Hi everyone and welcome to the Nodipnord podcast. It's a nearly podcast and it's hosted by Nor the Nodes. I am one of your hosts and I am the other host Paul and tonight we are joined by two beautiful perfect specimens of the human race. I think that you can't get, if you get the definition of dictionary of perfection of humans, you have Jake and Jess.
The two cheers. The two cheers are with us tonight. So yes, wait a minute, it feels like a big minute. It was since we've had ages.
Yeah, since we've had Jess on. What was the last one we had Jess on? Oh, Chris, do I know what kind of a... Oh gosh.
I know I spoke in a goth movie. So because of goth- Oh, watchmen. Look, there was a period of time where we could- where Jess was on week after week and then all of a sudden Jess had just gone. Oh my god, that's so annoying.
I can't remember what Jess was on. I think she's got a right. I think it was a watchmen episode. So yeah, yeah, so wasn't that wrong?
The double J-1, the comic crew. What kind of a last one we did? Have you had the dragon? Yes.
That's one we did. That's not an important one, that's fine. That was a pillar of it. That was a three hour episode.
That was a three hour episode. It was the worst part of it is we could have made a file. No, the worst part was, I was like, how's the dragon's ended now? So we've caught this episode.
We need to get up on Tuesday night to get in with everyone watching it. Can you do it, Paul? Yeah, yeah, no problem. Three hours.
Three hours? You've got a message just three hours to explain it to him. I just went, we'll just put that over there. And then just leave him over there in a minute.
Yes, so it's only doing that to you, so... Don't lie, she beats me. She's like, yes, Paul, do it now. Or you won't have your rules.
Otherwise I'll record another three hours. That's the best. To be fair, I'll put your ditch to the excesses for nearly three hours. That's it.
I'll be punished at the moment. It's like, I'm longing to work. Do work for Sammy. Sorry, because you can't have this other one.
That's been the work in relationship for nearly three, for years now, because the only reason we're all here is because I've lost him to do this. Yeah. It's quite scary that the way that you think about it. If we didn't start nerdy up north, like the cult, if we didn't think of this little idea, if we didn't have the podcast that we are doing now, I would know Jess.
I would know Jake. I would know what Sammy you've got to tell us what did I know what Sammy before that. Like the amount of people that came in our lives, because of this stupid little thing, right? It's quite nice to take back, because it was a little reflection day today.
I was a guest there. I think it was three. I've also been, I think a memory popped up of just like where the group was. Like when we started out, I think we had like 400, 500 members.
And it's like, yeah, we hit 500. And now it's like, I think the first episode we were talking about the Facebook group, like, and we're at 600 members now. Yeah. And now it's like, can you just all just fuck off?
I'm just talking about that. But yes. We don't mean that. Really?
Yes. Um, so tonight Sammy, do you want to get this going right the way before you upset everyone else? Yeah, yeah. That's the thing I should have done at the beginning.
Really? You should have concentrated on this. Yeah. Everything discussed in today's episode is our opinions and our opinions are all.
And if you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, please come and join us on the Facebook page. Even join us in the discord. Oh, the comment section. So we have a little discussion.
But what we want to have here is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong, because we can all disagree to disagree and fan them. So let's keep it for us and give a kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of the isn't very well said. I don't know what I would do if I ever forgot them works because I don't have them written down anymore. I used to have like a piece of paper next to it.
It's just in gears. And I don't bother with that now. So I would have them right. I would have left my head.
I guess we can make up new verses on it. I've never heard the original. It's terrible. It's just me going.
Don't come for us, please. I was going to say that there's never left your head. So Sammy, we've got like three years worth of podcasts where you said it on every single one that might help you every fresh. That is true.
Oh, we've got to send it back to someone. Please go and listen and write it down for us for the archives. No, we can get an AI. So I'm going to say it.
That's all the rage. That's all the rage. Oh, no. Oh, no.
No. What do we do? We do it. It's OK.
Like, I need to do it. I know the North Podcast and see what happens. Right, the script is the oldest after me now. It's not what it says.
Oh, I would hear that. Oh, that's just us. I want to do it now a little bit. Um, it's a bit of a cussy too much money to run the AI clip machine.
Oh, that's a good. Let it go. Yes, we thought we'd end tonight and end the season of this end of the annual podcast of the graphic novel and inspired month with, let's talk about a big red fist and Nazis. Yes.
Yes. Yes. And Neil Patrick Harris is not involved in it. No.
I before we got into the film, I didn't have the tag lines. Um, 2004, this came out so 20 years old. Yeah. This was like early days of comic movies.
And he still just looks as beautiful as a word of a game I have to do. Just put that out there. So that's one is from the dark side to our side. I really like that one.
Um, give evil hell. That's good. I like that. He had to protect.
That's it. I like that. That was shit. Yeah.
Yeah. That's the thing that is. Oh, sent to destroy. Sent to destroy.
What? That's meant. I wonder if that's meant to be like, he had to protect. Sent to destroy.
I bet it had like, yeah, but it had a different character on the other poster. Like a two-ponged. Yeah, they're going to hear a hell boy one or something. Yeah.
Yeah. They did do that. They did do the standalone posters for this one. That's like the hell boy.
So that might have been the year then the hard like, I watch the called now a comment running over and over and over. Um, sound the best character. Yes. Yes.
It is. There's that's the one. Yes. Yeah.
And the last one is in the absence of light darkness prevails. Oh, right. That one. But that's almost a line in the movie.
Yeah. I know. That's actually when I walk into the actual bureau. That's in the floor.
That's what it says. That's what it says. It is their motto. Mm-hmm.
Oh, well. I think my favorite is from the dark side to our side. It's very stark and little. It's very stark.
Oh, Star Wars. Star Wars. Yes. Sorry.
I'm trying to get into the Star Wars. Star Trek mindset was as yes, they don't bring up Star Wars this week. Start the Google about starting. Talk about killing the nerds.
Oh. Well, delete the evidence. I'm going to do that. How many posts have we had to delete this?
Because of that. Jesus of Star Wars. Yeah. But yes.
I'm too slow. So I don't get to see all the action before. Jakes like delete. Gone.
Right. So yes. Hell boy. Yes.
I just said 2004 and you've hit the nail on the head. With your comments to do it with this film has aged fantastically. Like the effects wise like watching on the PhD TV to the. I was expecting to see a few cracks or see a little bit of dodgy CGI.
Very little like looked out of place. But I think hugely done to the practical effects using this movie. Which I know we are huge fans of that on this show. But Jess, what was your first experiences of the man with a giant fist?
You were just a little bit of a brack-back. I'm like, I was asking about the giant fist. Did you have stuff there that was so innocent? It's so innocent.
I am innocent. It's a huge thing. You know. I did not.
It's what I'd be in that run because there were so many movies that were coming out like this. Like them picking up all like Dark Horse stuff. Like the non-Marvel, non-DC stuff was all getting featured in films. Going right to the dark one with comic book movies.
Yeah. Not definitely. Right. It's part of me because it was well del Toro.
Yeah. Yeah. It's such a huge, huge fan. Like all the way to the little keep box out of his original old films that were just the Spanish.
Things that he'd done first were kind of into America. They just kind of sold me straight away. I was like, it's a superhero. I didn't know about the comics straight away.
I thought it was on the meeting first. It was like, it's him. It's going to be interesting. It's going to be good.
And it was. Yeah. No. It wasn't.
It was a very much a surprise. What about you, Jake? What was your first experience of the Hellboy? Yeah.
I came late to this because I definitely did not know anything about Hellboy comics. Because as far as like that has not crossed my path in anything. I don't think at all. But I think this was one of those get a random DVD for Christmas kind of jobs where it wasn't something I asked for or you know, it was to find.
But no, it's just a really good movie. Even if you don't know anything about the characters, like I think that's what shines through. It's like it's weird. It's got like its own world that it's very like, that it's got set out very nicely.
And it gives you time to sit with everyone to sort of learn what's going on. Like that's one thing I couldn't say. Like a lot of superhero films are rushed, but this one does not feel like it's rushing at all. Like it just feels like the super is like perfect.
I don't know if that's Del Toro's like influenced. I think it is. I think it is. He's piercing in movies are just perfect.
And me, I honestly think it was something I'm being introduced to. And possibly more closer to when the second one came out. Right. I probably watched that this one than the second one, because I generally can't remember when I mean Jesus Christ was 20 years ago.
Yeah. I'm trying to get about 2004. It's the year I started to work. But I met Anthony in 2007.
And that's when me, you know, me list that I had started to build up because I was like, Oh shit, you've seen nothing. I was quite excited because I was aware of the comics, but I think because Jake was asking about comics in the group. I don't think anyone mentioned any of the Hellboys, which is a bit of a surprise. I know the great thing about the Hellboy Run comics is it's not where like the Spiderman, where you have to try and get a certain thing to know what's going on with the storyline.
Each kind of like arc is like a little short run. It's like normally only like three to six issues of the story that they want to tell and to tell it like straightforward then. And I think this character and like the tones of this movie was made for the big screen, like the visuals and everything. I know the comic book wise, I am still after the first experience in Next Men of Hellboy.
It is one of the 40 grills, but every time they make a fucking Hellboy movie, the price for it goes open. It's just like, They've come down after the last one though. No, it's still, because people still want to dig again. And the more times it gets released, people still want to get the hands on it.
It's becoming more and more rare to get the hands on it now, which is annoying things. I think originally I thought, Oh, I could have got it for about 20 quid. Now I'll wait, I'll wait, I'll might come down. But now I think it's around in 1890 or even 120 quid comic now.
So, I've not put out my price friends. Camille O'Dell Toro, I love seeing his name. I wrote the screenplay with the original guy who wrote... I can't say it now.
Macnolle. That's the one, yes. Macnolle, yeah, they wrote the original screenplay for this based on Hellboy's seed of destruction, but what I found very interesting and I have it here. He was at the same time he was doing this film.
He was offered one to, he was offered him two movies and he turned down because he didn't, he wanted to concentrate on this one. First one was Alien versus Predator. Right. Okay.
And Harry Potter and the prisoner of Azkaban. So he wasn't having the money then? That's the thing, because that would have been his video. He would have got the idea with it.
You know what's weird about that? Because a lot of people would say, oh, you know, if he'd done those, he would have saved it. But then Harry Potter's seen as the best one. So, like, you know what?
He would have done so. It's an interesting alternate history to think about. Do you know why this is interesting in Azkaban? This is when you first start seeing werewolves and animals.
If Del Toro got his hands on them, he would have set everyone else up to feel. He wouldn't go on down the line because it would have looked so fucking perfect that nobody else would be able to replicate them. So he would have thought the Harry Potter franchise. So, really, at least you can find online of how many projects he's been involved in.
He never went to completion. And it's devastating when you read it, because some of the things that he could have done, he just like, no, I didn't know. So he's in, goes up another project. Like all of these would have been beautiful.
Yeah, no one brings in the next two. And he dropped a blade three. What did he ball? The scheduled one.
And I would just make it even more sad about how terrible blade three. It's like it could have been good. I think it was good. Why he didn't like handsome Dracula?
There's a dimension in the daylight. It's just that the panoranean walking around the front. Excuse me, that's the triple itch. Yeah, you have it.
That's just really triple itch as well. Yeah, I can say that's how he would have acted. He probably just asked for it and went out, take that. And when Camellio del Toro and my Mignola got together, they both had to say the actor that they wanted for Hellboy.
And it was like one, two, three go. And they both said Ron Peliman at the same time. Yeah. But the studio had another direction.
And this is where del Toro kind of put his big boy pants on and pushed the producers out of the room, pushed the studio out. Because what they wanted to do for Hellboy was completely change his origin. They wanted to do more like Hulk. So he would be a human normally and then get angry and turn into Hellboy.
And del Toro was like, oh, no, we're not. If I'm working with the guy who wrote it, we're not fucking with the original material. And del Toro can't please big pants on and went no. And then also no on the act of the studio wanted because of a Gomeron Peliman.
He was the best choice of both of them. But the studio wanted Vin Diesel. All right. Could you imagine Vin Diesel carrying that dialogue?
It's gone over the family. But yeah. At the time for a studio looking at some like Vin Diesel, because I think he had kind of paid probably a trip like maybe come out then. Yeah.
And he was like, I think we're talking a lot more from him as an actor. You can understand the studio going, I think we're going to make more money on riding off the back of him. Definitely the right choice to be a Ron Peliman. Vin Diesel is like more of an action star if you want action scenes, but like Ron Pelman's face just looks like all the way up.
Yeah. So like it's a lot less press to work to do than anyone else. I don't think it's a look. I can't see a whole attitude as well.
Yeah. It's just he does the mouth. Like you see him as Hellboy's always got that sort of like long face in the in the comics. It's like very iconic.
It's sort of sort of a conical head sort of thing. But like yeah, he does that sometimes when he's just turning around and something like that. There's Hellboy like straight out of the comics. So I was watching today.
I watched the documentary and had the first one and like all these decisions that were getting made on the characters and I loved the whole thing of the design of Ron Pelman. They went in basically went to the archives and found his face cast from Beauty and the Beast. Right on. He used that to make how he would have looked and like he looks perfect.
Well, sure. Hear me. Probably gonna say yes. And then the Miss.
He was a problem because he like that cast was done about 16 years beforehand taking back out his face which changed so much. So they all make I can completely readjust it again. Like he's coming out at that time was looking. There was so much.
It was really interesting. Go down to the archives. Get the bust. There was so much controversy about that whole thing law of them getting the bust because the bust was actually made by Rick Baker.
So because they use the bust they credited Rick Baker as a makeup artist on the film and he went and ends over it. So when we had a big record episode I was so excited because I saw the hell bobbing him come up on his credit list and Dan was like no he didn't do anything. The only thing that they did was take the busts that they used from Beauty and the Beast. Which is George RR Martin by the way.
And they cast it again. The only thing that you see of Ron Perlman's face is his actual eyelids. It's to be filled with all the others. It's to be filled with all the others.
Because normally in Hollywood and hear you hear so many shitty stories about people taking credits or like not giving credit. That's incredibly that they used and then tried to give him credit for it as well. I know he probably is way too. I want to get petered but still.
No, no, no. It seems so sweet about it because he wasn't upset like all of that. It was all of that. He didn't credit the two guys.
I think it worked for his co-op. It was Matt Rosen Chadwaters. And they didn't give the credit to the actual people who put the hard work in. They give the credit because his name was bigger than what theirs is.
And also that's not his work. Rick was very particular on like if you're going to credit this for my work and credit me for my work or if my team have been involved like it's my team that's involved in name them all. It was never someone who would sit there and go, oh, that's mine. Yeah.
And not theirs. It was he was not happy the fact that they got they didn't get the credits that they should have. Oh, that's right. It's incredible.
Megabartis. Yeah, it's nice to hear like a positive spin to that because normally as I said he could have like threw up his effits in. Oh, you've used my work. Not quite a bit of being in stuff like that.
That would have been normally the other side of the story. But regarding the actual movie itself what blows me away and again I know we are have abundance now of the superhero origin story. How the normie play out. A movie can live and die on how well they do origin stories.
Even Marvel now they even stop doing origin stories for like Spider-Man like other characters that come in. They're not showing Uncle Ben's being killed again for the 15 million time. Well, thank you. But with this, this is one of my favorite origin stories I've seen done in a movie special comic group.
It's just so well done action packed. It sets the ground for the characters involved and who are going to be the main players throughout. And it's just fucking entertainment. Like who doesn't like to see like Nazis getting shocked and shooting at like the bad guys and it took us right back to like India and then it was like the last we said it was a Nazis.
Yeah, they've all got kind of these kind of openings or endings. It's like the one that opened the arc. It's like that kind of scene when I was watching this. I was thinking to you Paul I was like oh this is like totally Spielberg style.
Like film. I was like Nazis Paul. But I'm not going to raise my hand. It was the right thing happened to the Nazis.
You know the Americans killed them all. Like I was taken a bit back by the Professor Guy's accent because I think some of the voices are very strange in this movie. And he's like upfront with that one. It's like oh it's maybe not the best foot.
But everything he says is interesting. And like I love the part where they're like sneaking up and trying not to be seen by all the creepy like Nazi guys and like the weirdest outfits you've ever seen. Like so much costume and though like there's like different like ranks of everyone. It's like it's not just like the you know all the guys in the same uniform.
I think it's that lush thing as well. They're like the perfect ones to use for something like this because of that like connection with the Nazis and their obsession over the paranormal and the scene that we're trying to unlock something like it was something more. It's always like the truth in like the lie if that makes sense because we're talking about a comic book movie where like the Nazis unfortunately were around at that time. Like it's part of world history and they were obsessed with gathering these type of artifacts.
Like I know there's still rumors is and I said in the movie that the Nazis did get this via that killed Christ. And had that in the use that in other movies as well. Like we've done Constantine the other week. The same type of reference point was used.
Yeah. I love how like I love how they frame it in this one though because they're like oh he gets it. And then he rose like to power and became unstoppable just like you know like the sort of mystery of the speed said it would happen. Yeah.
And they also play around with the whole like Hitler died in like. I love that line. I love that. I think 19 years that you died 19 for a year and the guy's stood there and even I'm sorry they're going 45.
And he's like and so you think the speed that's used is actually close very close in resemblance to the one that's in the Vatican. But it's supposedly the speaker. Right. So they did the design work on it.
But obviously I'm going to go to Del Toro's design with gold filigree is just oh it's breathtaking. It is what absolute chef's kiss what he did with them. What's the guy what's the guy called the. And with a black latex helmet to eat goggles.
Oh, see. Ronan. Oh the free. He gets called.
Yeah. He his uniform was. Oh it was spectacular. No.
I saw I know Guillermo was a big video games fan and I saw a lot of video game references in this because that guy is pretty much like Waldo from Soul Calibur. Anyone knows that right down to the like knife hands and like you know like vaguely better gear and stuff and it's like I can see him playing around with some imagery and being like ah the weird clockwork man. I know like it's probably from the comics too but like when it's like in motion it's different. It's like a signature I think to Del Toro when you get the clockwork stuff because he was an old film his cold.
Oh it's like. Ronan. It's like a vampire thing as well. Yeah.
Yeah. I just had this thing of all these inner workings and it's again it's like quite a signature thing for him. It's about always expectance. But you'll see all of this like metal work like mixed in with these like smooth kind of beautiful looking monsters.
It's very evil. It's like to look if you were to put him and Eve next to each other and the dark room. It'd be very difficult to pick out who's who because the silhouette looked very and obviously Eve with the shape of water as well. It all and I'd be like that's almost like a signature of his as well just like.
It might be why they kept them apart as well. Like you know so there wouldn't be too similar looking guys in one scene because directors do that kind of thinking as well. That's why we're all in the first one but when you look at the second one the elves they are gorgeous. I mean they're fine.
But yeah because it's a signature like design work you want to really get with like Ronald's work you'll only ever see it from him because he's going to post an execute with that beautifully. Yeah. I think he was that successful with the characters and what he produced like with like probably some budget for Hellboy wasn't as big as the budget he got for Hellboy 2 and they kind of let him just go full del Toro and just go right do whatever you want for Hellboy 2 and then he just we got the magical and wonderful all the different characters in there. But every single character in Hellboy 1 is so well rounded and looks fantastic.
Like I don't remember such a well done bad guy or evil entity like like we had from this as he said we've got the clockwork armies assassin that's when he takes his mask off. It's just absolutely it's like all these things everything's taken off and how he's like blood is turned to sand it's dried out that we use that as a response. It was so well done but then we got like Rasputin like who looks so menacing but I don't know if that's what he says and also quite sexy at the same time. It was the voice.
Yes. It was definitely the voice. He could have sweet talked me into doing absolutely anything. Yeah see I thought he was another one who had like early 2000s movie voice you know like the guys from Alien vs.
Predator where everyone's got like a big European accent that you can't really pin down like once the hunters move. Like I know it turns out I mean and I feel like it comes from people putting on weird accents and yeah I don't know as soon as Rasputin showed up I was just like that bastard from Anastasia. Yeah thank you. The story of him in real life is very interesting.
Really? What he said about him being like beaten up and like you know drowned and stuff is technically true I think. Yeah. And last podcast on the list left it a brilliant breakdown of Rasputin.
Did you want to take time with it? If you want a quick breakdown though he was kind of just a weird medicine natural heelaman and he did say the royal a couple of times. On him and it is like it comes with the weirdest kind of opening part to the book. Someone bought it for me not understanding I was talking about the Unstainthood Disney.
Maybe how much I like it. Not the weird sex priest. But that's not going to be a tefti. I'm just going to finish it.
But the author. No. He went into the autobiography just out of pure interest because there's not a lot of information on him. He's quite an unknown person in history but the old nation says when he started writing it.
Then everywhere he went he was seeing more and more stuff about Rasputin. It is this weird thing as soon as you look into him you realize he pops up everywhere. Right. And I read the logician this week.
Netflix released him doing The Last Sars. I went out of vintage shopping. There was more stuff about Rasputin. It's like freaking me out.
I was like, well he's connected to you. If you take this movie that he's there when he's hanging out with a HV Lovecraft old guard who's made of tentacles and that's why he keeps coming back. That is the whole inspiration behind this movie is HV Lovecraft. Oh, I can tell especially when the show's space early on and I'm like there's eyeballs in space.
This is just Lovecraft. And because of all the Lovecraftian stuff I've been doing on monsters I finally got it. I was like, oh yeah, I was coming to America in the corner when I got this right. Yeah, once you get in that space you kind of see how much people have just taken that whole idea and ran with it for years.
And as you said, Jake, this movie was so up my wavelength because I love anything to do with the paranormal or adventure but also mixing a bit of science as well. Because some of the gadgets and stuff that they put together on the island and it's been five years in the making. It's like fucking hell with the lamp going on with it. My electro glove is finally ready.
And I looked absolutely fantastic and he opens the pole and then, as I said, the army, the Americans decided to bomb it by Thorne Grinead. Not to study it. Let's just destroy everything that's on the American. If no, no, no, hang on.
If evil sign is the power of a machine you have to destroy the machine. Oh, absolutely. One character that I would love to talk about for a second is Evsabian. I got a chance to talk about this character a lot when we did the Doug Jones episode because it is Doug Jones behind the suit.
But it's David Hyde Pierce's voice with no credit. David Hyde Pierce would not be credited to this film because he did not want to take away the fact that the work is done by Doug Jones. So there's a run and being with Doug Jones around this time in his career where he's doing all this work. He's doing the voice work for it and then someone's getting the credit for it.
And David Hyde Pierce was the first person who said, I'm not doing it. This is his character. This is his work. I'm not being that person to take away from him.
And that's when Del Toro chan around and said, I will never allow anyone else to do that again to you. And he, the second one, Doug Jones's voice. Yeah, I was saying, why did they have a dog? Because he kind of just sounds like that anyway.
I know. He can do that voice if I want that voice. He can do it because it's a name. It's a name.
It's a name to sell the film. And David Hyde Pierce has a very distinguished voice that did, you know, it does suit it. But at the same time, Doug can do that. And that was the point.
And this is what really upset him. And this is when Del Toro said, I will literally never do this again to you. And because it's been done so many times before that it was getting to the point where Doug was like, well, what's the point? And Pan's Labyrinth.
He learned Spanish. He learned to speak Spanish to be able to deliver the voices. And it's not even him talking. And I know in some cases, he says he was really happy that the Spanish guy came in and took all because it does work for the scene.
You know, his dialogue is dialogue is a lot better. But at the same time, it was really disheartening for him. But David Hyde, it's like, I love him as Avsapiens voice. But I love the fact that he didn't take credit for it, that he appreciated the art that came from Doug.
So, talk guy like him. I think all of the performances, again, I know he can look at the hidden meanings and messages in the movie. And this one's quite big as well. The more human characters are the ones that look like the least human.
Because when we say like baby Hellboy, it's hilarious. And when we say full grown Roman Hellboy, he's still living like a teenager, silken. One of these dads approval. And his diet is just amazing.
Like all the stakes and pancakes that you can have in the world. You know, this is where he calls them Pam Kicks, which is a comics reference. It's in the subtitles. Yeah, because he like that was what he first called him when he was a kid or something.
It was like, oh, but it's in the subtitles. Ron Permall does say Pam Kicks. It's just like a soul thing. That closed me laptop now because I've got no further notes, but I was wondering that I did remember with them on their digital version of Hellboy when you first meet Evsabian and he asks them to turn the pages and you get a brief history on Ev.
If you hover your mouse down the bottom right hand corner, Hellboy comic appears and then it just gives you Evs full history. That's cool. What do you mean DVD Easter eggs? Yeah.
That was big. That was big. That was big. That was the time for the time.
That was just a QR code. Like put in a Marvel stuff, a scan that QR code. You got the free comic. Oh, I was just telling about QR codes in the minute when Marvel comics.
Back in the day it was fine. We are having like, say one of the true greats of British cinema in this movie as well, John Holmes added so much class to this role that would have been quite tacky. Because when we got it with, again, I love the EMXC in the new one, but it wasn't quite the same. And it was all a new one because I didn't want to.
I didn't want to. It was bad. I believe that. And the most, I'll tell you it's terrible at all.
So I think it's hard because John Holmes is just so iconic and like you just could not love that on screen. So it changed. Having anyone else come in and play and it's like no, no, no, no, no, no. It's hard to either be cast to me.
I was in the dark and I was watching because this thing about like him getting cast, he's not really in the comics. Like the chosen to give more to the character and just trying to wait to the screen. And he said he only took on the, we only take, well, he sorry, he would only take on roles that he knew as reading a script. This is going to do something that's going to be successful.
Like, you can see something in it. It's like, it's not my type of movie. It's like the closer I've done to this was Alien. He said, but I read this and I knew there was something in this that's going to work.
This is a good script. I'm like, that's so lovely. Like, John, how looks like a seal of approval. I was like, that's so good.
Well, that's definitely cool. Yeah. Because sometimes the big actors kind of just go in like, I'm going to say the lines really well, because I've trained to do it, but I don't really care. I did really like that the sort of intro of this character is pretty much like him getting his like super bad cancer diagnosis.
And people being like, should we tell the family? Like, doesn't have any family. And then they're like, what says he's got a son? It's like, that's kind of like, that's all you need to know about the character in like, you know, like 30 seconds, basically.
But yeah, like, it's really cool how he's got this weird. Like, like you said teenage son vibe, even though he's 60 apparently. That's it. The guy, I love the agent guy who was the guy with the hair plugs.
I thought he was absolutely brilliant. And he's explaining to the young kids, oh, he's like close to 68 year old, but he acts like he's 20 year old. And he acts like he's 12 year old. Let's be honest, because that's it.
And it's so great how Ron Perlman can beat us. He's huge. He's massive, but at the same time, be incredibly small. I think he's been petched as well when he like, she has lizzled his infactuation with lizzes.
Borde is on store, which I'm not going to lie, but still, I think it's on the sweet side, but not on the, oh, no, he's going to start drawing pictures on the murder. No, no, I always thought these relationships with lizz, it was more, he was just worried about her. And it's with the line when he says, I'll never give up on you. I literally, my bottom lip started trembling, because it's just everything she needs to hear.
He went back to the beauty and the beast ruler for that bit there. Well, technically the story of Liz and him is beauty and the beast, but it's more del Toro was looking at more the fact that she's the beast and not the other way around. She has to realize the monster in her to love the monster in front of her. And like that really weird love connection that del Toro does beautifully.
And yeah, I love that too. And then there's the whole like very comic book thing of like these people are physiologically perfect for each other because he's fireproof. Yeah, coincidence. Very comic books.
But yeah, I kind of like that we get to have like the audience surrogate, like little Quantico man, like young age and coming in. Oh, you know what I loved as well that I've never like thought of before. Like the guy on the front desk is like super creepy and kind of like omnipotent kind of way. And when he's just like, you're late.
And he's like, I'm headed to, we know, like, keep your arms up. Like, but he's like shot in this like really crazy like shadow and stuff like that. As if he's some kind of like, like a being that knows everything, but he's just like a throw away character. I thought it was a great intro.
I genuinely thought it was the guy from God, he's been in all sorts. He only passed away last year. So I mean, he was in Batman. He was in he was in the full month.
He, um, I was like, no, I know what you mean. I know it wasn't him. But that was the vibe I was getting when he came to the front desk. And I'm like, I got very much men and black vibes.
Like it was just kind of failing. Like from this point, I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's where this movie could have went.
If it went down the hall, why he bounced off the wall comedy, this would have been very much like the men in black, but it didn't it went a little bit more serious. I went a little bit darker, but the age and some he said, what absolutely perfect, my is was the perfect for it. He was like, uh, like he'd been picked because of his training and it's probably empathy more. Because I think that's what, as I said, Helba is dad.
I can't remember his name now, but it really says he's pure of heart. Full stuff. Yeah, because he was mine or whatever. Yeah.
Just his mind, but I think but, um, that was because John hurts. Kind of said, I've selected you out of 60 candidates, but it's probably more down to like the empathy that you wouldn't, like, judge or, uh, he wouldn't give up one hell boy like everyone else like that. Like the, the army man. It's all pretty much the second one you hear that.
Can't wait to say it. He sent him off to you. Yeah, he sent him off to you. He sent him off to you.
He sent him off to you. He picked him off to you. Ha ha. But that's, that's how childish and excellent Helba could be.
Yeah. And like the second we'd be like, it probably just takes place over like a weekend or something. So like, it's not as if it's like, you know, he sent the character away forever. It's always for like seven food late one day and he's like, fuck off, am I, I'm done with you for the day.
Oh, he's trying to make a pass on this again. Nope. Oh, try to take one of these cats. Do you know what I mean?
I love the fact that he's obsessed with cats. And I was like, oh, you are one of my people. I think like his like throw his throw away like jokey lines are so good as well. Like about the hair florics when he's just like, I'm thinking of getting the like, I'm worrying about that.
It's as if he's been like, it's as if he has like learned people, but he's somehow stayed immature at the same time. It's a very like back and forth character. But I really like it. So I'm sure the cat thing is supposed to be the first thing he saw when he came to the call first thing ever saw was a cat which was like, how's this like proper affinity to them?
It's like cat's like, well, he's trying to aid them like, no, I was an alien, not a demon. He's trying to get back to where he came from because I don't like them. Can't take it. I can't take it.
I can't take it. I can't take it. That was a bit of a bit. I wasn't a Panama.
Where? I can't say Panama. I said Malinois. I can't take it.
Fucking outflow. He was like butchering outflow. I need someone outflow. I've got actually, actually, it's not a cat.
Oh, no, no, I'll be a cat. Yeah, it's a little shell. It's a scared of cats. Cat sandwich.
You're a cat. Yeah, it comes with a cat sandwich. Oh, that is actually grim. You never actually got to eat a cat.
And I was like, Tom and Jerry. Yeah. Well, then please. Yeah, that's kind of a good thing.
That's something to get in the bin. Yeah. I'll get in the bin with the cheesy yellow shirt. Oh, yeah.
And, well, yeah, there was another agent there that was there for the comedy value, but he was the one that got his money. It was always in Lords of American movies. Yeah, there's always money in the bananas stand. He's great, though.
He's so good. I love when a demon runs up to him and scratches him and he goes, Hey, oh, yeah, that's pretty good. He never like drops his character. Like it's a fully formed character, getting a mic and it goes throughout the entire movie.
It's great. And it fits the movie so well. That's the thing. I think everyone that's in there, and a lot of times you get loads of comedy value, when you need this person, everyone kind of fits the purpose and didn't always stand.
And the comedy and always said the wackiness or the goofiness, it wasn't over the top. And I think that's more down to Del Toro, understanding the premise of this and being like almost like a comic group months the movie as well. It is funny in the comics, though, right? Because I've seen that panel where there's a chip with a gun and it's like, this is not a serious comic.
When everyone's like, he's got a gun. It's just like a chip like firing bullets. And you need the comedy when you do it like we had monster of the weak thing. I think the comedy fits really well.
And this fits Del Toro perfectly, especially with the monster aspects of it, because his monster design is just like them dog based, them demon dogs, unbelievably, like I've not seen a demon dog that rivals Ghostbusters. I'm not going to say for some of these things. Well done. So as much as it's sort of a review and then for me, so it's one demon and it's like a hydra thing, when you kill it, it'll span into two and then it'll keep reproducing.
It's called Samayal. There's a nighttime book out of Red of the Kids all the way through and it's about to see which is Free Nags and Ham. And when I was watching it, all I could pick up with my head was that Samayal, that Samayal, I cannot kill that Samayal. Oh my god.
Doesn't I like Free Nags and Ham? Samayal does not. I am. It's kind of the kind of hot.