Nerdy Up North Podcast - DC Movies

live. Hey everyone and welcome to the NURD Podcast, the internet called Cuss or something about Northern North. I'm an anonymous poll and we are joined by this week by Team Podcasts Jake and I can't get any word out, it's been a long day and it's fucking hot. So yes, just before we start I want to get some of my chests because I'm very disappointed in the NURD community.

I am very angry, upset, feel betrayed in a way. Like how the fuck can you vote, Bill and Ted as better in the goonies. Like fuck you guys, fuck you guys up your arses, I hope your next shit is a pineapple. Yeah I mean I vote with the goonies and a clacer.

I mean I'm just doing that all gear so yes. Well I'm gonna get my apologies out the way I'm with, really sorry for the bad quality and camera and potential bad audio only for two weeks and I apologise in advance. I have no opening rants. But just one question guys, how are you doing?

Pissed off. Can't wait till aliens get knocked out by and by your strike back next round bitches. Oh yeah you need your horse in the race, don't you Paul? Goonies is going on.

Give us back to the future. How the fuck, Edie's phone's gonna go back to the future on the goonies. Well anyway. Sorry.

I'm sorry. I can't even trust you guys anymore. But anyway yes, I'm good not too bad. How are you guys?

I just want to say hi to the chat and hi to Julie who joined us last week when I met at a convention she's like the nicest person ever and she's in the chat tonight. So hi Julie. Hi chat. Hi chat.

Hi good well and he's with us. Yeah. But yes and now it's been not too bad week. I watched the nope last night and Jordan Payer Phil was utterly bizarre.

I didn't quite understand or understand why they were in the movie but I did enjoy it. I would recommend it just as an experience. I love Jordan. Love is a strong word with Jordan Payer because I just did not get what was it us?

Yes. Yes. So many questions. So many protocols but I really enjoyed coming man and I really enjoyed the other one.

You get out. Get out. Get out. Um, yeah.

That's the beat for fun. It's so good. And I'm really looking forward to know I've heard it's weird but in good way. I kind of got that vibe from the trailer because it didn't make a whole lot of sense.

The trailer. So at least the trailer was accurate I guess. I was definitely checking out if I can though. It's very creepy and like I said there's a bit in it with not as well as whether Chiman say that even now I still don't understand why it's in the movie.

It's just there for horrific effects. It is certainly a decent watch. Also I mean my wife had a new obsession. I can't stop watching.

It's a show called Nager enough for it. Which is basically like survival and either celebrity rolled into one where these people in Americans mostly just get dropped off in the middle of like the African desert or like the Amazon completely but naked and they're given basic tools and they've got to survive over 21, 30 or 60 years in these environments could boil in the one water, make them go and shelter, make them shoes and most of them I would get medically tucked out for hyperthermia or maybe get touched in some bug where they shut themselves to life to nearly to death and it's just hilarious. So how if you were to drop naked alone how quickly would you be able to make an outfit? We learned that from the show.

I am. What do you go for giant leaves? It depends if it's Amazon it's not too bad because there's a lot of big leaves you can use but if you're in the desert you kind of vote because it's all prickly shitting and small leaves so you got to go out like alpha meal with a born arrow and shoot a deer then skin the deer and use the deer I would go for cactus soup. Cactus one.

I'd be dead within 24 hours because I have no survival skills whatsoever. I think I'd just become feral. I feel sorry for the last designer because she was Buddhist and she's like I don't eat meat at all I'm vegan and so forth like why the fuck have you went on this shore? So this guy called a fish killed the robin said look you've got to eat and she refused to eat within I think was eight and nine years should be tapped out because you're passed out from all that nutrition.

I'm pretty sure even like the vegan society he would tell you to eat a rabbit if you were like about to die. Yeah that is ugly bizarre. I have seen things on the other box with it before but I've never been interested in watching this. But yes but I mean I've been watching a similar like horrifying survival show like just catching bits when I'm like in that sitting room you know married at first sight lost really.

But anyway no like the only thing I've watched probably this week is she took the episode three. Oh I loved it this episode. It was kind of clean it yes. I think I'm just waiting until I go home.

Yeah. We can watch all the stuff because I haven't watched I was a dragon. I haven't watched a lot of the new Lord of the Rings. No I mean.

I know a lot of people's love but I think the best thing I can say is very Lord of the Rings. I'm going to love it. That's well yeah. Well this is what I was saying and I was like Paul's not a fan and Grant is so like I'm going to go with you're going to hate it I'm going to love it.

We got to go in between their reactions then. I'll post it about it because I don't want to slag the thing off because I don't want to be one of them guys. It wasn't for me. I think I probably won't watch anymore.

I think I watched the first episode and it never grifters so I don't think I'll go back to it. And I know that's really harsh and I think to say it but there's too much stuff to watch at the moment now for us the way of time and so I'm not enjoying it. Yeah I totally get that. I have not been watching any time this week.

I've been reading. All right. And I have nearly finished Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and I really really wish I've never seen the film. I'm going to leave it from your mind.

I'm so loving this move that I hate the fact that I know what's going to happen at the end. I hate the fact that all the little details of how Barty Crotch could be seen on the Marauders map and that. And I'm like, I'm all blind. I'm all blind there.

And it's just annoying that I am loving it. I'm nearly finished. Then I'm going to kick straight off of the next one. You're about to head into the lowest point in the series.

The sloggiest slug of art. I'm sure you'll be okay. There's a lot of filler in the later books. But yeah, but it still makes me a lot of the Harry Potter books.

I think the better than most I don't see a fiction book that you do get now even more. You can tell like there was a cash in for a lot of the later books and stuff like that. I wrote just because she was writing them at coincide with the movies as well. So I think this will look good in the movie.

This will look good in the movie. So that's the type of effects that was getting in the book. But can still I would say read the books over the film at any time. I listened to the audiobooks and pretend that Stephen Fry wrote them and he's reading his own stories.

That's what I do. But Lee is right. The Half-Blood Prince is one of the best books as well. So that's one to look forward to.

I think it's all to the Phoenix next. That's a bad one. Oh, Joe, it can't be any worse in Champions of Secrets because that was honestly. You know he tapped out.

It's too bad. But yeah, I've just been reading and I've got my mum's like heavily into Neil Gaiman at the moment and I've found a copy of... I've been saying this right, Nancy Boy. Nancy Boy?

The Nancy Boys, yes. Yeah. I've been saying it right because it's got an ear. I'm like, I'm really what I say.

It's like £1.00 to the train shop. No, it's good. It is a good thing. It's not one of my favourite gaming books.

Just with the same key, mum. Hello Sam's mum. Hope you're doing well. Hope you enjoyed your whole day.

Miss you. The reason why I've got the really shit cameras because I'm using me marketing mum's house and then just realised that I could have actually brought me, you've seen the down here because I have a mother because I'm working for mum. So, Joe, so yeah, sorry for the shit camera and the shit quality of... Stop apologising on me.

You sent these poems out to the new filler? No, I'm a good person. I'm glowing. So I'll take a glow in though.

I'm making you enjoy. Just kidding your ass, that's all he does. Nice. I'm just trying to do some sort of a good thing.

Just never remember it. Just don't like it. Here we go. The pressure's on now.

So everything is good tonight. So everything is good tonight. That was sort of our opinions and our opinions alone. If you want to come and discuss anything from tonight's episode, please come and join us in the Facebook group where we have an open discussion.

What we want to have is anyone come in for us and tell us our opinions are wrong. We can all agree to disagree and abandon. So let's give it a fun, give it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of nerdism. Did everyone make a porn vice too?

That's my porn vice. Yeah. Very well done. Well, yes.

So this one is very close to my heart because I know, like, if you've listened to the previous episodes, well, 30 episodes where me and Sam had early discussions between comics and Marvel movies as well, you'll know that Sam is very much a Marvel fan girl. And like to say, with the titles here at all, I am very much DC. So I think that's how you mean hope, doesn't it? There's a lot of things I mean quite easily as well.

But yes, I love DC. They're comics. I love the movies and I even love the TV shows to a degree. I'm mixing animated movies and even going back to the old cartoons, which is like, if you go into my love of anything to do with like comics, queer, creators, supernatural, anything that was like, it got my interest started with DC.

And I would love to know, like, because I know everyone's like, big comic book fans and stuff. What was the first DC movie that you can remember that you first saw or you kind of enjoyed? Yes, I go. For me, it was definitely Batman 89, but I would have seen it when it was like on television.

And I vividly remember, like, I was going along to like, South Shields, like the Sea Front, but it'd be in Rainey and coming home and like Batman was on the TV like in the mid-afternoon. So I might have had some stuff cut out, but not that would have mattered to me at the time. And I kind of feel like I knew about Batman somehow, but it might just be because he's kind of a bit of a legend, like in real life as well as in DC. So I can remember your granddad telling us about Batman and then being like, excited to finally see him because like, takes a while to fully see him in that movie.

But yeah, it was just like the perfect day, like, probably Gotham City weather. So you got introduced to the bot. So there was the Tim Burton's Batman was it? Yeah, the Michael Keaton, yeah, Jack Nicholson.

I know you don't like that choker. I won't go into the run. This is going to be a positive one. I promise it today.

I'm not going to sleep with him. Not much at all, but DC. It's not my favourite choker either, but I think like as a kid, he's scary, you know. I hadn't that would have been my very first joker to see, I guess.

The only thing that sticks out in my mind that kind of was Joe Oresk was when the joke was killed and had the little laughing box at the end. And that big old thing, that was the only thing that jumped out to me was like, like, quite joker-esque. Yeah, like getting the last laugh is always like a big thing for him. Definitely.

But yeah, I definitely didn't think they needed to do the whole like, then it was the guy who shot the parents because I think that that set a lot of people to believe that forever. Like, you know, like in DC lore, but I don't think it's really been used after that. No, I think that was only time between reference outlets in, because I think it was Japanese, yeah, in that movie, but it was always George Ellen in the comics. But it had a lot of things going for it.

That one of the best soundtracks, like an old prince was involved, so the back dance was absolutely fantastic. And Michael Caten was a brilliant Bruce Wayne, and I didn't know he couldn't move his neck in the bat suit, which when you look back now is actually curious. I think he tears the head off in the next movie. He's saying go back a moment, yes.

But no, I'll tell you my first experience with the batman being one of the pictures where he was not getting in, so getting denied, because I was too young. I think I was 10 at the time, and this was a 12 in the cinema scenes. So I was denied at the cinema. Had a weird six months, because at the time we didn't have streaming, we didn't have anything where things would come out straight away.

So we had a weird length of time for the video rental. And then when it got to say it from the rental side point, that was my ultimate disappointment. I've been a really big batman fan, but not to go into the sad moments again. I can see why a lot of people do it, because aesthetically it is visually one of the things exciting, because it's Tim Burton.

And Tim, what Tim Burton does is make visually stunning movies. I feel like it was before he went nuts on the visual style. It was still had subtle parts, and then obviously the parade scene is like Kimba's unleashing. But it was like a little enough rather than a whole like an entire movie where everything's twisted and all the doorways was cute.

Definitely. Well, you and Sammy, what was your first choreo? So mine goes back to Ghostbusters. But it's a day scene movie?

I had the ghost was to VHS that had both one and two. I got for Christmas when the second one came out, to replace the one that I broke. In the middle of it was an Adam West Batman episode. Don't ask me why.

But it was in the middle of it now. Because I'd always watched it. I knew that that sort of back to front. Probably there's no different than what I did in the ghost was to movies.

And that was me. That probably the first introduction in Batman. But movie wise, it's probably Superman. My dad's a fan of Superman too.

And he used to, when he had a chance to watch it on the TV, stick around that chance. And I'll get into obviously me love of DC Comics, because I'm probably more of a DC comic fan than I like to make out that I am. So yeah, my name is Adam West Batman. Just one single episode.

Did you ever see the actual movie version of that in West Batman? 1966 with all the bad guys coming together to take on. We got the famous bat bomb scene where he's running with a... The shark bomb.

It was a bomb that he threw at the scene. Then when he was going, getting away from the helicopter and the shark was on his leg. He was like, quick Robin, get past the shark repevellant. Srain.

And the spread in the shark. But the famous meme when he's running around with the bomb in his hands. And he's like going up to Nuns. He's like, I can't throw it here.

Like a baby in a carriage. And then it's like, it's just getting harder to get rid of a bomb. He's like... Yeah, I watch the film.

I watch the film as an adult. And it was hilarious. Like, proper belly lapping hilarious. But I couldn't understand how a child back then would have been mesmerised by it.

It was super colourful, wasn't it? Yeah. It was one of the things where Cesar Romero wasn't? Not Cesar.

Yeah, he was a joke, wasn't he? Yeah, he was. He didn't take the part seriously at all. He thought it was a joke.

But in the joke, the try getting the she of his Tashoff. Because he was always famous, had a massive Tash in real life. And he's like, I'm not shivin' nothing off of this role. So they had to paint it on over and it's a mirror on your lock back.

And you see this like, pin in the Tash on his face. Could you actually see it much though back on like 60s television? Or is this like HD remaster like stuff? This is what we started.

You could probably not need any of these because you're like the desk like the rounded 3v. It's like the one sitting around. But when we started getting like in the biggest screen, we're like going up to 32 inch and stuff. We could actually make things out a little bit more.

But it's hilarious to watch back now. It's just like, but some of the characters in the Earthicate as this catwoman was just absolutely mesmerizing back then. The King Tut is one of the bad guys as well. And I can't wait to hopefully bring out King Tut in the versus Robert Paterson's Batman.

That would just be hilarious. You need to read Jimmy Nomara's Catwoman. Yes, that was the later one as well after her. No, it was Barbara Gordon, wasn't she?

No, no, there was a few different versions of her. Was that? Yeah. The other catwoman was Earthicate originally, I believe.

Jimmy Nomara was the later one. And as Earthicate was a very much peri-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra. I love her voice. Very old school Hollywood.

Oh, well, absolutely. Very, very distinguished. But mine was a little bit similar to yours, I mean, it wasn't the Batman, but you mentioned the movie that was done by Richard Donner, that's scored by John Williams. That when you watched for the first time, special as a kid, that you believed a man could fly.

And Christopher Reeves was just everything a pity mood in what you saw in comic book form on screen. And even now I get goosebumps watching back these movies and in all some of them has an age well like someone three and someone four wasn't the best. The one with like the Richard Pryor in was anything but was it Ching Han? Ching Han was it as a Lex Luthor was just inspired choice and again we've not had a better Lex Luthor since them days.

We've had only clancy brown but he's a kind of great. But everything about these movies like so you hear the soundtrack, it's such a hear the beats from the music. It takes you back to that time when you first watch these movies when you saw Lois Lee in fall from Niagara Falls and and Superman dropped down to Katcha and that like romance and everything even though he takes several months and superhero films don't really work as well or aren't planned out but the relationship that Lois Lee in and Superman had in these films always felt a little bit more real and felt a bit more touching. And as you said Superman too was just a is a stone called classic of a movie like General Zod like everyone caught it now still like Neil before Zod and I've gotten the name of the person who is in it now.

I'll probably shoot myself in the foot for not remembering. I'm not a member of that. I'm not a member of that. Oh no sorry I don't know the actors for the look at me in Crease.

It was a Turin Stump like a famous British actor. Oh and I've watched I've seen him in something recently. Oh he's better. But I say I will go back to these movies and I prefer them to anything that's being made modern day of these years because I know I keep banging on like no practical effects like how they got to like say the realism and look and the movement like stuff like on the kit as it was flying and it was just breathtaking and something I'll always hold quite closer as it's almost like quite religious and again I know actually I've had a little brand earlier but the connection between one of my favorite films as well always stands out like when I'm watching the goonies.

Haven't chunk like Ripp opening shirt and have the Superman T-shirt. It's just like you. He's one of them. And like when you get older as well and you read stories about like what happened behind the set and stuff like with how Marlon Brando was supposed to be like that's the ultimate bell end and just one and like the amount of money he got paid for like what was in essence like 15 minutes worth of like film was just like thing and he how he held like like because he of course what was crazy behind the Martin from the original Superman it wasn't marketed as a crystal race film or a smartphone that was mounted as Marlon Brando.

Wow. That was I think because he was the only really big name of the time. So when like Jane Hatton who was just starting out like to sell that movie. Because I probably wouldn't market the bad guy as much with like wouldn't be like it's accurate as Lex Luthor.

Everyone's favorite. Well that's interesting but I've definitely heard a million stories about the stuff Randall was getting up to in his hair. I probably saved this as a true crime on B.C. Sun's antics.

I didn't put up anyone if you can still watch that documentary about the island of Dr. Maroll. But it's not related to DC but it's a good one. It's absolutely mental.

But yeah that was probably my first introduction in the DC movies then moving into Batman and other stuff. But I don't think again not to slip Marlboro same other terms anything bad. What they've built over the last like say 10, 12 years is nothing sort of amazing. But none of them films that they've made in that time to defend off the creative universe but they've never captivated the film about what I felt when I saw Superman for the first time.

Yeah like I think those movies are like like the first couple of Superman ones. They're incredibly like sincere like in a lot of ways like how you said the love story. Like it feels pretty natural as far as it can be between an alien and human. But yeah like I think they're not like joking about Superman because I feel like a lot of places now were joke about like Superman.

I mean they did it to Captain America where he comes back with future and everyone's like cracking jokes about him. Just because like the thing audiences like won't believe him but like back then they're like oh yeah you'll believe Superman and we're gonna I'm gonna treat it like that you know. And totally all you need to do like say as I proved with Shae's all that like if you put glasses and like say some dodgy clothes on a hot girl you won't recognize it. So I've totally by the fact that you put glasses and tied Clark's kiss air to Superman's kiss girl if you wouldn't think he was Superman even though he was a brick shit out so much.

Such a nerd. Yeah that's not a lot of people. I always thought that was bizarre about Superman's you know all the ego because Clark Kent is the all ego his name. Yeah yeah yeah I always thought it was so odd to the whole glasses thing because yeah because that's gonna hide the muscle behind it.

It's weird like I guess like I thought it's so young I just never like I never I just had like where I suspended my disbelief and I was like yep that's fine like Superman can have an old regal and I don't think about it any further than that. It's magic. I think it's a childhood innocence though that's a lot of stuff. That's why I try and go back a little bit.

Some people call this a very childish but when I'm watching a movie or like a new TV show I try and not be too closed off or like looking into stuff like because what we can do now we can look into to movies too much and forget just to enjoy it. Yeah yeah. That's why I think about a lot of movies now that lots of people come about it and think we like say like the movie has to like hit certain things and you see it on the internet so much now especially like with all of I'm trying to say this in the best part we have with people at Dix look at the shit that's coming out about the new hell raiser movie I know it's got nothing to do with anything just because of cast like say a female pinhead on the stuff that's about but and now they're reacting because they find out that the female is trans so now they react and even worse because it's still technically like pinhead the centabyte technically the same one yeah that just muggles the mind because it's literally like in like a like a force of nature or like demonic and it's like it can look like anything it probably looks different that each person who looks at it in the world I don't know it doesn't matter it really doesn't it's interesting that things and how the way the world is right now is that the really should we have it's probably still gonna be sick and scary and like gross like it'll be everything you want just like I really enjoyed black porn because of how basic and simple it was it was just a really easy floor of the story in one right I think we are now expecting them the the twists and the turns and the spectacular and it will lose in the stories yeah yeah switch off your story brain but you can keep you can keep like your critical like you know you don't have to enjoy everything but still like you know try and at least get what the stories get that so so laden from that because I always I always I'm always interested in like people's first like meetings into like certain like genre or type of movies as well because a lot of the day say movies although it goes from a wide variety of different subjects or different things well it is always like the tonal is normally the same this is always seen as like the dark type of realm of the comic book world and I think that the movies have always focused even though who's who man is the shine light then you go to the realms of like the batman's the watchman v for then better like to Constantine just like to name a few of them it does go to these places where I don't think other like other comic art movies have have tried and you can always tell from a field that it is like kind of like a DC a movie as well I don't know if it's intentional I don't want to go this has a lot to do with it and I'm not going to the shit show that's going on another one with them but but but um I'm interested in all as well what would you class as your favorite DC movies I think we'll always have like quite different things I know from tawn to jick he likes like almost like a silly aside of like DC where no like say I like kind of like the saviousness as well but I would be interested in which ones like would you class as like your favorite like if you want to comment on a lot of just wax lyrical about Superman but Superman probably wasn't me favorite DC movie I'll kick it off with um probably the movie that made is made as look at superheroes in very different light and it was when I first started seeing Anthony short as batman begins and still to this day I read I'm not the other term in the trilogy and not Michael Bauté um yeah batman begins is one of the best batman orange stories like I just thoroughly enjoyed every second of it I thought Christian Bale was an amazing batman he had the both styles eat of Bruce Wayne how I would expect him to be before he becomes million every swing like the one that we know um I just thought like I thought about my again like it opened a door put it that way I really really enjoyed it it was very much okay we had drug for some but yeah um what no I think everything was put right because they gave us a new villain that they didn't necessarily give give us before like see with the scarecrow and that element to it led led in lots of different things and I do love their movies I know we've discussed like previously with the batman movies like you have different sort of opinions but um it is one of the I'm not going to say the perfect trilogy because that is back to the future trilogy that's not going to change even right but it is up there but it is up there with one of the best trilogy I've seen in a long time yeah um I'm a little bit more on the the sam path of things um thinking that the first one is a lot better the second one's a very different movie um it's good on its own it's not like it's not my perfect batman um but it's definitely watchable is long though I didn't like the third one really and I think it's just because I had a lot of love for being as a child yeah and that kind of what that wasn't what I was looking for with being no it was definitely a very much a different take to be in but yeah I think the reason I liked it was I was a big fan of the Normans land comic and I came out and that film was as close to what we're going to get from a Normans land comic ever because in like film wise the plot for Normans land makes no sense at all it's it's literally out there where like say the government is basically abandoned Gotham said it's it's no longer dealing with it because it's become too toxic and it's kind of the earthquake and stuff like that where it's so well done and it's so interesting to see the nuances between characters facing off and how burrows were taken over by the cops burrows were taken over by certain villains and then they come like guys I mean he was become bad guys bad guys and heroes but I said that when we got the Dark Knight rises it kind of gave us give me that so that's why I called it with high regard and I make a little twist thing anywhere it gave us Robin but not given us Robin in the way that we were expecting yeah I think like the maybe even took like one step too far with that like with the end bit they could have just left it even less I think it would have been just as good but you're right yeah because that because like they did it in a very believable way like how would you cut off Gotham from the rest of the world and yeah the founder way to do it realistically which I feel like is always my kind of why I put heads with like the Christopher Nolan stuff is because he's trying very hard to like to keep dragging like Batman down to like the real world and like other than Superman out with the main series like Batman's probably like the most fantastical like I know Superman fights aliens a lot in his comics maybe not so much the movies but there's just so much like weird science in Batman and I feel like Nolan was like ignoring that as much as he could yeah it's what they call it like afterwards the Nolan verse afterwards was how they could think but I still think in the trilogy the movies like everyone goes on saying because Christine Beal was a decent batman but to me the thing that stood out in that movies wasn't batman which is strange thing to see it was Gary Oldman's Commissioner Gordon like his story and his arc and his journey through that movies I wanted more of him because like I know Gary Oldman isn't a major to start with but I think he should have got more plotters and I know like everyone gives hate ledger like he was undeniable that was basically like a runaway a train that was for tragedy at the end but his performance was just out there but I think it kind of overshadowed Gary Oldman a bit because not only did we get an amazing Commissioner Gordon in that movie in all three he was consistent and constantly he made you care and I think that's the main thing that's hard to do in superhero film especially when like to do all the power don't even you watching things there's no way there's going to be a thing you need that element to grab you by the throat and think this is what I give a shit and he was that for me and I actually loved every element and he had little tricks and little nods and the callbacks that didn't like got on our risers as well and says when he's Bruce is here I'm saying you gave a lot of stories scared boy like a court and hope and it was just like it wasn't the exact lines I can't paraphrase. That was really good though.

And in that moment actually even though it's obvious like anyone outside of Gotham that Bruce Wayne is batman and seeing Gary Oldman's Commissioner Gordon realize and kind of getting it was just in the movie a lot more special. Yeah you do need a good Gordon for a good batman I think that's like part of the puzzle. It's a connection between the two with the Gary Oldman played it perfectly and the guy you did in the Batman film the new one with Roblinson had in mind him either but it's not not the same kind of the same spark as what Gary Oldman did what I can't stand in the films it's Tom Hardy. We quickly touched it on being but I kind of just said no no no we didn't really talk about the actor I kind of just said it wasn't it wasn't what I wanted out of being is because I did like that character as a kid.

I was born in a dock. I don't know. Actually went thinking about now like Nolan has a bit of an issue with those movies with like Soundmixen and Understanding Dye like it's kind of you've got some titles. That's just Tom Hardy talking like he's learned he took the being voice with him in a few roles after it's like Austin Butler at the moment can't drop the Elvis he couldn't drop the being and you could not understand a word he said and the majority of the films he did and then all of a sudden P.D.

Blaine is that good here? I think with the being one like the in rises when it hurt because the original one you couldn't understand a word he was saying if they just did a like thing they had to do a voice a second. Yes the different voices and do his voice over there so that's why sometimes these voice looks like really good out there when his eyes are moving and stuff like that because it's not actually him saying and the region like his complete accent as well because it was they were meant to be going for like a colonial like old old style British accents so almost like when he went like something called Hello Gaffna and taking over like all like dick round dicks style. Yeah he's a cockney how could you knock in that?

He's a fully bred cockney who talks like a cockney geezer and he oh wow. That's not the two. I can't even know what it is because I didn't diss about 1989 like that. That's just part of the breaks a little bit.

I was going to say I totally changed my opinion on Tom Hardy as of late so I don't want to get hit as a game like a dick. But what would you say your favorite thingy movie then is? It's tough because I mean it's always going to be Batman he's my guy he's always been my favorite character from DC and everything. But I'm torn because Batman Returns was excellent and I have a lot of nostalgia built up with that from seeing it as a kid but I was also caught up in the marketing blitz for like the shoe market Batman movies in the 19s because I was like I was the perfect demographic age and love Jim Carrey love Tommy Lee Jones as well.

Do you have to like each other on set? That makes it even more hilarious though to watch back. But no like I genuinely do really like Batman forever. I think that might just pivot at the post.

Like I say Returns is like immensely nostalgic like even just the music score. But maybe it's because Dang to be it was a little too scary. Getting the Smashing Pumpkins do one of the songs on Batman forever. It's got kids from a rose on the credits.

You too. It was a U2 song. There was the kids on Smashing Pumpkins one as well. Probably it's one of those one I think you know I think Batman 89 kicked that off.

I think for some reason they were like oh let's go back to like the Prince's and we'll have like them for a Batman movie even though Batman would never listen to music. But yeah like I'll kill him but I think he's a decent Batman. If you know. I don't think we've had a bad Batman.

I've had plenty of controversy. I think George could even play a good Batman in a bad Batman movie. Yeah. But I think the only thing I kind of get lost off on with a lot of the Batman is just to try and force off.

Force on us like love interests like all the time. Oh you'd have to chase Marillion. Everyone's favorite character. Again it just feels like same.

I think coming after Batman returns which I know Charlotte will be Batman. It is one of the better Batman movies that have ever been made. It went from a dark and greenery to technical. I was like say that and it was all neon and stuff like that.

Yeah so it's very neon green because of the red lobby and the the main guy. But I mean to be honest with you that introduced me to Too Faced I would say because like the Batman cartoon wasn't super readily available like to watch if you know what I mean. Like I had to catch it when you caught it or buy video tips. And I probably saw like forever first I was like well like Too Faced is like amazing.

Like that's a cool story how I got acid thrown on him. I think it was just like very much like what I was into at the time. Like people because I mean the 90s was all about mutants we chat a bit while we do that total stream. But it was like there was always someone being transformed into something and I think just what I was into at the time.

I'm glad you didn't start setting stuff because you did end it at one point saying that you did about acid being thrown on the face and I was totally into that. And then you did that. No you gotta tell me the Jones be all like. Yeah I had to worry more in as well which are not people.

Yes. Yeah at the time that was kind of like what were they called. Yeah. Because it was like plus me they're not in nice time.

That was too fast. They had two girlfriends on for each side. So I think that's what's kind of lost in a lot of the hero movies and the super and villains movies that will get these days. You don't get good goons.

You got his pickled goons back then like people just like as the bad guys or have the same efforts just so you know he was the bad and who was the good cats. Yeah because in all the two face gang have like half and half mask type of things. I mean they look a bit like Death's Trust to be honest I think now that I'm thinking back which might even a quick quick nod. But yeah same goes for like the same goes wild sorts.

Now you had all those ice hockey players for his goons. I mean come on like Joel's remark it was like he was basically like modernizing the 60s show like when you think about it. Oh 100%. I don't think people were quite ready for it at the time.

I think the problem of what he tried to do he tried to do so much and he realized after like Batman Returns was because I think Batman Returns started the whole double villain type phrase and I know that everyone started picking up in the needs to be two villains and he'd be more than one villain. And he started out in elements that were kind of didn't need like Robin in to the aspect. Then we go back girl as well as Alicia Silverstone and as Alfred's daughter who was mysteriously dying. Oh my.

Chris O'Donnell is the worst in the movies. Oh you're so bad. He's probably like the part that's age the worst but comes out with like the more ridiculous like lines that you'd remember like when like at the start of like Batman and Robin when they're doing the whole series like the Batmobile coming out of the water and everything. They just go I want a car.

And he's like I can see why Superman walks alone. It is like full on jokes like from minute one onwards like. I really enjoyed Balikil. What he's not long ago to tick off the list.

And I couldn't understand how he didn't get to do it in a more serious way. Was this the one that they gave him Batnip? No that was pretty. No I think well I think they both had.

I don't know if it's part of the monetosh or I could apologize for the whole Batman film on a chop shop but it was clearly who got the nips I think. It definitely had the butch shots though you know like when the butch shots. Well like you know what like there was some man who had to go and take the kids to the cinema that were like that were pretty happy with the choices for those Batman main roles and getting to see the molded rubber as they say in some of the movies. I think well a lot of things as well this is the The Edge where we start like one of the special were making movies just to sell the toys as well because we could try to make everything so.

It was really it was really crazy for Batman and Robin. It wasn't as far as I remember the forever wasn't as much of an entire like media blitz. Like I remember Batman and Robin it had like serial deals and everything like where you would get like stupid little coins with like tiny little screenshots of the movie on like their foam coins that you would all put in this like it was like a board that you would put the coins in to collect them all. Which I still had it because I'll be hilarious.

Definitely. It was probably Tazzles as well I imagine. Cocks maybe. I think that was the one I killed the franchise though because of the bet everything on it and it just didn't make anything on the other box office at all and.

It got slated by all the big reviewers didn't it like is it like Zisqinibut and all that yeah. Yeah I think I went and came out like say I was the most disappointing but I think for a kid and that's what a lot of people don't remember like because there's a lot of gear came in when it comes to like civically was especially Batman because like but was my this age like especially where like people who read the front millipet issues this is this is but man it should be dark should be good. We were coming out around the same time as well. I think that the Frank Miller's one came out around about the original 1989 version because I think he spoke to Tim Burton for club Red around David Luck and Faele because it's very much out of the Frank Miller comic books that they're set exhibit.

Yes. Because that's what people were saying they grew up with. I think if you go back further in the Batman comics and 60s it was like a joke like say that there was no violence it was very much very camp and that there was only to later on that that's what we got. I think a lot of the famous like like classic silly Batman iconography comes from those comics because they've done they have sort of remade that in like it's called Batman Brave and the Bold like a cartoon where it is the more silly like you know 60s style everyone around and chase the music, mister or any playing instruments to control people but I think like all the stuff like you know like the giant coin and the T-Rex in the back cave that's quite famous like you know background stuff I think that comes from like the 60s aroids like you know the two faces giant coin he has with some kind of weird trap scheme.

I never questioned the T-Rex in the back cave. I don't know exactly where it's from but yeah. I see it like in everything and what I recently what I've reached not long ago. I think when I hush I was hush I didn't have the back cave at the giant coin the T-Rex having an ex-ex-game.

Yeah there's a panel in there and I'm like I'm not questioning this is just all. It's unsafe to leave that just line the ground and just go take it back to the cave. But the only thing that kind of like not disappointed me about Batman but kind of I feel like we're not getting all we should be when it comes to Batman because when it comes to like say different like villains and a lot of different like because a lot of other than Spider-Man I'll be honest everyone has one or two major villains and that you can name like when you go to the Royal Gallery there's not many people like in the comic book world that you can go through Batman and you can list off about 20 Yeah. about 20 Royal Gallery and they keep repeating the same ones that's the only thing because I know what the joke is always going to be the main tier and all we've got a new version of the Riddler in the New Crocker pattern which was done absolutely amazing like the way I did it but there's so so many different ones that we could have and we're not touching on like Farron of Catwoman always has to go in because there's always going to be that element Penguin background character best because even in the comics he was never really like a big big villain he was just more of an audience to the things.

Because he's like public face and he's not exactly hiding like the rest of them. But like say there's so many there's like as I said there's like Clearface I would love to say Clearface Killer Crocker, Mad Hatter. Like Magincine Jarvis Tekken is like well in a type of in a modernized version of the other kind of did that in cell kind of thing with the Riddler but he teaches another one. But no you're right I think it's because I think we're keeping it back to square one because I think there's like a weird thing I guess in Hollywood where people are like the Batman movie has to be the most money out of any movie that you know otherwise it's a failure.

It's like well yeah please just like keep a series going for a bit so we don't have to do the Joker again. I think that's why I was a bit more like sight to see like I'm all I think trying not to bring it up with the Batgirl movie that's just been canned because we were going to see Firefly. Brendan Fraser as Firefly and that would have been really interesting to see that element and all Michael Keaton was going to return as like an all the Batman almost like a like post-week like a Dark Knight Returns version like watching all the these young people that's looking after the city now. But seeing Firefly as just being like if you play like the Arkham games the Firefly levels are so infuriating and it's literally just a man with like flamethrower like flying around with a jetpack just going and I think like street level that's like that's tough to beat for like Batman because it's like you know but yeah you're right like we need like some more villains because there's loads of fun ones like a pick wrong and it's always an interesting puzzle like for Batman the salt to take them out rather than it just be like a crime boss again.

I am getting a bit fatigued with a crime boss story that he threw down after all it's when it comes to Batman. You never heard Falcone he said so many times and since like 2005 when the movie started. I think any real person. I think when you like you play in the video games of Batman then is it the rock star is it rock star?

Yeah rock steady but yeah. They are some of my favorite games in the world. I think when I got into game and Grand Theft Auto and one of the one of the batmans was the first things I played at the stage completely self and I felt this such a sense of achievement and I think the games are fantastic and they bring out so many different characters that you're like why can't we just like get a big screen? We're basically we need like some kind of long Halloween where everyone breaks out of Arkham and then you can have your two-minute scene where he goes and finds Calindaman.

It doesn't have to be an entire movie for all these like weidos. That would be tough to do on screen though I think. But I've enjoyed it kind of like the Suicide Squadron or we were even like when you went around you saw different villains and stuff like give them like little cameos. I'm sure a Calindaman was in there because it was his brother.

It was his brother. It was his Sean Gunner. He was a batman. What was it the Lego Batman which I think is hilarious.

They're great as well yeah. So funny. Will Arnett who does his voice I think he's hilarious with such an amazing voice but the dude is full laundry list of all the DC villains and I have never laughed so loud in the cinema especially and I still quoted to do it where they're like oh well. It's a really good thing when it just re-plays and we brain all the time.

But I'm gonna be a bit controversial because as I said I'm a big DC fan and I love the comics and I love all the comics as well. Getting this version and all people probably say it isn't the best version that we've had but to get this version on the big screen and how it worked and I think it was beautifully shot and beautifully acted and even though like the change massively from the comics my favourite is probably Constantine and it's probably not a lot of people's favourites and Sam's probably gonna say she's never seen it. I won't watch it. The Hellbladys is one of my favourite comics in the world like I absolutely adore that big so much that when I realised who was playing him I was like I just can't bring this.

I want it. I just can't bring this out to watch it. I could probably do with a re-watch because I think I only saw it like once when it probably came out on rental or something. A lot of people give it shit because of as I said the big changes that they made but taking them changes away like they get fair enough it's Keanu Reeves it's not some livability in Skewsa but it is a Constantine movie it is like almost like it's from Hellbladys comic the way it's shot the way it's used the characters as well and how Keanu plays the character he has the attitude of Constantine where he just doesn't give a fuck it's all about himself and he brings that in and Rochelle Weiss is absolutely stunning like the most beautiful woman in movies and she's absolutely beautiful in this movie and even Shiloh Birth isn't Annoying which is surprising when he comes to a lot of thing and having part of midnight in it as well and having Peter's Stormer being one of the best portrayals of Lucifer in any type of show movie going and having like say Tilda Swinning in her as Gabriel as well and her little band with Keanu Reeves and I think we're talking about the Sanman podcast as well where when you get the visuals or how the portray hell it's always like in movies done shit to be honest it's always like a glimpse it's always like someone's worst nightmare where when Constantine goes into hell like when he does the whole like see on Sunday goes to try and locate like a dead sister and he's a cat and the cat and the cat doesn't die so you'll get to watch it's not but the portray hell is so hellish and horrible and distorted and just you get the feeling that you don't want to be there it makes it itchy when you look at it um I just thought it was really well done and seen because with Constantine being such a brutal and hard transition form to do because we got the TV show which I enjoyed but it was very Constantine light let's be honest it was it was and the show was the show was doomed before it even aired before it probably was even written say Jowie and that's Jowie and I don't know who had it didn't want it at all they didn't want the the cut it down massively the cut the episodes down and the mix of up the did it the back behind the show and that they absolutely screwed it from start finish but my Ryan is Constantine was everything I wanted him more and I used to I worked for Nerdfte at the time and I was on this massive like concentrate Constantine campaign to get him back and to take him to the CW it kind of went that way but it was something completely different he just went and joined another show yeah don't know what's it come he wants then he brought me to like say it was a legend so tomorrow which was just batshit crazy yeah that's actually not a show there was too much for me to watch that but he also did a lot of advice work for the DC animated movies and I was just so glad that he got to finish John if that's how he was going to be finished he did it on a high as opposed to the shit show that he got from that show but after watching Sandman I actually think I'd go back going and watch the Keanu Reeves on it's a good film like everyone kind of slates it because people are absolutely slates on the chat about it.

I'll give it a rewatch because I remember enough to have a feeling. I was going to say most people are thinking it's only one person that's late and I don't agree with his opinion on anything anyway so it's fine but with Constantine it was very much one where when it came out the internet here that before it was released so when they watched it there's great visual effects like before it's time like the whole bringing the demon out with a little girl at the start is fucking amazing and for a comic book it was right out about something you would say of the exorcist literally it was that good. It built tension it used like see the colours it had strokes of like blade at times like say especially when they're going through nightclubs and constains like walking through and like I know in the comics part of midnight it's like one of these characters that's either good or bad he's like neither or he's always like and he explains it by he's trying to keep the balance in this. The only thing that again that kind of lets it down and it's just a minor thing is how come Gavin Rosen dealers in it as Balzazzar it does a thing that it does a scene where it doesn't work like Lixey's finger goes finger looking goodness like oh that doesn't kind of work type thing but I still think as a movie it's the closest we'll get probably in the next 10 years to Constantine like really visit it and all the talk about doing Justice League dark with what he calls Oof up Star Wars.

Which one? Ryan Johnson? Ryan Johnson. No no.

Like are you bad robots? Erm, did AirCobber fail? Oh I don't know. But yeah bad robot getting it is that what you said.

Oh that's what you were talking about Ryan Johnson. He was like you didn't really good. No I was like that was the right buddy. He makes a hate come up with a story like of say the three films and give it all the people to try and make films wrong but then how do you come back to the last one to fix it and he just didn't do a good job.

Oh Gigi. Gigi everyone. Hi. No Gigi Abrams.

Yeah but you never know with everything that's going on at the moment I've won but this is that look I was getting fired off now. I'd love to say John like have a show like what the Watchmen got. I really want something along those lines. I would love that.

I just think he's so interested especially called the occult stuff and ah. Definitely it is. Like see if anyone's like want to start out writing like a DC comic score to help either. Hopefully it is for one or two.

That makes it then move to the Sandman because like they do it in the Linkback Times and that was always the thing that kind of like we talked about during the Sandman episode. I still don't understand and even after watching again I loved it and I loved the character for Trill but I still don't know why it wasn't John. Yeah. Was in the comics that was John.

After now I know because I didn't realize that Joanna was an ancestor. And then a dance was like oh yeah it was meant to be John. I was like why wouldn't you have John? They would run with John.

Yeah. You'd leave class. Too much baggage possibly. I mean I didn't know that the character had this much baggage until we talked about it on the Sandman.

Yeah when that came out I kind of just took it for what it was. I think I was like oh cool. It's a dark superhero movie. But yeah I honestly can't remember too much about it but I'd give it a rewatch.

I'll actually give it a watch after watching Sandman I would like to see. Just see I'll I just want to see what it's like because it's been a very long time since I've read how this is like Keanu's been on like an upward trajectory like lately so maybe our opinions of Keanu isn't accurate and more favorable. It's true. He actually said he wouldn't mind doing constant doing too.

Now he's like getting low from the John Wick films and stuff like that and he's got more bold so he probably said he would I would like to say a pick up to all the cigarette Kia Spock and all the later. It's Magic Man just had both Constantine and Joanna. It's not true. It's true.

It's just Magic Smell goes right. It's literally three and then everyone's happy. Um but yeah what was it going to say? Wasn't about Constantine was about Watchmen.

I just thought it was a nice segue. Yeah. It was a nice segue. We had a segue.

I know I did a little bit like this before but I always want to read this out because it's one of my favorite courts and like lines in the comic book and in the movie. Dogcarpness is an alley this morning. Taya Tread on a burst on it. The city is afraid of me.

I've seen its true fiest. The streets are extended but as and the gutters are full of blood and when the dreams fully scab over all the vermin will drown they're crumly at the filth of their sex and murder will form up and they're around their wastes and all the halls and politicians will open shout save us and I'll whisper no. I feel after the goonies about the group. The group is dead to me.

It's either scum and villainy. End line where the city races in and they'll shout out and shout save me and I whisper. No. I love that line.

That was the opening as well in this like in the story and it's short where there's where this actually story was gone and I know again I think with a lot of day's a films it's very mixed with the opinion. It's either very marmite should we say it's either someone I love it or someone absolutely hates it. I loved watching. I've got the 10 hour cut.

I don't think it's 10 I think it's about six hours the old mid-court. How was it? It's got all the missing stuff and it's got all the black seal stuff all in there because it was black seal daily brought it afterwards. You can watch the cartoon but it's in the cut film so it's very much like the comic except from missing giant squid but.

That film is fine. Too much to explain. Like in the time but it is a Zack Snyder film. It's of course going to be absolutely beautiful to look at because he is such an amazing cinematographer.

I think that's what he just needs to do. Just go and make beautiful films but just don't put your right in process. We're just making it look because he does it and he made what a look beautiful. There's no other way to describe how gorgeous that film is.

Did you guys read the comic beforehand? Because that did but just before because I heard the movie was coming out and everyone was saying it's based on this really good graphic novel. So I did pick it up from KHMB or something but probably only weeks before the actual movie came out. I've owned it many forms.

I've had the original comics for a while and sold them not too long ago actually but this was my comic. I went to to read when I was bored. It was dark. It was brooding.

You cheered for people. You felt sorry for people. You hated ones. It gave you literally every emotion.

And just the story behind it was just it swapped to us and not many comics will do that. It's up there with I would say not just comics but some of the best works of writing that came out in the last 50 years. Definitely reminds me of the kind of stuff that I caught and got into as well. In the sort of probably a bit later 2000s and stuff like your invincibles and stuff like that and Walking Dead was a certain extent where it was like a proper page toner.

Like an adult story done in comics but it's interesting. Like the Raw Shack speeches wise. It is undeniably cool especially the first time you read it and stuff. It's a bit like it's very nihilistic though and I don't know how well it plays like these days.

Like if someone just picked it up today. I'm not sure how they would feel about Raw Shack because he's kind of like gross when you break down some of the stuff. Yeah I think they did a recent Dooms Day clock was it? Where it was an interlink between DC and Watchman where I exhibit Dr.

Manhattan meddled with the timeline or something so something went wrong. So he brought the new Raw Shack and a few others to DC and he saw like Raw Shack panning on the jorga. I was like I was telling the jorga and stuff. I would like to see that actually.

But it's a very good comic. It's a Dooms Day clock I'm sure it's called. Yeah. You get Superman versus Dr.

Manhattan. Oh dear. This doesn't happen to end well for the boy in blue. They're kind of like two sides of like the same coin as far as like Omnibid and Scores where like clocks somehow like against all odds can still see like see the value in humanity.

Whereas Dr. Manhattan's just like going off the total defense. He's still technically good but in a very like cold. Like absolutely.

Combinically. Yeah. But that's a good that's a good link. That scene the Dr.

Manhattan backstory scene plays out perfectly on screen. Like when I saw that I was like oh it's just the comic come alive and like the music they use just adds to it. But I love how they even slip in all that like incidental stuff. Where it's just like you know like April 13th.

This human nervous system walks down the hallway like all that weird stuff. But it's awesome because it's like it's like him trying to build himself slowly. Everyone thinks it's like ghosts in the lab and stuff. I think that's what sucks now at some point earlier.

Do as perfectly visually he can make a comic book scene come to life. And we found out like we filmed like set up on as well which was a terrible terrible movie. Terrible. It looks absolutely stunning.

That's what I'm looking for. No meaning. Sorry. Sorry.

As you can see the fight scenes in the watchmen are incredibly watchable. If that makes sense like you can tell what's happening. It's got plenty of his slow mo. But to be honest and super hero stuff like slow mo's fun because it's normally something crazy happening.

It's like even just that start where he gets thrown out the window and like smashed around the apartment like the comedian. Like that just looks amazing. What happened over the comedian like literally Jeffery G. Morgan was weird for that role because he looks exactly how he is in the comic.

It is so spooky. It's really in casting. But I think all the cast in the movie was done so well. Jugger L.

Harley as Rorschach. I thought it was inspired. So he didn't do the best running crew good conversions there on. Oh, he's acting a bit afraid he lit her.

Yeah. Oh right. Yeah. He looked at you.

Look at the cast. But he looked exactly like Rorschach. Which was a big reveal in the comic wasn't it? When you saw him and it was like you just looked like this weird little like wiry guy.

Not that you were expecting. I was expecting anyway. And you were like Parak Wilson as night owl as well. Night owl too.

Sorry. And like the whole different things. What I liked about because the other original cinema release. Then what we got the director's coach.

Because there was always a scene in the comic that was really brutal. It was the death of the original night owl. That when he was all done he was killed. That was called the original coach.

Oh yeah. Or in the director's court it was brought back in and it was so well done. And as I said the fight scene is nothing. It was so brutal.

But like I said this was not a comic book movie for kids at all. Like the scene in the bar when Dr. Manhattan Bloers everyone up. And you see the bones and the watches and tendons hanging off the ceiling and dripping everything everywhere.

But what mesmerized me about the movie as well. And it's literally probably about two minutes. That oatmanen. That when he, Bob Dylan, times are a changing.

And he goes through the years and all the changes. And it's literally reading the comic book and seeing by scene. And it shouldn't what happened to the original minute. And then throughout time and how it went crazy.

How like the world like lesbians and was here crimes towards them. There was a lot of top things to you. That is Cape Court in the Rotatin Daws. No capes.

It definitely has some cheesy moments. Because that's sexy in the hallelujah is really stupid when you watch it back. It's actually though it's shot good. Like I'm saying.

It can't be any worse than the sexy in Shorbell. Let's find the question. Yeah. Let's explore it in Fire from Owls.

Shall we see that? Yeah, I forgot about that. Excellent. It means on his flamethrower button.

I didn't get mad at this film. And I thought I really enjoyed it. But the TV series was just, Mwah, perfect. It was really cool.

It was brilliant. But I don't know where it came from. I'm also watching. Really?

No, no, no more. I won't watch anything to do with his work. Anything. He's such a grump.

And I'm so much. He's brought me some of the best stories I've ever read in my life. And I generally find him an interesting person. He talks that he does.

Are amazing. But my god, is he a grump? Like... He's a wallock.

Let me tell you what he wants. I mean, I've been on record before, like saying I'm fine for like creators to be angry. They're the fans. We need a few.

We need a few dudd around. Not everyone can just, you know, be shines and sunshine for all the fans. I can't get where he's coming from, because it's that's his work that he put on two paper. And someone is then saying, all right, well, I can do a better job of that.

And maybe I'll visually look better. I kind of get where he comes from on it. But at the same time, I love the stuff that I've got. Don't tell your shit.

That's right. Oh, right, right. I just, I see, I kind of see a little bit of where he's coming. I was huge, Alan, from a fan.

I try to defend him as much as I possibly can. I love the man. Was he a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen as well? I would have thought about that one.

Was it all right? Even though I'm asking, I saw that in the cinema more times than what I probably should have. It's the media killed off Sean Connery's career. But yes.

It's a good thing. A good thing. But yes. You're going to ask a very interesting question there, Jake.

I'm sorry. I got to do it. Where that came from. And we need to do the director of the watchman, like the writer and stuff.

He didn't want to do anything to do with watchman. All he wanted to do was to start. You know, the big, like the, I've got the clan fights. I've got the town Tulsa.

Sorry, the Tulsa, the Tulsa, the Tulsa, right? Yes. Yeah. He wanted, all he wanted to do was tell that story.

Because it was a true story. And not many people knew about this. It's like one of the blights on American history that became trying to cover up. And he said, clearing off, I'll make a watchman movie.

If I can add this bit, if I can do this, and this said, yes. And that is the only reason. And everything that came from that was busy. Because he didn't want to just remake watching the movie.

He wanted to go on afterwards and do it. But in theory, he couldn't give a fuck about what he told. He just wanted to tell the story about the Tulsa, right? Which I thought was amazing.