Nerdy Up North Podcast - Avant Garde Wrestling

We are live. We are live. Welcome to a very special episode of the Nodia of North podcast. It's a Nodia podcast and it's hosted by Northern nodes.

I am on your host Sam. And I'm the host Paul and we are joined tonight's by our wrestling guru in the Nodia of North podcast which keeps on whipping the chains and telling us all about the exit and the things that's going on. People taking bumps. Yeah, it's quite much.

Jack. And we are joined by a very special guest tonight and we are very pleased to have him. Lee from Avant God Wrestling. He has been a member of the Nodia of North Group and for a while I believe.

I think I saw you join a while ago and I know Josh was a member of the content. I unfortunately Josh is at work so he is taking the reins. So thank you for joining us tonight. Lee hopefully I can see what we have a bit of fun and talk about yourself and talk about the promotion but just give us a little bit of information about yourself and how you have started at Avant God.

Well first of all I'm a fan of the channel on the podcast. People like the past year and now and you know what I've commented on your little debates and I know you're debate and stuff like that. You know what I've heard? I've heard about it.

It's not a big fella. It's a big fella. I try and mask that. I can't you know what I've heard.

It's a bit hard you know. So it's a pleasure being on the show. And yeah, my name is Lee. I'm a big wrestling fan.

I know you are Paul and you know what everyone's got their own opinions of what wrestling is. You know, different beliefs from people like I know someone like Strob you know and Jake likes a certain wrestling style and maybe mine might be a bit different. You know? And I think at heart we love professional wrestling you know, and different beliefs and different parts.

No definitely. I think again with wrestling you always go in different waves and different probabilities. I know like when I was a kid like the attitude era and everything was kicking off and that was the big thing then Well, I was not a kid between the teenagers before that There was always like the cardown area But now we were getting more varieties to everything because it was always like you had like back in the day Was always like that either one side or the other side But now there's so many different options or varieties now It's the kids for all different types and it's it's probably a lot people slide off wrestling now But I think it's probably the best wrestling we have had in the last 10 15 years I don't think I could argue with that. I mean it's quite strange You know as a wrestling promoter to say that I don't watch a lot of wrestling now You know and that you know that might seem a bit barmeable So in the past for a little past decade on maybe 15 years stretching that that far that I wouldn't class out I would have watched wrestling.

I wouldn't cast myself as a fan put it hard. I love it You know, I mean I felt like I've been burned as a wrestling fan as in the content that was going out I wasn't really a fan also. I'm not gonna watch it. I don't have to sit through and watch it I'll just do something else, you know that I like you know Maybe football or something a bit more nerdy, you know, I mean, how do you about anything door?

Yeah, I feel like everyone has that moment where they're kind of drift out I don't know if it's just like like you say if it is like the quality of the product changes or something But I think as well like everyone has to like have some time away from wrestling because it's never ended Like you got you got in these you got different channels You got video games like anything and like there's so much but it's always nice It's like it once you're in it's a nice thing to like drift back to when you feel like ready again I want to try out a different style like you were saying no definitely But I was I know you're like We'd be in Jake went to the last haven't got event I don't I remember the day at Jake. I was always better than me. What was the last day at one was it was it December? I was a January.

Sorry, it might be December. He's definitely didn't do in January. It was cold I was like October and November Yeah, it was not just like around our birthday at time Paul It was worth it wins But anyway, yes, that was a very a very like cool experience and it felt nice to be like almost on the ground level of something Like I know you had had a previous show But it was nice to kind of get in there early and see kind of what you guys are building How have you found like the like the northeast wrestling scene to be at the moment and like based on your previous experience and stuff Yeah, let's just say British wrestling is all it's and I think I'll bend through a boom period Two years of probably put a pre-covid Different factors may be that impacted that but it's it's gradually getting better, you know I probably bet is the wrong word. I just mean as in you know called it hit us, you know financially Emotionally, you know, you know small businesses everybody involved, you know, I'm not just wrestling and it's getting back on its face You know the man and the North East wrestling saying you know, it's a bit of a mixed bag You know, I mean, but it's I think wrestling in general is just a niche thing anywhere Certainly what we're trying to do we're more than each of an each thing.

Yeah, you know Wrestling as a whole is you know again. I'm generalizing here It's book said wrestler they come up they turn up they put their boots on they'll go through their match and then they'll have a match It'll be goody versus buddy and we kind of want to do something different We want to do and advertise promos yet people's promos stories more work into that, you know again I might be there going up on a ramsin there Maybe if you need us to know You go for it, you know, rest in to me. It's a fight It is a fight, you know, you'll go down your local booze there and it'll be too too bad something of a terrible It's like not too bothered about why the terrible of who's punching who's it? But what's led them to that point and you know if I can kind of make sense of this It's that that that part in avant-garde that we want to maximize it's what what happened?

What's the altercation? You know who said what we're you know, the personalities of these people You know that the fight the rest of the match that's just a rubber stamp to remain in it Yeah, if I make my next point because it's fresh in my mind It's you can have athletic guy here versus athletic guy or athletic guy or athletic woman They all you know if you want to have your females match or you know in the gender but and Then again, I'm speaking generally it's I'm gonna take this title off you I'm a better wrestler than you the last time we've based I was a bit better than yet now. That's all right Well, what happens the next time when those two are 30 people fight the next time? It's run out content here So we're at avant-garde.

We're looking at the personalities right? That's a bit vulnerable guess what we're gonna do we're gonna we're gonna you know have a good You know have a good is one of those but we're gonna expose his own room We're gonna show his important really we're gonna show that person's strength You know instead of instead of like the athletic moves and the fancy Rather than a task if you want to call it. We want to concentrate on the stories and the happen of things. Yeah I love the fact that it's storytelling over the actual match Do you know what I mean?

The match? Yes, that is that is that is that that's point B But point it is the story telling beforehand. I absolutely love that It's like you going back to the all school of wave doing it in any setting 100% it like that's the thing that's what makes you care It's like if you say to people just having a fight you're not really gonna be that bothered saying boys brain in That's an attendant Well, if you make that person care about the person who's like kind of you kind of jiggle them up like I think one of the There was a few matches on the night That's so but the Josh what Josh is one I've with I kind of remember the guys name was was it JT or I can't remember the names now, but it was like a pro movie for where he was like like the apprentice and the turned on him And it was kind of likes in or he's not good enough He was like he was hit through underdog story and you're born in and again I'm not the most animated people in public. I'm not me this asset now to enjoy it But me and Jake were just bottle-affronation We'll get an open like cheering on and make it get actually getting involved But it was like that all the way through those different aspects and different storylines So it wasn't just like go take a seat this person But one of the most fantastic matches I've ever seen and again I'm not one for gimmick matches as well.

I'm only like a good storyline say good match But that's silence match with with with winged winged man in action and punch was one of the most entertaining things I've ever seen Period and it was just basically two people who and rest the moves to find me each other talk Yeah, like it's just like explain it to Sami and some of the listeners But yes, like the the loose condition was if you like put it a sound you would lose and that also like translated to the audience also needs to be quiet And I'm telling you now I if you told me that before I would have been like there's no way you're gonna keep in Newcastle Rest and crowd quiet just based on like you know pure like in-ring charisma I guess but he pulled it off and we were like sat there doing like silent claps Everybody was everybody was invested and yeah, but I agree on that the Joshua Kodak match as well because I think like indie wrestling It's tough because you sometimes lose context if you're not like there every week which everybody can't be And you lose the commentary like which is normally how you would like get storylines across So I think like you guys you do have a bit of an uphill battle But like I think the focusing on the sort of cinematics is really helping that get across without having people just come out on the mic and literally Save the thing because sometimes like you lose a crowd like a you know a local crowd who doesn't isn't there Like but if you can show them a quick like here's everybody involved now. They're gonna come out I think like that really that really worked for us being like first time in attendees And they actually have tickets for the next one as well, so But the one thing again what surprised me because I think we're talking about before we came on live Is what turned up at the pub in Newcastle and as I said I'm a man like turned up in like seeing a new castle and it doesn't look like look like much when you walk up to the pub it looks like just a general And then you walk down the hall and it's like going through the curtains and I put like not a blow smoke up You ask for the production values and the way you've set everything up you were transformed It was like you were in it like I say a mini arena So if you're doing like that type of production value and like an array in that like in that size I am getting a little bit more excited to like say if you do grand share or grow into like a bigger place or bigger arenas as well Like say fingers crossed to what that does lead because it can be like say like a little bit more like I can see where it's one if that makes sense Well, I appreciate that. There's some kind of words from all of you is there and Enjoys, you know as soon as you walk in there, you know, it's I like to think it's a good it's a good space And this is like you said that you've alluded to that. This is this is the early stages You know, is it the finished product?

Oh no no landing and um, you know, I'm cringing inside when you're saying when you're giving compliments because It can be better. I know it can be better But if this is the early stages and the fans are looking at that that's great We keep going with it. We keep turning out the content. We keep the production values are gorgeous.

I believe you know I can give myself and my team my partner back my team most And we you know we could they can be better? You know what I mean, and you know, it's You know, yes, we're in we're a wrestling product and it's they used to do it a bit airway, but it's like look what look What we're doing just you know, you know, you don't you know, you don't have to be on board about that right away But all the time well, you know, I had to change a culture But we don't have to change a culture because there's so many good things that they do anyway But we want to maximize everything that we do here, you know, you know, use of the masters of in that ring, you know You know from beltedell, you know, but we can help you on the characters and the stories and the story lines and what it works Well, those then that's what we want investing, you know But it's interesting that you see in that as well as I think that's the attitude I have to never be kind of happy about this It never be stagnated or never say wrestling your laurels. It's like we've done well, but what's next what's the next thing? And that's how good things always start in my opinion as well.

It's similar how we work with the podcast if you wrote back to episode one I still feel that but I forgot to press record so we don't know full episode And we didn't even record it so we had a re-record it But we just shot like just two videos that side by side no production no graphics And I think we had the first episode we had the voiceover from It's like learning new things and saying what right so then actually going out and doing your research as well and mixing what other people doing I don't want to copy of them, but if they're doing something like one way why either doing it one way and learning and adapting and stuff like that And it's I think I feel quite fortunate as well to discover it as it was at this stage Because again, I know like say it could be just like say with being on here I would say this like it's your face as well I feel like we've been a fan from ground ground on and I'm interested to see watch it where it goes and see where it goes I know there's other like say north east independent ones as well I think like in the group of had loads of people posting about wrestling school starting up everywhere and everywhere There's a lot of people going to say go on and and wrestling I think is one of those things that do is get looked down upon by general public or general entertainment as a whole But it shouldn't be because sports and wise and story wise it can't be as entertaining as any of anyone's like sure Is that they were kind of love and athletic wise it's more athletic than most sports like you'll watch like see it on every side 100% I got it great more and You know, I respect every man and woman and you know race gender It releases up them then boats, you know, it takes a lot of dedication and passion And to just get in there, you know, and it's a lot trauma on the body But I dare say it the mind as well, you're going to be because it can't be on the mind as well for different reasons And but again, I like the two movies, you know, and I think the best best actor in the world In general or anybody like that you put them in a and not a very good story and not a good movie I don't care how good of an actor you are if the story isn't good I'm not gonna watch it. You know Because all the same they was he's showing up his martial arts It was no actual real story to it, you know, and it's gonna appreciate the fact it seems and the special effects and stuff like that But give me a story give me a moment, you know, and one of the influences, you know, it's just new people You know, we're all different, you know, I look to talk it sounds a bit weird. I'll just talk strangers Because we keep giving something or a look You know when when the poor opposite for personalities meet, you know, let's put the story on so you've got a super geek versus a Book looking guy, you know, and how did that what's the body language? Are they looking at each other how they communicate?

Are they aware is he aware that he's a geek is he aware that he's popular? You know, it's how these people communicate, you know, so he can get like different influences from from movies and you know, wrestling products and magazines and you know, people than nerdy sort of all but just human interaction I find fascinating, you know No, definitely and I think that's one thing I've learned and since they were near the North Because I did when I first started up the project, I did put everyone in the one bracket and said I'm gonna treat everyone the same If anyone acts up or things that's gonna be like this is gonna be the same type of reaction But you can't do that because there's always reasons for it and and the more you talk to me in the community You can find out more and it's you find different people's interests. That's why I know I always joke and people say I'm not nerdy Everyone's nerdy about something you can be nerdy about food sports Literally anything you're passionate about that's you just being nerdy about that subject and when people grasp the concept They're kind of getting bored more and kind of enjoying more But I'm interested as you said with your influencers So I know when we went on my decided to be interested in wrestling since the very early years So what would you like the influencers when it comes to like wrestling? Yes, well, um And you know, so me as a four-year-old sitting in front of the telly when he brothers, you know, knocking the front of him dancing They gave us these huge men More than you know, I thought he had been I'll step from the curtain and we'll call them and you know, I'm getting I'm getting a good response now Just talking about you know talking about it.

You know what the influence he has, you know Call of Corn nowadays or whatever, but if he you know They didn't he captured to be captured, you know generation. I mean he's still those, you know, and you know the vitamins and all that you know, but it was a larger than life character and you know, you know Fast forward to you know, they wrote that Jude era and Poco and sorry strong called to see what's done in the rock. You know, there's no there's no How do I say it? You know the rock is on top of the entertainment business, you know, you know, that's not by coincidence It's because he's the best entertainer in the world and we saw that as wrestling fans, you know, you know, and I lose two before but it's it's all yourself there and How'd you pound a John M pet?

It's sunny And you choose yourself as some I'm looking at some So Well, yeah, it's about you know about the characters and You know It happens all the time Ask like how did you get your start in like pro wrestling like when did that come about and It's always something I wanted to do, you know, you know through school. I do that. It's not no. These are the practice wrestling moves It's quite cool.

I think we all did that Once I was incredibly naive and was just you know, I was a skinny teenager and I was like, you know, I just think is everywhere I'm fine. It's okay. So I was the one who got the majority of the moves done too. And but yeah, no, it's not we all did it Yeah, I remember sitting in front of the room a career that I said and she said what do you want to do?

I knew I wanted to be a wrestler and I thought do I see it? Go on and I'll see it. I'll be a wrestler. I think she's my what and I went to excuse the point and I went Or to be a wrestler.

I think she gets a pamphlet but you know the military or something. Oh, wow Something like that, you know, and it's um, you know, there isn't a huge success story where I can go. I told you saw mrs. Phillips I've just followed what I wanted to follow, you know, and um Success you can be able that in any way, but it's given me some great moments and great times and stuff like that That means more to me than anything, you know, you know, you're nine to five where I'm sick when I guess I've got one of them as well But it's you know, you know, you're gonna be out on the streets, you know what I mean?

You can be you know, you've got to be appreciated what you've gotten the experiences that I've had with wrestling and stuff like that. I'm very appreciate Sorry, sorry. I was gonna say like was there like an available like wrestling school for you at the time like or did you kind of get Took in by somebody. I've just thought curious how it worked sort of in the time you came up There wasn't you know, like I think it was I mean, I could I could be in I could be in so many purest retinal diapress and fancy and I look I looked online when you and it first You know started and it was it was in it was important.

I think it's called F. W. I could be wrong, you know, it was weird down It was weird down in south me as a 14 15. Okay.

I couldn't drive or anything like that didn't have a job out How can I get there? You know, and then a few years went by and so fly that then that and even more years went by and it was Probably my 20s where I saw self school in Newcastle, you know, and Rampage Brown and through face, um, you know, I don't you know, just I don't need to give a background on them, but I couldn't wish for that education And you know, I like to think that I was Reading the right the right way, you know, the right discipline and stuff like that, you know But if I can put my own sign on this I kind of already had that because I thought you know wrestling needs to be where you've got It's all respect and you've got to turn up on time. You've got what every training in session Yeah, you're a rock in your mouth shut and you learn you're really responding there, you know, and Yeah, it was a fantastic time just to step through those ropes for the first time You know, it was kind of like you step through the the ropes for the first time and it was like a force He was just coming around you feel felt technical about the same time, you know excited, you know, it was fantastic No, I was like living that life on fantasy. I'm not fantasy.

Sorry. Like like dream to busy What you wanted to do and like that goal and all like it's one of the things I wanted to be a rest of those are kids But as you said, I've another photo shoot or probably just the intelligence to Gordon like look it out type thing It was more just like we used to I was the most interesting what we did with a slim and riot Basically like kabales and stuff. So we used to try and push the haebails together and have a royal rumble with Like all the village kids. So it was always the last time.

So we've got all the kids and stuff thrown each other off these haebails Like kind of how we didn't end up killing each other or end up with like serious injuries But it was it was very the best things that we've ever done But um, I just I just said like I'm like I'm 40 So like when I was about 16 1718 and stuff there was no things in the northeast where you could actually go in okay And that's got a somebody five nine so and I didn't have Actually the aerial ability of like I think we in Poland that would be like that's much restless But yeah, so like because we're keeping like doing your own thing So I take this like a lot of different running avant-garde and working for other like companies or actually doing things there where And as such, what's the biggest difference that you've noticed from other than being in control so I mean like that aspect of it Uh, I'm not sure I'll answer this question but in terms of running it, I absolutely hate it I am very much with you there The business side are oh, you know, and this sounds strange because I'm speaking to you and I love talking, you know, it's been nice It sounds like I'm closing everything nice I'm not really a people person where you know, and I am, you know, I just keep myself because it sounds cool to say that, you know, the people person But I just don't like to be bombarded. You know, probably the best way to see it is I can't multitask So if I'm concentrating on the videography and being educated and stuff like that I want somebody in a specialized field that can deal with the lighting and the business side and the social media side And we've got that now, you know, and we've held up the Steve and Josh and the team and all the team there and they do such a good Then job behind the scenes and stuff like that and you know, you were talking about the very stage of nerdy up north and stuff like that You know, that's every show going into it. I was saying to Josh bless him on to the ground as is this work as a woman in the ground It's we've had our way to do you know the main goal is yeah, but it's their support and they're probably behind them You know, I'll back big then up and stuff like that and we never gonna go into the ground It was just a nice just a little joke. We had between ourselves, but it's you know, let's let's walk through the hard grind Do you know what I mean?

Um, if we succeed whatever that means wherever that will be it's really good. So say but if we fail, okay We've had a we've had a start at it and again again I'm going I'm going off them. I'm going on a bit of a tangent here But I'm trying to get the original questions that was just um, yeah, the difference it's you know And it's going to sense. We have where we can be more creative now and you know, just put your boots on and you're on against a good guy Or that he's you know, and then it's different moves again.

I'm speaking generally of course you've been in different stories You know, it's been very limited. You know, so it's yeah It's interesting to say that and as well, but you've been like the one in charge and stuff like saving the ship It must be difficult dealing with like a lot of egos as well because you're in a like that type of environment where it is very ego driven and Big personalities are involved. That must be difficult like to handle at times Or have you found everyone just been like saying the big picture and going for it? Like I said, but you know what we've we've we've we've we've touched on before we've we've got a family thoughts You know, and you know, and you know, and talk about the neighbors.

Let's mention one eagle. That's Nathan black No, he's the they're the Oscar worthy trophy winner. You know, and he's a minute you enjoy exactly who he is Wow About himself, you know, he's a tough stick to the narrative and he just goes off script You know, but um, however I see all that and see all their negatives and as soon as his music hits All of that goes out the window because he's the most charismatic guy probably on the scene at the moment And I'd rather have that and I can kind of deal with with with the other side, you know, the main sort He's the truth. He's the trophy bearish for us here and um, you know, he's gonna be some force to stop you know, but uh, yeah Like I'm just like, you know, I'm always a my mind.

You do absolutely That was my first time experience with Nathan and I was loving it Yeah Like since he came out, you make see other greasers look and you thought oh Like it was very hungry, punk man vibes. I'd come and I'd probably get here at the same time So we know we could see it was look at the size of everything And like I said, after all the time, I've been saying one show now we know he's catchphrase has stuck with us forever as well That's I'll never forget that What is it? The extra seven? Look at the size of me I thought you were actually like saying look at the size of him We did?

We had to He told us But no, um, he's got me saying it as well round out And that's it. I've remembered my point before I got distracted by um, Sam's name there It's it is its Mormons. It's whole corgan salmon on through the giant It's what the snake robits get me snake out of his bait and bait and run you imagine man savage on the arm whole corgan it's the rock fizz off, you know, you remember their Mormons and you know to get it back to this point It's it's Nathan back to chubbing look at their goddamn size and it you know and it's you know The match itself that's a rubber sample you'll go home and you'll remember Nathan Black for how much you get and you'll remember The the the the violence and silence match you will remember the vulnerability of the Josh Kodak story, you know and help You know he would take him as a character and you know, I'm gonna go up one one if you don't mind It's just as a character is very vulnerable, you know, he goes to wrestling training and he's very introverted He will hold me a lot himself in his bedroom, you know, but at his core I believe I believe he's a good man. I just want to follow his dream like like everybody else, you know How do you think that by the wrestling community community?

You know, have you won't say that? Yeah, I see how do you been bullied? You know, you have your own thoughts on that but and there's a beauty in that way Josh is he troubled and things like that. But at least call he just wants to be a professional wrestler You know you said that you know you had aspirations, but you know you put the stops on that, you know And Josh bless him.

He wants he wants to be a wrestler, you know the names sort of regardless of his personality But you think of them, you know, I'll root for that, you know, I'll enter Hopefully they'll get his match with Howard and hopefully he'll get his day, directorless in Hopefully he'll be a free string. Yeah, we need that boy to have a win Kind of to see I was so excited when he said that Jake the snake match with match with match or match Cause that's like one of my first day core memories of wrestling because I watched I grew up with it with me granddad with all the British wrestling And then when he got Sky and Igor, we started watching what he would call this shiny race one Cause it was really good English one, but yeah, that was one of my favorite events I sat and watched it with him and watching it and Jake's like one of my favorite wrestlers and I'm just watching him do that on television. I was like holy shit Like this is this is this is the real deal right now. He has a sneak on that man's arm Instant I have been hooked like I can't say that I'm into it at the minute It's just that's just not my wrestling, but ever since that moment there that's when I was like, oh, this is it I'm I'm in this now strap yourself in I'm in this ride.

Yes, I'm an you know, you know, kind of I want a pigeonhole But you know, it is to the last wrestling fans, you know, it's bad that you don't watch wrestling now and it's you know I'm trying to be honest with myself is I'm not watching wrestling because I just got all there and I've got more responsibility in my life I just look at it and go this is not for me But you know you mentioned that there's very start at the podcast. It's has wrestling in my last probably nice couple months Really good. You know, I look at the Roman Reign storyline and the blue line then I am sat down and watched it Well, I watch it and I'll go well, that's that's magnificent You know the rest of my days have kind of actually got that he did Roman Reigns but not being You know, maybe being pushed in the wrong positions or Or something you throw a typing that was probably the big issue Because I think that's where wrestling fans kind of because we're not it's not saying that we've seen before but we're lost Martin Now so it's kind of like we're doing like being told who to cheer for if that makes sense People and I think with Roman his biggest issue was but as soon as the shield formed went this is going to be the guy that's going to I've done with WWE was going to put that hat on and say this is going to be the new John Cena the new rock and And we didn't I think as a fan you didn't really see that because like in with the shield use how the D numbers and Sephral and so with a more interesting charismatic people and you're like no these are the people we want and It was like the was stronger together though. We're almost like And the thing about him being you John Cena like John Cena was still around so it was a bit like He's got absolutely no criticism around all he had no I watched a clip of the last event that he did when he went issue on Sami And I was like Jesus Christ that is not the Roman Reigns and I remember who honestly sounded like a brick could do a better job at talking Than the ring than him and that is The It's interesting that what Paul was saying about the about how like fans don't like to be told what to do in a certain sense But like at the same time like a lot of fans who were like who were just in it You know like no they're not coming in with preconceptions or like, you know, I'm gonna hit this They're just kind of there to be entertained like we almost do want to be told what to do like we're waiting for the restless to kind of like To like hook us in so it's like it must be like a really hard balance to get right to feel like you're not sort of forcing anything But you're like you're giving everyone the room to like draw people in themselves like it's definitely Like a massive art form like I can't imagine leave that it's like but it's ever easy to make those decisions Like like what are we doing for this match?

Like is the crowd gonna like respond type of thing like it's gonna be like a tough thing to to try and like balance I think a lot of that would be on the responsible of building off the rest of this because like you can I just said put them in the match and say tell the story But then you've got to like say pull the pull the match in and that's where the art form is for me when they're in the ring It's like reading the crowd Changing things on the fly. I mean and as I said, it doesn't have to be the most After he got like innovative moves said it just have to tell us tell that story And if you tell the story not just outside the ring but in the ring as well And I think Lee hit one the biggest ones that we've had in the last one in forever when we had that moment with the rock and whole Corgan standing there in the ring and for people forgetting like what happens in the match But for 10 minutes, they're still there looking at each other and looking at the crowd as the crowd kept on changing like the chance That again, I'm getting goosebumps just think about it because these are the two biggest icons Arguably if you take stone called out with the thing that wrestling's ever had And that like said that's better than any movie that's better than any song in my opinion Because that memory will always live with me for the rest of your life Some of them moments you can't you can't replicate it and you can't get that feeling like that your feelings will change differently Like the night I stayed up to what the night I stayed up to watch backlash in 2000 and 2000 actually it was 2000 And it was truly H versus the rock and it was like stone called was I probably told the story a million times But um stone called with the referee and he wasn't there and they came at the end and Vintamikman was just out there just chugging chairs and getting them jobe's score and Oh, the other guy can't remember his name to come down and be the refs and then all of a sudden el heaven comes down with lindom Oh, it's such an absolute amazing night I have never four o'clock in the morning screaming my head off when the rock finally pinned him up the stone called came down I will never be able to feel that moment again It's never been replicated and I've never gotten anything like that. I would have a film out of a song It was just it was magical I see a poem you got married It ended up in hospital like earlier so And you know you think about even the far-fetched moments and I don't think about even before came on this podcast about you know You remember when the USA was in the casket match with your coz owner Myself during this That's good This might be a better story than what I'm saying You know all the rest of come down the book the only say going to casa sorry if I'm spoiling spoilers I have a bunch of I know You know it's probably in the casket, you know on there on the big stream the time shown there is is is it you're going to heaven You know I'll resurrect whatever We know that that's you know, we say in balmy or a bit far-fetched I was in for it. I thought you'd went ahead and I was crying I like to kill the man We've got so much um, you know connection, you know connection trying to say feeling towards these characters, you know that when these ones do happen It's like oh so is that it then it's you're gonna take an occ on the back or is this that you're there and then you know You go through that whole period where you're going to come back, you know, and it's like oh great Restless my favorite wrestlers back.

You know he's got a new rocker and stuff like that You know, it's all about that the building them characters, you know what I mean And it's I go back to the to the scene and by famous slogan by many filmmakers and storytellers It's sure don't tell you know you can go you know taking can be on on screen and go I am the dead man. I killed people I put people in caskets and we leave nothing to the imagination I'll tell you the problem what that really got for me was when it was building the casket for locals in there And it was in a warehouse and all you saw was the back of the undersea care with the with the I don't know the technical terms for these tools. I'm not very dear I'm white I That crossroads and all you heard was the noise hitting the wood And that was that was basically the whole promo and that said to me he's building your cosin is casket Yeah, your cosin is going to go in that casket and he's the dead man And I think that's a better way of doing it visually than say I am the dead man I'm going to put him in the casket because I'm the best it looked like that It's what it is character What he would say and what he doesn't say No, and I think some eluded to like which mentioned a favorite rest like it's Nate Roberts Was the master of the promo as well because whenever he said he was going to do something you actually believed he was going to do something And I think that that was like the art form that a lot of people kind of miss out on because he said everyone's now saying I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna beat this guy.

I'm gonna win this title Jake never used to say that he was just gonna make you in the ring It's gonna be me and you and then I'm a delivered a DDT and that's gonna be it and he sent away I was terrified the psychology with that man was absolutely unreal But he could do like even now they just listen to him do interviews now and you sit there just going Seeing yourself moving closer and closer to the screen just like because you are totally taken in by this man He is absolutely for not just loving so much every day Yeah, like um, he like he also had like a great command of like the audience when he was in the ring just based on like body movements Like I don't know what it's what it's one of those like Like unquantifiable like things where you just you don't know why I guess like X factor you could call it that kind of thing Like he wasn't the best in shape wrestling that's be fair Like he was one of the big guys Like the vibe as Paul was hidden is legit like like you if he was saying he was gonna like make Ted dv Asi like while I'm in the sick the book of average you were like, yes, I believe it's so I don't want to be Ted right now You know what was these two own voice as well? About to Sean it there was he wasn't it wasn't the biggest and I think Well, especially I'm saying from myself, you know, you only appreciate probably that guy's work later on after he's retired You go, oh wow, you know, I was mesmerized by Hulk Morgan and stuff like that But it's actually when these when these guys go either over like the Jake Robertson, you know Brian filming and stuff like that Like that you look at them and go wow that they were a different priest, you know, they were probably one of the kinds then You know, I think only they could could have done that, you know, so Yeah, I'm a big fan of Jake Roberts That's something that I get now as I am older. I do appreciate it I was never a big Edgar Arow fan and it was incredibly sad when he passed away And I was I sat and watched that role what the nightly announced it and I was just in tears Um, I don't like saying men cry and watching all these these huge men just in tears heartbreak and but now like as in me now I absolutely adore that man and what he did and that stage presence he has that's just that's Completeing out of magic what he could do when a camera was put in front of him regardless if it was wrestling I didn't have anything like that. He was just magic Yeah, I don't know if it was just like I had a similar sort of vibe on him when I was a kid But I don't know if it was just because he was like mostly bad in the storylines So like I was supposed to hate him at times And I missed like the WCW years and stuff But yeah, a lot of the Eddie Assol was like, you know, he's he's cheating.

He's doing the wrong like he's lying. He's stealing He's being mean to China like what's going on? I know I know So but like that's he was so good and believable Like even him as a bad guy. He was putting his 100% into it like whether or not You know, he wanted to or not but I believed it Definitely I think when we don't know about top five ever wrestling that he was in what I was in my top five I believe just because I I appreciate him so much when he was there and when he was gone I appreciate him more But it just stands as said of how much of an impact he had that he's gimmicks now We're still being played like Dominic Dominic Mestibio like I'm like I'm really like I'm your papi I'm your mommy and stuff I still playing on a grips of Eligorero and like say the And all the same talks that and I think your arrows come back with the W's coming to an end so she's meant to be coming to WWE to help back And help clear that She was phenomenal her again another person.

I never appreciated until she was gone The what she brought to the ring was just spectacular. I loved it I think that is a lost art form for now for a lot of like the wrestling is the yeah Is the manager the manager aspect was such a huge thing back in the day I know what some elements were like Like head of factions or and stuff like that but the manager like the mouthpiece or get someone over like I do believe in Paul human for being too good at the role that he's kind of killed it for everyone else That's what I want I didn't I as a child and as a girl watching wrestling with all my like my my cousins were boys I was the only girl for a really long time And and then Miss Elizabeth comes on the screen and I'm like oh okay I have a clue to get that's all right I'm good. I'm married much of it Sorry And when it moved from Miss Elizabeth then to Sherry and sensational Sherry I was I was infactuated with that woman She was batched crazy in the best possible way and I just loved her but she she was she was a manager But she also kind of she wasn't scared to get amongst it And that's what I really loved if I had to go and say like all these women who who I've had conversations before and like oh Who was your first female like influenced and like oh princess leader and such like that I'm like no it was Sherry It was Sherry about it because that woman is just phenomenal But it's interesting as well like I know as you said with promo and stuff What would you say is your most memorable promo that you can remember like I've always saw in you under the bus a little bit But to be honest it is all the visualized I mentioned you take a one there or you know There's many you know like segments with like the jay And you know like type of And stuff like that from all that kind of promos, you know I keep on going about show don't tell cactus jack Yes, it was just look at me and say w when he was looking in front of the lens He kind of described a story he didn't say amaha I'm gonna do this you know you develop the story do you know what I mean like the key to do you stuff and stuff like that For me say w it was it was magical just saying a guy like I go to work but for me it is a talk about the It is about the visualization and you know even like just pro promo hype videos You know you go back to that one of the rock and stone called the sleeve You know the two biggest stars meet the WrestleMania you know with it with the music from Fred Fred Durst and stuff like that, you know I'm getting chills It's nostalgia isn't it and it's yeah Also like I think in that in that specific instance like rock versus Austin at WrestleMania 17 and they They actually I think like the dog really deep in Austin's character Like the rock kind of got a bit like short shift because he was just like coming in as the champion really But like the kind of exposed the side of Austin that you wouldn't normally see in like in sort of your classic like action hero story Where it was like he was going into like interviews and like sitting across from the rock being like like I need this rock Like you don't understand like I need this title type of thing Like it was the only thing like and that was like a weird vulnerability for like this man Who've just been like tearing ass like driving like trucks around the arena a few months before Like when I think when you can get that deep and like wrestling is like a collaborative sort of story form Like if you if the crowd's not there like with you like the story almost like isn't happening because they'll just ignore it and like Go back to like you know what they do like But yeah, like I think that's probably why we get a feel a bit more strong because it's like live in front of people You kind of like you're part of it You kind of invested in a way that doesn't happen with like movies all the time That's that's um That storyline was in the rock was not my favorite I think my favorite was the continental championship, you know when the bell actually matters and and people actually did one day I think it was in and Austin was it the rock through it over a bridge? Yes, when you say if you want a rock in going get it It was just the Boston all over the bridge that was some good telly Because when the rock was just starting to like come out from behind the nation of domination and started like uh become a bit bigger But mine is a little bit older than that It's like he said like they said it's a visual aspect I always did stick with it and it is a bit hokey But it blew me the way at the time was the papa shango an ultimate warrior A segment when they were face to face and all the warrior was going on about all the warriors behind them giving them the power to come and destroy Papa shango's voodoo and like not very PC now but papa shango starts shooting these bag of skulls and the black goos are coming down from the wall And i'd never expect to stop i was sitting on the telly going What the fuck why is this happening?

Like really leaving the papa shango and put this voodoo course on the wall warrior and i don't know what makes it What happened with the warrior wasn't like to the best of things afterwards, but that will always stand like i think it was on Not even on a raw smack and it was on a sad night main event And god so it wasn't even like a pro like oh this would be for on smack down where everything Yeah, but it was sad that night main event it was like they'll put over it like And I think they were like one of the big events as papa shango versus the warrior Which was probably the two-minute swash match which all the warrior matches was it because i'm against all go again But just that promo and just saying like the warrior freak out because it's black Me not even knowing where this fucking black goo would come from this totally and me and bits I remember that as well. I was thinking you The deco the warrior again I'm saying this you know what i mean to because i've got straight trade and i'm a look at a certain way But it was a bit famous in all the papa shango guy just all the curses can can come out and you know The only always pipe runrable here and stuff like that so it was it for the first time the old not warrior was vulnerable You never you never saw that you know the main you know Such a great to that i had the match and apparently according to the writers and stuff like that I wasn't a good match, but i don't think it needed today I don't i'd have to go back and watch the match but you know the build up in that it kind of didn't matter because For the first time the old not warrior was wonderful. He was just an Unstoppable force and here's this guy that's doing this moodo on him again sounds bit far fixed But not when you're a six seven You do believe that's not stuff, you know No, definitely i was complaining that's nothing the computer came out afterwards And like for the mega drive where i think was the royal rumble where you can actually play as papa shango and all the warrior and stuff like that So i was constantly because i think papa shango was finished and move at the time was a shoulder breaker So i was constantly giving the world a show the breakers And when all uh, when it comes to storylines and all like to But it's been such a key part as well in making what you guys do We've had some brilliant ones when it comes to wrestling and had some not so great ones I know recently the sammese in and the bloodline is just taking the worst wrestling world by by storm Even if you're like a fair weather or like a forgotten wrestling fan It's bringing people back into it just because of how I'm more of an amazing like I feel still pissing me so laughing at sammese getting everyone laughing on camera Saying it wasn't feeling oosey today was just absolutely one of the most breathless things But that also i think because sammy came on and started telling brock lezner what a vegan was and started to be a vegan Vagan live on thing and that was kind of like sammy's upward trajectory I think since then but it's amazing when you see a good storytelling doing well And I think with wrestling especially in wwe now because for a long time I'll read about wrestling rather than watching it. I'll find reading about it more in a day And which is strange thing to see but um the one more long term storylines now And that's to me is when I can get invested rather than oh this person's wrestling this month This person again, we're getting them storylines and like we used to get back in the deer But is any big storylines that you can remember that like stand out to you um like say And you remember that we were that sorry I mentioned before it was so cold and the rocker that hadn't had a big high profile match You know what i mean?

Then two with the biggest stars and it was it was a you know that wrestling any moment It was you know match it in match itself was it was fantastic You know, but you have all the hype and stuff like that back and forth You know and so yeah, that's probably that the match that stands out and then you had going back there You had like well clogan versus You know, oh you know, it's it's a big stars who's going away and it can be as simple as that You know and put you know, it's subject slightly but it's kind of what i'm in reference and there's There was a big fight on it at the weekend. It was blue. It was Jake Paul versus Tommy Fudri Now, I'm not a boxing fans by any means. I'll watch when the big fights are happening Are there the best boxes in the world?

No, they're not Or the two big entertainers especially Jake Paul, you know, and so I watch that you know what i mean? And this is what i mean if that was a two-year build, you know of Jake Paul the same personal store Then Tommy fighting back and then John Furries getting involved, Tyson Furries getting involved There's you know different different videos getting uploaded to me that's for wrestling for wrestling and um You've got you've got wrestling people that want to be cool and want to be Fighters and MMA people but then if there's no story then you've got you know, you've got Jake Paul and Tommy Fudri that want to do What we do you know It's a business sub-it type thing where Jake Paul's made it made an aim for himself I'm not really being the best boxer in the world He's got people tuned in because of the because of the bill because the story because of his character I love the problem child character. I don't know what it was like in person But he has made it as him and you've got Logan Paul and WWE right now, you know, it's it is You know, these you don't have to be the greatest wrestler in the world Yes, you've got a performance stuff like that You've got a you've got a you know what you're doing safely and you know, you've got entertainment on that That's wrong but you know it proves you don't you don't have to be there You don't have to be a brettard. You don't have to be a mr.

Perfect. Do you know what I mean? You've got a good story behind Jared if you can perform that on the promos and in the ring then that's gonna be more beneficial to you No, it's interesting as well like you said about the boxing because As I said earlier It's like pro wrestling is kind of like the black sheep of the entertainment Like world for a long time. Look at that wrong week But the same type of thing Pro sports like other pro sports like UFC boxing And like other type of combat sports have kind of like being taken a look at wrestling and trying to take aspects from it If you look at like the big names in the UFC like the chills son is like he's a promo guy He'll sit there and slag everyone off Conor McGregor would not be as big as he was without his gob and he's pro and he's been stuck man walking and and so on Um, like these things and even Tyson fury in a way There's a promo now that they'll have like a bani in the and the fear soft and stuff These type of things now because it used to always be like quite cordial and stand for until it was like nidal Ben and christu I'm gonna wish we see But um them type of aspects of kind of like even or like when they do interviews and stuff they'll Use well, they used to always look down a little bit on wrestling But now you got these people that come like big it up and you get the USA stars wanting to be part of wrestling like ronda rousing now Uh one of the biggest stars in wwe and exit being the heel character coming in there and doing it I know chills honestly wants to be part of the wrestling but uh that might be a problem please a bit of it Might be a bit of an ox or but Lesnar went to that Anything you don't really so Something about bromes the transfer should i say to an amir I'm just not you know a pro more guy in wrestling terms You know you probably call him we're down the listen terms are promo you know an amir In an amir or yes, it says can you see me now?

You know this this big this big wrestler guy how dare he come over to an amir He's a he's a he's a pesky wrestler. He's not a fighter He's come over out the playground, you know the main and it's Can you see me now and all that all there the fallout from frank me and struck out when he got on the mic and you know Dysput light and all that you know that that was it was superb. It was brought by something himself But also a character, you know, he knows how to do his job by any means But he knows his job, you know and it could create a lot of interest in them You know any kind of all the them be more respectful and stuff like that. He's a business man No, definitely but it's interesting so I know We had a little bit of a conversation as well as like we did talk a lot like sorry content wise But like say from the events as well.

I know we've got the one coming up on what day is it again? It's an awesome March March age March reading that's the one what's like the idea next is it like say do this event or do you have like a plans? I was not letting too much out of the bag like what's what's the future plans? I would love to keep you an exclusive for the next one It has been called but I wouldn't be you know, I can't say it online but it will be getting announced and You know, it's the extension and follow up of said storylines.

You know, so you've got the Should we say top of the bill? You know, that's not where it's heading. It's you know, the Josh code I can teach teacher, you know, the relationship there It's broke down for for for many reasons, you know, and I'm not gonna give my opinion on it That's for the audience to the side, you know, it's teaching to a person student, you know You know, just what I just wants to be a professional wrestler Does he look like a wrestler? Is he the size of a whole gorgon?

Does he even look like a stereotypical one of man looks like, you know, you know, he's a He's effectively a child doing this, you know, and he's a boy. He's one of the fillies dream, you know, and you know, got he's a Well-traveled, you know, well-experienced and you know, he has certain Equating criteria of what it takes to be a wrestler, you know, and I'm not giving my opinion on it It's for for other people at Georgia and just just your call back for live up to that, you know Should he be vilified for for his personality and he's Get out of there weirdness and uniqueness or does that need to be celebrated that that's up to the audience decide, you know But this is coming to a head, you know, and you'll certainly be a feature on on on thorough on March 18th And it'll be an extension of what's already been happening and you know, you've got Ace Matthews and Luke big glue there, you know, and Ace Matthews just doesn't want to engage in a fight with Luke Nixon, you know, and who would you know, he's a Jitter Met fighter, you know, and he's a lined himself with Jimmy Wall and he you know, he believes that Luke believes he goes through the channels of Jimmy Wall that he can get it done, you know, it's been in the promo, you know, Jimmy, you know, he's probably the Del Boy of British wrestling, you know, he's called himself a facilitator, you know, and he'll get things done So, you know, he believes that he can get this much signed at Feral between Luke and Luke and him, Ace So does Ace come out and he's asleep, can I use that one? I already have. I love this.

That was a tad again, like, oh, he sneaked out with that match up the last one as well, that was frustrating because the guy and the my guy just wanted to see him getting slapped about, I'm not gonna laugh But that's the sort of good guy who's like, good getting the crowds worked on good one And the one thing I was good wonder about as well, I know you did have the trophy at the last one, is there gonna be an avant-garde belt Well, you know, it's what does the belt symbolize? It symbolizes the champion, you know, it symbolizes Pop the boot chain in British wrestling, so yeah, we are looking at a championship belt, you know, and who is worthy of that? You know, you've got them, you know, Nathan Black is on such a charge, you know, you've had, you know, Dara Diabolo on the first show, you know, people are like, like, named to Bronson and things of that nature, you know, so Just on the side note, you can do songs creative with it with a character like Bronson, should I say, you know, and do you see Andy Hay was that the right word, or an empty face, is that what you call it? Andy Hay is the top tenor, you know, you've got to take a show, Josh Helco to go on and be a champion, you know, so you've got something in the works, you know, but you've got to tune in, you've got to be there to see each other, you know You've got a space princess and Commander Stirling kicking about as well, you've got to be careful about that and all that, you know, and you've got to follow, and you know, a big fan base there, and you know, very entertaining, you know, and Yeah, that was, that was who I was like, we were excited to see, so I was very, very happy that you brought them in to the Avogad family, because that was amazing We've heard of what you do get a belt, I can see Jake trying to get into the ring, trying to just get out of the back, he's known on the belt, or just a picture with the belt in As Lee said, respect, don't tell, I'm going to charge the ring I'm going to grab a piece of the last shot because you couldn't sneak in early Yeah, I do like to kind of pretend I'm supposed to be somewhere every now and then see what you can see That was such a nice experience, I want to walk in, I know we were like a little bit early, I would just walk around and like we're just like, probably two little school boys just like going up on all the bright lights It's the ring, it's very like imposing, but also like impressive, because like, when you're a kid, you just see this like from the camera pull back position, and then when you get to stand in front of it And the noises, you've never heard noises like, I know that sounds a bit weird, but that stays with me, like hearing the bumps, hearing the hits, and when they get thrown over the top rope and you actually get splashed with a sweat It's all the experience and I hope I'm sounding it well for you there You really really are As I said, we will be there in spades and we'll try not to get that too early this time, but we'll definitely try and get the front row again because that was amazing But yes, Lee can I ask like one thing, if you've got like any advice to anyone who wants to get it the rest of them who might be listening or like anything, what would you kind of give to them in that regard?

First and foremost is to be healthy, you know, I'm saying this as a certain, I'm giving my age now, I'm a certain for your grown man, so I've got plenty of injuries and I've trained in the wrong way, you know, and I'm certainly starting to feel like now, you know, so first and foremost it's being healthy, you know, I'm not just in the mind as well, you know, and I'm not going to get the kid See anything, that's, you know, that it's all dreams and hopes and you know, all of that is you're going to get everything that you just put in the hard work and stuff like that, it's about being healthy for us and foremost And if this is something that you really want to do, you check out your local skills that are available now, you know, you look at Northern Graftea, you know, and run by HD Drake, you know what I mean, he runs a very sound facility up there in Newcastle And you know, Rampage Brown, he's still very much on the scene, you know, and it's worth seeking advice from him and stuff like that, he has his training skills as well, you know, so you want to check that out, so I'm going to get different training skills, you know, you can get different styles from different cultures, you know what I mean, so it's worth checking them out, you know, but first and foremost, it's about being healthy, you know, I'm not kidding around here, there's a lot of trauma that goes with wrestling in terms of what you do to your body and stuff like that. So it's about eating, right? You know, you know, train and outside of wrestling training as well and just keep yourself physically for your team. But also if you just want a decent social life as well, you know, if you just want just one thing as a trigger, you know, you can go and just, you know, you're over wrestling.

So if you want to just be apart from that aspect, you don't want to be the next woman, reigns or whatever you don't have to be. But if you want to just be amongst wrestling, then you can do that as well. There's no, there's no issues with that. I think I said the training part, I saw someone running the ropes before.

And I just, I just said, something as simple as, well, I say, I say, sorry, because it's very specialised to do is hitting the ropes and running the ropes especially in weird, so getting your ears is right, getting the cardio in and actually building up the calluses as well for the rocks. They leave marks that I didn't believe would leave marks as well. So even if the basics is probably, is probably the best thing to put on as well. Because you get these kids now who do these death matches and see, like, putting people through who knows what's just to get on YouTube and think it is quite scary.

I don't know what we talked about earlier, like say, what's kids, we used to do like that things on mattresses or a hair veils and stuff like that, which was ridiculously stupid enough. It seems before health and safety. Well, these ones do go up now, but it is become, as I said, more popular than people realise, I think, just by doing the near the North Group, there is other independent wrestling companies. I think our skills are how poor said things for people to come down.

I think there's one in South Shields that someone goes to as well. But again, I don't know them personally, I don't know them, like, say, how the run, but it's just interesting to see options of their people that were probably not there when we were younger as well. It's lovely to see that aspect because if you're a wrestling fan, you've had the thought run through your head when you were younger, like, that's what I want to do, but it was not accessible. Now it's like, my God, I really, it's ridiculously accessible.

I wish I was younger. I wish I had the reason without the need for my problem. But I know you're, I mentioned before as well, like, I know it's probably a cliche question to ask, but what are your top five wrestlers? Would you say your favourites were?

If you put things on the spot, the question is very much so, you know, in the morning. And so I think they sort of dropped the building, so broken. I've talked about him and what were the influence he had and, you know, he got me hooked on wrestling, obviously. And number two, I probably put strong called Steve Austin.

Just, just as kind of, you know, and, you know, driven a bird and, you know, drink the cans and show him the team, you know, on the mic, he could do different versions of his character as well. I love the whole, you know, people are not, not so much fans of it. But there was a group that wasn't fans of the fans of it. And I can understand why it's because people saw them, Steve Austin, as the Texas Ratsen, and the Jukai, like, like, strong, Jose, wasn't, that was giving people hooks.

You know, you know, you can carry it. And the ukulelele as well. And all he created was Vince McMahon's love. Yeah.

That was such a good, more dimension to the character. You know what I mean? And that's what it is. And that's kind of like a great about certain characters, maybe in wrestling, now where it's just, or he's a tough guy or he's a cocky guy or he's, you know, you've got, let's say Josh Golda, for instance, you've got a character there, but that's just so, it could go in different directions, you know, at least college just wants guidance, you know, and maybe so many subplots and narratives.

You could run with that, you know, in an aim book. So yeah, that's an up for another story in at number three. The rock. Yeah, I've got to go with the rock, you know, and you could, you could, you could swap maybe then to about strong call on the rock, you know, and I put him as number three.

And number four, and that's the thing here we've got. Really clear and I don't think I don't need, I don't need to appreciate it. He's worked like we were saying before, like later on in like, you know, I just, I remember at the time of like, Oh, I was four years old, I was thinking, his I thought Rick would play was about 90 when he's never lucky on has he? I was like, you know, great.

I was like, why is this old man winning all the time? I was also confused with that. I was always confused by five steps and fell over. That was all the way.

The flag. That's part of his move. Set, you know, I mean, I don't think he's ever come off the top rope and nail something before he's all been put and slammed up. You know, so it's, it's probably the best heel in wrestling.

So I've got to give him a look forward and number five, all that other thing. It's going to take a two. I like it to a little bit of curveball and that could see the undertaking. I'll go with Brian Donut.

We appreciate his work. And when, obviously, you know, sadly, when it, when past, you know, after, you know, you look back on his work and like the legacy that he left was all many people and you know, you look at him and I don't want to put, put my, put my God, put myself in this bracket. But you know, what gets thrown about me is that I'm crazy. I don't like to call myself that.

But like in terms of having guys crazy thing to do in terms of where you can come up with a new concept, when that's such an, you know, I've got these crazy ideas for them, some of them are achievable. So but I'd rather start up here than, than, than down here. Cause if you can start up here, then you can work yourself down. Well, my, trying to get back on the top point with Brian and tell me he was crazy.

You know, and so many ideas that he had that he come up with that. It was on, it was on a podcast all the time up there. Steve Austin was saying, he was saying he wasn't there in the middle of the Super Bowl. He wanted to, and chain himself up to the goal posts.

That sounds like rainoff. And you know, the heat that he got in his seat, you know, and stuff like that. You know, you talk about different tones of voice, Jaitlyn Snake Roberts was very much one of two. He was always screaming, you know, and you, you believe he was a crazy guy.

And you know, even out the characters who are here, he liked, he liked to play the character. The Brian Pelman, you didn't know whether he was Brian Pelman, the character of Brian Pelman, the actual guy in the, just an, an enigma rock. Is that the right word? That comes to film and I watched him as a beyond the mat.

No, that's a couple of copies of the copies of the documentary. That's a completely different document. You have a sword wall. But yeah, the dark side of the ring, and I didn't realize, you can't draw the line between the two people.

The way that his personal life was to how his wrestling life was, there's just, there's no more distinct line there between it. It was the gun. It was the gun on live television. That's what I remember the last time I was a child.

I was talking about how old to me. Do we say you were a foster was coming through your door, but eh? We thought, I don't think we would have got darston. We had if it wasn't for a pillman, because I know like the Hollywood Blondes in WW say, WW say, WW say, WW say, WW say, WW say.

Um, I think Austin learned so much from filming, like say, like how to be like, not just like a fantastic wrestler, but how to cut a promo, how to like, hurry himself. And you have to remember as well, when by the time, Tillman got to WWE, he had that bad accident where he couldn't in a walk. Yeah. So basically, all these times through WWE was just, I just, and you never would remember this, but he was a promo guy.

It was the guy that like done all the talking, like the hard foundation. He got them over so much. And anything where you've got like, own heart, bread heart, baby boy, Smith. And, um, twice a time I was a gym.

I don't remember the gym. Gym, my heart. And he got them over so much more than that. Like, not saying they wouldn't have got over eventually, but fastly just because he came from the TV and the mic, he didn't know what he was going to say.

Yeah, he was a couple of times. You know, even in that area, you go on the feud with him and gold, just, you know, the probably couldn't do that nowadays, that storyline, but the way he performed that, this guy is obviously rocker, he is absolutely offers rock. You know, I think even prior to that one, you know, each of the 30 days or whatever, it was, it was like a drill, he had a pill and had to wear a dress, you know, and it was that he was getting laughed at, that he was getting embarrassed, you know what I mean? So when he admits justice, or he's going to milk this, you know what I mean?

And it's, you know, again, it's a different time. You probably have to do that storyline a little bit different, but it was the performance in that. You know, you believe he was an absolute fruit loop, you know, and it was, it was great. No, definitely.

But I was going back to Austin as well. Like, I can't believe like the stuff he got over. Like, he's only, he got the word, what over. And it's still getting upset in the arenas today now.

I even though it's the most annoying chat. But I love it when a wrestler like does something like that and gets me like Mr. Eric Orr and all, like say off the wall now, but he could literally get anything over just by like the list, a scarf. And I think recently he got over a pen.

He got a cheater with on the other night in Ricky Sarks, I think. He's like getting a chance for a pen. Is he going through a bit of a heel stage at the moment? Because his interviews at the minute, he sounds like a proper little bit of Eddie.

I think he's always going through it. You know, in, I think a lot of people in wrestling say the best character sometimes yourself turned up to 11. I think Chris Jericho was just showing a bit more of himself lately. He's just dialed it up a bit.

Well, but now I know Lee's a big fan of Hulk Hogan. If I don't say Hulk Hogan, come back at the next, I haven't got a dress. But if it's all good. Paul doesn't hear real American cover that.

I think play it for Paul when he comes back from the toilet. You know? I mentioned that. Yes.

No. What you mean? From like what Josh has said as well, like in the post, he's almost sold out now with the event. Isn't there's only a few tickets left?

Yeah, it's limited tickets. The R silence and sticking fast. And we do have a promo card just for your nerdy of North listeners. And it's non-incadble that is in you.

And I know like 25% off. And it's, you know, we look at half of your there. And like I said, the promo card is 24 hours. So please get in there.

And the R artist can still available. But like I said, I'll read where they are very much. Yeah, come and hang out with me and Paul as we get to chat with wrestlers and forget everything else around us. I am the most social person in the world.

So if I get recognised and it's on the rest of the stage, I'm just going to run outside. So that's what I'm saying. And I definitely can't make this one because of March as a mad month. But I really want to go.

Like I really want to go. I've never been. They'll get you there. All of my life being the wrestling fan, I've never actually been to a live event before in any aspect.

So I really want to go. I think we're going to try and get Donna. They've done a would be scary. Donna would actually, like if you ever seen a person, at least she would never, I know it sounds really strange to say this.

She has the person, I'll be the rest of her if that makes sense. She has very much a larger, a lot of the life. Well, that sounded like the right person away once. Or bring me.

I'll put it on the top. Oh, but she might be a nice person to speak to as well. Because she runs one of the big cons in Newcastle. She runs Sonnecon.

I'm a little bit of a bitch. Yeah, I know. I know. It's not Roman there in like Bison and Cosplay.

Wow. I'll be on flying through the air. That's so interesting as well. I was just looking at it with creative people.

And that's one of the reasons why I did a wrestling show. I want to just do a wrestling show. That's kind of just like the sprinkling of it. It's really what I want to do.

I want to work with creative people. And Eagles is one thing. You get them in all walks of life. I could do without that.

But how can we get the best content, shall we say content for the fans? And that's what it's all about. It's not about me. It's not about the people thing that I did.

It's not about Josh saying, I'm finding a wrestling look at me. It's about the overall concept. It's about the overall entertainment and all about the fans engagement with us. And just for an enjoyable night.

It's like, well, back to my point. It's about working with yourselves, creative people, what you do. And everybody that's like a network and I find that this is, yes, I'm doing a wrestling show. But please reach out.

We're not going to be busy about the conversation. If that's what you're in for, the creative process and all that. Even if it's just to talk all the nerdy things like what we're doing now. That's what we're all about.

You never know when something's going to trigger a good idea. That's how we started. This thing was during lockdown, as yourself, you were just itching to do something creative or knock on the pub and make 20 friends about things that you enjoy or movies you enjoy. I couldn't talk to anyone about the Goonies, so I just killed us.

So I had to, I said that was the whole premise behind, you know, your north was just to get people together to talk nerdy shapes. And then some badges are doing a podcast. That's the most confident or social people. I'd say I like to hide behind the computer.

I don't know when this was actually terrifying. But once we started doing it, it's one of the most addictive things I've ever done in my life. And again, looking at a similar being, we just do it because we like to do it. It's not like there's no trying to get views or anything, which is nice.

It's like, obviously we do try, but we're not like false and anything. It is very much like a creative outlet and it's nice to have that. It's terrible. It's terrible.

And like what's been great, like as I said, the last few months, people have been reaching out to us or we've been reaching out to them to come on and tell them about themselves as well, especially if they're on the northeast and especially if they're doing something that we are interested in. And so it's been a very different story of how they get started and what they're passionate about. They kind of like lights a fire up your ass a little bit as well. And bringing vigor to you.

We've been doing this now. Like, so 122 episodes of the 23 episodes. I told them shifts. Yeah, like, I mean, I'm just going to admittedly like asking to get some wrestlers on the podcast was like absolutely selfish thing because I wish like when I was a kid that I had a kind of like, I mean, I know like the net's full of it.

But like, I wish I had that kind of like mentor kind of like, you know, this is how you get in. This is what it's like. This is what we're trying to do. Like, it's always like, that's something I want to do with the interviews and stuff is kind of get some information out there.

Like, you said, networking, share some like techniques just so everyone can like be better and be good. That's all I want to do. The way you go, Crossley is very, you've almost like, you just want to be a storyteller. And I just love that so much.

I'm coming from like, I love comic books. So in comic books, there's nothing, it's nothing, it's not storytelling. And I just love the fact that you want to bring that you just want wrestling in story or storytelling in wrestling because that was what that's what got me into it was like, that's what got me into it was the storytelling. And I do feel like, for the last few years, it has lacked a bit of it to where it's just mundane or boring or it's not aimed at me.

I don't know. But I love the fact that you just, it's storytelling is driving you. Yeah. I appreciate it.

And that's where we kind of get, you know, that's, we go through life. That's what we go through. Like, we live on emotion, you know, and we can take all the left where we can be hungry. I mentioned several times before about the murder person and that, and that book guy or whatever or whatever or whatever, but I don't call.

We are all the same. We have got no idea what I'm going to get philosophical or what life is, you know, what I'm making. So we are scared in a sense. We're scared to, you know, take a chance or we're scared to maybe walk down the other side of the road because we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're a creature of habits.

You know, and that's what I want to kind of just, I want to get out my comfort zone, you know, I mean, this is what it is. It's all comfort zone, you know what I mean. And I want to tell different stories, you know, then, like I said, the people that I've met, that kind of my own experiences and stuff like that, you know, instead of celebrating success stories, you know, let's shed some light on the vulnerability of things, you know, and that's what I want to get out my comfort zone. And I want to get out of things, you know, and that's kind of what I grabbed my attention, you know, I kind of root for that, but the underdog, you know, it might, might, might, might, maybe every ordinary life, you know what I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that I've got a friendship group.

That's just pigeonhole is one thing, you know, I've got my gym friends, I've got me wrestling friends, I've got me my nerdier friends. You know, I've got, you know, different friend groups and I can, you know, it's nice like that, you know, it's not something that you should shy away from the word nice and you know, it's nice to tell these stories and how now finally I've got a platform to tell. Tell, tell said stories, you know, like I say, I am head of creative, you know, I mean, I don't want to sound like, oh, I've got all the answers, you know, but if I can collaborate with people and tell their story or that they want to add a different slam-tong things and stuff like that, then that's what I want to hear, you know, to get it to get it to the story and turn it all the way up to, like I say, keep going back to it, give the fans the best experience that they can out. Yeah.

And again, I just had network and find things, if there's anything we can do as well, to help, at any point as well, more than happy, I know, like say there's not much we can do, but like, possibly, but we are actually, there's a lot of things we can try and make see get involved with it as well. So always feel like the doors always open there, if it needs me. But yeah, I was just looking at the time as well. So just to wrap up, I don't know if there's anything you wanted to see it further, like just to give yourself a final promotion now, Lee.

Just took them, put them on charge right now, because I thought it was going to go off. You got to lose us? Come around over there. Just give yourself a one- more.

Yeah, and much more, you know, they are very limited tickets available and use them, and the code, you know, when you purchase another 25% off there, very limited spaces, you know, so get in there quick, you know, and then you can do it. And you know, if this is for everybody families, it's for the grown adults, it's for teenagers, you know, the people, it's for the families, for absolutely everybody. It wasn't massively welcome in atmosphere. I can attest.

And you know, it's for the Lost Wrestling Fund, you know, and you still, what do you not? We're reaching out to you, you know, this one is for you, you know, all the problems, all the hard work that the team are doing, you know, this isn't a business for us, you know, we're making money, and we're living in pushed lifestyles and stuff like that. So, it's about the art, it's about, has to be about what we're doing and the creativity of what we're trying to express there. So, like I said, our team is federal and get you tickets now.

Thank you very much. No problem. Thank you so much for coming on the way as well. And we've never been playing for someone.

Yes, I know. But yes, I'm most polite guests. As a bar people. Yes, I am.

So, yes, me and Jake will be out of the garden as well. So, if you're there, come and say hi to Jake, leave me alone. I'll be here. Holds to me in the no way up north.

The box that you're going to build. Yes. I think we are doing a live episode in Fort Wernoth. There's a live episode on Friday of Goodwill and Graham start trending with New York North.

So, that episode is going live. We are free on Friday. Yes. And on Sunday we are back and Jake's back and we talked about the Batman.

The Batman. Yes. Also, my episode five of my Patreon series is up on Patreon, but my, but episode two of the Ice and Fire podcast is now available on YouTube. And please just listen, what you think.

Just in terms of the baron and the me and then show you. We're not calling it that. I'm sorry. I'm still eating came up with that idea.

I didn't do it wasn't me. As is he came up with that idea. Yes. I put the thank you leave for coming on and saying back to him saying back to him.

Stay now the everyone. Bye. Bye.