So alive. Hi everyone and welcome to the show. You've got to cross the place. Welcome to the name of not quite because it's not quite as close to buying all the nerds.
I am. And I am the other host Paul. And last week was a bit fun. Wasn't it?
I kind of just handed over the reins to the background. I'm just laughing. I do that again soon. Just give me something.
I don't know if I'm losing you now. I mean, all the age. But yes, tonight we are joined by a very special guest. We know we haven't flown over from the States, but I think.
Not quite yet. No, we're trying to work this out. I believe it's our third or fourth American that we've had on the New York, North. I believe because only the two I can think of as Holly and Taffeta.
So you are. So we'll see you are our third American that we've had on the New York, North. So we've got the lovely Jill who. Keeps us positive and happy in the discord.
I would share. She's always like full of nice comments. I don't think you've ever said anything mean anything yet yet. It'd be nice to leave, which is always quite surprising.
So tell us about yourself, Jill. Tell us about getting to nerdy credentials. Oh, all right. So I am when I think of nerdy, I think mostly like I'm Trek.
So I watched a lot of that, not all of it, but a lot of it. Thank you. And I'm in a role playing game where with a lot of the other words, Becca, I'm in obsidian fleet where we write our, we write what our characters are doing. And I've done that not with obsidian fleet, but our game has actually gone on for 23 years now, which is, yeah, yeah.
So it's been a lot of fun. And our game joined in with obsidian fleet because we needed a home. So it's, it's been, it's been good sailing since we got in with them, but I like other, a number of other sci-fi series I geek out about astronomy. I consider myself an anglophile.
I love learning anything about Britain, especially historically. So we just have to come to be fourth. Yeah. I love you.
But there it is, but it's, I like it. And more importantly, she is one of the sour seed crew. She Jill briefed. The horrible sweets.
So they'll back for that. And she posted on Instagram as well, which was hilarious because you hope he didn't follow the script with that one. Did he? No, to be fair, he's not, he's not paying attention to these kinds of things as I am.
So like he just had no idea. And I was about ready to like explain what we were doing. And I was going to name drop nerdy up north and everything. And then like I look over and he's just popped it in his mouth and I'm like, wait a minute.
And then like every time I watch it, it makes me crack up laughing because the look on his face as it just kind of sinks in is just it's just classic. I love it. It was very slapstick comedy. And I think the best line came up.
I thought candy was meant to be fun. Yes. Yes. He really kind of stole the show on that one.
It was good. It all worked on well. But yes. And we are here tonight to discuss because I think when we mentioned this on a podcast many moons ago that we were thinking about doing these two characters.
Jill was instantly in my DM scene. Oh, please, please, please, please, please, please, please. Can I talk about Blorland Harvey with you? I was like, yes, yes, yes, you can.
Because that was probably the biggest surprise because I don't believe like normally we say we're going to do a film, TV show or certain thing and get a little bit of a reaction. And I thought, Oh, talk about Lauren Hardy. The reaction I was expecting from people was who, what, who are they? And it was nice that it was like, yes, we're hitting our target audience already.
So that's always a good sign. So, Sammy, do you want to hit the disclaimer? Just before I don't think we're going to need any big two controversial in this episode, but still it's always nice to have. Just in case.
Because this is how classy classy bits are. So, here we go. So it is our opinions and opinions along. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, I believe you've come and join us in the Facebook group.
You can join us in the discord or the comments section. We haven't had an observation. But we won't have. Is anyone coming from the South?
I don't know. We can all agree to disagree and fandom. So let's keep it fun. Keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior.
Oh, of notism. Well said. And is that a tagline to this movie? Absolutely not.
To be fair. Absolutely not taglines, not even because you know what other ones that we've done like the Mars brothers and some like it hot. The taglines came from newspapers and such like that and nothing absolutely nothing. Right.
Interesting. So when we picked this, because I said we're going to do a Laurel and harder movie and there was quite an abundance to kind of choose from. So I did a search and I spoke to me that as well. Now, and it's interesting because we had a conversation before it was hard to try and stay for the conversations we had live before we went live.
And I was like, well, as soon as we started talking, it led into one thing and led into the other, which was quite fun. This like isn't me dad's favorite to Laurel and harder movie. And Jill, you said this isn't your favorite Laurel and harder movie, but I thought the premise when I've read the story, because I've seen some lower body, but I hadn't watched this one before I was like, I'm going to give this one a go. And a few of the clips I watched, it had me and Kings.
That was the reason I chose it, but I'm interested in all with you saying that, which is your favorite. Jill. Well, it's very hard to choose a favorite and I'll be honest, it's been a long time since I've watched any of them, but the ones that seem that come to mind when I look through the titles, Toad in the hole is one that I really like. I mean, it's all slapstick, but just some of the things Stan has got his head stuck behind a pipe and he's just the heads moving up and down.
It's like between a pipe and a wall. And it's like somehow he's got himself back there, but he can't get himself out. And I think he's got a black eye or two as well or something like that. And but and any of them stands facial expressions just do me in.
Yes. Babes in Toy Land is another one done before the Disney version. Yes. And just just some some classic great stuff in there.
And the music box is another favorite. It's a short so it's only like 20 minutes long if that, but they're trying to move a large, I believe, piano into a like a third floor apartment or something like and it's just trying to get it up a hill up the stairs. Eventually they're pulling it up with pulleys and and it's just chaotic hilarity hilarity. And it's weird when you think about this movie came out in 1937.
Like take that in. This is almost a hundred years. It's not far from a hundred years now. This movie came out.
And the humor in it. Yes, the storyline. It's it's what you're expects, but it's still more complicated and interesting than a lot of like the slapstick or the like the comedy shows that you saw at the time. And not to steal what Sammy said before because it was one of the things I did want to mention.
Lower than Hardy, people think of just as like a comedy duo. They have had to evolve and change so many different times from when they started out. They were in like the silent movie industry going into like the shorts where they had like the cinema, you know, the little cinema breaks where in between like the motion picture where you used to have like a little like cliffhanger. You still like a lot of the hardy short I used to fit in there.
And then they moved into like the grandest games where they've done feature films like films where like as I said, the one that we talked about we are West, which I think that's the first time I mentioned the title so I do apologize. But it's so interesting to see them change and the not just a comedy duo as we find out when we're watching this movie. The sort of like as actors performers as singers, like, and at an all other time if you had to be in show business, you literally had to be do everything. You had to be like tick the box for everything otherwise you wouldn't work.
And I don't want to get the credit for that aspect because when they're singing this movie as well, their voices are so good. They work so well together and they get 106 films in total from 1921 to 1951 34 and silent films 45 shorts and 27 full length films. In that time and two very different upbringing. Yes, the stand laurel comes from the other family actually owned one of the northeast of England and when Oliver is a bit more interesting, he comes from the south and he comes from military.
It's a very, very different upbringing to the legs of standalone and it's kind of he saw he was he was actually willing to go in work. So this is the difference between the two. Dan comes to America with the Fred Coe, I've been reading about him all day now I've forgotten his name the Fred Charlie Chaplin. It was Charlie Chaplin but it wasn't his troop.
It was Fred, what's his name Fred, Fred Carnall, Fred Carnall troop, which does have Charlie Chaplin in Stan was actually his understudy for a really long time. And he's actually the customers and impersonator at one point to Chaplin impersonator between the two of them, but he his career goes far and beyond Chaplin. Stan comes to America, all he is in America, all he is ready to sign a World War one because of his weight and his health he actually gets declined. Stan stays in America, so that doesn't happen to him.
That's the difference between the two of them. It's almost like two of them. What's the matter? They don't want to take all kind of things.
If you wanted to go back to the history as well, again I didn't want to do too many facts and all Sami is the fat queen. Stan Laurel was born in Kumbria. He was brought up in North timeside, so North East history, they've actually was brought up in the North East where we're from. So that's why I'm surprised he doesn't talk with the North East one, which I'm a little bit disappointed.
And did you know that Laurel and Hardy performed twice at the Sunland Empire? In 1952, in 1954. So we were graced with the legend that he worked. And apparently Stan Laurel has always had a great affection and great love of the North East because any time he would try new acts or new routines, he would try and perform it.
He first got a little tour just to see how it goes across, because apparently we were his people. Shall we say? I read that one point his education included Gainesford Academy, which is outside of Darlington. No, that's relatively close to you guys.
So I didn't know. Either he was familiar with it. Do I write a crystal in the car or a horse and carriage and come and add a pint and something anytime. So is Gainford still around or is that?
I don't think so. Yeah. But you don't know, don't eat them very well. It's not.
Well, I'm not going to start slugging off down and it's normal. It's better than Middle's. But it's just interesting. These Hollywood greats and legends and the back story, you can kind of war it or see where they come from.
And it's nice to have a little bit of local connection to them as well. So I can see why my dad has such a great affection to it. Now, this is me being brought up, not like well, dragged up by my parents and grandparents, like watching the Marci brothers. So that humor is just ingrained in me.
And I love it. And that always kind of stares with me. And I will always try and promote this type of humor, this type of jokes and this type of comedy as well. Because when you're watching this movie, it's like people think I was in 1937 movie.
It's black and white. It's what's so special about it. And I dare anyone to watch this movie and not laugh or not even smile while you're watching this movie because it's ridiculous at times. But the timing, the comedy timing, even the grits now cannot even touch this for like how well and like the little jokes that they do.
And it's kind of like, oh, we're going to do this bit now. You're not going to get the punch line now. You'll get the punch line five or ten minutes later. And it's just so perfectly worked out and for them to do it back then.
It blows my mind that they knew and how this worked so well. Yeah, it's the time and other two of them is perfect but it's also called back to jokes as well as a big one in this, especially in the war. It happens at the beginning, happens at the end and it just, it actually, I didn't laugh the first time, but I did certainly laugh the second time. But it happens.
So, rather important, like the film, like in general, because the plot is basically just, it's amazing. But it's fun. But what bit in this movie made you laugh the most? I'm going to ask Jill, because I know I rewound and watched it a number of times again just how stupid and funny it was like a bit for me.
I think, gosh, it's hard to choose one, but I'm going to say the scene where they're running around with the deed chasing each other and like just in the chasing itself, but then when. Oh, what's her name, the female Lola. Lola, when she gets ahold of Stan and starts tickling him and he just uncontrollable giggle fits and like so much so that he just hands the D back over. Yeah, that's one of my favorite, favorite parts, I think.
It's just the sheer joy. The sheer joy and stands for us. Like, if she wasn't really tickling them, I don't know what she was doing, but it was absolutely various. You do not see her though, they couldn't hide the fact that she was actually laughing along with them because his lap is so infectious.
You can clear kind of tilt in their head constantly trying to like stop the camera, but they've got to the point where they're like, you can't hide it anymore. So you're just going to have to kind of go with the face that you got. That was one of my favorite bits, but another one was the M when they're trying to get in the building. Right.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Don't be late. Please. Great ancestor of the kind. It's a funny spoon.
I can't. He's like, push it up. It's like, he doesn't quite get the prompts and then he eventually gets on and he's like, where's the toolkit? Yeah.
He also, he also uses toward and the whole as well as a joke. He calls them a tool in the hall. Yeah. That was really funny.
Mine. Again, it was like the slow burner joke. And then the guy goes to the bar, complains about mistakes and this is tough. Tough enough boots.
They can't eat this. And we've already seen a poistan and he's holding the shoe. I think he has a holding shoe and every film he does. And he uses it to fill his shoes.
Get all that. And he's what none. And you think, Oh, that's the guy. That's the joke, but no, it's the fact that later on, he gets attacked by Robert dogs because he's got to make any shoe and he's like, fending them off and they go, what's going to the end of front of the shoe and the dogs with it.
It's just the so it's again, it's like a three stage guy. This is the build up. We've got a whole new shoe. This is kind of where it's going.
And I think it's just, I was so well done and played out. And I think their reactions and again, having like Laurel and Hardy and like, like, all these kind of like, he tries to be the straight man to Laurel's cook comedy, which plays out perfectly on the do the switch of real times. But yeah, I was broken. I ended up watching like that.
I was like, that was so fucking clever. So just like, because you talk about like jokes now, like comedians, like a stand up show. There's a North East comedian called Ross normal. He'll start a joke at the start, give the middle like halfway through the short, then finish on the joke that you started at the table again.
And I love that. And it's kind of like, not treating the audience like the stupid. It's like little nods and wings in. Remember this bit?
This is coming. Don't worry. This would come in a lap. I was like, just, just so well done.
But, and again, it's hopping back to what I said before, these guys, as you said, was so ahead of the time when it comes to like the jokes and the kind of the humor. Yes, there is a little bit of like slap and tickle like raunchiness thrown in, but they don't rely on it with other comedians and stuff at the time. So I know, like as Jill said, when Lola's and she looks absolutely amazing, but she's no like woman. That's kind of like odd.
I need a man look after she looks after herself. And her character is so cut through it and like interesting. And when she attacks her with Stan. Again, it's the little things that they do because it could have been on just going to go straight for the dates.
No, it's like, she grabs his leg, puts his hand up her legs, starts taking a little bit of fire. The fall of the bed, they go into the bed to have a whole like Exodus moment where the bed floats in the air and it just kind of like leaves in from there. It's like, the joke's not just one note. It's like, Oh, you think this bit's funny.
I'm going to take it to the next stage. And that was kind of like my impression when I was watching it. I was like, this has got so many layers and I just found in love with it all over again. It's the physical comedy from her.
Yeah. She is physical comedy. The fact that it's not just in this scene. It's when the husband's title and she literally yanks him down off the ceiling and kind of like falls down with them.
She is and I love the fact that her character, he tries to explain the plan to her and she's like, No, I get it. Say, where do we start? Like she doesn't need it explain in twice. You understand what you're saying.
She was a brilliant character. And I absolutely loved it. I wasn't that bothered about which the real Mary, like I didn't care because Lola was such a presence. I was like, I'm happy to see you be Mary.
But there was so many funny bits in it though as well. And can we just like, because remember this is 1937, the practical effects they tried to do in this as well. I was astounded. That was something I wanted to talk about as well because it really threw me for a loop when you know all these in the floor and the whole head spin in and I can understand that degree but then it's the head plane and I'm like, how it's the 30s.
Are you doing this when it doesn't look like there's a great deal going on? No. So I would have been just like a model, like bit of rubber because you could see it was drawn on. But the fact that was cut together.
It was the same as I said, it was the same as cut. And I know when we talked about seeing this cuts because I think me and Sam watched the same copy today that came up at the start saying this has been referred restored. There's been scenes that were lost and they found them and put them in. So it was quite interesting watching because there was bits where I knew it was absolutely as it was filmed today.
It was crystal clear. And then there was shakin' cam footage. And then it looked like someone had gotten the filter and just wobbled it a bit so you could clearly tell the bits that were missing, the bits that had been redone up. But it didn't, it doesn't take away from what you watch and you're still in it.
But having that at the beginning is a massive help to say this movie was, you know, it is very old and it needed to be placed back together with tender love and care and this is what we've done and please be, you know, please enjoy kind of being, but yeah, I was like, it first off, it won't. Hopefully I won't get motion stickers from this. Again, with the practical effects that was used, because it goes back to not just getting the comedy performance, like a certain time in the movie was like, you're watching a magic show where you're trying to work out how you were doing certain things. It's like the joke when they go into the river or the pond for the second time and the sort of and stands trying to at least try to light up a cigar and these are all the matches are wet.
So, standing lights will be some. It's clearly got to be a fake thumb but it's done so well. It was like, I'm going to say it. But he continuously keeps doing that with the storm to get it to work and I'm like, I'm such brilliant callbacks.
Well, and that's after he like the first time it happens and he sees it, he gives all it gives Dan a look and then he gives us a look. One of the things I love in the constant look that he keeps giving the audience. Yes, because it's the kind of breaks the fourth wall and like looks to go. It's kind of like you went on the joke though as well.
I like that. Yes, yes, yes. A lot of the gris too. I'm not sure you said it was well for the Marx Brothers.
When there was a joke that kind of like might not land or you might like take a few seconds. He would give a little wink or a nudge to the audience type thing to say. Don't worry, something's coming up. Yeah, wait a minute.
And one fact, the scene with the hat. Right. It's made of licorice. So when he's chomping away at it, it's a licorice hat.
The Marx Brothers go on, he goes exactly the same technique later on in one of their films. The Marx Brothers actually take quite a fair bit from Floral and Hard. It was never in a bad way. It was these are our influences.
These are who we are, you know, it kind of appears kind of thing. We're trying to impress them. It wasn't the case. We're trying to steal things.
That's our bridge and watch stuff because there's a lot of people who are influenced by them and a lot of people who influenced them. I mentioned Charlie Chaplin earlier. He was a huge part of Stangler's life. And what's the key?
I love that so much. And what's the key? If you don't know who he is, it's probably one of the funniest physical comedians that has ever graced this world. And the best stunt man you'll ever see.
You know the house one where the house, that's still to this day. And I know that's done like when, how many years ago, and I'm still to this day, and he does the train as well. Everything you see, Bosto Keaton does himself. And he was actually one of Stangler's very good friends.
They all kind of knew each other. The influence that Ollie got to kind of want to be an actor because Ollie saw himself as a big guy and who wants to hire a big guy. And then he sees Roscoe Arbocal, who was Roscoe Fadi Arbocal, who will be the next person on my list when I finally decided to write my next article. He is a huge influence because he was a massive star of the silent era.
And he's kind of like, well, he went, oh, oh, if he can do it in his size, and I'm going to be okay and I can do it. The Abbott and Costello. Right. I'm not a big fan of Abbott and Costello.
I'll be honest about that. No, I love the premise and the idea of that films, but the execution is a bit off for me. I'm not a huge fan, but when it comes to standing Ollie, Ollie is the performer. Stang is the businessman.
He is the one who kind of, he's actually credited as a producer on this film. He's not. He didn't at all. The studio is because he saw it.
I don't think we realized the power that Stan Laurel actually has in the industry. If he's not happy, then nobody's happy. So he got a credit on this movie as a producer. What it actually didn't do any of it.
Because they just wanted to keep him happy. Well, you went to Stan Laurel for help, and that's what Abbott and Costello did. They hated what Universal were given them as scripts. And it was Stan Laurel who went in and worked with them on the scripts for their movies.
So he realized how much of a presence he was in Hollywood. Someone who was not brought up there. What reason? Even Ollie said, if something was funny, he would tell people go ask Stan.
He's the guy. And the performer, he's the guy. Billy Wilder was actually planning on doing a movie with Stan in 1950. We all know Billy Wilder if you watch us on the Hot Review.
But Stan's health wasn't the greatest in 1950. And when Ollie sadly passed away, Stan was heartbroken. And to the point where he said, I will never perform again. What he did was he went back to England, give his telephone number up to all of his fans.
He said, ring me. What audience? And they did. They would ring him and he'd, it was a company that he kept.
But he was absolutely heartbroken. But because he was really purely himself, he couldn't actually attend his funeral. Ollie was buried in Valhalla Memorial Center in Los Angeles. And Stan is in either two miles away.
They're not that far away from each other. But yeah, Ollie's funeral was very somber. The somber affair, Stan's was at the big Hollywood works. Was the Keaton, spoken to his funeral.
Dick Van Dyke was a dis funeral because Dick Van Dyke again. Inspiration, the kind of like was inspired by. But there was something called the Keaton said. That was, that one.
That was, that was, it, Chaplin wasn't the funniest. I wasn't the funniest. This man was the funniest. That's nice.
That's beautiful. And Dick Van Dyke said, if anyone at my funeral has a long fit, no, this is, this is what Stan Laurel had said to Dick Van Dyke. If anyone at my funeral has a long face, I'll never speak to them again. And he's fine with words.
This is, this is the comedian right up until the end. So his nurse was about to inject him with something. And he went, I like skiing. And she went, you like skiing.
And she was, I'll be being skiing recently. And she was like, no, never been skiing before in my life. I just would rather be skiing than have you stick that needle in my arm right now. And she went to turn around and turn back.
And he passed away. That was his final words though. He was jogging right up until the end. And the thing is, with a lot of those when people talk about that, like, I can hear it in his voice too.
I can like hear it the way that he would have delivered it. And, and, because, yeah, he's just so great at it. Yeah. He's buried it for us long polywood because cemetery, which is literally two miles away from Valhalla, which is the closest that they will ever be to each other.
We'll not get that talked. It was, then it's a life. They really, really lived a life. I mean, I was two documentaries on them and one of them ended up having to turn off because it was literally just a life.
They just, they, they were like, so they're like that women. I'll be fine. Let's go, let's say all about how he wasn't the most attractive men. So the fact that he had a few fears.
British bulldog. That would probably be. I also read somewhere that, in a couple of places actually that stands daughter when she was a child. Didn't care for Ali because every time she saw him in the movies, he was bullying her dead.
Yeah, he only had two children, one little girl and one little boy, which broke him because he only lived nine days, but apparently the next film he did after that was probably the best, and I can't remember what the name of the film was, but was the best he ever did because he just literally put his heart and soul into it. Honestly, the documentaries that you'll find on YouTube about them, they are hours long because there's so much to cover. The things that they did do, the work is hard, it wasn't just the movies, they went on tours, they sat stage so again, they lived a life and what a fantastic life it would have been, but one person I want to mention as well because like one back to the movie like we are west, because I expected Stan and Ollie being like the highlights, which they were, but the protagonist, the guy who we were kind of fighting against, James Finlison who played Mickey Finn, was hilarious, again it was one of those faces as soon as you saw it, I recognize him, he's probably been in so many different films from the time, probably not probably got the theme and fortune that he probably deserved, but he was hilarious in this movie and the kind of reptile or like the bouncing off Stan and Ollie as well, it was the perfect threes, like but they're the perfect three songs, shall we say? Hey, we're not classic, we're not for fun.
Well, if he was in a number of their productions too, he was the antagonist for a lot of their shows and I actually found something interesting on YouTube, I don't know what it is. I was going to say, you've stolen enough people's comments, that's your goal. When you mentioned it earlier, I knew exactly which one it was going to be, because it's the one that really really makes me smile. So thank you.
So Homer Simpson's dope expression is based on James Finlison's same expression in these movies, he did he would do this dope and that's what Dan Castanella, I think, based that on when he came up with Homer's most probably most iconic expression. So yeah, when I read that, I was just like over the hills. I couldn't stop smiling, it's when he fired the gun off the bed and he was dope. And I'd already read that before I'd seen the film, so I'll kind of like that really like added a bit of an explanation.
I thought that was one of the best, especially the influence in pop culture. And it's not even more on how to get somebody else. So yeah, I couldn't get over that, you're Scottish. What?
Yep, you were Scottish, like his accent, like I've just got his like information up here. It says, a Scottish actor born in Scotland, I was like, I would have fucked it, he hired that accent. So especially back then when, because they wouldn't have derelict porches and stuff back then. So him doing that American accent was just blew my mind.
But as you said, his facial expressions, and I know we've just done an episode with some of the greatest mustaches ever been known in terms to one. His mustache was greater than anything I've ever seen. It's quite wise to shame. Yes.
To shame. But yeah, it was pretty impressive. But do you know that it's fake? Don't break the illusion though.
Oh, that's what I really mean. That's what I really mean. Unless my sources are wrong. That's what I really mean.
It is that the maker department did an amazing job making that stay on his face, especially with all the movement and everything that he did. But the costumes in this were absolutely fantastic. And I don't know if it's because of how clear the picture was. I got to see a lot of details in the costumes.
Yeah. I love the fact that all these trousers, like the patches. Yeah. I love the fact that when Stan ate the hat, they didn't change the hat.
No. The hat stays exactly the same. Like that's a detail that they could have been really like overlooked and kind of like, you know, forgotten about. But nor the kept the hat the same all the way through.
And Lorde's dresses, how she looked in and to be wearing a negligee. Yes. In a place like you. There was shoulders to shoulders being on view.
Yeah. It was very risky. I mean, it was only in the 20s when it was done in Nosferado that it was kind of healed. Oh, shit.
This is too scandalous for movies. Like she wore exactly the same outfit. So there's only, you know, not that many years in between them. Yeah.
The whole, the costumes and everything were absolutely one chef's kiss. So laying out the costumes. Can we spend a little bit of time just talking about the facial expressions in this movie. Like, I think this is probably the, like coming from the silent area to doing the thing.
So a lot more of in the, in the facials. Each and every one of them. Wow. And again, going back to like James Finneasons.
The one thing that stands out, because I said, Stan does all the facial expression, these and all these always like, but then when he kicks the bucket and it's like all his head, his facial expressions, like he's just kicked the brick and he hops up the stairs and you can actually feel, and those are the moments where I was like in Fitsa Laughter and kind of taint us back to each other's why I love these silly, silly, silly movies, because it shouldn't have affected them as much as that. But all the different facial expressions that each of the characters gave us all the throw told the story a million times more than words at times as well. I love Stan's face. Like the comedy in it alone is brilliant.
And the fact when he started doing the crime in one because that's what I knew him for. Yeah. But it's Ollie and the contempt that he can show in his face is just but it's not hatred. It's just, oh, God, this again.
Yes. Exactly. And you know, it's a few different ways. I do feel like that, like Jake is the Ollie with the facial expressions is like, oh, these boys are acting themselves saying stupid things again.
It is content. Very well. So I found something, I found something about that as well. All right.
If I can. So apparently, Stan left a lot of those scenes where Ollie is giving us that face for the end of the day because apparently at the end of all the shooting days, Ollie liked to go play golf. And he like as soon as he was done, he was out playing golf. And so if production was taking long, he'd leave those looks for the end of the day when they were really frustratingly real.
Exactly. I know you mentioned before about Lola kind of like co-opsing and breaking like, breaking during the certain aspect. But it felt like the whole movie was filled with those type of elements. It's like when the band's playing the little song and you get the famous dancing where Ollie and Stan is doing the dance in front of like the bar or like the hotel and like the band is just playing away.
And I like when the walk in, they kind of break down and start laughing like like what the biggest experience. I don't think they were meant to do that. I think it's just like that was like a natural thing that happened and they went, oh, I'll just keep going because it worked so nicely. But it must have been so fucking, I don't know how they did it because it was times when Stan kind of broke and like you could see glimpses there but Ollie was amazing.
Ollie never broke. That I see. No, he was such a professional throughout. Do you think though that this is just a case of this is the outline?
So this is where this is where this is the start, middle and end going to build the gaps. Do you really think that's what they do? Because it doesn't, I can't imagine you can recreate half of what they've done like replicated. It's kind of going to be this is it or nothing kind of thing.
I think in the what we mentioned before again, I know we talked about like we're talking to the Sherlock because the standard. We got so carried away. The standard Ollie like movie that came out in 2018 with Steve Guggen and John C. Riley, they went into that aspect when it comes to the show.
I think Stan was quite a dictator when it comes to like how old the show was meant to be. I think Ollie was a little bit more laid back but everything had I think was planned out again. I could be wrong. I think from documentaries I watched as I said earlier Stan Ollie was the performer.
Stan was the man everything went through him so yeah that makes sense. I watched that not that long ago and the minute I heard Stan Laurel speak today I went oh my god Steve Kuggen you did such a grand job. You really emulated Stan's voice perfectly. He really did.
He really did. And John C. Riley just I think just the kindness of Ollie because I just imagine him being like a very kind person and very grateful for his position because he doesn't come from the world that Stan does. Stan's being through the hardship of the theater of the Vod Voleans lifestyle of going into him.
He had it at first. Stan's never really done anything on his own. He always had somebody. His first partner obviously worked a lot with Charlie Chaplin but his next one was Mayor Dalberg and they did a double act together but apparently their relationship was so toxic to work with.
It's nothing like what you got when he starts working with Ollie. So I think I just got this impression of Ollie that he's just so happy to be there. I'm the happy that this is my life kind of thing. I just can't get over like as you said the comedy in this movie and I feel not embarrassed.
Like I've kind of forgotten it a little bit from each other because as I said these are the films and this is the aspect I kind of like I was brought up on. So I was kind of I knew what I was expecting. I was like again foolishly I thought it was just going to be like slapstick in a way where like Oliver slaps Stan about. There is one movie I think I'm going to wear.
He just basically slaps him for like start to finish to the movie because he's completely doing but this felt like a completely different Laurel and Hardy movie because the one playing like the bumbling offs that were on a mission to do a job and that was the quite a good element and I love the fact that they had a bit of integrity as well because as soon as they realized like the fuck up the mistake and I know I wouldn't be in a good film if they just went all right and then went off and done something else. It's a film over shit movie but the fact that the fact that they got chased out with George and the dust went with them as well which was hilariously well done. It was basically just like the dust blowing. It was the scene shot in backwards but it was fantastic.
But to the fact that as Jill said when they're trying to get into the place with I mean sorry with you it was with the donkey and the physical comedy with the donkey and how he used it as well. It's like all the tropes were there. You knew some of the jokes like oh the got to the window where's the tools down here. It's like oh and then there's a whole when Stan's popping up the rope with Ollie and he gets off for a shot and he just tugs on it and sends him into a somersault which again lost of hurt.
Like I'm sorry there's no way doing that without a turn. Just myself off it's like they don't even have bad words and stuff where the marks were there's all be like handbag. Oh yeah there's no way. When the mark is at there's then lovely pauses between everything to do so it's kind of like with a mark where there's this very fast and quick and that's what I learned when I watched their movie everything's like a reaction kind of thing but with these they give you a moment of a read.
You take in the laugh and take in the moment and then they'll move on to the next thing. That makes it funnier as well because you laugh initially and then there's the gap and you're like it's like infectious that it brings the laugh forward as well. It's kind of like again it's just a master of the of the nor what they're doing. Yeah.
And what we've got to say that Jill sorry. Oh no you're fine. I was just well when there was a good breaking point I was going to say that I kind of got raised on this like it sounds like you were my dad used to watch these and we'd find ourselves Saturday afternoon watching whatever Laurel and Hardy came on so it's how I I got my exposure as well and most of my viewing was from that long ago and so coming back to see this like you said there's a lot of things that you expect and then you kind of see again which you didn't see as a youngster and it's it's seeing the whole it's like watching a new movie all over again or new show. Oh I love a sentence.
It pretty much was to me because this is my first ever Laurel and Hardy movie. Oh you gotta go watch others. Now that I know that I got a massive shock went because I was just gonna watch I wasn't gonna watch the film yesterday I wanted to watch it today I like things to be fresh in my head ready for when we come to record so I was just gonna watch a few talking mentoring so I typed Laurel and Hardy and then all these films came in and I was like the second one along was this one and I was like oh shit so many and did I go and get the marks brothers the only one that wasn't there was the one that we were going to watch. I think the wrong one I got mixed up on that one that was my first one.
I still love that film I don't remember this being something that because my mama loves classic Hollywood movies and I don't remember this being something that she would have watched but I always remember when we talked about this the Stan and Ollie bio film she was very interested in watching it as well so I don't know I don't feel like this is definitely my first I do remember one of their shorts being in the middle of one of my video tips can't tell you what it was but it was like you know how it has like one movie two movies it was right in the middle I thought my boss was one and two had Batman yeah one had a Laurel one Hardy one and again this is what scares me about like this is gonna make me sound all sorts all balls gonna have a more not the youth of the other guys is I don't think and again with cinema the weirdies now and with with you having so much at your fingertips you can basically any film that you want to say you can have access do it the youth of the dear yes I did use the phrase youth of the dear probably won't go on looking for these type of movies when they should yeah we spoke about this in some light it hot they it's sad that they will look at something and go because it's in black and white no that's it's the right it off completely when it these movies give you some of the best comedy storytelling make up if that's why you want your eye wants to go to make or props costume everything there is detail gone into these that you you can't read I mean you can't to a degree today but it's so easy to do today whereas when you think back when they did it's not as easy so it makes it more for me more special yeah well you say that but at the same time I'm um the scene that you have behind us with them dancing I have found pops up a lot on people's YouTube videos and they're setting they're setting music like them dancing to other music besides what's in the movie I know that it makes a brief appearance in there's a version of uptown funk by Bruno Mars that somebody put to all kinds of classic movie dancing and so if you go google that um uh it's fabulous because whoever did it timed all of the dance moves from all these different movies just absolutely perfectly but um this dance makes a little cameo in there and then there's also a couple that I was uh just privy to today there's a version a the gat band song party train put to this dance and like they play the song with showing this dance and and and that fits in very well and then also there is a credence clearwater revival somebody did with uh over this and it's it's not as good as the gat band but it works and so like you can people are watching it still and they're finding these ways to intermingle it with things that we know of now I don't think I simply go on I'm tired of that because if you want to be like a comedian or a film maker and again it was a lot of different things you can look at or like go with different skills or thoughts but going back and watching like say a lot of how do you could learn so I'm watching take from it and it only makes like say certain aspects but what I want to see now with with Jill seeing that I want to see the top grump version of Lee and Chris doing the Laurel and Hardy dance now to the music just to see just to see what if they can perform it and he is good as as this as well now in the north as well we do have a lot of double acts which again for the Laurel and Hardy and certain things so let's play a little game shall we so out of the next day we'll let the guest go first so out of the top grumps who is Laurel and Hardy or Chris and Lee? Oh that's so hard I think I think Lee's got to be Laurel and Chris has got to be Hardy so I think I'm gonna have to agree so yeah I would say yeah so I would say Lee was definitely Hardy and I would say Chris is Stan because I can say Chris one he's a little bit emotional because they are like moments and I do recognize from Laurel and Hardy so I was like I was like he were in the Laurel and Hardy do do do do do do do do do do do I was like oh my gosh yeah that's a good call I agree with that one so out of Becca and Sarah the one girls saw who's the Laurel and Hardy of the wanks now the deep place I don't know and I see it so that is Laurel and Sarah's Sarah can do contempt like no that she has a straight base sometimes like yeah so coming in the hard ones now so out of Jake and Adam oh wait yeah yeah Laurel Adam part of the day and you can keep on checking the other person's Laurel right so I'm going like this one is going to be really hard now the tracking boys so we're a captain Goodwill and Graham who's Laurel and Hardy out without that Laurel is well all right absolutely absolutely and to finalize it me and Sam will go quiet Jill has to answer this one out of me and Sammy I knew that's what was coming oh I think I referred you with Stan right I would agree with Holly yep I'd agree if you switch it to monsters I'd say I'm Laurel and Dan's poly so yeah just a little bit of fun there but yeah I was so hard I mean he's talking about their personalities and everything so I'm like trying to be careful where I fit people I totally agree with what you said with me and Polo oh and there's also like when you when you get all teary and smiley it's a little bit of a moding Ollie there too like the big the the the deep smile and everything no and again just a bit devil's advocate because we've got a new podcast as well anime club I would do this I would do the switch in reverse I would say Fabie is more Laurel and and Chris is the Oliver Hardy in that relationship because she is the quite so um but yeah that's what I would say with that one because Fabie's the old like lightness and happy and I think she would be like all side of something went wrong where Chris has always like looking at the camera like just disappointing it in everything in life. I'm going to do it now which one is it yeah he's not a user what's that right because he's swanning himself on hold of it yes I'm not gonna ask you it's the real this movie all I'm gonna say because I don't think you can because it's it's top marks across the board it's classic use because it's it's classic it's timeless it's perfect it's how you know comedy should be should be seen all of it yes I'm I'm just over the moon that we have like strong North Aces connections to these characters as well so that's quite well fancy a road trip to go to the museum yes all right I knew there was a museum yeah it's the only Laurel and Hardy museum in the world and it's in all of us in come where yeah right all right we got to where my family's from in come where we don't have to but we could go to the museum I know there's a statue in North Sanseid yeah we saw the Laurel and Hardy statue in Leicester Square in London when we went to see yeah so that was quite a nice experience you know when I was in Paris there's a there was a amongst many cafes that were there and you know how they have the roofs that kind of come down in the long one of them had like a whole line of like movie the little miniatures like the head Dorothy it was I don't know if it was made out of water what was like Dorothy and then on the corner was Laurel and Hardy and it was so so we like all these differently classic characters so but the I remember the Harlem and Hardy when we saw I think it was a robot one that yeah the like they were kind of almost like falling over or something like that but again that's such a timeless like of its time and again not relying on like cheap sexist gags and stuff like that like the comedy the comedy was just so well done and I found a little bit of a connection for myself too oh gopher yes so um before they were Laurel and Hardy Ollie was in Jackson ville Florida because that's where the filming company that he was working for was based in which is also where I went to college wow there you go and then I lived there for a year after that so I've got a got a little bit of a connection there too no as Dan's been they say the connections too was it adventures will babysitting where does trying to connect it to us yeah the 66 degrees of separation I think I'm touching my opinion because she's trying to connect every villain we do to Avengers and babies in our Chris Columbus the one for Silent Hill is probably the best one she's all right interesting I watched that tomorrow yeah um oh I'm so glad we did this episode and I'm so glad we got to take to kind of go back and experience it as well so that's what it's my ultimate yeah but yeah again the good thing about these movies is well a lot of them are free on YouTube yep so if anyone wanted to try and catch up or try and experience them just don't go in the mindset saying oh it's all that's black and white and go check out the performances as I said James Ferguson is amazing um like Sharon Linnocled Lolo is absolutely divine everything in this is done like so well and you can tell there's a love and care put into these type of aspects and which I know it sounds really weird to say there's no wayist jokes because there's a lot of things where the like comedians or comedy shows or comedy things throw so many different jokes in to try and see what sticks and what doesn't everything lands everything sticks everything's funny if you think that a black and white movie is not for you go and watch the multi-salt and review that I did with Chris because Chris is never watched a black and white movie until then and he absolutely loved it because these guys these movies like I said earlier have great storylines great plot points great comedy they are classic for a reason yes well some like a black and white as well or was that cool why did they do a collaboration that's another that I didn't I don't think I got to see your uh your show on that but that is a good movie I do enjoy that one I think we just left all with wrote as well as I was trying not to shit all of a Maryland's memory to be honest because it's an absolute night major and but like I said on there I love that woman beyond fandom so it's you know I say it with love I'm just telling you what I learned that day but I really have enjoyed this and to be honest I didn't I started doing me an order I could have gone really hard with the history of Laurel and Hardy but I had to stop myself and kind of remember that the movie has to be talked about at the same time because there is a lot so if you are interested there is countless amount of documentaries on YouTube to watch about them because these guys live in life and it was so interesting they lived in some of the greatest times they had some of the greatest fights with studios and and yeah it's it's an interesting one you can go down a massive rabbit hole which I did to do and there's such a uh like you said earlier such a repertoire to pull from to go back and watch more um if you're looking for your next I do recommend tote in the hole or if you don't have a lot of time the music box I mentioned the music box and one thing we haven't mentioned and I think it'll be a miss not to comment on the music in this movie yeah it was so sweet everything is just so fun I think back in the day as well going back from the talkies and going back to the Santa movies where you had like someone who's playing the instruments next to the music playing next to the movie playing because they didn't have like the functionality to have sound it was very much like that where like it was like during the 10th movie was like do do do do do do do do or during like a happy moment like all the songs been the music used in this was to tell our movies the story along and again with great movies and great storytelling the music plays a big part in this and I think it's done it so well and like if you like you can go back to like I see a modern but go back to like folks like Jaws or even like something as scary as Halloween like the music plays a part in those aspects to build attention and build this kind of doesn't build attention but builds the comedy yeah it was sweet as well it was a very sweet moment of them who just you know singing next to each other but this song's in this it didn't stick with it's not like the ones from the Marx Brothers unfortunately but what I do have stuck in my head on repeat is Shine on Harvest Moon which is another one that Ollie sings and I can't get it out of my head I can hear him and I only know the words to the beginning of the Shine on Harvest Moon but that's the only word that's happening Oh okay it's time to sing it first later let's find Ollie so yes so what have we got planned for this week Sammy? I planned it this week um tomorrow brand new episodes of North podcast 8 hits youtube at eight o'clock in the morning so please remember to hit the notification bell so you notified that the episode is available and we are going to Silent Hill so people's gonna get all like a rock and sex over a pyramid head um I wouldn't blame them um yeah we go it's only the movie that we're doing because Jesus if I tried to do the video game as well it would be a really four-hour recording of me trying to figure that out along with the movie because I'm not gonna lie this was a very confusing time for me it's a complicated movie to be honest like this is lots going on but doesn't really nothing ever happen at the same time um I think I'm message Paul halfway through the week when I don't know what's going on here how am I gonna record this episode just waiting with lots of questions no answers that's exactly exactly we do have a new episode of Top Grumps that's coming out on Tuesday I don't know who they're doing yet I can't remember I don't think they know I think we're just pulling out the rasp to be honest wow hopefully ladies in the chat can tell us um yeah um and all Top Grumps is live on well that episode goes out around one o'clock on Tuesday we do have an episode of um Lee's Dragon Ball which I cannot pronounce for the love of money for us um our screen board that's what they're doing yes uh they're doing uh they're doing a steamboat really from screen board um interesting which we got to watch last week which has various um reviews or help if you want to go and watch it um that it's Lee on Friday it's Anime Friday that's I think that's a new name well Lee's as Dragon Ball goes out because he's doing it every two weeks and then we've got the Anime Club that goes live at six o'clock with Phoebe and Chris because with Chris going away I think he's recorded like five episodes or something just basically to put out so that's there.
It's been a lot of work lesson in order to have these two weeks off. I love how we have all this stuff flying by as well um have you got anything planned for this week Jill anything with OF? Um I think um next weekend I did an episode of their rewrites I think it comes up for airing next weekend we um we rewrote an episode of Deep Space Nine that was not well received and tried to just do some tweaks and make it better so I did watch one of those episodes where I think Chris rewrote an episode of Sub-A-Rosa um and like his idea was having a Greg's in the space or on Starfleet I think needs an Oscar I think or a BAFTA whatever you get for writing duties these days I think it was just chef's kiss perfect um Phoebe's just told me- my pitch featured a Greg's to to kind of throw back to that I put something of Greg's in my pitch because I loved his his uh his addition of that or his including that so much and I just wanted to do a throwback. Phoebe's told us what they're doing and I'm not going to even put time pernounce it's a bit- so it's um did a hero hero?
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And just ask the question are you ready for what is going to be coming after this week? After this week sorry we have full blast foot coming in your face as Lee action is in full effect we're starting with Tango and Cash we're going with a sci-fi action Arnie with Total Recall and we are finishing a with Dread. It's gonna be meant and we're doing it all the way we're just taking a lee and we're going to keep them in the Nodie of North come so we can't go back to top rooms ever again. So I think Lee and Jake's well I think it's just Lee for Tango and Cash then Lee and Jake for Total Recall and the love of the faves.
The faves has joined us with Dread as well so I am excited and scared to what characters or what type of elements Lee will be dressed up as. I don't think we're going to get anything next week because if we're not pre-recorded we're going to be out all day. So I just don't think it's going to be anything but I can't say for sure on Total Recall and definitely can't say for sure on Dread. To be fair Tango and Cash will probably need to sort of record that because as I said next Sunday we will be at Award Horror Festival down in Award.
In the amongst us. We're going there. Yeah we're going there to buy cool stuff. I think they're doing like horror shorts as well this time so that's going to be quite fair.
Does the scares on going to be there? I mean I'm not going to leave out of it. Does it not leave out must be? Are you?
I thought I'd be in New York. I've run away from it. I've got to leave out with the other ones. The scares on ones in there and everything.
So it sounds like it's going to be a bit different from last year. As long as we stay away from any owls. Any animals basically. You're a bit of a...
Yeah and I'm not taken. I did last time. I'm buying disposables. I'm not having an incident where I make my bags look like on fire.
So lessons we learned from last year. So yes. So thank you everyone who's been in the chat. I know we've not paid much attention because we've been trying our conversation more than yours.
So that's fine. I think we've been watching all of everything. At least we've been in the shower. That's why you're confused by.
But yes. Just to say a big thank you for everyone who's supporting us with I know I've been on board. With the blocks being removed from meta we are starting to reach other people. We're starting to grow again.
It is getting more exciting. So hopefully we'll have more fun, do more things. And see what we've got coming up. We've got a few ideas in the pipeline to make people feel uncomfortable and make people laugh at the same time.
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