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The only podcast was by Northern Earth. I am Oli Horssan. And I'm the host Paul. And as we said, we are powering forward until that big 100th episode.
So we did have a few episodes. We need the fill in to hit the magic that we want to do, which is the 13th of November. Is that right? It most certainly is.
Yes. And that's why we are doing a few episodes here and there. You lucky, lucky people. Certainly.
And this was the magic episode that was going to be us talking about the brilliant and the masterpiece that was Halloween in. And if you watch last week's episode, you realize how much of a mistake was doing that episode. What would it be? So quick to like, yeah, we can't review that.
We need something quickly. And this fits in perfectly, actually, with some days, Dean. So I think it's a really good idea. Yes.
So it's like with those doing trick or trick doing the ultimate, not the ultimate, one of the better better-than-the-art anthology stuff. We thought what better to do, make an anthology show, which is the American Horror Story. And, like I said, covers because literally they've been doing American Horror Stories as well. There's been two seasons of that, which I'm not going to lie, I do find it more entertaining than the actual American Horror Story show, but we'll get into that in a little bit later.
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So yeah, back off. What's that mean fucking cat on here? Yes, she's probably asleep. Oh, we're there.
Yeah, you can't say that. She's just off camera. Oh, that's freaking out. She's like, where's the pumpkin card?
Oh, yeah, I predict all of what the people who's already saw it. It's just behind us. It's just behind us. It's on the other picture.
It's always there. Yes. So yes, we're not doing how you're doing here at Pid, because we've only done that. I know really much.
But there's so much stuff we can watch. Like I don't think I've watched anything really that too different. But yes, American Horror Story, because when this started, because there's been nine seasons of this. Nine.
Is it nine or is it the nine season that this year? I think, yeah, because it's the nine season that started soon. So this started in 2011 with the murder house. And at the time, we didn't know it was going to be an anthology season.
We thought it was just going to be like, as I said, it's speaking, sorry. And I think with this, it did hit on perfectly with the marketing campaign. Oh, 100%. He knows right now, he knows how to do marketing.
Because it didn't really give you too much. We are initially, like now we're sure you're pretty much everything that's going to happen. But initially it was just basically everything was painted in blood and red. And the Kim suit was all over the place.
The fire's yes. But we would basically watch in like in Tassip anticipation. Because we've not really had a horror TV show for a while before this came along. No, it's kind of like set it up really.
I can't think. Do you know, I feel this came out around the same time as Walking Dead. I feel like I was watching Walking Dead and this on the same night. Well, it was the same time.
Yeah, it's an effect. I feel like they were very close to each other. They either released it or being actually released. And it was like horror.
It just horror TV was starting to take off. Yeah. And I know if you, because I'm not going to talk through all like see that it seasons that's came through. Thank God.
Because I cannot talk about it. I didn't mind that one. I didn't mind that one. That was awful.
It was terrible. There's been worse ones. Like say I'm talking freak, you're off. That was actually that was, I'm sorry.
No, that was just an excuse to have people actually having sex and weird and wonderful things. It was not a story. I'm sorry. That's not the case.
If you're a fan of freaks, the movie, I can see the appeal. But if you're not, then I can see the unappeal. But I actually really enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.
First time I thought was not right. I think I think I was like off for me. So as the like lobster boys, I was like, fuck this shit. But yes.
But going back to the first season, because like I said, this came out nowhere. Like I said, the first mark in that camp came on and it was when FX was doing like quite edgy stuff, it was before like the Disney takeover and stuff. When this came out, like I was gripped. Like I was watching it.
I know it wasn't out in the UK. Sorry guys. I was watching on the dodgy sick every week. It wasn't waiting to like say like what you do now.
You wait for the season to play out a few weeks and you watch a couple in a row. I couldn't wait. But again, with these type of shores, and again, we'll probably get into this like the ones, the show is itself and like the story started into wines and the characters are always brilliant. But it's always a bit of a lackluster ending, shall we see?
Because that's what Dragon Murphy does. He starts off and it's a running theme throughout all of them apart from Covid. Covid is the only one for me where he got it right from start to finish. But it's like he has such brilliant ideas and it's like, it's like he trails up at the end and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he just can't finish something.
I think I love Murder House. Yes. What was your top ones? Probably is Covin Murder House and I'm probably is Apocalypse.
Was Apocalypse Wasn't it? Is that the, yeah, yes. So the big critic. Yeah, so the top three probably goes Covin, just because Covin is absolutely top to you.
Then it goes Murder House, then Apocalypse, but then closely by Hotel. But I think Hotel, not because of how it was done. I think it's more about the actors and the colour of actors that they had in it. That was the standout.
I'll get into my love of hotel. Apparently in America, Covin was, I can't see it. So it has all the listens of the shores, Mert House, Freakshore, Hotel, RONOC, what was called? That was the one where they would take the piss out of the American.
God, I can't get this all the way through that. It does not have Covin on there, that's all we are. But yeah, mine is Murder House Covid in Hotel. No particular order, because I could literally watch it.
I put it on just for the compass. Covin was, if you're looking on Wikipedia, it's Miss No 2. So it's missing out. Oh, I've got them.
Yeah, see it now. Oh, God, that was so weird. So it's actually been 10th season, sorry. And season 11 comes out to the New York City, so it's about the fashion industry.
So that's the new one that's going to be coming out in October, I believe, or next event right now. In 19th, Carl. So it's quite on point that we don't have them. Oh, my God, we managed to do something relevant to them.
And on time. But the first thing that stands out in the first season of American Horror, sorry, is the colour of actors. I know what we're talking about, the people in this show makes it like the Jessica Lanza event leaders, just like the one that's been through it without an old Jessica Lanza, now retired now, and just won't be in any future ones. But actually that first season, how the story into twines and goes through different things.
And just when you start expecting something or think you've got worked out, like the throw in the blocked area, for example, so the blocked area, you're like, what the fuck? Where this comes from? Because it goes all the way through like two, two people living in like Zachary. Exactly.
I don't know who the other actor is. It's a scars guard, isn't it? I think it's a scars guard. Oh, I did not know that.
Oh, I can kind of see it now. Yeah. So them two with like the living house, the interior decorators, but like the little twists and like the journey you go through it, like it's, but the one thing that they run and fame is like it's very scary, but it's also quite sexual. Like in all of the stories as well, like I can vividly still remember laughing the head off when I first watched it with the guy who was the psychiatrist.
He was in a few episodes and he's walking over the mead, but he's crying one at the same time. And it was like this strange and experienced, he's like, he's like playing the shamed because he's walking over this, like this mead who actually the red head mead in the show is absolutely phenomenal. Like say it took me a long time to get over it. I'm not gonna lie.
Well, I'm sure that one was in walking dead for a period of time, but you would never know honestly without the red head, red head, I couldn't recognize her at all. Like, it's just like the first one, especially is it like one of the better core stories that score through and it's entertaining all the way throughout, like the family are like, like are likeable, which is a strange thing for the thing because a lot of families in horror movies or horror these type of shores, you stop caring, especially over like so many episodes and you think, oh, I just want them to get on with it. But there were dysfunctional family as well. So kind of related to it at the same time.
They had mostly the Monday of Proms and like silly little girl in it violet to. Yeah, I can never pronounce any of them. To Tessa Famiga and the sister of Vera Famiga. Yes, but she has won the standouts in like the first season.
She isn't anything. She does that girl. Like the known is shit, but it's bearable because she's in it. The known was not actually, I just couldn't say it in the pictures.
It was fucking dark. And the the opening that you talk about the, you know, relatable family, the woman and scene is like heartbreaking and you're only two minutes in, you don't know these people, but watching Viv by now husband in bed with somebody else. Did you feel for her? Yeah, and I don't feel that like hatred towards him because I am kind of rooting for them to like to get there and get because like one of these families up with the like a building factor and the play on that as well.
And like they've gone through it and how like as I said, this season as it goes on, gets bizarre and bizarre, she like gets dreams actually having sex with the guy in the game suit, it turns out to be having Peyton spoilers. Like by the way, I'm watching. Oh, yeah, I'm talking about the story without actually going into spoiler territory. And the I love the fact that the house was its own character.
And had its own players in there, like all the ghosts that were there and discovering more gores as you went on. I think my favorite ghosts were the Montanamaries, who is when you find out laser is a distant, distant, distant relative of the Montgomery in common role. Yes, but you don't actually find out later on. I don't think he actually planned that.
That was a later later thing. Yeah. And how would like say when you find out how in the link it is, it makes it more watchful. I even went back and watched a few of the seasons like was covering players like once you've seen, covered and then for the late seasons and stuff, it lends heavily to the other seasons.
Like, I think that he realized all the people involved realized how good that season was like the the main still goes around today, like on Wednesday as we were black. Like, that was like one of the big things that kind of hit the pace, like all the time for that time. But since then since the comic came out, it has lent heavily to that season, like there's been reoccurring characters, there's been like little hints and tips like characters have been through it. Like, pop lips was based pretty much on covered.
Like as a sequel, when it was going through, it was like a mixture between the cover and murder house, because it was like the warlocks versus the witches and Michael, it was the baby, it's Viv's and Diggies baby. I mean, Peter's baby who's now all brought up and all like serial killer he ends, because it was very sadistic when you see him with a knife at the end of murder, it was at the end of murder house where she grays kills an honey and she just picks up and smiles and he's like, well done, my boy. And I thoroughly enjoyed a public, I think they could have done so much more with that. So much more.
Yeah. But I think sometimes I try and do the comedy aspect and the comedy aspect doesn't always play out as well. No, it doesn't. It doesn't.
If you don't have Jessica Lange in there, you can't make it funny. No, but Jessica Lange in Coven, I'd say, I'll move on to the Coven now, because that's the Coven, that story and like how Sarah Paulson as well and that was just absolutely on top level, like, say performance wise, and it had fucking saving it, because as a witch. It did. By which end, you got the entrance of Angela, Angela, Maison Angela Bassett, who has not aged a bastard day.
She has the voodoo queen, which, oh my God, she was amazing. The story is consistent, it floors and it actually ends perfectly. There's nothing you can not pick apart, Coven, like you could with what's the one in what's the second one called? Well, asylum was a total emden.
That was a, like, it was kind of built up really well. Like you got this, like, as I said, a serial killer that actually killed, was it a matter of Maroon 5? Adam Levine? That's the only one.
Oh, yeah. It was, it was all very one clue of what the cuckoo says. Yeah. And then went to down the root of aliens again, the pen went off the paper.
Yeah. When they come to aliens and that was when I kind of beg your thought it was going to be bad when we got to the emmicks in as a really Santa in Coven, not coming in asylum, which was a brilliant turn of them. Because I think that episode came out just before Christmas as well. It is.
But yeah, that was like the end. And by the end, and by the end, and to murder house as well, it was kind of like an ending, like, is that it? After everything that bane through, just to turn it all, of course, looking up another family living in the house. So it was kind of like, I love that aspect, though.
I love the fact that they ended up together in eternity in a house that had a fucking unit, but it still had a dynamic. It was all about family. That's the only thing you can take away from murder house is family, which is very bizarre when you're talking about a murder house. But I loved how that series ended.
I love the fact that the all worked together. It was my hard one. I was dead. Yes, that was the big twisting point though as well, because it turns out, because I'm trying to think now when I watched it back, it was like a three or four episode arc you didn't realize.
And they find out, like, the point where she actually did die of the overdose because you thought I'd see it saved him. And then when it comes out, so unfortunately that she did die, nothing. And even though Tia is a bit of a knobhead in this and just, like, say, a bit of a, like, not the villain of the piece, because that was always going to be Jessica Lanzcaro, she was always the one that was twisting and making things like that, like, she had twisted a knife, shall we say? But he kind of saved the day and makes you sort of different, you saw a different side of him.
Well, he was repentant for what he did, because he hit it for sort of, even in death he managed to hide his true identity of what he actually did, which when you find out what he actually did, it's fucking terrifying. And but he repented in death. If he could actually do that. And he was the city, you're right, he was, he was a massive hero towards the end.
I did not see Jessica Lanzcaro as a villain though. I don't see her as a villainous. Isn't that just a personal choice or like, a personal tip? Rather than when, because she was a nasty bitch, like the way she dread people, but the way she tried.
I know it's not a name in this, but Nan from Coven, how's she? But because I want to be a pretty girl. Oh, you are pretty girl. But like this is kind of one that like, they want to go back to the original, the first one that was where it set the rules of the things to come as well, like things where if you died on the property, you're haunted the property.
So that's why they wanted everyone to stay, like, when it makes sure everyone died to die there. So that basically what I was doing in the house. And then they give us the grips. And I love this aspect to it as well.
The death on the dead can leave and roam on Halloween, which entertained me knowing as well. So I thought that's just a brilliant concept. Cause like Halloween, as I said, is always a special time for us. And it's it breaks a veil and makes it brings that element to it.
And I just love that premise, the idea that people can like kind of like shackled or trapped to live this life, like almost year round where like you're stuck and you're stuck with the people that probably some of the people you can't stand or if you can stand to be stuck in the same place or you don't want to struggle, we've just all got through lockdown. So we've all been. We all understand that. But it also was so clever in hiding violence death because she could go outside.
It looked no different than when she was a bit of a recluse. She was a bit of a loner. So it's not actually should be out all the time. And the fact that she could go out on Halloween did not draw attention to us as a viewer.
That she actually wasn't there. No, definitely. When she finds herself. That broke me.
But I kind of like as well how, like as you said, everything's into twine, the kind of hit back up murder house as well. Cause we got the like the turnaround in the pop lip. So we found out the baby that was born was Michael. But also in the two seasons that we've had now of American Horror Stories, where it's not like just the one piece one shoots episodes where or two part of typing where the time the short story.
And I'll be honest, if anyone like is a fan of American Horror Story and you haven't checked them out yet, give them a watch because there are more satisfying endings. Like some of the stories are stronger than the others, but that's like a season of American Horror Story. But the end and seem to have a fulfilled on not over complicated, if that makes sense. So you get more enjoyment out of it.
So that's where I would always suggest and put in the first season of American Horror Stories, it had little playbacks to murder house where future people came in, like City Young Teenage Girl who like to say, started getting to make a T.S. The killing cause I was a serial killer girlfriend who lived at that house and like said, and how they tortured all the school bullies. I think Michael Jackson's daughter was in it. I was Jackson was in it as well.
I have seen that one. I'm not gonna lie, I have not, that's the only one of American Horror Storyies that I've watched. I've had a massive fall out with Ryan Murphy over in 1984. Really?
Yeah. Mm hmm. Did not like it. Right.
That is like right off my fucking straight night. And I was like, you know what, I can't pop myself there in this anymore. I can't, I'm sick to death of being absolutely shattered by a shit short of Ryan Murphy. Hollywood brought the exception because I've watched that and again, it's just Ryan Murphy, been Ryan Murphy, but I still love the other ones.
It's in 1984. Like I did find it entertaining, but with everything he did, he goes to the extreme and it took like it was supposed to be a homage to everything that was it. So again, I was all for it, but having like a nice stop or in being like, like possessed by the devil and stuff like that. And again, I like the whole twist where like the company, the girl ended up being like this like path, not the person is, but again, playing the tropes.
But again, it wasn't one of the ones I hated. I can say, but I think it because it was the eighties fiend. But yeah, the only one like said, again, the recent one, which the tried to do something different as well was the double feature, which the first half, the premise to the first half was absolutely amazing. Like the whole different, like different view on vampires.
And I was like kind of taking it like drugs and high society and Oh, go ahead and try to watch this. So I'm going to call it called the name. Yeah. Oh, good idea.
It was terrible. So as I was saying, sorry, you're wrong, but you're in fun. It wasn't terrible. That's that's the thing.
It was a good idea. Again, the first part, like say, like if you like vampires, if you like, like say anything through it wasn't a really refreshing take, I would like that almost in a way to 30 days of night, how they changed, how you view vampires in a different way. So 30 days of night, made vampires more animalistic, more beast-like and more ferocious, made vampires scary again. Well, this one not made in animals.
It made like anyone with talent, it would take these drugs. But the price you're here, you've got a busy eat drink blood. And that's the way to keep you talented. And if you're not talented in your daily strokes, you turn into these mindless zombie vampires.
Oh, that was basically where people was in, because that was the gamble that you take. So you have to have an England of talent in you for it to kind of take all and for you, like, because it started off as like one guy who was like trying to write a TV show and like, say, he was struggling, McCordy Colton's character came into it. And I'd say the old lady that in all them, like the, who plays the witch, if they're in Westwood and stuff like that in certain ones, she kind of is like an author and they attempt him into taking these tablets. So he writes the best TV shows, writes these best, these movies that people are dying to have the swing, the swing plays for.
But in the meantime, he's got like a daughter who's like a genius musician. And she sees what he's doing. And goes, well, if he's taking these, we out, why am I struggling? Because she's trying to put she's trying to play a certain bit of music where at her age, she's not she's knocking at all of doing.
Yeah, which the premise of it is brilliant. And she gets one of the tablets. And then with everything, in fact, it'd been a younger, like, young person not having the self control, not having the exit of a stream or the knowledge to, and that sounds awful, but kill on the side. So you won't get caught.
She gives into impulse us or anyone that's around her. She's feeding to try and build her urge to become more talented. And he's then her dad's kind of getting like, now he's got his like, oh shit, this is terrible. And I've fucked up here big style because he's now become this monster.
But he tries to get his wife, who was played by she was a big, she was like one of the nuns in asylum. She was a big, she was a big, big, big, and she turns out to be one of these that doesn't have talent. So she's starting to turn into the zombie vampire. Oh, that explains why she was getting to have watched part of it.
But the way you've talked about it there is not how I was picking it up. And the reason why I switched off. And I was so excited for that one. Because I love, I love the way I love the fact that she was the last time that she played a feature of just like, which was focused on her and not all about Sarah Paulson was covered.
Yeah. And then she was now getting another one. That was her and I'm so disappointed. And I think we're calling Colton as well.
We just come off the back of Gaga. And then we're calling Colton's coming into it. It's like, and I watch the first three episodes. I can't fucking do this.
But it does get better and more. It's an interesting tip. And with everything, even though it's a half a season, it can't stick the London for the end. And so the end is totally batshed out there.
And again, it bleeds on a sour note. You think, because you could see where it was going and the ideas that was flooring. It's like, this is re-eventing. This is new.
This is interesting. Yeah. And it kind of just didn't get there with what you wanted for the end. And then again, I'll wholeheartedly agree with you, see it before for the second part of the double feature.
It was all about aliens again. But this time it was basically the American government having an agreement. Like, it's one that the room had won for years. Because like I said, with American Horace, they like to lead on to room and history of like conspiracy theories, which if you're found in the podcast, you know, we are all about.
This one, it kind of leads on to the Roosevelt way. They've done an agreement with aliens for the technology that would allow them to abduct a certain amount of Americans each year. And when you found out what they were doing, we're trying to clone Americans and alien DNA to try and save the alien race. But also take over the world by having these alien human hybrids and a god-fucking batshit crazy.
You can describe Mars attacks too, listen. You know, I don't like Mars attacks. I enjoyed Mars attacks more than I enjoyed that bit. So, wow.
But yes, it kind of went a bit out then, like say, hard to follow and hard to understand. So it was a little bit less horror, more the movie and just kind of like, like, they were filming the gap. Yeah. It didn't feel like they had it like a rounded idea.
This is something that we've read about. This will be interesting. Let's see what sticks. And it felt like a million ideas all thrown at once and nothing really busy going through for film.
So it did feel a bit like a damn squid, but this came out as I said, around about the same time as American Horror Stories. Yeah. So when you're watching American Horror Stories, you got these Amias and Tails and the short stories, like the one with American Horror Stories where they've got these YouTubers, they were trying to get hits and how it turns around and goes against them. Brilliant.
But get them Amias and short stories and you lead up with double feature. I can understand where your hatred came from. Because like I said, the first part, it should have been one of the best TV shows that was needed, but it just kind of wasn't. See, I think that's what my problem is, because I know what to expect or what I think is going to happen.
It's going to get a really good start and point in the shit ending. So I might as well just cut me losses now and forget it. But I said to myself on watching Roanoke, I'll not do that. Because I was going through the whole series.
I started from one and I was going right the way to, I think, hotel was the last one at the time. Oh my God, I can't believe I actually sat there. Roanoke. I think I got heavily vague blare, which in Amityville vibes from it.
So and the only thing that was crazy was what's called Cathy Bates's accent. Oh my God, I'm so glad you said that. Even the Gaga's was you couldn't fucking point where she was trying to put that. Yeah.
Because normally you would think, oh, if you're trying to do this type of accent, but no, the accent just didn't quite hit the land in there. But again, I still think as Roanoke as an idea and as a standalone, I kind of was like, I enjoyed it more as a full of filled season than a lot of like, see, the other ones that I've went before I came after. But I know Roanoke does get a lot of shit online and I've bashed. But it's one of the ones where I don't mind a type thing.
Probably the same with like say the 1984 one. I don't mind it. It's not one I would keep going back. Like I would generally go back and watch Coven run a regular basis.
I was one of them comfort TV shows. I know it's way of thinking about it as a competition because there's some kind of horrific elements into it. But yeah, well, let's go. We'll talk a bit more about Coven because it is the best, like it literally is comfort.
If you want to feel that or me, or me feels just slapp it on and it has some of the best cast, it has the best cast. I'll put it that way that it ever had. And you've got the logistical and back, Sarah Paulson, who's just fucking incredible to start with. And to me, so what's that?
And then the the starting point of Emma Roberts. Yes. Emma Roberts, like, what's she doing? Air screen queens.
Obviously. No, she's not literally the other one. She became the screen queen because this is she this is what I started pointing at. She's very good at playing villain.
Like a really good. Oh, like, like, swoosh bitch. I think that's where I think that's where I'm going. Madison Montgomery, that's any of them.
Yes. And I absolutely loved that. And the girl who was in Precious. Oh, my God, Queenie, absolutely.
A door Queenie, Nan was brilliant. Angela Bassett. And Dye Houston, was it? And it was just had the best stories, the best villains, like, when you were, like, peas and bits together, there's nothing in there that is not consistent.
Like, you can pick to part any other series and think, like, take a silent, for example, this one story and it ends with aliens with this, it switches, which is witches. No, I'll under. Yeah. No change.
Definitely. And as you said, some of the characters in there, like Dye Houston has the axman. When he, when he came into it, it was bizarre, weird, and it was kind of a side part. You were expecting him and Jessica Landebrig and to her music.
I want point. It was just a story as well. Was it? Yes.
The Jazz Man is a true story. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes. He actually took from real.
And to be honest, it's a lot of that he takes from real life. And the couple who, um, on a silent who see the, um, the UFO, that's a true story, interracial couple, they were absolutely ripped to pieces in the media because one through interracial couple in two was the fifties and sixties. And yeah, he took a lot from real life. But yeah, the axman is a real story.
And they're a true one. Like, whether it's like urban legends, yeah, it's like, it's real. I thought this, like, because this bit was, like, there was some episodes that were bizarre, like, see, I was with all of them, like, see the carbon one. But the whole premise was like, say that they were trying to find the new, kind of like the grand high, which, the supreme, which there, but, um, and Jessica Lande not kind of be ready to give up them powers and like, basically, trying to steal up powers from these people as well.
Cause like the went through them and thought, oh, this person's going to be it's not this person's going to be it did the whole switch and be it really well. But I thought the hilarious part was what the did the book, her, Kathy Bates in this one, she got tortured. She was like, I was stopped at one point where she was just talking as a head and it was just entertaining. And being able to be put through roots to get the races about about her again.
She's another real life character, real life person, a lot of repeat. Um, I don't think how brutal she was is true, but there is some suspicion to her brutality of her slaves, but she is a genuine person. And she, I think she left to go to France and died in France. And she's a genuine person.
I think Angela Bassett's character as well. It gave me a lot from real life on this one. He did he fucking homework. That's what he did.
He did his homework and it made fucking sense like when you, when you, what's her name, Daphne LaRiony, if you know the story of her, it makes fucking sense why she's there. But her house is there, the suspicions of how she tries to slave. That's all there. It's all knowledgeable.
Um, so yeah, he really paid off. I love the fact that Queenie drowns the racism out with roots. I just loved it. The fact that she could teach a humanity even as just ahead.
Yes. But after I said with Queenie, I'm trying to pronounce her name now. I'm going to get it open for us because I'm doing this blind, but is it Gabrielle? So it's capillary city.
Basically, because I know she's been in a few things, but she doesn't really kind of get the credit shots. She does always like a stand out, whatever she's in. But unless she was huge and entertaining, like her, like her, like her connection and like say a banda with Kathy Bates, as paragraph was entertainment, watching like she had on her powers was quite interesting as well. Where if she self-harm, she never used to feel up here and he used to be put on to someone else.
Is it the voodoo doll? Yeah, so she basically, you have human voodoo. So she puts her hands in a deep heart fryer and you see someone get burned at this house. It was actually a privilege.
But that's one of the things the shoulders go well for as well. It does put out the gore and it does go like to the realm where more shores potentially wouldn't go. But I think with the being on FX, it did get a lot of freedom and. Yeah.
Yeah. They're allowed to express themselves a little further. What I also like about carbon before we move on to any other ones is the trials, the actual trials that the witches had to go through. I fucking love that when they were trying to find out the next agreement, Madison was putting out one personal hell, which was working in retail.
No, makes it up because of the ginger, which as well, who the burnt out of the steel can when the resurrected book, the half. Yeah, because he's like a recurring character in it as well. What's he called? Leslie Jordan.
Leslie Jordan in it as well. He was, as I said, the comedy element, which was quite entertaining. But the actress who played as Queenie, she was in one of the episodes of season two of American Stories. Oh, yeah.
She was in hotel as well. Yeah. She came back. Well, the player, she played a character where it was quite a modern gore story, if that makes sense.
Sorry to jump away from covering it. That's just weird. That's what you're talking about. Sorry you didn't do that.
Just with her tail, it was one of the better ones that, well, one of the more ones I already enjoyed. It was basically, she went to her hardware store and this, you know, these new doorbells where they've got a camera. Oh, the ring ones, yeah. The ring ones on the record and stuff like that.
Well, when they set it up, every time she was home alone, someone was not on the door and you could see on the recording the person that was there. But she thought there were a heart now and coming to her. But they were asking for help. And so basically, they would tell like it was almost like a six sense type situation, but her fellow started off really nice.
And I think, oh, great. It's been like, lovely partners and stuff. He's not been more and more vindict towards her and like being an asshole. And I know, sorry, spoilers if you haven't seen it, it turned out that he killed his ex partner and his ex partner was coming and he started losing his shit.
And it was a whole tale about like the modern technology and ghosts and was done. Oh my God. It's enough for me not to buy a ring. It was going through like the signals or something that people can hear or like, because I always say like ghosts come off like certain energy and like can vibe of it.
Vibrations. That's it. I watch a lot of paranormal stuff and they do through like a speaking voice and it's literally white noise. It's like really ecstatic and they can pick up what they are, what they're portraying to be voices of the dead.
And I have heard some pretty fucking convincing ones like of named like dead people. And yeah, so they think the Bible of fuck that. I'm never getting a ring novel. But you can tell that story on the Halloween episode and we'll talk about course and death on the whole.
Oh my God. Yes. I've got about that. I didn't give any names of the people I heard because it is really interesting.
And I do love Queenie was in hotel. And we know I know you've been looking forward to talk about this one. So I let you go to town. I fucking love it.
Absolutely love it. And for one reason and one reason only and I was fuck all of you, Lady Gaga, she is amazing in it, but it's Elizabeth Taylor. I love that character's arc. I cry when he finally becomes Elizabeth Taylor when he's given the name and he's it's like a whole new person is just created in front of your eyes of who he actually was to begin with.
And then you see the fact that he's dying and she comes to the realization. Sorry. I keep on. She comes to the realization that where else is best to die and who else is best to do it.
Yeah. And the fact that Gaga comes in and even though they've had this huge mass of all and out, he still accepts the offer of that being the hour. I just fucking it's beautiful. And if you honestly, if you don't like hotel because there was a lot, there was there was a couple of things in hotel, which is incredibly questionable and should really be taken out of the shore.
But if you just watch Elizabeth Taylor's story from start to finish, that is enough to make a perfect series. Cut the serial killer bit out. Yeah. Put that in a box and forget about it.
Because that's where we fucking should have stayed. Yeah. It was a bit of a strange choice. I don't know.
Like, Evan Peter's character was meant to be like the Kitchi Horms type thing where the murder I was but again, then lent heavily to again, going back to the original episodes and murder. I was where if you die here, you kind of steer there. So you've got all these people and these things that have happened to them. And again, the kind of be a sort of true crime one as well.
Like the hotel, the Cecil Hotel. Like that was said, the look and feel of it was very much that aspect. And the look and feel of it is very here to you, Chorom. Because it's 20s.
It's 20. It's 20 decal. Whereas the Cecil Hotel was just fucking grim. And there was no decal to that whatsoever.
But the idea of it, like the fact that the Cecil has some very infamous guest that have been there like the next author who showed up at a fucking serial killer lunch. You know what really pissed me off about that bit, right? It had nothing to do with it. It's really tasteless that he had a serial killer like sit down night together.
I thought that was tasteless to start with. Tasteless and fucking tacky. What really pissed me off the most was the Eileen Warner's character, Lily Rabe, just fucking watched one tape of her and what he had all do. She flicks her hair a lot and it made it look like she had a tick.
Eileen didn't have a tick. If Eileen was flicking her hair, it's because she had her hands in front of her hand cuffed and she couldn't physically put her hands to her hair to move it. But yet she made this character choice that she was going to have a tick to make her more sadistic and it really pisses her. I just thought that whole scene was just tasteless as fucking it was tacky.
Shifting play out. I just didn't like it. I didn't like the serial killer aspect to it at all. But again, I will still watch it 100 times more for Elizabeth Taylor.
Mm. I love that character. Just a quick question about it though as well. Because I know I mean Nick had a non-argument put discussions, shall we say, about Gaga's character.
Like, what was she? Was she just a vampire or was she excited? Was she a ghost because she did leave the building as well. And she didn't buy anyone.
She always used that long fingernail to like cut through people's throats and stuff like that. So she lives off the blood that's infected. This was my take on it. This is why she has the children for because they live off infected blood, which is drained by people.
So essentially it's like it is vampirism, but it's not the familiar way of looking at it. At the end of the night, she is the star. Her story is so interesting because they start her in the Golden Age of cinema. The Golden Age with Rudolf Valentino as her partner.
No, Rudolf Valentino was an actor in the twenties. He was a silent actor and he was fucking loved. He only got a couple of films and he was he was foreign. He was exotic.
Like Hollywood fell all over him. I think he's one of these films was called the Return of the Sheikah, something like that. But anyways, he dies really young and Gaga is what he had hundreds of female admirers, even though apparently he was very gay. But he had hundreds of females admirers and she was class as one of them.
And there was when Valentino, Donnie's funeral, one of his female friends, who was supposedly his girlfriend, who was potentially just a big hit. And used to do this dramatic fainting every two minutes to grab publicity for a fucking funeral. And but there's a story that Valentino's every anniversary, Valentino's death of woman in black would come with a red rose and place it in his grave and leave. And that was Gaga.
All right. I was talking to that she was not to be playing that. And that's why she goes a bit when she finds out that the ghost of Valentino is kind of was killed because of... I don't think they even call him Valentino like a car, remember, but that is who it is.
Right. Because she goes because that's a love of her life. Yeah. And he took her away and Evan Peagas character took him away from her.
And then, oh, I love it. I love the fact that he gives the 20s references and then into the back to the Montgomery's. Because she goes to them for an abortion, which doesn't call right. Because she gets that really fucked up baby.
Yeah. Bartholomew. That's yes, Bartholomew, yes. Yes.
And I do like Gaga. I'm sorry, but I don't think she's a vampire in the traditional sense of vampire. I think she does live off in fact of blood. Yeah.
As the kid that's being kidnapped is one of the persons who comes to the hotel and not going to naturally say in like remissants of the kid that he lost on a boardwalk or something. Yeah. He's a detective. He's a serial killer detective.
And his kid's got taken on a boardwalk is his wife ends up helping the infected kids who've been drinking infected blood. It's all that's that. I don't know if that's a reference to sexual transmitted diseases or getting kids vaccinated. Like I don't know where that was aimed at.
Because all these kids would get really poorly off him, not being vaccinated. But then this magic blood was healings. It does when you talk about loud, it does sound like it goes all over the place. But hotel is actually one of the most more consistent ones.
But I think like one of the standout characters, like for me in hotel, and again, I know everyone always goes on about Elizabeth Taylor and like Gaga, but Sarah Paulson's character in this. Because I've got a name now because I say she plays the drug. She plays the drugie who was like always kind of there. She's begging like if she's going to die, she doesn't want to die in the hotel because she doesn't want to be there forever typing.
And I think she starts taking a lagging to one of the, like, say to the what's he called the detective? Yeah, she's trying to like help him and stuff like I believe he end up kills it, isn't he? Or she dies dies in a tragic way on the hotel grounds, I believe. But her character likes it's Sally.
I think it's called Sally. I think you're right. I'm just looking now because it's annoying the pants off us. And I think you're right.
I think it's Sally. And it's so tragic, Sally's story because all she wants is to be loved. That's all she wants. She wants friends and she wants to be loved.
And she does it all in the wrong way. And she has the wrong attitude about it. She even tries a parole. She's booking.
He hates Kathy Bates's character. She tries to befriend her. But sometimes she still looks for some comfort from her. But again, she's like, she's had her use in this work as a guy.
Overplayed by repulsed so many times, but she completely self sabotages herself. Every time someone even like will get close to it. And I thought it was ideal at the end when she was given a mobile phone with social media because you can get close to people without actually having to have a physical interaction with them. Because that's why she focused up.
Yes. And that's why I'm actually kind of like drawn to her as well, because she's not actually a bad character or like. She's a bad person. It's just unfortunate.
So sometimes it's and again, I hear it's here. It's like say, if anyone has a bad day or something goes on, that could happen to any one of us. That's the scary part to it. That it's so relatable.
And so I think the only thing that again, it is always a little bit strange was gone there, the name now. But it was like Schmidt out of New Girl was in it. And he played like a really, really weird character that got eaten by a bed or something. Like, Oh my God, is that him?
I have not watched New Girl. I've only seen some clips of New Girl on TikTok. And I'm very interested in watching it. And was that him.
Yeah. But that's correct. Yeah, you kind of get to eat and buy the bed and turns into it. But I can say, Schmidt and New Girl is such an amazing actor as well.
It's just like, it kind of underutilized them. And I think that's the problem that sometimes has with these type of shows, the amount of talent and people that they have on. It kind of gets like washed away and you kind of lose certain elements. So sometimes I think less and less is more and more, like, especially with these, maybe that's one of the takes that Ryan Murphy should take from the American or sorry, franchises is don't give us too much because it's going to pop up as well.
There were certain characters that were playing two roles and stuff like that. It was kind of like rush to get so many people in. I'll do so many things. It's kind of like a mistake.
But with these type of shows as well, which you don't really expect, this iconic characters in it as well. And all I absolutely did not get the show. I didn't get the season of Frexical. But Twisty the Crown is one of the most hideous and scariest things that came out of this, especially if you're not a fan of grounds.
Like I'll beg your turn bother me. But it did freak me out a little bit like he's looked and he's all out like the way he went on in that show as well. That was one of the more genuine scary things in Frexical. Yeah.
And just to go back to hotel a second, because you mentioned about multiple characters and Sarah Paulson being one of them who played two people, Sally, crack Ali Sally and also Billy Dean Howard, the medium who you see from Murder House is now made a name for itself and got a TV show and gets delivered by real life course. It's fucking brilliant. I see again, another way of bringing back a character from the first series to make it to an admit sense. But why wouldn't Billy be there?
It's all the interconnections and that kind of draws you in as well, because you don't want to miss a season in case something does lead you down an alley or if they're going to a season again where they'll do a call back, you'll miss that reference and it kind of feels like you missed that one on the joke or missing that one on the story. So it's very clever to do with that. We're not having to say I'm all for doing more things that we don't think it's better for us. It's better for the viewer.
Like one of the highlights for me as well, and all as you said, was shot on the end of the season was asylum towards the end of Got Ridiculous, but Saturday Quindall's character with Sarah Paulson was literally the most scariest thing I had seen on TV for a long, long time. How we like, you thought it was just this nice doctor, we turned out to be like, say the name of the studio, because it was like a, especially a name as well. Yeah, and he had a fucking skin. It was the lamp.
Like you sit in it, you're watching Sarah Paulson's character just sitting in a room, which you think is normal until you know this fucking lamp is made out of skin. And then hopefully, I think it was a little bit of a sign of that as well. Yeah, it was something to where it was like recognizable that it was skin. But I think as well, what you don't expect, but if you go back and watch them through the do hit on certain points and especially of the times, there's a very lot of three of topics that they do hit on as well, especially with asylum, like they go through some hard subjects, like the whole, like with Sarah Paulson being a lesbian, and her girlfriend and stuff, they use that to kind of start to get, sorry, Quindall get away with it, because basically when she gets out and like escapes from these little dungeon and stuff like that, they're trying to like actually commit because she's a lesbian into the asylum, rather than because it's just our stuff as an investigator generalist or something.
She's just a reporter there, but they actually end up getting catch in her for what she technically would have been put in prison for. Kind of a prison, but she would have been institutionalized for the condition that she had, and if you're listening on audio, that was airport. But yeah, especially over here in the UK, like that we would have been shit hot on something like that. So I can imagine Americans being even more shit hot.
Yeah, and then later on in the episode as well, when they go down to the craziness of the UFO bit, they're the pick on not just like the being adopted, but it's a fact that the couple is an interracial couple and they're being harassed and abused and like, they're not taken seriously when like these things do happen. And to the point where, like, I don't know if it's him or her that gets institutionalized because one of them gets killed because of the abduction, when the abductions are still on in the asylum, and that's when it gets bad shit crazy out there. But it's topics that I think started with American Horror, Sorry that we weren't getting into on TV that led into other things. I don't think we would get the HBO version of Watchman with the subject matters and talking points that we got with the Tuscant riots.
If we didn't have shows like American Horror Story, like touching on these type of elements, and as I said with Coven having the racist elements, like the language that was used in that as well, especially for like a say a prime time TV show that's mainly about horror and sex going out there and like say, it's showing same sex couples as well and treat them as normal, not treating them as single, like this is special, this is like in the murder house, like that we know as character which we mentioned and the scars guard, like it's just a regular couple and they're not being like given this bubble that they normally do and say, oh, like, like, what I would have just been quite a normal normal relationship. Yeah, it's just an enormalizing thing. See this is like, I do, I have such a love here relationship with there without without a guy riding Murphy and it is and sometimes it's just down to lazy laziness on what I feel he, because I know what his capability is and sometimes I just feel like he's quite late. Like what do you fucking did with Glee for Christ's sakes?
I'm popular that was and Annie managed to finish it as well and but it just feels like sometimes he's too lazy but it's still not going to stop me watching a Ryan Murphy program like how I feel about him in that effect and Hollywood as much as I've got some issues with the change of history, I still found it absolutely beautiful in what he was trying to do. Like I'm probably going to completely contradict myself here but in Hollywood it's everything that you would, what everything that should have happened happened that didn't happen. So Rock Hudson comes out, Rock Hudson in Hollywood comes out as gay, mostly Oscars with not only his gay boyfriend but a black gay boyfriend. That would not happen in 50s Hollywood but he made it happen on Hollywood the program and he just, it's like he rode loads of wrongs and but it's some sore conflicted on it.
It bawled me eyes out at the end because I was like and it's the same reason why I cried at the end of once upon a time in Hollywood because you've just put something on screen that never happened and it broke me heart that it didn't happen that way and that's not reality and oh I just it bocked with my head. That's what Ryan Murphy does. Bocks with my head, Bocks with my head, Bocks with my emotions. No certainly and again as you said with the new season stats, tomorrow did you see it?
Then 19, absolutely. I have no idea. Oh my god the serial killer from Asylum is the bloody face. That was the one yes completely face because then you have the dad coming back as a son of bloody face and that's that because they always have like a lot of characters do return and rather than telling the same story over and over and over again to do like anthology and tell the different tales.
What did you like to do to the actors? By the time we got to the later ones, we got seven actors then, 15, 16 different people so it was kind of like which characters you've been now and so especially when I went out and beat us at the pace of the poor thing it's like the go to guy to play a guy. He's my god I think Lost Boy was the only one that came closer and being almost a good guy and if we can just cross on just for a second and I don't know how you think about this one but cult? One of the ones the only one I've I didn't get past the first episode.
Give me one second if my cat is decided to move two seconds. Oh dear. Her little cat. We have cult was probably the one that I again I didn't want to talk about too much just simply because I didn't get past the first episode and this was I think when cult came out it was during the whole Trump.
Sorry I would if we didn't let her out she would start screaming in the house down she has one of the most annoying in me I was going it's adorable but annoying and I had I had some mixed feelings on cult and I don't know if it's because of how soon after the election it was but I kind of understood where he was going with it it was in cell in in Saudi here here using the election as the tipping point yes that's how that sort. That's actually quite quite edgy. I just didn't think it was entertaining and that's the thing if you're going to have these type of stories and like if you want to push the boundaries like I know I understand why he's did it especially in America at the time there was a lot of confusion a lot of fear so doing the story that I did make sense but for me it wasn't entertaining enough for me to enjoy because what was happening in the real world was scarier than what I was watching on the TV. Absolutely I just one scene in that that like I don't even know if this is real like if people did react like this but every time the election kept getting mentioned Sarah Paulson was screaming and I'm like I don't know because like our election like how we do things in the UK is very different to how our you know count parts over the border do things and it's not the same as we don't have the same outcomes in some ways but I just I just the way the things are I don't know if it's the Britishness you know so that you know whatever we you know whatever happens we be except and we might not like it but we accept it whereas over in America it seemed like it completely took over this one woman's life yeah and that I just couldn't relate to it.
No I think exactly you put it perfectly there it was one that shows that I could not relate to or I'll find a common ground with to get on board with so yeah that is one of the only ones I've not watched and I've got no interest in watching I know I always say that you can't really judge something without giving it a go I did try again I didn't find it entertaining that was probably the end the end of it for me but as a whole like say when you look at the body of work there's more success there's more things there's less things to complain about than there is but that's always the thing especially when it comes to the end and so people always like to have a go or to pick apart something but they don't realize how good something is when that they're picking apart. Oh absolutely and I think this and I think this show is one of the big ones out there because when you go online everyone is waiting for the new season like people get so excited and so like it used to be the late of Tallaween the American Horror Story was coming out and then you would start getting excited and it's not been this strong over the last few years but I think that's down to more to do with a few weaker seasons because let's be honest I think these probablys run away ideas and without Jessica Lange it they lost a little bit of its gravity as well. Yeah I lost a little bit of its sparkle because let's be honest she was the absolute diamond in this in this series but I'm gonna be I look at things and from the horror community side that I have that I heavily follow on Instagram this show after 11 years still has the same pull still has the same gear and up to them what it has done since the first series I still see people watching them timers waiting for the next series to come out you know their pictures of them you know what I mean like they it's still it's 11 years on the best thing I find about American Horror Story is it gets you talking? I was gonna say something different to the Martin.