Well hello and welcome to the Nerdy Up North podcast. Actually, it's a special podcast as we have getting together to do a very special episode on House of the Dragon. I totally forgot where I was there for a second. I didn't know which intro to do.
What I was doing. But yeah, we got together to do, to do, to talk about the latest season of House of the Dragon. Oh God, it's been a day and it's really hot. As you can see, if you watch on YouTube, I'm joined by Lee and Jessica and say hello, Lee and Jess.
Hello. They've made me from myself, please. Lee, you're doing fine. It's just a bit hot.
It's so hot. Well, the latest season of House of the Dragon has just finished. And we did say it on the last one that we would get together and talk about this season. And after we've gone through our group chat, I feel like we've got a lot to say.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm a bit bad, but it's going to be honest. So I feel this is the perfect time to see the disclaimer.
We can get into House of the Dragon. So everything discussed in today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, Apple Ears come and join us on the Facebook page. The Discord or even the comments section.
Well, we have no discussion, but what we want to have, especially on this one, is anyone coming for us and telling us our opinions are wrong? Because we can all agree to disagree in fandom. So let's keep it fun, keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior out of nerdism. Ta, very much.
Well said. Oh, you don't want to cause your confusion is nothing. I'm on a Sunday, like so many recordings that I do. Right.
So the way that we're going to do it is we're literally going to go episode by episode. All in agreement? See, are you? Yeah.
Yeah. Sorry. Before the first episode starts, the end of series one we're left with the devastation of Jiro. What is?
Oh, can't he remember his name? Luke? Yeah. No, no, no, no.
No, no, no. Yes. So we're left with the devastation of Luke's death and the beginning of civil war. Oh.
Was it? Well. Because, oh, Reneera, your son's been eaten by a dragon. She's like, I'm going to get them after I've spent the whole season two doing nothing.
Oh, can I just get this out this right now? I can't just do this feel like Daenerys sitting on our hands in SOS doing when fuck all waiting to go to the King's standing. Did anyone else get them get that bag from this series? Absolutely.
But it's not just her. It's everyone calls for the entire season building a ship. Yes. It only just made it into the water at the end.
Yes. Oh, he's going to build that. At least you point Daenerys sitting around doing nothing. There's other stories being told from all over Westeros.
But for this, it's just like, oh, she's doing nothing. Oh, there's Team Green doing a little bit of political strategic movement. But not much. Nope.
Oh, that's getting rich. First episode, a sun first, son. Yeah. So the first instance is we meet a character who I generally thought we were going to see more of.
And we literally see him at the beginning at the end. Craig and Stark. Because the first thing that you see in this episode is Craig and Stark. Where the fuck are the Starks?
Oh, we're going to come down. We'll help you. Where the fuck are the at? I'm sorry.
I don't want to apologize. I've got so many issues with this because it's like, they should have gone to get the toilet. We should have had separate stories all running at the same time. Like, J.S.
Way longer. So you've got the whole story of him becoming a man who follows in the North. Yeah. Instead, we've got a bunch of Ned Stark, which is really, really bad in order to relax.
Team you, Ed Stark. There's the worst example of a Northman. Like, where did they get this guy? It was definitely Team you.
Yeah. So we got Craig and Stark at the beginning, who literally promises an army. That is all we got from Craig and Stark. Yeah.
I mean, people have traveled halfway across the country plenty of times since then. So where is he? He was at the end, maybe, at the bottom of the army. See, that was where he was.
He did, though. He did make reference to something that gets brought up. And it's probably my favorite story arc of the series. And my favorite scene.
And obviously, we'll get into that when we get to that episode. But it does make reference to there is something beyond the wall that you really should be more afraid of. Yeah. And it's a tiny hint, but it's there.
It also massively contradicts itself, as well, which is really awkward. The dragons. What he says sounds really cool. The road up and even the dragons are not past the wall, but apparently.
They didn't get that metal. They just flew on over. It just kind of makes a whop. That is true.
That's right. Do you know, a lot of this, they've wrecked on quite a bit. Or imagine, or they're not wrecked on, but they corrected some things. Especially the try on the best with the Prince that was promised as far as I self.
Don't you pull this as I've got stuff to say on that one. You get to it. But they are. It doesn't feel like it's working, though.
It's like, it brings up stuff. And it's just like, really? I thought that was for me. I felt like that was the best part of the right minute.
Was the fact that they keep bringing up these are high, because that's all we fucking talked about in the beginning was the Prince that was promised. It was the Game of Thrones. That is. The only thing that pulled the face is because of how wrong it went in Game of Thrones.
Right. That is totally understandable. Totally understandable. It's true.
I mean, I don't like the guy, but Stannis. At least he had like, yeah. OK, yes. Thanks, Stannis.
But yeah, at least he had some conviction about him to be like, yeah, fuck me. I'm born of salt and small guy. I'm the Prince that was promised. They're just when Stannis went, that seemed to go along with it.
They had the dagger at the end. They had John, who clearly is, could potentially, and know what the series has done is kind of give you a hint that Daenerys. But it makes sense with John. If he is part Targaryen, part star, he is literally a song of ice and fire.
Yeah. And they had him standing behind a wall, hiding from a dragon, while it was all booting off for the Knights King. It makes no god damn sad. They literally, they saw every theory and went, we'll fuck that off.
We'll fuck that one off. And we'll fuck that one off too. I tell you what, I've had this more before. When you're watching this, watching it through now, TV.
Herrton pops up as an advert all the time, promoting a Game of Thrones mobile game. No, what's up? What he's being reduced to? Like, a couple of your cellists did to run.
It's just been off cancel and it's like, you can come up a mobile game. It's been some of these cameras did to run. Bless him. I haven't seen him since.
Oh gosh. He had this whole, he's going to be doing it. It's been off with John Snow's series, taking away from him. He's been off in Marvel, taking away from him.
He's just, oh, he's just, he's having a name. Look, it's John Snow. Well, this goes back and he's fucking cave. So we finally see Renira find it.
She got, no, she'd already found out at the end of the first series. But now we'd say she's in her morning. Fairs. Yeah.
Yeah. She's just sounding on a cliff and rolling the beach. She's just lost man. To be honest, this is, open to a certain point, the writing started to feel a bit lazy.
This didn't, it kind of like, it kind of like, give a really good depiction of grief. Because she, what normally would you want to be on your own? And she needs to figure it out. And she needs to know he's dead.
There's no body, there's no nothing. There's no confirmation that her son's dead. Just of what's being said. And the scene on the beach when she finds, the stuff was this in this episode.
Did this wrap all this up in this episode? Yeah. So, there's a really great bit from Rene, especially if you don't have to explain it to Damon, because like, what she'd do it. And it's like, we're trying to sort stuff out, and she's just disappeared on us.
And she says, when Lina died, I got the message by Raven, it's like, fill her soul, her body. It didn't set in for me that she was gone. And so she needs to do the same. She needs to physically see it.
Yeah. In terms of the fact that he's gone. Yeah. And then he said that brilliant line to her, where he was like, you could have stopped this all.
And she was like, well, I would have if you were my king kind of being, but one of it. I'm sorry, but the MVP for this whole series goes to Rene's Targaryen. Yes. Completely.
Everything went fucking downhill after that episode. Actually, and I called my whole night one downhill after that episode. Cried for ages. But it was them, Syrax's scream when she found his stuff.
And obviously, I think Syrax, I think Luke's dragon, that Syrax's child or something or mother or something. I'm sure I did read this before. I'm sure it is a case of, I think, the boys dragons are from a clutch that came from Syrax. So much as we're seeing in the deck of like seeing the fucking grenades.
So Syrax at the same time, seeing the remains of like one of Tyler children. Yeah. It's making more political, because Syrax just looks like a little Labrador. He's like, oh no, I'm not making it sad.
Oh, no. I'm trying to think of what else happened in this episode. Because they've got the high towers at all. I can't believe I really enjoyed Otto's performance.
I love how the whole high tower, I'm team green. I'm fully team green now. Now. I wasn't in season one.
Season one, it was fully black. This season is just, it's since the blood and cheese incident. Christ. That's next.
Oh god, I forgot about that. I was in this episode as well, wasn't it? Was it this one? Yeah.
Was it this one? Actually, it was the first episode in. Oh, I've actually tried to scratch that from my memory. Yeah.
Okay, shall we just do it and get it out of the way? There's other bits before, hun. Okay. Go on.
I've got no spoilers. I didn't want to mention anything down before. It's wild because there are things like when it first cuts back to King's Landing, you see that they're all armored up now, they know what they've done and they know that we're going to be making a move. They have the whole city defences and stuff and they'll start freaking out.
It's like the dragon. It's like the cults of Veyvar. The guys were coming back. But the city defences have never changed.
It's wild. It's been like 140 years and no one thought it upgraded anything. It's still the bare basics. Like there is no progression.
How many people has walked into King's Landing and out of King's Landing and messages being spread amongst King's Landing and fuck all was done about it? I feel the security is very lacking in King's Landing. I mean the fact that in this episode, Damon walks into King's Landing and goes up to a garden and he's like, hi mate, how are you doing? But they are still very loyal to him.
Like how they were in the first series. They were his men and they pledged a vow and some honourable nights and some keep vows. And Damon obviously has a hand in things. But I'm trying to remember what happened with Alison.
Does she try? Because Alison's arc in this series has been weird. Really really weird. Does she try to convince Otto to not go into all our war?
Yeah, she says to be gentle about it or something like that. Jessica. There is a bit more. I want to apologise.
What for her dead son? And then she's out there and trying to look at me. He did this. There's a lot of in the first episode between her and Otto this back and forth that they've got a greater plan.
But do they have the same plan? In them ruling instead of Aegon? Yes. And I think there is a direct line where they start talking and Otto actually says, like are you against me?
It's like, I don't know. Are we on the same level here? It's like, well, the level is we rule. It's like, we're on that level.
Yeah. They seem to concentrate on one of the boys and not as much on the other who is actually the problem, who does need to him and in control of them. And I really feel that that's there too. Downfall is Aegon.
Not just that. They need to listen to the Leena as well. Oh, of course. They're telling them like, oh, this is going to happen.
We will get into Helena. She has been such a, she is probably the most interesting character in this whole thing. And I love the fact that Renira knows how much of a sweet girl she is. She knows it out of any one of them.
She knows exactly where Helena stands. Yeah. Because she doesn't, she doesn't change. And it's probably, I don't even want to make the testament to Alison because that's Alison's, her boys are a result of how Alison actually is.
I don't know how Helena has turned out the way that she has. I think. I know there is a bit interesting. Season one Alison says to Helena, she never knew how to handle her.
Like she was always a difficult trial and a strange trial. Like she's tried to do her best with her, but can't really understand her. Right. That's all based on because they designed Helena to be a dreamer and they don't understand what the Green's haven't got to clear about Targaryen history really.
No, they don't understand that there's a dreamer amongst them and the boys have never been taught properly what that is. Yeah. But that's the difference between the Greens and the Blacks. So the Greens don't have any clue like you see, but Renira possibly doesn't know.
But that's what she does throughout the whole series is read through her history, which is exactly what we got all series is reading through her history. And because it's when so there's loads of little moments in the scene with Alison and Helena where the foreshadowing of what is about to happen is gonna gonna gonna happen. And something a lot. What does Helena actually say in that something because she watches something.
He comes in to ask where. She's a terrorist is because he wants to take into the small council. But he turns up point has a knee about how jahara says he's air and he needs to be among things. Well, tell them not to serve him.
He's in the library. And then he kind of just gets in a face of just kind of like where is he like I've got time for this. And she then turns and she's like I'm afraid. And it's like what are you afraid of?
It's like the rats. And he's looking round and they all the handmaids are looking like there are no rats. It's like there's a funny one isn't she and just sort of leaves. Obviously it's the full-time she knew what was coming.
The rat. Also of the cradle as well that we'll put in the head of the cradle on jahara says bed back on. So yeah, a lot of foreshadowing in that. And she mutters something as Aegon walks in as well.
And I can't remember what it was. I remember saying it to someone. Did you hear what she said? I can't remember what she actually said.
And Damon does manage to sneak his way into Kingsland. It's going to have to talk about it. It's going to have to happen. That small council means great as well.
With the kids and Aegon just reducing a Lannister to a child's clear thing. That's so embarrassing. It's actually known the standard of the Lannisters in the future. Yes.
It really fucked me off as it was. It was quite over the fall. It's a big thing. It's a big thing.
It's a big thing. It's a big thing. It's like a kid. It's like a shop.
It's mine. Not yours. It's like a real lord. I can't remember.
I can't imagine that small council means having that happen. But remove that Lannister and put Tywin in that list. What are you saying? What are you saying for it?
No, I mean, that kid would probably be killing in another different way. But yeah. But nobody's brother. What's his name?
Oh gosh, Tyland is a twin. And you actually get to see his identical twin brother, who is the complete fucking, but he is a Lannister. He is very much like a descendant when he's not. In the first season, he's the guy at Aegon's name day.
The officer himself, he's a Yes, I'll cast Lee rock. They can raise dragons. Why do you have dragons? Why do you have dragons?
And then it's the other brother is the one on the council. So the one we've come back to is the guy from season one. Makes so much sense. I didn't know.
I must have missed something. Missed them. Oh, that's actually the identical twin brothers. I was thinking he's not the same person that we saw in season one.
He was a dick. And then it's really isn't the same person. It is a completely different person. I hated that saying as a proud Lannister lion.
I hated watching a Lannister being reduced to that. It was fun though. It was fun because that ball means nothing. Absolutely nothing.
And he made such a big deal about the fact that this kid was judging it. Just went to the next part where we get to talk about twins as well. That's going to be fun. Oh, God.
I bet I'm crying to that. I'm going to be a fucking miracle. Yeah. So Damon meets up with one of his old mates and is like, hey, kind of needed to take because it's a man.
That's who the going for. That's who he initially says. But we don't hear what. What Damon says afterwards to like, well, if I don't find him and what then we don't hear Damon's reply.
So we generally don't know what that message is that eventually gets to the rat capture. And yes, because we get again, like season one about the whole. I don't see as he calls. For a day, but you never heard him actually say it.
It's one of those things where it's always stuff that's left open and like, you kind of know he would, but did he really? Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to.
If it's demon at the end of season two, I'm definitely know because he's a change man at that point, but at the beginning and it's anger. There's rage. You know, it's it's his steps on slash nephew. No.
Steps on slash. What is he doing? He's just trying to work out family trees everyone. Oh, how does it work?
He is definitely steps on for near his niece as well as his mrs. So maybe like nephew wants to remove. That's a thing. I think it's all difficult.
You made it so difficult, didn't you, by Marion? Who also, she had fucking kids with him and then she said kids with Lars, what's he's not Lars? Oh, gosh. He's a good guy.
He's been interested in the series mind. I've had a bit of a, a bit of a think about that character and these family as well. And so we get to meet the infamous blood and cheese. Yeah, I don't like this.
No. And they go looking for Eamon in the in Eamon's room, which you had seen earlier talking to Chris B. Call about whatever them two were weird. You're gonna get that.
They're planning the battle of Ruts rest. That's right. The setting stuff up that like if you can call them out and hide, it's you know, it's the only time you actually see a freaking battle ban put together, which is something that irks me about this series. It's like all the good stuff again, the throwings of the plans, they're getting ready for war actually seeing a balloon battle because we've not seen one yet.
It's always like it's just happened. Yeah, they are planning out like essentially like the proper strategy that they've now been following through the series. Chris B. Call knew that like everyone's in the house.
Otto is too falsetited and things. They know what they need to do. I don't blame them either because if it was down to Otto, because let's be honest, it is. Or open to this point, he is literally running the show.
If it's up to him, he would drag this out as long as he possibly could. At least the imminent Chris B. Call know that the inevitable is going to happen. And this is the room that they've lit and cheese walk into.
And the map and their war pieces that they were using that look like to be solid gold. Like gold. Using curtains of the people's and types because I know there's a bit of I think it's in the next episode, but it's a bit where the human picks one up and he like holds it whereas I would be looking at it kind of like what happened. You know, someone, he knew someone had been in there because things had been moved and they obviously they took them.
He's not there. So do they have a conversation where it's like, I can't remember how they get to Helena and make that decision. I cannot remember. There's a whole thing that the getting, it's supposed to be the rat ketchup cheese, it's supposed to know his way around.
He's never got that high before in like the royal sort of area of things. So he doesn't actually know which ring to go do. And I'm like, okay, that's what you're here for. So they start going into a room until I think there's a point you only bring to come across someone is to go to Helena.
Helena with her two babies, Jairus and Jairus. Jairus, I know we said that this the last time. He's fucking corona. I hear them people.
Yeah, it's going to happen. Isn't it? And she, does she get, so I know it's very different and this really upsets a lot of book readers and I know he said we weren't going to go into a book and think about it. There is a big difference in how this is executed, how it was executed in the book because she was made to choose.
It's way worse than that. There's so much more. Yeah. So she was in.
So I got up there. After that, so I aired and people were wondering that it wasn't doing exactly like you've got to be a special kind of person to want to see that on screen. So you don't want to see that on screen. No, you really don't.
In the book, Helena is given a choice and she chooses and they kill the opposite baby and they remind that child you, the weren't babies, they were quite a bit older and they remind the child you were your mother picked you and it that possibly kills Helena more than the death of our child. This one it was done very differently. Yeah, I mean it's because they haven't made laws not in a series. No.
And I really hope they're not going to suddenly pop mailering because much later on what happens mailers are so much worse. It's awful. Yeah, I read the edge because we're trying to work out actually, whatever happened to that one then it's like oh that happened. Yeah, because you had in the book there's three babies in the room, like there's three of our children in the room.
But in this one, the gopher boy, I'm so glad I didn't get anything. Nothing to lie and the noises were bad enough. I was holding that. That traumatised me that noise is there.
It was it was the fact that the lesser who she who plays Helena and what's on him? I can't say it actually is a phia seven. P-H-I-E? I don't know how to pronounce that.
It's called a Helena. And yeah, the actress who plays her oh in that moment, the silence because everyone was saying why didn't she scream out and they say she's in shock. That's she's terrified. She's in shock.
What would you do? Like, like, literally what would you do? Because I wouldn't be like, she might not be racing here. Like, because obviously I have identical twins.
You do. Or identical twin girls. And obviously they're, they're the only girl I couldn't really do identical. But there's no one to be so identical to each other.
You wouldn't be able to tell who was who. But that logic of like, happened to Hic, which one. Yeah. And hoping that's all they're going to do is just take one, not both.
Even the conversation that's had where like the only in our room was just telling the truth or not of like, is it that one or the other one. And the pondering between each other until I think it's she's the rat cat who's like, no, she's telling the truth. She that's legit. Like, that's the point.
Yeah. It's just finding out. Oh, God. Yeah.
And Helena does probably the only thing that she knows to do is she picks up the living child and she runs for it. And she runs into the bedroom of her mother, who is banging crispy coal. Dirty bastards. Hypocritical bastards.
Is what you find out in this whole, this first episode is the fact that then two have absolutely hated Renea Targaryen for all of the shit that she's done between the two of them. And the Norfolk indifferent, the Norfolk and better than what she is. Hypocritical dirty guests. And so there is something, the run that Helena does when she's got hold of her hero.
And what's the second moment I thought she was actually going to suffocate her, how tight she was holding when she was running. He became like an emperor. But she makes the run that Renea had to walk Renea redid when she had joffrey. Oh, that's right.
She takes the exact same path like that. She pelt it down the stairs and stuff to get to Alison. So we had mirror scene of like kind of what you put Renea with three. Now, kind of take your way around.
Yeah. So that episode ends and we go into the next one, which is Renea the cruel. And the greens. Oh, good God.
What were they thinking? They are going to use the death of Chahras to basically propaganda that Renea is a bitch. A big massive bitch. And they're going to spread.
That's a good plan. We shouldn't have done it because it's like this this wallboard. It worked. Yeah.
And this is where Otto makes the suggestion that maybe we should have a public funeral. Maybe we shouldn't. Is what I'm going to just put out there. Not the way that you used it anyway.
My God. I have never felt so nervous watching that. That's the idea. Everyone had the same thing.
Thought when it took the cart stop, like it was going to roll off. That kid's head's not staying on his shoulders, is it? They didn't even go forth over it. They literally showed it.
And it is a point that they were making was that this is what your supposed of queen would do. She would murder a baby and they don't even bring up the fact that her kid got killed either. It is very much a slander trait of the greens to bring Renea's name to hertah, basically. When from Renea's side, she's absolutely devastated by this news, especially for the family.
Around the table moment when it's brought to them, what's being said? What's happened? We wouldn't have done that. It's really just looking at Damon.
And it's when Renea returns round and then she goes, oh, you didn't. I was like, what's that Damon? Oh, you didn't. She knew.
She knew instantly. The minute Renea gives look, the table falls silent. Renea knew Damon had something to do with it. Yeah.
Like, what's over there? Oh, dragon. So, yeah, Renea is like, this is where Mami and Daddy have a huge wall in out. And she asked the question, which she's probably been meaning to ask for a long time is, do you see me as your queen?
Really long pause in his reply. Yeah. He doesn't. And this is Damon's whole arc throughout this series is that he doesn't say Renea as his queen because she stole the crown from him.
In Damon's eyes, he believes that he should have been, and to be honest, it probably would have made more sense if it was Damon because of the whole meal being, but that's not where Viseras was going. Do I even think Damon saw his brother as king? I didn't do anything he thought of him. No.
No, I think really, I think I've seen some stuff about people's views on it. Like, oh, David doesn't care for any one or another. I don't think that's true. I think there is certain characters.
He did care for Viseras, but he knew that he was weak. Yeah. Something like this would happen eventually. Like, it's going wrong and he was not the man to fix it.
But Damon is very pickheaded and thinks he could fix anything. Yeah. And he's much of the all of them. And because Viseras is such a kind-natured person, I feel like Damon felt like he had to step up and be the cruel one and make the hard decisions.
And it probably has happened in the past where he has had to make hard decisions because Viseras wouldn't, but he's carried that his whole entire life. It gets broken down so much in this series. But for now, Damon's like, all right, I'm going to go and take Harrenhal. Because that seems sensible.
He's going to do that. He flies off on him. Right. He gets the right.
Well, what was it? Caraxes. Am I saying that right? And then we see Crispy Call being a dick to one of the twins.
Right. I'm going to get this right. The twin who is with the greens is Don't Tellers, Don't Tellers, Eric. Yes.
The queen who is with, the twin who is with Reneera is Eric Eric Eric Eric Eric. Yes. Okay. So Crispy Call has a conversation with Eric where he pretty much blames him for the whole thing.
Pretty much like you did this. This is your fault. And it's when he finally stands up for himself and goes, because he's berated and saying, where were you? And he's like, well, where were you?
And that's that's what gets Crispy Call up in arms. And it's like, right, well, you're going to go in and repose by getting onto a dragonstone and pretending to be your brother and take the bitch queen out in the war. Do your duty. And as he is honorable as his brother is, he actually does it.
There's such good people as well, man. Such good people. They really are, especially the end. And it just it proved their current, it proved their relationship, their love for each other.
It was still very strong because of what happened at the end wouldn't have happened if it wasn't. And and this is where we also get what's our name, the one who ends up canceling and Messiah. Yeah, Messiah. Messiah who Reneera has kind of so she was held captive by Reneera to where Reneera finally met the white worm.
That's it where Reneera finally talked to her and was like, oh, maybe I can use her as an advantage. Maybe maybe not. She was where did she send her? They've very much done with her this season that she's kind of turned into, why does names get me?
Nails. No, I give her one's ball guy. Varys. Varys.
Yeah, Varys. You're going laris, it's not laris. Very given. But the same sort of thing because obviously a wording is she's like, you know, you stuck to your word, you let me go.
And now actually maybe you're the decent person. Like when there's a kind of like eye work in the rights to the people. Yeah, she is very. Yeah, she's like the union member, isn't she?
She is the people's people. But in this instance, on this occasion is when she's in prison and Reneera lets her go because this is her going, leaving Dragonstone and noticing the other twin walking up. What she did with that information? I'm not 100% sure.
She just said she told the guards, but they didn't listen. Right. Reneera says it's like you did come and tell them. Like I know that you just like kind of sent the word out.
Yeah, that's right. When you didn't, we need to, she could have just left. I mean like, well, that's their problem. And that's where the kind of...
That's what we're called. Eric, if anyone, was sorry someone that runs in and maybe she saw Eric and was like, oh shit, I better go and check something up. And random find direct as if he was still at his thoughts or whatever. Well, I think it's like she is that, but like with the white word, she knows everything.
So she was seeing those twins for a long time and very quickly gone like, you know, they'll be something that like a mannerism would have been wrong. I've just kind of like that, but I'm gonna say that's not Eric. That's the other one. So exactly what Otto and then would have done if he buys something like that.
She knows them all way too well. Plus, he didn't even acknowledge her as he walked past her. And considering it was with Reneera to let her go. That's true.
It should have at least went R-8 if Jenny's have a nice time or whatever. Pachan now. See you later. And so Eric burst into Reneera's chambers.
Who, if anyone didn't notice, costume eyes, Reneera is wearing blue, which is for her tully roots, which I thought was a tully, am I right? Yes, because she sent some there, doesn't she? Uh, well, Aaron. She's Aaron.
Was Anna Aaron? That's right. Sorry. No, thank you.
I was like, and all there was some significance to the dress, but I was like, I can't remember if it's tully or they're out in the same areas. They live in the same places. Aaron still used blue quite a lot as well. And most of their costumes were stunning blue.
Oh, I wasn't far off. Same area. Yeah, so she, Eric busts in the room, which confuses the life out of, because these brothers, like, they are ridiculously, they look exactly the same. And know their identical twins.
I know it's such a stupid statement to say. But with some twins, you can see. I want to use this one as an example. Nikki and Rebella, identical twins.
I can definitely tell who's who though. Yes. I can't with them too. They were sort.
And one of them started out in, well, actually the both started out in shameless because of the way young actors and young actors, they do tend to ask for identical twins. So they can swap and change them out. They actually did this in, sorry, I said I wasn't bringing any facts, but I know they did this in this series as well. Because one of them got really sick with Corvid.
So they just brought the other one into film his scenes. So quite useful for them. And would this fight, because obviously Eric, Eric, Eric, Eric, Eric walks in and it just boots off. It just epically boots right off.
This was a fight of all fights. This was not cat scratches or hair pull and this was brutal. And they mirrored each other so much in this fight. It's a reason how easily they went to serve in honour of each side and nothing.
Like these of them held back at all to be like, oh, this is me brother who I love. They just went all out. This has been a problem with this season. It's the first four episodes are massively rushed.
They just like jumping through plot one. So much happened. They've stopped dead from episode four on the boat. If you're with twins, it's like, because they didn't really spend a lot of time with the twins.
No. So you don't get all their back story. If they are completely those devout guys of like, we are Kingsguard. This is what we are.
We will always be. They're so honourable, the pair of them. So it's been on the opposing sides. It's hard because obviously you have to fight your own brother, but you'd go against your while you eat.
If you didn't. And they are so devoutly loyal to the end. There was a lot of them. Oh, absolutely.
There was a lot of merrow in the fight. So if one in one player, the other would hurt the other and the same players, the next time, it was so beautifully choreographed that fight scene to watch them because they know each other's tactics. So they know it's almost like they're just fighting a mirror. It was seamless and beautiful.
And Eric gets the upper hand on Eric and kills his brother. And as Gosh, when he walks up to Renira, and I can't remember what he says, something like my queen or something, and he apologizes. Not quite literally falls on his sword. Yeah.
He has to. I know. There's no way she would be able to tell. Is this the real one?
Yeah. And then always be that suspicion. What's honourable thing he can do in his mind, his character. I think it's definitely the honour on a death because obviously he take the guilt of that his brother did that.
But I think it's probably the blind thing as well. It's like, would you really want to continue living without your brother when that close wins? I know there were one opposite sides, but the new guy was still there. As long as they're there, then it's okay.
But I think Lee's logic is really good with the... She would never know. She would never be able to trust. I didn't even think of that aspect of it.
I just saw the brother side of it. But yeah, she would never know that... Gosh. It's fucking horrible.
No one's ever going to leave my lawn with that. Just in case. No. It just ruins everything.
You ruined everything. Goddamn it. So, while this is... I don't know if this is before or after, but Egon does find blood and cheese.
That is such a horrible name, by the way, them too. It's just horrible. I've heard it mentioned so many times before. I actually saw this and I was like, who the fuck came up with blood and cheese?
Really? Yeah, so he finds them. He's fucking pissed. He is so angry throughout this whole episode that he ends up taking it out on them.
I kill them. And then by killing all the rat catches and hanging them outside of the castle walls. Not the best move. Not the greatest move.
But this is also the moment where I not only felt sorry for auto-high tower, but actually was like cheering for auto-high tower. It's a conversation where Chris B. Call, Egon and Auto, where Auto basically lays it all out for him. Because I think Alison has already done it to where, because he's crying his eyes out and she's like, you just need to be a puppet.
You just need to... You need to shut the fuck up and just do, as we tell you, and Auto confirms that all in this conversation, where he's like, you can really... It's a very much a time and moment. You know, and time when does the whole sends Joffrey to bed?
It's very much one of them moments, but he's actually telling them to his face. You mean nothing. The crown is not yours. And I don't think it went the way Auto intended, or did it?
So, I mean, I find it really sad as well, because I know they tried in the first episode to show that Egon could have been decent. Yeah. Because when he holds the council, sorry, he's caught. He tried so hard.
Yeah, let's give him the money back. Yeah, let's give him the ticket. We can't do that. Like, oh, right.
Why not? Sorry guys. It's his clueless mentality of why not. Like, I'm king.