So we are going back now. Hey everyone and welcome to a new episode of the Nerdy of North podcast. It's a Nerdy podcast hosted by Northern Nerd and one of your hosts Sam. I'm the other host Paul and today we are joined by the book nerd queen herself, which is Charlotte.
So yes, we are taking a little bit of an offbeat truck. Shall we see it? How about it? I don't know.
Well, that's it. We have a Nerdy of North community and the Nerdy of North Book Club coming as one. It was one. That's it.
Did you wet? You wet? Well, yes. It's really interesting one.
So like we've had the book like like when I'm next to the group of a while and talk about books and this is one of the ones that has come up a few times, maybe once or twice shall we say. I know Sammy hasn't read the full book yet. So I do apologize. We are going to show you the show.
And that's fine. And that's absolutely fine because I did watch the TV series. So I don't feel like I'm having a lot ruined for us. And I don't see it as being ruined.
I thoroughly enjoyed when we did the Harry Potter episode. So I'm hoping like it's going to be the same kind of thing like you're going to make as one and not as much as I cannot put this down at the moment. Anyway, you're going to get this to the finish point. So do you know what I mean?
I'm excited about this one. Cool. So before we get started as well, let's see, I'm not prepared to see it. I mean, it's well, I think before time you get to the disclaimer of the week, it was something I wanted to quite get out there and see it.
I know you guys don't know about this. So I do apologize. So I'm sorry. Um, because with this being on the back of mental health week, there's a lot of things going on.
There's a lot of people struggling out there. And there's a lot of people that need help and just please, if you do need help, reach out, get support. There's places in Guo-Lu taught a friend, start a family. Even taught at strangers on the internet.
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So, yes. We'll get the disclaimer. And then, then, shall we have the boss for today? Yes, we are.
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Do you know what I'm doing? I'm doing a funny part. Yes, I do. If I do it in the funny part, you can see it better.
So, yes. So, this is an epic book. It is one of the ones where I would say you pick up and you cannot put down. And all, well, not mention slightly, there was a version of mead for TV, which did part of the book just to show you.
But if you like fantasy, if you like mythology, and if you just like Neil Gibbons, right, as well, because he has got style, and it's a very good style. But this was one of one of my favorite books that I've read. And I've read a few. And I don't really go back to all the many books.
And I can pick up this one and just reread it. It always feels brand new to me. Well, as we are in a boot club session, I came with my boot. I was like, I think I'll have a seat.
It just says, you know, that's what you're doing. Boot club meetings don't yet. You have you have a copy of your boot gear. I've got a single note there.
Just throw it out there. Just throw it out there. But yeah, again, like they had this whole special place in my heart. I'm forgotten when I picked up.
I think, because I knew I've never where. Because I watched the TV show as a kid. And then he made it never where on the back of, wasn't happy with how I never where I was portrayed. Because the boot came after the TV show, which was kind of like a weird one.
And so then, actually, I think this was his next one. After that, I'm our wrong child. I don't know what could be saying. It was a roundabout, I think, this was written 92001-ish.
It's in the front. In the front. It's in the front. 2001-ish?
Yeah, it was the first one that I was 20 years old. Yeah. So I mean, it was most published in 2010, but it was actually written in the talk about two years, right? I'm not surprised.
Like, look at the thickness of that. All about the girl. And you know what, though, when I picked this up, and it's not as intimidating as it, because when I picked it up, I'm like, oh, god, how many pages? Look how thick that boot is.
This one was not intimidating at the value. And quite honestly, I mentioned to Charlotte, I wanted to read Northamology book. I got a Neil Gaiman book, put straight in my hand. And then instantly had two other Neil Gaiman books put straight in my hand by Paul and Charlotte.
So I got a new one on Friday. I'm very much into it now. Definitely. But I think with this, I see someone introduced us to the actual American gods.
And I think I used to read it going to work on the bus to work. It used to be like a 45-minute bus journey down and back. And I look forward to getting up and going to work, just starting to pick up this book and read. It's not just the story.
It's the story's interesting, but the characters, you fall in love with these characters. Like each and every one of them, even the ones that are complex, I'll say, Bell and Ish, because there are a lot. Like, everyone's a pretty much a dick in this book. But you can see it as it is.
And like, they've only got the TV show, given the book life and faces and voices, some of them were perfect, like the Amixian as Wednesday. Absolutely. You cannot see anyone else's portrait. Perhaps I was there.
And when you read them, you hear the voice and it matches to a T. What was that? But just before we get started, I know Sammy can't really answer this one, but I'm going to ask Charlotte to drive the nuts. Who's your favorite god?
How's he going to use that? I was going to ask you that. LAUGHTER Oh. If people listen, you could see the call turning and charlotte.
I think it's got to be Mr. Wednesday. What, on the contrast of the I also love Mr. Will, because they're kind of like, very interesting.
Yeah. Yeah. The same character, just. I think that one is different.
Yeah. So who's your favorite new god in the world, God? What shall we say? New God, in the book, it's just a world where in the TV show, it's media.
Yes. That's just because of Julian Anderson. Yeah. She was in the first season of, she was absolutely brilliant.
Old God, kind of got a stuff to up with you in a vlog? Yes. I'm going to, that's the thing. I will apologize because some of these names that we have to try and pronounce, I'm not very good on names.
I was a previous podcast attendant. But Senabod was probably my favorite. Just he was so interested and powerful. And the sisters as well.
Yes. The sisters as well. The zoyuro sisters. The zoyuro sisters.
They've all got different last names. They're like something Naya or something in the last names. The ball got. Yes, because the first, I think the first names were the same.
But I'm just going to try and get the words up now. You turn now, you turn now, you mention Naya and Paul Chinaya. Yeah, the ball got, yeah. The ball got like different, yeah, I look at this as very Eastern European.
Yeah. But just to break down the story as well. And as I said, Charlotte is the boss and I'm probably getting a bit too excited and taking over a little bit here. Yeah.
But Jesse, how I would describe the book, it's a road movie. Well, the road story I click on the road between immigrants, like people that came to America and brought their beliefs. And as time goes on, you get swept aside and swept into the American life or the American dream. So the old gods, when you believe in them, it gives them power.
And as we're getting older, they start losing the power. So they're not as big as not strong. So they're having to get through life now because they're being, because the premise is, if you believe in something, it's real. So you give them thought that something is given belief and given like substance, given and with them not having that power, it kind of loses that and it starts losing the powers and losing the strength.
And it's moving on to the new gods, which is like the world media and like technology and stuff like that. But I know Neil gave him a game, he said he would, if he ever wrote a sequel, he was going to include like social media as a platform as a new god as well. So because I know he's talked about doing a sequel to American gods for years, but I know how to write this one. This is three spin off novels.
There's a Nancy Boys, which is the longest one, which is about Mr. Nancy, the Spider-Bodge. There's Mona Naga, the Glen, and this Black Dog, are all in this universe. They've all got Shadow in them or sort of links to the original one.
I don't know, I don't know if I see it go anywhere. I kind of like it as it is, but then I would like to find out how Shadow's story ends because I feel like I feel like the end of this book is the beginning of Shadow's story. Yeah, because as I mean, currently you look to learn more, but you never do. That's always the quite interesting thing you want to learn and because it keeps you guessing, because you think Shadow's going to be this god of all, or being around for years, but you never find out.
It's always like, you know, it's for T's, you know, with... You find out who he is, but when you find out who he is, he's only just found out who he is. And then the book kind of ends. Yeah, okay, I didn't even put two and two together, that he could be someone.
Like, no, honestly, please, I don't care, but I went on, like, when I watched the series and when I read the beginning, I'm like, I haven't even asked the question in my head. Why has he picked him out of all the people? Why, I haven't even asked any idea. I'm just so excited that the men, each other, I was like excited about that part.
Didn't have that, really wasn't talking stuff off the sea at times as well, but it's... I do not see it. When I'm reading Shadow, I don't see him at all. And I said to me, Mum's got a copy of it now because she is like on a Neil game and tripping trip at the minute.
And I said, you will not, you will not, the person in front of the cover, that's not your picture of Shadow, but you will definitely picture Mr. Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah. Well, yes. I can say the whole idea of it. And just the journey you go through, because as I said, it is a road, but if it was a movie, it would be a road movie.
Because everything that goes on when I visit all the big places, like the biggest ball of yarn and stuff like that, all the sideshores, because as I said, people are drawn to them because of the powers and stuff like that. But I love the like, the little side sections in the books where I know in the TV, surely, and then into the plot. But where it kind of like went off and told you about like, an old garden, how they are surviving and how they are living and how they get their worship. That was always the interesting part in the books and how they expanded on that universe.
That's what went wrong for me in the TV show, because they tried to put like that in the book, Mad Sweeney's background is explored in one of those little bits and then they sort of work that into the main show. Yeah. And that's where it lost its direction for me. Yeah.
Because in the book, there's so many rich and interesting characters, but in the show, the folks on the wrong ones, like Mad want me frozen the streets because he was almost. Oh, whoever called. I liked him having a driverism in. Yeah, he was really fantastic.
But that's not who I picture in that bossing at all. In the bossing, they just went like Hagrid, that was Harry Potter. Like that's the one. Yeah.
Big Harry Irishman with every single stereotype going. But the whole thing like, I loved about Shado was how, as I said, the hints and like the kind of pulling you along, like Wednesday kind of things and all making Shado believe that it's known and then it's known as when they're doing the bank high school. I'm not the heist when they're doing the bank on because that's all Wednesday is like these con man. Con man.
Yeah. And then little tricks and stuff and how easy even though Shado says he's never done it, he falls in and can tell the lies and comes out of his mouth in that aspect. And the whole scene in the book with Shado and Cyborg, where the play in chess was a checker's was not checkers. Checkers.
And how Shado kind of hustles him. Even though everybody's not really bothered by his own death. But the hustle in that scene in the book, but the scene's done well because the actors in the show is done well. But in the book, it's so drawn out.
It's so well written and you're left like reading page after page because you think, how's he got to get out of this situation? Because when you read it, it's just brilliant. And I say you fall in love a little bit with Shado, which I don't think you do in the day of age. No, you are not watching it for him.
And I don't know if it's because of us UK for know who he is. Because the Americans might have just been very excited. Like it's very delicious, not answering. But for us, not so much.
Within the hundreds before he was in American Gods. So it was like a totally new piece for American. Ah, right. Oh well, take that one back.
My downside with the programming itself is the first series was phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. Characters, scenery, the lot, it just worked. And they were building up for this mega wall.
It was all going to come down to it. And then you're left in the second series still and just repeating what they come on. And I give in half in the second series. I was like, I don't think I'm ever going to know the answers.
You don't have to think the book does not this mega wall. Goddammit! Well, it's played out perfectly. I don't know if you want to discuss this yet, but we'll leave it to it when it's ending.
You can't see how it could have ended any other way. Let's see what Charles Ponce is. Just in case we stepped in on tours. Because the girls were off to the set, so.
Right. Sorry, I just got excited. I'm not going to say this one. Sorry.
I'm not going to say this one. I'm not going to say this one. Actually, one of the ones that I thought was quite interesting was with Neil Gaiman being British. It was quite interesting that you chose to write this in America.
How different do you think it would be from Sunday, OK? Very, very different. Do you mean he's influenced by the actual story? Like the actual story?
Like, do you think it would still be a road trip? Like road trip story? Do you think it would still be the same? No, I think it would be completely, every aspect of it would be completely different.
Because I actually know the answer to this as well. Why you wrote this? Because I've been doing a little bit of my homework as well. They listened to a few interviews.
It was actually an immigrant himself. He moved to America in 1992. That he wanted to tell the story of how it felt to come to America. Be outside and travelling.
And he said when he wanted to write the story, he actually got in the car and drove for the back streets. He got actually, because it was before GPS and stuff, he got the maps from... He called the app maps. He called the app maps.
He actually contacted the companies who produced them. And they sent him road trips. They said, and he went through these towns that were broken down. The towns that were ghost towns.
He went through flourishing towns. And he used them as inspiration. So I think if he stayed in the UK, we wouldn't get that side of it. I think we would probably say, he did.
Well, he did do his American cards in Never Wear. Because that was London below. So obviously, he's kind of his deal. But we would never have gotten American cards if he didn't travel.
So I don't think it would be anything like that at all. Sorry. No, no, no. Can I just point out to me further, I have never seen you light up so much on this podcast, talking about this object.
You completely beamed there. There was this bright light behind it. Oh, so look at the scene. I knew something for once.
I wasn't just talking to you. You just look so happy. It's just a nice deal because when you read the book and you realised why you did it, it's a film about fucked up situations and maybe self-intellectual people believe. Be careful.
Yeah, we'll tell you anyway. Yeah, because it's so messed up. But it works in such a wonderful way. And I'm probably getting shot off of so much.
I'm so sorry. No, this one would be close. This question's all about it. Goodwill in the chat is just saying that there would be a tea, a god of tea that was set in the UK.
LAUGHTER Oh, it's not wrong. It's not just a version of Alice in Wonderland, but we'll never see. Or an Alice in Wonderland version we want to see. Oh, it's a bit of a deal.
Neil gave him doing that. Is that a car line? That was the first Neil gave me book I read. Is it worth reading the book?
I'll watch in the film before. I haven't seen the film. Is it worth reading the book first, but then watch in the film? If you're going to do book first, do the graphic novel first.
Right. OK. Oh, yeah. If you've got an analysis version of Alice in Wonderland, and you're going to fuck the friend away.
It's a very hard read. And that one, I started it. And I'm doing that wrong. I am going to finish it, but I did want to get into this one first.
I should never pick it up in the first place. But I read the first two chapters, and it isn't really hard to get into. Whereas this didn't have the hardship that I found with that book. It was, and I don't know if it's because I've seen the series, and I'm excited to get into it, because I want to know the ins and outs and the nitty gritty and all that.
I just found it not as hard to read as I did with the other one. Oh, it's a very easy reading it. I think that's because it's interesting. And each character brings a little bit something to it.
And I know in the TV show, the X-Men on things, Laura Moon has such a small role in the book. I just got to that. OK. You kind of get lost in the TV show, because it's the first part is done perfect.
That's the best way I can describe it. It's just you just wanted to go away by the time and she keeps on going, but in the book, she doesn't obviously go welcome. Good. Because honestly, I just got sick about by the end.
Dead wife absolutely kind of bad. I really couldn't. I was like, you will have no relevance at all. You could completely take you out of this and it wouldn't make a difference at all.
Yeah. There's other things like I know they expanded on this with Nancy, with Nancy Boys. But even in the book, he's such an interesting character, but he's very small. It's not really like expanding on Blinkquist in the TV show, has given this huge character arc and stuff.
But to be honest, in the book, she's just like the squad that eats a bit worth of a joiner. I've met her. I met her in the book. She's like one of the first ones.
That's pretty much only being a part in the book. Oh, that's really sad because she was like, the whole description was brilliantly done. I've got to say, I've never heard. I've never read, sorry, a more decent description of someone getting eaten by a vagina.
Like, yeah. Read the graphic novel. I'm just like, oh my god. Yeah.
I only imagine. There is a graphic novel of this as well. They do a comic version. I didn't know that.
Yeah. I think I've got the first part on the first, not the first, but the first ones on the wall I think. Anyway, yes, go and have a subject there. Well, yeah, like, even the Jin, the Jin's only a tiny side story in the book as well.
I love a side story on Jesus as well. That he's just like, he's taking across the world. There's a story on Jesus. Yeah, he's just, that's amazing.
He's taking across the world, just doing his own thing. Wow. So it's happening in the Thor unfortunately. There's a happy ending in Thor in there.
And he's literature that you read, like, especially the Norse mythology one, because it ends with Ragnarok. So it'll have the end of the day. I love that you've read Norse mythology first, because I read American Gods first and it was quite clear where he's where his love from mythology came from. It's quite fun that you've read Norse, you've read it sort of the other way around.
I could not read that book. Interesting. Honestly, the way that he talks in, and I don't know if he's like this in, because I've only read one book by Neil Gaiman, so I'm not quite familiar with that style that you two will be. But he's, he wrote that he wrote the Norse anthology one as I give his top entries mates.
And he was telling them a story. And it was just like so fun to read. Don't get as wrong. I struggled with half the names that were in there.
Like I had to like break them down and still didn't sound right in my head, but it sounded like he was just a chattel these mates. And sitting around a campfire and telling the story, that's the style I got from the Norse mythology book. And it was just, you couldn't put it down. I think that's why I get lost in this book so much.
Like I can sit and be reading it. And I can be reading it for a couple of hours. And when I've, I'll just like a couple of times where I like write and you start and, you know, do whatever. And you kind of forget where you are when you, as you start reading, you kind of have that moment, you're like, oh yeah, I'm actually sitting in the chair in the living room.
Yeah. Yeah, because you just get lost in it. No, I told that moment like when I was on the bus the other day, I looked up and I was like, oh, I'm here. Yeah.
I totally get that. Because when I was reading the bar scene, I could see the bar around us. I could see these ridiculous crocodiles. And I just imagined them having red walls and being quite smoky.
And the smell like I was totally immersed in the bar scene. And I'm sitting outside as well. When we first meet Laura, when she was at the motel room, and she kisses him and he describes how she tasted cigarettes. And you can taste it.
Like you can smell what, like it's such one Brit, and it's sort of swept up. You can feel the calls, the child feels. But he's on the rooftop with one of the sisters, but he catches the moon. But I think there's no pause.
I think we're going to point you just made out there's no pause points in the book. So when you pick up a book, you can say, I'll read to this chapter. And then you feel like, all right, go down now. It's like, fuck, what's happened?
I want to know now. Let's like move on. And like, I said, that's like Neil Gaiman's writing to a TV basically where he keeps you engaged and want you to go on. Even like, when points went shut down and went to the separate area to the goal of the one separate ways at times.
And he needs to have to talk to the characters at Sam. Yes, that part is my ultimate favourite. Like I love Wednesday is a very interesting one. He's in there, but the little side quest.
That's what I did with intercom cute people. Would be like a little side quest. It's like a little side story within the story. And the look, the adventure that happens when he goes off of Sam is my utmost favourite part and time in the book as well.
And when he's, I can't remember, I'm up to that bit in the book as well. When he's in the really cool place. Yes. I can't remember.
I can't remember the name of it. But it's when it's like below 30 and it's describing the cold. And I was sitting on the bus there, the day I read it and it was red hot outside. And because I was reading this chapter, I was called.
You were shivering. I was like, I want to put my jacket on. I was like, I'm reading this too. And that bit of the book is, I think that's probably where you fall in love with Shadow as a character.
Because Shadow is on his own. Yeah. And even though he's by himself, and he's getting away from like this thing with God. And so he finds himself in a whole new land with it.
In the same situation where it's a little town, middle of nowhere, what's prospering, it's doing well. And the reason why it is well, there's a kid that goes missing every winter. And basically it's being fed to a god and Shadow works it out. The insectifies to a god and Shadow works it out.
And then stops it. And then as he's leaving the town, the town's kind of Wilton. Oh. And it's beautifully done.
And it sees only there for like a short period. So Wednesday it calls him back. But the character's salmon as well, absolutely beautiful. But like the friendship that Shadow forms with some.
Because it could have been awkward. Because it's not a teenage girl, but like between like the teenage and twenties and stuff. So college age isn't it? Yeah.
And she's got out of the town, but she's going back in because her friends kind of got missing. And that's like the whole thing. And it's what you think is going to be this romantic element to it. But turns out she's a lesbian as well, so it's absolutely hilarious.
It was really clever with Sam. Because you meet just before he goes up into this town and he's sort of left on his own. And you think, oh, that's it. It's just a little character to sort of move the story along as he's hitchhiking.
And then she ends up being a little bit bigger. And it's one of the only characters he does that with. So it brings back and it means slightly more to the story. He doesn't even do that with Laura.
No, to be fair Laura was a horrible person. So I think Sam in it is the pure soul. I mean, I'm saying, I'm getting all excited. I'm sitting here just taking it all in.
And I'm like, and more, and more. I tell me more. And I love doing stuff like this. Because sometimes I sometimes do an encouragement and hype job in either to read something or watch something.
So this is why I love it. And I'm just soaking it on. And keep going. The descriptive part of it is so well, like, kind of like, say, it's like effortless, but it knocks you for six at the same time.
The elements in it as well, like the trend seeing when shuttle's being caught by the hat people. And it's just horrific the way it's roped. Because you think, you can see, you can smell the blood. You can see how bad it is.
And it's just like every element of it is to the data, not the same king type of deal based on the exactly what the tile, how many tiles in a room is and stuff like that. But just what you need to know to experience it. And when you experience it, it is special, if that makes sense. Even just reading one bug in part of this, the way that he describes stuff is so much more it's simplified, but yet detailed, would not seem in King detailed.
Like, oh, I cannot get my head around how that man can describe a piece of paper. Like, it's ridiculous, but Neil Gaiman has such a way of doing it. I'd say it's hard to describe because it's effortless. But with that being thought, sorry.
Sorry. It's not something anybody else. He's got such a style, it's so unique. Because the things that he, like his comparisons and the way he compares things to what you're reading, it's just like nothing else.
Like the ideas that come out with that man are just, Oh, I'm just trying to tell you something just one day. Just for an hour. His ideas out. Yeah, just for an hour.
Just for an hour. Do you know how I like the idea of Talbot and Jojara Martin and how they can create these, you know, mass worlds and languages and, you know, and everything that goes with it. I totally underestimate Gaiman's power as well. Because for all the essays, he's not created, you know, a seven book series on these huge worlds.
He's still within one book managed to capture everything that you need to know. I think you mentioned, sorry. I think you mentioned Jojara Martin. He's on the front.
He's wrote a piece about him in this one. Originally in Grosin, endlessly inventive, Jojara Martin. Finishing, I think. I think with this one as well, it fits on every format.
It's one of the ones where it works as a TV show. It wouldn't work as a film. It couldn't be moved into a movie, but it works like in graphic novel and stuff like that. You can take that moment and just, just in that, because I know this one just put it in the chat, Chris D.
Yeah, I know what you're saying. You can't get away with reading. There is actually a graphic novel of this out there. So if you want to get your hands on it, it is an interesting reading.
The images in it is actually perfect as well. I've just read that comment. Can I just get a little bit because he's saying that he has an all the sexier and Chris so do I have a great atmosphere, the sexier and those diagnosed when I was younger. And it's not as hard as what you might think it will be.
I know a good reading can be quite daunting for someone with dyslexia. And comic books certainly helped me. It's just about piecing yourself, taking your time. And what I found recently is filters.
I use yellow paper filter to help with my reading. That is one that you can get on Amazon where there are only a couple of pounds and there's different colors filters and you will find the one that adjusts your eyes. That's really really interesting to talk about that. I never know what you're talking about.
I mean dyslexia and it fits bad. That's fine. But if you do want to send us a message, Chris, I'm pointing in a few directions and where you get your hands on a few like American gods stuff as well. So that's not what you want to say.
But yes. So again, sorry, just, I was just going to say if you struggle with actual reading audio books or gods and as well. Yes. I even thought of that one.
This one's nine hours though. They're very good. And if you don't, if you get confused by audible, look on YouTube. There is hundreds of audio books on YouTube that you could just stick on in the background.
But I don't know if I could do nine hours. I don't know if I could do nine hours. That's not what I was saying. That's true.
That is true. That is true. Your mum has just finished having the Sandman red to her. And that was a lot of hours.
Sorry, I forgot. Hi, Sam's mum. Hi, mum. Hi, mum.
But yes. And Charlotte's mum. I'm obviously terrified of you from last night. I'm never going to talk about you.
And I will show that I removed your comments, not me. Charlotte! But yes. Thanks.
Back to your own gods. Yes. So, I kind of sidetracked up your talking point there. So I'll go back to your list there.
Oh, I got it. How well do you think he writes the idea that there isn't just one God and that there's many? Oh, that's a good one. I got it.
Well, yeah, it does it really well. He doesn't do it in a pattern, isn't it? Which I think a lot of people can come across. Yeah.
It does it tongue in cheek. It does it in a fun way. Some gods are terrifying. Some gods, you can understand when he goes back to tell spoiler Wednesday a story that is Odin.
Dun, dun, dun, dun. And how they see the crows and how they worked and stuff like they picked and it from the eye and from the side I can't remember exactly. But it's done well in a way. He explains the ones that needs to be given explanation.
But again, making the gins gears well, but giving them, so there's no boundaries and no one was left out or excluded. I always quite like that element, because he's writing. And even stories like Never Where and stuff like that. The characters in that weren't Godlike, but they had special powers.
So beings that weren't off from this world. But again, it wasn't done in a way that was quite patronising. I think that's probably the best way I can describe it. I hear this ring line.
Sorry, I've been all dark. I love, you see, I think you did it quite respectfully. Because it's quite a very objective to take on, because it's going to piss somebody off. Oh yeah.
You know, you're going to upset someone. And you did it. I think there was a lot of gods that he mentioned that could have, he could have sort of been quite not patronising, but maybe it's a bit, a bit, yeah, a bit distastily, or a bit of it. But I think he was really respectful about all of them from Jacqueline Ibis to obviously Egyptian, and Nancy who is African, I believe.
Jesus and then obviously the Norse mythology characters. And David and Gromba. He just went all into me. Yeah, and like I said, the Norse ones, I loved, again, this is going to be the big spoiler as well.
So I always will get out the way. The ending with Flippenit, that Wednesday was really the main villain behind everything. And that the Selmy 4 Shadow was really lowkey. And that...
What?! I mean, his name is Loki as in L.O.W.K.E. What?! So...
Sorry. To be further, when I read the book first time, I didn't get to the end. For people listening, some of them are very shocked to be. Why did I not see this?
So I get what you mean now. You get to read a Norse mythology first. I should get this. I knew Wednesday was Odin.
And I knew even before, not on the end, that Odin would come out and do the bad guy because guess what, kids? Norse gods are dicks. All of them. They are awful human, but they are awful gods.
They're not nice people, but oh, holy shit. I was wondering why they kept breaking the name down. Why they even mentioned him in the first place? For the fuck's sake.
Sorry, I'm trying to reply to Chris as well. Should we give the biggest spoiler? Is there more? They're about Shadow.
So you just want to get it out the way? Well, I'll let you do this one. Hold on a minute. Let me compose myself.
Go on. So Shadow is Wednesday's son. Like half-son, wasn't it? Yeah.
Because the gods see you kind of like... Which one? You don't find out. You don't that's what I mean.
You don't find out. So you just kind of find out at the end. There's a little bit that sort of closes the story. And then Shadow was just sort of left on like a piece, just something, isn't he?
Yeah. He has a bit of a conversation. And that's it. So if there was going to be a sequel, I'd want I'd want it to be Shadow's story after he found out who he was and where he took it.
That's in sharpness as much as the other one. Yeah, I think that was quite hit enough with, like I said, the sort of one. But even after I went in the first time, I didn't get, I said, a Loki part of it till the end. I was like, fuck, I'm so thick.
Oh my god. I took this in again. Again, sorry to keep banning back to Norse mythology, but every story that he tells is a Loki is in it. He either caused the problem, he's either resolving the problem, he's either interviewing in the problem, he is always there and he's even there right at the end.
He's a bit of a story. But it just goes to show that he's had to have him in there. To be fair, that's kind of his Norse mythology in general. If it goes wrong, it's Loki's house.
Oh, this is getting on my nerves. I'm going to one time be back in two seconds. Yeah, I was kind of like, you were expecting them to play a bigger part as well than everyone's going to see Sammy's charm as well. Is that type of only fans tonight?
That's it. Getting to see me jump ons. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Business on top, Johnny's on my bottom. It's because I just went pan slats. I wasn't going to do that last week.
I was terrified. You know when you said why in the camera, I was like, I'm a scooshy self in here. I have no trampers on. I think as well as I would be a miss if I didn't mention like some big characters like Easter was brought to me both in the show.
Oh, she was amazing. She was breathtaking in the show. Who played her again? It's um...
First in Chinoeth. Yes. Yes. She was in Wicked.
Yes. Yes. Robert after us. And wow.
Just wow. It was like utterly breathtaking to watch it. And when I found out who she was, I was like, oh my gosh, she's easy. Well, I think what I will say about the show is because I do sort of bash the show quite a bit because it really, really disappointed us because of how much out of this we've...
Although the writing went off on the show the imagery was always on point. Yeah. That was always bright and bright. All three seasons.
It was the imagery that got spot on, I think. Yeah. Didn't they say they're going to do a one-off movie to finish it all off as well? I think that was supposed to be in the works because they're having a...
Yeah, they're thinking about it. Yeah. So there's this two of the TV series because I've stopped watching the middle series too. They've done a third one or did the second one just end it?
Is that it? Is it? Is it a third one? But that's it.
Yeah. Is it worth watching? I read the book. I mean, I'm doing that anyway.
I am doing that anyway. I have to now get on this book because my mum's a really good reader. So she will pick this up and have this finish in a couple of years and we'll want to talk about it. So I have to pick my ear game up on this one.
It's pretty mum. Come on as well. It's a big log in now. You know what, mate?
You'll be a bit. No. You're not early. Early night of me, mum.
But like I said, there's elements that hit the Norton stuff. But without any book as well, you can't have a good bad guy. I know it went through out. But like I said, Mr.
World and like I said, Technoboy and media. For media in the book is pretty much identical to what you expect. Do you know what I'm saying to be in the first season? Is it the same?
You know how she changes into certain aspects of it? Is it the same vision or is it different? Exactly. The same even to the point where you've seen everyone who's seen Lucy's hits.
Yeah. So in the book, that scene happens in a motel room rather than him going shopping. But it still fits. They didn't cut anything out.
It sort of made a massive difference to the TV series that sort of changed things about a bit. Technoboy is quite different in the book. No, he's more sinister in the book. He's less bratty.
He was in the Bit20. He's appearance is a lot different as well. He's very easy. Yeah.
He's in the early 90s. He keeps rocking up in these limos and has cheesy sunglasses on. But because of the time it was rough. It's very, it's not as up to date with all the technology and stuff as it was.
He's a bit more sinister in the books and you actually think he's a bit of a force. But like I said, the playoffs and stuff on the way. Like Wednesday, weaves, like the web, all the roots of a tree show, you see. Oh, tree.