Hi everyone and welcome to the Nodipnod Podcast. It's the Nodipnod Podcast and it's supposed to be, and all the nerds, I am one of your hosts, Sam. And I am the other host, Paul. Yes, just I thought I used a little bit more dramatic cause that's great with Grim being on our thought.
Well, wait a few seconds, because Grim normally does all the spills from Gornmiles as well. So at this time, he was the ultimate professional. So yes, so thank you for that, Grim. And that is our illustrious introduction to Sinois, the floating head that is Grim.
And I'm just like, I'm really glad. Little legs, little arms and legals. He is the free of a nightmare for any podcasters, anyone will know. And we have the amazing, the beautiful, the sensual, the length, girth, eusmanin, in the realm, that is Lee.
I don't know who you're going for there. I just want you to have every single time. Oh, I have the pleasure to be back. I just like to say, happy Father's Day to Daddy Lee.
Daddy Lee, thank you. All of our Daddy. All of our... And we've got an announcement, it is the last of payments for Lee as he has been sacked.
Yes. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't kick us out with a chat. Sorry.
And we have the horned mistress herself. Yes, they are horned on the top of the head. They're not bunny-rabbity, as we haven't joined the Hugh Hefner. Playboy, Bunny, look, just yet.
We've got the Peach, the lovely Sarah. The Peach. The Peach. My absolutely terrible bunny ear horns that I made back minutes ago.
And it is her first appearance after the triumphant first episode of Women on the Gold Gem. No, that little thing that you're sorry. That thing you do instead. Yeah, nothing.
Nothing. Nothing where she's got a cult following herself. So, yes. But Ginger, Scully, want to be?
Yes. So, no. And I'm already calling Chris out in the chat. Yes.
Why is he being taken? I don't do three outcasts anymore. No. No.
No. No. We do try and keep it under a nine and a half. With Graham being on, it might be a little longer for us.
I have five pages of notes, bitches. Chris, can you just climb up quick? Well, we've got election nights coming up soon. Oh, my God.
Well, that's a good segue into the disclaimer, which is just what happened to left my brain for a second. So everything discussed in today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, please come and join us on the Facebook page, the discord or the comment section where we can have an open discussion about what we want to have is anyone coming from a certain town. The opinions are wrong.
We can all agree to disagree in tandem. So let's keep it fun. Keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior out of nerdism. Very well said.
So, yes. That's all. Yeah. Yeah, you know, free speech now.
Sorry. I didn't know what it was. Yeah, I mean, it was a really bad script. It was a game you had a game, but I think it was one comment from Grahams on the Facebook page.
So that's fine. So what was it? Something about being a Atari party. I was like, Graham, I don't even put notes on any body.
I just removed them. I just removed them. It's like Graham. You were doing the sort of name of sentence.
I'm gonna have to say what it's from. And it was like, No, tears, please. It's a waste of good suffering. I just said, Oh, is it from the Tory party conference?
Where's that movie? I'll raise it. I'll raise you, you, asshole. It's lowest attended movie in history, if it was.
Sorry. Um, but yes. Um, are we doing the new segment now? Or are we leading it to a little bit of human miniseries?
Cause we're doing up the office talk if you want. Or do you want to leave it to a little bit of a special? No, let's find out. Let's just see where you're at.
So Paul in the office, where you're at right now. It's all going with now. I think it's making better. I think it's really poorly.
So I'll think it's making better. Yes. I'm up to season seven. So we're about.
I just had the David branch come. Oh, yeah. I was thinking it was going to be the whole episode. I was like, oh, yes.
Oh, no, it's just enough. Yeah, it's quite cool. And Pam and Jim are just merrily going on. I literally cried with laughing with Dwight and his snowman army.
Like Dwight is getting more and more crazy and it's just, I'm just living for it. Holly is now back. So, so, and she's just brought up with her boyfriend who wouldn't connect. That's why I'm up to.
So that's why I'm up to. Oh, okay. I'm glad we're going to cut this shot because next week that's the. That's the thing.
That's the thing. Yes. So it's just a short office tease. Yeah, so we see a cause we all like a little bit of office.
I'm sure Graham can appreciate it. Office days. Well, no, no, that tends to be getting fired. But I've never worked in Lee's office though.
So it hasn't happened yet. But I have never watched the office to be fair. Neither version of like, what's better? The UK one or the American one depends.
They're both so good in their own way. Quite quite. Like they're really different, but the second one is after the first season, it's more on the level. I'm not trying to, I'm probably building up now.
It's on the same level as Frazier in my eyes so far with the with the clever comedy. And it's like, it's not just stupid. It's like people being the worst, but also me and you like them, but not as intelligent as Frazier, of course, but still, I would say it's on par with us. If you do like Frazier, I would say like really cringe comedy like to the UK office is the best.
That is the cringiest of cringe comedy. The first series of the US office has that level of cringe comedy, but it's kind of, it's kind of built it down because of the surrounding cast around them. You're not really just focusing on the main cringe. You've got all the rest of them to kind of balance it out.
When in the UK one, you're kind of not not focused on the main cringe. Yeah, it's it's weird because I don't think UK comedy transitions well in the UK in the US form and the try to basically recreate the UK like sense of humour and just like Americans, well, don't get satire or sarcasm at the best of times. So, yeah, that's not forget the American pilot of Red Dwarf. Yes.
I don't think Diana was a car crash as bad as that. I mean, oh, no, please forget that one. I'm going to go. I'm going to go.
And know the American one try to do the first episode word for word as the English one, but obviously changing their on the engine, their references. So in hours, we called one of the staff members and can be the part of all's in the American one, it was Hillary one. So it just didn't transition well. And the whole state the whole state, they're on the jelly was hilarious in England.
It's not in America. Yes. We are here tonight, though, to talk about what of the 19 80s. Darkest fantasies.
That was made for kids. This was a fucking kids movie and it still is a PG, which is when you watch it back. Oh, yeah. Tom Cruise and should be a PG.
Tom Cruise, not suitable for kids. Too many in the closet. Oh, yes. When it's a 22 year old getting off of a 16 year old in this film, which is awkward as fuck.
I don't know. I'm sure I read that. The two young ones, like Mr. Tom, this character, Conor, and the fairy, like 18 and 24.
Right? But it's like, that sounds like quite my fucking Brit. It's like, I'm getting a new mini. So we are going to be discussing the 1985 Ridley Scott fucking Ridley Scott legend.
And that is probably more famous for one of the characters in this movie than the actual movie itself I would dance here. Yeah. Possibly. Yeah.
I agree. And you about that before and you about the movie. Exactly. So when what was your first experience watching this movie?
So I'll go to Graham first, because I know what Sammy's was probably studying. Mine was literally watching it as a kid. And it's just and it's crazy because like something we'll get into later is that this is probably one of the only movies I can think about of how many versions there are of this. There are about, there's basically four main versions of this film.
There's two main versions, four sort of more spread out versions. And then like every TV channel made its own cut of it and stuff. So for instance, if you watch it on like UK Netflix or UK Amazon Prime and stuff, it has horrible hard cuts in it that just are not where they've gone. Oh, yeah, we're going to take other stuff as well.
But over here, I think I actually originally saw it when I was a kid, like probably like nine or 10 kind of thing. And I admittedly liked it back then. But the UK version is not very good, like compared to the theatrical American one. But I remember it more, not just Tim Curry as the devil demon layer darkness is having a massive crush on Tom Cruise in his movie.
This is what's really difficult about his movie. He is genuinely incredibly hot, right? This whole thing. And you have to step back and be like, he's not a Scientologist twat.
He's not there yet. Is there a scene where he doesn't have his thighs out? Tom Cruise and glitter do it for you. That's another thing we've got to discuss.
What the fuck before the glitter? It was probably the most lemon movie since Twilight. I've been acting before Twilight. Yeah, but this movie is very kind of special, but it's weird.
I don't know what version I saw first. Yeah. Well, you Lee. I was probably about 16 the first time I watched it with me, me, it's saying like, oh, this film's like probably like Zelda.
Right. So that's a part of it. It is. But a lot of people compared it to it, but it's not.
Zelda came out two months after this, so they didn't steal it or anything like that. But I feel asleep the first time I watched this. Right? How do you remember that?
Because I remember not to know. That's quite interesting because as we found out doing these podcasts, I was talking to Lee Lee is one of Tom Cruise's biggest fans. I think Lee would be indoctrinating the Scientology of Tom Cruise when coming to the movie. Tom Cruise is a real life person.
It's a fucking cycle. But on a film set, he is one of the most hardest working people in the movie business. He puts 110% into everything. Like the fact that he broke his ankle, jumping across that building, and he's still climbed up and run with a broken ankle just so we can get the scene done.
It's like that's commitment. So far, I had it right where they were just going like, you know, him going, look, I'm doing my own stunts. Look, I'm doing all this. I'm not getting it.
I'm not getting it. I'm really, really not. I feel like we have to see it allegedly just enough. Allegedly.
I didn't. I'm not accusing anything of saying that there was a show called Saika. It said these things. Yeah, but don't ever try and get among psychology.
Because remember, he knows psychology better than anyone knows psychology because you don't understand psychology. What is he? He's been brainwashed. Just a bit.
Tom Cruise as well. I thought this was one of his first movies. It was his seventh movie. Mark and Helen have been Hollywood still wanted them after them.
T seven. This is his, this is the movie he did a year before Top Gun. He had a Hollywood makeover than for top Gun. There's no unibro going on there.
No fucking property at all, especially these big K9 that sticks out as well. Who did it for the boys? I thought I'm saying. His career is career absolutely exploring after this though.
I mean, he was in a few good men and then he started doing films as well. Allegedly. I really like that film. I bet he did something.
Oh, do you? Sarah, when did you first say this movie? Somebody get to in the sentence. I really am.
I'm really happy. Yes. Have you touched the unicorn on it? Is that why I'm feeling a bit better?
I'm quite fucking waiting for that. It's not for the snorks. Right. I can't actually remember exactly when the first time I saw it is, but I think it will be about the same time as when I was nine or ten.
So that'll be what? Early nineties for me? Right. Was it on VHS or was it like the TV edition?
Well, when we were younger, we used to have a guy come around the street and all the movies car and he had lots of VHSs in there for all. Have you had the man in the photo of him? Yeah. I'm sure he had the man in the band.
I'm sure he was on TV loads. I remember it being one of those films where they're like, let's break it out every bloody Christmas. It was a band called In Money Movie. I remember that because that was my first experience.
It was on Channel 4 I think. Because Channel 4 used to show a few of the more brief of the movies at the time. I think Channel 4 was only Channel 4 was on Time Bandits as well. But yeah, I remember that was my first experience because I remember the ad breaks and that was the time to try and work out what I was watching at that time.
Because for a fantasy movie as well, it is, as Sami explained before, it's almost like a fever dream while you caught up on flu medication, trying to work out what the hell you're watching and what's going on. Because it's literally got everything in this movie, set pieces, costumes, everything looks just unbelievable. But you just don't understand what's happening. And that's the kind of feeling I got when I was watching the back and out.
It's like, yeah, this looks beautiful. Why is this happening? Why is this happening? Don't feel the scenes flow very well.
Like the whole fantasy thing pulls you in. Well, that's because it was cut down from two and a half hours, though, so we did get a lot out. I want to see the full version. I don't know.
You, this is a big problem we had. Okay, just to go into the two versions. There are two main versions of this film, which are the European version, like the UK theatrical cut and stuff like that. There's a director's cut and they all have a Jerry's goldsmith soundtrack.
They need to be watched over here. In America, they just basically went, oh, this is shit. This is actually awful if you can't really follow what's going on. So they basically totally recut it and they got Tangerine Dream, like the prog band to make a new soundtrack for it.
And they basically fixed it. So it's got an opening crawl at the beginning that basically does the whole, hey, here's the story and here's the two characters that are talking about the scene. We've got a professional online to give us that. Yeah, if you want to call this that.
Strapping. So once long ago, before there was such thing as time, the world was shrouded in darkness, then came the splendor of light, bringing life and love into the universe and the lord of darkness retreated deep into the shadows of the earth, plotting his return to power by banishing light forever. The precious light is protected, harbored in souls of unicorns, the most magical of all creatures. Unicorns are seer from the lord of darkness.
They can only be found by the purist of mortals. Such a mortal is Jack, who lives in the solitude with the animals of the forest, a beautiful girl named Lily loves Jack with all her heart. In the innocence they believe only goodness exists in the world. Together, they will learn there will be no good without evil, no love without hate, no heaven without hell, no light with no light without darkness.
The harmony of the universe depends upon the internal balance, out of the struggle to maintain the spellings come the birth of legends. Which honestly, I feel makes everything make more sense, rather than touch the unicorn and now it's gone to winter. What is it dick for that as well? Like, oh no, you're not supposed to touch the music, but you could have told us that before.
Yeah, well, this kind of leads into the taglines, just so you know my first experience was yesterday. And so the taglines for this movie is she is of the purist innocent, he is pure evil, he is darkness. That's wrong. I love the link in the interview, they're like, hey, this is our fucking selling point.
Yeah, right here, right here. This is such as dreams are made of, that's what I want to say. This is such of dreams are made of, this is legend. A world full of magic, wonder and desire, that's the USVHS version.
There may never have been another dawn. I like Chris's tagline, he's just giving it, giving to touch the horn like. Adventure has got your back, right? And as we've just heard, no good without evil, no love without hate, no innocent without lust, I am darkness.
Very much. Some of the taglines we've had previously, we should. I don't think they do live up the hype with the movie, especially this one. But to see that Lily was innocent, I think she was a bit of a tease, because I say the way she touched up.
She was awful. It's all a bit weird, because in the American version, they have the case. So basically they have it suggested that having a proper relationship and stuff, so they kiss, they're rolling around in the grass together and stuff. Kind of implies sex, but I don't think so.
Like, you know, as in that. And then I think they went, oh, we can't have any of that. She's got to be innocent as in stupid. So they just went, no, no, they don't kiss.
And they get really weird. They're the relationships that they've been changing. They did, they kissed before the unicorn bit. Oh, is it about the unicorn bit?
No, it's true. But is it as long as it's before the unicorn bit? I remember, I remember our kiss and then she goes, how long have you waited to do that? And I was like, you get in.
But she was a bit of a con as well, though, to be fair, because she put down the washing line, like, laughing, and the flapping on the fairies. I was like, that's a bit of a dick trick. I felt offended because usually when someone yells, blue bean fairies, I mean, I just said, I'm not a fucking clown. But this set, you know, where the unicorn's running towards, and you know, the beautiful scenery that you see, that is, Penguin Studios.
That is all recreated, Penguin Studios. I went, because I couldn't quite understand this film very well. I thought I would have a look at everything else around it. So the studio is Penguin Studio.
Now, back in the early, early 85-ish, or 84, I should say, the 007 film was being filmed there at the same time. And a huge fire came in and wiped that whole set out. Right. So it's quite mismatchy, the whole film, because it's part of it, the original set up.
And then this other part where it's a secondary set up, which isn't as elaborate as the original. And I ask a question, though, was the fire started with how much brightness the glitter caused? Potentially, but it was actually double or 70 of course. All right.
So it wasn't the glitter. It wasn't the glitter. Too much glitter. Too much glitter.
Yeah. But yes. Couldn't even tell you who the bond was at that time. So.
Come on, come on. Roger. Um, it was like 85. Yeah, possibly.
Yeah. Kind of he was 70. He was like 87. Oh, that man is beautiful.
What? He's the best James Bond to be done. And that was the best James Bond. And that was the best James Bond.
And that was the one to have a bond episode. Yes. Oh, please no. Did it sign up a bond?
No, sorry. I won't do that to you, Sammy. Not 007, just yet. Um, 00 negative.
Uh, Goonies reference got in there. Um, what do you think of the costumes or? Because I know all the things were just absolutely beautifully done, in my opinion. But what would you guys think of it?
I mean, how much more of an imposing character can you have as Tim Curry as darkness in full makeup? Mm. They, uh, they were so kind to him as well. They, uh, yeah, everything.
They felt so sorry for him. And the makeup, the special effects, not makeup, but special effects is Rob Button. Who, if you've watched Monsters before, and if you've watched Us before, he is the guy behind Robocop, Total Recall, basically, the howling legend. In his face, being more than in Las Vegas.
I could keep going on and on and on. This man is an absolute genius. The main one is obviously the thing, which he's very, very famous for. And what he brings to this movie is such a level of creativity that I was breathtakingly taken away with last night.
And of course, as far as I said, I know this will be controversial. I'm probably not. I think the goblins in this movie were better than the goblins in Lord of the Rings. That's not being a dick.
That's me. I know when you're being sincere or when you're not. I 100% agree with you. I agree.
The detail in Blink Blinks. Blinks. Keep one to call him, Binks. Blinks alone was, I, I was, and Meg had a pause on Meg and just take it all in.
When I was looking at it, I'm like, fuck me, that's someone's actual face. Like, there's someone really behind that. That's not- Do you want to know who is behind that? Just anyone, yes.
It's not anyone. It's behind Meg. It's Doctor of Reference. It's Robert Picasso who is the doctor from Star Trek Voyager.
Bizahali. Yeah. What is it? Meg Mucklebones.
And I just googled that person because I started checking some references. When I saw that, yeah. Grim, when I saw that on IMDb, I had to literally go through and check that it was the same one. Because I didn't know that until this time.
He did so many crazy things. Oh my God! So many crazy monster roles for this period. You're just going, whoa, and you forget that it's like, yeah, he just came from the stage and just went, how do I make it?
Right. Okay, let's do it all again. That's quite a long time. Looking through his back pack like after this movie.
Oh, that makes so much sense. He's in the howling. He's in his face. He's in Grimlands too.
Um, he's in Grimlands too. He's in total recall. He sounds like he's a robot and kind of guy. Yeah, just like, you know how you get Doug Jones, where he'll make up for him.
Okay, cool. We need Doug Jones. I think it was like that. And then Camelia was a tall road.
But Camelia told me, no, he's mine. You can't take him. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Sammy calls him Doug Brownlee. Please don't.
Please don't. I am begging you to never see that again. In the version you saw, did it have the full Meg Mucklebone scene? Yeah.
So it had the bit where he hangs the shield up on the tree and she's looking at it and they're having a discussion. Yeah, and that's not Disney. It just ends up on the tree. Oh, no.
That's a skip on the vision. On the American version, like the better version, the only problem I have with that version is that they just totally cut down the Meg Mucklebone scene. And literally has him being like, oh, do you plan to beat me? And she's like, aha, aha, aha, aha, aha, aha, aha, aha.
And then he literally just cuts ahead off. Yeah. And so it means that the shield teleports to the tree for no reason. And you're like, why did you go?
What were you saving with that? Yeah, I was like, no, because she was a class character. Mm-hmm. But it just, you just want to throw a swamp and then she just appears and is like, it's lit.
It's meant to be to show how he can actually kill, how he can actually be a warrior. Yeah. That, but effectively she just pops up. There's no reason to go there.
It just, I don't, the little dwarf guy, the little dwarf guy, the little dwarf berry based, he just runs, no, not gum. What's his name? Oh, the guy that looks like it was an extra from Master's of the Universe. Yes.
I think it is. Oh my god, yes. Is he the same guy? Yeah.
The, the, the, the, the round? I think I did. I think he basically runs off. Round time.
Round time. Yeah. And then falls into the water. And then Meg drives to eat him and goes, oh, that's disgusting.
And then goes, oh, but, and then goes, oh, but, and then. It's your lean and make like, make a little bit of your old taste to you. And you haven't been corrupted yet. Yes.
Um, delicious. The, the, the role of Jack was in Tom Cruise's initially. It was offered to three other actors. Oh, right.
One who I know find well you will not like him to be in at all. Um, you got Jim Carrey. Right. Johnny Depp.
And R.D.J himself. Robert Downey Jr. Oh, that would have been awful. I think he could have heard that Robert Downey Jr.
No. He's Robert Downey Jr was classed in the fair. No, no, no. No, he was Robert Downey Jr.
It was coming across as an Australian and everything he did. He sounded like an Australian. Yeah. Robert Downey Jr.
Like in weird science then going to this would have been interesting. But yeah. Yeah. So that's how Robert Downey Jr.
Jim Carrey's the weirdest. Like, come on. Come on. We've got to go and see these people.
I don't know. I don't know. Right then. But I'm only saying about Tom Cruise.
I don't think I can imagine anyone else in this. No. He has that wonderful kind of, Princey kind of like, yeah, I don't know. I think he's genuinely perfect for him.
And it's obviously. I think Johnny Depp would have brought some, like, I think Tom Cruise brings whimsical. Yeah. He very much does.
And I hate a little bit of the person. But Johnny Depp would have been too fucking serious. Like, hopefully he's like, hair on his eyes. Yeah.
Yes. Absolutely. Jim Carrey's too much of a character actor. He probably would have been a goblin rather than an actual, you know, lead and man.
Yeah. This might sound like a slight but it's really not. I think all the others would have been too tall. Because maybe.
Yeah. He is quite strong. But Tom Cruise is a lot smaller though. Like, because I always thought Tom Cruise's character was a little bit like an imp as well.
He's like, I think it's a woodland imp because he talks to the animals and like, has that kind of relationship. Like Nick freaked out like really nicely. That's true. Oh, Tom Cruise is fucking a fox.
There's a scene in the one of the ways like Stropnafox and it was like the most adorable thing. It's a rabbit, isn't it? No, it's definitely a fox. It was like, yeah, because that's in one of the versions it has the scene where he's like, oh, I've learned to finish.
I have to speak to finches. Now teach me how to speak to rabbits. And he's like, no, I'm going to show you the unicorns. I'm really sorry.
I know you guys all the stuff in this film and love it daily. But I just cannot fucking understand what went on. I know there's something to do with a unicorn. I'll try and send you the American version, which just works way better.
Because there's so much bollocks in the UK version. Like it literally just has weird cuts where you're like, why did that scene happen? Like, Vincent's like, yeah, when they're unicorn, she goes to the unicorn and then the unicorn just start freaking out and going wild and stuff. And then they calm down again.
And then it's like, oh, okay, well, that was weird. And then she goes up and she touches one and it gets shot. But it's like, why does that happen? You know, where's it's like the other before?
It's literally she goes up and then she touches it just as it gets shot. And then it jumps off and stuff. And then you just go, oh, that's why everyone thinks that she calls this because she doesn't see a unicorn. I'm sure she didn't see a cat shot.
And that's why everyone blames her. Do you actually watch this film? Like, to be further off, I'll give you this. You'll probably just mesmerize that how wobbly the unicorn horns were.
Because literally it was like, what, I'm like a floppy penis, went round at half the time. Do you know what I was waiting for? I was waiting for Tim Curry. I'm not going to lie.
I wanted to know, I want my husband every time this film was mentioned, or even Tim Curry in general, you'll always say, legend terrified me as a kid. So I wanted to say what terrified my husband as a kid. And I'm not going to lie, I've shit my pants at the end of it. But when he comes out, you see his face.
And I always pictured because I've only ever seen still shots. So in my head, that face doesn't move. That face fucking move. There's three parts of the character that I always got me.
It's like the first, when you first introduce that to start, it's the eyes, like the bright fluorescent eyes. It's just mesmerizing. The voice. Like, I don't think, again, call us out, see, I'm full of shit.
But I don't think there's a voice that has an effect as any other, as the darkness in this, and literally hits you in the saw. But it's just like everywhere he says, he could be whispering, he could be bellowing. It's so impressive. It really is.
So Tim Curry is so good. He's so perfect for this role. And then, like, what he doesn't know. Up until that point, it's all just like happy and fantasy.
And you just lie in there, just like, oh, yeah, this is a nice movie. I don't know what's going on. But then Tim Curry shows up and you're just like, holy shit, this is real. Yeah.
It starts with Tim's voice. That's dark. Oh, yeah. Because it, when it's in the version of the two versions I've watched, where it basically has it where it starts off with Blix being summoned to the dark tree.
Yeah. And you see him. And in one version, you don't get to see darkness. You just see him hand on the other side of the phone.
That's what I want to see from the phone. Yeah, you see him full, but he has glowing luminous eyes, and he has a bright yellow thing in the nails and stuff. Yeah. He doesn't actually show up in the one I currently on Disney until an hour and three minutes into it.
And it's an hour and a half movie. But any idea, who's his dad? I don't think he's just talking like father. I hope he's like, never sees it.
In some, I don't know if this is like totally correct, but I have read that. He's meant to be the sort of same. That would make sense. I don't call him same.
I don't call him. He's called a darkness. He's called a darkness. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like the essence. But come back to the point I was meeting as well. That's fine.
Like I said, the three points is like the initial eyes, then the voice, when the hoof comes out with the mirror. And you see like the whole like chest piece. And just the fucking cock sure of himself when he's walking about. And it's just like, you're my perfect mate.
And that's when the Tim Curry comes out when he's talking to like, Amoress Harris character early, like when he's communicating, like almost trying to seduce her. That's when I can hear the Tim Curry in it. That's almost like the Tim Curry from like, Gormelorn or the Tim Curry from Pennywise. I couldn't honestly throw the whole thing.
I couldn't hear him at all. And I didn't know that was a good thing or a bad thing. I was like, I just, I don't know. But I had to go and have a look at the the makeup behind.
Tim Curry and everything that went into it. And bless it. Bless his heart, man. He had it tough.
So he had to wear a large structure on the top of his head. And the structure was then it was five of glass horns supported by harness underneath the make up the horns, straightened the back of Curry's neck, and to where he couldn't actually physically move around. And all there was an incident with his makeup where he ended up pulling off his own skin, which then made really Scott say, we need to do something different. So Rob Button created these horns that really freaked people out because when they went to go and pick them up, they expected them to be heavy.
And they were not, they were not there. There was nothing to them that had, they were, they were weightless. So his head wasn't completely because he was going to end up breaking his neck. Well, this was a movie that nearly like, um, because he got, he did Pennywise after this movie.
He needed to turn Pennywise down because he didn't want to have a same experience. Because as mentioned, because I said the clown face was going to be heavily like, like, look at the, the documentary and stuff like that. They had a, they had a, they had a final. So he was so basic.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the worst call of effect.
Um, call off didn't pick any movies that were, that was surrounded around Meiko after Frankenstein because he couldn't have barely idea of being Frankenstein in that Meiko for much longer. And especially he was doing his makeup at the time. Oh, for Japanese. Hot glue and everything.
But the other characters in this as well, like all them kind of played the part. So you get, as you said, Blink we've mentioned is just like phenomenal. Like has some of the best lines in the movie as well. Like some of the rhymes that I do are just steered with us.
Um, and it's a chain of blicks just gets bottom. Like literally as soon as they, as soon as Blicks gets the, the darkness, you know, grabs them, gets the horn off them and stuff and goes back to the castle. We never see Blicks again. And at the end, depending on the version you see, it hints that they might be a sequel.
It kind of has a shot of, uh, of darkness basically fading over laughing. So it kind of goes, oh, he might come back and he just go, yeah, they've set it up where Blicks could possibly come back and they could do a sequel, but obviously they never did. Because I don't know if it did well. I bought big size.
It was horrendous. Like, this was like, like this, any Killworthy Scott's career to be fair. But one of the fun things as well, like one of the characters, who looked like he was basically the character from Malcolm in the middle Gump. His, I think he was actually Swedish, the actor, a bit of, they actually dubbed his voice because this said it was, he sounded too Eastern European for what they wanted.
So the character who played Blinks, I think Alice Blinton actually did the voice for Gump as well. Yeah. Yeah. And Blinks was actually designed after Keith Richards.
Right. Okay. I can see it. The look was, yeah, it was with Keith Richards, but you know how you mentioned earlier that you didn't get to see Tim Curry until like an hour later in one version.
It was the makeup side of things that was the change in point, was that they wanted to, they wanted to build up a suspense of darkness, which is, and also really alleviate Tim Curry of the makeup side of things. Like, really, Scott was devastated after the incident. Like he said, he nearly like pulled it, pulled it on everything because he didn't want him to suffer for the image that he had in his head. But Tim Curry being the true professional that he is, like, you know, he's not an asshole.
So you can't imagine that it was a bad conversation. No, it's quite different from Frank Dunford. No. You know, this idea of he's like, I have been in lots of extreme outfits.
So they have this one and they have this one. And then this one. This one, it was beautiful. And nobody had small horns in Tunisia.
I'm not going to discuss how small the girl is. There's a lot of fans out there that will fight you for that one. But apparently it was Ridley Scott seeing Tim Curry and Robby Horror that inspired him to cast him for this. Right.
Anyone who's always, number one, but he was also considering Richard O'Brien for Meg. Yes. Oh, that would have been amazing. I mean, that's the thing though.
It's like, I know you didn't sort of do it, Sammy, but for me. I'm like, this is so Tim Curry, like everything about the movement and the face, the smile and the voice. And you're like, no one has. What is it?
An unceation like Tim Curry. No. That's why they got him. I think I see every movie Tim Curry's in.
He literally chews the whole sea, the words go all the way around his mouth as he's talking. Yeah. It's like Moira Rose from Moshit. Yeah.
It's this idea of going, they just have this weird thing where they just every bit of a word pops. And they do it in a silly comedy way. And Tom Cruise goes, no, no, I'm going to enjoy every single syllable and consonant in this word. And it's interesting with Sammy said something earlier as well, like when the movement in the face, in the glorious age that we are, we get like everything in here today and then like in four gear.
When I watched back, the fight scene with Tom Cruise as character Jack and the darkness, you notice things that you probably wouldn't have if it wasn't so high definition. Like the mask is very much a mask. It's not like a face. So you see him when he's attacking Jack, his face stays in one position.
And like he's like, but then you see the ridge on his neck flop. So you can see like it's a floppy head. Oh, no, I didn't even see that. Now watch it on my big telly as well.
Proper disappointed by the fight at the end. Like just the hall full of made it seem like it was going to be this like impossible mission but intended to go in and fight darkness. But he slides in misses, punches in the face once, and he's asking for a while and then throws a hand in him and then some mirrors beat him. And I think that's the thing though.
It's like Tom, you know, Jack does get his ass handed to him by darkness. Like it's the whole thing ago, darkness would have ruined him had it not have been, you know, distracting him with the horn and them having the mirror plan set up. It's going like, yeah, he would have lost. Had a more exciting fight with people in the scene before in the kitchen.
No, but it was in essence Tom Cruise had these same moves where he would jump kick, jump kick, back flip, there was swipe. He'd done that move a few times and he did against the darkness as well. What I was impressed of was the darkness is Paul Daniels impression. So I was like, I guess and causing my client to just appear around instead of like, there's a decent jammer fire which would have been the more logical things and hi, I was just thinking that he was a goth debut to ghee.
That's what I thought the transformation there, Jesus. Oh, I was a fucking glo, wasn't it? That's because it was 16. That is like, it's like, I've written for you like, how old was he 15?
Fuck. That's good. But as I said, as watching it as a teenager as a kid, this was quite an awakening for me as a kid going, oh, she's quite pretty. Then they're going, they'd say a tikariagord, oh, that's quite nice.
And I think the whole combination. I didn't have any of that at all. It's like the whole scene. It was just thinking this whole scene is beautiful.
Like, not thinking of the actress. It was just all the like spinning and like the beautiful dressbone and then all the signature turns in the mirror and her faces on the body and it's like, that's amazing, that transition. Just a question. Sammy, did you have the same transition when you went golf?
That's exactly how it happens. It's like, I'm following on the duck this year and I said, I think it's exactly how it happens. Except your dress was moshin when you walked into it. And a limousa teddy.
If you want to check out, there's a cosplayer, Taffa Lydarling, a friend of the show. She did a cosplayer of Lydarling in the outfit and doing the dance. Arne is a fucking unbelievable. So if you go and check out Taffa Lydar's page, like, Fangirl in Fangirl's of Dallas and she's got a lot of images.
I'm just fucking class. She's absolutely stunning in that outfit as well. But yeah. I absolutely love the makeup choices as she's got like the curve downwards on the eyes.