Hello and welcome to the nerdy of the podcast. I'm your horse Sam and I'm Paul and this is episode three. I couldn't talk then I got a bit of stage right? That's right.
And it does so this week episode is all about Falcon and Winter Soldier. Yes. I'm going to dive right in. I thought we'd give a talk just because I'd say it's a big Marvel release rather than doing a top five this week.
We've both got quite a lot of opinions and with it ending on Friday, we thought trying to see how we both have been very pushed with each other. So there's been no time for our message and each other. And so... Not like one division.
Not like one division where I was texting everyone and the dogs saying this is a man's like well yes. Mavisto! You know what I'm going to add in and just like put a drawing in the background just on like the whole thing. The zombie at the end corner.
That would be really cool. So yeah this week's episode is just solely focusing on Falcon and Winter Soldier. And I have this synopsis from the interwebs and I'm going to really I actually have a lot of notes on YouTube looking down. This is why.
So it says Falcon and Winter Soldier are a mismatch duo who team up for a global adventure that will test their survival skills as well as their patients. Wow. That's the synopsis from the interwebs. Well I did hear rumours this is like going back always just after the announcement of the shows that like about the writing process for all the shows.
Everyone came out and said one division was like the story of everything was planned on Perfury. This was the good thing said about Lorg. The big thing that everyone was talking about was how much of a mess Falcon and Winter Soldier was in. The writing rooms.
So that doesn't surprise me with this synopsis. No it doesn't. Not even that but I did. And this was one of my points in one of my notes was that this was heavily affected by the pandemic.
Heavily affected. There is scenes and story arcs that have been removed from it because they couldn't finish filming. And it kind of took a huge chunk out of it. What that affected I'm not a hundred percent sure.
Yeah. Apparently it was like different different scenes extended storylines extended arcs and it was just heavily affected by the pandemic. But now you say that kind of makes sense to us a little bit. Because for all I really did enjoy this but loads of reasons.
I also have a lot of reasons why I can understand why a lot of people didn't like it. For me I was more frustrated with it. I think it didn't help the fact that it was a shorter run than Wondervision. Like the five episodes.
I know everyone saying it's an extended movie. It's like a five on a movie type thing we've broken down. It didn't feel like that. No.
Oops. Again, I can say we're going in a bit more detail. Same to you. I enjoyed aspects of it.
Not as much as I wanted to. And I know we shouldn't compare to Wondervision because it's an entirely different makeover of a short one. But I loved Wondervision. I found Wondervision frustrating but in a good way.
Well this I was kind of scratching ahead of times. I think the big thing with Wondervision I kept your guessing and most of your guesses were wrong. And I love that. No, mostly your guess is wrong.
I guess. I back up. I got a little tip that we spoke about. I didn't get a lot wrong.
I don't think I got many things wrong. I actually, I'm not thinking that through as sideways as a most character. Yeah, you did not get a lot wrong on this mind. Like from the little tip bits that we spoke about, you didn't get a lot wrong.
There was a lot of things. And I'm not going to use the word forced or pushed. I do believe that Marvel had all good intentions. They just went about it in a long winded way.
And we'll get into it as we talk on but a lot of things were long winded. Dialogue was long winded. Yes. I think that would describe the show in a nutshell.
It's a show of speeches. There's so many different, even if it's like a 10 second speech or anything. Felt like a speech or not. Use the word patronizing but kind of like getting your point.
Or then just one. This is the point. This is you need to know. How's my point?
Have it in your face? I get that totally. I just want to point out as well that obviously these comments are opinions are our own. And if you do disagree with them, that's perfectly fine.
Please strike up a conversation with us. Yeah, strike up a conversation with us. We love talking about an individual. This is the reason why we love fandom's roles because we love having that debate with each other.
And things that you don't like. The main story of part of a Winter Soldier is the flag smashes. And I want to smash me face off the flag smashes. I want to smash me face off the table.
That's an even being called that. That's a thing. Me and Nick talked about that this morning. Like as you said, the whole aspect we thought the show was going to be about was the flag smashes.
And I didn't find the premise really interesting. But that kind of fed like faded away. I'd become like a backstory to everything else. That was one.
And the conclusion was just not very fun to that. No, it wasn't. And it was actually resolved what they wanted with a very long speech at the end. Which why she couldn't do that in the first place is beyond me.
But what gets me about them is why the soldiers, why the soldiers, why that? Why did they have to use that in order to get their message across about the it was the immigrants. Wasn't it people who would have made immigrants on the back of the snap. Why did you need the soldier serum in order to get that point across.
That's the bit I don't quite understand. Is that just to bring the witness soldiers passed into play? Or was it just so that there could be a force against like say a falcon and went to Saudi and I said now the US agent. But that would, yeah, there's aspects.
I don't want to text Sean again. I know Sean, I'll show him that link. I know this because he's saying they payed up the more than me. But I said, I don't want to just smash the shorts here.
This is what I know. No, I don't. But I have questions. I do have questions about it.
I can say that the more I think about it, the more I've thought about since I've since it ended, it's like the film of disappointments. I know it's like Marvel go wilder, fucker, I hear you just some sort of guy. But I think a lot of people fell that way and from the feedback I've heard from other people. It's kind of like, we were promised so much.
And even an example of what division moved on the story of the Marvel universe. It kind of took you to a different place and you think, oh, this is exciting. Yes. Yeah, definitely.
It's that advanced Marvel into the next stage of Marvel, which is obviously going to be the multiverses and it's going to be expanded into the cosmos and the cosmetics and the magic and the, you know, it's it's it's showing you where we're going to go. This just was a point to get some in that suit. Yeah, but you don't know that's the point. Different ways.
I get that. So that's part one of the parts I loved about the show the whole. Like the angst of not wanting the show, the reasons why you didn't want to show like and that's going to be rich from Eastern exile, probably never understand what some were being like said, like being white. But the portrait that really well, like say that was quite touching and like that.
The only thing I would have probably done differently, I would have extended the start and have an on and on and on and on and on over the show rather than just giving away the first episode. Like making the choice and then giving them understanding the choice rather than it's to the end of the season to understand the problem. Yeah, and I think they've been a massive part of these decisions. You can't know.
I mean, this is how I was thinking about doing this going through each character. Okay, so we'll start with Sam and Bowie and then I'll randomly pick other ones. But yeah, we'll start with Sam and Bowie. I think the reason why we got out on Windows 100 the first place is because how well these two work together and it was completely evident in it.
The chemistry between them is going real. It's magic to watch them. And I think with Sam, obviously Sam's journey is going from point A to point A to point A to point A being who he is now, point B being Captain America. Bookies on the other hand was it was it was almost like a healing journey that he needed to do.
I was the fan of that. Bookies journey initially was the interesting one and at the end, I kind of flipped and I was more interested in Sam's journey a little bit. But again, with the show, I don't know what they wanted from both of them. They didn't know if they wanted like a buddy movie, if they wanted like an astronaut, if they wanted to be all out of action.
It just kind of it felt like I wanted to be like a lethal weapon but feels. Yeah, I get that. I did stick with the espionage thing because that's what I loved about Winter Soldier. It's stuck with that thing throughout.
I think you would have had a very different show but it was a perfect way from because we've seen we've seen Bookie at his worst. We've seen him at what we think is his best but you don't get to see the middle part and I have enjoyed watching him progress and grow and actually take on board what Sam's saying. Because that's what Sam does, doesn't he? He's a counselor.
He was a counselor for Armed Forces like for Armed Services. And he's like, you said it was a major from PDSC and he needed you to do that. I'm sorry to cut in there but it's not a perfect point there but the episode where Sam's show was Bookie the Light was fixed with a speech. Again, I know everyone needs a switch to the thing but it was kind of like, okay, force and form a little bit fair enough.
Then after he said that, he knew what was going to happen with Bookie at the end. That was evident. Yeah. But the third book he'd have realised that by himself rather than having that.
Have it explained to him. Yeah. Oh no, I get that. But I did think that bit between the two of them was really powerful.
There's a lot of it in there that was really powerful and a lot of lengthy dialogue but there was some bits in it that I just give it. I even think about it gives it chills and that one, I really like that because it was the chills and being completely in order to be honest with each other. Yeah, that was quite a nice moment. Like, where you thought that was where it was natural for my fault.
Yeah. That's why I thought that was more comfortable. But not to exit the thing with that part of the shore, which threw me completely off the shore straight away. It was so big, it's almost like the film that's out of order.
Because they had some Bookie talking and throwing the shield about catching it like Edad, doing the sun. Then I realised that after that, yeah, I'm going to be captain of Merigam, I'm going to train. And we'll move into a Robbie Montage of Sam forgetting how to form catch the shields. It's like, we're there.
You're flinnin' out of your head off trees, it's a catch on the left arm right arm. Now, it's, you're nearly destroying the house. You've got little kids running about, you could kill the fucking kids. That was a good book to go on.
Exactly. Let's get into the shield a second. But just because the shield was its own character in this, in this programme, it was its own standalone character because it was great importance to everybody. But the shield got destroyed at the end of end game.
So how, how was it reamed? Because that's not the original shield then. Yeah, my understanding is when Steve went back in time to fix all the storms and stuff. Do you have the shield then or do you just start getting ready?
Yeah, any shield was with him when he came back now. That is a question mark I have down on the shield is how was it remade? I don't think it was remade. It could be like...
It could be like the original. It could be original. It could be like, but Steve got his hands on the original. He could have to close.
Like say, so again, Marvel's normally the king would continuity, but yeah. That's the one thing and I'd be interested on people's thoughts on that because maybe I'm just overthinking it. But the shield, how was it remade? And so yeah, it wasn't, that was a huge putt of importance throughout the whole of this was that shield.
Everyone, everyone wanted it. And John's attempt at the end was hilarious. Yeah, I felt sorry from the point where I said when he saw it, I was like, I think it was a pitch online. So John's the Google search when I said, how do you make a shield?
How do you make a shield? How do you make a shield? Which is vibramium. And so that was quite huge because even this service all this stuff, he wouldn't be able to, um, watch it.
He's my thoughts on John's shield because John's shield is... We'll move on to John in a minute. But I'll give you my thoughts on his shield. So I don't think it's had anything to do with the fact that he wanted a shield for the same respect as he had the last time because obviously that is made of vibranium.
Very different. You would never be able to remake it. John had his medals stuck on the back of it. Yeah.
I generally believe that it was there as a reminder because it was a speech between him and his friend when he said, you know, that give us a medal and it reminds us of the worst day of my life. But it's the worst day of his life. It's the reason why he does what he does. And the reason why he is a soldier for.
And I think he wanted that reminder as he was going into this fight, that this is why he does what he does. He's trying to convince himself that he is an actual good guy. Yeah. That's my thoughts on it.
I can't be computer. Oh, good. Sorry. That's fine.
I'll be one of the likes of John in a moment. As you said, the last ex-elects here with that. So I thought it was when you've done a game like this. It might be what you said before with the pandemic effect.
Could put it in touch. Just to finish off what you said about the code of the shields itself. Even in the comics, it's always been simple. That thing.
I think that will, they hand it out as well with the, I can say the fact the end with the kind of the end. Kari and Sam walked the shield. But basically when she was one of the five, but it's busy, her tucking not Sam. But this symbol that he represents.
And that was basically what she wanted to fight against. But I think the whole symbol of Captain American stuff, like even through like Avengers, like say when you got the people at the end when it's on the level, Montage video and sort of like all the kids drawn, the shield of drawn. That was always the important thing. That's the sign of the hall.
And I know you never addressed it during the show, which was a big shock to me, was what happened to Old Man Steve as well. Because I'm sure in the trailer, there was like a funeral scene or thing. And I would say that was one of the things I was saying when we were going to see Steve's funeral. Because he's not even mentioned really.
No, he's not. It's like just Steve's gone. Where's Steve gone? There's a time in town.
The ground. Like tell us. Yeah, because if Steve, because if Sam had so much doubt about himself, he would think I know who he's have to give Chris Evans shit a lot of money. But just to have one saying to Sam, say and look why and Sam then say to say something just to say.
And not because of this, not because of that. Just because, like say, you can bring us all. That would have been like say, saw one in your mental for the short. That would have just like grown from there to there.
Oh, just to not have a short about Captain America. Not happily referenced what happened to her. Yeah. You wonder, I know I get what you're saying.
Because now we now, as you know, at the end of the program, which I've got to get to Chris one thing about it, it changed the title from Falcon to Captain America in the Winter Soldier, which I personally loved. I absolutely loved that. But you can't go into a new Captain America without Well, for me anyway, I would like to know what happened to Steve. I really generally want to know what it's Steve, have a good life.
Like I know he kind of hints at that. You just talk a bit about it, but did he die happy? Like is he dead? Is he in a, like I do?
I do. I think it's still around. That's the thing. So I know it's Steve.
Yeah. That was one thing. But again, I touched on what you just said there. Like say, I thought that was a nice touch.
Ended it quite well with this. So I think they announced the next deer that the movement of production for Captain America for me. Oh, no me. They announced it the same day.
Because I got an email come through. Saint Captain America. Captain America for confirmed. And I was getting, oh, you've got to be in the cameras.
So I hadn't even watched the other sword. So no, it was the same day. I said, I'm too bad to put this on now because guarantee I'm going to get another email shortly telling us something else that's happened. That's progressing there.
The storyline on somewhere else. Yeah. There was a few websites on Facebook that the bar would want to follow just for posting pictures. And pretty much the same day, which I thought was going to put.
They cannot help themselves. They get, I knew what was in that box. I knew his costume was going to be, you know, comic accurate. I knew it.
I was so comic accurate as well. It was a comic book. I know Marvel have, I went quite, quite complicated or the way from it to a little bit, which as well as well, but I wasn't expecting it to be so. It was so comic book related.
I wish I actually have Captain America issue one with Saint on this Captain America. And it's somewhere under the bed. I wish I'd actually got it out of getting it out. But it is so comic accurate.
And I knew it was in that box. And I knew I was going to say it. And I knew I was going to say it. I got goosebumps when he walked out and it.
And what I didn't like was my comic book friends who forced it straight away. I'm like, look, I'm going to book accurate. And it's like, oh my god, just give people a chance to watch it. The only thing I was disappointed with the outfit, like say, I looked at look, I did like it, but when they're coming from Wakanda, I was expecting some from Snazzy Wakanda tech.
Because like, say the wings are probably made of Ibranean, but the whole outfit just looks like a normal outfit. Hang on a minute. He managed to deflect a helicopter off his wings by simply putting it over his head. Are you look, what else are you looking for?
Have you looked at Black Hunters outfit? Look at that. Look at that. Black Hunters outfit and Kilmongers outfit.
That was fun. I was expecting. Where did I see that? I'm not doing nanotechnology, but at least rather than like, say just the jumpsuit with the red, white, and blue.
Where did I see that the other day? And it was, you know, the Absorbent where you're like, you can absorb something and then he use it against whoever he's fighting. Oh my god, it was Mortal Kombat. I haven't seen that yet.
I haven't seen that. Sorry. Oh, you're going to, you just need a message when you're finished because I actually really enjoyed it. Um, but yeah, I'll give you what you say, but he did manage to deflect a helicopter off his wings.
That was impressive. The fight sequences in this from start to finish were amazing. The fact that they managed to bring um, George, George, George, St. Pierre, again and again.
Yeah. That was, that was such a great touch. And you've said this a few times that you like callbacks. There was a 101 callbacks throughout this whole thing.
And he probably was the biggest one because he, the minute I was. I don't know. The biggest one for me was the car. The chair.
That was the biggest one back with air. And so I was in the back with the back with the back with the back with the back with the back with the back with the back. And you're not going to move forward. And he just looked, you know, that's what I love that.
But that's what I think I'll do brilliantly. Then the little touches and the little things. Yeah. I might notice and talk about things that you don't notice as well.
I know you've looked into like a lot of these things. One of the things that we, me and Nick just watched and noticed them. It was quite a, it's, you don't think about it because it's a standard. It's when salmon eyes aches in the back garden at the end and they're just starving and eyes aches in the garden.
He just picks up his foot, his three, he was handed his place and he's like, it's like that should be a human pain shouldn't have picked that up. But they don't even make reference to it. And it's like, it's so well done. I didn't even notice.
Um, so yeah, I did pick up another. And I'll get into the little tidbits later. Uh, because this is very, the super, very comic accurate and even some of the characters in there that you might not be aware of, if you're not a comic book reader. And actually our superheroes and everyone right.
And not just the obvious ones. So we'll go on to John. John, who I played by Wyatt Russell, who looked exactly like his daddy. Has such a big, large, large, large, huge information.
I'm not using it for me. Really? Isn't it? I had the biggest person called the horn.
So I still have a massive crush on. And I couldn't think of purpose. And but Wyatt is, he was fantastic. He is, I posted a meme on the group chat today and it was welcome to be the, you know, you're such a good actor.
We all absolutely hate you in this character group club. He was, he was brilliant. I really did enjoy his character. I enjoyed it.
Because I hate it so much. Um, because he was old, but douchebag. I think he was known best. Like, there was a thing I saw, I think someone wrote.
Whenever I stayed for introduced himself, he would never say I'm Captain America. So you like, when Wyatt basically John, he wouldn't say hi, my name is Johnny. Say hi, I'm Captain America. So it was kind of like the title was, was an over.
I mean, that's what I'm working on. I think, I think this explains Steve a lot as well. And because the, the soldier, what's it called? The soldier serum.
The. I can never think of the name. Um, I want to say super soldier serum, but I don't know if I'm wrong. All right.
I think that's, we are absurd. It was always the super soldier serum. Um, I'd like to say if anyone else knows it, please comment on it. Yes, please.
Please. I'm happy to be corrected. I'm just going to call it the serum because the way that, because of him and his friend have this really good again, anti dialogue conversation, but it was really interesting because it was their interpretation of what the serum does for you and how it would have really helped them in certain situations, but then you have to remember as a viewer what was said to Steve from the person who created it originally was that it enhances everything that's in you already. So the good guy becomes the greatest guy.
Like that enhances your good part, that enhances your bad part. So if you've got evil in you, that serum's going to find it and it will enhance on it. Hence the reason why John is the complete opposite of Steve in every way, because John, the, the, it takes us back to the scene where bookies is, did you throw yourself on a grenade and John said, yeah, I did it four times. And I generally don't think he did it for the same reason that Steve did it.
It's probably better than Steve doing it and see him look, I can do it better than Steve. It's one of the things that you, that you, that your friends with, you'll have a friend and that you'll tell them a story and they'll say, oh my god, is that the person? And the law was how one, like a one year type thing. Yeah, I went to 10 or eight feet when I was 11 or eight.
Yeah, I love that scene. Yeah, that's the type of person you come across and it's like, it was always his where it was always right. But again, I think he, I think he had good intentions in a way, because he is, you know, he's an army man, but he kind of says it himself, like you programmed me this way. I am who I am because of the way that you programmed me.
I do think he has good intentions. Otherwise, why would he have saved them people at the end? He had every, he had every opportunity to go one way and go back into the fight or save the people in the truck and he chose the right way. True, but that was one of the weirdest arcs.
Like, current arcs I've seen in a TV show just by having a look going from like a murderous and brown page is like one-dimensional attack. Then he's saying, oh, go on all people's control where it's not like I've been in his character before. If that makes sense, it's not being hinted at. It was, I don't know what you're saying.
I didn't want to use the word force, but I think that was one of the four things for me where it kind of went. And then for the whole salmon booking to be like quite standoffish all the way through the shore and then just for them to sit, not on them. So yeah, yeah, you're a cool guy now. And then it was, yeah, there was nothing really said about, there was nothing really said about the, his behavior beforehand after he had his little, it was like that was enough to redeem him, but it wasn't enough to redeem him.
Like really, what did he do with that was that bad? To them, he, I don't know, I'm a little bit torn on John because I won, by the end of it, I did feel a little bit sorry for him, especially the speech he gave to the government when he was stripped from everything. Like he is a product of his environment. And I think that people do it.
Like they can change and can deprogrize themselves because look at how BUBY did it. True. They're in a very... Not just like an old shit happening over here, but no.
But he did have to go through a massive programme with In Wakanda, which I thought was bringing a ring of the dormology and I thought that was fantastic. Oh, wait, actually, more of them. Yeah, just have a show with them, I'll be happy with it. But I think, again, it feels like an episode, sure.
And a good series. That time I said series, not season. Sorry, comment. Yeah, it just felt like, say, that's like, our specs felt so rush where XA the build up was done really well.
Like that's why I looked not a half back to one division every time, because that is one of our reference points moving forward for the TV show. Yeah, it's a long way to work. Kind out. Even though it was frustrating at the start, you felt that everything was given the conclusion or you were given XA everything you needed with the show with this.
I was kind of like scratching head one. I couldn't understand why they wouldn't just accept them now after XA so long. I know now some have the shield and accept it. So that aspect just didn't fulfill what I wanted from it.
Yeah, I got it. I'm very torn on John because I can't, yes, he was arrogant and he was a bit of a dick. And he was very much called himself. He put Captain America on it in a place of authority.
And I don't think Steve ever did that. He never made himself an authority figure, even though that's what he may have been. Because he was in the Avengers, but authority, he didn't come across as an asshole about it. And John did.
But in the grand scheme of things, John did kill that guy. What else did he really do that was so bad? I think it was just like a cop show, which I think after being an asshole. I think with the performance of performance was great.
I can't fault it because I think everyone in the world, like say the hashtag went out, not my captain. So he's not my captain America. That's for sure. So that was the whole thing.
And I'm interested in going forward. I can say that we've done the reveal now of the USA agent, which he was coming. So this is where this is where we get interested in. And because for all we've got a very, we've got, we've got to meet people and getting sound to a place where we can move on somewhere else and we know who these people are.
If that's all we get, if that's all anyone takes from the show, then that's great. But it opens up so much in respect to going forward. And I'm just going to dive into it and just put it out there. Thunderbolts.
Yeah, I think that's what I've been the next thing. But I know with, actually when we got Iron Man and stuff, all the little teasers was hitting next thing on a video, then just that's where it was later. And I say, after that, it was teasing to plan off some them and you're like, see the infinity wall was going on. So we don't quite know where this is.
We don't know where we're going. There's a lot of techniques. It's like the Thunderbolts, as I said, I think I've had the conversation with you before. It's going to be like now, all the grounded type of, I'll go for a whole fact.
So I think you should explain the Thunderbolts to people who don't know who they are. And it was created by, it was created by them all. Yes, in general, it was general Ross as well. He had a big part of it.
It was supposed to make his project. That's in Sernia, maybe. Yeah, that's in Rossland about, yes. But you've seen him in, I'd say they think they incredible hope that they'd not known, and he's been, I'd say he was the, they all do that, brought their codes into civil war.
I'd say with Nemo being in the raft and him being in charge of the raft, I'd say we don't know what Madame Hydra's part in this is going to be about. That Viv. Yes. Viv, today by the great, Lewis Dreyfus, wow, she was fantastic in it.
Not giving anything away on who she is. But what is her full car up his name is Valentina Lebra, Fontaine. And to say it easy, it's just Madame Hydra for the comics. And this is what we're reading about.
I'm sorry in the comics as well, because she's been like, say, a double agent, triple agent, she was always playing off all the sides. And she actually was in the contrast. He was so proud of herself. Nick Fury as well, for a certain point in the comics.
It'll be interesting. I learned that this week. Down that route. But the only thing, I think with Thunderbolts, because I've got now, as Zemo in the raft, they've got their domination somewhere, which I've heard rumors Tim Roth is happy to come back.
So, again, I think that's fantastic. So, key members of the team, potentially, I thought, John. Yeah, John. And I can say the flag, I thought maybe if the flag smashes, it got to the raft.
But, like, Zemo, that didn't happen. But, What did, I'm going to get to Zemo in a bit. I want to say any comments for that, but for Zemo, because, because I'm on. When, this is what gets me worried about Marvel right now.
So, when we, when Iron Man came out and then you started, then you found out that Thor was coming out, Captain America, and then we'll get the Avengers. You saw a pattern. You just brought it up. You saw a pattern of where this was going to.
Okay. I don't see the bringing in so much. It's almost like, I'm scared that they're going to muddy things up, like they did with the comics and how we had it then. How many resets did we have in Marvel comic, if you're a Marvel comic fan?
There was so many resets of, and then events and going, Oh, I'm scared. That's where it's going to, because they're bringing so much in. So, I'm just going to the guy, Oh, Reynolds, and the guy who played Joaquin Torres, who is the military guy, who was working with Sam. Yeah, the Falcon 2, apparently.
Well, he is, he's an ofalcon. However, I see as grandson, is also another Falcon. Right. Oh, I did not know that one.
I see that. I did not know that until, because I didn't watch the series again. I just went on YouTube and watched Easter eggs that you'd be a missed, and he was one of them and I wrote it. I was like, Oh, that's interesting.
That was quite interesting. And so they bring it in names of people who go on to become part of the, like, part of the young Avengers, or the newer Avengers, however they want to look at it. I am, I'm scared to go to muddy things, like they did in the comics, because I don't know where they're going with this next year's of Marvel. Well, let's see what the next, like, see a lot of things that we've got coming out of got, well, we'll go apparently back with it, or if it ever does come out.
I just want to say it at this point. I see this is the end of the day, I'm getting sick. I always said, me and Carolyn, this was it, this was our, this was our return, this is in the middle of his black widow. Yeah.
And now I don't give a shit. I just want to say it. Well, apparently, I can't say it, I can't say it fully, but Madame Hydra, first appearance, was meant to be in black widow. It wasn't meant to be when it was supposed to be the second appearance.
So... That would have been good. Oh, that's ruined it now. Like...
Yeah, so, because that's why I was a bit surprised, because that's, because the rumors are, again, this is going to be a spoiler, so we don't want to know about it. It's not fact, it's just sort of heard that at the end of black widow, that Madame Hydra recruits the sister. I don't know what an artist's name is, that the actress is called Lauren. So she's possibly, the first was possibly the first recruit.
So that's... I... I still think the sister is her. And I don't know if this was actually on the first record, and that didn't work, it might have been, but my theory was...
I don't know what you think. Scarlett's going to be replaced on... Volumia? Is it Volumia?
Yeah. It was actually our sister. Yeah. But I'm probably going to be wrong.
I can say that's what I've heard the rumor is, but I can say that we've got Loki, which is going to be a complete mindful... I think that's... It does look really fun, but I think that's going to give you more of... more of the...
how the... Marvel Universe is going to be seen going forward than this was. This is actually confused us, because I don't know. Like with one division, we knew where that was going into, and at the end we were like, oh yes, it's strange in the multi-bit.
Like... And yes, I think that's where Marvel's main thing is going to be, and I think, yeah, that's just weird. Does this fit into it? Yeah, because like, the next one's outside is fanci-y, then eternals, and then, like...
I'm sorry about the eternals. I was never a fan of the comic, so again, I know it's... No, me neither, but I just love the cast. It's very colourful over there, you've put...
And yeah, because I think that's when they're going to be like, say, because of course, we've been rumours for that as well, that fan also is back in it, in some way, just as a flashback, but that's where I think we might have elements of collectors in there as well. But again, it's just a lot going on, which I actually point where we're making, we're going to call now Captain America when it's all done. And if you start the show, and then the show, the only thing that's moved on is now has a difference suit. There's no actually moving forward with the storyline.
The only thing, I'd say, we'll probably discuss it about the character as well, because they want to buy a show, it's called Out. Okay. Let's not get into her at the minute. No, let's not get into her.
Yeah, I've got a theory about her. I mean, Sean had a conversation with her, it was actually Sean. I'll give Sean his due, he says... I am interested to hear that theory, but I do not want to talk about her yet.
Okay. I want to talk about Bransy Moore. Yes. And the absolute waste of a good, bad guy, because they did not use him to his full potential.
The fact that Boogie just walks up to him with a gun, drops the bullets, and then the dorm enlarges the entertainment. What the fuck did that mean? I've actually brought down, what the fuck does that mean? I think it was supposed to be like a metaphor, that Boogie now has changed, and he's not just a killer, and like I said, he was sitting just this, but again, it could have done it.
It didn't land with me. No, I'd like to see it. I liked the way they used the vibrancy one. I loved the actors, the actors, the actors, the actors, I've done it a few things now.
Like Daniel, Daniel, Daniel, brought up, he was fantastic in Inglorious bastards. Absolutely. I love being in the rush as well. Like I said, was it Rush, the one with the race and car driver and the way he did?
You know, I've never seen it. Is that with them? Yes, he is. And that's with them, who presents with her.
You know, also in the Artemis as well, and he's bloody brilliant, I mean, stars like absolutely. Alchemist? Yeah. I'm probably saying that.
I'm sorry. But yeah, and him, he's just, he's so good. And I just don't think, oh, I just wanted to see more. I like going to do as well, because I see, he saw that sort of, he saw the fun side, and it's good when, like, you get flippered script, and you don't expect, because you expected him to be the big part of the whole show.
When you saw the trailers, you thought, right, he's going to be behind it all and running the show and stuff. And wanted him to be behind it all. But I'd say, I could be for another story, but I thought it was really fun. And I thought it was wrong.
He was on it. He was brilliant. Like, that dance, the fact that Marvel made that into an hour video and stuck it on YouTube for people was absolutely brilliant. He just wanted to see more of him.
And I wanted to, I want to know that we are going to get to see more of him, because his costume was fantastic. You know, that was the biggest one you only saw in the hood once. And it was only for like a short period, and it looks good. And again, it looks good.
It looks quite good. I just didn't know how they were going to do it from comic to that. And it worked perfectly. It was dressed perfectly.
And I just want more from him. Sorry. I didn't get killed off. There's a thing that I think Marvel, when I know it's similar with Obi, when I know they've got something back, that works.
We'll use it in music, I've just told you all over users. But I think he's on the bigger things. And a lot of the whole, Deadpool aspect of it at the end, when they're going to be using the cell. And they will grow back.
Like, say what happened. And he kind of broke the floor a little bit and looked at the camera and smiled. And he thought, that's quite nice. I said, that was a little bit of a dead girl last night.
I didn't even notice. Yeah, it's just like a little free of me. He's like, you said he's sitting here, he's reading this, he's reading this, and he's listening to the radio. And then since there's these notes, and he's just playing this.
Like, smile, you think he could be smiling at a guard, it could be smiling at a guard, it could be smiling at the same. It was very much at the camera. I said, it reminded us quite a lot of Deadpool. That's really, I didn't even notice that.
I didn't get these bubbler. I was going, who's that? Who is it? I think it was someone important.
It was like, even Marvel makes the great job of day saying, and still a bit about my own. I don't want to eat a bubbler. So yeah. Navy, yeah.
I think he was, I don't think he was used for his full potential. I think we could have had more out of him. What we got from him was absolutely fantastic. Again, this is just my opinion.
I just wanted to say that suit. Wanted to say he was a good dresser. He was a really good dresser. He was a good way of other kids.
But everyone has a bit of a strange thing, giving them a sweet, plain fling. Well, I like someone, and I can't give credit to the person who said this, but it was very much like Narnia. Yeah. Very much like the snow coming from Narnia with a Turkish delight and getting kids to do their bidding, which is how she got to, I should not have read this.
My mum read me the story millions of times of the kid, and I cannot remember the children's names. But yeah, it was very much like the snow queen from Narnia. How have you got children? Children?
Children? Because children can sneak in and out of places without being detected. I totally get it. It's like the spider-run game.
He was the one who used children to do his bidding, but he didn't give them to a Turkish delight like that. No, I'm not going to do it. No, I don't even want to think. And so what was that?
Barren's theme. Right, let's do it. Let's get into the shikshow that Sharon Carter. Right.
So I'm going to be a bit smoky, because I called it... Well, and you can do it. That shame was going to be the power broker. Do you want to do it?
No, no, no. We as well. Because it wasn't a big... Well, I think they wanted it to be like a moment, but it was kind of like...
Do you want to know what I wrote? I mean, no, it's... Yeah. Who gives the shiks?
Yeah. Who gives the shiks that Sharon Carter was the power broker? Why is she even in this? I said you don't...
Get it. Sean, I'd say I'd give him quite a little bastard. He sends a text to him and she's a fucking squirrel. Not the first time I've heard that.
Not the first time I've heard that. And if that is... Siegel, what kind of thing. So, yeah.
If that's the case, then it makes a hell of a lot more interesting. But if that is playing all Sharon Carter in behind that skin, I am not that bothered. Why the fuck should I give a shit about her being a power broker? Because, let's be honest, she won't even have good to start with she in.
Nothing like her, that's for down the show. She probably just pissed the taste of Steve Chaw's around me over her. But the thing I confused me as well, because she was very... Goody two shoes and very much four.
Like, she was one of the first ones when... During... What was it? Katnamberg would sort of turn on hydrants and all of that.
She would wear the good guys, I think. Oh my God, she wasn't in the suit or wasn't she? And now... How about that?
Her five years later, like after the start. Just because she gave the shield and because of the country didn't want to do as a fugitive. She was turning into like this... Turn on hydrants.
I've got that all out for power. And now that when I'm end credit saying when she's being pardoned, she's like, yeah, I've got access to secret shit. Whoever's on the phone, it's like, this is just boring. This is...
If she is a scroll, then I do like it. Because it has to be more interesting than her. Yeah. I just...
I never like Sharon in the comics. I certainly don't like her in the pro in the end, in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. She is just... In 13, wasn't it?
Yeah. Don't want to give a shit. And she didn't give us a good enough reason to give a shit. And you're right, the reveal was absolutely pathetic.
It was... Don't don't... That was about it. That was best I can describe it.
I don't want to... Yeah. I wrote it so many times on a piece of paper. I don't care.
The thing is, I think what compuses a little bit about the show and I spoke to me a lot of work and the other words. The Gotz, the Shore, backwards at times where at the start have all these massive action scenes and like big set pieces and stuff. Like the big fight between Boogie, Wager and Sam happens at the start of episode four is it? Yeah.
I think so. I think so. It was like a five or four. It was at the start.
And then afterwards it was just all downhill. It was like, built the god, this is amazing. But then it should have been like say the slow banner where it gradually built up to the fight or built up to the... Yeah.
But it was all, like say, these type of aspects. And I think one of the things that this show did fall from as well was the Lord of the Rings effect have too many endings. Because it had like, what are you going off to? Oh my god, yeah.
I didn't even... Yeah, I got 100. I'm not sure you'll go without that. But yeah, I think we're going to run off this busy secret dimension for what was passed at some, then except in the show, then take an eyesache to the memorial and have come.