We like to call it the Supernatural Hour and now our host. Hey, welcome to the Supernatural Hour Podcast. This is your host Ravenweil. I'm just like really loud there for a second.
Sorry. And what's giving me this look like? What in the actual heck? Well, this is this is Emmet.
Am I that loud? No, when your mouth is way closer to the microphone too. This is Chad. And this is Jess.
So guess what time of the year it is? School supply time. School supply time. I bought mini composition notebook simply because they're adorable.
They're like the size of a playing card. I don't need a bunch of notebooks and pens and stuff for my class. I have wishes of science things like a block that has dead bugs in it. I know Amazon.
My name should be Hermione. I like school. No comments. Chad, just check this out.
Okay. No, you're not to the back to school podcast. Sorry, you're at the Supernatural Hour Podcast. We mentioned that before.
So Chad, give us the business. Business. We've got an investigation coming up. It's at Mercury Cemetery.
Coming up very soon. Hopefully we can get that. That's August 6th at 830 at the Mercury Cemetery. And I love the Mercury Cemetery.
Mercury Cemetery is probably one of my favorite investigations just because it's so well, not just because. But one of the reasons is it's so far out in the boonies that, I mean, you can't get a whole lot of background noise pollution. And when she says out in the boonies, she means really out in the boonies. And it's a primitive cemetery.
It has been, there's no grass. It's sage brush. It's brush. It's dirt.
It's metal snakes. It's metal snakes. It sounds like a milk fork cemetery. Yeah.
Have you been there yet? I have not been out there. But the milk fork we did, right? That's the milk fork is one too.
That's the one on the hillside. So I've never investigated milk fork, but I've driven past it. Can't you see it from SRC? Yeah, right from the highway.
It's super old. Yeah. That you just drive up to it, you get out of your car. This one you actually have to have a pretty...
You've got to go walking in. Yeah, it's uphill. It's not a long walk, but it's a pretty good walk uphill. It's a quarter of a mile.
I would call it a... And then it's a steep trail. In the dark. Yeah, we'll be there after dark.
The gravel snakes. Yeah. I don't know, I don't know. It's not a stranny's hike.
It's not a flat trail. It's a few hundred yards. Yeah, probably a quarter of a mile. Okay.
It's a lot longer when you're hauling a ten gallon bucket of paint. Oh, geez. Yeah. Which I did.
Last summer we did a service project there and we fixed up a lot of the old... The fences around some of the graves and the bore back road off... Backcountry, off road, adventure rally. Rally.
They came out and forced and really helped and did a great job. We continue to appreciate their help. Really cool. Yeah, in fact, I don't even remember who it was, but some other group posted a picture that they've been out there doing something and I saw are freshly painted, pickets in the back.
Yeah, that looks good. But it was really cool. I mean, it was a great service project that we did last May, not this last May before. And it was a coming out of COVID adventure.
It was great. Yeah, it was good. Neat. So that's it for the business.
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People listen and you're like, she's not gonna go there again. We're gonna hear this. Today's topic is on necromancy. And I have to tell you.
I had a moment. I had a moment where I kind of confused necromancy with necrophilia. And I was like, online they did say that was a common problem. So I was like, should we really be talking about necrophilia?
And then as I pondered it, I thought, yeah, nothing wrong with talking about it. But it's not tonight. That's like the midnight podcast. Well, we'll do that some other time.
But today is necromancy, not necrophilia. So I'm not gonna confuse like I did. That's like I got really excited when I was told I was gonna become a sex-engineerian four years ago. And it turned out to be nothing like I imagined.
Nothing. You're highly disappointed there? Yeah, 60th birthday. Yeah, that's it.
So basically, when it comes to necromancy, there are some people that just don't even want to go there at all. Because it can be a very dark topic. And so, you know, when it comes to researching for podcasts, we don't like it to be super structured because we don't want it to sound super structured. We want it to just be fun.
We want to have a discussion. Sometimes we bounce all over the place. We do. Depending on the topic, sometimes we'll try to streamline it a little bit.
But it's a little more fun to bounce around a little bit. So I'm gonna start by bouncing around. I wasn't done. Hang on just a second.
Well, you wanted to bounce? Well, we're not bouncing yet. She didn't throw the ball for bouncing. I still have the ball.
I can't bounce either, so. Now I forgot what I was gonna say. Okay, that's bounced to me. Okay, fine.
About the positives and negatives thing. Oh, yes. Yes. I'm the topic go back to her.
She's the old me. What do they call me back in the day? Granny Cinnamon. No.
What in the world? Oh my gosh, I'm taking you off. I gotta hear the story behind that. I wanted to nickname and that's the nickname they gave me because it was my extra per name, but I'm old.
Granny Cinnamon. And I hated it. That's such a good podcast. It's out there now.
Again. And it's trying to give me one really hard. Honestly. It's gonna make fly.
Okay. Just FYI. When it comes to necromancy, I'm coming at it from the angle of it's bad and it's not something that should be done. Very dangerous, very dark.
I am not a proponent of necromancy. All right, now we will throw the ball to the chat. Okay, so what necromancy is, the definition, is the practice of magic that centers on the communication with the dead. So that's necromancy.
So from that kind of a definition, that broad definition, a lot of what we do ghost hunting could be considered necromancy. Closet necromancers. That's right. Because we communicate with the dead.
You know, with your dousing rods. With the things that we do with the different devices and boxes we're trying to get. Pendulums. Yeah, we're trying to get things.
So in a way, we are performing necromancy. Okay. I'm gonna play the devil's advocate. Because you're going to the dark side.
No. Well, probably. But I'm probably gonna go to hell. So bring me cookies.
I'll probably be there with you. So when I look at the definition, it was using magic or black magic to communicate with the dead through summoning or raising from the dead. So in my opinion, there's a little bit of a caveat. I do not do necromancy.
Because you're not raising the dead or using black magic to. Because I'm not summoning or raising. Okay. So I mean, and again, it's, you know, how you want to look at it.
Jess will have something to say about that. I'm sorry, but the science teacher says, well, one thing I wanted to say, because I was like, why do people want to do this, especially in the modern times? Because I looked out of the history and actually went on Reddit because everyone talks about everything there. And someone was saying like, Hey, I'm interested in this.
How do you like do this? What do I do to do this? And the person answering was like, well, what did your intent? Do you want to work with your, with the afterlife?
Do you want to work with your ancestors? Do you want to honor the beloved deceased? All this stuff. And she was like, keep this in mind.
Everything remember is that the dead are not your tools. The dead are not your tools. She said, no, I've known some beginner necromancers that have tried to use the deceased to build power and throw ghostly curses at people. If you want to curse someone, that's well and good, but wandering into a graveyard, nabbing some dirt without permission or proper respect and then throwing it at someone, it didn't end well.
So there's a lot more to it. I can get into a little bit, but basically you're saying like, you have so much respect for the dead, actually, for it. So well, and one thing kind of to catapult off of that is that, you know, it says most of the places that I read anyway said, you know, necromancy is very dangerous. And there's two reasons why it's very dangerous first is because if you're actually raising the dead, which I believe only God can do, but they're pissed off.
They've died. They've lived their life, whether it was long or whether it was cut off short tragic, but they're at peace. And you wake them up and you disturb them. And you know, the idea behind necromancy is if you've raised them, then you have control over them and you can have them inflict stuff on living people.
And they don't want to be called in the living world. They don't want to be ordered around because they want to rest in peace. So that's the one reason. The other reason is are you actually raising the dead or are you just summoning a demon that's pretending to be the dead?
And that's not good either. Half the people that get into this like on a whim, you know, they don't know what they're doing anyway and opening doors that they have no idea what they're opening. And half of them probably just heard about it the day before. That's about, wow, cool.
Yeah, exactly. I am at the mindset. I'm 100% convinced and you'll never convince me otherwise that necromancy is all summoning spirits because I do believe that the only person that can actually raise someone from the dead is the God. Well, this right here kind of they were talking about how like the modern version of it now is working with the energy of the dead, reanimation like that way, just talking to their spirits and bringing them forth.
It tries to weigh the brutality and discretion of burial sites. So they're kind of doing more of the spirit side than the actual body parts. So maybe the definition is sort of changed to a modern way. Or is this necromancy light?
I mean, they're saying it's like the actual ones they have it in Afro-Brazilian, I think it's said like cultures. So it's apparently still a thing in more of that like older sense, but I think in like in America or wherever like we have more of a modern version of that and they're kind of translating over to like well, along with connecting with spirits, if you're going to do things like a pendulum or a dowsing rod or things like that. So I don't know. Yeah.
What I think is interesting is you see necromancy, it's very, very popular in the area. In movies and I just wrote down the first three that came to my head and I'm sure as we sit here, we can come up with more, but Lord of the Rings. Yes, Seron was one of his titles was the necromancer. And a little bit more on that was in I think it's Tales of the Middle Earth, which was some of the documentation that Colcan had written that then had been compiled by his son and wrote more information about Middle Earth and those things he actually goes into it because in the original Lord of the Rings, he's Seron's given the title of necromancer, but they never talk about him using necromancy itself specifically, but they did say in the notes that Colcan had and that his son produced from Tales of the Middle Earth was that that was one of the things that he did was he would pull the spirits up and enslave them and take their knowledge.
Right. So the other one that came to mind and you have to, in Lord of the Rings, and you have to help me remember, because I watch movies and it's fun and then I forget about it. So help me here. But remember in Lord of the Rings when Frodo and Samwise are going through the marshes and they see all the people down in the water?
Yep. All the dead guys. Did he decompose? Right.
Did that documentary? Did they come back to life to fight or am I getting that confused with Harry Potter where there's people floating in the water that do come up and try to grant them? Well, I remember a video game with that too. So I think that whole theme is- Grabby's spirit arms.
Yeah, out of the water. I don't remember in Lord of the Rings that they actually animate, but I do think that the hobbits were drawn into the water and then got entangled, but I don't think that the bodies actually animated to get them, but they did get tangled up and then as they got pulled in. Oh, Gollum was trying to trap them in there, right? Yeah.
Well, then obviously the next one is Harry Potter when Harry and I think it was his book Five, Harry and Dumbledore, they're trying to find the Horcrux when they go into the cave and swim across and Dumbledore says don't touch the water and he touches the water and then all the dead people in the water come to life. So there's necromancy right there. And then also the mummy. The mummy where all the- Well, they say like zombie related movies.
Not all zombies because you know, some are like from diseases, but ones that it's like started from coming alive from whatever spiritual thing. Right. Yeah, you can go way back on the zombie movies along those lines and James Bond, Liverler Let Die back in the 70s or early 80s. There was a lot of about zombies and the necromancy and the raising of the dead.
Yeah. Well, and you can even argue, you know, our vampires necromancy because they're dead. No, they're dead or they're just unlitting. They're dead.
I'm just throwing that out there. That's why there's so many interesting ways to like decipher it or how you want to say it is. That's why some people are like, I'm kind of okay with it because I think of it this way and they were like, I'm not okay with it because I think of it that way. Now, one thing before we get too far away from it is it does say don't confuse necromancy with conjuring demons and spirits.
In my mind, that's one of the same, but in some people's minds there's a difference between reanimating the dead and conjuring of the spirit. Well, and if you go back to some of the original Greek accounts of necromancy, which were some of the earliest in Homer's Odyssey, I think it was Odysseus. One of the things that he was required to do or he did was he needed to get information from the dead. And again, it wasn't looked at as an evil or dark practice at that point, but it was a way to get information from someone that had it that had passed on.
And there was a right called K-E-K-Y-I-A where the dead are called upon to help tell the future and that was the practice or the right that they did in the Odyssey. And as I said, it was originally not seen as a dark form of magic, but just as a way to gain information. Right. So necromancy in general is based on a belief that the dead know everything can be commanded to do bidding and perform magical acts on living.
And actually in ancient Greece, it wasn't called necromancy, it was called evocators because it literally meant color of souls. So they're working with like the spirit. So maybe it's kind of leaning towards that spirit energy conversation. It's more of the summoning.
No, I'm reminded of that scene in Beetlejuice where they call it. They call it the Maitland's Forest, remember? And I mean, that fits the definition of necromancy. Or maybe literally saying his name three times and he came to life.
Or in Men in Black when the aliens were in the eggersuit. Ew, that's the eggersuit. That's the eggersuit. That's the eggersuit.
That's one of my favorite. My friend, I used to imitate like those people talking with the gross skin face. So an eggersuit might not be, I guess it was reanimating. That would probably be a little more zombie like though.
So one of the things is when did kind of the idea of necromancy become taboo? And from what I researched on it, they said a lot of it came from the church in the middle ages. Before then, even the church did a lot of the idea of necromancy from a standpoint of being able to communicate with the dead. And it wasn't looked down upon, I don't know what you would say, it was sanctioned, but it wasn't taboo.
But in the medieval ages, the church started looking down on it. Yeah, I have a little bit about that. It says in the middle ages, oh, after the follow-room, necromancy was strictly forbidden by the church. This of course did not stop its practice.
Surprisingly, many medieval necromancers remember the clergy who believed they were invoking the help of gods, the conjure demons, angels, and spirits. Yeah, and one of the things, they said it was called Malefecum, M-A-L-E-F-I-C-I-U-M. Malefum witchcraft, and it was an act of witchcraft with the intent of doing harm. That was when the church really started coming down on it and making necromancy a taboo practice.
Right. So I found this part of it interesting. You remember I said I was going to come at it from the angle of don't do this, it's bad. In the book of Samuel in the Old Testament, there's actually a famous story about necromancy where King Saul of Israel, he's going to have this big fight with the Philistines and they're supported by David.
Right. And so Saul prayed, asked for guidance and divination from prophets. He didn't get any answers. So finally, he turned to necromancy and consulted a witch of Indoor.
And it said she was a python-esque, which sounds kind of interesting. So he visited her in disguise and she did her ritual and conjured the prophet Samuel apparently from the dead. So this ghost comes and he appears to Saul, aerobic as an old man and he's pissed off because he was called from his grave. And the ghost only had bad news for Saul.
He says hey, the Philistines are going to win. David's going to be king. Saul, you and your sons are going to be killed and then the ghost win that to sleep. And she would have prophesied the next day.
That's what happened. He was badly wounded. He committed suicide with his own sword. David became a king visual.
So... Yeah, one of the interesting things with necromancy, it's known in both Christian, Jewish and Arabic cultures. You know, and the teacher's teaching centered around necromancy is in all of those cultures. And three things that they kind of believe can be achieved through necromancy, the practices, the gain of knowledge, making illusions and the ability to manipulate the will of others.
Right. And so, the Python interesting was even back in the times where it was pretty popular, Plato condemned it. He called it a fraudulent practice and called for harsh, you know, really harsh punishments for people who practiced it. He said necromancy, well, this isn't verbatim.
Okay. Necromancy is not really someone that's dead but engaged in tricks. And then Christian opponents say that any spirit that appears is not the dead but a demon masquerading as dead. Which I tend to think more so.
I tend to think that that's more what it is. It makes me think about like back in the day what they were saying it was and how today they're saying it's something a little different. And words like that, like can we change the definition of things over time and consider something else or because that word originated from that type of thing isn't always that. And people are just trying to be like, no, really it's fine because I just do this instead.
Well, if things can be brought into existence just by sheer number of people, you know, thinking about it. And so obviously things can change over time too, I would think. Well, one of the things that kind of, you know, brought that I thought about while researching this is in the documentary Aladdin, the Disney version with Robin Williams and the genius for telling Aladdin you got three wishes, the other rules you can't make anybody fall in love, you can't raise the dead. You know, I mean, there's two signs, sorry, Jeannie, I'm not raising the dead.
Yeah. Yeah. You remember that Simpson's episode where the kids come home and Homer's watching TV and you want to ask him something and he's asking him, you know, said, did you raise the dead? No, okay.
I don't care what you're doing. Oh, they're mad. As long as you're fed, you get home alive. Just don't raise the dead.
Well, I'm at you were talking a little bit about a book, the Necronomicon. Oh, the Necronomicon. Talk a little bit about that because I thought that was interesting what you were saying. Yeah, that's a book that just keeps popping up, you know, as you dig into it online.
And it turns out that it's really a fictitious book. It was a product of HP Lovecraft's imagination. And you know, he encouraged other writers to write about his mythos and his world. And the other writers also referred to the book over time.
I'm trying to think, oh, geez, I'm having a senior moment now. But back in the 80s, I worked for an amateur press that was devoted to that genre, Lovecraft writings and writings based on his mythos. And for a couple of years, I would do illustrations for this. And I just remember the Necronomicon popping up at some of these stories time after time after time to the point where it's assumed that it's a real book and publishers have put out books they've called the Necronomicon and apparently no two publishers is the same.
You know, so be careful if you find a copy of a book with that title because know that it's something that does not, you know, date antiquity. It's a product of the 20th century. Well, then it also like bled into Dungeons and Dragons and it's super exactly when you look this stuff up, it's like Dungeons and Dragons. What about this folklore of Dungeons and Dragons?
True. I played Dungeons and Dragons in the early 70s too. And even then, you know, you heard mention of it. Yeah.
And some of the other, you know, Dungeons and Dragons, some of the modern folklore around Necromancy and these things, we talked about Harry Potter and we talked about Lord of the Rings. A couple of others are like Mortal Kombat. In Mortal Kombat, there's Shang-Song and Wang Shui who are warlocks and sorcerers and they raised the dead to make armies for their master to do their bidding. Again, Harry Potter, Lord of Ultimort raising an entire army of dead skeletons and zombies during the first Wizarding War, which consisted mostly of those whom he had already murdered.
Games of Thrones, the Night King and the White Walkers. Oh, I forgot about Games of Thrones. Lots of modern. Makes really good stuff for TV, is really.
Yeah. And the idea of it, I don't have a problem with on like a fictional basis because it's kind of cool. Oh yeah. They, you know, you think about it.
What an awesome adversary. You go and you wipe out your enemy and he raises all the people you just killed. And out of my team. It's like, what an antagonist.
What someone that, you know, how do you, how do you deal with that? I do have issues with people doing it in real life. No. So.
Well, you notice the recurring theme in all of it is it's used to control something. Control somebody else or control destiny or control your own fate. Or get information that you're not privy to. Yeah.
Something you shouldn't normally have. Yeah. So it's always, you know, not the purest of intentions. Right.
If you're leaning towards that power, having power and making something do something, when you're doing like, you know, the dowsing rods in a way, it's not that way because you're asking like, hey, is anyone here to talk or it's more of like on, if you'd like, instead of like forcing. Not compelling any spirit. Or somebody. Or, yeah.
And I think, I think Raven, where you're talking about it from, you know, no, we don't, we don't do so many. We don't use the Ouija boards. We don't do things that bring things into our venues. We don't encourage.
We're not inviting it. No incantations or seances or. I mean, it might be issues behind it or one. Again, I believe that only God or people that have actual authority from God, like Jesus, you know, prophets.
Can race the dead? Can race the dead. Two. I mean, you're bugging them.
Leave them alone. Three. I just think that, you know, if you are raising the dead, I think it's an evil spirit and I don't have to go to any business lesson with it. So it's interesting.
I mean, it is fascinating. I just don't want to do it and I don't want to encourage anybody to do it. And. So this is a recommendation not to do it.
Correct. But it is an interesting topic to talk about. Now, that being said, I'm going to give you some scripture. Oh.
And I found this interesting. There's actually, I found a website that says there's 28 scriptures that have to do with necromancy. About half of them, I was like, I think you were a distraction for a good big number. So you're not going to get 28.
But I say at 819. Are we going to make a list? Yes. The list gets longer every time, have you noticed?
Hey, I said I took half of these. And I'm not going to read all of them. I just thought it was interesting. So 28 is the amended list?
Your segment should be list of the day. I need new friends. Okay. So I say at 819 says, when I say to you, consult the mediums and spiritists who whisper in letter should not have people consult their God.
Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living? So it sounds like Isaiah's not too keen on it. Deuteronomy, there shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or daughter pass to the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens or sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. So for whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable things, the Lord your God will drive them out before you turn off this podcast because you do witchcraft, or a medium or spiritist.
We have discussed this before. You know, there are spiritual gifts, and I don't want to count anybody's spiritual gifts. I think a lot has to do with intent and how you use those gifts. And those are mentioned in scripture too, but as a positive thing.
Right. So Samuel says, seek for me a woman who is a medium, but I may go to her and inquire of her in his servant city and the holders of a medium and end or we talked about that story. Deuteronomy, one who casts a spell or a medium or a spiritualist who calls up the dead. So again, don't turn the podcast off.
Also in Deuteronomy, I've not eaten a bit one morning, nor have I removed any of it while I was unclean or offended of nor offered any of it to the dead. I was one that was really cool. Where'd it go? That's on Jim's frogs.
Wolf rocks are cool. They're green. Hang on. Blue, spotted, yellow.
Are these like Old Testament or New Testament? Most of them are old. My question is if you, the one they emit was referring to, is that New Testament because it's like kind of a little bit different, like saying like, you know, your gifts are good with spiritual gifts, but then again, don't do this stuff. So sometimes like old to New Testament, sometimes it kind of redefines some things.
I could be wrong because I'm literally a literal. It was Corinthians. Yeah, these are about half and half. So this one.
Frog sounds like Old Testament to me. Probably coming from the sky. So this is Corinthians. No wonder for even Satan, this guy is himself as an angel of light.
So that, you know, an evil spirit, a demonic city. And he's the master of deceit. Right, can, you know, appear as something else. And I say again, then the spirits of the Egyptians will be demoralized within them and I will confound their strategy so they will resort to idols and ghosts of the dead.
I lost the frog one. That was the coolest one. Oh, here it is. Exodus, you're right, Old Testament.
Does it get much older than Exodus? Most frogs are in Exodus, I think. So here's the first one. The Pharaoh called for the wise men and the sorcerers and they also the magicians of Egypt did the same with their secret arts.
And then also in Exodus, eight, seven, magicians did the same with their secret arts, making frogs come up on the line of Egypt. Are there a lot of frogs in the desert areas or something? Because I feel like we live in Utah, Utah, New Testament, and we have a toad that has lived under our trampoline for years. But frogs are in the water and there's not a lot of water, right?
And there's the Nile. Okay, yeah. They live by the Nile. Everybody lives in the middle.
That's true. Why is there a frog there? The Nile is, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty awesome when we were there.
I mean, just, you know, they'd have the marshes along the Nile. That was surreal. I'm like, I'm in the middle of the Nile River. We're Queens.
I know. We're Patrick. Did you feel like you're in a movie? Yeah, actually kind of like Indiana Jones style situation.
Especially when the belly dancer was dancing. You know, I tried to get, I had some awesome pictures of her. I thought that when I went to look for him, I decided on stupid one with her face covered. Those belly dancers are amazing.
Yeah, and the whirling dervish. That's amazing too. I would have thrown up after about three seconds and he can't go on for about like 20 minutes. Yeah, if you ever get a chance to see a whirling dervish, it's pretty amazing.
Is that a spinning dancer person? I didn't know that they were real. Yeah. Whirling dervish?
Okay, we're going off topic. It's not me after three minutes. Just a minute. Whirling dervishes are a soupy order of Muslims.
Kind of like they're Muslim mystics. And Muslim mystics, right? It sounded like Muslim mystics. And I didn't know what a Muslim mystic was.
Muslim. Sounds like a theater troupe. Like mystic likes. Like a minstical?
Okay, men don't listen. Okay, they can't decipher awesome speed of talking. I know. I just want to tell them to talk fast.
Got to get all that. Is there three minutes? No, my three minutes. Oh, it hasn't even been a full minute.
I have to explain whirling dervishes because they're cool. So it's a soupy order of Muslim mystics. And they're actually like banned on the Arabian Peninsula. So they don't like you.
But they feel like you communicate with God through dancing and whirling. And they feel like you can get like a John Denver. This is the Grateful Dead. Like a natural high by spinning.
They're just literally spinning in space really fast. Yeah, I mean they spin and they dance. So that's cool. I mean, it's like I've seen it and I knew what it was.
They were kind of the dome hat and they got the big ground. And it's actually a way that they communicate with God. It's a religious practice. I really just practice.
I've heard the expression. I always thought it was something mythological or like a Tasmanian devil or something. I thought it was just dancing tradition. They were quite the warriors also.
They were fantastic warriors. They were one of the leading regiments during the Ottoman period, early on the Ottoman period. I didn't research it. So I'm just remembering from class last semester.
But the other thing that's really interesting about them, just went away. Well, they're dancing reminds me of like native indigenous people. Their dances are definitely talking to spirits like they're like a lot of a point. Yeah.
So maybe that's you know, it's a more normal thing. What else was I supposed to say? Not normal because it is normal. Not that they weren't here.
There's something else called that I don't remember. But they were fantastic warriors. And for a while they were like the Sultan's main warriors. And I've got a tangent to go off that.
Christmas on you're a mean one, Mr. Grinch is sung by the Whirly Nervishes. But they weren't Whirly Nervishes. It's like a thing strolled in me.
Yes. That's going to be bad. No, I remember. So this is a lot of people know the poet Rumi.
Are you M.I. Okay. I'm not one of those people. Well, none of us are.
Go ahead. You get to be the knowledge. If you are listening to this and you know who Rumi is, then thank you for being into poetry. No, he's really, really popular.
And I bet you know a lot of the things that you don't realize it. But Rumi, he's the one that kind of started the Whirly Nervishes. Okay. So if you're cultured and you realize who Rumi is, you will appreciate that.
I just offended the entire room. We're not cultured, sorry. Where does that come from? Oh, that's just from Toy Story.
I like using that. You're uncultured swine. Which one? One.
Two or three. One. Yeah. So you have the documentary.
Yeah. Culture. You can watch this on there. It is exactly been three minutes.
Good job. See how good I am? Okay. Did we finish the necromancy?
Yeah, I got nothing. That's it for the crew. Don't do it. Don't do it.
Don't do it. Be curious, but don't do it. I mean, you know, revere your dead, but just let them be dead. Don't summon them.
Don't summon them for the wrong, yeah, for any reason. Any reason. Yeah, just communicate with them, but. Wait till the resurrection.
You can chat with them then, okay. When you get resurrected right alongside them. If they're around to chat and you can ask them. But I can still use my oveless, right?
Now that's asking and they're choosing. Maybe they're around because they got something to say. I'm at your shirt. Same.
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So I saw you brought a book today. Is that part of your segment? Well, actually it is. What we're going to talk about today is how to avoid picking up dust on your night vision videos and thinking it's an orb.
You want to like that? Now unfortunately for us, the easiest way to illuminate your night vision camera is with a little light that just clips right on the camera. Unfortunately, the infrared. Infrared.
Yep, the night vision. Yeah. Unfortunately with that light so close to the lens, that is the best way to turn a piece of dust into an orb when it's illuminated very close to the lens like that. Now if you're walking through a place at night, there's not a lot you can do.
You can mount the camera on a little bar and try to offset your light. Give yourself a little bit of space. A little bit of distance. In video production, they use three point, what's called three point lighting.
You have the main light which is slightly above and behind the camera which is the main illumination for your subject. Then you have a side light which is generally from the other side of the camera that the main light is on and it's a little less intense and then they'll do a back light which is down from behind the subject and that kind of gives the subject a little bit of depth. But all these lights are away from the camera and that actually is a good way to go. If you have a static camera for instance in a location, you don't want to have your light source right next to it.
And a lot of these security cameras that people use actually have the luminators in a little ring right around the camera lens. Yeah. So if you look off, if there's a piece of dust right in front of that lens, it's going to be out of focus because these are focused a fair distance away from the lens and it's going to look just like an orb. And the same thing happens with our camcorders.
So the best thing to do if you can, disable the lights on that and just get a little, you know, we use these all the time battery powered infrared light sources. Put it a few feet away from the camera and maybe one or two of these side lighting the scene and you'll reduce the dust orb percentage quite a bit. Like I say, not a lot you can do if you're just out investigating other than what I've seen some people do is they'll wear like a shoulder harness with a light on one shoulder and they'll hold the camera on the other shoulder. And if you try to give them some distance, get some distance between them and that helps a lot also.
If you're going to be in like one room or a space for like most of the time, then maybe you want to set up the lighting better that way. Yeah, but it's easy. Yeah. I want to be able to have them set mounted on some tripods and you can kind of carry them around with you.
If you've got somebody to help you haul gear, a lot of things become easier. Yeah. Well, and the thing about orbs and we've mentioned this a time or two here and there on podcast, but you know, people will send us orb pictures all the time and say, Oh, look at all these ghosts. Photographs are really hard with orbs.
Yeah, you send a photograph. I'm just going to tell you, I don't know because if I am taking the picture myself and I see, you know, a little ball of light, do things and move in ways that aren't bugs that aren't dust and I can't explain it, then I'll go, you know, because you can tell a bug and I'll tell this, you know, when we do public investigations, it's like, you know, you want to kind of see what the dust flow is in the room. And if it's, you know, floating with the dust, it's just reflection off of a dust bag. Bugs tend to be cigar shaped and they move like bugs.
These things, I know that sounds stupid. They move like bugs, but they kind of zigzag. You've seen flies fly before. You've seen bugs.
But what you're looking for is an orb that moves not with the flow of dust and doesn't move like bugs. And you know, they only send you stills. How often do they ever send you two or three stills of the same place? Yeah, you always say take a dream.
So you have nothing to compare it to. So if I post an orb picture or, you know, like on TikTok, it's because I saw it with my naked eye moving in a way that wasn't natural because I've got people who don't know what it's just dust. It's like, I get where you're coming from, but I saw this with my own eyeballs. Yeah.
And Benson, when I showed, I think I meant sent to you the pictures that I took of that doorway. And I kept taking many, many, many, it was like getting bogger, it was like weird, like mist fogger, fogger, and then it was like gone. So it's like I wouldn't be able to see all that had I not taken like multiple pictures, whatever that was. Right.
Yeah, there's something about being there and seeing it yourself. But if someone descends me random orb shots, it's like, I don't want to just mentally know because I don't know. Yeah. So just be careful as, you know, when you light your scene, just remember that these things have a limited depth of focus.
And if your light source is very close to the lens and it looks like dust, it probably is or even it is like probably is. I think that's one of the main things that you talked about, things that behave like dust following in the same floor, the same flow or bugs that are doing bug like things. And if you're seeing orbs everywhere, it's probably dust. Yeah.
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