Nerdy Up North Podcast - Midnight Mass

live. Hi everyone and welcome to the NURI of North Podcast. It's a NURI podcast hosted by another Nerd, I am Wadi Wossem. And I am the other horse Paul and we try to have a new sound.

So let us know if we sound okay please and we are joined by the lovely beautiful and ever knowledgeable Jess. So welcome back Jess, it's been the Spooky Month for you and we're kind of joined by Sonia we're not quite sure which Sonia we've got. I'm so hungover I'm sorry guys. Bless her.

She's here, she's got a water, she's got a coffee. She's got a coffee that I'll be bringing coffee every so often but yes she's managed to turn up and she's done it but we'll get us on you through this video. We're going to give it the best time. I appreciate it.

This will fix me and start me right out. I know a few people in the chat are at the quiz last night so it's nice seniors again use a soap and a few weirdos. What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you?

What's wrong with you? Why are you listening to the leaves alone? So how are you guys? I mean please don't ask everyone.

Yes. It's been a month hasn't it? It's been a month of burning products and it's caught up with Jess all at once. I feel like I'm tired but I'll probably sleep for about half 11 last night.

Jess was calling in the bed about two o'clock. Sonia hasn't been a bit and Sami has actually the part she's the party animal of us all. Sami never stops them and again I know we've talked about this on TikTok as well because like with that cool people go on TikTok live now with that type of people. Sami is a hidden party animal as we found out last night at the full of a horror.

Like we just wanted to go to bed. Well I was wanted to go to bed but Sami was known she was like I think at one point she actually showed us because I said I was going to go to bed. She got quite angry. I remember this as well.

Hey what can I say? You put a challenge in front of us. I'm going to accept this. And it is.

It was fun. He did end up staying so a bit longer than nine o'clock because I am old. I am an old fart. Yes.

I'm just to say as well I know it does not like leaves in the chat yet but the two naughty boys I am very disappointed in years today. You said let yourselves down. You said let me up north down. Sami is out with the moon years.

Sami loves you. I'm so happy thank you. I appreciate it. My tiktok is great.

But yes I thought there'll be a video there'll be a video going up on TikTok explaining the actions of the two naughty boys as well there. The flicker gate as we'll call it. But yes we are still in the midst of spooky season. We are still almost coming to the end shall we say.

Yeah we've got this one and another one and we're done. We're moving into more. We're up to talk. Maybe I am getting a little bit Halloween that I might say.

Yeah really? Yeah yeah I'm kind of like because it feels like it's gone forever. I know. It felt like a long month for sure.

Well to be fair though Sami you do do a horror podcast so isn't it just Halloween every week? Every week is Halloween. That's probably why I'm tired. So before you give us them a very lovely taglines for this would you give us the display of their I will.

It's just one tagline and it's so beautiful. Before that everything just goes into the episode is our opinions and our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode please come and join us on the Facebook page. Come and join us to know Discord or comment section where we can have an open discussion or we won't have anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong because we can all agree to disagree and fander them.

So it's gonna be fun to keep the toxic behaviour out of a nerdism. Very well said there yes. Yeah I'm gonna kick off the episode with the tagline because I feel like it'll take us nicely into it. There is no death.

Life is a dream. It's a wish. Maybe again and again and again and again and on to Into Eternity. I think that quite sets the mood of where this episode of all where this show kind of goes as well because yeah I don't know about you guys.

Hi you're just in the chat. When did you first get because I didn't watch this when it first when it premiered on Netflix? I know these types of shows will come out each year for a period. We will get a hold of Hill Hill House then Blige Manor.

Then this came out wasn't it? Yeah then Midnight Club. I think he was contracted wasn't he just churn out XM out and he's done now. He's contracted but he's off to Amazon.

Yeah yeah yeah. But I watch this when it aired. I don't know how it ended up happening but I was off work. I don't know whether I had an annual leave or I was on sick.

I really don't remember when I was off work and I was treating Pat and ruined. I was like sitting on my PC and I was like oh I've got the Netflix app. I'll just say for something I can put on my local games. I'll just have it on the other monitor and so that it was by the guy who'd done Paul and Hill House and I was like I'll check it out.

I stayed up till 6am. I watched every episode back to back and the next day I went to sleep at 6pm. I got it like 2pm and the next day I said the cocksy. I've watched this amazing show you have to watch it and he was like well let's watch it and then me and him watched it and we've been to the full season so I watched the season twice in 24 hours.

That's my story. That's a lot. That's a lot. That is a lot.

Especially like how heavy Jake and Ojik are sending in the chat but how heavy dialogue it is and there's some meaningful stuff behind it. Mine I can just jump in. Was there last year? Oh yes I remember here because we were on this day last year my face was memory.

My face was memory this morning was a picture of the first episodes and I took the caption was I need to get that right as well get this out the way with because I really had a lot of anxiety about watching this. I don't do animals in programs that have something bad to happen to them and when someone mentioned the scene with the cats which I never would get into and I was like no can't do it. It was just a sun yeah. To be honest the cats look very funny.

It's not realistic. Maybe you could get around it and it was something you've got us to watch it. Yeah. Okay everyone will watch this.

That was interesting because that was my stumbling block as well because I think it'd come out and that was the big buzz and the thing everyone kept on saying about it was the scene with the cats and I'm the same as Sam. So as it comes to animals if animal gets because I think what was it? Drag her to hell. I was all on board filmed for the girl and seated something in that movie that was like I hope the bitch dies.

That was my turn point in that movie as well. We didn't even finish it. The minute she got the kitten and paused it no one. Don't forget Peter and find out what happens to that cat and he went there.

Yeah we're not watching the end of this and I was like just go to the end literally skip to the end. Sorry I get dragged to hell I'm not thankful for that. Bitch deserved it. What about you Jess?

What was it the website called? Sorry. I don't know. It's a website called does the dog die but it includes the animals and you literally google Will effect dying in this film.

Everything and I do check now on that website but it's not going to make a cover as trauma any trigger warnings and that's really good. What about you Jess? What was your first experience of in Night Mass? Yeah I think I was ready for it coming out to Netflix because obviously once Mike Flanagan stuff started and I'm a huge fan of like anthology series where they keep the same actors and they read just into each series.

American Horror Story is about them very very fast. I've never met another girl in the night and it's like brilliant because it's like Hill House and like Blimeine is my all-time favorite. It's really exciting like another one and again the same set of players and see how it would plan out. It was yeah I think I did the same thing I think I mentioned as well and it was just a bit of a thing.

I was like oh yeah I did that. No. Well it's quite interesting because as you said there's a lot of shows now and with the streaming services we are being quite spoils shall we say when the release to get the full season and there's a lot of episodes of TV shows that would get the build. I bet you can't just busy how we're through or watch all in one segment.

This one for me like this this and Hill House you could not stop watching. As soon as you finish the episode it was like it was almost like enticing you're in to know about the others and I know other shows have done similar things but you can get a little bit of fatigue. You can get tired. This one I've never got the fatigue.

No. I kind of did in the latest one for the House of Usher. The House of Usher. Yeah I kind of felt like after and that so I do want to revisit that and kind of give it the attention that I didn't the first time around.

Hornet of Hill House though is my all-time favourite thing he ever watched. It's one that I go back to on probably once a year if not twice I even have it on the background when I'm at work I want to be in that world so badly and it just gives me such a Stephen King vibes now. I watch it now I've seen like Dr. Sleep and more of his story.

Do you think that about Midnight Mass? I guess Stephen King vibes from it. Yeah especially like the whole setting of it and the community of it as well. It could be very it could be very it's Mike Flanagan's Derry Well yeah I watch this after Sami had watched it because I say I was quite hesitant and everything I said but it's weird this one didn't come with the fun fair of like Hill House or even Blige Manner.

This one was kind of like snuck in through the back door. It's like oh it's just being released and it's a Mike Flanagan but the advertisement and the weird kind of work because it's almost an odd it sounds weird compared it's almost like it's from Dustle Dawn type aspect because when you first watch from Dustle Dawn you don't expect vampires. When you watch in Midnight Mass you don't expect vampires. That's the way I could would compare it and this would accept and or it's completely different tones completely different type of vampires and different like different ways of being then but the whole bait and switch was just so beautiful.

And again with the characters these characters I'm sorry but every single one of them is just so well crafted even if they've got like a small part from the lines and as Jake said the monologues that they do you know everything in the existence of these characters where they've come from where they are now and it's just magical and how effortless it is. Yeah there is a reason not a reason but a kind of this is this is being in my Flanagan's head since dear one what he wanted to become whatever it is he wanted to do in movies because of television and it's actually it's sort in his head he's used it in his it's actually part of his Flanagan verse so in Gerald's game she is holding that she throws the boot at midnight mass which is actually written by the character in Hush which is played by his lovely wife Katie Siegel so it's been there in the bass burner it's very personal it is he is the main protagonist in this whole thing he's a kid who grew up on a in a community re-asd Roman Catholic he is the person who is having to deal with variety and grief and trauma and it's all him so it's really it's incredibly personal being for my Flanagan to release this. Yes I can tell I got mesmerized when I watched this as well because this could have been dealt with in so many different ways or it could have been used as a platform to be anti-religion and whatever but it's so well done and it never bad mouths or pokes fun at that element either there's a comfort in there as well and makes it all not religious at all but the comfort aspect that makes it a small town gets from like the church and like the all-timey like values and stuff it's done with such care and love as well and again it's weird talking about that type of aspect in a horror tv show aspect yeah yeah I mean to be honest with this one you can ask the question what is the true horror is it the is it the vampagans? It's not even quality of that woman which was awful in grace too, anyway is it the human side of it or is it the actual vampire side of it, it's very it doesn't mock religion, no it actually shows you what religion has done this community is completely broken when you first meet it, the whole town was ruined by all your spirituals which has had a massive effect on them and then religion and the church is being the one thing that's kept them all together as a community but then it's a breaking down of that what actually what does religion mean to you what are you willing to give up for it and I really I and it's so multi-layered because you think with this thing that it's one thing I would deal with you know the opening scene where you're dealing with the fact that oh my gosh this guy's gonna drop kill somebody and you know he's then having to go back and face reality of life after that but then you flip it on the tent and then it's all about you've got there's religious aspects to it you've got trauma to it you've got grief to it you've got so many different layers it's it's almost kind of it can be a bit overwhelming to take it all in but once it settles in there it's a quite a beautiful thing really it's like the family dynamic as well like Riley where as you said with his shot the like the most shocking entrance to this character is basically him lying like sitting on the side of the road contemplating his actions and what's like what basically the repercussions from him making a decision that would cause harm for the rest of his life and then going back to the small town where everyone knows your business everyone knows like the ins and everything and his family kind of like trying to accept the decisions that not just led him to where he was but like say that his father like it was like a great old with like any of the shows he's been in is still not like it's quite hesitant to forgive that he left him it's not the fact that it's like that kind of relationship because again that's what I loved about this show is like that's my kind of family dynamic where it could have been all American all teeny bopper and stuff I got but was so fucking real and so kind of rare times as well I feel like the depiction of like I don't know why or how because it's nothing like my life or my mom but like the depiction of the mom and the way she interacts is for me perfect like she's trying to get everyone together she's you know she's just like you know right on the phone and like she goes out for a cigarette just like he says hello and just just trying and best is by being able to physically see like he does not want to talk to her son but she's trying to do what she can like I feel like that's the perfect depiction of a mum in that kind of situation like that's what mum's doing right like the time she's so well written I don't think there's one character in here who's not well written no don't play their part I mean we're just talking about them she is horrible she is horrible but she is she's a well she is the voice and fears of so many people out there yeah who are exactly like her and she did that or you know that just how well she did it was it we hated that so much because how well she did her job yeah yeah she depicts kind of unfortunately what is the work side of yeah panic like to me she's so much like the character in the mist the one that's yeah like I've seen this but it's for me it's when it comes to conversations with the sheriff and it's really sure like I was like a terrible person because he's my heart we have hours and it's like yeah but he could learn better he can learn hours and stuff I don't want to do that because he was as wrong and I was as right yeah and how to say we've been talking to the kid in and so he's still the one like he's a great character even towards the end he's been one he has actually seen the truth of what's happening to them all and he's just seen as crazy it's not the same as the rest of them and it's it's an interesting sort of take on they say there's the aspect of like it's really literally the old court of church where it's like there's a deep undecided like thing of ceded yeah when you're still devout one thing and you can't see anything else but that one path yeah and I think that's kind of the point of the thing like they're all looking at one path that's it it's not the miracle isn't it the miracle makes them willing to overthrow kind of logic and it's like no this is the answer and I feel like like you said earlier for like the the show doesn't necessarily mock religion but it definitely captures the idea of religious guilt very well almost like you're so guilty about the fact that you have a lack of faith that you're willing to then blindly follow people who are there's one particular line absolutely loved and it's when it's been a bit of us having a chat with Riley's um not Riley it's Flynn sorry I don't know why Colin Riley and this Riley Flynn is a flint I can't remember yeah so Riley Flynn's mum is having a chat with Bev and they're talking about Riley interested in you know he's gonna go to hell for what he's doing he's took a life blah blah blah and um and Riley's mum doesn't get mad she doesn't get angry she does the very mum thing of staying calm and the line which I absolutely love because it's what you want to tell all those religious fundamentalists she says God loves my son just as much as he loves you why does that make you so angry yes it's such a good fucking line because it's it's kind of this idea that I'm better than you because I love God in a better way and I am well actually know that the Bible says God loves everyone equally and I just fucking get in Riley's mum because that's such a it's such a powerful line and you can see the look on her face as well like she's like she's my wife doesn't bother me so much like it's such a testament to that character as well because if you follow her arc all the way through from the mother who's trying to keep it all together she never wavers for the person who she is even at the end when there's shit it's the fan she is still exactly the same person she was the minute you saw her yeah it's such a it's that that line is probably a testament to her and her character but just to go back to you mentioned the sheriff anyone see a common theme with the sheriff's outfits it's a face to mind um last of us isn't it Jordan I said red dead for sure I can see why you would think that but yeah it's Jordan so Flanagan and uh Raul I love Raul you know I would do it for Raul calling him Raul came me up and I'd do enough for never grenade by honestly I stuck with eyes on because of that man oh it's amazing it's based his whole outfits from start to finish on the last of other it was the one out of all out of everything that I've read about this that was the one funny thing because everything's kind of like it's not serious but it's it explains things so in like in a way it's one other funny thing that's not what you saw about it's a pro-ish they're the priest on the last day of filming each end up in a hot dog costume right?

it's like it's such a sad day I don't want it to be remembered for being sad so I would rather like people remember it for fun reasons so we just turned up in a giant hot dog costume oh that is because I'm him standing in front of the church just as a giant hot dog it's a beautiful church as well by the way it can actually be nice yeah that was very very old fashioned American style that church though it's interesting though because this week I've watched two vampire things like I've watched Midnight Mass all with Raul and then me and my lovely wife we watched Salem's Lot the new one and the vibes through this like is kind of similar but like say less of the religious aspect more of like taking over a small town and then becoming more animalistic but the vampires in Salem's Lot and the vampires in Midnight Mass are very similar like I know you can't really do things like the eyes glistening and like the the the lust for the blood and all in Salem's Lot they do like do it as the people who have the virus is like a blood deficiency where in this it's just like pure greed and like it makes the blood almost like a drug that's when it turned into vampires you can see it was just quite interesting too but just to go back on what Jess said as well about the interaction with the sheriff and Bev the one of the most brutal and scary scenes and it's not anything to do with the vampires or anything it's that scene when they're in the school and having the tit for tax that again because and again not to generalize but I can imagine Americans having that conversation to this day like saying when they say no keep religion out with public schools and stuff like that and like why keep religion out why don't keep some religion out typing and all when we were at school we should just yeah we got like RE so we got like different types of like studies when we were at school but oh my god my RE lesson was learning about Derek Bentley and the last time to be hanged in the UK that was my religious education lesson not even Jogan I we watched the whole term we watched parts of the film every week and then we were sitting in the desert yeah that was my RE and so they definitely kept religion out of my school no but it's just anyone I never did RE in school all right oh really yeah my dad's a bit of it yes so he demanded to the school that he would not allow for me to do religious education because he found it'd be indoctrination that he would make me want to be religious just very misunderstood really it's like massively misunderstood but that's not what it is that it's just not a rejection system I'll raise it to about devouge atheist hilarious if you take him in a church my god and did anyone notice the titles of each episode no no no no no I really I was too busy powering through just one what makes me please come please get that and episode one is called book one genesis all right two it's called book two some right but three it's called book three proverbs and then you've got I can't see this limitations or limitations because it's about lemme when decisions let me think I generally thought that's what it says and book five is gospel book six is acts of the apostles music where it's going with the book seven is revelation of course was part of the bible and the episode where so the angel slash vampire is it i've just had me call it an angel i've been i've been reading and watching stuff on it where people are having the argument of angel versus you know oh yeah i think ill pointed out the chat as well it's quite it's actually actually said it's about vampires isn't already embedded in a lot of like i said because exactly what i was just about to say oh sorry no it's fine it brings it on lovely to the angel shares the traits of alak al yuku i don't know if i'm saying that right so i'll spell it a l u k e h i need to type of ampere demon and he's first mentioned in the book of proverbs so he's exactly meant so yeah all right all right so if i'm pyroism is part of like sichuan get bored religion again if i start talking about dricki or anything like that yeah i feel like i was like i knew this and i was like is my religion knowledge that good and i was like no i learned this through true blood with it education it's late in the seasons but the introduce this vampire called lilyth who is the first vampire she is fit as well um yeah she's she's pretty from the bible she's um with him even then lilyth that's right i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna upset syntellity so i'm gonna upset christianity as well so with her christianity's got vampires zombies with zombie jesus because jesus come back to life after a few days uh what are the monsters in there as they got frankenstein i'm i'm saying is the invisible man there like say what are the tricks coming coming saying the bible the invisible man has gone himself what i said that bush i'm so clever to you know depict it as the vampire perceiver's financial because obviously he's just that thing it's the whole sacrament thing of you know yeah you go the dodgy line you have the weird way for this good um and it works really well once obviously he's doing it and he's feeding it to them all and then just don't know it's like you have to take it particularly the girl with the wheelchair right so you make sure oh my god yeah like and that and that and that and that and that and that validates his because what he's done is take away choice right he's taken away free will he's made this decision for the town you know stripping away and he admitted all in the file that somebody really understands that point you know what i did this for me i did this because i wanted to and he gets it it's almost well white you know what he's like yeah but he finally admits it but um yeah it takes away tries but when the miracles are happening that validates what he's doing and you know even he can see bebs of cunt but he's still allowed to help because she's a means to an end you know she's helping him she's the one who's gonna get the message out he can only do so much he can provide what they need she's she's gonna be the mouthpiece for it all but oh good god does it dramatically backfire on him oh yeah but like his transformation in this as well because again he comes back he's like the younger self uh so spoilers anyone you see that coming no no no no that's it's good itself that episode itself was the hook for me it's episode four right that one that was the point at which i was like i i i will never see anything this good again because let you say it up until that point you don't even know what the show is going to be about you think it's just about this fission cloud and then you see this old man and he's telling the story and you're like oh i was wondering where he was what's going on and then that that fucking reveal holy shit it's something that we even see people older people looking at him like we if you go back and watch it now you can see them like yeah yeah it's so good it's a beautiful story that starts coming as well and it's lovely because there's so much stuff in the series that is slipped in there um and it's when they're slipping the dementia storyline and it's basically that woman is the only one who properly because obviously there were a thing she would know his face but yeah because she's got the dementia when she's mentioning about him it's like oh that's she's having an episode yeah and it's kind of beautiful that he keeps up his and erin like trying to bring her back and sort of like we can still have another go with this we can buy again because we can be young and start off and kind of like a love story isn't it like you strip away all the other parts like he is the reason this is all happening and the reason he's doing it is for lovers for her and for that daughter yeah which again which you never say kon but as you said Sonia when you watch it back for the second time you do catch things like you can watch it on you like those those things but the thing that threw me because like and again not to say it was a bad aspect like I've got thing one thing that I could never work out was like how he like was able to do what he was doing like during the day and stuff like that and then all of a sudden he turned it over by it until I watched it the second time I got I got the end bit again I was like all right they have to die to become the undead because they're still alive he when he got like attacked by the angel like when he was on his pilgrimage he didn't wasn't killed because the angel mustn't you to get him to come back and then he had that hemorrhage or that that kind of like fit where he died I think he making poison you know like the way vomit makes this thing it's convulsion it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like a tension because bev there's a theory I've been down such a rabbit hole about the theories right there's a theory that the reason Bev took a poison wasn't a killer dog it was to kill Pruitt oh right interesting yeah and the dog might have just gone into it at the same time maybe like I mean I think it's it's it's probably left open to our interpretation and we're all going to my sheep did it right because she's an asshole but well yeah because he questions things like he's not he's actually quite a little bit open-minded to more than what she will ever be you know where her values lie it's one road he kind of rears off it sometimes and he's empathetic he's empathetic he's stupid I love him you know he's probably one of my favorite characters he he's obviously an all of the other fun and diverse but I feel like he acts so well in this and there's one particular scene where I've forgotten a name sorry but the girl in the wheelchair goes to his house to confront him and she forgives him and oh my fucking god I was a wreck I'm keeping up now thinking about it because he's just so grateful and relieved but he's so devastated as well and you can tell there's a man that's never gonna forgive himself despite the fact that she's standing there forgiven him like holy shit but he's acting like oh I love him he's in Dr. Sleep he's in Midnight Mass he's in he's in everything he's in the house he's one of the groundskeepers yeah he's absolutely fantastic but we whole with the priest as well apparently all of them isn't it yeah because he's got people who need it and apparently the conversations when I was reading because again this reflects on my shenanigans variety the conversations within them are very real like people are so close or in a meeting like you think you were sitting in an actual one of how good they how good he's written it because you can tell he's been he's been he steps yeah I love I think those are some of my favorite you know what I say it's a very monologues heavy some of my favorite dialogue is the conversations during those meetings like it's just so again so real like it feels like you just like apply on a wall in an aiming no no I think I posted one of the videos on like on the socials of the initial meeting with like the father and Riley just because it's so like intense but also kind of invite you into that conversation as well which is quite nice so just what we've got to say lovely it's a great way to do a character like that because obviously he's been using like a second goal around that you see this a lot now in we get into a modernised version of Christianity and just because of his coming out is this thing of like no it's not everything it used to be the theory is right like the world is changing we've got to change too without compromise 100% of values but understand things are evolving and you see that from him of like this is his second goal and it's like we can't do it like we'll do back in the day it has to without now for us to actually do what we were meant to do is be in these good people reading yeah that's my bet just doesn't get it because you still way back into the dark yeah I was watching a really really good video today um of the the the comparing between religious groups and cults and where's that live yes that's not bad modern cults don't do it clearly the different the different the different the disclaimer one time exactly but the definition of the cult is not technically a bad thing not when you're comparing it to watch you know religious religion actually yeah i was gonna say a really good you give it a really good segway there because i genuinely feel like bev is the depiction of groups like the west rabaptist church where they take an idea and fundamentally change it to their own means and they forget the original meaning and i think bringing sheriff hissant i'm never gonna stop loving royal college but um he says it brilliantly when he's he stops talking about the bible and i love when he starts saying like of course we've read the bible because when waslam doesn't mean that we're like ignorant to other religion and that's the whole point right is like being aware of it all and it shows how small minded she is that she only knows what she wants to know yeah she always like inside like the bad parts of like the corong and stuff like like the violent parts of take on to violent books like with her in the bible and then she's the worst of what a cult can be because we all know jones town the branch of idioms they are the worst of what a cult can do cults are never found a look at we can audience via it but yes other cults are jones town the flamata which yeah she is the worst of cult and she's also the worst of religion as well so the religious aspect of it so she is what he is the best of what a cult can be and the way that he wanted to lead it's it was such an interesting interesting like take on both sides of it are you trying to say i'm like monster monster now cults are good on game look at how fast she was to hand the kulea out like she is definitely very scary thing wasn't the kulea it was when she changed the plans in order to open the doors that was that's the true thing she put war on her own on her own place and she's like it's like it's like these people aren't true believers they don't deserve and there's certain aspects like do that but it's not that word again though like deserved what riley's mum says you know like god loves my son as much as he loves you but for her it's the idea of it being something you deserve and she thinks she's buying herself into the top spot but there's no such thing and that's the best thing about what you said about the west bar about this judge you can't join them people because you regardless of even if you did everything they asked you to they would still find a way of being able to say you're not worthy enough no i didn't argue that point and she did exactly the same it was like it's like you're having fucked you because then you can't join us but yeah so i'm sorry one of the thing i wanted to like before we started like the big scenes and stuff but one of the things that i loved as well is the sweat and the bitch listen to the start time get wet wait the bitch it's just kind of you don't know they're like i had the wedding we had now it's basically whether you think it's gonna go one way and it takes you to complete the other the other the first time oh you thought you were in the expectation that's fine i couldn't get it out yeah that's what she said um uh let's take a review section um oh dammit i thought you were in the riley situation because we start off a riley we think this is going to be riley's story yeah you think he's a make-back to do it yeah yeah yeah so you and you think you've fallen in love with riley because riley is a broken character but he saw is i wouldn't say right but he's kind of like he's just trying to get by in a world where it feels like a little bit lost he feels like a failure and we've all kind of we really are already heavily too untyping not enough don't do them things but um and half like to a certain point you think he's going to be the hero that's where you think all the way through the short it kind of is but not in the way you're expect yeah absolutely i'm not gonna lie i was devastated i actually thought after what happened how can we continue without him yeah how without him i know i was quite lost for a few minutes and i was like oh it's okay we actually have other people who can carry this on it's not just on the back of his shoulders and i think that's not about the series nothing is held on the back of anyone's no it's because it's a community and i think what i love about this show right is this is symbolism like everything can be a metaphor for something else and there's a balance between everything so like the symbology of the community like i watched youtube short the day just randomly popped up i think probably because i've been watching a lot of midnight my stuff and then saying that mike blannigan had a huge argument with some Netflix guys because they said that um Riley should have a job there were like there's no way he would leave prison and not have a job lined up and mike was like absolutely not this is the man who is lost who has you know spent all these years trying to atone but he's done but can't forgive himself and there's absolutely no way he's gonna be on the blow i'm trying to get back into like lost skill right you know like he wants to go home and he wants to continue this journey and apparently they were really really mad they were like determined they're like she has to have a job it just doesn't make sense that's not ridiculous because we're watching him pick his life back up again and we don't want to see him going to do his nine to five and then trying to figure it out it just wouldn't hit us hard would it? no no no sorry Jess i think it's right though for his part of the story because i've seen he kind of is forced to have to go back home it's quite getting hit to that village yeah it's the lifestyle and everything that comes out of his okay scales character reds kind of turn it out to go see girls? katie's a gals um is some of my kids have been in my favourite month married with children so my mum can explain that and it's all been she was mike with left as well the childhood sweethearts and it's like why did you come back and why am i back and what life to go this way but i'm here hitting it and that was technically in a really sad way he just gets his comments in the end yeah it plays out and does get kind of as he deserves it's quite often what he thinks he deserves oh yeah you're right what he thinks he deserves yeah if i would sleep every night and he sees her and she oh no scenes are hard you know like when he's lying in bed and it does that hammer shep and he's just lying face to face when you can see that when you can see the japs in her it's the scene it's the it's the actual where it all happened it's the most harsh irons and everything flashing so it's so well done it's so well done beautifully from the boat at the end and he's looking at my friend again's wife and then it changes and it's back down here it's very much similar to the guy who shot the girl in the wheelchair where it's like you've got your resolution that's actually a good one but you've got your resolution in the end this is what you were always present to all yeah i always thought it was more redemption he was redeemed he was you know he didn't he did what he needed to do kind of thing but the thing is that the redemption was as Jess said for it was for himself it was for no one else anyone else had kind of moved on or probably forgiven him it was like he could not let that go himself but you know what like something that i actually love again and again i'm bringing a bachelor like that balance it's all about like metaphors and symbology what i absolutely love is the conversation that erin and Riley have about what happens when you die oh my god i don't know if you've noticed but the ways that it actually happens they switch places so he becomes quite quite a believer in that moment i think the redemption him seeing her it's like all very symbolic right where is for her it's very logic desk this is the end there's no going back this switch places they switch ideas but again it depends on the situation and what works for you like erin in that situation needed to be logically because and that sounds really dramatic the fear of the world was in her hands where him it was kind of like almost like a religious moment and again i know this really weird it was probably one of the most beautiful but brutal death things i was saying it's like within a split second because as just said like they're on that board it's almost like a romantic moment the you don't know what's gonna happen either yeah like did you guys expect that happen you kind of did because you when you said there's but vampires these the sun's coming up there's no way to hide there's no shit i just didn't know how they would show it i thought that was the thing and that's the thing that kind of reminded that it's a horror it's not just like i say this it's nicely drama thing so you get like the flip where you've got that moment where Riley's reaching out to the young girl who died and he didn't want like her to die and he's kind of and she smiled back like almost like he'd get that moment and you get poor erin who's just laughing at us as it's gone here so you have a whole other video and i watched it Paul i was just like why am i rewatching this as fuck yeah he's trauma but the fact that he took her in the middle of the water where he knew he couldn't get away couldn't get away he had to face it he was facing up to what he did he was forgiving himself at the same time and he was saying goodbye to the love of his life and then we're showing her as well because i feel like in a weird way it probably means an if we've done it on land she might have thought he'd done something like he doused himself in kerosy you know you know when all of that is he needed to see he needed to see it not that yeah like someone needs to see it firsthand and he kind of passes the torch over but you've seen it now you need to go literally he is the human torch on yeah one woman's and then just like flame on flame sorry we might run against wife is such a weird one um because i'm a conversation about this yes to the quiz and it's a weird story with her because it's yeah i think it's a wonderful hand because obviously it all surrounds miscarriage with her and what's happened and it's so sad when it's that thing of you know because of the vampire element it's disappeared so when she goes to the mainland you never were but you mentally okay but it's a deeper kind of level of that very awful thing for anyone to ever have to go through it especially in very early stages it's like there's nothing to mourn afterwards it just goes it just doesn't some people might not even even work if you try to speak to them like oh okay i didn't know that happened oh yeah the worst thing like at least it was early like no this is not the right way to approach this but i think that's something that's something that's one of the bad position once to leave yeah yeah it's quite interesting to see that term but i think that's right for her arc in the story is this she's been his massive loss that nobody else can understand because they all think that she never had this yes yes i think she's like do you feel like they did it on purpose because part of me feels like if that didn't happen i'd actually be sort of team vampire like you're almost like you know but wait a minute like you know miracles are happening it's doing all this good like it's not really killing it's it's only in paths which you know sorry something but you know it's it's doing okay but then hang on a minute actually it has caused this horrific thing to happen like it's not good and we needed that awful thing to happen in order to be able to say you know it's we get sucked in just as much as they do you know yeah i think it's brilliant way to do it too also pointed out that it's it's more of a virus than it is yeah because it is that things the virus that rejuvenates people back down to their healthiest state and i kind of got the guy from it was supposed to she's ended up at some point that vampire has got mirror and obviously logically what if this virus doesn't make it needs to make her healthy it's removed it just dissipate back into the blood well it's a thing with viruses as well if something if something like another body is there it'll attack that thing because it wants to be the host it wants to take itself so and i think she used the line as well and i thought it was so well done it was like it's taken some it's taken away from me it wasn't my choice and i think that was the whole thing again i watched a recap video earlier just to remind yourself about it in the mid honestly the minute it started on yet i remember everything don't really need to watch this um but it said that it didn't even it completely skirted over the fact of what it did to it it was just oh this what she what she had she admitted out that she'd been drinking the wine as well and it helped her get through the miscarriage because and i was like no i think that's right no i think the opposite you know what again and i'm gonna keep on some like broke record of the symbology in the people maintenance but what you've just said there out of iris the description of what it does is exactly how you could describe bev or occult like it's a viral right like it wants to be the host um so like yeah the symbology in the show is off the fucking rich to scale like yeah but how he does it to where you're not confused either because if you think about it there is a lot of shit there's a lot of stories going on with a lot of people and not once i use a certain egg on what the fucks are happening here who the fucks are what's this conversation about you don't do that because of how well he can pierce this out he actually originally wanted this to be a book right yeah he told me the idea of a film because again this has been with him since day one and then when he got the Netflix deal he went fucking no this is going into a series this act yeah it was it was so meaty as well there's so many different elements and yeah that's such a good word to describe it yeah that's gonna be stupid yeah well as you said when it leads up to all the different things that are aspects is you get your shopping moments you get the modes that you kind of almost like you celebrate like like rally and are getting closer and it's like everything's kind of building up and you're expecting like oh it's gonna be a show it's gonna be a happy ending but the way the brook like and you don't kind of expect the brutality that comes from the final episode because oh my god yeah it's just animalistic it's like well then it doesn't just leave it there because it's like using your imagination you know how well it is the half conversations about it's like that one guy who was turned to a shunter being turned and he's just devastated because he killed his family and children and his dislike like it's almost like you say that that need and not the hunger to not be able to stop yourself but then the realization afterwards that kind of like what the fuck have I just done and it's like yeah it's very reminiscent of John's town and when yes like saw initially the guests that themselves after yeah they were because they were taking it in sections so by the time it was getting to the end they were like these people had already seen their children oh by the time it got to them and the realization and devastation kicked and that's when people started fleeing oh but obviously didn't get very far yeah but it's so it's such a clear not clear but like a reminiscent of what happened to John's town you know you totally right I think that's what the show does so well is it takes a seam an idea and element but it also makes it reminiscent of something else and you're a bit of oh that's that's this but it's also it tastes like you know like yes vampirically we know that there's a loss to a blood we know there's a hunger to eat but the religious guilt of doing something that you think you're supposed to do and then thinking after what I didn't want to do that I wish I hadn't done that why did I do that that sheep woman tell it isn't it's like blindly following and then being like oh fuck afterwards but then you've got Henry Thomas who got sorry you've got Henry Thomas who comes out and is like I didn't do anything I didn't tell anyone but I think I chose the willpower of that family right because they all like you say it's they're true to who they are until the very end it's every one of them isn't there mm-hmm sorry yes I mean in the world I'm trying to work on it I lost your train of thought I'm sorry sorry yeah sorry yeah when you get towards the end it becomes the mass and it's like there's the ones that have obviously dragged the bullet and then it's all you have to go out find them you're going to have to turn them because we all need to turn at the same time because they like this is going to get dangerous the next day this has to be universal so everyone comes back at the same time and all the planning of the whole thing of like it's fine because we'll just go inside the church and we will now live at night and we'll be back to community logic all they've completely normal but we all have to be on the exact same page otherwise this doesn't work and again just take all the choice away but like the guy runs out just killed my family I'm sure it's fine they're gonna get back up and if you're gonna get back up and again like she's she's able to sort of almost gaslight the idea that murder is an all-longer murder yeah yeah when he kills the guy later on she kind of like it's okay this is fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's not like she's willing to cover up shit because of the bigger picture mm-hmm I've got to say like I know I'm jumping ahead but nothing makes me happier than her trying to dig a hole on the beach with her hands how true is that to her character yeah yeah yeah she thinks of all the details of her the desperation in her though as well she dies alone as well yeah I'm scared and afraid yeah yeah love it because even the odd job guy who's like a little sidekick who goes around doing like a business he even goes come with me kid we're gonna say the sunset I think I'm leaving yeah oh my god like that all of them singing like again just like holy shit the sense of community never leaves like even after all this shit that's not like they're willing to die together but this time in the right way not in the way but wanted you know that because they did all die together in that church but in a very different way this time it's choice this time they intrude and I love that that yeah yeah but I managed like I'm not saying that like I said I was happy during this show like honestly watching it back and watching the first time you kind of sitting there where you jaw open to send what am I watching when's the happy moment gonna think I didn't expect to be broken by the last line in this show and it like because you don't expect the comment and it's just so simply done and it's just them two kids on the bottom two that says I can't fail me legs and your realisation is like oh fuck shit there's a really good Adam and Eve there as well right like there the last two yeah and there's a theory for that is that she they did get because obviously the theory in vampirism is that if you kill them in vampire everything goes down they all go back so it looks like right now oh yeah yeah when she says that when she says that it's like when because erin kitty segal her character she her final her final player is that she slashes the angels yeah the wings so the idea is that the angel has gone it's white out burnt up yeah because she can't feel her legs anymore i agree with that i feel like that's canon i accept that as the end and the vampire is gone she no longer has the sacrament in it which is like she's walking off you do start to see it at the end because you see it's trying to fight with the way it's like yeah all over the place but it's happening at night it's all those are scratched there's no effort to hide now no one's let it take it in because everyone's now burning dead they say they're both church most the houses have gone but i thought we should do a move so wasn't it like let's go back to live in normally except we'll burn all the houses like where are you what what what what what what what what well that's again the two that type of logic and what the films if you've got the dark nights where the joke for some reason because right i'm gonna set bombs all over Gotham you all have to go on two ferries good guys bad guys let's do this it's like where's that good idea um but just it's just movie off like logic thing but okay because i just want to go back to the biblical times don't want to do the one she wants to be she wants to be because essentially bed wants to take over she wants to be later she had no intention of having one see one see one see no thank you a ship i mean that comes very clear like towards the end she's just like he's out and it's like i'm gonna be being following him in this all this whole time and then you realize she hasn't been following him she's been the means to an end for her oh absolutely but how amazing is it when he has that moment the shoe Sarah he's walking and flips it's just yeah that's why he's just and that's where we go back to our same with just before about being a love story like at that point the things that he'd come to do not belong to my dad because because Sarah was gone yeah and i love that she refuses it as well like i look again choice she chooses just like no this is how i die i die now like this is this is how it has to be this is reality this is how it actually happens there's an absolutely heavy religious faith story you have the scientist yeah the one that only applies to logic she's testing the virus and things it's just i don't know what this is yeah but it's not right no it's it's not funny when it's not funny there's a lot of amazing in this but yeah um there's an absolute magic moment between her and one scene and again it just comes out of nowhere as well as when he goes back in the church and she's pouring petrol and you expect a reaction and he just kind of lets his guard down going i'm so fucking proud of you uh it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like yeah that's my girl anything that is the control factor of air why she has all the houses trashed and stuff like that and it's like they only have the church to reside in i don't think she's more about the community center isn't she like that's her community section and they're they're that seat at the beginning of the series but they all call it bev's communities and because like they're like that's what the money was for she wanted it and it's not even used like it's like boarded up it barely gets used for the aiming and anyone knows the oculus uh yes on the stage and the community another part of the planning universe it's such a kind of little bastard isn't he yeah why everyone is a huge fan of what Mike Flanagan's doing is because he just somehow has this amazing knack to do the most tragic heart-rushing stories where i've kind of no one really ever gets a great engine i think it's like maybe your case no you're right but the all end beautifully it's beautiful because you're kind of not sat there like oh that was really bad they just killed all these characters like oh the old side so beautifully yeah i'm like i love this show this show is beautiful and they're like what about well everyone dies it's the same it's the same with the whole one in an hill house yeah into the role in the red room so what the fuck does that mean like did they all perish is the role together in the red room they want to go on off hill at here but there is a theory that the old's dead and that like that ending sequence where like he's sobering stuff is just not real but i don't know if i'm buying it that thing we are not i like the idea that it's okay but we have to come to come back at some point of hill house where i find the most beautiful it makes me absolutely fall every time i watch it and it's the groundskeepers oh trying to turn it back to the house to make sure it's out there and she's got the baby the one that they talk about that she lost and that's why they stopped staying in the house and i felt and just them forming like this is horribly tragic but really beautiful actually it might not be a good job because i think of finding the beauty and death and i think that we should be able to find beauty and death it's not a bad thing because death means that we've lived life and it shows that so well that's true to the way i put this that's even riley though like you know riley dies but on his terms and it's his choice and it's beautiful and yeah like it might be really good at that he's also really good at bringing the conversation of death into it because it's a conversation that people don't want to have what he wants to talk about but unfortunately it's the one thing that we all have it's a certainty yeah it's a certainty we talk about dying for years i'm going to talk about my father keeps saying it all the time he's gonna live forever and i'm starting to quite believe him but yeah he's bringing the conversation of death out because it is a taboo subject it's like you shouldn't touch that it's way too sensitive but their conversation between riley and kia is some of the beautiful ways of having a conversation with someone about death and it kind of give me a bit of a and i don't know if this is the right phrase to use given the subject matter but a woman for the feeling inside like but again kind of like how they are looking at it yeah kind of like it's a community feeling i mean i love to see it's the only one in mid-night master like i sit there and just bald when she sounds when having the conversation what they think happens yeah but i know it's obviously old focus on her child and she's like i think she gets there and my dad's there and my granddad and she grows up with them and she wait yes i'm sorry it's very psychological it's also so so so so illogical as well because that theory only applies if you talk about the afterlife is like a personal room that you go into that is only orchestral your mind because all these people you imagine are going to be there will also have their own concepts of what they want to see when they get there so it's just a mean thing that grandparents and you know you see grandparents in one way but you think they lived an entire life before you can care and they might not want you there i know that's a harsh reality they may have been set up exactly the way they get wanted you walk you through all gory's back just to come back to what sammy just said before that woman fuzzy phase that in essence is what religion is meant to be is giving you that kind of like reassurance that kind of like security that yes that people keep one saying about that fear and again that's the religious aspect that i again not even i can get aboard with but i can understand i understand well yeah i'm really quite envious actually of it i'm i'm envious of people who have religious faith but i feel like the biggest thing for me in that conversation and i love the conversation but what i love most about it is how respectfully i were for the other person's belief and that's what it should come down again with them sheriff asan it's about respect it's about understanding other people's beliefs and saying well i don't have that belief but i respect your right to have your belief yes i don't think with it like asan if someone approached him in a completely different way to what Beverly was uh Beverly was uh Beverly was approached him like and said this is the context this is what we want to do we want to look at all aspects of religion not just the bible he would have went yeah fine but the fact but the fact issue was like i'm better than you i know more than you this is this is why this is where they say you get like in the logaritha this is where the conversation kind of dies you can't have a conversation or one way a conversation why these conversations don't happen you know because we're just one the matterless to will just argue and butt heads and flop nicks out oh you can't even respect that you can never win an argument with people like that you just can't because they will always they will quote things in the bible that it won't even fit the context no what you are referring to but because they know the bible they know more than what you do yeah and then you and then you better than you look again to the symbology like and i know that like the show is more about religion than anything else but there's what's right for santa's about race as well you know like what he went through after nine other than how he realized that actually these people don't respect me and they don't like me they don't even trust me they think i'm you know because of the color of my skin and because of my religion that i am ultimately a terrorist and a bad person and he's met a million bevts you know but basically the island has one but first he sees her and he knows exactly who she is you know because he's had that probably most of his life absolutely i did go look sorry yes so i think there's one thing i find you know it's because you get in there is these lovely little parts of the modern side of this kind of religion now like we have it here and it's so weird that it's like a chal but i have never seen a school like this like when we book them in like i don't think there's going to be none's we're rulers ready to like oh no penguins there's no no it's no no it's no it's not me it's not me it's what's provident child too many times it and the blues brothers yeah child was the cutest child for his school and it is all about the children feeling comfortable being able to learn in where there is a place of all of them it is tiny there's only 200 kids in the entire school but they do a mass amount for this community around here it's constant food drives i mean just to all of them they had the kids everyone donated veginess and things like this massive girls would sue and it was for anybody to come in that just needed a warm meal and they've got the kids helping out bringing them the soup taking the plates away asking if you want something extra and as long as we just need to be un-agnostic because i can never pick one um me too too too.

I'm too shady actually i'm like what i'm gonna make a decision i can't make a decision what about road? um but it's even that and it's so weird so like that's the right way to do religion because really yeah i truly believe that. I think coming out of it was such a lovely logic but you know they're not coming in and kind of like let me tell you the word of christ and like you know i just really know i just really know i never felt like that at primary school either i i always get quite not emotional but like think back fondly of um harvest festival that felt like such a community thing that we did it wasn't a religious aspect it was more about our community and we would do these like we would do these like hampas for the elderly because we had a lot i have a lot of nursing homes where i live. There's a lot of death wearing that sami.

Yeah shiny roll. I've heard a couple of the North East um but yeah. No, just leave. No, we would do all these we would do all these like um food packages for people and it's it's not there anymore it's like it's gone.

That's the community and my community just it's fallen apart it's not there and but what i was going to say was the themes you talked about the theme of the thing and i went and had a look because i wanted to make sure what i remember from the show is what the actual themes were and i wasn't interpreted differently um fear, rebirth, the limits of human knowing the community breakdown of community and um oh gosh what was the last one? No that was it. the trauma. That was it.

That was it. A mystery list. Yeah. Unfortunately it kind of gets the pants at the end for the different decisions and the difference and things like this.

I've seen so many of them don't win realistically. And obviously, as far as a religious aspect goes a lot of these characters say you've had a guy who's paralyzed a child. you've had a guy who's drunk from the role that was killed ago. Technically, my funny guy is why he has that whole thing.

It's a birth, it's a movie in a birth outside, wide law, which every religion is not a bit. It's a sin! It's a sin. I don't know.

Two characters. I don't know. No, no, no. We don't fight Christian logic, and you've got a scientist.

Someone cut that. Not even a book, they all get taken out. The only two that do with the innocent kids, that they haven't done enough yet in life to have any form of penance, which is a very religious thing, is that the kids are innocent. I was a little bastard as a kid, so I thought.

I was a child born out of it. I was an ADHD child as well, so me too, actually, I'm a parent and I'm married. I have to say, though, I really like the concept, but I'm trying to think where his son falls. I'm like, I feel like in my mind, he's like perfect.

He's like, and to be honest, that death scene, when I pray on the beach, like, oh my god, my heart, it's so beautifully done. And it's the fact that all he wanted to do was, you know, pray with his son and his son, was like, you know, investigate and Christianity, and you could see the fear in him. And maybe that was his crime, was, you know, like, not allowing his son to make his own choices. Like, law for him, sounds pretty absolutely.

But I loved it at the end of the break, I thought. But all these, you can say that as well, because innocence died every day. So, if he could sound might have been an innocence, but he was one of the ones that sacrificed as part of the thing. Yeah, and we got to say, yeah, yeah.

The soundtrack for this program. I didn't even notice the soundtrack to be fair. I didn't notice the sound of neither until I read earlier what it was and it caught me high. It's all hymns, even the background music that's played when people are chalking, is all just hymns from church.

Just put that. There was no pizza, had to pick up a chicken and a pizza. Sorry. Church, you can't.

Let's back down, also. See? We had to sing that at school. We just sang it.

Carl, the flower was fluffy. Yeah, we had to read. Oh my god, my best friend sometimes got me a voice and all singing, all hymns from school, just to see if I remember. Wait, wait, wait.

I was talking about this though, because he never had, he never had, I didn't go to religious school, but we had to sing hymns. We had to go and sing hymns. The whole and sing hymns. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. On them. On them.

On them. On them. On them. On them.

On them. On them. On them. On them.

On them. On them. Yeah. Wait, I'm going to have to tell a story.

It's a sick story, but it's going to be a rant. Because you don't get to sit cross legs on them mats like these people are already dead. Yeah. I was sitting next to a kid.

I've pissed themselves and they wouldn't let move until somebody was over. So I was sitting in some of the kid's piss. I was fuming. Oh my god.

That's some trauma right there. I was going to end the school there. I'm like, oh, I'm not going to say that. Um, but yeah.

I was sitting next to a child. But you used to some Bob Moll. I used to have one love. One love.

I'm not going to run school. Me too. Sing Hossana. Oh my god.

Yeah. So give me all of my love. Give me three. Give me three.

Ah. Ah. But yeah, I remember a kid piss. I can hear it.

God. See, this is why kids are evil. Kids piss themselves and you've got sex with him. This is why the day is modern society is ruined.

We don't have enough hymns and girls. We don't have enough kids pissing themselves. We don't have enough pals sitting in piss. Yeah.

No, your piss. Oh no, mine. Mine. It wasn't even you on piss.

I've got done it. It's in the piss. It's in the piss and sing, Paul. Paul, you do tell some real stories on me.

That's all fucking true. Oh fucking true. It's probably just pay work over the kid. It's probably still to this day.

Every night when he goes to bed. Or just wait in bed. And then I'll creep you forward. It's like, I remember that time you pissed yourself in class.

No. It's like on the internet, someone told me about it. You just reminded us. You just broke a memory.

And I was like, it's just a real thing that happened. They're like, no, it's from dogma. It's the story about the kid pissing on her. And she's like, I never told anyone to come back.

Oh, I've told her well, Paul. All 20 people that will watch this video. It's fine. And then Chris just said, I was called.

I was naked. Were you there? Were you there? Please, please.

Someone put a tune to it. I was calling. I was naked. Were you there?

Were you there? No, no, no. I remember. I remember.

Yeah. So, so, I remember. Another little boy grew up to be late. Oh, bless.

I remember being so angry though. I was angry for tears. I remember going warm. I'm going to blame you.

I'm going to blame you. I'd be fear of previous. And they're going to be happy. I'm going to blame you.

It's actually not your own. It's actually not your own. You know what? You know what?

It's not your own. You know what the worst thing I've ever done with the world as well. Because I don't know people know this about schools. They've got spare underwear for people who have accents.

So, so I had to wear some of the spare underwear because someone had pissed themselves. And I fucking sat in it and my arse was wet. I didn't know that. I remember being in school and asking I got the toilet and they said, no, and I was willing myself to piss my pants.

Just to shoot me, teach them a lesson. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I didn't do it.

I didn't know. I didn't know that would have given me some new pants. So, you know what I would have done it if I'd not. So, you might, my auntie was a dinner lady and then turned a systems teacher assistant.

So, I would have just gone cry into me. And she was sorted out. Another weird one. Did Nina this type of shit happen to people when they were school kids?

Anything like that. The one shit themselves ones, but like not on a map. They're another kid. And it's important to sit in it.

They're like, they're very men. But anyway, like if it has a block of the foot round. So, that's good. I'm in one story about secondary school, but I don't remember anything about the happening in primary school.

I can't get fished by a teacher in primary school. In how defense it was a mistake. She was like doing this like gesturing wildly. And she was like, you know, taking it back to the carpet, you know.

And I was stuck in the behind, I was like washing my hands. And she went like that and just fall on wallopters in the face. I got Raw Burns, I mean, neck by a teacher. What?

What? What the fuck? It was dumb. It was dumb, actually.

It was like a jolky type thing. The teacher was teaching, I was like, do Lassos. Do Lassos? Say middle Lassos or Raw.

I was swinging around. And Lassani caught around the neck. Because I was swinging. They gave a Raw Burn around me throat.

So, I go, oh my god. Bless her. The teacher was devastated. He made his go.

He went, he made me parents after school and apologized. But it was a complete accident. It was one of those things. I got Raw Burns off a teacher.

Oh my god. I got pulled up a table by a French exchange teacher. Can you tell a bit of the story? I was closing the window behind you because of him in the classroom.

Yeah, got that bit sent on. But this is the thing, though. Like, even with him, we still had shit, school experiences. So it kind of proves that having a legend in school doesn't really change.

It doesn't. Having kids in school is the worst. So yeah. There's one of those things.

And I was going to say, I had a devolved to piston. It's usually shit for me. But the only thing I wanted to say was, I don't know if you guys knew that Raul Coley got really, really ill. So he, in his mind, decided initially that he wanted to share for Santa be quite fat.

He wanted to be quite chunky. So he acted a lot of weight on in a very short space of time. And then filming was meant to begin. But then Covid hit.

It was literally, it was like May 2020. And they didn't end up starting filming. So we had to keep this weight on him, which he wasn't expecting to keep on for so long. And then he got Covid.

And he was incredibly unwell. I think he got hospitalized. He had to lose the weight. He had to lose the weight.

He was like, my body. And he said he didn't get it properly either. He was just like, right McDonald's, right. Ice cream, right chocolate.

I got it. Yeah. I feel like there's only a certain handful of actors who could really get that like method. But it's because the year tree and themselves so well to do it.

Matthew McConan here, and Jared let over does that. Oh, God. Oh, God. That was scary.

I'm seeing Bill in the machinist. Uh-huh. Then you've got the reverse. I'm Jared let over.

But I feel like these people, I feel like you've got to be. They do it properly. Yeah. Yeah.

And then if he was like, I did not do this properly. And then he said, like after he was really unwell, he had to get like personal trainers and be like, right, get this off me. Yeah. I am all well.

One thing. I can't imagine why you want to go down that road. Yeah. I think he's done a full U-turn now.

He's like, yeah, no more method active. It's not worth it. No. One thing I did love about my Flanagan and the decisions he makes.

Because this could have been like a three, four, even a five-season arc to get like to certain aspects. And he does it with everything he's done. Like, because he doesn't oversteeze. Well, I think the office was only three seasons.

And stuff like that. It was actually two seasons and a crystal special. So it wasn't like that series. So it's kind of like leaving people wanting more and not like kind of like, oh, this has gone shit.

Oh, this has gone bad. About like 15 seasons of supernatural when it could have been done in six. Oh, honestly. It's worth all 15 seasons.

Well, then. It's a good thing. I mean, no, but that isn't that's... And also it's not rushed either.

So for all, we're only getting seven series of seven episodes of this story. There's nothing in there that's rushed. No. We need to get here now.

We need to do this. No, I know. I know. It's now beautifully.

I know. Phil is well. There's no. Phil episodes.

Right. Yeah. It's pretty big. That's born either because this is the thing, right?

So many shows rely on dialogue. And I, ADHD, brilliant, gets so quickly bored. I just don't know. I'm on my phone.

This, like I said, I put it on the second monitor. I was playing the band in the ViserCon. The other, which is just a really basic kind of like, you move left up, right? Like it's a very play to chill.

So I was playing that and it got an episode two and I closed the game. I was like, there's no... There's no... You know, like, and then obviously watch the next day.

We've got to watch this fucking show. I get that. I totally get that. I'm going to try to easily get bored and press play on episodes.

Yeah. It's the very watchability of it. So, and then we started watching it again. I think about eight months ago, we got about halfway through and then we unfortunately ran into other shows and I was like, yeah, that's what she is instead.

But we do that a lot actually. We're like, we've got so many shows we haven't finished and he gets mad at us for as well. No, we just see it. My brain, I'm just like, I'm like, right next.

And then I move on to something else. But this, I just could not stop listening. I could not stop paying attention. I could not stop feeling such like intense emotions.

And that's why I love this show so much because it never fails still, despite relying so heavily on dialogue. Yeah. It's not just dialogue though, because I think just in the dialogue aspect is not just changing it, but visually, these shorts. It implies nothing happens yet.

You're right. No, no, but visually, absolutely camera work with the effects to use and like even like the little, like did you say miss or so well done? Anything that Mike Frany can think of when we talk about Dr. Sleep.

Visually, everything is so pristine, is so beautiful. Like the tones, the colors, everything is just magical to just even that's a face for the eyes. It is. I feel like the color of the island itself, it the colors are bleak, right?

And the idea of an island with a population of what? 131 people like that would be bleak as fuck, you know what I mean? Like it's so good. And I love like how the characters all wear like bleak pale colors until they start getting younger and then you start getting these pops of color put into them.

It's so clever. And I think one of the things that a lot of people didn't like about the show was the aging, because some of them you can clearly say aren't that old, but you didn't know yet. Oh yeah, the mama. I didn't want to use CGI and I respect that.

You know, I respect that. You know, I respect that you some only see these people getting younger as the show progresses. The mama dementia. You're like, yeah, you are not a brain.

My brain was like something not right with this. I didn't care either, because it's the authenticity of it all. And the fact that he's not relying on something else to be able to tell the story he wants to tell. I think like Benjamin Button where like it's very clearly CGI, you know, like obviously the honey is it because it's a film and whatnot.

But I feel like actually just having someone in a gray wig and then having their hair slowly get blown. No, it's just a really nice touch. Like there's a video on YouTube where you can actually watch like it's like sped up and it'll just show you like a person's like the aging process. It's so cool to watch.

But it's one back to all. It's one back to all Hollywood. It's one back to using mini-glove as a way to be able to just be age and deage. Practical facts.

Exactly. Hey, exactly. We all love going to say it. Always win.

Always stand the test of time, don't they? And I think they show will as well for me. Yeah, 100%. It'll always be that.

But some, hit it up on your own. No fun, go on. I think I'm seeing, if you bet my funny, I was six too. It's made as a show as just one season.

It is enough because to me, it's like they're like novels. If you can't then come back. And it's like they went into the second season. You'd be like, it's like any other TV throw.

These are like beautiful books that you get to visually go through. And you style everything like a book as well. It's all so descriptively done on the visuals and the dialogue. That it is like reading off the page in a sense.

And it suits his style so well. I think, I don't know whether it's still happening. I'm sure it's Stephen King next to him. He's going to do this.

Yes. He's going to do this. I think he did Usher. He's doing, I'm going to regret closing my laptop now.

Because I had to write down, he is doing In Other Stephen King. Carry him. It's cool. No, it's not.

He's not doing it on a tower. No, he's just, he's just getting carried. But I think this is his Amazon deal. And I think this is what he's going to be doing is the Stephen King, is the Stephen King universe.

But as part of his Amazon deal, because he started to carry was one of them. There was another one as well. But he's doing the Exorcist as well, isn't he? Yeah, the Exorcist is about supposedly.

But yeah, I've got to write down that. I'm sorry. But like someone, I'd love to see it done like, I wish I was done it. It's the most stories that are made into one connected.

Yeah. The rooms be getting the take. I actually love that. I thought I'd show it as well.

You know, like I've had a lot of questions. It's like anything, I'm sorry. I think I can try to show it. Oh, she could be confusing.

If you weren't a horrible goth like me as a kid, he was reading that, I'd rather fall. Very quickly, like, Oh, right. They're all the poems. Just given to each other.

Embodied, yeah. Sorry. I'll call you that as well. Amazing.

I love this storyline with the cat. It's the whole thing about bloody cat is funny. Yeah. Yeah.

You know what? Like, calling off-color, but the bet of obviously the actress, she's in House of Usher as well. And her death sequence is one of the most cinema things I have ever seen. Like, I literally went whoa.

Like, I never say words that loud. I don't know much as to put it. It audibly made me go, whoa. Like, I had to pause it.

I was like, that was fucking insane. But I think that's what Mike Barnigan does so well, is like, he creates sequences that stick with you after the fact you're still thinking about what you've just witnessed or what you've just seen. And I feel like that, what you're just saying about novels, that's what you're doing with a good book, right? You get an extension and then you put the book down and you put the book in the freezer.

And you're just like, like, you're just like, Oh my God, like, what just happened? What did I just witness? Usable thread. It is scary.

And it is the life of Chuck. It's part of his absence and deal. Okay. I knew that Kerry Wong was announced a few days ago.

The Exorcist was, I don't know if he said he's doing it, always writing something for it. But I think he might be writing the treatment for it because of what happened with the shit, believe it. Yeah. I'm intrigued.

What did I hit that? Is he? Is it going to be a show? Kerry, is it going to be a TV show?

Yeah, TV, no. But I'm hoping it's because the book is kind of like, everyone's story of what happens. So everyone's things. Respective.

Respective. Yeah. He's a different, that's how he goes down. I mean, I'm interested because because these stories, sorry, because these stories he's been doing, like again, not saying that they're not well, they're not well known stories.

They're probably bringing back like all the Gothic novels or Edgar, or if he's going to handling something like a more modern tier like a saving king, that's going to be the test. That's going to be the interesting things. I've always done, like I said, the movie in Dr. Sleep.

But again, Gerald's way as well. Yeah. Gerald's game was really good. Also like there's a D-Glove and Sainen that, that's right.

He loves D-Glove and Ray. Yeah. My father can just mirrors D- Glove and- I think- But don't say it's Breavers, Curry, because Curry's going to have a lot of people looking at him now. Like, Curry's a game changer.

Right. Yeah. I feel like it absolutely right. It is the one, because it's the one Stephen King movie I think we can all agree was done.

You can't change it. That's the- Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. Definitely. There's not room for maneuver on it. So I feel like, I feel like he has to go down the boot route, or he reimagines his version of the what we've already seen.

I don't know what the- I was going to- If I was going to be- Curry's, do the great of seeing how to start, rather than at the end. Oh, that's the moment though. I love that. But yeah, the boot is- It's not the biggest of boot, because I can see how we can do it in- It's- It's kind of an episode- I think I'm interested to see how he's going to do it.

In any episode, well, do what's he going to fill in for you in episodes? Because- I just said it- There's so much, because the relationship between Curry and- What's that face? That's very different. There's a lot- There's a lot- There's a whole dialogue at the end of that movie where they tell the part that we speak to each other.

And it's some of the most beautiful things that Stephen King's ever wrote is their conversation, and their understanding of where they stand with each other. And Susan L, that's it. I did an episode of Curry, not long ago, that's why it's all still- I was going to say that makes a lot more sense. He's got a prime deal, because it was like, that's where the horror was watching the three.

They've got a documentary on that, which is like, greatest moments in horror. It's really new. Just fine watch that. I watched it.

It's very micro-atlantic and centric. It's meant for him to be- And his wife is one of the main people they're talking to all the time. There's a whole Stephen King section in one of the episodes, and they're talking about carrying like- There's things they missed in the movie. I told these and I said, right now there's a lot more sense for it.

It's just very micro-atlantic and centric. Can I get a prime deal? Ah, ah, ah. I think it's- Just a- He's going to be doing the Stephen King group, just to throw it out there.

And I wouldn't be upset if he did this as well, because I think he's got storytelling and characters. Just stand by me. Oh, no. You can't- Why?

Why? Everything's- It's like one of my favourite films of all time, like the idea of being retouched or remade, or no, you can't. That's- I would be interested in seeing a different talent of that now. I think- That would actually make that that hasn't been done.

Yeah, I'd prefer something like- Yeah. It's been before all these like the smaller little ones that he's done that no one's picked up. Yeah, it's like- There's a lot of remakes, but I don't need remakes. We need everything else to be looked at, bring something new for people to do.

It's called that new one. It's called the modern for books. No, I don't complain about remakes. Because everything's a story that's in essence been told a million times before.

Oh, 100 times. It's just- It all comes back to Star Wars. Yes. And it goes like far far away.

But yeah. So to round up as well, again, I normally would ask it, or how would you follow up with this one? I don't think it needs to follow. And it ended perfectly.

And it doesn't need anything prequel before, or after- In essence, as Jess said, it is a perfect book. I don't think it needs a sequel or it needs anything to do more. Which is unusual. Because again, something so good.

You're clamoring for more. But for what we got, I think it leaves just the right amount of nice tears in the mouth. It doesn't leave- It's that thing of versus having a really nice meal if I'm satisfied and then went to all- eat meal and end up putting sick afterwards. The seconds when you shouldn't really ask for the seconds.

I think of the good meal. It's a cup of tea thing. It's exactly the same theory as what you've just said. It's the- You've made the greatest cup of tea in the world.

You'll never be able to follow it up. So don't fucking bother. You'll never be able to. We do.

I wish I liked tea. Can't say me. Go ahead, cup of tea. Oh yeah.

Just- Just- So, Sammy, what's happening tomorrow night, lovely lady? Tomorrow night is a different episode from Monsters Up North. We're not doing a movie. We're doing spooky, true crime.

Spooky. So, what- Oh, and I don't know if I use this one more trick. Yeah, trick-a-1 in advance. The first half is a boutrant crime.

There's nowhere from it. We talk about it in depth. The second part is the spooky, true crime, where we look into cases that have taken place in Halloween. Oh, cool.

So we do end it with something- And it's not something that we've died into, because again, I don't particularly want stuff like that, that's it in the mibrand for too long. I still haven't gotten American Psycho out of there. So don't particularly want to die either. So yes, tomorrow night, spooky, true crime, Monday, YouTube, and the audio for that episode.

Any episode that's come out this week will be available on Tuesday. I think it's only us in- So, there's only two episodes of you- Us in Monsters Up North. That's an easy Tuesday for me. I believe the Women of Nerd culture have a new episode going out this weekend.

They're doing sci-fi. So again, if anyone wants to send Sarah back a video of you just seeing what your favorite sci-fi character will add your video to the episode like they did with the vampires, it was quite interesting because I said you shouldn't be like Colin Robinson and Chris was like, he likes Colin Robinson. That's just shows you what Chris is like. That's what Chris is like.

What is Colin Robinson again? And energy's in vampire. Yeah, that's it. There you go, Chris.

Yeah, you're boring, twat. Let's tell the people what we're doing on TikTok before I forget What we're doing on TikTok? We're doing anything on TikTok. I don't know.

I think we've got plans we're going to do trying to do a TikTok live for when Agatha finishes the season. It says, for now you're back after this week. Because it gets to us. Yes.

So instead of doing that sort of the podcast, we're going to try and do a TikTok live with all those hips, the kids and stuff like that. So yeah. Let's start your role to join the kids. Getting down with the peeps.

Sorry, you were going to say a TikTok room, my apologies. I just got TikTok on the minute. You said that and I like had to bite my tongue to knock shucks, give me riz and now I'm saying anyway. Please, I only just learned what the fuck that was last weekend.

And I was so confused. I still don't know what it is. I don't know what the top grump says this week. I don't know if they've had, I think it's a zombie film, I think.

Someone from a zombie film that we turned into living dead. I'm not sure. It'll be shit. It's fine.

But I think it's on a Tuesday. It goes up every Tuesday. I don't know what track it is any track. And on this week for us, we have a special Halloween episode that will be going out during the day on Halloween.