have been contentious But because where it was and then they're both good sports about it was like it was funny. It was it was so funny And they talked about you know, they everybody's been tripping off Indiana like we won't ever come back here We don't want it. You know saying how you know, it's a travesty meter Man, I say some crazy.

I just never did trip it. It was funny. It was funny. What about the uh, sorry?

Yeah, I did watch cuz I didn't watch any of the shit I watch all star cuz I mean cuz I just don't find entertaining the dunk contest and I can't see no I just watch highlights um and I honestly don't know how they can fix dunk contest outside of what people are saying in the chat And what has been said on this problem a few times just go get some money be a player They're gonna be too cuz they're innovative, but yeah, I watched the dunk contest The highlights because I get to see all the mates and and the fact that they let that white boy beat them in blackers twice But can I feel you but at the same time at Mcclunge has been doing crazy? The disrespectful part is if you're gonna bring back Mcclunge might as well bring the people out the street cuz he and Lee is technically What the hell is a round on the other brown? That's why you superstars don't be a It was so but else like how do you do this when you hit the ground? Laying my thing is this hold on cuz you said superstars don't need to be in the dunk contest But we never talked about Jalen Brown being a dunker Right like you got a door like we don't want superstars enough It's twofold number one you got to be a great dunker first before being a superstar You got to be a great bunker and then it's an added incentive if you are a star or superstar or somebody that's out of elevated You don't level in the game that that's just added bonus But first of foremost you got to be a great dunker because they think about this like Jason Richardson Was he an awesome yeah, he was also when he went back to back.

I'm trying to think but he was a great dunker. Oh Last name Mesa for Seattle. What's his name? He was all star What player in today's NBA would you like to have seen?

That's healthy who are the great dunkers in the area right? John Moran. I love to see John Moran in it But obviously he's hurt. That's why I said if they're healthy right now, but if John Moran was healthy one He's my first pick I want to go see that 6 3 6 4 2 go boom bro.

He's like he's a jog against Zion 100% Zion should be in it Josh should be in it. Who's another crazy dunkers At the end where should definitely be right to me and all star games on the way Funny now start games first first one is always a little personal. Yeah Now I wanted to say because I'm sure this fucking Internet's about to cut out But no if they want to just make the officer game better, but it's just come down in centers It comes down to incentives comes down to like streamlining the best parts of the weekend bringing in the WNBA because I think in my opinion girls Basketball right now is a better product than many basketball. I just think it's better like College in with NBA is popping right now So like they have way more like fastest to the game that had been taken out of the NBA and another reason why the NBA is not What he wants was is because it's such an up and down fast pace game I know that that there was an era where it was quicker But in terms of every athlete being like apex athlete There's way more of those apex type of athletes now where it's more of a you style put up shots get down court put up shots get down court Drive and penetrate that puts wear and tear on the body and that's not conducive to player health Especially if you want to add in an extra game where you want them to go hard So if we're talking about just making the all star weekend better man You gotta just give them something actually like chew on you know I'm saying pause, but it's like you got to give them something to actually like really like you know We like want to put themselves into a side from go hard because the fans are watching the fans are watching I'm you know and it's you have to give them something more man.

So it was a visible I don't want to see genuine brown gentleman over Kyson that I don't want to be like that shit is horrible That was funny, you know, I mean like like although that's horrible I also don't want to see people arguing that it's the players fault because I don't think it is I think there's a middle ground here in the incentives NBA needs to get it right they need to involve more player and Fan perspective is which people is correct about so I want to leave y'all with that I don't want to interrupt the show anymore, but pretty sure for having me on for sure I'll be back whenever there's Eagles or NBA news so whatever you get up in spike y'all look horrible going into offseason Dallas You know I'm saying you know That disaster 60 minute to so oh, you know I'm saying he's a go play name a now because he got no Eagles news anytime soon Of culture they talk about bringing their Henry Alright, man later Yeah, I think that it was The optics of Jalen Brown dunking over cosinot versus Matt McClellan dunking over shot. It's hard to ignore I just it's just that shit taller. Yeah black athlete. Yes jumping over a small black dude versus a small white guy Jumping like fucking giant.

Yeah, that's that's that's it was insane, but um, but yeah, so you know But I actually found in watching highlights on NBA YouTube channel the three point contest was actually Yeah, yeah, like and then like like dame bro. It's automatic. Yeah, man. It was crazy But he's just not automatic but also clutch, you know when he needed to be and he just they always came through No, you know, I bet he was happy to be there because nobody's talking about him since he had a walkie, bro Yeah, he hit that half or three in the game to me.

He's crazy. Can he pulled up? You regular Just That's why they do the alleys and they do their plans of the crowd of what people want to watch Well, the broad was talking when you're talking to Luca and Joker about his first off-star game. He said yeah, my first off-star game I Was Gulfan off It's crazy to watching them and all star games Right, but you're looking at them on the court with these superior athletes in like how these dudes know what they do in real life Against these guys that they play against right now because what I'm watching don't add up It just don't add to the same.

Yeah, I respect the trolling, bro I love a good trolls. That's what I'm all here for but um, but yeah, Trey under this thing, but I Thought eventually why was he there and uh, and it was somebody I said was gonna choke a second in the East Ken Jelib Johnson And I was like all but I was watching I was like we gonna choke and I'll be down to feet It's all the damn shot, but uh, how long is your friend or four? You got a son with a shoulder, but yeah, I don't know how long it was dislocated shoulder, but it was like a really bad dislocated Perkins what's the first name and be a kind of a kenjor purgues he was talking about how he had that in his career He said he could shoot no way so it didn't you true, but but you need to show the book But it's Julius Randall's right shoulder So it's his non-shooting shoulder, but just think about as a left-handed player What are you using the bump people is your right shoulder? So once it gets dislocated and I don't think is he having surgery or is he trying to I don't think he's having a certain exact So yeah, Perkins was talking about if you don't have surgery you're trying to come back the lightest bump cannot get off You know what I'm saying?

It's not the dexterity and that shoulder is not gonna be the same So it's gonna be tough for Julius when he comes back to really get back to for because it's gonna bother him He's not gonna finish his good with his right hand and to fend off defenders you use your opposite shooting hand So it's gonna be tough for him. It sounds like a nix choke again. Yeah I just hate it cuz the nix were playing good What do you mean by that like they're winning games they're winning games. They're not competitive, but he said Easter coffee's fine No, no, there's only three teams up there with the East and so did I believe in yeah, so did the books sell six bucks box No, you gotta put the heat But he you gotta put in it was Philly, but you gotta put the heat in there You gotta include the nix cuz once again, that's the team that can beat easily beat those other teams when healthy and playing well Oh The next yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know the social I think they will but I think they can they're number one in offense like number three in defense We're going to five Every other team has one as many games about more than ten points than they have in this season up to this point the season has what a championship Hmm.

What's in the Let's look at well, it wasn't a lot so we're gonna look ahead at a couple of quick things before we get out of here Lakers and LeBron so there was a leak I don't know if it's true that So it is true that the words were trying to get right for clay Thompson is that why he did up stuff? That shit. Yeah Look at his hand. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't think that was real bro. I'm sorry. No, he's 100% real There are more you also called asking and what Rapa link is said well if you ask my LeBron is joining beat I feel so then they just hung up the phone But not a block they inquire you need bust gave them She didn't impeded she said you know that every player all of the superstars that play for the Lakers franchise She wants them to be there so if he doesn't want to be there It's on him to make that decision to go and you also know that he has a no trade clause So regardless if she did or didn't it if LeBron gave you okay, it was gonna happen. That's what I said Like bro, like don't be surprised.

We're bigger than you. Yeah, so if you don't want to be in here, bro We're gonna be here. We don't get the hell out of here. You can go you can get it about Yeah, you know, I'm gonna sit up.

Yeah, we don't make up It's bigger than basketball. Why didn't it go do what? Why didn't it go through the details of the trade? Stop he stopped it But none of the details of like what go to say Warriors players was gonna go and what la players none of that has been They said it you're right.

You're right. You're right. They went and asked him since he has no trade calls, but he'd be open to it Oh, he said no, yeah, no, I don't wanna bitch out of the rich boy. I was comminga I'm gonna go So the words didn't want to give up comminga for LeBron they did the Warriors Go they that's rich father this LeBron to do it in they would yeah, I know that like that liquor money is good, bro Gotta be look go money is good.

It's not even later money. Can't it's being in LA like It's a little brawn though. That's what I mean saying the bronze I heard about when everybody else heard about it That's all the line. You know, I mean like just being like her being a lager.

Yeah, just a whole setup But LeBron is one of these, you know Obviously generational player can't no matter where he go. He gonna make money like he was his golden state He's gonna make my time like in LA Going back easily Not little kiss at the end of the day take that wall This is beyond basketball Brandy's at USC his youngest son Bryce is playing high school ball like he he wants to be there It's a broad game is trash. Oh Right, no, no, no, no, no, right is gonna be like the NASA's it's the same situation No, that's that's the team's with one of them confirmed 100% Toronto is scouting Brian James Yeah, there's multiple MBA team scouting the only reason it's because I think the LeBron James is going to play to Ronson. Yeah, just if it's not goes There's a 5% chance that LeBron is coming I'm drafting that player look you you want to understand the gravity of what LeBron says I'm saying LeBron's not gonna go there.

He might the play with a No matter Remember to hear that LeBron left he left the Miami Heat and limbo, right? Nobody knew nobody could get a hold of him So they didn't know LeBron tweeted out if I'm a heat I would draft your bass napier who the fuck the heat drafted So bad's Napier and then he laughs But what I'm let's be honest. It's not guarantee that LeBron is gonna go to your squad But are you not raising the percentage that he might know? I understand you're right and saying that and that scenario is counting like what we're saying They will draft him on the 5% chance to go there like he'll be like that Johnson hang over here No, he will go he will go ever so it is once again.

That's bigger than any I just want to be in his own to get draft Spike you know why because LeBron James career cemented Yeah, he's one of those he's one of the goals That's number one he made all of the money in the world and one thing that has never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever Ever gonna happen again is for a father is sent to play on the same team. It's never gonna happen. Yeah LeBron indeed like all you play on the same people Reading all the accolades at the very end of the list I know he said that's not true. He said it y'all know LeBron James like y'all seen him throughout the years like I know he wouldn't have retired by now He said that's what he want to do.

No, he says he went left He said he said I'm playing so I can play myself 100% over here. I know he said that I don't believe it. Why? Why?

Why? LeBron is saying that doesn't add a lot of time now like he loud with time like No, it's not a lot of time. I know he's not a lot of time like I just don't believe he's there but it's not a lot of time. Why do you think he's still in the league?

Why do you think he's still in the league? Because he's still to himself wants to prove the longevity point of it's still there. He's still huh? He's been to that nobody else is dead what he's dead this year as far as point I agree I'm saying so we had to come back this year to prove that he didn't do that.

No, I think I think he's still in the league because of his agenda to get his time Drafters are the longer he plays it will incentivize teams to draft him as soon as that happened is as gonna deal Like I said, I know he gonna play with one year. I want my sin when will a run when that happens on the run does hang it up Who's who got next bro? Did you? Oh, well, I was gonna say something about that Did you see my king Griffey play with King Griffey Jr.

So father son then they played an outfield together He said he said he grounded him during the game because he won't explain center won't explain right came to start a ball Yeah, he said he punched him on the under the guy I thought I was cool man today was actually able to play together That was cool, but we say who got next when LeBron's gone when LeBron and shit So yeah, hey Katie those are like the three come on Katie been done bro I mean, I'm just saying but Katie in terms of superstar. No, it's been over. We hit the LeBron bro Okay, look this is why I disagree with every other team would trade them near everything they got to get I'm talking about People actually caring Okay, I understand you know, I think we gave Katie that type of flack back at okay So we on the same page but at the end of the day every single one of these basketball organizations would give up They write like to go get no no I would to but I'm talking about superstars right now when LeBron and Katie had his run Katie had a superstar run. He had his moment.

It's been over right now the lead to the green LeBron is Stefan LeBron I feel you to me It's Jomirat and I think a close behind him. I think he's still down the totem pole but I think he's gonna jump up this year is Anthony Edwards because I don't think Jason Tatum has the The fierce competitiveness that it requires to be the face of the lead like you have to be in competition for Championships in the playoffs. You can't be mentally weak. He's all I think he's I think he's missed his moment Yeah, well, here's the thing when he don't was any duck on the run.

Yeah, that was like his rookie year bro He's still could have taken a torch by now And I think last year was this time to take it and you know run another lap this year Jimmy's more popular than them Jason Tatum, bro. What do you mean Jimmy's more popular? What do you mean more popular in terms of superstar? Like that not in terms of face of the league we know Jimmy is more of an aim than Jason Tatum, bro No, that's incorrect and how that's incorrect and just a title slipping a bit when his mom's she was he was 13 years old So I agree with you.

That's not that's true. Where'd you find? We're finding the shit, bro. I saw it in past early in the week side.

Just googled it to make sure that I think I'm the several sites They reported that's right. I think Jimmy Butler has more cultural relevance than J true. Yeah, it is true. It is true.

It's me bro. We're talking from face of the league And I'll tell you Jim Butler is nowhere near the face of the league Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy as much as Jimmy Jimmy's I don't think it's a superstar but I talk about cultural relevance and pop culture relevance Jimmy is out there Okay, your original question is who got next Jimmy played in LeBron's era I use that point out that Jason Tatum is lending the guy in the new superstar take more shot at him No, Ken. We're talking about next Jimmy is done Just like he in terms of being the face of the league Jason say don't still has an opportunity to be the face of the league They win at this year. I and that's what I'm saying So you was like you was at my house last year during the playoffs and I told you and I accurately predicted what was gonna happen between Miami Heat and Boston Celtics and I told you that the Celtics were mentally weak and it started with their superstar Jason Tatum And we saw what happened in the final two games of that series Jason Tatum to take that leap into being one of because it's not even guaranteed right and J ready was talking about this and I 100% agree with this statement We can't force it.

It just naturally happens What we're trying to do is identify the people that can potentially take that mantle part of the reason why Jason Tatum hasn't taken that mental Mantle is because of the mental he has to overcome the hurdle He got to win the championship because his team is there It's not like he's a great player on the trash team that he's bringing dragon them along No, you have the number one offense a top five defense. It now is the time you have to take that Wait, so it's Tatum going through the trials and tribulations that LeBron did that empty did that the piston did before they got him This is part of his fight, but this is the year. He got a jump that hurt That last year I gave him I gave him a pass you take you take John Miranda over this year. Yes.

The reason being is more young kids want to be like John than any other player in the game No It's SVA or G. Yeah, I think he's like great game. He's better. He's a ball But he's he's not he's not he's not charismatic like like John I'm trying to do Shammu's on the court.

They think these kids nowadays They can go out there and try to dunk on folks and they can do the shooting emojis after it's done. Yeah Big as competition himself. Yeah, we can get there Zion. I don't I missed it.

So yeah Zion let's see who's markets. Yeah, leave when be when be can be that because at my opinion my humble opinion I'm I'm gonna be right a lot I think when be could be the most winning winning is basketball player to ever grace the NBA look at what he's doing in his Rookie year. He's putting up better numbers than a recently cut to play a year. He's putting up the same numbers of shots Every p year through the course of beginning of the season up to all star break I'm gonna ask you the most important step.

Oh, they win a game. He's a lot What I can say He's what he's all the player repeat you baller He's the only person shot to average over 20 points 10 rebounds and like three blocks win be crazy bro Yeah, and the problem in the problem goes in yeah, the problem with windy is his teammates the fact They don't know how to use him quite yet. I don't think that's coach ever. He does.

Yeah, but he passed on Yeah, so for those those those other guys will sell the rap but sale Johnson These are the guys and they don't know how they don't know how to keep the ball shoot right through him every place I think so my thing is this another coach a younger coach somebody more like Not necessarily well, I think I pop was ahead of the game and pop out with his name No, the style of play is still current pop is old However, this is the thing and this is the point that I always make and why my okay seat take y'all They just jumped out the window with it at the end of the day the teams that win championships are older this team is too young It don't matter how you talk about what it's I'm gonna get there. I said that when people's gonna be the most winning is player ever in my opinion the way that you get there It was crazy. That's cool. That's great.

That's great. I think it's gonna be the most winningest player in the championships ever The thing is is that how do you get there right? It's not about necessarily a younger coach It's about it didn't it right now where the Spurs are doesn't matter if it's a young coach or old coach those players outside of Whenby don't know how to play winning basketball and that's why I say that's why I'll take that you just made because we don't know What they're gonna surround him with even if you change these players him winning championships depends on who's in his circle So unless we can say for sure he's gonna be which we can't say he's gonna be surrounded That's why you say you know, he's wanted he'd be one of the best basketball players of all time He said something like that, but to say he's gonna be winning is when more championships That's super hard to say because we don't know what kind of talent 100% two reasons why I make I make that statement is number one individually. There's nothing like him prior to him Maybe after him, you know, obviously he could be a game changer and now you got seven six months or this as guards I don't know We've never seen it the next was the thing that we don't see right now Obviously his same age group is Chet and before him it's KB.

We ain't never seen nobody else like that, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, she was saying The reason why I say that the second reason why I say that is when you have such a supremely talented guy like that It attracts other guys, right? It attracts other players wanting to play there who is it gonna be? I don't know are they gonna be over the hill?

They're gonna be in the front I don't know but when you got a guy like that if you're a guard, like you got to be salivating being like, bro Can I go play with this guy? These dudes ain't thinking like that though, you see it now, you got players that people shouldn't wanna go play with, but they don't. It's just not working out that way. That's why you can't really say it that way.

Because you got talent all over the place now. Nobody's running to go play with some of these guys because if it was me and I wasn't in the, I wanna go play it go to state. They look like they're having fun. Well, it used to be different.

But you still didn't get all that talent. The only person that came was Katie. And why would anybody else go? It's just, it's more.

So what the go to state thing, it was a little different because they drafted four Hall of Famer and they paid all four of them. So to add an additional guy, financially through the cap, virtually impossible. What they did with Katie only happened because Steph Curry had bad ankles at the beginning of his career and he signed a four year, $40 million deal. It was a four-year Hall of Famer.

Dre-Mann, Clay, Steph. Oh three, they drafted three, my bad. They drafted three, but added another one. And Katie, so they drafted three, added another one.

The only reason why was because Steph took, you know, it looks like a bad deal, but at the point it's highly- Did they say they're gonna be all the family? Yeah, Dre-Mann, yeah. The friends that played out of years and turned to shit? Yes.

No. No. Did they just try to make the Hall of Fame? Yeah.

I'm not saying years. I'm not saying years, but you look at the resume, it's very similar. It don't take you out of the NBA. I'll get some nukes and blow your ass off and send some shit like that, bro.

I didn't say that. I'm saying the resume looks equal. It don't take me out of the way. No, they're representing me equal.

What do you mean? How so? How's it not? Dre-Mann is nowhere near.

What? Did Dennis try to make everyone defecibly to you? I don't know. How many Jeffers?

They'll probably get in, but I didn't know. All right, they can't know everybody. Everybody gets in. Not everybody's in the Hall of Fame.

Everybody's gonna get in. There's no difference. There's a whole bunch of them that shouldn't be in there. He was there for so many, six times.

Just watch Rob, one more time than Dre-Mann. I got you. Seven time all defensive first team, more than Dre-Mann. If we remember your name, you're making the basketball.

Seven time rebounding changes. He definitely in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, Rob. Five.

Yeah, Rob, I'm a half-five. He's making the fucking Hall of Fame. Rob, where you got more? He's in the Hall of Fame.

But does he have any individual award? No, I'll take Rob. Thank you. Shit, yeah.

What individual? He won the game. He won the game. That shit don't matter.

He was SEC player of the year, wouldn't he? No fucking matter. Dre-Mann was defensive player of the year and got four chips. And he made multiple first and second team.

Rob, it was a seven-time champion. Yeah, you got seven, bro. So can you face it a lead? No, Lucas.

Can you imagine having seven rings and not really doing shit, but doing shit when you do two things? All his accolades was college. The NBA is NBA all-time. That's a hell of a career, bro.

That's like a... Yeah, I only showed what you need. I only showed what you need. I only showed what they need, but I'll show up.

I do show up. I do show up. I hope you're on time. You will win.

I hope you'll sometimes. That's crazy. I don't know if Lucas and Tengel face of the lead. Another thing JJ Redick said that I agree, whoever's going to be the face of the lead has to want it.

Like, Joker don't want it, even though he's arguably the most talented player in the lead right now. You know, I don't know if Lucas wanted it. I think Lucas just looped the operates in Lupo World. Like, he don't want the extra.

If it comes cool, he's just going to brush it off. He doesn't like playing the game in a row. Exactly. He doesn't absorb it.

What about your man's in Orlando? Back arrow? Like him, I don't think he's face of the lead. No, he doesn't have it.

But he's definitely... He's the great impact on that team. Yeah. Yeah, great play.

I think we're going to see... When I think, I need to see people talk about you, bro. Like, are you ever in the game? It's highlights.

It's on and off the court. It's just who you are. We became with shit. But all people talk about it.

All you see is just crazy about winning highlights. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Some crazy he'd be doing the shame going on and on and on. Mm-hmm. 76.

Sam, got the 7-6. What are we talking about, bro? Did it come home? Did he tell you he's going to do it and steal it?

Did y'all see right before the All-Star break, the sequence that he had. On defense, on defense, the other team got the ball. They threw an alley. They chased down, blocked the alley.

You lay up. Came down. Team eight shot of three, got the rebound. So, I'm going to head out the way.

Drivel, dribble, dribble, step back three, dub a net. I'm like, bro, what is this? He should have been in the All-Star. Yeah.

He should have been in the All-Star. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because poor, poor, and such a fluke injury going to be because he was having a great year.

Yeah. I think somebody fell on his leg. But that's just, that's just been his old career, just in flooky shit. But, um, but nah, man, I think everything, I definitely think Wimby, Wimby, and feels like he's climbing.

Um, he looks like he has the desire. Yes. He got the mentality. He got the mentality.

He's in first place. And here's the thing, Kat. Um, I don't know, you know, I know you're not a big shoe person like that, but he's definitely been saying that he got the best shoe in the league now. And I don't want me.

No. Oh, man. All those ass Adidas, they're not ugly. They're not ugly.

They're not ugly. They vote you with widow shoes. Here, I would wear them if I was hooping. No.

No. You still don't know. You still don't know who. Stop looking at it like basketball to get it like.

And like, people don't say that about good shoes. Like, it's my best. Jordan, they just talk about wearing them. Jordan is on a whole nother stratosphere shoe.

What do you mean? Kobe's. People wear Kobe's LeBron's casual. Kobe's they do people.

Yeah. Barely. It's not a big thing. It's not a big thing.

It's not a big thing. Not like that. Yeah. That's one of the most popular shoes in the United States.

I got so much time. Grinches. Yes. But how many people you see rocking?

What do these casuals? They do, bro. I'm telling you, bro. Those are those rock people rock more foam posits than they rock.

Not today. Shii. Well, foam posits is. I mean, when you can't get them, it goes to what Q was talking about.

Spider-Man to be honest. I was thinking about shoes. We were saying it. But yeah, foam posits are up there.

But Kobe's they wear those casual shoes that people will buy. They won't buy no any help with shoes. No, no, no, 100%. I would never buy this shoe.

But here's the thing. Steph Curry has the second highest shoe sale behind LeBron. People don't wear Steph Curry shoes. Nah, but he's killing them white foals game.

He can see them white foals. Wait, have you ever seen a nigga rock under armor casually? No, no, no. But you say, you say best shoe though.

Like you were telling us. I'm like, Jordan. No, no, no. So I mean, best shoe to wear on court right now.

Okay. Yeah, so who put it now casually. And I think Jordan is the only player sneaker that is a casual, like everybody wear it. You know what I'm saying?

But on court, I think Edwards has the best on court shoe right now. And I don't think it's close. And can he's really he's really marketing. He's pushing it.

He's pushing. He's known for his interviews at least a couple of years ago. I know he was known for having these hilarious interviews and stuff like that. So he has a personality that helps sell it.

He just got to win. And I think the biggest and they're winning. But now you got to get to the playoffs and now you got to go off. Kobe has the best-selling shoe in basketball.

If there's a list of basketball shoes, Kobe's kicks are always going to be at the top of it. He's known for the night. Kobe's six, pro-tro. Other than Joey, those are the ones that Kobe's, Kyrie's and Kevin Durant's.

Kevin Durant's, yeah. Kyrie's was up there too. You all know LeBron is like number one active. Not shoe deals.

Not as far as shoe sales. Even on rock with bronze. I just thought he had a line in the refs, I think it'll rock with bras in the gloves. No.

Was that down? That was down Kennedy. Kevin Durant. Yeah, Kobe.

Kobe's sixes. All right. Well, y'all in the show. I'm definitely not.

So LeBron is up there. He's second. Derrick Rose is up there. I remember Derrick Rose.

I was working at for a lot of the time. Derrick Rose Adidas came out. They had a huge marketing behind it. Derrick Rose was supposed to be.

No, I'm not. He was supposed to be that guy. When he got hurt that year, it came crashing down, but they put everything. Adidas put their whole weight on his back.

I remember they said, oh, she was out. They gave everybody shoes and they really created it. And again, he was going to be facily. People talked about Derrick Rose.

He just wasn't. So me and one of my homies on the listen, he sent me this thing from amazehoot.com. No injuries who has the best NBA career. T-Mac, B-Rose, Brandon Roy, Yaw Minga, Grant Hill.

I saw that. What are the choices one more time? T-Mac, B-Rose, Brandon Roy, Yaw Minga, Grant Hill. I was still sitting there.

I said, right. I said, right. I said, right. I said, right.

I said, right. I was still sitting there. I said, right. Grant Hill.

I said, right. I can see B-Rose. B-Rose. I see Grant Hill too though.

Couple of reasons. Number one, youngest MVP ever. And we're talking in LeBron's prime. So let's not make slight of that.

And then number two, he's the only player I see rival LeBron's athleticism. In LeBron's prime. We talk in Miami LeBron and D-Rose was breaking down D-Wade dunking on Joel Anthony, breaking down LeBron. There was no break.

He was special. He was special. To me, he was the most special. Yeah, he was.

He was. You know what? He was like, he was like 26. Man, when I was on, he was going into the league.

He was going into the league. He was going into the league. The difference, when they play UNLV in this college, we just talk about college, then UNLV team demolished Duke by 30. Duke had nothing.

Only they had it the next year was Graham Hill. And you were not even talking to him. You were not talking to him. You were not talking to him.

You were not talking to him. You were not talking to him. No, no, he played. He played.

He played on the court. He played on the court. So that second time, the only thing they had was Graham Hill. I mean, UNLV team, they should not have lost.

Then he went to the league and was special. I mean, he was special. He was special. He dropped him from being that guy.

100%. All right. So I give, and all of these players would have been great. And look, I would.

No, Graham Hill was great. We'll talk about Graham Hill. But let's stick on Graham Hill real quick. Graham Hill and Penny Cardaway was the evolution of basketball.

When those two guys got into the league, it was like, oh, okay, well, we've been watching, looks old and these guys look completely different. Because Graham Hill, I'm not going to give him props for the crossover, but Graham Hill got into the league crossing the likes of Pitt. He was making dudes jump way to the right. He crossed the line.

Like, we ain't never seen that. You know what I'm saying? So from Graham Hill is one of those people. You know what I'm saying?

But for me, it's still D-Rows because Jordan was on the decline at that point in time. You know what I'm saying? Still winning championships. But from a physical perspective, he could have run with Graham.

He wasn't jumping with Graham. The Jordan was the back down. When it's your wife or fade away, Jordan. You know what I'm saying?

He wasn't running the jumping like he once was. That's why I say D-Rows was in the league with a prime LeBron and matched him athletically from a wins perspective. They had the number one team in the East. They had the number one defense.

And he was the reason why they even had an offense. He's the reason why they scored so to me is D-Rows. Now, B-Roy. We talking Kobe 2.0?

Yeah. Like that dude was Kobe 2.0. He was sick. That's mental.

Yeah. They may have no knee cartilage, bro. They knew that coming into the league. B-Roy was a big boy.

He was the worst little injury. No worse than him. Yeah, your boy's good. Yeah.

He's better though. Yeah. Yeah. That was the biggest miss because I, like I said, Brandon Miller, I mean, he's been balling.

Yeah, he's been balling. We was wrong because we was like, they should have took school. Yeah, you look even, but the I-TES told us 100%. We saw what Scoop could do.

We saw Scoop battle win. We saw him hoop. He was balling. Like he looked apart.

And even in the workouts, he looked apart. Brandon Miller looks shaky down the stretch. He looks shaky ever since the situation that happened with the stuff. And even though some of you, it's like, man, what in the world do we do?