I'm going to jump down and jump down to this ship. How does something scary, Nodie? Like scary. Uh huh.
Hell it does. We came, we saw, we kicked it out. Beel Dost. We showed that.
That was my key topic. To roll our cover sucks. We're live. We're live.
Hey everyone and welcome to the Nerdy of North Podcast. It's a Nerdy by Desi in a supposed to buy another Nerds. I am what you've all done. And I am the other horse Paul.
Oh, and we are joined tonight. It's your turn. Very all in Breakfast Club. We have the Fantasy Queen, Sonia.
We have the gamer, Jig, and we have the bookworm that is Kelly. Hey everyone. I'm very, very, very lovely. I didn't know we're in detention today.
I was told about this. My intention on a Sunday, that would support anything else. I could say that the detention is bad, but a Sunday one would be the worst. How carefully can we sell this?
It's actually legal for them to do that. And they keep kids on a Saturday? I don't know. They keep kids.
They keep kids on a day. They keep kids on a day. Oh yes. They're in your cage.
So yes, we are joined by a horse full of Nerds this evening. We have the returning that might need that is Kelly. It's been a minute since we had. The last time we had, how do you want to be a princess bride?
Yeah. This is just for an episode. It was. So you become, you become a bit of the 80s queen now.
And I haven't been a bit tight cast. You don't watch anything else. Yeah. I'm stuck in the era that I always think is 20 years ago, but it's actually 40 years ago.
Yeah. I just thought my soul, my soul struggled a little bit there. As you said that. So yes, just before we do get started as well, I just want to say a big thank you to Michael for last night.
And I do want to offer an apology for everyone who joined us in the chat who were expecting us to do that. We didn't deliver, but we delivered something different. We delivered passion. We delivered nerdism.
And we delivered facts and figures. We give a lot of facts and figures. And you got a bit of home decorating as well. So that was all interesting there.
Interior design was no, no, it was interesting. So Sammy, do you want to do your disclaimer? I think with the amount of people will leave off the, what you've watched recently because we'll be watching the same thing as I think. I don't think anyone wants to, a moonshine in their, uh, recurve tickets.
No, I'm really, I'm really. I cut it, cut his mic. Well, everything disgusting today's episode is our opinions and it's our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, please come and join us on the Facebook page.
It is called all the comments section where we can have an open discussion. But we won't have as anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong. We can all agree to disagree in fandom. So let's keep it fun to be kind and keep the toxic behavior out of a nerdism.
Very well said there. Thank you. Oh, yeah. And just to see as well, does matter what the chat say or what this in the discord.
This will not be a topless episode. That was a one time deal. It happened a lot went down last night. There was a toplessness.
There was agreements made over certain things that will be done to a certain cult leader. If we get to a certain number, I will be holding him to that. We watched how Michael ate a cream egg. It was.
We didn't die to eat the cream egg. That was a joke. I never paid it. It's quite a bit sexy and seductive and the end of chorping on it.
And these man was watching and sent my missing. Michael, I can never unsee this again. It's so funny. It's not like a snake.
It's trying to be funny. It was like a funny, funny word should see it. What's saying that I think the number I said was 2000 subscribers by July. We have hit a few numbers.
We're up to 1793 now. There's a lot like my beard. We'll be getting a certain color. We'll follow on with that.
Green and blue. Green and blue. I know he's purple. I know he's purple.
It's just a little bit. It's a little bit. It's going to be brown to Jake as well. But just to give a figure as well.
I want to try and give this update as well. I'm still getting blown away by this. I know it sounds stupid. We give a number last night.
I think the number we were at was 42,000. Do you want to know what number we're at now? 44,000. Wow.
What are they all doing? What is happening? It's not going to unleash the bots. Did we just acquire the internet?
I don't want to just untemptent. Why are so many people? I don't know. Working hard.
The Nerdie Up North Cult is growing. We are going to inhabit 44,000. That's probably a small city. Shall we see?
They're going to get a stadium filled out with 44,000 if we got everyone in the same room. Am I going to do with everyone? I'm locked in the city. Don't fall.
I'm going to get everyone in the way. Yes. That's when the song Singing the Cream Eggs. Everyone has to take a Cream Egg and show us how to eat it.
You can't leave until you do it. There's no one to do George's explanation because that was quite wrong. That's how it all started. It was done during talking about how the pair of them didn't eat a Cream Egg because neither one of them in their description put a Cream Egg into their mouth.
Sick bastards. We're going to talk about a wholesome family movie. Yeah. Anyway.
We'll be done at the theatre. Are we? No. Before we get started with the Vephyrus Club, I have the taglines for this movie.
Now, there was three actuals too. So the first one is they only met once, but it changed their lives forever. So never met each other again because... That's the idea of it because this is it.
She even says we'll never see each other again. However, the second one is five strangers with nothing in common except for each other. Generally don't get that one. I generally do not get that one.
Wait, if we're strangers then you who the word that's seen them in the house, what a lot of Billy Bullshit. They are the taglines. What was the third one you cut out? It was long.
It was like for a tagline, I felt like it was given a complete description of the movie. I was like, I'm not saying that. Might have spent a script from the trailer. But I'm coming up.
You know what? It probably was that it was in a world. In a world. What I do have though is the opening, which isn't the...
What's his name? Got it written down somewhere? Anthony Michael Hall's opening. I have the David Bowie one.
Right. Absolutely beautiful to start this off with. So, it says, and these children that you spit on as they try to change their world are immune to your consultations. They are quite aware of what they are going through.
Trich, trich, trich change. Adam, are you supposed to smash this reen when you thought that I read it? That's like brings like glass. I was a dress girl for me.
When I have a look at it's what was the reason behind the smash screen, and apparently it was one of John Hughes's worst pieces. I really regret putting that in. It was one of his biggest regrets. one of these biggest regrets.
Yes. So it should have been like one of those cheesy transitions, like it should have transitioned into someone breaking something in the school. Yeah. Those are questionable decisions like say in this movie as well.
So but it is regarded as an iconic classic. It is a John Hughes movie and it is what comes out as one of the best John Hughes movies as well, which is quite quite an actual saying just depends on how many like classics and hits that John Hughes had, especially in the early 90s and early 90s as well. Now I know I've watched this movie so many times that I can close my eyes, I can picture scenes, I can't quite remember exact dialogue, but it always said something. And Jake, this was the first time you were watching it, was it?
Or have you watched it earlier? Nope. First time yesterday. No way.
So interesting. I'm going to be so interested in like know what your take is knowing you've only seen it now and not seen it when it was out. Yeah. Also, I'm similarly interested in hearing like, you know, what you guys think of like whether we stick up for it or not.
Yeah. No, I didn't hit it. As you know, some people do hit this movie and think it's yeah. I don't.
I wouldn't have come on if I hated it. I wouldn't have wanted to be that controversial, but I definitely think watching it back, I was a bit like, holy shit, there are some questionable decisions in this film that you wouldn't be able to do now. That's why I was acceptable in the 80s and a lot of people in the fucking 80s. Like, but that is an interesting point.
That was one of the questions I was going to ask as well, because I've like, as you said, I've watched this movie so many times, I think watching it now and watching it with a new set eyes, there is language used and there is like tones used that is very, very much of its time. And I think that's the best described. It's not, it wouldn't be acceptable now. It will be like looked at or they would have used that type of language as an effect.
But I think at the time, it was just a throwaway line or a throwaway word that was not used for impact, but just used as almost like what we used to experience at school, especially during the 80s as well, where like the words that I'm not going to say because I don't want to get demonetized again. Again, it's yeah, it's an interesting one because like, you know, we've all been to school, like, we know that school kids will pick like the absolute like worst thing to possibly say, and that will be like the most popular thing to say. So like, I don't think it's like, you don't need to judge this movie is bad because of that, because like, that's legit, like what people were doing back then. And it's not as if the in the movie like the plate for laughs or anything, like the using like the F slur is like, like, that's like not something you should say to people.
Like, yeah. And I think the thing that shocked me about it as well is when it was used on the locker, like, when you say, yeah, then it's got that word just and blip, like, and bleep, like, and bleep is on there. I think that was like quite like, and in all, it's in the 80s film, and it's I think what's the right, I think it's a PG, you wouldn't know. Really?
Yeah, I think it's on your PG, even though it's got drug references and an F bombs in there as well. Yeah, we have one F bomb. Like, I'd say the rules are quite a few. Yeah, no, but the no, the do cover it up with a weird guitar, like part, don't the show.
The roof as well, you shout shit, but because it's all it's like shit, like, so it doesn't actually say shit. Shit shit. You just go shit. Yeah.
That is quite true actually. So, but strategic. Because I didn't say it too young, because I think I wouldn't have understood it, but I probably saw the references to this movie, because when this movie came out, it was copied. I think we talked about it beforehand.
There was an whole episode of Dawson's Creek that was pretty much just ripped off the Breakfast Club where Dawson finds out that Joey's in love with her and that changes the dynamic of the program. So, the go big with the Breakfast Club, but it's on like every single, like American TV show or as Sun years by now, it's not another team movie. It does a good reference to it as well. I feel like I'm so much.
It is probably one of them. And it is parodied so much in like American culture and stuff. It's the same principle, isn't it? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's interesting as well, because this was my education to American schools. This is what I thought American schools were like, because you got saved by the bell, you got California dreams.
These is what we thought like American schools were like, and we were going to like British schools and thinking, why are you dealing with this shit when they're going to have this time of the lives doing random shit, even in detention? We got lockers. We got girls in reflection. We just got fireworks being launched in the class.
What do we feel? Scaler would be like funny parts, gone through the air. No, I'm not trying to think about the guns. Does that repel the way?
I don't think that's one last. It's interesting though, because like, it's the thing that isn't relatable, I think to, I don't know, it probably is to some people, but it seems like American, like in movies, I don't know if it was really like this and it is, but the parents like put unbelievable pressure on like these. Oh, bless them. Blue Brian.
I suppose some people's parents might have been like this, but mine were pretty chill about stuff. Do you want to know what a fun fact about Brian's parent who was in the car? That was his actual mum. Oh, right.
He was actually getting shouted at by his real mother. He was going to break down and cry. Every single person. I did think that was awesome though.
I mean, it's not like subtler anything, but how they all get like dropped off in slightly different ways. That kind of shows the background. I did really like appreciate that. I immediately know all the dynamics here.
And then Jad Nelson just appears. Yeah, that's the thing. He has no parents, the worst of all. We're talking about the cast as well, because it wasn't interesting cast.
I think I did a poll on Twitter earlier because I know Goodwill loves his balls, so I'm trying to get on board with that. Do you really believe that the cast were teenagers or were they all in the 30s, except from Michael, Michael C Hall, who looked 12 in this all? I know and I know their actual ages. All right.
So I would say it was like half and half, if I had to like half were believable. Everyone was believable except Jad Nelson because yeah, fucker looks funny. He looks so old. He's like bigger than everyone else.
Giant. And when he says eat my shorts, is this like, oh my god, your old man, you like, please stop. Stop being inspired by your vaseimson. What the heck?
Yeah, see, all of our shirts. So what were the actual the edges? Okay, so the two youngest is Molly Ringwald and Michael C Hall, Anthony Michael Hall. Yes, evil does die tonight.
He was 17 and Ali Shidi and Amelia Rastaves were 22 and Jad Nelson was 25. He was 25. He was 25. Um, 1985, the same year as this came out.
There was another film that came out that is kind of classified some as the unofficial sequel of the Breakfast Club, which is set at Elmo's Fire by Jad and that was the same year. And basically it's the same sort of like dynamic group of friends from school making the transition, you know, like coming out of college and like rasping life after college. And you've got Ali Shidi in there with Jad Nelson and they're a couple. And I mean the rest of us in there.
Yeah, well, Demi Muir in that movie is having a full on come down in one of the scenes and it actually was a trip through like come down. They had her tanked up the day before and then just left her in a room to do the scene. And she was on this massive come down with them. Or windows open and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like playing four and B's grades, Chase is like, yeah. So you're right. I was fine. It's weird.
So it's just it's weird how like, you know, the same year that's kind of like these two because you've got the whole the Brat Pack, you know, they were the sort of people who were like, I know, but I love Dan a lot of time. You had these kind of like people who hung around with each other and they kind of like crossed over in certain films like Robert Downey, Jr was part of it. So I just got parked and all used to hang out and get like totally booed. But it's it's weird because my experience with the breakfast club, I didn't watch it until I was like kind of college university age.
I actually watched that Elmo's fire before. That was one of like my kind of 80s films as opposed to like, you know, that was the first one I saw. It usually kind of translates as the other. And then I love it because I had Rob Lowe in it.
Oh, Rob Lowe. Oh, that guy. It's Rob Lowe's back. He did have a saxophone, but it's Rob Lowe who's breaking down Demi-Moo's door.
He's the one who eventually saves up from the air, come down from hell. But to be fair though, I might be a bit of a roman then because my introduction into these type of 80s movies like the John Hughes movies was Weird Science. So yes, this is my first. And then we had signed second and to this day, still have never seen 16 candles.
Never seen 16 candles. That's something that didn't really I watched it on there. Kind of like, again, I think for a long time 16 candles and the breakfast club was on the same DVD, you could buy them. Yeah, almost like a double feature.
But it was like that and pretty in pink as well. Like the same type of movies. As you said, with the cast, we got introduction introduced to all of the different personalities. As you said, you got the jock, you got the thief, you got the weirdo, you got the princess, and you got the brain.
An interesting type of detention as well, where it's normally when you go in there, they're not allowed to study, they're not allowed to do anything. They just have to busy sit and busy. Like, think about what they have to get into that situation. Well, Mr.
Verne. Now, Mr. Verne, would you describe as the villain of the of the facial? No, it's just a little game.
I generally didn't get that from him when he screamed in the fender and getting up the detentions. It's almost like a tough love with him. And he looks so disheartened when he leaves the room and he's like, shit, I've just had to fucking do that. I was like, I don't want to see him as a villain.
I say, I'm just trying to get through. That part in the boiler room, doesn't that? That was awful. Yeah, it's not good.
It's fine. You know what? I absolutely love the Janet. I love the moment where the Janet and the principal have that conversation when he's just like, oh, these are the kids that are going to be looking after me.
And he's just like, look, they've always been like this since you were a kid, and they will be like this when we're green, old and dead. Like, this is kids, this is what kids do. You're just looking at it different because you work here and you're old, like get over it kind of thing. I fucking love Carl.
You know who originally was, Carl? No. Rick Moranis. Shit.
Shit. That would have had the same impact on that. There was creative differences between John Hughes and Rick Moranis to where he left just before film and but it was Rick Moranis. But I like that.
I think I can't help but look at Verne as the dude from Die Hard as well. So I just feel like, yeah. Automatically just doing it twice. Many, no, yeah.
But the crazy thing about it though, like the tasking Mr. Verne sets them to do as well. It's hard. Like, because as you say, it meant to be 15, 14 year old, like they have a detention school, right?
A thousand word essay describing yourself, like who you are. Who do you think you are? Exactly. I couldn't even do that now.
Never mind at that age. That age, like you do. Yeah. I do feel like the level of reflection that's expected of them is quite them.
But I don't know if it's actually explicitly stated, but in America, high school goes till you're 18. Oh yeah. They actually could be well older than 15, 14. Yeah, maybe 16, 17.
Now I hope so given some of the sexual inappropriateness. That it is. It's so good. But that's, I think it's all talk though.
That's, yeah. Oh yeah, of course it is. And that's been us when we were 15, 16 years old, like we were all borsten or sin, like, sort of bullshit lies just to try and make sense. Oh, it's no meaning.
Just me. Just me. The scene, there's that one scene where Ben is under the table and it's pretty much implied in this kitchen, while he went world. Like it's really like, it's more than just words.
Yeah. We put his head in there. Yeah. We see pants.
Like, yeah, no, I would be the nerd who was like, come on guys, let's friend, get on with this. It's like the voice of reason. He's like, no, it's not. He's like, when they're walking down the hallway, they go to Ben's luck.
And he's just like, why are we risking getting ourselves in the morning? And they all kind of cham they shut up. And it's like, no, he's the only one who has a point here. Like, why are you all going to this luck there?
Why not just send him and you guys there behind? Like, it makes no sense. I know obviously the half days of the plot, but like. But it's the end.
It's when he goes, I've been leaged before. I'm leaged. I'm sorry. I tickled us.
But Jake. I'm a hairstyle. But Jake. Jake.
Jake. This is a good point though. That was one of the questions I wanted to ask. Is which of the breakfast club do you most relate to?
Or not now, but when you were that age or that time? Who would you think you would? I'm shading everything. I'm really, yeah.
I'm really. I'm really. That is me. Ben.
And when I watch it, I'm sorry. That was me. That was me. That is me.
Oh my god. This is my spirit animal. So what I learned now is to not leave anything lying around about these three credits. I think I only took stuff from body shop.
I didn't take it from people. Not by the closet job. Not by the administrations. To be further, when we went for the few drinks, the week Sammy was dating the pops off the table, that was for everyone.
So Sammy just got to put them in a bag. Bro. I thought I'd glass. So I still got to.
Still got to. Shuck. Manish said she was just a compulsive liar. Yeah.
Not that she actually did it. She's like, I think she's the most interesting character there. And I feel like they just overlook her completely. I would have loved to have seen a spin off just of her like a day in the life of her.
Yeah. The difference with her was she didn't give shit. They did it. They had their little, I am a jock.
I need to bully people to prove myself to my peers. The nerd is just like, right, I need to make sure what I'm doing my physics club and like, I've got all my nerdy fans. She genuinely couldn't care less. She went to detention because she was fucking bored.
But we'll have that conversation in the moment. Just. Oh, sorry. No, no, it's fine.
It's just so I can keep on tension and know where we are. I'll do it. Yeah. But yeah, I think Paul, I think Paul would be the wrestler.
I probably saw it. Yeah, it's the meaning of. Back in the day and Sammy will actually attend, like say this, I usually like one of the sportiest people you would have made. I know the Swiss egg doesn't do short, but at the time at school I was playing rugby, basketball.
I was on the athletics team. I was playing football for three different teams, like not just like the school. I was playing Saturday. You were playing football when I met, yeah.
Yeah, that was when me and me were still staying. So I was like, Where did you get all the time from? Like, where did you get? Emm, because I was facing at school.
I know and this is, this probably goes back to like, even the same in America or now, I used to get out of classes to play football. I used to be, didn't have to do homework because I was on Son and Boys. I played rugby for the county, so I used to have an extra day a week off so I can train with the county rugby. So that's why I'm not very educated now, boys.
But yes, that's like, say the British. Yeah, me too. We put a trumpet lessons to get out of a map. Yeah, I was going to say it.
I got out of my classes. I got out of PE for music classes. I did a bit of a trip. I actually did that for what we did.
I know not from. When I was doing my graders in there, Trumbo and I got out of all of my classes, but nearly got a month or something because that's all I had to concentrate on. Em, but it was crazy though, that how they used to look to one side because I was doing well in sports. Like, they thought, oh, well not bother about this side of things.
Like, at one time I got a week off school to go play rugby in wheels. It's a good one to well on them. It's an exit in there. A professional athlete trained at our school.
That makes them look, they don't care about the grades at that point. They just care about the accolades that come with it. Yeah, and as I said when I got England trials for rugby when I was under 14, the legs, yeah, I could do anything like that school. I just didn't give a fuck.
But, and that thing, again, it's not bringing the right mentality as well. Because, and again, probably like a media festival in this, Andrew, Andrew was an idiot. It was Andrew's. Yeah.
His character, he doesn't really know who he is. And he's just basically so frustrated, not known where he is. And he's just trying to be what everyone else wants him to be. And that's who I kind of related to.
Because that was for me for so long. And I think that's why I related to this film. Because I was like, I don't have to be that person anymore. I don't have to act that way.
I don't have to impress. And that's when I think when I started college, I cut off a lot of friends I had. Like, even when I was new, Sammy I was not in a bout with what they used to call the cool guys at college. I was thinking, I don't know.
They didn't wear anything but. That's what you mean. But they used to go about like, they fucking ran the place. They used to like, treat women like shit.
And probably still do now. I'm not going to name names because he's still a dickhead. But yes. And these are the type of people that we used to go about with.
And then, something clicked. And I realized I didn't have to be that person. And that's when, like, say I got close to Sammy, I got close to Claire. I'm naming all women names.
I wasn't that much for like a college. I promise them. That's because they're my best, they're my best and oldest friends. That's probably why.
But yeah. I thought that was like, I didn't really see that coming the whole like the, like his breakdown in the movie. Because like, like you were saying, like, oh, this has been like ripped off to hell and stuff. Like, I thought some of the, like the themes that dealt with like the way the dug in things.
I don't think many people have been able to recreate, but they've tried like. No, I agree. No, I would super like surprise. Like when he broke down in tears about it, just being like, yeah, like I don't have any decisions for myself type of thing.
I just hadn't really heard, heard it sort of explained that way before. And like any other type of media, but yeah, I really like that part. It's like giving the bully, because he was the bully. That's why he was in there.
You know, for what he did was just awful. Horrific. Yeah, because I think it's sometimes, I mean, I was bullied terribly at school. I was, I was, I've still, I'm very peeled, but people used to call me corpse girl, that's girl because, oh my god, you're real.
Are you dead? I'm just like, I'm just like, you're gonna make seriously. This is the material you've gotten. I'm like, yeah, yeah, dead.
Look, anyway, and it's just like seeing it from a bully's perspective. You know what I mean? And kind of thinking, shit, they are in an even worse situation than they are put in that person. And that's bad that they need to do that, because in their own way, they are being bullied and victimized.
And it's just like that horrible vicious circle. Because I mean, oh, I'm so like, what's interesting as well is that it's the same for Brian, but like, a totally different perspective. But he's still got his, his win is like, grades, his win is succeeding at school. And the fact that the film raises the topic of suicide as well, which Northern films have really done at the time, effectively as well, and probably not great that they all sort of laugh at them because it was a flaggle.
Like, you probably still would have done a lot of damage with that. I think it was great that it broke the silence of that, like that moment, because that was a really intense moment. I feel like there's a lot of truth in that scene because that whole scene where they're sitting in a circle is all ad-libbed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's no script whatsoever in that scene. John Hughes was quite famous for taking parts out of scripts and saying, this is where you really have to, you have to have done your homework to be this character. And I think, especially Amelia Estebes, who his dad is, look at who his brother is, look at the amount of... Tiger blood, baby.
Tiger blood, baby. Yeah, and he was so ballsy, because he kept the Estebes' name, them two have gone off and been seen. And he's the one who's kind of like, no, hang on a minute, I'll do this as Estebes. I don't need the sheen name in order to be able to do what I do.
And I just feel like a lot of, a lot of home truths was said. Yeah, yeah. I'm a circle for a lot of people. And to give...
I think that was my favourite scene, you know. Oh, no. Yeah. That was my favourite.
Like, the concept of reflection and just like asking the deeper question of like, what Jix said is perfect. You see them all pull up in the car and you've already decided what kind of person they are, right? But then you see them sit in this circle and you hate them be vulnerable and reflect on themselves as people and you realise that that perception, you've got of them is totally wrong. And I love that.
I love something saying, don't just judge on appearances. Like, yes, there's different class and there's different sort of genre of people behind the car or the lunge that they unpack, you know. Oh my god. That's just saying that you know who they are.
You don't know who they are. And that's the message they give to the principal as well, right? Like, you don't know who these kids are? No.
And how do you ask them to know who they are? Because they don't know themselves at the time. They don't know about Cleo. Yeah.
They just said, as we were all that age, trying to find themselves as well. And again, that's saying is when you start finding out, as Kelly and Alexis on just mentioned now, where you find out why they are in detention as well, it does get a little bit of heartbreak. And because some of them you find out what to start, like Molly Ringwell's character, like a princess, you find out she skipped a class to go shopping. So you knew what type of person she was going to be.
And then, like I said, when they're telling the stories, and again, I know we've just touched on about the Emilio Estves, like say Andrew's story, did hit home with me quite a lot. Now, tell the story because I'm not proud of it. But it did, something did happen to me when I was at that school as well. And it always did stay with us because I, it was my action.
I did it to show off because everyone was like, say in the, in the change room, we'll just finish playing football. And one of the bigger lads, one of the chubby lads was there. And I got movie towel and I whipped it back, just because everyone was egging us on. And I remember, because I think we were about 13, 14 at the time, he cried.
And I was so embarrassed because I made him cry. But everyone was like, starting to take the piss out of him more because he was crying. And I was like, and again, I never did it again, but it's still like, and I'll probably never know that person I'll say again, but if I ever do, I would always like, wholeheartedly apologize. And he probably, he might not even remember him.
He might do. He might do. He might do one of the things I was, but it always did stay with us. And every time I watch that movie as well, it kind of brings back and makes me remind myself of the action I did.
And it reflects the say, your actions do matter and how you portray yourself. Doesn't matter if you're 10, 12, 14, 16, 32 or 41. It's how you hold yourself and how you want to see yourself in these type of situations as well. Because we all always want to make mistakes.
We all always going to do things we regret. But it's about owning them situations. And I think Andrew at the time, he owned it. And I think that was quite the powerful thing.
And just to go about immediately as well. Because I think he is a very underrated actor. But when you look at like some of the bangs he has done, like young guns, they might be doing some good stuff. My dogs.
My dogs. He's getting called a nebul baby in the chat. And I'm like, if he really took his nebul status, he would be a fucking a lot bigger than what he is. I think yeah, because I think like it's the opposite, isn't it with like Hollywood, where everyone wanted like, you know, American sounding names.
Like he probably thought he would get like type cast for having like a non like, you know, apple pie American name. But yeah, that probably goes back to like, you know, what he was saying about the ages being a bit like a bit wildly different. But like he was probably knew that he needed some like real actors in there, you know, like, and the kids to kind of like ring everyone to like to bring the newbies like up to a better level and they get good performances out of everyone. So like, yeah, it might look silly now, but like, you know, you couldn't really like, there's no way you can just manufacture like people who were like the exact right age for like all your characters.
They're still doing now. There's high school films now with like 20 like mean girls. I think Rachel McAdams is about 20s on that. And she's like, I'm like, I'm sure she was the oldest member of the cast.
Can we just give a shout to the high school film that started at all Greece. need for there was in the teenage years in Greece. Especially like the Chinese one on the trippy. I thought I can was like 36 or something.
Because we talked earlier, I was talking to Chris and Lee about it and we'll talk about Greece. And we're like, oh, when Brizzor said she wasn't pregnant, I went, you know why she wasn't pregnant? Because she got the year twice to stop having babies. And then she got them in a box.
Well, fucking else. Like, they had a hard pit around in that film. I'll tell you that. Oh, yeah.
Absolutely. Well, there's something else I found out really interesting as well that, um, Jud Nelson decided to go wild annual deal as well recording this movie. Oh, yeah. In character.
The time constantly bullying Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall to where John Hughes eventually turned around and said, keep it up. You fucking fired. I will replace you with John Hughes in a heartbeat. Oh, John is in delight.
John Hughes is a big guy and a tremendous guy and a tremendous guy. No, I don't think. Well, that's one thing I put on me in order as well. Ben is a dick and he thinks he is so full of himself.
I, but because he sees himself as well, he doesn't say himself being mean or being horrible. He keeps on using the excuse that he's being honest. Now, was he just a balland or was it, was there a grain of truth term, I think? He was just able to look at a person and just pick out their psychology, just their motivations.
He wasn't, he wasn't book smart. He was street smart. Yeah. He knew exactly, you know, you guys have this sort of, you know, this is your, your place.
This is your place. He just that ability to kind of like pick as you see, the weaknesses, which kind of hogs back to obviously his home life that he talks about where his weaknesses are like pressed and prodded and pushed. And it's almost like, um, his sort of like conjure of, you know, the shit he was going through. Yeah, I'm going to do it at you.
But he's just sort of fucking clever about it because he's right. Everything he sees, everyone's looking at him and they're just like, shit, he is on it. He's, he's got it like that. You know what I mean?
It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, like, I feel like, genuinely feel like that, it's always about them turning up in the way of the turn up and you think you've got them pegged, but you don't really, but he does. And I think that's purely because he has to protect himself from what people might come up with because he's had to protect himself at home relentlessly. So yeah, of course he's going to pray on others because he doesn't want to be preyed on. And I think if you look at all of them, they're all exactly the same as each other in terms of their weakness is actually coming from elsewhere.
It's coming from home. It's coming from their home life. Ali, probably the most interesting character. She is ignored.
She doesn't exist at home. So of course, she's going to conjure up the persona of someone who's batshit and fascinated and wild, right? You've got the brain who just wants to succeed, not because he wants to, but because he's being told he has to, because he has to be the golden child. The jockey who has to succeed, he has to win, win, win.
They all have to be this person because they're being told they have to be that person. And then there isn't being told that. No one wants them to do anything. They're telling him he's shit and he's always going to be shit.
So he's like, well, you know what, I'm going to be shit. I'm going to call you out on how shit you are too. And that's why I hate the way the principal talksroom, because I feel like the principal just spit the exact mold that is that does. He perpetuates that.
But that like, because he basically says to him, like, you're nothing, you're always going to be nothing. And it's just if, and this is one thing where like Ben looks genuinely certain he can tell he's like, I can change my dad. Yeah, and take this for dad, like it's my mum's boyfriend's whatever, but like from you, why should I be putting up with this from you? And that was a complete.
Something I brought me north. Yeah, about the head teacher just, I've said, it's just as bad as Ben's parents, the head teacher, you know, the person who was actually, you know, kind of the head of the educational establishment, who should be looking out for their students trying to culture, nurture, you know, that sort of thing. And the abuse and control that he's putting over him like, oh, come on, hit his, hit his, you know, like probably getting in his career and I was just like, what the heck? Yeah, the head teacher, you're really like sure on your level is just beneath.
You know what I mean? Anything. He's got a guy there sitting there. And that point when he goes to punch him at the end and stops and he just like, but yeah, I don't know what's interesting about it because like, obviously, like I can tell like back in the day, like, Ben there would have been like, you know, the heart throw up type.
He's not my type, but I did like his court. I did like his court. Yeah. I didn't think he's giant shoe.
Yeah. But I know he had like a scarf around it. It looks stupid. Anyway, but like the thing about him though is like he is that character way, he's like, he thinks he knows everything, but like because he doesn't show like any care to anything, it's like, it is probably like, like little child blashing out behavior.
And like, I think the principal sees that, but instead of like, instead of being like, nurture or anything, he just goes straight to like, pure hatred. He's like, oh, so like, he's like, you're just nihilistic. Therefore, like I hate everything you stand for. But that's the thing I don't think Ben actually stands for anything.
I think like, like you guys have said, like he's as lost as all these other people. His is just like, like his sort of outwards defense is just super like abrasive and just like causes more things. But yeah, like, I think after that principal scene, it does kind of like break him down to a point where he can't actually like, you know, make some like friendships. But even then he's still like a bully, like half the time, like it keeps on like switching on and off.
It's really it's like, it's weird. It's interesting. But he has his moments though. He does have his moments.
And as he said, when he, because the bit that does make sense when they all go to the locker to get the weed and the kind of fall in and they're about to get caught. And he knows if they all get caught, they're all fucked. And he just runs off. He stuffs the way down Brian's pants, which is like, say probably the most action Brian had at that time, other than he's Canadian girlfriend.
He got leot all the time. Yes. But then he ran off to the basketball court and getting all the noise to draw like the principal. To him.
So that's the pit where you kind of turn to kind of be with Bender as well. Because you realize he's a dick. Like we all were a dick at that time, but he doesn't want everyone else to feel for his his choices or his mistakes. And he takes responsibility from them.
And that's where it's like his biggest redeeming feature is. He takes responsibility for his own actions at times and he expects everyone to kind of do the same thing. And that's when he calls everyone out and says, they're talking bullshit or you're full of shit. Like the whole emotional scene where they say what happens on Monday, will you still see high and then Molly Wingworld's character is a measantly honest, which because like she could have done a sort of bullshit at them and said, yeah, yeah, we'll be best friends and then she gives the honest answer and gets called every name of the son.
And it's harsh, but you can see why she said it as well. Because yes, you probably would like for a few days go, yeah, like say hi and talk to them. Then a week would pass and you would fill the back in your old routine. Yeah, because like you said, you know, like Ben, covering for them, you know, like causing that diversion.
You've got elements of solidarity throughout, even though, you know, like at the beginning. You know, kind of young versus all the door, you know, when he nicks the school, he's so funny. That door is in that door scene is sort of the funniest comedy I've seen ever. Do you think Amelia meant to slip?
When they put it in there and then he goes, why would you know, fireworks, it's so you need to keep the fire door open. He's like, where would you put that there in the best place? The media rest of it is like, son of a little old one. I don't know.
That's just all right to do. He doesn't think for himself. He doesn't know. It's just like, you know, it's just like the dawned grass bender, the school.
Yeah. And then you've got the whistling, you know, kind of. I love the whistling thing. Well, not a, it's this weird thing where, when he falls over the ceiling and the cover for him, even though he's got his heat in between Molly Ringwald's legs, you know, and it's still covering him.
And it's not because of the fear of him. No, it's more of this kind of solidarity young versus old. So you've got that kind of, you know, even though, the part of like, different groups at school that wouldn't necessarily talk or get along in school. They still come together.
Do you think that started off? That started because of the way of acting with Ben, by saying, oh, you want another one, you want another one, and he kept on pushing. And when we got the famous line, if you, I'd say we've got to go down, don't mess with the bull or you get the horns. And he can check the horns.
And he can, he can, he can, he can. Yes, he can. Two months. Yeah, there's actually, there is an interesting part that kind of like shows that that teacher guy's always been incredibly violent, because there's a part where he says like, if I have to come back in here, I'm going to start cracking skulls and like, bend them out, sit as if that's like, it's just all the time and possibly has.
It's before, you know, like behind closed doors, like, you don't really know. But yeah. Well, I think it's goes back in the day. I mean, in the 70s, you know, coming back.
I have teachers. I start teachers. I use the real stuff in the thing. I don't mean to teach you that you hit me with a ruler.
I know you. It's a Morgan. If you're still there, you hit me. I've seen it.
This is actually a conversation. We have a monster's exact one right now about teachers in the fucking 80s and 90s. That is so spooky. But one of our teachers in South were hitters in the 90s.