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I'd love to bring the torn down a little bit as well. It's been a shit week for nerds in general and was coming a bit in embarrassment of being from some of the show this weekend, which I never thought I would say. I know we do try and keep politics and all that stuff out of it. But the stuff that's happened this weekend does not represent me, does not represent the people I know and does not represent the early open North community, which I was insanely proud of over the weekend as well.
Everyone was trying to be positive. Everyone, no one mentioned anything that was going on. And I think it's just right to say to take a moment to appreciate you guys for being like say just decent people, decent fork. So thank you.
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That was famous. It's been a famous saying. It's been not many times now it's not to get the point where it's not so famous anymore. I did have some fresh up.
I did have one. Did he need any correspondence? He did actually have to. And the guy was all open and went like, oh yes, you know, he can put in for stuff and I got a pie on it.
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Yes. And actually if you think me and Sammy sing a lot of each other recently, it's because we have and for people who don't know our interview with Neil Marshall will be going out on Tuesday. So here's a laugh to check out that. And as we are promoting that he's new for London Duchess, which will be in cinemas on Friday.
Very cool. Yes. So we are here though. We are joined by the siblings of two because it's been a while and we always have so much fun and I always end up pissing myself laughing.
And I can't wait to see how two reference points gets brought into the film that we're going to talk about today. George, the man that can do it. How he's going to get Titanic and Princess Diana into this conversation. I look forward to it.
But yes, we are talking about DC Comics very own, Constantine. And I have the taglines for this movie. There's going to be two. There's going to be two.
So you may know them. This one is, hell wants him, heaven want to take him, uh, needs him. Right. Yeah.
It's going to be the last one. There's only two. So when I saw them, I was like, oh, where's the Lord's of them? Um, the way between heaven and hell is on earth.
Right. I like that one. I think I think that one suits it more. Yes.
But I'm going to go for it as like the main kind of use. The first one. The best one. Really?
I feel like I like the second one better because it says Earth needs him. But I feel like you would need him in the way you would need like sort of like that toxic relationship in your life, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Very, very, very well said though about the toxic path because this movie probably is everything to do with like toxic fandom or the toxicity. Yeah. I'll just take it off.
After this movie because one of the things that did surprise me and again, I am a big fan of the Hellblazer comics and John Constinct as a character. This is a very different talent, a different take on the character and let's see the story. But the fandom went wild. Not just when I say you thought the bullshit was bad when this kicked off about like Heath's Litter's casting or Michael Keaton's casting as Batman like back in the day when the internet wasn't there.
They went nuts with the casting with John Constincting. Especially the British fan being a shock. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I, this was my first time watching it last night by the way. Oh, wait. Yeah. But I am a huge Constinct fan.
Hellblazer is one of my favorite I ever brought to me original scene with this. It was like, oh, wow. And because original scene, actually original scenes I should say actually has a lot to do with this movie. Mm-hmm.
It might not be completely like on the, like on the, on the nose with it, but it does take a lot of influence from it. Mm-hmm. But what they, I read one thing that kind of put everything into perspective for us because he is, he's not the quintessential John Constincting. If you read him from the comic, it's not how you would expect him to be on screen.
So I can understand people's, not like in that book, the original John is characterised and designed from Sting to look like Sting. Mm-hmm. And he is certain, and Sting is from England. And what the director said was, is he was a little cool.
Yeah. Look, look, look, look, cool. Yeah, he's a scouse. Oh, I know things were, but John's a...
Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
Sorry. That was, that was me. Sorry. But what he said was, is if we're taking John into Los Angeles and having him as a Los Angeles base, who is more Los Angeles than Keanu Reeves?
Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay. If you're using that basis, that Sting was the inspiration for John in England, Keanu Reeves was the inspiration for John in America. I was like, I kind of get that.
Yeah. And it made us feel like it's slightly different because I didn't hate Keanu Reeves' performance in this. No, it's a very different, as I said, it's a very different tier gone, something. And all, like, I even went back and just looked at all this stuff that kicked off about, it's like, people wouldn't go nuts because Keanu Reeves didn't die his hair blonde.
I was like, oh, okay. If that's, like, the quintessential, like, if that's what, um, um, Constantine means to you. Like, like, he found off, he doesn't even wear like a brown re-ring cord. I hope so about that.
It's, um... It was initially going to be called Hellblazer. Yes. And that's what the initial type was, but Hellboy was coming out around the same time and they're like, oh, maybe we should stay away from the hell side of me.
Yeah. I have to get this back out because it's absolutely itching and burning up our skin to do it. This movie is not, it's not just a case of it came out when it did. It was being in the works for a really long time.
The original director attached to it where this taskman's saying, do you know who the original actor was? Come on. You're going to fucking love this. Nicholas Cage.
Keanu Reeves! No, no, no. No, Nicholas Cage is John Constantine. Can you imagine this?
It's called the magic! And just to catch her as he always does that. Just to touch on with the constant Nicholas Cage facts as well. Spoilers for Tuesday's interview.
I did pitch the idea of the Nicholas Cage Monster University in the end of Marshall. You have to watch to find his reaction. I recommend it. I really do.
But yeah, when I read that, I was like, oh my god, that is definitely going in. My Lord's Paul will lose his mind over it. But when it eventually came around to studios being interested, the director wasn't in a place to do it. And Nicholas Cage certainly wasn't in a place to do it.
And then when it completely shifted. But yeah, I love the fact that they were the two original. And then singing also Nicholas Cage. What do we know in a very different movie?
So with Sony saying this is her first watching of Constantine, which was, yes, Sonya, when was the first time you saw it? I couldn't tell you the year Paul, but I did know the first time I saw it was with Joe, interestingly. Right. Back in the day, we used to have a subscription to a love film where you would just get DVD sent to the house.
So as kids, we just got as many DVDs as we could. We'd watch them, then we'd send them back, we'd get more. So we ended up with like a stockpile of stuff that we never would have thought of watching. I think I told this story when I was on the Serenity podcast, because it's how I ended up singing Serenity.
Joe Washington was like, you need to watch this film, you're going to love it. But yes, we ended up watching Constantine together, and then absolutely just loved it. Got the DVD, watched it multiple times after watching it again today. Like I've seen this film so many times, I can quote lines from it.
Like it's one of those. So but if it was when I lived at home, I would say I was probably about 19, I want to guess, in 2019, Joe. So yeah, it wouldn't have been out for that long when we watched it. Yeah.
However, no, nothing about the comics. So I can't say I was one of those people that was like doing any kind of comparisons. Yeah. And to remember, we mentioned the film after watching it and being quite shocked at how negative the reviews were.
But I think again, that was people who were comparing it. And I'm wrong. I believe that the actual creator of the comic, Kate, the film. Oh, it doesn't like any of these.
It doesn't like any of these. The thing is, well, John is his creation from when he was introduced in Swamp Thing. That was his first introduction on Japayba. But I don't know what has football to do with original sense.
This is not his story, because it's not his book. It's just his character. Yeah. I love the man.
I think you would absolutely love just listening to him talk, because he's so insightful. But he really doesn't like any of his stuff being put on to film. I think he had the bad tears left in his mouth or was something. I think it's not any type of film adaptation.
He just kicks off. He's a very much a perfectionist. I want everything to be his way. And if someone tells me can't have it in someone way, it goes off in the biggest...
Basically, I'm like a bit of a slut. But he's very insightful. Aside from how he's positioned his own, he's incredibly insightful. But him and Stephen King doing a maze and sit down talk.
I was going to say, because when you said that, I thought of Stephen King. And I thought, you know, big devil's advocate, because part of me is like, how dare you just films a maze? And actually, if I'd spent some time creating something, someone changed that, I'd probably have opinions about that too. So I get it.
And I know Constantine has a huge cult following now, but they're the same way most of these type of films do, where I get the time. It's like, no, this is shit. But then people love it for its other themes. And take away that it's connected to DC.
And actually, fundamentally, this is just a fucking brilliant film. Yeah. It's like, what's Marvel's doing and what anyone's doing now? Decemo, the person, you can say it's just a different version of that story.
Yeah. So, with the final, your first viewing was with Sonya. I'm quite interested. And I'm just interested in why you love this movie as much as you do, because people in the chat, people who's listening, watching, this was actually George Pick, who actually messaged me a while ago.
So please, there were Constantine episodes, and please, can you get me in Sunyuan? So this, the guy that... Oh, you requested me too. Oh, yeah.
Oh, pretty easy, because when we were talking about the episodes together, this was an asset that's too Constantine. So, yeah, you're on the same page. Yeah. So, why are you interested?
Well, when I was a teenager, I absolutely loved comic book movies. And when this came out, it was fairly sparse. I mean, you had the Marvel stuff just like starting to kick off. You had X-Men Spide Man route.
I think maybe you had the Thomas J and Polish show was out around about now. Yeah. Good to go. Good to go.
Ben Affleck's Daredevil. No, I'm cool. But there was not really much in the way of DC stuff. Batman and Superman had sort of been hanging around for ages.
But there wasn't a... You weren't seeing them doing... In fact, I think this came out the same year as Batman Begins. So, it was already like...
Right. Bigger DC's. Yeah, it was too guys' vibe. There was already like bigger DC heroes coming out.
And this was like totally under... Under, under, sawed, really. It was just like, and it was... Do you remember?
I don't know if you remember, you guys are wondering this. When you had like the pay-per-view channel for like movies. Yeah, so it's on Skye. Yeah, so we had trailers on repeat.
NTL. We would just watch those and then go, that's a decent movie. Let's either rent it off NTL or... Yeah.
That's why we ended up watching K-Paks. I love K-Paks. That was it. Oh my God, I'm like, how am I ready to see that?
I'll rent it that on the TV. Book and spacing, man. So, there's that. And there's another thing, I know I'm a home girl that...
His gonna pack is up here. I love... Not horror, that's like religious themed. Yes.
Not necessarily natural. Not necessarily. When it's like religion. When it's based in religion, when it's based on the dogma, fucking a bit.
Me too. Me too. I love cynical religious horror. Like, not necessarily like kind of like when it's like from the viewpoint of the church.
Like, more like when there's someone who's part of the church, but it's almost like on the fence about whether they believe or not, and they find belief through fighting evil. Like, what is my bread and butter, man? I fucking love that shit. What was the one...
The woman who's going through like the... Big Mart, Big Mart, Big Mart, Big Mart, Big Mart, It's so good. I think it was a space of something like a round about the time, because you had like, Arnold Schwarzenegger do an end of Dears, Big Mart. End of Dears?
Yeah. And then... It's like a lot of the type of films that come out at the same time. I think this movie, like why like Sony said it got panned across the board by the critics and everything, because it didn't know what kind of what movie it wanted to be.
It was kind of like crossing the line almost with the comic book side, because it was a comic book movie, but if you watch this movie, it's the tone and everything. It's not set as it's so go to go, superhero movie or superhero movie that we were having around the time. And again, it's very horror light. There is horror aspects to this movie, but it's very PG-13, not really like the brutal or scary horror that we were good.
And so the marketing side of things, it was kind of didn't know where it was in for, because if you aim for the comic book crowd, the hit that they were getting from, like say, this bit not being there constantly, I think it was like, all daily, they were scared to actually market it that way. So it was kind of like almost, not to say it to this degree, but it was almost marketing to almost like a little bit like Twilight, like for the teeny horror silence. And so that's why I was demographic. That was right on my screen.
Yeah, it was the right number. It's funny that you see a spacey, because Mel Gibson and Kevin Spacey were considered for the role of constancy. Oh really? Yeah.
Yeah, man. We got lucky with Keanu. We really did. Like, he put his place in it all so well, and I feel like just someone who just doesn't really want to talk to anyone, like, it doesn't be so lovable like being that character.
And I think others, you might have actually ended up hating them. They needed someone who could be an asshole, or you're still back, or you still wanted to sort of say win. And it's kind of John, the only one character history he didn't have of them is his smart wit mouth. And he did kind of have like a bit of it where he would say like little one-liners like towards the end of a scene, but it didn't quite land the way like I expected from him.
But apart from that, say my big problem. And again, like, I love this movie. And again, I'm not going to shit. I'm going to get the negative stuff out of the way like early because I want to sing its praises.
If we're going to call it a Constantine movie, Keanu Reeves's constant in this movie wasn't a cunt. In the books Constantine is one of the most awful characters in DC. He's the most selfish people. And I know they're trying to get around that in this movie by saying he's doing all these acts to save his soul.
But he's not just like that in the comics. He's anything to make money, anything to progress. He couldn't give a fuck who dies, who lives, who's soul gets swallowed up and stuff like that. He is the most selfish superhero in the DC universe.
And it's hilarious when you stick at him and like Batman interacting and stuff like that because the back and forth, like, Ben, if he's got an arc and he grows. But in this, like John, like Keanu Reeves, I might just be the Keanu Factor, he is too much of a nice guy. And he's not selfish enough to try and play it out by little things like the elevator saying why he doesn't hold it or if the... He's just a menist by like very minimal proportions.
Yeah. So he's saying, oh, that dog, no. So he's not enough of a bastard or like a horrible person that you want to constrain because that's the thing. You love constrain, not because of his actions because like he is just so brutally honest and open that you think, yeah, you can't do it because basically you might do the same thing.
I do apologize if I'm going a little bit darker tonight just because I've got to choose either use the spotlight or a fan and I'm using the fan because I don't want to die. I'll put him into my way. No, no, I'll put him into my way. You're good.
No, you're right, because in the comics, John is incredibly selfish person. And to be honest, he's quite selfish to a degree in this because the only reason John does what he does is to save himself. Yeah, he puts by himself back in. It's no different than in the comic.
The only difference is that he's trying to save himself from going to hell. And once again, he's wings for heaven. In the comic book, he's trying to save himself because he fucked up an execution. And he's an eczism.
He fucked up an eczism and he wants to set the right, he wants to set a right. It's all for him. It's for him, what he else. So in that respect, Keanu is still doing the selfish thing, but he's a bit more likable about it.
That's why he comes to Dean. That's always the fun thing in the comics because you always enjoy kind of, not liking him, but also he gets the job done. So you kind of not like him at the same time. But in this one, it's a very different thing.
One thing I do want to say about as well, as John mentioned, this was made in 2005. The special effects and the effects that was used in this movie, it towards all. There's not yet. Yeah, there is a reason for that, my friend, because this is the work of Stan Winston and his crew that included V Neil, that included Shane Mon.
Stan Winston is the reason you have Jurassic Park, Terminator, Predator, Iron Man, Edward Cesarhan's, he's won four Academy Awards for his work. V Neil, we all know, V Neil, if you don't want to see the woman behind, Ville Joester look like you get from Ville Joester. And Shane Mon is the creator of the Iron Man suit. He is the cast itself is brilliant.
The Miggle cast is even better. They had to use CGI in certain aspects, but when they didn't have to, they didn't. Gavin Rosendale's face or Miggle? Wow.
Not when it smashed the pieces. Obviously, yeah. They just made up his face part. The transformation, the transformation from what was he like demon?
It was half blood, wasn't it? That's the thing. Half things can walk clear, not like pure, pure, pure, pure, pure demon type thing. That was all the premise of it.
It was all over Lapon and it was all, it was very, the transitional too, it was very similar to the transitions that were used in American World War from London. So that they obviously techniques from that were put into this, but yes, this team is just on point, Rachel Weiss. Oh my gosh. She's beautiful.
When she's looking at her sister underneath the sheet, that is a full replica of Rachel Weiss. Oh gosh. You know what, I watched her. I watched her today and I was like, it looks so much like it.
And I was like, it's funny because usually in scenes like this, where someone doesn't have a twin IRL, they'll get someone who looks as close to as possible, but it's clearly not them. Or you can see that they've just mirrored the image and it's very like kind of visibly CGI. And when I watched her, I was like, no, she's an eractim at this body. Like that is real.
I had no idea it was a replica. Like that's a replica. Full body replica. Not just an eractim, but just a full one.
Yeah. Look at you. Are you dead? Are you dead?
I'm in trouble. Help. We'll see you, buddy. Have you guys seen Chris Pratt's reaction when he's actually carrying himself in Guardians of the Galaxy 3?
That's a full replica body as well, because they needed him in a certain position that he couldn't physically get into. So they created a full replica and Chris Pratt's reaction of seeing himself lying down. He was terrified. Oh, I'm coming on the county valley.
Yeah. As you said, with the special effects and what practical effects he used as well, like the way that they look of hell that they looked absolutely and it was like how it was just basically like the place where you are, but just apocalypse as George demonstrated behind him as well. But the demons, like the actual demons, how feral and monstrous they looked were like, just looked like dog like an animal. Like a lot they were like an interesting characters.
Then when you got to say like Gabriel's wings and everything, just everything looked so majestic and beautiful. And then we got like the elements to it as well, but we're not going to like say that bit just yet. But overall like the tones and the visuals, like everything just like the colors used just like totally beautiful. Of course, yeah.
Taken the angel wings, they didn't want them to be fully white. Mm-hmm. Didn't want it to contrast with the colors that are used within the movie because obviously there's a specific palette to this movie that they joined kind of did like, they don't move away from. So he wanted the wings.
And also these would be living angels on Earth. They wouldn't be white. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. They're a bit dirty. I like that they've been being like made dirty by Earth. Like they've been muddy, almost.
Like, yeah. Slowing in the opposite for humans. But there's an addition of me as an attention to detail. Like that's what they actually thought so much is the wings that they used.
And they are full on prosthetic wings too. They're amazing. Like the certain scenes were like, it's visually incredible. And it's just such a small scene when Constantine's explaining about the half-grades, being able to walk the Earth and he's like, they can be swayed for bad or swayed for good.
And he shows you, yeah, Balters are in the shop. And then he shows you the shopkeeper holding his friend. And his wings come out. It's like a one and a half second clip.
But the wings look amazing. And you know what I'm saying? Like, again, like, he's almost like this come out to like protect him. Like, the look on his face.
And he's like holding him. Like, it's beautiful. And like, yeah. Like, there's so many little moments like that where visually it's incredible.
I mean, obviously Gabriel's the one who's wings you see the most of. But until the Swintman is moving. I know. I can't.
I know. I think people say, no, no, no. I didn't even know what it is. Oh, she wants to put onions on his face.
Well, yeah. But I was like, I'm. It's like in shop for a long time. You see toes.
Yeah. You see toes. Quite a Tarantino level. I'm so funny.
We just released our next episode. The monsters is death proof of planet terror. Not once did I mention his foot fetish. Oh, really?
I managed to do the whole episode. Actually, I'm not actually freaking it off. That's not Christian in for that one now. Yeah, sorry, Chris.
Just talk about the cast as well. If you look at all the people that's in this. Yeah, yeah. Cool.
For just like a TV, not TV, a comic book movie that it is. Like the people that are involved. Like, Tilda Swintman is phenomenal. Raka Wies is beautiful.
Sheila Birth is not annoying in this movie. Which is surprising. He kind of is. He kind of is.
He's like the lucky isn't he? Yeah. I know. But he wasn't a chass.
He wasn't a chass. I remember. So I was like, oh, he's a bit. He's a bit.
He's a bit flat. I got to give a shout out to my fucking, my homie though, my number one man, Peter Stomair. Oh. That's the devil.
Holy fucking shit. Like, to me, I'm out of this conversation with Joel like five times. I'm going to have it again. I'm sorry, Joel.
The greatest depiction of the devil of all time, I think. Like, he is fucking incredible. He's an amazing actor. I love that he's not British.
I love the depiction of the people. That's like, I'm in the chamber of trouble. Oh, chap. Comme to hell now.
So I was reading last night about him and why he chose to do this movie because he re-rallied for this film. And he actually auditioned for the part of Balazar. Really? But they were like, we kind of want you for something else.
And he's a very religious person. I'm really. Yeah. He sees him and he chose the white suit.
I knew that. He picked the one to put him in dark. He was like, no, I think that should be a quiet. Yeah.
I love that. It was like, why would the devil want to hide away? Let's put a white suit on him. Let's be so brazen.
Oh my god. It was such a different character to what I've seen in play. Like, I know him from prison break. Prison break.
Yeah. Prison break. Biggamacy. And he always has like that.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Like, there's a presence. There's a presence about me. Yeah.
But there's always something quite similar about the people he plays because I have one of you ever seen in play. Tough guys. So from the name, now he's the devil. And oh my god, was he just so charismatic?
I kind of realized he had it in him. Just so good. He's so playful with it. I know that's unusual.
Just like when he's like lighting up John's tabs. Like when he's actually sitting there doing a round. And he's kind of like watching John suffer. And he's getting off on it.
So like he's getting some kind of sexual gratification out of this as well. And I'm so glad you said his name. Look, because I can't pronounce it. I know he's Swedish but I'm out on day 120 of my Norwegian street on Joolingo.
So I'm like, I'm learning the pronunciation. But as good as his interaction with John and Keanu was, his interaction with Tilda Swinton's gave everyone was so much better. And laughing at face. Is that like when he says no one's protecting you?
Yeah. Like the fact that when she goes to punch him, there's almost a lot of like, oh, I might be in trouble here. And then when the punch doesn't land and it's just like blee in his face. He's like, ah, you're not.
But then you get the turn as well. So you get the interaction with Keanu and how he's kind of best at it. And then he's like, OK, John, what do you want? I expect Nantas in all one a few more years and stuff like that.
And again, it's John Plenum for being the 20 years. And he falls in a John's trap of like releasing, I can say, the sword of the message about that's why John, sorry, I'll kick on to it. George John now, like he's John Constantine. Yeah, all right.
But with George saying earlier with the religious connotations and like say the history and like the law that is used in this movie, it's quite interesting because as I said, the big thing is like, if you try and kill yourself, it's a moral sin and you've got to be of a tableau that wasn't yours, give away a type of thing. So all life for ways. And so then it's all about like the repercussions from suicide and how I think and mental health as well plays a quite a big role in this movie. But then how he kind of turns it on his head.
And when you see Keanu then doing it, self-asshaft to get himself like off the line to go to hell. And he's gone and you see Peter's like, loose of his turn of just how fucking angry and Nazi was. But the whole like the visual though as well as Keanu, like John's body becoming like lifeless and he's pulling them along and it's getting into the ground. It's just blocking the man's mind.
That's so cool. So the whole premise of this story is the fact that a sister, one of the whole premise but part of it is that Isabelle has gone into hell because her sister believed you said it's because she committed suicide. I actually read it about this because I wanted to know if that was how Catholics actually are. And apparently the whole thing has changed.
They now have because they have such a better understanding of mental health. The Roman Catholic Church actually banned the burials of those who committed suicide in the 1980s because you actually couldn't be buried. You'd be committed suicide when the latter. It's the same in the movie where she asks the priest, that's why they're talking about him, which isn't that?
She's that single priest and say she needs a Catholic burial. He's like, no, I'm not. No, but they got rid of that in 1980. So according to what I read, there would have been no objection for Angela to be buried.
It's not considered an unforgivable sin either. Is that in America or in the UK? It's the Roman Catholic Church so it will be well-balanced. It'll be standardized by the actual Pope.
Yeah. It'll be further over. That's what it's about, what is the way in this? Yeah.
Yeah. I don't think changes in religion when they come like fundamentally like that change years and years of stigma. Do you know what I mean? It's still going to be like looked at and I mean it still is.
People with those differently still astigmatised, aren't they? So it's good to go to the new town on that, I think. Because I think the only people that disrupts the family, like how many families went like too often because they couldn't bury their kids or their loved ones because it's awful. I had a little bit of a revelation to today when I was thinking about this movie.
There's not a lot of, obviously Angela's, Angela, Andrea, Rachel White. Angela, Angela. Angela, Angela. It's looking for Constantine because she's like, my sister will not kill herself.
Something happened. Something more to say that she's using Catholic guilt and detective skills to something bigger at play and there is. But that moment when Constantine comes back from hell in her apartment and he's like, yes, you're just a hell like she killed herself. That was stupid.
Fucking crucking. She's like, no. Yeah. Maybe that was it.
Maybe there's nothing more to this. And obviously that would keep happening. Yeah. Yeah.
It's not really spoken about when I don't know if it's in the comics or not. But it's clear that she knew what was coming. She knew what was going on and that's why she ends up like, because she's, and for that reason, I got a little bit not watching it. I thought, yes, Constantine sacrifices himself for the great good.
And that's why he's allowed in heaven. Technically Isabel did the same thing. She sacrificed herself to stop herself from being used as the conduit for the devil's child. So why wasn't she considered itself sacrificing?
Like, why was she going like a curse? Well, maybe because she didn't tell her identical twin sister what the fuck was going on. Because the language is actually a message of the bible and the windows. Actually, she seemed to have dealt with the best Lucifer that we've ever seen.
That could have been one of the things as well. But one of the things, I don't want to be jumping all over, because I love the way we don't have a structure. I love what we do, I need to point a structure of these things. This feels more fun to me, to be honest with you.
The characters in this as well, one of the characters I loved was the father, Hennessy. The father Hennessy, yeah, he's a mixture of other characters. He's a mixture of other people in the Constantine world and just made it into one. But the guy who plays him, I cannot like the same person.
He's a pretty talented. He's a pretty talented. I always get him and a very young and Vincent Tynoffrey all mixed up. Yeah, he does look similar.
I'll cut out Kyle from Tynia's date. That's the way you're coming from, but I did. I loved Father Hennessy. And again, Sonny probably has got more out of this than they say with the mental health side of things as well.
How people probably viewed mental health or people who hear voices and stuff like that. Where this, it's more to do with demonic side. He wears an amulet to keep the voices away and he leaves it off so the voice is coming. Then he can almost demon radio.
So he kind of works out what's going on. And then when he figures out what's happening, he's trying to fill out the voices by drink. And it's so brutal. But so amazingly well done where the bottles look like those, like, he's trying to drink all that.
He's not drinking. But he is. Yeah. And when you say like, I can put the bottles down, all that, you can see that alcohol floor.
Yeah. He's like, what floor? Yeah. And when he put it over his face or his mouth, it looks like there's nothing coming out.
So in essence, he's dragged himself to death within like 30 minutes. And it's so brutally done. But his performance in that was just like, I know he's only in it for a short period. But it left it like a quite a bit, Mark.
I don't know if I'm watching it. You feel firm, don't you? Yeah. Absolutely.
I did get a lot out of this film this time round because every time I've watched a previously, I haven't been a mental health therapist. So I've watched it through the lens of someone who's very passionate about and informed about, but not academically. So like watching it now, it's kind of like this raises that bigger question of, it's never just mental health. It's never just, oh, they were sad.
So they ended their life. There's other things going on behind the surface. And I love love, love, love when religious films do this, when it's out. Other people perceive religious scenes.
So like, we would look at someone like John, who was the kid and they go, oh, look, this is not around the post. He's like, see, he's mental. Well, actually, he's not a scene. Like he's eaten.
And then it brings that bigger question of like, actually, the people who do see things, even if they're not real, they are to them. Yeah. You know, like they have this huge impact. I actually love those things.
I love the picking up on the fact that he drinks alcohol to know about the voices because that's what people with schizophrenia and other fun psychosis can end up doing. So yeah, the themes and this are really dark, but really well presented. It's not kind of like, fuzzy footed around. I don't know.
And I think the good, the change in it to get into the mental health side, because originally he was going to eat himself. Oh, gosh. Oh. So every time that's part of that story in the comic book, every time he kept eating, he would actually get thinner.
And that's where they were going to go down, but because of the mental health side of things, the alcohol seemed to play a more better role. Yeah, like a more fitting part. And kind of like the word trying to, for all they wanted to be inspired by the comic, the word at the same time trying to make their own film. Yeah.
Yeah. That's a pretty piece of stuff. Absolutely. Sorry.
I'm chippling the talk about some research. I'm in the chat being like, I'm going to drink down. I'm like, I guess all that. Talk about how he gouges the symbol and then he's hanging out.
Oh, that's true as well. There's a point. There's like an inch to the left. It's like, I thought he picked a marker up when he was going to write a message out to John or something.
And as far as 70s, I was like, she's telling you to have a book. Why is it? Oh, I'm going to point out, right? He didn't use the pen because fucking Baldurza was in the shop.
And he might not have known that, but if he used a pen, it could be washed away. But if you've got a way, it could be. So he's probably want to ensure it couldn't be hidden. See, it's on your car.
No, the facts now. Well done, son. Well done. I want to throw in something just in case I forget it.
I picked up on it today. I've never picked up on it historically. I actually turned to Cox. He was like, am I reading it this wrong?
I was Googled it. I didn't read it wrong. I'm 100% right. When Chas asks if he's just a slave, John says, you're not a slave.
You're like, my friend is, you know, like, you know, he goes to like Robin and Batman or like, you know, and then he starts to name any other skinny guy with his fat friend. And I was like, is that a James Silent Bob reference? I Googled it. It is a James Silent Bob reference.
Oh, I heard that line and went. He must be talking about Oliver and Hardy. That's what I thought it was a throwaway line. I didn't think anything.
No, James Silent Bob. I was like, do you make James Silent Bob cos they are sidekicks. That's like, yeah. Oh, which was the sidekick.
Let's just take a moment. Let's just take a moment for Sony here. That's a good take of Well done Sony for that one. I never even picked up on the bottom of the throwaway comment.
Yeah. I read it. Actually, I was like, do you mean like Robin Hood and Father? Is it Father John?
No, right. Yeah, sorry. But yeah, the original script is actually said like James Silent Bob and it changed it to pay a little bit more a vague. Oh, wow.
So Kevin's been referenced in a DC and the Marvel. So he's part of the universe now. Well done. And that's called some of the other characters.
As we've mentioned, he's named a few of James Balthasar. What did you think of Gavin Rosendale's before? It's in this movie. Because it's a tale of two sides.
It's a... It's okay. It's not terrible. Like I instantly recognized his face and thought, really, don't you cheat?
But I wasn't put off volume. Like, I wasn't like, oh, what are you doing? I think it's a tale of two sides for me. I love his interaction with John in the boardroom.
Like that fight, I thought, was breathy because when you say this, but when he's in the meeting with him and he goes, finger looking good. Like, that is the most cringe I've ever seen. He's felt himself like a boy. But yeah.
Yeah, he was probably the victim. Was it Jason Lee in documentary plays, as real? Yes. He was about a job of being creepy demon guy.