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I am. What do you host Sam? And I am the other host Paul. And join us tonight.
We have two the dynamic duo themselves. We've got the master of the Mega Drive, the gaming guru himself. We have the Jake, the two master, the tool in my star. Oh God.
Yeah. So like if you were not the villains, then like some kind of cartoon based villain man who's got them with action figures and stuff. He is the devilish himself. And we have the beautiful, the wonderful, the quite shiny look in tonight.
After after he's just run out the show and had his fluffy hair. So he's not, he's promised us he hasn't got a noisy keyboard tonight. So we want to be. No, no, no, no, no.
It's not going to tie tonight. So yes. Nice. Paul continues.
Yes, nice. So we've got daddy discord himself, the guy that runs the players by people like the chat. So well done for that. As Beck said last night, she was quite proud of you.
Like it was a nice moment. She went really proud of what you've done for the discord. So be proud of yourself. Like.
As we are. She's nice. Was less than you. I mean, I've seen some of the shit you put that woman through.
So I'm not right. To be fair, you were child for the last night. So I bet she was very nicely when you got home. To be called for the win.
Sleep. No, yes. That's an open apparent. Yeah, I'll cheer crisps and fell asleep.
Right. But if you're watching that, you do it. If you're watching that, the moment Beck's, I know you've obviously not because you sickle me as well. But I love your company last night.
You made me smile last night. Becks. So thank you. Sam, it's lovely.
And it's a core for us. I love these episodes. I'm not going to be rude. Quill and Lee.
We have a bunch about comic book movie. We have. I'm looking at the table. Are you coming?
Yes. He's like our guest character. You know, like someone like cool, like night wing who just shows up every now and then. Is that why we can't comment dick from now on?
Hello, dick. Do any way. Yes. Oh, little dick.
You're not as cool as Tim. So it's fine. So yes, I'm calling. He's going to kill your family.
That's how you get involved in the idea of North. You have a family. The Afterdye. That's what you signed on you joined.
You just didn't know it. You just have to be all coming, though. Every member of the North will have a really dramatic sad origin story coming soon. I don't know if Blazor is excited or scared.
It's like, I'm not going to be a baby. It's not mainly anyone else. It's the main list to come. Also again, it's going to be nice.
Well done on the top grumps as well. Yes. It was entertaining. Christmas shit.
I don't know if it's going to be a lot better. And it's going to be a lot better. First episode is just a pilot episode. For us to get things out.
Yeah, I've got a new character now because the three work the script. There's two quizzes. The next one. Chris, one and Chris, two.
One has a crazy hat. You have to tune in this. It's so good. So yeah, so something to do with the lovely disclaimer, lovely, very.
Yeah. So everything to go to today's episode, today's our opinions and our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, I believe it's coming join us on the Facebook page, the Discord or even the comment section where we can have a little discussion. But we want to have you.
Someone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong because we can all agree to disagree in fandom. So let's keep it fun. Keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of the nudism. Very well said, yes.
If you want to hear me see it in the spookiest way I have ever said it, you need to tune in from on this tomorrow. I just really thought it was in all of you. I haven't done this at this audience. I really, I really put my vocals to the test on that one.
It was brilliant. Well, the ultimate goth side. Well, yes. So I'm very excited to talk about the 1966 button.
Yeah. Oh, crap. The button to move that with where it has the back shock and the back bone. That's the one with all of us.
That is such a good, why are we doing that one? That's such a good movie. There was a bad bomb in this movie. It came out of the cars wheel.
I guess. Okay. So yes, Sammy has finally got away and Lee was very excited and Jake was very happy as well that we were doing the 1989 Batman, which let's be honest, wasn't a bad movie, but it was me to sell toys and it did well, some toys. That is something I want to get into in a bit.
What I want to do first is give you the taglines. Because only two. We got a lot. This one only has two.
First one, only one will claim the night. Don't like that. And just as always, darkest before the dawn. That's better.
I'm sure it's stolen from somewhere there. I'm sure to say that in like the Nolan trilogy or something, the my two, you know, I'm sorry. Don't worry. I didn't just say no, no, no, no, no.
No, this was I'm trying to like, like rehab Batman's image. Wasn't it? Yeah. It's not that free.
Like freak anymore. Good job. Absolutely. No, I'm not.
That was my grandmaster. Just kidding. Not my grandmaster. Maybe not my grandmaster.
That was my grandmaster. That was my grandmaster. aks. That was my grandmaster.
Well, that was my grandmaster. That was my grandmaster. It was brilliant as any grandmas. But I love it.
I've got an interesting story that I found out about the development of this movie, but I'm not going to read out Vibim Wis, It is so long windows. I'm gonna try and break it down. So this movie didn't start production in the e Ek. for this.
Batman in outer space. Yeah, it makes sense. So film rights were bought there and then the right of the film was already in place with the rise of the killing joke and dark night returns. Yeah.
It started to kind of like she had formed from then and eventually it goes it kind of like dwindles through the places where there's a lot of people, a lot of people involved where they're actually going to have at one point Ivan Reitman, director's movie with Bill Murray starring in it. Yes. Yeah. That's who it's Batman.
Don't know. Not really. I believe those came out and said he was meant to be playing Batman, I think. And Eddie Murphy is Robin.
Yeah. Well, they've been trying to get the big, trying to get a black Robin in for quite a long time. Like, like what was it? Modern Wheel wins.
I was casting Batman Returns. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
So after the massive success of Peewee's big adventure Warner Brothers were like, because eventually the rights score from two individuals and then dwindle its way down into Warner Brothers and Warner Brothers want Tim Burton. And that's where this movie started to take you. If you are interested, there is article upon article about the production side of this movie, which is interesting. But when I was looking at it, I was like, there's no way I can be bothered on a Sunday, dwindle that down.
So I could read it for this. But I just found it interesting that it's not a movie that was, it came from the 80s. And then we got it at the end, you know what I mean? It's like being something that's been ongoing for such a long time.
I just think it's interesting. Like, I know Tim Burton when he made this movie, he got like, he wanted to do his version of Batman, but he didn't want to do it as like a comic book style. So that was like the combatancy hard with the studio because this, the original one that was fraught with a lot of backstage or behind the scenes shit that was like crazy. It was only when the Batman Batman did so well that the kind of left Tim Burton have his own way with Batman Returns.
So but the original Batman movie would have been more like Batman Returns if it was Tim Burton. He's full away because he's the one that kind of changed like certain aspects or certain characters. Niams and things he wanted to see it away from the comic books he wanted to kind of give them his own backstory or thing as he did with like, I was called a couple of parts and but Serena Kyle from like, then, then created his own like Max Max Trek, like who's not in the comics or anything like that. And there was a lot of Hollywood airlisters pegged for this movie.
Obviously, I've just told you Bill Murray as one of them. And something interesting to me actually, so for the Batman, Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner. Now, I could see Kevin Costner now as an old Batman, but that's just because of what I've seen him do recently. I'm like, oh, if I could kind of work.
My favourite, Charlie Sheen. Bit bitch. Yeah. Tom Selleck.
Wasn't Tom Selleck just for any role that was going in the 80s old? Like, because I potentially is like, oh, I can be this. I can do this. I've got a touch.
Yeah. Well, you would have done what Caesar Ameri did in the original Batman just painted over the top of it. Like I'm not shaving that shit off. Harrison Ford.
No, too serious. Two. You can never understand him. I would probably like that though.
I'd give that a go if I didn't didn't go to another universe and watch that movie. I'm a mumble and Batman. Yeah. He does not go.
And then it's weird. Actually, I can say Dennis the Queen in the cow. Interesting. No, because I know you're trying to cast them stuff like as well.
We've talked previously on the podcast about Fandoms and like say the hero that comes out when it comes to casting and toxicity. I don't think bar star wars when it comes to casting, like not even before the films are being shown on his stills. They were anger and the rage that the fans of the Batman or a supposedly Batman do. And all this was before the internet went like stellar but it was still like places where he where nerds used to gather and kick off about stuff.
There went absolutely ballistic with the casting of Michael King. They weren't having you think the vitriol and the anger when was it? He's led to his cast as the jaw. Oh, glad you're here.
That was nothing compared to how like the Fandoms for Batman went ballistic with Michael King. There could not see because before this time Michael King wasn't really a big name. He wasn't. He was just beautiful.
Yeah. Yeah. He'd done a movie called a dramatic performance called Clean and Silver. And that's where he kind of and obviously John Beaglejuice as well.
But a lot of people include myself can't really see Keaton. Like you can't score Beaglejuice and Michael Keaton as the same person. The make up side was that good. But initially it was P.S.
Brosnan who was going to be the Batman and that's who they had their eyes set on and obviously they had all these names but P.S. Brosnan that's who they wanted and he was like, no, I don't want to do a comic book movie. So but so Burton wanted to go with something a little bit different. They were going to try and get a very unknown actor at the time, William DeFor.
Oh no. So that would have been it. But then out of my. Would have been a very, very different performance.
But yeah, so he, Keaton was asked on the back of doing Beaglejuice and he just loved working with Tim Burton that it just kind of like went hand in hand. But 50,000 letters was sent to Warner Brothers protesting the casting of Michael Keaton. Like they went ham on it. I was about to say this earlier when Paul was talking about it was like back then that's a physically right lesson.
Yeah. The people in here. That's a lot of time in F because only you know you can bash out like you're hatred straight away and like, oh, I've been here this a bit and then you calm down. But it's going to stay erected on the internet as well.
It's just left somewhere in the comment section on a trailer or whatever. Like whereas this is like targeted. It's so personal because it's like handwritten like you always have time to walk away from a hand written letter and like calm yourself down. Like before you post it.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's so personal. But the most interesting choice for the most interesting casting forwards to the joker. So Jack Nicholson is at the top of the list and he says no.
So they go to Tim Curry, would rather. Rad, Rad Doroth would really order. Would rather. James Woods.
The one the one who they really were interested in was John Lithgar. Oh, honestly that is like that is a joker lineup that I'm actually excited about. And the company just didn't happen. John Lithgar now saying it.
I probably not cast as the joker. But how good would he have been or possibly still could be as a villain? Oh, no. That was going to say the ventriloquist.
Oh, yeah. The ventriloquist now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be good.
But then after Harry and the Henderson's, he would have been quite interested in the red light. He's done his big foot. So the next actor, does John Lithgar or Foxy's audition up? Right.
So it's not a case of they wanted him, but he Foxy's audition up and he actually approached Burton after his audition, which something he said he's later regretted because that really cemented. You know, I'm not getting this job. Yeah. And so they lobbied actually it wasn't them who lobbied it was Robin Williams lobbied so hard for this part to the point where they were like, okay, we're going to give you a.
And then he went to go and tell his friend, Jack Nicholson, he got the part and Jack Nicholson went, Nah, you know when he went to the studio and I'll take it. And because he was number one on the list, Jack Nicholson ends up getting it. And Jack Nicholson has said in interviews, this is his most favorite role of all time. He loved playing this, even though it essentially is Jack Nicholson playing.
Jack Nicholson, yeah. Which starts with my problems, but again, rather than going into Rants and Reabs and stuff, like because I've done that so much on previous podcast. I'm not going to tell the story of how I got introduced this movie because I think I told that like many moons ago, if you go and search one of the previous ones, have a look through the back out log. Well, the best one.
I'm sure it's on there. But like, see the positives with this movie, like aesthetically looks wise, this is beautifully done. This is, I think Batman the Animated Series took a lot of cues from this movie as well, how they wanted like Gotham to look and especially with the gangsters and mobsters. It was very like 1950s of 40s kind of fail, like almost like a speaking easy but not.
I'd say like in the car, you know, like the ramped up the weird like art deco style, but yeah, definitely the whole like, well, it's just a random castle church here in Gotham, like attached to a topless guy's paper. Why not? Why not? Why not?
Well, yeah, it's Gotham after all. Exactly. Yeah. It's always interesting with the cast as well because a lot of people see it, Michael Keaton is their favorite Batman.
But with any type of Batman, I think we've had this conversation in the past. There's two different rules for Batman. It's not like the Superman rule where a car can suit man and different. It's just busy seeing a person just wearing glasses and punch it down where Batman and Bruce Wayne are complete different characters in these movies where one of the characters normally plays a great Batman and then we normally get a great like Bruce Wayne.
And to be controversial, I think Michael Keaton is a great Batman. He's just not a great Bruce Wayne. Oh, I don't think that's the wrong way around with most Batman's. It should be where Batman is the identity and Bruce Wayne's the mask.
But in this, it's very much it's Bruce Wayne and he just dresses with Batman every now and then. Yeah. That's totally a very good job. I think he's a fantastic Batman.
But it is Bruce Wayne. I prefer as the I see him better as a Bruce Wayne. It's the same with Ben Ben Affleck. I prefer him as Bruce Wayne.
I'm not too R-Sedee's Batman. And it's the same with Keaton as well. I'm not that R-Sedee's Batman, but he's a fantastic Bruce Wayne. So yeah.
I think some of it was like just me because this was like the first serious Batman like on screen thing. True. Because like the fight scenes aren't great. Like he doesn't do a lot, you know, like of exciting stuff, which they definitely fix in like future movies and like future Batman projects.
It's also like a very slow, isn't it? Like he's a slow Batman. Like he kind of like he stomps around. He can't really tone his head, which we know is like a problem with the River Cal thing.
It's a very funny style. Like once you're flicking, you're saying from one thing, it's like it's super mirrors, which is not a bad thing. Yeah. And like, you know, like he slowly rides along in his life and stuff like that.
Like visually, it's not super impressive. But I think it might have just been because they were like, oh, it's like new, which is trying stuff out here. And again, I think this film as well, because again, a lot of people talking to you the piss out was because I always think, oh, like I'll badmout this movie till the song comes on. Not because I didn't like it because of the disappointment or like because maybe in a genuine Batman fan.
And again, that's my pre-nortion of what I wanted Batman to be. And again, that doesn't say I give the right to say this film's trash because it's not. There's certain aspects, there's just things that kind of upset me at a personal level for the movie. But again, I've distracted and then you can't like converse yourself properly.
Yeah, I know you mean it. But to give it credit as well, because this is kind of like when people talk about the birth of like superhero movies, or like the boom of what we got, because remember before this, we had some really terrible Spiderman movie. We had a really bad Captain America one came out to us. We had the Punisher with Dolph Lunderman and stuff like that.
So with this, it kind of give us hope of what could it be. And the marketing campaign that came with it was just done absolutely breathy and me well. Like when we talk about the 80s movies or 90s movies as well, this is the tent hall on how you market a movie. This is where they went to all hogs.
I think Burger King done a black burger. And again, I know it sounds still like the bun and books. That type of things weren't done at the time. The toy range was absolutely phenomenal.
Like I would put the toy range for Batman the first movie up there with Star Wars, with the figure range that you got. Like the Batwing was just like if you ever had it as a kid, it was amazing. Like literally looked like it did in the film. And even like you've touched little things and a five little balls out and I think I had an injector seat as well.
And even the Batmobile was all great as well. And again, all the things were in the changing. But then with anything that got a little greedy in the start getting like Batman the movie and with Scuba suit, Jorga with his like spear suit and stuff like that. It was just like going too far where normally what you're doing, what the start and other point was just like literally I don't think anyone of our age range didn't either have a poster or a t-shirt with the actual Batman logo on.
Because of this movie. I definitely had like loads of like loads of different Batmobile toys because they had like the Hot Wheels like sized ones, the metal ones. I think I had a Hot Wheels one. That figure could sit in.
Yeah, I think I even had, it might even Batman Returns, but I even had one of those weird things where you put your eyes up to it and you would click through like the movie. Yeah. It was like I think it was the part in Returns when all the bits come off the Batmobile and it was like really small. It was too dry.
It was too dry. It was too dry. I don't know. Yeah, this is the only way I can re-watch it in a separate picture.
I think it probably hit all of the Batman Returns market and stuff. I think obviously not a dig where a bit younger. So, I missed all of the original ones. Yeah, that was a dig.
Yeah, well, I wasn't. I'm sorry, I mean. But you're right though, it must have ramped up like even worse for the second one. You know how sensitive I am about my niche.
There is one piece though that I would love to own right now and it's not a toy, it's a box of cereal. Right. It is literally the box of Kylo's conflicts was just a black box all the way through and all right, none of it and the Batman symbol on the front. And I want that so badly.
But I imagine time and you know that it's never going to be in as mint condition as well. And I have seen some people own it. I think I started on comic book men initially. Yeah.
And I was like, I want that so badly. But then I wonder if it had a toy yet as well. Because it's like, this is the time of cereal toys. Oh, cereal toys.
They were the best. Especially if you could deck your bike out in them as well. Oh, those killer things. Yeah.
They're getting on your wheels. Going back to the movie as well. It's interesting with the kind of like inspiration that they took. Because you can tell with certain aspects, he's not a comic book fan per se.
Like let's be honest. He takes on take. So that's why they changed the stories. But people who was writing it all involved.
The inspiration behind the movie is quite evident now when we watch it back. Like there's a huge love letter to the 1966 Batman with certain aspects and certain approaches and certain like do do do do. But the news is. Yeah.
Even the gun sounds like almost cartoon. It's like. Can I just say about the sound effects as well? You know when Batman comes through like the museum ceiling and breaks through the glass.
The totally played the same sound that we would play in the young ones. It's happy when they were smacking. Okay. It's expecting any in the gun to come running through the window.
Like Vivian's. The window. Yeah. I love that.
And the comic aspect to it as well. Like not just the 1966. Like the Frank Miller was heavily involved with. I don't know if he was heavily involved with the writing the script or the used a lot of the stories.
Like Batman Year 1 was initially that I was touted for. And or like the Red Hood storyline was pretty much like the back story that they did go for. Rightly or wrongly. Again, I'm more of a comic purist where I don't like that storyline because I prefer not knowing too much about the Jorgon.
And I think that's where they got a lot better in the later films. But in this one, that's kind of like the start of my kind of grapes to it. But I brought down a couple of things that I kind of picked up on on that side of thing. Whether we're like, we're trying to like explain Jack Nefian.
It was like, oh, he gets his like stupid little file. He's like, I'm probably at 14. And then he's like, and then he's like, oh, I've majored in sciences and chemistry and the arts. And I'm like, really?
Like, do you need to do you need to explain this to us? Yeah. I'm happy as a kid just accepting it. Like, oh, he's just a weirdo.
Yeah. What I liked about when I read Comic Food, because Batman is a comic that I do read quite a lot. Like, it is, I will always pick up any graphic, like one shot stories and that. And I always loved the fact that the Jorgon always had a different story.
So you generally didn't know which one's the right one. And I think they did that a lot in Killing Jorg as well. Like, the makeup was like, is it true? Yeah.
Was it actually, you know, is this everything that you learned about him? Could it just be a lie and a fantasy that he's created in his head? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I really liked that aspect of it. But what I wanted to ask for the Jorgon, because Jack Nicholson is just, he's just Jack Nicholson. There's nothing, apart from the face.
I was going to say, look-wise is up there. Like, I don't think there's been a bear, look-wise. I'm really going to agree with you. The makeup work done on this was superb, but given that it's just Jack Nicholson's smile with prosthetics and bassies and smile.
And it is some of the creepiest look in fucking makeup that I have seen. And I have seen some creepy makeup. Did you, did you pick up on the Sami that it kind of got like better as the film went? Yeah.
Yeah. The start, it was almost as if you had like a small gap where as real mouth was. But then as the film went on, it seemed as though it sculpted it out. It looked like, because there was a moment on it where you, was it the white makeup that I could really see?
You could see all of the mistakes. Like, not the stage but stuff that they didn't cover up properly. But by the end of it, it was actually like, that he couldn't, it's like his face was, it's like he's faced up a long time to maul into that shape. And then when it got there, it was just obviously picks in the prosthetics onto him.
Because I've seen the starting point of like, in stages of how they did it. And it's more creepy with actual human looking skin colors. That's the white one. It is fucking terrifying.
But what I wanted to ask is, if it wasn't Jack Nicholson, because I don't think we've had a, and this is just my personal opinion, a decent joker, someone who's, we've looked at them and went, oh shit, yeah, that's, I'm only saying that because I am not the biggest lead to fan. That was like his own character. Like, it was like his own version of it really. I don't even think they went back and put that in the comic.
I like that. No. No. No.
Kinda in the three, the reason that we run with three jork, like the three jorgas, where they had different versions of it. One was kind of like the he's a legend. Yeah, long hair and stuff. Right.
And other thing, I think the other one was Arkham Asylum, possibly. But again, No, not really. Yeah, but there's been a dreadlock joker, sort of guy in the Batman, but that was a very different take. No, I like that.
I think what he called him, Mark, Mark, I'm not, he would have done as a joker. Well, that was the best joker ever. Yeah, but he does the voice. That's it.
He's surprising in films that he does where it's like, oh, he has Mark, I'm not someone, any, just. Funny enough, I think it was 1994, 1986, there was a TV show called The Flash. He plays a bad guy in that way, he is just the joker. So if you want to go back and say, say thing.
Yeah. That was me. My question though is, I don't, it's, who would you like to see as the joker? Not taking your account time wise, just within, within whatever, however, and it not be Mark Hamill, because we know Mark Hamill does a brilliant voice of him.
So voice writing is already there. But who else would you have liked to see? Like who do you think could do with justice? It's a different choice.
It was in the Flash wasn't it? Yeah, that was it. Yeah. Sorry, I was just kidding.
Um, it's a difficult one because with the joker, there's so many different expectations or there's so many different things. I think if you got like a big Neum or someone who's established, then it sets that expectation because then as you said with the Heath Ledger, you had the Heath Ledger like, Fandoms or same, or this is what we should have. This is pretty boy, you're going to be the joker and it kind of sets your expectations. I mean, I'd want some, some totally unknown, someone that we don't actually know, because we can't then set the expectations and just have someone just go wild with it.
And just because the joker is supposed to be unknown. Yeah. That's, that's one ridiculous popping me head. And I feel like you probably would make a good joker because right, the joker, it doesn't have to be like this big guy that's like a menacing sort of, he's always skinny and slender and a bit mental and he's just sort of predictable.
What DJ calls? It's too nice though. It's too sweet. I don't think it could do.
There is again, just it's probably the most left field or, I'll buy you a post the most obvious one. The guy who plays Sheldon Cooper. Jim Parsons. Jim Parsons.
He can be a bit, like he can be a bit creepy. Yeah. He's got that looking as I said. Because he doesn't have to be, he doesn't have to be like physically menacing or like.
No, no. He played a part in a Ryan Murphy TV show called Hollywurge, where he played a real life person who was awful, like horrible, like it's not Sheldon horrible. It's pure evil horrible. So he can, his range does go to that way.
You can forget for a second that Sheldon Cooper and at one point he's going to turn around and be absolutely lovely. He was not. He was horrible in this program. Like awful.
So that's really a good shout. But I don't know. I would have said, Jim Carey, apart from we got that because I'm still convinced he was supposed to be the joker in that forever. And at some point they just changed the character because that riddler is just the joker.
Once he puts his outfit on. He's definitely on the riddler. He even has one of those laughing bags. Yeah.
He uses a bomb. I think Chris wins actually. Danny DeVito. Danny DeVito.
So Chris, the need for the Joker a break for a while. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. He's just being done the hell and there's so many good villains that do need something. Not this week. It was the start of this whole weird thing in Hollywood where like Batman and the Joker are seen as these like legendary like, you know, star-mic and roles.
Like, did it just pop out of nowhere? Like in this? I think this was the gumball. I think this was, um, it was seen as a species.
This, I said the whole movie as I said, the Batman movie was a big gumball. Yeah. It was superhero movies at the time. Weren't being picked up, weren't like seen as franchise worthy.
I think like it's, I feel like still today it's kind of seen as like America's version of like cast in a James Bond. 100% agree with you. It's like a kingmaker type of thing. You know, like you get this role.
Yeah. You're like set for life in some fashion. Yeah. Depended on how it goes.
Yeah. It's like, I just don't know why Hollywood is like obsessed with like holding Batman up on this like legendary pedestal. It's strange. I just kind of just didn't work here.
I agree completely with you. That's a really interesting point. The only thing I've got a problem with that, they've got Batman on a pedestal, but they've not, they've very rarely did they give him the storylines that he kind of, like if they want to be, they have him as this major like thing of pop culture, which in the comics, he is, but the movies, he's kind of, he's like, at the moment, DC's only one that actually hits form other than Superman. Yeah.
The thumbled Superman so many times now would scare you to think what, what they can do. But the rich history, like in the comic books, there's, and again, I'll go out in their favor because I know Sammy's a Marvel girl, Batman storylines is some of the greatest storylines ever been brought in comics and they never use the storylines. They're tuck on little bits because I think the scared to go down the torns, which the might change now because with Deadpool and Wolverine being an R-rated movie and hitting the big style, this, I know that's completely different, comedy, different thing. But if you go for like a hard hit in Batman, like a proper scary, which we kind of got with Robert Patterson's Batman.
That's, yeah, that's what I was going to say. The only thing that's come close, movie wise, is Robert Patterson, that's kind of like, taking like a bit of a jump with it because for all the yes, I am a Marvel fan girl. When it comes to reading DC, it's always Batman. Like my collection of Batman comics is ridiculous.
The thing is that Batman can be the same as Wolverine. We're like, you could put him with a silly character. Like, it's like what Paul says, like, they haven't dug into the depths. It's like they keep restarting Batman to this, like the 10 Batman 89 over and over again.
Yeah, absolutely right. But what gets me is the DC animated films, like DC animated films is some of the best DC things that you will ever get on the screen. They are the one thing that me and I'm sorry. Oh, I'm so bad.
The killer joke is horrible. No, fuck you. Fuck you for bringing that out. They extended it.
They didn't even keep to the source material. Yeah. Oh, it was terrible. It was so bad.
But apart from that, Batman does not fuck that girl. Stop it. No. It's just a Bruce Tim law.
It's like he was doing it. Oh, it's terrible. It was really bad. But apart from that, the rest of them are some of like, it's the one thing me and I'm literally keep up with will get to a point where we're like, where did we finish?
And what you've got to crisis on infinite earth. No, that's the newest one. Oh, is it? And they really got me loving Aquaman.
Like the Aquaman movie in the DC animated is absolutely phenomenal. Is it one of the hook hand? Yes. And then Flashpoint and Flashpoint Paradox is one of my favorite animated movies.
I think that is just absolutely flawless. It's some of the greatest comics I've ever read. But anyway, it's a comment on this movie. Yes.
Yes. So I'm trying to bring a little bit. And I want to talk about Vicki Ville for a second. She's hot.
Yes, she is. And I've got the cast in of who the wanted for Vicki Ville. Right. And it's so funny that we've mentioned Jim Carrey quite a bit because the original actress is going to be Sean Young.
And if you don't know who Sean Young is, she is the detective from the Transurra. Right. Oh, it's okay. Never had got it.
And the initially, yes. Laces went out. Well, yeah. But it's full of it.
Somebody else walked into the audition room and they quite liked her. But they decided to use her for something very different. Was Michelle Fiver. Right.
So Michelle Fiver really wanted Vicki Ville. And they were like, we have a plans for you, Lee. Hang on. You can't give us a couple of years.
Yeah. We'll get there. We'll get there. And you will become iconic, Sonora.
Kim Bessinger obviously gets the role. And I don't know where she fits into this. But you know how you said earlier, you don't know what this film doesn't know what it is. Yeah.
Is it a love story? Because I don't get this. So I'm going to get this out the way now. So I'm not going to go and go and go over it, which everyone's expecting.
But let's talk about the thing, because there's so much good about this movie. That aspect is so so so so so so so so so. So many stuff that's good. But I like to call this the i-roll movie.
I roll my eyes so many times throughout this movie. That's so many different points. That I think my eyes are constantly going in circles. So let's start off.
We get the amazing opening. Like honestly, one of the books, like, when the guys walk down the street with these family and he's getting robbed. And Batman doesn't stop and get robbed. He just kind of claims up the criminals by by punching one through the walls.
That's so scary that we get in the door where he fights them at the top. It's like, it's just dark. You don't see what's going on. And even the music, it's like sort of like Jaws type kind of suspense music.
It's supposed to be terrifying a kid watching that. The Gothamite looking filthy in this movie. Yeah. It's going to go down town.
Like, everything just looks grimy. But that's not the bad thing. Can you say I had an i-roll before this moment when the show went on the roof and it was a cartoon. Oh, that's right.
That one did around. I don't think that was supposed to be seen in HD. No, it doesn't clean up well, I agree. Then we come to the meeting where Bruce Wayne's got a space.
So the world knows about Bruce Wayne. And then they're having a massive gala right here. Where no fucker, even the press, nor what Bruce Wayne looks like. I was with that.
He's a billionaire playboy who runs round Gotham. And you don't know what he looks like. Yeah. So like, no one knows anything about his parents.
Yes. That would have been like no one apparently. Just a rumor he is here type of thing. Yeah.
And no, like StS said, the one and most famous crimes that ever happened in Gotham. Like the way in murders. And no fucking knows about it. And they don't know why Bruce Wayne was here.
It was for 30 years before that, though. So that's a pause. Because it's that way. Imagine what the crack with the one most parents are they alive?
And... ...for women minors. He's really not my man, isn't he? No, yeah.
What's the thing about it? What's the thing about Batman in the same company? The same sentence. But if you go through Batman's like the way in history, the way in Empire, the way in town, I think they basically built go out Gotham, they would turn it.
So their death is so incapent with the shift of... Because if they would still been alive, Gotham would have been up there with Metropolis. Yeah. They would have had the level of like, like, things going right.
They had died. And that's why Gotham become the crime central of America. Um, or New York. But basically, that's like, another bit that did like, physically upset me a little bit.
Yeah, that. It's their relationship. It goes from one day to a full-on Blorne. To be fair, yeah.
Then, like, to be fair, Bruce has probably not spent the night for too many ladies. He's probably sitting in the house. I mean, as well, like, if anyone, like, you know, dating in your 30s does move that fast sometimes. I've had enough of a lay straight away, so I can understand.
I think I spent the entire night and day together. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it.
How about it first, oh, but like, the dinner on each end of the table and like, oh, I'm gonna have to stop in the slow walk down the end. And then, oh, this is bad. Let's go and hang out with an old man for a while. Oh, no!
This is the greatest Alfred ever cast in any type of like, cartoon movie, this Alfred version. Well, that did. Like, oh, let's go and hang out with the old man, but they're instead of this. That's what I did get kissed, though.
Like, they were going through that expensive wine, so they were having fun. That's something that's just the end of the world. And he gets them? Yeah, but I think that's Game on Bruce's part.
Like, he's like, I don't want to show this hot glass, the playboy or that I'm an Eagle maniac. Let's take them to me. Uh, let me put the Alfred. It's basically like the father, grandfather figure.
Who tells all these events on night one. Yeah. I tell them all these stories. I think that's a brilliant move on Bruce's part.
Just say, look, I'm a normal bloke. I'm not something to be worried about. I'll be scared of typing, which a lot of billionaires would be because I wouldn't want to be talking about with a billionaire because he would buy himself. I asked just by like, like...
He would give you a grant, though, because you would probably do that joke that the press guy did when you would be like, kind of like a grand. I love to wear you when I was it? I was at, oh, it's Japanese. How do you know that?
Because I bought it in Japan. Yeah. I love that. Like, there is some very questionable dialogue in this movie.
That really is, isn't it? Like, I was just about to say this, like, like barely any of the jokes land. I think he can see the only one who can pull them off in this movie. Like, the Joker is not funny.
You know, like in a kind of sad way, where you're like, I think that was supposed to be, like when he's doing his fake advert and stuff, and I'm like, this is just like bottom of the barrel stuff. Yeah. The most famous line out of this is, have you ever done to the devil in the pale moonlight? It's one of the most cringiest.
Like, it's like, it's like, it's one of the most... It's one of the most cringiest lines I've ever heard. Not only Jack Nicholson say, who fucking Mike O'Keegan say it as well? It's like, it's an horrible line.