Hi everyone and welcome to the Nanny of North Podcast. This is Nanny Podcast and it's hosted by and all the nerds I am, Juanío Sam. And I am the other horse Paul who now like you have that ew in my head for the rest of my life. So if you see me just nod me head slightly, it's because I've got the silver chamois, happy, happy Halloween blasting away always.
And yes, once again, with it being spooky, Stephen, we have got the mistress of the dark, the vampiro herself, Jess once again gracing us with her presence. Lovely, Jess. How are you Jess? How are you Jess?
How are you this fine Halloween dear? Tired. Tired. Oh bless.
It's been out, now it's been out, and scaring the neighbours, that's what she's been doing. Yes. So I know we've given you a lot of content this month and probably you are sick, hopefully you are. And so we can fuck off quickly as well.
Yes, we are doing in Halloween special because me and Sami, it is our Christmas, we don't actually, well, some of you like Christmas, I don't want to. Don't you go, I like December 1st. December 1st. So this is our like, spooky Christmas.
She got married on Halloween as well. This is my win anniversary today. Yeah, so we're not, that's why we're not live live. We are recording.
And hopefully you're enjoying this mid-day stream because yes, I am going to be putting out at 1pm so people can watch this on their lunch ricks because I am that kind of nice guy. But yes. So do you want to do your disclaimer that Sami? If I can remember it.
And we're in Zagmosh today. Everything is just in today's episode. Here's our opinions and our opinions alone. If you would like to discuss anything from today's episode, please come and join us on the Facebook page, the discord at the comment section where we can have an open discussion.
But what we want to have is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong because we can all agree to disagree and fund them and get nervous. So let's keep it fun. Keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of an criticism. I'm not stopping.
I'm just going to keep on going. Keep on trucking. But I knew you'd be doing something and you're getting taken off us. Why are you wearing it?
You look so weird. You look like you've got no neck. To be fair though, we're doing a Halloween movie without Michael Myers. So I thought I'd bring a bit Michael in.
The funny thing is your camera's went off like Jess and Sam. So I didn't say that. The people on the podcast can see exactly what I did. So I forgot that camera off.
Oh well. That was for us then people. It wasn't for you. Yes, it was always doing for us.
It was always doing for us. That's fine. Well, before we kick off the episode, I've got the taglines for this movie. And now the earth will run with blood again.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which craft enters the computer age in a different era begins?
I wouldn't really call it the computer age. That's a bit of a stretch. It's like a little bit of a stretch. Oh my god.
This is my favourite. The night no one comes home. That's my favourite one as well. That is brilliant.
I do like that one. And the last one is the Halloween horror continues. Certainly. And I think this movie gets so much shit.
Yeah. For no reason at all. Because simply because it hasn't got Michael Myers in. Here, Halloween 3 out the title.
And you can never just go on. It doesn't even have to be associated with it. But I mean, if we explain the reason why it doesn't have Michael in, it's because the initially you wanted to go. Halloween 2 didn't do too very well.
And the John Carpenter then kind of checked out and gone. But certain people stayed on. And they wanted to make it like, right, how do we flip this around? And they decided they were going to go down the anthology route.
So Michael was the first story and then they move on to the next one and the next one. The producers of this film didn't even like the idea that Michael wasn't in it. Yeah. And you could tell because they were trying every little thing they can to get Michael Myers reference in there.
Oh, massively. The tribe of Tommy Lee Wallace, the director of said his name right, haven't I Jess? Yeah. Yeah.
That's what he wanted to do. Yeah. He was actually all in. Like very much all in.
And the even the cast were they were very from the documentary I watched like the Megan of it. They were very cautious, but still give it 100%. The new it wasn't kind of be also worthy or anything like that. But what they didn't realize is years down the line, it becoming this cold classic that everyone absolutely adores.
That's what I was going to say as well. Because I might be wrong with this, but I would say probably in the last five or so years, this has grown massively. Like compared to, this was always like when I grew up, no one would talk about Halloween 3. It was like kind of like the black shape of the franchise, which is crazy when you watch some of the other Halloween movies, some of them are completely unwatchable.
The poor road one, fuck me. I'm sorry. That is horrendous. It's not even like I know when we done the review of like this was many, many men's go, well, is it the good, the bad, the Rob Zombie?
Oh, that was such a good title. Um, when we reviewed all the different Halloween movies and we tried and attempted to watch them all, I don't think you managed to do them all, did you? Couldn't watch them. Couldn't.
One couldn't find them. Yeah. Because they should have really hard to find. Not now.
Go on prime. They're all on prime apart from season. The witch. It's only one out of all the Halloween franchise that haven't, you can rent and value it.
But you can't watch this party of prime package. Um, that couldn't do it. Couldn't even, we did an episode on monsters on Michael Myers. Couldn't even do it then.
Had to blag me with her that one. They are very unwatchable. Well, what were your just, what was your, like, let's go back to first experiences. Cause I think like with us being of a certain age and just being one of the young ladies, to be fair, this movie came out the year I was born.
So that's sure to like, like my age as well. So you would have seen this either on late night TV or a dodgy VHS, I would think. Yeah. I think so.
I only wanted those as like, when you go through like all the tracking movies and you kind of like, right, you've seen this, maybe this is really terrible. And so I don't, like it turns into like, yeah, if you see a season of witch and like, you've got a watch, like how ridiculous this one is. Yeah. Right.
Instead of saying whether like, I was never a Michael Myers fan. Never been a Halloween fan. Um, controversial, I know, but I just find it very dull. I get it.
I totally get it. But we all can't be perfect like me. But still, I have to say, which is my all-time favorite. That's the greatest Halloween movie because it doesn't fit to Michael Myers.
It's so much better. Um, it's so ridiculous. I love it. It's just so over the top.
It's so, um, it's so just, there's just so many things that we've got. I'd love to know what the thought process we're doing this movie. Yeah. I think the new word was, and the new, as Sami said, the new, this wasn't going to be like I said, the major, the change in horror or changing movies, the new, it was low budget, but that is why it's right.
So we're just going to make this as fun and as stupid as possible as they can. Now, watching, like when you watch it back, there's some fun ridiculous decisions, there's some absolutely crazy things, but you, you're there for it. You're, you're living for it. I know, just that this is a favorite Halloween film.
I think when me and Sam sat down and tried to work out like which Halloween order we would prefer. Again, Halloween, the original, is my all-time favorite horror movie. So that, that has never been taken off. I would say, season of which is second followed closely by the, the newer one, the 90, the 2018 one.
Yeah. As I said, all kids to war, kids to war with a game changer for a lot of, yeah. Yeah. It's pretty fun.
Yeah. But with this, it's like such a brave choice. I know like that idea from Halloween too, the one to do on apology movies that each Halloween that was going to be a new Halloween film, but was going to be like a different story, a different telling of like, like the weed and the wonderful. But they kind of lost the bottle.
The kind of when shit, this didn't work, we're going to go back to the William Shatner mask and stuff like that. But I really do believe if the, if the state said fast and kept with that tradition, we could be still getting, I know we still get in Halloween, like my gama's movies, but we probably still could be getting a new Halloween horror movie like now. And people would still be invested because there's not many different Halloween or horror stories. And people always love a good horror tale.
It's just probably this movie was ahead of its time. It like the ideas and like the ambitions of the movie as well. I know when he did the taglines, like saying for the computer Halloween for the computer age, like it's like my, my, my, my will be wife had a quite funny comment when we were watching it because we're just, yes, they were going up the same I've seen venom and then you went, which again, I enjoy probably saw an ITS now, that's probably the bad thing. But she was like, he laboratories back then are completely different to what laboratories are now.
It's like, like this area 51 bunker where they've got all the symbiotans, like super high tech and super, like clinical and stuff like that. And this was in a factory warehouse with a few boxes and a few TV monitors with like big buttons, things, press the things that make things happen. And the big red button do not touch it. Just written on the side.
Which, which again, it's just a funny take because the budget must have been shit like they mustn't have had any money for this movie. I'll be honest with you. They probably put more money in making the masks than they did actually making the big. I was just thinking exactly the same thing, the money because their masks were absolutely phenomenally good.
But you are right. This did take risks because at the time we are in the height of slashers. So to do something that doesn't consist of a slasher in the 80s was quite a big risk. And so this would have fitted great in the end of the 80s as opposed to the beginning of the 80s when slashers were starting to die out and it was getting to the point of ridiculous.
And this is well before you've got your screen that comes in and rejuvenizes it. It would have fitted perfectly towards the end of the 80s because it didn't, it wasn't competing against her slashers were huge, the massive in the early 80s. I think it's sort of fitting really weird because it gets attached to the slashers because it's Halloween. But it fits more with movies like the stuff reanimated, like we're all done.
It's a bit wild. We're going the other direction in the 80s of what crazy products are going to kill you this time or we're going to mess with life and death. And it fits way more in with that section of the movies. So it's going to throw people off watching it expecting it's going to be another like, it's not, it's not, go and then watch that stuff, go watch all the ridiculous ones because they're absolutely amazing.
Yeah, I was thinking the animator because I did that it was so not long ago. I was like, this fits totally in that era of horror. But also the use of Stonehenge just reminds us of Troll 2. Sorry.
No, not fine. But that's a good point to think. If you think about like movies of the time, like the risks that were taken, if you went to a movie producer or a studio now with this script and said, right, I'm going to do a horror movie that's going to involve robots, it's going to involve killing kids, it's going to involve these cool masks, Stonehenge, cults, everything they can think of, they'll just go, what the fuck are you waiting again? We want Tom Meghan to star in it.
Yeah. It's so funny, maybe like, I think every time I do one of these, I'll have a job, I'm like, what maybe we're doing and trying to explain this maybe to be even if I'm making it up. All this stuff happens in one movie. He's like, yeah, now I'm even saying out, it doesn't sound like a real movie, does it?
It's like, what is it? The crazy thing about it. What horror movies normally live and die by is like the heroes or the villains and stuff like that. There's even the heroes not very likable in this movie.
Like, Tom Meghan's like, the doctor character is a valent. The way he goes on, he's an alcoholic, like doctor, he's made some short bad life choices. He goes on a road trip with this young lady. Something rather seen as kids on Halloween.
Just like leaves them and she has a hotel and tries to do the nice things, they know how I'll sleep in your car and stuff like that and she gets seduced by this woman who, again, I know she's grieving and she's just lost her father, but she sleeps with him very easily after this last time. I know everyone likes to be comforted in certain ways, but she was more like, yeah, let's get down and journey tonight. It's such a weird way how he does it. It's how she's positioned in front of the camera because she's like, obviously, just heads to the side and he's like over here.
It's just a weird angle of how he comes in to kiss her and I'm like, oh, that's so icky, no, don't like that. Okay, and the whole robot things, again, that shouldn't have worked, but it kind of does due to the like, the horrific deaths in this. This, again, I know me in some love, practical effects, but this was Hammy. This was like, B-movie style, like, practical effects.
And you get a straight from the start where, like, when they're coming up with the girls near now, Ellie's father who's clutching on to the mask and won't let the mask go is in the hospital bed, and you would think they would have removed it in some way by giving them some kind of like, calm down or like sedative, but no, he's still keeping all of that mask and this guy in a suit. That's probably the idea of the suit, the idea of this movie. If you look at where a suit, you can basically walk into any situation and no one will question you. So, so that's just be a smart dress man and you could be a savior.
Well, I think it's a time of like, all straight and you'll be kind of uprising is happening. So, you know, men in suits are cactated more seriously than men outside of suits. Definitely. And the death scene for that is just like hilarious, but not that's unclarious, but it's just the weird pulls out.
He doesn't just crush his head, he puts his hand on his nose and he pulls his nose out and it looks horrible. It's disgusting, but it's like, I'm sure that would have been easier with the colors, or quite a weird. Yeah, and I've got the I've got the plot up in front of us and all it is is he's murdered by another suited man. So, mystery men in suits.
It does. I don't see how he has cludged in a jackaland in a suit. One thing I was going to ask as well, and again, I don't know if it's just me, like, not like, might have missed it. I've watched this a number of times, but did they explain the robot at all?
Did they tell you how these robots were playing or where they came from? Kind of because they do much because there's the old lady one that knits and like all that that one's from like 17 stone so it's like they've been doing this a long time. And I'm sure it is one of those like standard eighties cult plots of miraculously the planet's aligned up this year and you know, the way it all is time building these weird machines and stealing a piece of stonehenge. But it's that standard eighties plot where it's like it doesn't have to go in depth.
It doesn't have to give you a whole rundown of a backster. It's like bad guys be bad guys. These are the bad guys. Look at them in their seats being really creepy and they all look at the same page.
We're bad guys. We're bad guys. So, and as somebody said, the plot was interesting. So obviously it's about this cult that Stela Rock from Stonehenge.
Like again, getting a stone from Stonehenge in England all the way to America hidden in this warehouse and it wasn't just a little stone. It was a big one as well. The point is that the line, because he asks the guy, how did you do? It's like, took a lot of work.
Wouldn't you like to know? And he's like, yeah, yeah, because it's where they're actually unmovable. That's the whole mystery of them. Why Stonehenge?
Why did Americans just think it's magic rock? Because again, it's used in troll too as a magic rock. I think so. I think it's that American logic looking at the English and like kind of British pagnes and stuff like that into the American States.
Oh, it's all the wealthy speaking, the British are all weird and culty and it's like, no, we're just very boring. I mean, like Greg's. I'm excited really. I'm just like, true, sorry.
I'm happy to Greg's right now. You can't even get to Stonehenge now though. That's the thing. I think they've gone it off.
So you can't even know. No, you can. It has a little barriers now. Oh, yeah, you've got the open them up on the solstice.
If you can see the bridge on them. Yeah, they still have full rights to it. But yeah, it's because everyone's pushing it, it's starting to wear away at the parts of the rock and it's like just preservation of like, yeah, there was some protesters protesters also got in and did some markings on it as well. And you can't restore that kind of rock.
So yeah, but on the solstice, the winter, summer, when I was at the do, we opened it up for people to sit around it, but it is very, these people are there for a reason. They're not there to be respect. No, definitely. And I can say I'm not just giving onto the somebody, but I think as well, there's so much not known about Stonehenge.
I think that's the intrigue, and especially at that time when the movies get made, because people still don't know how they saw, so everything was erected at that time, especially magic or aliens. That's always the theory, because apparently to move the stones from where they were quarried, they would have had to use modern technology, even modern equipment couldn't have done it as accurately as it was done back then. So again, this post be like anti gravity, things being used. So witchcraft and science fiction has always been around Stonehenge ever since people can't actually see it, how it was actually done.
Oh, I feel it's just the ancient aliens things, how to explain Stonehenge like aliens. Well, that's getting clipped. Yeah, I agree, time traveling aliens just plunk them there. I have no answers when it comes to Stonehenge.
All I know is that I need to, in my lifetime, go to the summer stars, so I can see where it sits on one of the rocks where the sun just sits perfect. I just want to see that. I'll be happy. I'll be happy.
I'll be happy if I can just see that moment, because it looks, when you see people's photographs of it, because I watch this stuff's live, and there's always someone on TikTok on something like recording it. And in that moment, it's just, you can hate everyone was quiet for it. Like it's silent, there's hundreds of people there and it's just a silent moment. Yeah, I want to go and do that.
What I know what I'm talking about, I love what you've just said there, because if you think about it, how much work and how much time and precision it takes to do what they did, just for that one moment every year. That moment, that moment, the sun sits on top of one of the rocks is absolutely beautiful. So modern horror writers, you are missing a trick by not including Stonehenge in your modern-day horror. This is what we need, more weird shit around Stonehenge, because it works.
We look, there's two movies we've named already and I bet there's more out there. Where's Stonehenge? I can't handle that at all, that's the worst. That's just, they call it the magic rock.
Stonehenge, Stonehenge rock of the magic rock. Oh my, oh my, oh, anyways, my understanding is with the Stone being magic and energizing and the use of the powers of the sun on Halloween, not the moon on Halloween night, energize the rock into powering these microchips to the microchips have any part of the rock in them. Yes. Yeah.
That was, that was it. To create these masks that like in two instances, one where the woman pokes up with a hair clip, like why would you put it with a hair clip, that was probably the most stupidest idea in the world and she gets zapped in the mouth, so she took one in the mouth and it wasn't a good one. Like the effects on that, it was very beautiful. Did you remember we're running at one o'clock?
She took one of the bachelors rock guys, Paris-ele, Paris-ele, Paris-ele, Paris-ele, Paris-ele. Well, yeah, we'll do half of wax one, dear, that'll be the interesting topic. That'd be a good one. Oh yeah.
That's a bit, though, like the aesthetics on her when it shows her a face, watching it back, it looks now kind of what they've done for the character. It's the one in Terrify where she's missing her eye. Yeah, it looks so similar. Like how do you look?
Yeah, she looks a lot like Vicki. Rather the imagery is like the actual show you kind of the damage it's done. I love that this doesn't shy away with like you got to see how grim everything is. You know what's actually quite scary in that scene as well?
Like you think she takes the shots and you say a face and you think, oh she did, she takes the last breath. So she takes a breath and it's like, oh, it's just still almost alive. Then some kind of weird creature crawls out of her mouth. I was like, oh, what the fuck was that?
That was like, that's when it starts getting to the bizarre side of things. That's when it gets off. When you think about it as well, like in a horror movie, in a Halloween movie, well, the Halloween movies and there's totally especially the other ones, there isn't many deaths in these movies. It's always being like what you think or it's always amplified.
But this one, there's only one, two, three, well, there's nine deaths, it's all the way all through. It's just trying to work out because there's more than a thought actually because I didn't think it was going to be that many. I only know that because of what I am doing in front of us. And it tells us to kill Count.
And I don't know, keep talking. Because they'll have the different types of kills. I know you have one at the start where you get these gnaws ripped out of his own skull and that kind of kills him. He probably chokes on his own blood.
Then you get the decapitation scene, which is, I'll be honest, it is the worst decapitation scene I have seen in any film. It looks like a mannegan's just getting said below. But you think, oh, where's the blood? Then it took us to the rest of the scene.
It's like one bit of splurch and it's just like, all right, that was fun. Then you got the shot on the face. Then the gore for the kids. The kids death scene, that was horrific.
Oh, it's brilliant. The body count is nine. If you're taking a fierce value, the chalice field millions. But yeah, nine, nine.
But no, the kids death. Awesome. My favorite moments. I love it.
I love the proper poor, for comparing it as well. Like it is the worst level of power. Like they're just chatting away. I'm just like, like kind of bicksening at each other.
And the kids on the floor just like, oh, I'm like, Christian, I love it. I love it. It's not. I wonder what's happening to be a cholly over there.
Oh, no, that is satisfying moments, especially because you've been, you sit in that room with them for quite some time. You get to see the characteristics of these absolute bellends of parents and our awful kid and all. So when he gets that, when he gets a fierce crush and you're like, oh, satisfying. This comes from someone who has no children, as you can tell.
But yeah, that's quite shocking. I think you never often see child death in a lot of horror and peace. Then you just catch it like, yeah, he said, and that's kind of the plot of maybe we're going to kill them all. It's this shows you like the level of sadistic my wife is, though, like I say a little bit of death, but she just scammed me at times when she says certain things.
When the kid died and all the things and interesting things come out of the mask and you think, oh, for where they come from, like all the bugs and snakes and stuff like that, she was like, oh, that's interesting. So why are they trying to say that like these bugs and snakes are evil and nasty? It might be just like harmless bugs and snakes just there that people are going to be scared of now because it's killing the kid. I was like, all right.
And see, not bothered about the kid dying. You're more bothered by people are going to think that snakes and bugs are nasty and evil. I was like, you're weird. No, I get what you mean.
I do get what she actually means. Like, what's the point? Like plot as well of the idea that well, the masks will take the kids out and then all these bugs and snakes and things will take everyone else out who wasn't wearing a mask. But it's not very well-exposed.
That's why they're all coming out. They're supposed to take everything else out in its path. Like, it's not very well-exposed. They're just kind of there in like a weird Ingenid Jones moment as well when it's coming out the kid's mask.
You kind of feel it. I can see the Wrangler just kind of like, go on. Come on, come on. Somebody's like, come on.
Did you know? Did you know? There's a very famous cameo in this movie. The voice and operator, the chalice keeps getting when he tries to call out and is none other than Jamie Lee Curtis.
Oh, right. Interesting. So she is involved in this film. Right.
Yeah. But she didn't want to show off the internet. I can understand why. But yeah.
I think that's a brilliant touch though. It still kind of ties into the, I mean, the actress to the film, I guess, but not exactly tying it to the Halloween franchise or the person seconding. Yeah, but just not to speak of the volume of how much the production company wanted this to be involved in the Halloween franchise. As I said, with the little cameo where he's went Tommy Higgins characters in the bar watching for the TV channels and it goes to the original Halloween tour night and it kind of like, oh, turn that over shit or something like that.
But he's ex-wife is also Nancy Loomis in the first one. I had voice man that fucking hurt. Shrill voices, annoying as shit. I would have, I don't know what I would have done.
I would have damaged what had been done because the way she spoke to him, I was like, oh, it's like Neil's going down a barge. What has he done to her? True. Yeah.
I have a response and reaction as well. Because when she rings back and she's like, oh, I can't make a such and such a way. I can't tell you why I am. She's like, all right, how many drinks have you had this type of type of thing?
So she's sick of me shit. And again, that's why it's weird watching this because normally when you're watching like a horror movie or like a scary movie, there's people to root for and you're kind of not rooting for anyone when you want thriss. Yes, you don't want the evil corporation to win in all kids in America to die, but you kind of do at the same time. Really?
I was going to say, don't do me. I know who I'm rooting for. Eddyn offered it hard because I can't damn his character in it because he's like talking to such a lovely person. And I'm like, regardless of how bad he is in the movie, I'm just like, no, he's still full.
I think you're nice really. That's fine. No, I'm looking up to him to meet the guy and stuff. Just genuinely one of the nicest people in the world you'll ever meet.
I've never come across someone so wholesome as what he is. He's like, but he is the dream guest. I decided to anyone just ever out something going meet him. Just come over with a little one fuzzy feeling after you've met.
Sorry, but the kid was too big. He's definitely going to try and get his steel book signed. But the actor himself, when I watched his documentary, I said that he was like a meagin' olf. And he just, he has nothing but sweet and lovely things to say about the whole production.
And when asked at the end, do you think they stopped it after you're screaming down the phone? He was like, I have to believe that they did. I was like, I like where you thought the process was going down. He was like, yeah, I have to believe that they did because I have to believe that there was people out there.
It's entirely down to your interpretation with this movie, how this movie ends. And that's great. More movies should do that because I know a lot of people, when they kick a lot of people kick off, I like the complete story. I like to know how things thing.
But why? Sometimes it's like your imagination, and it's the whole premise of horror. Your imagination is it can do a lot more damage or scary than basically anyone else that can show you. And that's why I think I know all people love them.
And I think that's why the terrifying movies do fall down a little bit. Yes, you get the shock factor and it's kind of like the gross out aspect and like say, oh yeah, it's kind of like the badge of honor saying I've watched this terrifying movies. But they don't leave anything to the imagination. And you kind of like, you think, and they did play about with it with number three.
And again, this is just a spoiler for a little one. I don't know if he's a bothered about spoilers or you bothered about this one? We've had the news, Mikey. I can't give a fuck about the viewers.
And after your shit. So basically at the start, he's dressed as Santa and he's gone through just like a house, like a nor raising for it. And he kills a little boy, he kills the mum and dad, and there's a little girl, I'm just hiding in the cupboard and he opens the cupboard and sees her. And that's where it cuts.
But doesn't show you anything that happens. So it's like, you can then get make that make up like in your mind, is that little girl's alive? Is that little girl dead now? And again, that's that's where the fear factor and like you can run away.
And again, part and back to all the horrors, like the Texas Jinsall massacre, you don't see any of the kills. You just hear the screams. And it's like, you can get the impression of what's happened, but you don't see any blood. You don't see physically anyone gets kind of get killed.
It's all done behind closed doors. And simply the Michael Myers situation is well, and a lot of people are bored and you don't actually know why Michael Myers is able or why Michael Myers does what he does. It's just that you can make up your ideas or your have your own thoughts and like, why is and probably you can think of a million different things that's probably scarier than someone showing you why. Yeah, and it has a perfect horror engine anyway.
That's like, that's what makes it scarier because you don't know. And you're in the same kind of trauma as to not can just scream in at the TV and just like, Oh my God, what would you be doing? It's still a good way to stop it. I love it because it's just so brutal and to make like to make his point.
But I do agree with Paul in some degrees because I have said I am one of these people who I do sometimes like a complete story, but it depends on what it is. And it's probably more out of frustration because I am not an imaginative person to where I can't think this is where that would go or this is how I feel it's how I feel like things went. But I think it works on some occasions and definitely the examples Paul gives. But when it comes to like kind of psychological horror, I don't want to be left with questions.
I'd rather have the answers because I would be so frustrated. I can see that brings in conversation and then you can have like the debate like why you think this happened for this reason and stuff like that. It's like again, talk about psychological horror, science of the lungs when Hannah Lech is following that guy and the plane is going to be an old friend for dinner. And then you don't see anything.
It's like, did he catch up with them? Did he have them for dinner? And again, it's just like again, you want to get on that one because and that's exactly what I was thinking of because I hear the line in Scream where and I think it's kind of a lecture or is it yeah, it's kind of elected. Do we know why Hannibal Lech did what he did?
And he goes, no, we don't. Well, we actually do because if you ring the books, it tells you. But at the same time, the end of the film, when he does say that, I always I always have the conversation about when he did it. Yeah, he did it.
And then I go and then I go and hide in the corner thinking about kind of a little bit. To be fair, Hannibal Lech there was a vindictive bastard as well. So he would have like, he never let anything lie. He wouldn't let it drop.
No, the way he went after Wilgreens family as well. Like in my, I'm under a dragon depending on which version you watch is sure as how vindictive and like petulante can be as well. So I quite like that. But yeah, you give up a good serial killer, really mad to do statistics, a real killer is warmer dress.
That's the worst of the worst. And both man and dragon are very good, by the way, equally as brilliant as both equally have two excellent Hannibal Lech there's playing them. Anyways, I just braced out essentially Hannibal Lech there's a petty bitch. He's like, well, you're going to put me behind bars.
I'm going to send a statistics serial killer at the audience. When you spent your whole life believing you're the most intelligent man in the room, and then having that realization, it's like, how far would you push that to kind of get that back? I totally got the moment it's sorry to go on attention, but on the moment, the moment he went green on red dragon, I'm just going to take red dragon as the example. And because it's kind of played same in the book, when the realization when he's reading the recipe book, and he can start to piece it all together, and you just see Hannibal behind him, and it's almost that look of, you've got to be fucking kidding us.
That's how he did it. Like, he looks devastated. And then obviously it switches very quickly into fight off light, who someone's going to die in that room. Anyways, Halloween team three.
But I said, it is a Halloween special. Like, it's a difficult one with this movie as well, because there's not much meat where you can take apart or like there's not much, like, it's a great movie. I know it sounds like we've slayed the phone because it is Patrick Krizzie, but there's so many fun elements to it. If you just sit down, switch your brain off and just war right, I'm going to take it through the big because there's no like really clever parts.
I think the only thing that kind of sets you good. Oh, that's what I was next about that is what Jess said, like the robots. The robots kind of like throw you completely out of the blue. Well, during I've got I am David York during a panel at the 2013 35 years of Terra Halloween Convention in Pasadena, California, Tommy Lee Wallace was asked by the moderator to explain the sort the connection between Stonehenge Island, robots, laser beams, and both melt melt flesh and produce.
Okay, then that connection, he asked what that connection was. And while this is only response was it's magic, man. I love that. It's like a science science wizard did it.
I do love the fact that the masks are repurposed again for the Halloween franchise in the 2018 when you see them sitting in was it the 2018 one? No, the 2021 one, it was Halloween kills. It wasn't the 2018 one where they're sitting in the park and the three kids have got the masks on. I love the repurpose of that.
It should, to be honest, their masks need to be seen more. They are some of the greatest design work for masks. One of us, and they are creepy as well, like the whole idea, like, and again, iconic skeleton pumpkin and a witch. You think, oh, they are the most iconic characters, but for me, it's not just like a lot of the bits, the colors as well, like the vibrancy in this as well.
The green, the green. I don't think I would love to own their masks, but I'm not paying 50 or 60 quid per mask to have them. And again, I can't justify, I know I've either weighed a wonderful ship of 60 quid for a bit of rubber. I can't.
Yeah, I get that. And I got me, me, necker figures, me, Frank and Stein and bride of my sister, and we've got a lot of family birthday. A certain business was given out of limited edition cards. And the, there were things in the witch ones, and I got the pumpkin head one, and it was either colors and it was absolutely so it's the design of the pumpkin as well.
It's not your traditional looking pumpkin either. It's got a different kind of shape to it, but still recognizable as what it's meant to be. And it's just, they're absolutely stunning. But you're all right, there's no kind of like meatiness to this.
Like when I was watching the making of it, there was no scandal, there was no, you know, everyone got on. It was, it was a great set. You know, then you're exactly what they were doing, and then you're exactly what type of movie they were making. And then you're exactly what type of response that they were going to get.
They had no expectations of this. They just didn't realize that in, you know, 20 years later, it would be a success is what it is. With you saying that the success that's came from as well, do you think this could have a rebirth or like people could do a reimagining of it? Like I said, I don't have to continue with the Halloween elements to it, but they could basically go on the Halloween lore from like the season of the witch story.
I know in elements of the later Halloween movies that kind of touched on like the cult aspect, I think Halloween 4 and 5 and 6 possibly, whether it went into the cult of Michael Myers and that was both been leaning to this. But do you think this one could be kind of remade for a modern audience? It'll be interesting. No, and I don't think it should be.
You need to call it high enough to your love of the film. No, I think this is a thing we have, but how have you, it's we've got a cult status movie. It's because it wasn't a pre-shade at its time. It's grown with popularity, but it does, I think it's, cult movies are always very off their time.
They could have only been made at that point. They would have only ever had that feel and that design of that because it's obviously not as to when it was made with not realizing how this would be perceived audiences. Like things like the thing, it was so what happened when they tried to go on back and do that. And it's with something like this, I mean, it'd be hard anyway because you have to talk about massive alcoholism, a huge age difference and you know this kind of alcoholic, I'm going to say it's sexy doctor trying to get anywhere near.
There's a lot in it where you kind of like it's the eighties, this stuff doesn't fly anymore. You won't get in a way with any of this in a movie anymore without getting cancelled. So I think it is sort of it's time because it's the 80s, like it's usually 80s. So you can definitely not have a relationship with a between a quality something you're all about, a 20 something girl is the sort of two art characters.
Yeah, I think again what I found more interesting in the story watching again last night wasn't like as I said, the the waders and stuff like that was the fact that a company could come into like a small town and totally take over it and almost like big brother at the same time. Like you get the like the drunk town, like the town drunk walking through and spilling like the information to Tommy and his doctor about how like all the people in the town are being watched, all the people are being listened to, like all the actions are didn't think that kind of like engross me a little bit more like if the work going to do, I'm not saying the work but if they were going to do like a remake or even like a remastering of this type of story, that's the story that would be interesting as well, how the town was taken over by this company and what kind of was involved with that and what levels of like the corruption and kind of like getting the fingers in the pies type thing. I think that again was quite interesting and I kind of wanted to know more about it because it was touched upon and it was kind of like yeah I'm quite interested in that but you don't really go any further than that. Like what happens to the town after this big like as you said, I know you would have to find out if the big question was answered, did he stop it yes or no, but what happened to the town, what happened to America after the ramifications after this like did the pagan stable did they start sacrificing the virgin and the pail moonlight every Tuesday night.
That's not what the pagans do. Every religion on this one. I don't know, you might as well go down that route at all. I'll just take the box for everyone, that's what I think so.
No one's excluded. No one's excluded. It's so interesting you mentioned the thinking of Jessica earlier because it's always something I remember when I did event horizon and the directive event horizon showed it to John Carpenter, I think it was John Carpenter, and John Carpenter said, may I cut it? It was cut?
It was shorted to cut it was only when Tim made just be prepared in 20 years time. People kind of love this. Yeah. And it's so sad that that's how some people have to think when they're making their movies.
And it just makes us think is that what they thought or did the sudden uprising of this film years later kind of took them by surprise or did they think this is not made for now. This is made for now as in we're making it in 80s kind of thing. And it's all you know, but we are technically making this for maybe 20 years down the road. It makes us think that people think like that when they're making films.
Probably not at the time because everyone wants to make something and again, let's be honest, people want to make money and people want to do things for free as well. So it's nice that these things were getting made and probably won't appreciate the time. We're getting the appreciation of the deserves. Yeah.
But again, just an point that Jess made as well, like we all eat at the time as well that this movie was made again, play devil's advocate made at the time because if they made this now, like fresh eyes and stuff like that, the probably wouldn't have certain elements as you said. The practically effects they used they would have done special effects and that would have been sort of dawned over the thing. And as I said, as you when they've done the thing remake, the change to practical for the CGI. And that's, well, I still think it's not a bad movie.
It's just not a good thing movie, which watch it in the dark in a campsite where you've got it one of your nephews freaking the fuck out, even though you're not watching it, you can just hear it. That was an experience. That's my I've watched that before I watched the thing and it was only because someone had we had a television in the camp in the tent and so we could watch it. It's one time I back up.
No one's because I. There's something about these types of babies though as well. Like signature is like really a kinder. It's like it probably shows 80s America where it's that corporate is coming in.
You know, you live in front of the TV now, you know, you've got dual working parents, you've got a divorce parents, everyone's struggling, everyone's in deprivation kind of thing. And like all these small towns are disappearing because of corporate America. And it shows a lot of this in it. Like you say that little Irish town, it's like no one lives there anymore.
This company came in and just wiped it out. So I don't know what you'd like now, because it should be like I don't know what it'd be like instead of Halloween masks, sort of being wearing like Trump masks in front of the TV waiting for the election if you did this in modern America now. I feel like that's the real thing. You may be right.
It's just a good time. That's the politics and direction. I think this is that probably where this film is because it said Halloween is a good time. And that's what this movie is.
It's a good time to watch these type of spooky movies. And again, if people haven't watched it, and I think now it is becoming a little bit more easy to watch. Reminds me of a story, and this is before I got into horror movies as well. And people were talking about the Halloween franchise and Halloween movies.
I went to be dar dar dar dar dar, I was like, oh, what's the Halloween movie about? Like, talk about the original one. And I don't think we dar d seen the original Halloween, he'd seen season of the witch. And he just went, oh, it's just a horror movie about my kids' masks on the live and killing them.
And to me, that idea in my head, just like grew and grew and I become obsessed with the idea of Halloween season of the witch, because of you don't plan on the idea in my head. I walked around having, but in my head, I went so much further. It wasn't just, because then you hear about all the different laws and stuff like I haven't like raised up with candy but in the mask, there was raised in the mask and that's how it killed the kids. But that's because my imagination, it's a death from the most.
Yeah, that's crazy. My dad used to always tell us that one film of Scareden the most was Friday 13th. Because the end scene when Jason jumps out of the water, that absolutely terrified him. And I wouldn't watch that for such a long time because of the impression it left on him.
So I was like, well, if he can't stand it, I'm not going to be able to take it. And it's not really that bad kids at times. Carries is worse in my opinion. One of those just people is like, you've got to go and watch the movie, absolutely go and watch it.
And purely for one scene alone. So wait for the month where Tom Atkins sneaks past everyone by moving a rack of masks and nobody notices him giving some scooby-doo move to sneak around the room. This is probably just moving on its own. That's totally novel, right?
We need to define Airties. Is that right there? The whole end sequence is just batshit, really. It doesn't quite make sense because Tom Atkins, as I said, was in the lab, was going lab.
And the looking around for stuff and everything to try and basically stop the evil plot from coming. And he finds a box of the silver shamrock logos, the little disks as things are with a microchip on them. And I don't know how he comes up with that idea. He goes, oh, right.
And the silver box runs up to the computer, remembers the sequence from when he was tied from the kid died and presses the same sequence on the computer, which for some reason, if it starts, you can't stop because all the scientists or robots have this long number one. I'm just going to get like, what's happening? The evil, the evil, the corporation guy, is just basically a standard, agorn, looking all stoic. Tom Higgins and Ellen, Ellie, sorry, run up the stairs.
And the robots start realizing and start like, not chasing them, but like, what can my kind of robot be towards them? And he just throws all the disks at them. And then it just starts shooting the liars across this, across everything. It's like, what the fuck's going on here now?
That doesn't last me completely. But then the guy who kind of, who's running the shore, who's trying to build the evil just looks at him and doesn't get angry, just starts clapping. Just goes, yeah. And then he gets, like, a bit of a rise or sent to the moon.
We don't know. Whatever that is that happens, please. He's not a pager and then just disappears. Magic.
Magic man. But that's probably the best way to describe this moving as just motherfucking magic. The wizard did it. The wizard did it.
Halloween, three season of the witch. The wizard did it. The fuck with it. Any questions of God?
I'm the steward. It's all circling. It's end though, because you know, it starts, you've got her dad and he's run to that gas station and he's trying to get the help. And that's where Tom Higgins is at at the end.
He runs to that same gas station to get the right call. How he knows all these numbers is amazing. The only choice. The only way else to put them.
I don't know them. Somehow knows every TV network's personal number to call them. Listen, I'm as well like, more some turn it off. It's like, wait, we've got this guy.
That's the bad thing's going to happen. We've got this advertisement that people shouldn't do. Yeah. I'll show you the TV networking, right?
You turn off that really annoying advert. It's been planned for two weeks, honestly. You know what? Yeah.
Yes, yes, I will. You know what? I don't think it's going to kill anyone. If it's not, you need to turn it off.
Let's turn it off. They should have taken it too. Oh, yes. So I'm not going to give a rate in this movie because I don't think it's fair to try and rate it because it's not perfect, but I wouldn't change it.
No, same here. And I think that we've done this throughout the movie season. There's a reason we picked these movies for us because we deeply have like a lot of appreciation and affection for them. So to sit there and give a rating on, it was a random film because if I randomly picked one, I'll call it a randomly picked one, but no, we carefully chose these ones for Halloween in this movie season.
Yes. So next year, we're just going to pick some shit ones for you. So fuck you. I'm going to do some absolute really bad body snatching shit.
It's going to be great. We're going to grab a rubber now. So when I think of shit films, like in the body snatching shit, that comes into me head. Oh, I thought we were going to make it.
I'm really tired. I thought we were going to work on hair and stuff and actually get a shovel and say, let's go live. So take another grave. The one thought was I only learned about them this year.
Right. I'm so ashamed. Yeah, I'm so ashamed of myself. I only learned about what they did because I honestly thought this would be well up your street.
And I was like, well, I just thought there were like fairy tale stories. I was like, no, Sam, this is real life. And I was like, oh shit, I went down and asked it rather. It literally was about six months ago.
Oh, I'm just still like, ed up with it. It's great about like, so much of a thing to go and visit around. That's about it. So it's all about it's worth going to see.
I don't know if we have the stuff I get like, we're going next year. I do think like, especially with what we're doing with like TikTok and stuff, a few more live stuff with a graveyard might be fun. That could be an interesting thing we could party again. We saw a very pretty one on the way too.
Manchester, didn't we? You didn't. Well, I saw the corner of me as we were driving away. But like, I'm going to have to nice graveyard.
And you're like, oh, where is it? What's on the other side? Well, yeah. I'm not going to promote anything after this episode because I kind of be bored.
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That's not going to go. That's not going to go. That's what you're pointing out. That's what you're pointing out.
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