The big old dude's big old dude's was going to be shit. And I was like, oh, this actually looks great. I'm a live Graham. Well, I am.
Welcome to the Nerdy of North podcast. It's a nerdy podcast and it's hosted by her and all the nerds. I am a one of your hosts, Sam. And I am the other host Paul.
And as per usual, when we have Graham on, he de-reels every fucking thing. Yes. I'm a real handsons. Yes.
So, yes, as you've probably seen, we've got the floating head that is Graham joining us tonight. He is 40 now. So in gear, he is probably dead. Just get used to seeing him because he's not much left in, to be honest.
I feel like Mombi right now. I feel like it could be not a demographic of a glass case around me. I did think about it. It's floating head.
Yeah, it's one of those things. It's like time, effort. And I'm just kidding. And I'll be able to sort of agree.
Because I love you the bits. Well, your head moves around so much it's impossible to actually fix the graphic perfectly around that as well. It's basically because of my webcam. Like, it doesn't screw to the top of the monitor.
I gapitate it to the top of the monitor. And not at the monsters. It kept going down slowly. And it bounced back up again.
There's this high technology of going, I have loads of like tripods and stuff that I could probably use. No, let's gap a tip. I'm going to fix it with you. He's making this point on name, event horizon.
And his camera's just slowly going. Do, do, do, do. Yes. I'm really excited.
Also joining us, we have the returning masterpiece. That is the wonderful Kelly. And... Masterpiece, yes.
I'm trying to fix it. It's a Picasso. It's a Picasso. I'm like a finger painting.
Oh, yes. I'm always excited when Kelly's on. She gets my type of thing. She's a neon queen as well.
So that's always great. And once again, twice in the same week, we have the beautiful Jess, who's going to make it like a hat-ric when she's on next Sunday as well, for more rats. And she forgot about it. As you can tell by bit.
That's it. Yes. I like to spring it on you, people. Just keep it as if I could be there.
Because next week we've got Donna and Jess and Sonia. So that's going to be a fucking trip. But, yes. My gosh.
So with the room as always, Sami, please get the fucking Discord in my room. Yeah. Oh, hello. I'm going to get out of time to say it.
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We can all agree to disagree and find them. So let's keep it fun, keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of no-dism. Very well said. They go on that note.
Fuck the Tories. And it's not the party. They're just in a vote. Get them out.
Right. Yes. Yes. There's the political statement out of the way.
As I knew it was coming. This is going to be an interesting podcast because we are all a little bit tired. Some of us are a little bit delicate because even though it was his birthday last week and I said I wouldn't say happy birthday because he wasn't watching because he's a dick. I was literally busy.
That seems more like your problem than my problem. That's fine. But he is there tonight and we all celebrate the love with Graham. So happy 40th returns, Graham.
I just say, Graham put on one of the best shores that I've ever been to. I've been a voodoo bar. I've been a few drag acts in Manchester. And this was up there with some of the best I've seen.
So well done, Graham. Graham, you're shaking back. Fucking blooming. I was like, when I saw it in your ear, I was like, I never recall it.
I never recorded it over the performance. And all you can hear in the background because Kelly's right next to her is going to be shaking back. I'm pretty sure I heard it from the stage. And I wasn't sure if it was you, Kelly, but I just heard chicken back.
And you were always coming, Kelly. And you the jingle that's going on. And can I just say as well, what I loved about last night as well, that homophobia is strong and proud in someone because the amount of people that walked in that bar saw what was going on, walked ship I had me in Kings. Sunland, I am judging you.
It's really difficult because the problem is like Bobby with the event that we had was at Bobby's Sunderland. And obviously Bobby's in Newcastle is on the gay scene. It is very, very popular. It is an amazing place.
Sunderland, they opened one and it's not doing as well because I don't think he is like. I am eating it but I have to watch it. I want to even go to a con conversation and I think someone is ready for it. It is an honor to say that I am ready for it.
It is so many people. I remember the last time I was there in drag helping out, a guy came up to me and went unprooted, rammed about Sam Smith and win people who are not just looking for attention. Like you feel like you just carried this around with you. I need to unload this on the GBT.
I'm loading a box and I'm like, okay, that's good. Go to the bar and have some purpose. But no, it feels a bit weird being like, this is a gay bar. This is like the worst possible place you could initiate this conversation.
You're not a win. It was great that like, I was more surprised by the amount of people like punters that came in, like off the street. And we're just like, oh, this is mint. And then just joined in.
And they bought raffle tickets. They sort of contributed, they even contributed to like the teapot auction, which is a good nut. Yes, you heard it right there folks. We auctioned off teapots last night.
And, and, and, nerdy Lee was a proud owner of one of those teapots, yes. Which we have now made, named it as the vessel, all these beverages need to be drink out of that teapot. Otherwise we will judge him and disown him. So, yes, one of my highlights as well, when I volunteered to come up stage to play the game, it was like, you're a good player.
He was gay your cards, right? And there was this couple that came up and they must have just came off the street because they didn't know what was going on. And they didn't get the premise of gay, because the, because one, the rule of getting out of heels. Yeah, it's a, it's a very difficult one.
But the guy just kept on saying, straight, even though he's like, no, no, this person is, can't get any straight at this. It's George Clooney. I'm not gonna get it. I don't think it's going to be a straight to the mat.
And then, like, yes. And you pulled Rishi so knockout out was it. I was on the floor. No, no, no, no.
Well, it's not called Rishi so that. It's called... No, it's not Rishi. And on that note, so we're here to review a movie.
Yeah, that's right. We haven't introduced Jessica. Yes, we have. I do well there in New Zealand.
No, we did. Okay, well, introduce her again. Yes, the beautiful Jessica. Yes, Jessica, the Gothic Queen herself, who's sitting there and being separated by the heads of Mumbi herself.
And she's actually got a necklace on, like, heads being detached, so we might have to see a head change at some point as well. I mean, I hope not because that's fucking horrific. Well, could be the number C.G.I. Just like Mummy says, well, I tell you what, I do have the taglines for the movie review and tonight.
So I want to get them out the way. We can actually look at them yet. So I'm fine. I'm fine.
You're okay. It is favourite dream. So, yes. An all-new adventure down at the Yellow Brick Road.
It's an all-new live action fantasy, filled with Disney adventure and magic. There is adventure and magic in it. I was in with that. If there's one thing you must do this summer, it's Return to Oz.
Right, okay. And the last one, Return to the Land where the adventure began. LAUGHTER See, all them... The PCSD begins.
See, all them times kind of bring in, give you hope for this movie, you think it's going to be Night, Fluffy, and Edith Inan? It sounds like a U. It's not like a Universal, it's not like a fucking 12, which is what this film should be. It was a PG, wasn't it?
It was a PG, wasn't it? I think it was a PG. Very good. Oh, yes.
So, let's talk about the movie experiences. So, when did your first experience return to Oz? So, we got it just first. When was your first memory of the Singing This movie?
Memory. Oh, I think because it started getting into the slightly sort of weirder movies when I was a kid. My mum showed me actually, I think you'd probably be alright with this one. I know probably the only person that said I absolutely adore this movie, like it's one of my childhood favourites.
I've never got freaked out in it, I was like, this is visually one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. So, it's creepy, it's weird. I don't get that movie. I'm like, I loved it.
So, what about me? So, was it the VHS like you saw first of all, or TV? What's on TV? I've been a dodgy recorded off TV on the G VHS, double sided film with the Madreaux with the middle would have been on there.
That's how all movies in the end you should have been watched. Recorded on VHS with adverts in the middle. In your case, I look like a book. I also do that on the YouTube channel so they have movies and they put stuff in.
You were run with Bi-Robot, they were working. Yeah, I still feel when I hear you're long play or small play. I'm going to. I'm going to.
When long play came out, I changed the game for video recording. You could get three movies on instead of just the two and a half that you've got. What about your Grimm? What was your first experience with Amanda Vos?
Oh, well, well, well, the question phrase like that, it's really odd because I genuinely don't remember when I first saw this and I'm pretty sure it would have been on TV. We never had this on the H.S. or anything. We never had it recorded.
So it would have been one of these TV things and I kind of just have to wonder what time of day it would have been. Like, you know, it's the lunacy of you not quite knowing if it's after Watershed or not, you know, because I've messed up the movie. My first interaction with the Land of Oz was bizarrely talking about the H.S. stage.
Was an anime series that I sent you the link for earlier. It was an anime version of the Wizard of Oz called the wonderful Wizard of Oz I think. The wonderful Land of Oz I think. And it was based upon the first four books that I found it.
And it was basically I loved it so much and it had the most badass theme to you ever. But I got my grandma to work out how to do the recording on the V.S. player. So she could perform it for me every day.
And then when I got around, I could sort of watch it and stuff. And so I always just this wonderful little memory that you try and explain to someone nowadays. And I'm like, OK, what's a V.S. player?
You know, how do you see things? Do you not describe what the band had recorded? It's the show because no one seems to get it. No one seems to have seen it.
But yeah, but a return to Oz because it's such a massive deal in gay culture because it's like it's a massive, you know, where we talk about the Wizard of Oz being massive in gay culture where there's all the references such as like a gay person being a friend of Dorothy and stuff. And the metaphors crossing between them. Return to Oz is equally in there where it's one of those cult dark films that gay people just gravitate to. And yeah, and so I kind of found it.
I had that before I actually saw the film for what it was. But I'm sure I saw it as a kid at some point. Oh, cool. What about you, Sammy?
Oh, this I do remember seeing this as a kid. The likelihood is I probably saw it with me granda because me granda was the fountain of all pop, not being a pop culture knowledge. He just sitting in his chair. He never left his chair.
And we would just watch everything. So it must have been him that I watched it with. I was watching it again. I was saying this to you earlier.
It made me more comfortable, uncomfortable as an adult watching it. And I remember it did as a kid because of the kid. I just think like, I'm just looking at colors, motions and, you know, pictures and that's all it is. And now as an adult, I'm like, oh shit.
What the fuck is that? So can I even can't tell last? But there's a reason why I even became to last. It's a kind of smell.
You smell beautiful last night. I didn't just sniff you the crazy with it. That's fine. But mine, there was a video rental store in the town center.
It used to be just off park lane. And every so often I used to go like when we couldn't get a video tape in the man in the white van. We used to go there. And we, my dad used to hear it because I used to pick the same movie each week that we used to go.
Because he had to be returned to was because like that's when his video tapes back in like the eighties were quite expensive to warn. It wasn't like it was easy to rent them week by week than it was to go and buy them. And some of them it was like quite impossible to buy like brand video tapes. So I used to rent the return, return to was one because I was obsessed with the Wizard of Oz.
And I was like, that's one of my first ever movies I watched as a kid. So having anything to do with like I was law or like that type of world, even though the contrast in movies are so different. It's just mind blowing how different these two movies are. But yeah, I think because I loved films like Never In The Story and like that type of movies, it was all like on the same wavelength.
But yeah, like Sammy said, I didn't get the tones or the references in this movie. Like we're going to talk about when I was a kid watching it now, it's like more disturbing and like upset. And I guess I'm not sure if you were the characters, which you never thought you would actually do because of the treatment or how the act towards things. Yes.
So the reason I said I've laid clean last for this one because when she made the first book posted here, I'm sorry to do this to Kelly but it did touches a little bit because she said her first memory and I'll tell her sorry was was quite poignant. But I just want to do a little bit of a dedication if it's okay so just for the estate of it. I want to dedicate this episode of the podcast to your sister Joanne. Oh, no, you've got to have me cry.
Happy to be here. Happy to be here. My sister unfortunately passed away quite suddenly three years ago and it's coming up to her anniversary on the 30th. Anyway, we'll just put that on one side.
A lot of people on the North Group are aware of this and they've been very supportive as I joined the group around the times when this occurred. Anyway, so return to what? My mum took my sister to see this in the cinema. And my mum always would say, Oh, Joanne, I took you your first ever cinema trip and I was just like fucking hell.
You start your childhood. That's where the trauma starts. That's kind of a listen style. But we had a cabinet and it was filled with videos lovingly penned with the video recorder and Wizard of Oz was one of it and I absolutely played it to death to the point where it would like judder periodically through the watching it.
But my sister really, really bonded over this film and I totally get where you're coming from with when you were kid. You don't get trauma. You get the colours, the movements, no story like one of my favourite cartoons as a child was when the wind blows, which is. I used to watch this and it was elderly couple in the peak of nuclear war basically dying and I loved it because it was a cartoon.
And we used to walk in the cinema and see if you're watching it and run out screaming because I was basically watching this old couple deteriorate and their teeth were falling out and their hair was falling out and they're going to bleed in because it was a cartoon. And I really like the guy who did this again, which is obviously good, but it's so good. So looking at it, I love this film because it was fucking weird and I had this terrible habit of a child. I used to watch the film but acted out.
I used to eat her pug lunch and I used to eat her pug lunch and it was just like an invasive experience for me. I know we'll talk about the wheels but I need to get this in. One of my favourite exploits as a child, I used to have a pair of fish fries rollerscakes. Oh my God.
You know, so I would have just as they grew. I used to put them on my feet and I used to put my sisters quads on my hands. How did you not smash your feet? You said you were going to break skates and snap your foot in half.
If you were to maneuver any such way. I had a hula who put it in the kitchen and we were about the old twin tub and I used to just spied her about it. I used to eat her. Kelly, we had the inspiration for the ring.
I had like some kind of one that grew up. Wow. I love the emotion. I love the emotion.
I was sitting there being like, I hope today's a normal day. And then you're like, I'm a wheeler. My children. I just used to crack on and make me order.
It's even because my sister and my brother, my sister was eight years old. My brother was 12 and they had no interest in this little weird thing. It used to be a cayon fun. It was all about watching stuff that perhaps I shouldn't have been.
Oh my God. Kelly, I wish we were friends when we were younger because you sound like a fucking boot. Thanks to magic. I'm coming out of the plane.
She comes. Oh, wow. I was just like, just like getting a tic. I was just like, that's got somebody waiting.
Pick one. Wait. You're all about to talk to the one thing, actually, because you just remind us. I know it was the time when we got once it was together with the house because I was doing what I thought it was like, learn them.
And she gave me a pair of skills. My granddad used to be very like, I don't know what to make. And he made a pair of stills, so she gave it. He stills, I was like, Oh, so for like the next three hours, like a few times.
And by the end of the day, I was walking round the streets of very well, or the pair of still to go up and down curbs and like go with them. With that you're the legend of the up and you are the legend of the weird kids that one still is a walk around that people used to talk about. I have a strange feeling that the Wizard of Oz isn't quite as strange as your life Kelly. I don't want to exist but you know that's not to be fair it's Kelly exists for anything going to exist now but yes.
You guys might want to be exactly the same as my brother and sister we're like seven and ten years older than me so being that weird kid it's like everyone's older and grown up so I mean we've always just all me. And then just such a wicked couple. Oh Kelly you've got the chat absolutely Christ. You've made them cry ugly tears and laughing tears all at the same time.
All the emotions out of them. I know I was being a little bit of a thing just when you put that post though I couldn't not have ignored it. It's a good dedication for our legacy. I miss our every day and we bonded so we would like quote things out of it.
We used to go around Manana's house and touch our ornaments and shout. It was like having a shout Doris again at each other. Doris again. I have to say after watching this film again on Wednesday I've literally been sending people voice notes being like is that actually?
I couldn't just tick it. It's just like how ludicrous like it's done. Oh I think the fourth film I can in aspect when you think about it is what is it class as the official sequel to Wizard of Oz now or no is it just a. It's not related at all.
I think they had to actually pay royalties to MGM to use the aspects that MGM brought into the the law. It's the reason you don't have half of the characters back in it is because they wouldn't give them up. Yeah. It seems with the issue because the rights of the lapse by the time they chose to return was that the shoes technically are MGM's who think in the book they're actually silver.
They're like it wouldn't be right now. The silver's for you to sit and pay for the rights just to have those shoes in for that small amount of time. And all with the shoes because that was why the Ruby servers weren't in the GM's triangle one. The great power of Oz because that was the one thing that couldn't get the rights back for D'Shore was the Ruby.
I think that's in wicked as well. They use silver shoes with like a white on them. Yeah, yeah. They change it to red.
It's like what? I want to mention the differences between this and the books it's based upon. Yeah. Kind of excited about that.
I'm excited about that. I'm scared to scream. I've read the fucking books. That's it.
That's okay. I love that because I'm interested to know about the differences. But it's one of these things that's not it's they're really similar in some ways and then you just like like one thing I'll say before we get on to it is we talk about how dark this film is and how it's like so sinister and so and yet in the book versions there's so much humor. There's all these comedy characters that exist in the book like C-3BO kind of things from start with like comic relief and they just end no no we'll take those characters out and you're like you had the perfect chance to make this a kids film and you went no we will deliberately not and you're like okay well let's start the start out like at the start of the movie as well because like they've got busy Dorothy with PDSC from like the time of Oz where she's like dreaming about it and the anime is good to stop tournament.
Oz's got damage. Yes it's just Aunt Mere is bloody pivalory the man of Oz. I was like I'm just in picture of Jack. Yeah the man of all moms I was like oh my god she doesn't stand a chance.
No she's kind of got left another silent for the rest of my deans now. I'm already from Kerry. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah.
Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.
Oh my god. I got like one of our society stories welcome to the chat as Ed and the thing did anyone else pick up green ornaments and say Oz no matter what they were that's exactly what Kelly was talking about. That's just Kelly's life now I think I've to see you in a dumbo say okay. I can't feel just walking around.
Oh my god let's do it. Let's have a day trip. No you've not day trip to either see him carve out sale or time. Oh we wouldn't make it out.
We wouldn't make it out. See him carve out sale. What some of us would get killed. It's my teapods I would get.
Oh my god keep leeway. Oh my god. But yeah the ghost trip quite dark with this one as well. Like at the start especially with like how Dorothy has been tracked.
It's kind of like she's the pariah of the family now because she has these thoughts and it's kind of like losing the farm. The house is not getting built in or the house themselves. It's like fucking hell it's not that bad these days. But then you see the newspaper article where it's like fix your fix your family with electoral therapy and shit like that.
It's like yes girls having weird dreams. Let's let's give a little bit of me fucking out. She wasn't even having a weird dream because she wasn't even she wasn't sleeping. That was the problem.
She wasn't getting too sleep. The initial internship is not being able to sleep but it's almost like a mind is just full of this land that is preferable to the land that she's actually in you know what I mean. It's like the 1900s depression is everywhere you know a Google Henry kind of be asked to build this fucking house. It's like it's meant to be suspended.
That was fine. It's just like she's doing this. The thing is bear my hand and it's not a mum and dad either. It's just not this preferable sort of like you know a haven in her head.
But you can't sleep and it's like I almost see it as what they're trying to do is just stifle her as a person as an individual you know what I mean. So let's get these fucking electrodes through your head. It's like being all like a cat. From it whenever you watch today I'm sort of like a little cry while I'm watching it to be honest because it's horribly siding me to take context who would be the most powerful.
But then the parents is like the thing when you hear Anem says they're going to have to get them all over the world and never consider getting them all over the world. They don't know if they're going to survive in the winter. Like what will happen? That puts Dorothy in a precarious position.
They could lose her. You get taken away and that stresses apparently just trying to hold everything together and you don't know what to do to fix that child. So you pick an object and it's not a good option. But you do whatever you can if you see something that might just help because there's an absolute loss now of what to do and how much further will this damage she goes on.
It's not a great option to get for like a third week fix them. I kind of got it. So this is all we've got now. This is what we have to try and do.
It ties in a lot with modern stuff nowadays because we have a horrible thing where we still haven't banned conversion therapy in terms of the idea of just going oh and people think that people take their kids to conversion therapy or they try to use religion to get gay out of them or whatever. And people think it's always bad. It's always because they're homophobic or something like that. But a lot of the time they're just going we just want our child to have a normal life.
And they kind of see this going hey if you have a gay life that's going to be hard for them. That's going to be difficult for them. And it's this roundabout weird way of trying to care in some places. And you're just like and that's kind of what this is where they're literally going we don't know how to help.
This days it'll help. We're at the end of our road. And it's kind of crazy doing parallels like that. Nobody can see it now though.
That's again that's why what's the gay community is drawn to this movie is because any type of society it's like like probably women as well. They can say they were trying to certain way or like if it's certain times it's all differently you were like oh let's burn her out of the sea type things she must be a witch for wanting to read a book type thing at certain ages in time. I'm not saying it's the same now but it's really to be fair. I mean the thing is there's a lot of metaphors in this film.
I don't think it's intentional at all but you know when someone gets picked up on and then it becomes like the de facto metaphor. Obviously this is a euphemism for drugs and the idea of basically like where's the idea of Dorothy effectively has had this wonderful experience this magical thing that she's experienced during the Great Depression during this awful thing. And then basically now she's in cold turkey. Now she's basically sort of going oh all you can think about is that experience.
That moment. And it's the people around them not knowing how to help and not really going that's cool. Like it's like you know taking the hallucinogenics. I mean I mentioned it in the group chat about the Scissors sisters have a wonderful song called Return to Was on their debut album and it's all comparing Return to Was the movie to Crystal Meth and what happened with Crystal Meth where basically everything was so bad people were taking it they were getting hooked on it and stuff and then the world just becomes a horrible place.
The Emerald City's falling apart you know you've got all these talking heads. It's a beautiful beautiful song that basically you know basically describes the come down of this kind of addiction life to Return to Was where you go hey I kept taking the hit and then eventually it became this back on landscape when not what it was. And I quite like it. I quite like the idea of this being the parents being like hey stop talking about this wonderful life you could have had you're here now.
Yeah you've got to live in this moment and she finds it very difficult to do so. It's the trip to the Sanitarium. And then you meet the doctor as well with his describing how friendly his machine is with his fears and stuff like that. I'm sorry that was not a friendly machine.
Yeah it does not. I do not want that anyway. This one's got a little fucking tight tongue. It's the tongue goes to the left you die.
You'll let it go to the right. But I'm glad as well that when the went to the Sanitarium they made it look as horrific as busy as it could be. So that's where again when you think about this is a kid's movie or mend a be. So that's what was lost at me as a child.
But when I watch it now it's like fucking hell like Dorothy's basically your prisoner and how bleak it is when she sees Aunt M driving away in the carriage as well and that little thing. All she says is can you make sure you bring torto back for us tomorrow as well. Which reminds us I need to bring this up right. The most heart-wrenching moment of I put this as high as the fucking horse in a no-wrenching story right is when torto is running get out of fucking house, follows the car, enters it.
Look at this guy, what's the child? How long have he gone? I used to have to fast forward that. Is that what I like?
Fucking eyes out because of the dog. But if Toto had come with her he would have fucked shit up. Yeah. Just getting a impression of Toto wasn't being hit by you.
He was fucking there. Yeah there's going to be absolute massacre. Yeah fucking beast mode. No king fucking.
Yeah. To be further when Toto didn't in the window bars to the county lion, he taught him a lesson. So no one's going to mess with him. It's like in a film where you get the really tough character.
Like it's like you know like Miss Captain Marvel where they're like oh Captain Marvel can't solve this solution because they're magically away at the moment. You're like how convenient for a baby. I like how to go oh well Toto didn't come this time. Yeah I told him that was a Harrier that was, he was part of a pack of other dogs who auditioned.
Toto hadn't, one who played, I think he was called topsy. I quickly get in the name completely wrong. But he was the only one who could do things on command that he'd never been trained. He never had any train in whatsoever and they were like okay we're just going to take him.
And he lived this like fantastic life of you know movie sets and being completely camped. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I think what it was quite sad about that moment as well as how like nonchalant and yeah it was with Toto. It was like don't it's like will you be okay? It's like yeah.
Didn't even look back. It's like yeah. Yeah. It's like miles away from the house.
What do you get to farm dog? True. You get to find out what the working dog. Yeah.
Yeah. Like farms and stuff. The animals are pretty much know what they're doing. They don't you don't tend to take them in the house or anything like that.
They're literally their own source. You'll know about exactly as far as you go. They need to turn. It's a voluntary.
Yeah. And you used to breed them. They're very much working dogs. And they don't particularly like friendly dogs either.
Not like a paddy or terrier who's like completely non friendly but they are. And they have their own set ways. Oh yes. Toto was a sad one.
Yes. Back to the side. I'm sorry. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know. To be a sad one. To be a sad one.
To be a sad one. Let's see if we're gonna. I'm with get the first introduction of Osmer, don't we as well. Who quickly can walk through doors and when they're.
Not to name. Hello, Dorothy. How many do you talk with? I'd be like if I was always like, bitch, move on you.
Dorothy is very trusting with anyone that actually comes in the con act that's like, oh, dear friend, it's like, it's like, lay on the night out. It's like, friends. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.
If you'd literally been on an adventure where you know, like all these ladies have you killed someone by throwing water on them. And I think someone knowing your name ahead of time is probably the least. to be fair though she was probably still traumatized by all the munchkin know she's actually witnessed all the bullying from that went on She was a child she was a bend she wasn't Judy Garland's age when she did it's like she was an adult I'm trying to find the actresses who played who were meant to play her because there was so many names that came on It was like Drew Barrymore was in there, one of them There were all ones that kind of went off to do sort of weird films anyway They all got a child's like sort of starting off and then went off to kind of be quite skewer But I know that you're trying well Scary rule that take on though as well if you think about like you're gonna play Dorothy Gale Like say not the follower but in a different tale of the tone of the voice It's like you can't think shit so I've got to follow Judy Garland Oh, well, yeah But this is a really interesting thing so the director of this movie was actually removed from it because he was going wheel the budget and The studio was like we need to pull you back. He went and did the bossiest thing of all time He calls his mates and he's me it George Lucas He's Steven Spielberg and it was one of the who I can't remember who Francis Goldpow below That's it.
Yeah, and let him do his movie And they all said we'll step in yeah, we'll all contribute Yeah, he just got his mates on the phone and went and he'd this sort and all three of them came in and stepped up to it George Lucas said if he doesn't do certain things we will fill the gaps in wow Do you wonder though if the other people were like could we possibly make it child's sake? This is I have the list of the other potential dartheries Drew Barrymore was definitely one of them And Tony and Gus just just already. I don't know who that is And and the most brilliant one which blows my mind to even think that she was even contributed in part of this Alonist Marissette. Yes.
God God would have been good Alonist Marissette and Juliet Lewis Was always just like I was a famous child I knew there was a name in there that was interesting that I couldn't remember who it was and when I read it Yes, I was like no, but we found the probabilist went when he young looking last peel and not much color Jakes just like say lost a lot of time Elizabeth Berkeley was another one interesting. Yeah, yeah Apparently the list was huge and she came in with these wide eyes and she was the ears the needed as well Yeah, you know like It's just like because I think she went on to do the worst switch after this yeah, yeah, so I mean Absolutely Yes, I would probably say like because this is the problem It's the fact of like you've got to go. What is Dorothy Gale as a character in the original Wizard of Oz like obviously um, oh What's the name? Judy Garland Judy Garland Wait, what's going on here?
The game council is going to get me What was yesterday? I'm going to fucking dovigarnas They're going to take my gay card off me so I don't know if I'm going to get a 10% off of 8 to them anymore Now in turn 40 he became straight Oh no, oh no Oh no, oh damn it I love the clam anyway I love the clam anyway Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Right She's rubbing off on me Oh that's even more straight That's great That's lovely It's the fact that Judy Garland is perfect in the original Wizard of Oz with wonderful magic and optimism and stuff But James about it is insanely perfect for this one like, it's not this look of fear This look of sort of like this a age to her that basically just is she's so good in this She's amazing for a child, you know How did you feel about how they got her back to us this time? Cause it wasn't a tour of your door anything like that it was like almost like a thunderstorm. Kenny looks like she's got a pin in the booth.
Kenny looks like a little ridge through the screen. Right, yes, I am going to hop out of the books. So this is based on the third, which is also a verbose. What happens when Uncle Henry is not very well.
So he's going to go on Australia to convalesce. Is he a criminal, is he? He's going to say to go on Australia. And I just want to see on the farm and crack on.
And Dorothy's just going to go on with him. You know what I mean? So the one is bought and she goes to the board in a chicken coop thing. Chicken, chicken, chicken cage.
And that's why she's got this chicken with her. This is Belina. Belina who is actually called Bill. Nice chicken says medium still.
Jonathan's like you can't be called Bill. You would go. It's like well it was the name I was given. What's wrong with it?
So he has to feminize it. Yeah, Dorothy the transfer. It's like Nigel, Nigel, a little leader. What I don't get is how this fucking chicken at her farm appears.
It's really magic. Really magic. I call bullshit. It's just a snake on the cart.
Like how we should actually just just just just just ridiculous. It's really odd because it is the bizarre beard that the thing that's so dark about this is the entirely made up it. Like it's the sort of thing that being in the chicken coop with the chicken and arriving in Oz is the book that is also more from Oz that is how they get towards that one. Everything about the sanitarium and everything about that.
It does not exist in the books. It's literally and you're like so the darkest part of this movie you can't even use the excuse of Oh well it was a time it was the time in the place. I mean, but it is strange. It doesn't really.
You can't really fix me off. I'm just like James. What is it? It's just like how did you get a fan of your smuggle there in or if you saw like in the cart and then you jump out and then go pecking at the river.
Fair enough, but it's just like belay. I know he didn't even question what you do. Do you do it here? Her story is so kind of like a ninja though with her.
Jack's head later. Just being like she is just class like with the lunch feel. I hope it's not fried chicken. I like this.
You're a chicken. But it is. That's when the counter balloons. That's it.
I think you see the scene obviously using the water. Nurty me is just kind of like I quite like it because of the both girls going to the water. I'm only one guess out. I was somewhere along the way.
She knows she's there but I was that whole context the entire movie is where she go. Yeah, yeah, she's getting away from everybody. I kind of like that she sinks down and there's no like it is weird when they come up. But she's really questioned.
There's another little girl in that water. You know, she's really cool. I can see where she was. She's just like.
She's more happy. Just feel like. Oh, I thought she died. I mean, I thought that we time.
But she just doesn't she alluded like oh, I, you know, I should use the body. It's like. Okay. Oh, yeah.
Hi. It's like just but she was constrating one that she was back to was that was the main thing for Dorothy that she got back and she was trying to find a friend. But I do like we got a little bit more of the law of Oz now because like the desert just. It's again nightmare for you.
If you're a kid of the Eddy's, you were terrified of Sam because we were told how scary quick sand was and how important to see. We have a quick sand was going to be in our lives. I never played with the sound of the power. I was about to say.
Yes. Well, yeah, that's when we got the first introducing to the deadly desert. So then Dorothy's just like, oh, yeah, if we stand and it will die and she'll be a soft scratch over the rocks. So I was like, can you just kind of.
Yeah, is that something that's mentioned in the original? Is it all because she's a lot about that? The desert. No, I think the problem with the film is basically it's.
You know how they're using the booty slippers rather than going to the book and having the silver like a slip. I think they're basically basing it as though it's osmo of Oz and she has all of the stuff that happened in the original book, but they're also trying to go. Oh, but also fans of the original film here's some stuff. Oh, right.
I'm going to blend them. So she knows what she learned in the first book, even if it wasn't in the film. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. This is my seven years old in the first one, which is why it's not actually not. No, it's after. For anyone new listening tonight, this is why we have a disclaimer at the start guys as well.
It's just in. No, that's the best thing that's been mentioned. Not on this podcast. It's been mentioned on track and quite a lot.
Imagine. All the tangents we have on Friday. Oh, hey, I know I'm blocking on. I'm not even talking about trick.
What's going on? I thought we started talking about the episode. Like, right? So coming back to us.
Sorry, I totally got you off. I'm not about being able to read the books. I never had them, but it was someone else doing like a little review of stuff that I missed here. And they mentioned, Dorothy's maybe seven year old in the actual visit of Oz.
It actually states the age or anything, but the way she goes on, she does go on like a child. It's important to anyone. I don't think she's double figures. You know what I mean?
Yeah. And I think that's like what kind of works for her being able to be in this weird place and having that child like innocence and just like she kind of knows how it works. But yeah, she is meant. I would say like 70 at night.
Yeah. I think we're trying to watch this was 10. So I've been in like post-whisper possible to do the garland being 17. So cause we play this whole chat.
That's going to be kind of a catchout. It's going to take these drugs. Don't get any more weird truly. You'll be fine.
It's not going to mention up for the rest of your life. I'm not going to say because obviously society's space has mentioned it in the chat and it's something that we probably need to mention at some point. Like with the first film where it basically went, oh, okay, here's all of the characters in Oz are people that she knows in real life. So basically she wakes up the end.
She's like, oh, you know, if you were there and you were there and stuff and it's the fact that this does the same thing. Yes. That's something I didn't realize because obviously the head nurse is mommy. It is the known case.
But I didn't realize that all the workers at the asylum are the we. I never picked up on that, but it makes perfect sense. You didn't want to look at the way it was in the fierce too often because they literally just scared you. But one thing I wanted to mention as well is the idea that it's all a hallucination.
The first one goes, is this a dream? Like is Dorothy actually nuts in this one? Like, you know, when this is all just a dream? Yeah.
The ending as well, the fact that they are supposed to be the same people and mentioned that the doctor died. Like the king. Did you do Dorothy? I'm an egg.
He was an actor and tolerant. He was vegan. He was vegan. He was an Asian.
He was like, he just fucking gave you a mask. It's like Frank from all he's an equal egg. Well, yeah. One thing I do want to turn is like when she gets off, makes it deadly desert.
It's the first time we introduced to the practical effects in the movie, like probably where we get the rocks moving and you see the fish on the bathroom. Again, as a child, this is one of the first things I did scare me. I was like, oh, that's not right. It did have labyrinth vibes.
But I think me and Sammy were talking about before. It's like stop motion that they use, isn't it? I believe. I couldn't find the technique of what it was because it felt like stop motion, but then also claim what claimation at the same time because of how it maneuvers around.
I was like, is there a certain technique that they used or something because Brian Henson is heavily involved in this movie, given that he is one of the characters there? I was like, has he done something? And I just couldn't have the life of his mind, anything that was related to it. I think I looked into it.
So all of the non-king sort of like little things that just following around and watching what's called a talk of the nation. Non-king is done also in stop motion. It's like it's both technically in the movie to use both methods and doing it to keep it really nice and creepy. And it was very creepy.
It's genius though. It's a testament to how amazing practical effects are. We talk about movies like The Thing where you just go, this looks so good because it's practical effects. We're seeing what you would have dated by now.
And then with this one, there was one bit that I had to unwind it when we were watching it just about how did they do that? Because it's not the end where basically we see the non-king is full-climation and he's like when he dies. And it's when he's sitting on his throne and it's obviously like, it's plain-based or stop motion and there's fire behind him. And they actually animate the lighting effect of the fire that well.
Can you imagine just being like, okay, move them slightly. Oh, and make the brightness of the fire slightly more. But then you just go, these people are geniuses. I mean, see, you just go, they probably did.
Yeah, they probably did. The sets of this whole movie are unreal. Like, there are some detailed intricate sets on here that you kind of like, I always remember as a kid wanting to be in Monby's bloody house of heads. I just meant...
Take a wait off your shoulders. Yeah. But Sammy's made a good point though about the sets because that did throw me when I watched this as a kid. When I watched it now as an adult, I appreciated so much more because when you think about Bach, Wizard of Oz, I know we all got a reference that quite close because Wizard of Oz was Technicolor.
Everything was super like neon brights, like everything just like Sean and Lux shiny. With this being such a dark and bleak move, like like Emerald City destroyed the Yellow Brick Road. But even the bricks for the Yellow Brick Road looked fucking horrible. Yeah, they didn't agree at all.
Did they? I liked how she got to the Emerald City in like five minutes. They all took our fucking ages. She knew where she was going this time.