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Hi, everyone. And welcome to the Nelly of North Park. The Nelly of North Park has been supposed to be buying all the nerds. I am one of your horse, Sam.
And I am the other horse, Paul. And as we have started this new tradition of introducing our guests in a more professional and interesting way, I'm going to continue that one. Sam's is next week, so that's going to be fun. So tonight is ready.
Mm-hmm. It's ready for the anticipation of it now. So tonight we are joined by the Quiz Mistress herself. She is an expert in cosplay on all things spooky and macabre.
She is the B movie queen. We are joined by Miss Jessica Fox. And also, we also have the Games Master himself. He is the Messiah of Mario.
He is embodied the spirit of Sonic. He is the gaming up North Guru. We have the Jake. Thank you.
That was a lot of... Nice generation. Yes. I'll change up anyway.
We have to do different ones. We can't just sit to us. They have the same stalefor mat and not move forward. Games Master is fitting because it's only a matter of time before I become a floating green screen head.
We will do our best to keep everything to the Tuesday clock. It's five minutes to floating head. So that's a new thing that we are trying. Hopefully people like it.
It's all factored as well. So now that it's been said, no one can dispute it. Yes. Because we are now all about the facts on the early up North and the monsters.
Apparently. Why have I done? So yes. So Sami Taita, the way there lovely lady.
Are we going straight in for the disclaimer? I guess interested in what you've watched this week. You can ask what we'll be watching. What happens when we watch this week?
Go on then Jake. But watch, man. The watchman. I have been reading the watchman.
And I haven't had any time for anything else apart from someone's walk around to you. That's my day to day. Since 12 o'clock this afternoon. I was so glad I started at that time and started doing my notes in the movie because otherwise I'd still be sitting there right now.
I watched it over three nights. I was like, I finished the last 25 minutes last night. I was quite grossed in it. Actually, I didn't even bother with that because I was looking at my laptop for a few things.
I wasn't paying attention to my phone. I usually would. Because me and Jake, I think you did as well. We decided to be brave and go for the ultimate cut to watch as well.
It took a lot longer than expected. Have you been watching anything interesting, Jessica? We've been going through the new shoot detective, Night Country. It's been really good.
It's been a really good last episode tomorrow. I was going to see how it all pans out in the end. It's been quite good. Interesting.
I'm going to start that after next week because next week is going to be Benj and Sherlock again. So, yes, a lot of trying to catch it on that show and trying to remember stuff because I love it. I can't remember it too well. We all talked about it next week.
That's going to be next week's conversation. Thank you for the reminder. I was true detective. I've gone back to season one vibes.
There's a reference to season one in it. There's a nice little reference to season one. It's very different this one because it's set with the 30 days night in Alaska. A lot of the things vibes to it as well.
It's happened out on the ice. You don't know how and why. It's getting quite super natural in its way. I don't think it's too much better.
It's not worth watching. It's really, really good. I will turn it out. How did she stay away from the colouring style?
Is this a whole new different? She's completely different. She's so unhinged. She's so foul-mouthed.
She's filthy. She's so pretty. It's so straight. It's so straight.
It's so sweet. We love it. I watch two movies. I'm not going to talk about them too much because I'm not going to start slagging things off.
Aquaman 2 was a movie. It was a movie. It just felt like they just cut loads of different random stuff in just James Jason and Morgan. I'm a dude.
When I saw the trailer, it looked fake. I'm not going to elaborate anymore. It looked like a fake movie trailer. A deadpool would show us something like that.
I thought, I'll watch something else because we didn't get to see the pictures. We'll watch the prequel to the Hunger Games. The songbird and the scene. I didn't know that was a thing.
Again, if you haven't watched the movie, I don't get it because it's supposed to be the prequel to how Snow become all bastardised and evil. It doesn't mean it's all morby and lovey-duffy and shit. I've seen it and I've tried to read the book 100 times over the last year because I read all the Hunger Games last year and I was like, okay, I'll watch it before the movie comes out. I didn't fail the character at all.
I thought maybe the movie might help that. It did to a certain degree. But just as you get into the part where it's like, oh, the evil snow, everything's starting to cut. And then it just ends.
And you're like, oh, we don't get to see. I don't know if I'm going to get a trilogy like we did with the others, but I just felt like it was a movie that didn't need to be made on a story that no one really was interested in. I think you might be right because the Hunger Games in itself is just great. It didn't need any additional, like two.
It's like, I was always fine with the fact that Snow was a dick. I didn't really know how he became that dick. But yeah, you're right. And probably the threat of the trichubinise, bad guys, not so much to be a bad guy.
I just want to get into the bad guy. I think we talked about this on the Robocop podcast, that like, you rarely get the ittys bad man anymore. Everyone's scared to be sure that it's true evil or true bad. Everyone's got to have some kindness and some nice and stone.
Just give us a dick and we'll like, we'll root for the dick head. We'll always do. But yeah. Well, I watched a movie that you'll all get here about tomorrow.
I watched Pumpkinhead. That's what happens. And then Netflix got me really excited because it said it was added in SVU, Lauren order to its programming. And I was like, get the fucking 26 seasons of SVU.
No, they've got to put five on and they've started from series six. What? What did you do? They do that a lot.
It's literally they'll just get any season that can get their hands on. I think that's good. Who's going to want to start watching that? It's starting season six.
It ends at like eight or something. I can't be right. Eleven or something like that. And I'm like, well, no, because it's not certain that's cliffhangers.
You can't do that. I was so disappointed last night when I went under watch it. I was ready to go like really hard and go from the beginning. Can't do that.
Cool. Thanks. I think we should get into it because normally our podcasts are shorter than our longest, sorry. So we say podcast no longer than the films that we are reviewing.
We're just gonna go for our podcast. Please go for it. I'll do the disclaimer and crack on with this. Cool.
So everything's just our opinions and opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, please come and join us in the Facebook group with Discord or the comment section where we have an open discussion. What we want to have though is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong. We can all agree to disagree in fandom.
So let's give it fun. Keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior out of notism. Very well said. So we are going to be talking about one of my.
I always look like looked at weird when I talk about this as one of my favorite comic book adaptations to movies because it is probably the most comic book movie that has been made in a long time. So we are going to be talking about the watching. So I am very excited to do that as well. So yes, yeah, it's going to be interesting because it's kind of like you got your pump up.
Oh, he's gone. He's up. He's gone. Oh, well, no, because he's had so much problems today.
Oh shit. I hope that intro hasn't like fucked up. When the call of broke it fall really hard to see. Dark carcass in Ali this morning.
Tired tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen it's true face. The streets.
Sorry. Kicks out. It's all in the script. I'm going to write a joke to.
It's broken. Oh, dear. Welcome back. Oh, no, he's on his face.
The streets are extended goodies and the good is a full of blood. And when the drains finally scabber over all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all the sex and murder will form and about their wastes and all the hoars and politicians will look up and shout. Save us and I will look down and whisper.
No. Even the face. No, you're taking it off. I couldn't fucking see.
I lost my gun. That was easy. I couldn't find the button again, the presser put the video back on, because I was going to put the video back on after I said, I've seen it's true face and I was going to go, I'll be class and I was like, I can't find the button. So yeah, sorry.
This is why we need a producer. Yeah. I loved all you heard was, it's real good. I should rush and say that.
He says, he says a lot in the comic, which we actually put in the movie a couple of times I did enjoy. Yes. Yeah. Well, before we get into it, I have the tagline for the movie because I love a tagline.
Right. It's just this is coming to us all, no matter what we do. Pre-stirate the point. It's not very.
It's not very catchy is it? It's not very like, we've had some co-harker taglines and that one, they'll never be the bad man one. But that was just, it was just very straight to the point. Just this is coming to us all, to all of us even, no matter what we do.
I think the big tagline, the other one, the used for literally everything like that, the me and watchman was always who watches the watchman. That was always like one literally everything markman wise and stuff as well. Even from the comics to the video or comic to which again, if no one has seen it, it's one of the most brilliant things about it. It's just basically like a comic move and I think they brought it out as a pre-chord to the movie.
It was kind of like used as an advertisement and an advertisement for this movie as well. It was fucking amazing. The colours, the imagery, everything used was sore on point and sore. I don't know how this movie wasn't more successful than it was.
It was so weird when I was reading about it today because there was half and half people saying that they hated it because of changes that were made and then other people were saying that it's actually the most closest adaptations to a comic book movie that's been done before. It was like a two-way argument. I was like, I get the changes now that I've done a bit more research on it and understand as to why. I'm not mad at it.
I never was mad at it in the first place. So Jessica, how did you get into the watching? Was it the comic first or was it the movie? Oh, I think.
Yeah, so I was working, I was being 16 or something when it hit Empire magazine. The first announcement we were doing it had basically where I was working, someone had the Empire magazine on the desk because I'm bored of it. So you stole it? It's like three years ago.
Raw shackle. It's fine. But no looking through it, obviously it had all of the outfits I wanted to wear and all the cinematic quality that was going to come from it, which is kind of like this and then I went out and went straight to the planet, went and found the graphic novel and so it had to be hiding for this movie. And yeah, it was amazing.
It's like everything about it is just, there's nothing about this film that I don't like. I think it is probably the quintessential comic book nerds movie that was ever made. They all was referenced as the unfilmodable film. It's in the tribe of four.
No, since the rights were bought in 1986. Lauren's Gordon and Joel Silver and they had a war with Warner Brothers and Fox, a huge court case erupted from it. I think one of others won in the end. There was certain directors who put their name in the hat, Tim Burton being one of them.
Yes, and guess who we wanted in the Tim Burton movie as well. Yeah, Johnny Depp was Raw shackle. Yeah. No.
That was a thing. It just would never have worked. I don't even think it's wrong. I've got that me fucked wrong there.
Johnny Depp was a pencil in to play the comedian. Oh, really? Yes, it was a comedian. Yes, so no.
And you know, the original choice for the Zack Snyder film was, if you want to go into all facts now, Ron Pilman was the original cast who was wanted for Raw shuck, which would have been quite tall, Raw shuck. I've got that one. Also, the Sylls Spectre 2, they wanted Jessica Elder. Yes.
That makes sense with the time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But they didn't get it.
And I'm glad because I love the actress who plays that. I think she's got such a brilliant voice. I've got some other more facts about this as well. I think it's probably like Fantastic Four all over again.
Like, and Sin City. Sin City though, you kind of blame her for Sin City. That was just epic. Sin City, I like.
It was pretty cool. It was fantastic. But fantastic. It was choices.
It was choices. So I've got some facts on the wall lock. Adam Moore. Nice.
So basically, the reason why the watchers and watchmen are so prevalent in the movie as well is because Alan Moore wanted to be a watchmaker when he was growing up. So I always want to do a comic based on the likes, I'm going to do with watches. He outright hates this movie to the point he refused to have his name anywhere on it. He gave it.
I didn't notice that. He gave it all the time. And it's everything that all the time. He rescinded any royalties that he would have got and that all went to David Gibbons.
He signed them over to him as well. So it wasn't the case of like, oh well, we'll just have to give it to him. Alan was like, no, I'll sign them over to him as long as you keep my fucking name out of it. It's crazy.
And watching the comic like the graphic novel was the only graphic novel named on Life magazine's Top 100 novels of the 20th century. Wow. And it was to date still the only graphic novel to win the Hugo award. Oh, that's interesting.
That is super interesting because I know a lot of comic fans don't like Alan Moore because they think he's just a commotion about everything. But every time I read an interview by him, it's like he sees his vision of the world. And in the same like, he's not right wing crazy like a watch. But he has that unflinching sense of justice where he signed over his money from the money from this to like his artist partner.
And it's like, yeah, because he obviously believes like he's not just making it up. He actually doesn't like this at all. He's been sincere and he's dislike. Yeah.
Otherwise he could have just quite easily kept that money and nobody would have been non-the-wiser. Yeah. Because he's been very outspoken maybe like last year or something. I was reading like a Guardian thing where he thinks that Marvel and sort of Disney have infantilized like movies like and audiences like by proxy.
So he's basically saying like, no, it's like children and they just want like the slop to watch basically. They just want to be a little fed. I mean, he didn't need to put it that way about himself. I love the kind of get it.
I love it. I kind of get it though. Like it's like some movies are just like like Madame Webb is just put out because yeah, and people go and watch it and pay for it. And they're like, can you not just not?
Like, I heard it's bad. Especially with like the actual meaning behind Watchmen. So I've actually got all of the meaning that comes within this movie slash comic is hero villains and vigilantes, moralist versus utilitarian, so sorry, utilitarian ethics, identity and empowerment, nihilism and meaning and American corporate corporation and patriotism. You can say that like the other.
There's so much meaning into just this one thing, whereas everything right now is just kind of like what I like shapes and colors. But you can tell all the comic was brought during a time like I think America was Ronald Reagan and would have been Thatcherism in the UK. Yeah, it's even though it's all good at doing that though. If you read V for Vendetta at the beginning, you know exactly where you are in the timeline of the UK without him even having to tell you where you are.
You can just like see it within his dialogue and obviously with the artwork as well that helps it's really good at pinpointing your into history where he wants you to be, whether that history stays the same because obviously it doesn't in Watchmen and there's no way a president can run for five terms and get away with it. You can't. If you've got to Dr. Manhattan as your in your back pocket, you can change any rules you want.
That was the whole thing about abuse of power. But like just going back to Alan Moore for a little because like normally like they will laugh and say that the group doesn't help us like nobody knows doesn't help us much. But someone actually put Alan Moore a court on today that I thought was quite intriguing because Alan Moore's notorious for being one of the grumpiest, one of the most anti-social, like literally hates everything. But he actually went out and said, like he actually quoted one time he said read books, not just good books, read bad books.
You can find like inspiration from anywhere and even a bad book can inspire you for the greatest of ideas. So I thought that was just a nice thing like something that like you expect Alan Moore not to say it in a way because when he comes like grumpy old wall look that he is, but that kind of like inspiration just to go out there and just take it in from wherever and it could be good bad. It could bring new found ideas. Not though, isn't it how fans will have like a massively adverse reaction if someone like talks in anger or something, but to me I just see like passion and like I don't agree with everything he says and I don't like everything I've read of his and stuff, but like you can tell he cares about like this as an art, like writing as an art.
Yeah. Like I don't know why that rubs people massively the wrong way. Like fair enough, he's like a dick or whatever if you really don't like agree with him. But he's 100% an artist and he's good at what he does.
I wrote an article about him years ago and I did a lot of dig research on him. He has been in writing since he could pick up a pen and he started, I can't even remember the name of the magazine now, but it was Doctor Who. I found like a kind of like fan fiction and he started to go to Doctor Who fan fiction and he just went from there and he's just he's a really interesting person and he has a lot of nice things to say about people within the industry. He doesn't shit on anyone at all.
He actually released his, Stephen King released his book on I'm trying to see that and see it on how to write. Not Stephen King way, but just like kind of like inspiration on writing and how to you know, help you to help yourself in writing anything and I'll move exactly the same thing for comic books. I actually own it and it's just a tiny little bit, but it's so interesting to see how you can like try and make you think about where your story needs to go. Yeah.
It's just it's honestly if you can get a hold of it, it's such a good thing. I've got it for Christmas, I got it for Christmas, I got it for Christmas, I got it for Christmas. Yeah. So where did you get it?
I'm sorry, Jay. Sorry, the other thing was Doctor Who won so these specials are just brought back like end of last year. That's one end, that's one of theirs. Is it?
Oh really? It's basically created by the same guys who worked on the watchman. They were watching the behind the scenes thing and they brought them in to be able to see it actually in full form. Basically they're like drawing brought to actual life and all the mechanics of it and everything.
Alright. Really quite nifty. I didn't know it until I was watching. I was like, oh my God, the guys are like, watching this as well.
Like it was quite cute. Very cool. Oh, that's so cool. Sorry, Jay.
I was talking about that. I was asking Jay, so Jay, when did you get introduced to the watchman? Like was it the comic? Was it the movie or?
No, very similar story to Jess, apart from a, I probably didn't see a magazine. It was probably, I think I was maybe listening to a podcast that is since defunct called Cape Crisis that used to do comic book stuff. And they used to watch the movies like the Marvel movies that were coming out at the time into reviews and stuff. And I think they must have, they were more comic fans than ours.
I was there for the movie chat mostly. And when they mentioned it, I just like, you know, then HMB was also doing comics at the time. So I just picked up this one. This is just whatever, 20 quid, 15 quid, maybe 18, the price on the backs reel.
Yeah. I just, I just picked that up maybe like a few months before the movie. I did the same thing with the Infinity Gauntlet list when I told that was going to be made. I went and picked the comic up.
So I'm totally like, I'm not like an OG or anything like that. You know what? And it was just like one of the most amazing things I'd ever read at the time. Comics wise, like I almost keep, I know it's mean to do this.
Like how you said, it's the only one like when you go and everything. But I do hold it as like a separate thing from comics and graphic novels. It's like, because it's got just like pages of books in there. It's, I don't really know what to describe like the watchman entire package as.
It's like, it's like its own thing. And no one's really like copied it since. I don't think the copy it though, that's the thing. Because what the did, the broke the mall with the comic book world when it came out.
I know we'll talk about the film there, but I think the comic, as I said, I hold in such a high regard same as Jake as well. It broke every rule that comic book was used strangely because it wasn't always bright and vibrant. It was like used neon and interesting like different flaws. It would take a whole page to do like a, like what normally do, where a comic book would do one panel, they would do a page where I was like, like, like, oh, the way it was set out was just, I'm not explaining it well.
Sorry. It's like it's a visual thing though, isn't it? But no, I really like those intro pages where it has like the title of the issue in like a black bar that's usually like set around like the panels. Like it is like a, it's like a quiet, like a cold open, isn't it almost for every issue.
Like you can imagine like a panning shot, like in an episode like starting and stuff like that. I love the original like, uh, run of the comics as well because I did all of them at one point. Um, but again, they got sold, but the original run, it was the first comic of the time that didn't use action shots as the covers. And as a carry on from the cover, each, uh, like, each comic book cover was the first panel of the inside of the comic.
So it kind of like, it always fed in. Like it wasn't like the exact thing that was always part of it or like thing, uh, I think where it kind of led in and it was such a simple idea, but no one had ever thought that no one had ever done it. And it was that interesting. And it's always interesting as well because like some of the questions I last made me it to all the end because you don't know who the good guy and who the bad guys are in this story.
No, there's so many questions and so I need like, I can lead into some interesting conversations. You've almost got to like pick your own, haven't you? But yeah, all of them have got like downsides and upsides and stuff like that. Sorry, Joe.
So very, very, so when the film came out, like I was very skeptical and scared because as I said, I've read this book a million times and you thought, I'm excited to say it, but what happens if they do it wrong or they do it dirty? Like, they did like Tim Burton's Batman book and not go over that again. Um, Jess is looking at his letter in the theatre. Can I check out of Batman fact?
I was a man. I was a man here. Sue, kind of in C is name. I've been practicing all afternoon.
So I'm really sorry. The same reading the movie as well. As far as I call them, I was eat for the my say. And I can't even see a surname.
I tried for ages and I still can't see it. And his suit is actually a parody of the Batman suit. Yeah, because it's got a little on and they couldn't really, they didn't want to go with the original suit that he wears in the comic because it's kind of like, it's very dear to this isn't it? It's his Alexander the Great look and it just wouldn't work with the way that like, I was costumers if you were like, it wouldn't match up if they were kind of like a team.
So yeah, it's a parody of Batman suit. Like the shoemaker stuff. Yes. It is.
I think I was reading that earlier on today. I just kind of like, I just put that one in. I just saw Batman nipples and went hello. Yeah.
Can we talk about some of the like the on screen, how it compares? Because Adrian doesn't look like Aussie Mandir's to me. Like I get it though, like they're doing the sort of like the young trust fund millionaire billionaire type of kid that was coming up around like the 2000s and whatever. But yeah, like in the comic, he just he comes across just as like much older and it was like a bit of a shock when I'm like watching and comparing like one to the other.
I was like, oh yeah, they're chosen. It's an interesting of chosen to be really young when in the comic he's kind of like idolizing like the ancient kings and it's like, it doesn't, it was a bit of mismatch there for me personally. Oh no, I agree. Like a lot of the things especially with like the characters in the movie as well, like there was scenes where I was like shocked by shock from the comic and there was two things that kind of threw me like the guy I can't do anything.
I think it was a buddy called Genn who played a Doctor Manhattan that again seemed like a bit of a miscast. Oh yeah. I'm sorry, I don't know his name, but like his voice isn't what I was imagining in my head. It makes sense from a like detached perspective, but it's an odd performance when you watch it now, I think.
I don't agree. I thought for a really long time it was a guy from the hangover. It's okay. You know the one who was missing and looking for a gen we thought that was him for such a long time.
I was the guy out of a famous time of goals and God jumps off again. I didn't really have the stature and like the size to be Doctor Manhattan in my eyes. And Ozzy again was another one where I didn't quite get the cast on right. Like there's a lot of casting that the God bang on and smashed out the park in this Jeffrey Morgan as the comedian is just flawless.
I can't even say the guy who played Rorschach was amazing. Oh yeah, Dan. Oh, that's his name. Sorry.
Yeah. I think he's all last night. That's not that. He's all this Jackie.
Yeah, that's right. That would be really interesting. I see dead people. I killed dead people.
But yeah, Rorschach. He almost didn't take apart. He only got called in his office. Even Saksider wasn't too keen on him.
And he kind of came in with a bit of an asshole attitude. He went, oh shit. Yeah, there he is. And then he read the only read the first few like pages of the script and went, I'm not doing this.
I'm not being a cameo. He's Asian went read the fucking script. And he didn't. I'm not just a cameo.
Yes, I will do it. So like the next scene he didn't show up didn't put him off either. It's like, I don't know. I mean, the person of like how it went about picking everyone because obviously they keep jumping backwards and forwards through time.
So you think about Saksider, he has to specifically pick people so he didn't have to sort of deage them. It was easier to age them up. Yeah. I think it's Rorsch.
Like actually when he's about the right age for the character of one else is way younger than they should be. But you know, he was supposed to be 34 something and I was like, fuck if he's 34, I'm doing well. I'm not here. He's up to 45.
So he fits in the timeline with everybody else. I mean, he's the only one in shape though, isn't he? Yeah. He's these bills.
And but Jackie Elle is the only one who actively come in for his part. He's actually one of these different ones people pitching for. He's the only one that was looked at before and still got into the media and everyone else was a fresh cast in. Right.
Interesting. Yeah. He was actually creative for the part. It's almost like I'm sorry to drew him.
He looks exactly like him. Yeah. I think that was awesome as well. That's exactly what he looks like in the comic as far as I'm concerned.
He's my favourite. My two. And it had nothing to do with the fact it was Patrick Wilson. But he's even he's even got the same thing though where he looks dorky with the glasses on.
And then when he takes them off and like lets his hair ruffle a bit, it's like, oh yeah. He's literally like perfect. Like a panel perfect. To be further, there's loads of charities all the way through this.
But like all the different, it is like the shit just as like with different characters. That was what Alan Mill was going for when he was writing it. Like for example, hold on, who has the character of this? Night Owl is essentially Blue Beetle.
I heard something different for Night Owl because it wasn't actually in Alan Moore cast up the character that was created. Because Dave Gibbons actually created Night Owl. It didn't say it within the Wikipedia thing that I read who just said Blue Beetle like. But this was on the documentary I watched earlier.
Oh well. So yeah, Dave Gibbons actually created Night Owl when he was 14. And it was the one character that Hollis Mason outfit is actually the same outfit that was drawn when he was 14. Oh, that's cool.
It looks exactly like the Phantom. That's cool. Yeah. Well, there's some, not probably more looking wise but more characteristic wise of Night Owl in Batman.
Yeah. Obviously the text side of things, not only but the text side of things, the fact that you have a little cave and everything. So there is some really big characters. I know the weird thing, I still can't further how that works.
Magic. I explain it a lot more in the comics. Yes. Talk about the movie as well, the actual start of the movie.
Like absolutely breathy. And like when you, like with us, I saw this, I don't know if you guys saw it at the cinema for the first time. Yeah. In Sunderland.
Just a big screen, just blew my fucking mind. Like just that, that opening and how I know we're going to talk about all the way through, how the soundtrack was used all the way through. Like simply forget ever. And then the comedian gets seven bags of shit, literally beat out of them and then just defied.
Tied physics as time the way they were getting thrown around the room and stuff. It was like, I wrote down the fighting. It looks like a dance. It looks like they're dancing with each other.
It almost felt like they knew each other. But the new each is as moves. Yes. I understand after like going through it, but that's what I wrote down, as I was watching it.
What do you think about like the power set of the Watchman? because it's kind of, it's like low powered, you know, weird way, yet, like the comedian just like punches straight through a brick wall at the start. Yeah. So it's like, but it's almost as if like there are people in the world who are just like a few levels above everyone else.
And like, you know, interesting because I was like, start picking with the extension decision when they mentioned all the web just police officers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's a change though. Because that wasn't the storyline in the comic. No, Hollis was a policeman.
And he went off on his own. I think it sounds a bit met up with like what a captain metropolis. Yes. I was the one who brought it just a minute men together type thing.
Am I just not remembering right? But do they ever call themselves the watchmen in the comics? Because the call themselves are prime busters when they get broken up when like the comedian talks them off. Yeah.
I have a few movie versus comics and that is one of them. They didn't use the crime busters. Yeah. It fails immediately.
Like they don't actually get together technically. They're just all like at the same time, parallel heroes and be okay. I'm not going mad then. But I think the original ones were called the minute men.
Yeah. That was like the original gun. And as you said, captain metropolis got together with a few interesting characters as well. But see that what men fight scene just sets the tone of what we've all been expecting from them.
Because literally we think you want to watch a comic book movie, but it is one of the most brutal movies that has been made in a long time. Like there's no more like. It's a little bit goofy though, do you not think some of the some of the ultra violence. Like especially it was like like a part later on where he just like pushes through someone's elbow right into the camera.
It's all squishy. Yeah, it is. It's not what I expected. I think going into the cinema.
But did this, you know, you said it was kind of a bomb. Did it be in like an 18 certificate? Heard it for that. Oh massively, I think.
Yeah. It didn't do as well as as I thought the world. And like when we'll get in the late at the end and part did get a lot of backlash with fans with such a shame. What do you expect?
And a lot of people, even though I quite like the ending in the movie, because it would have been interesting to see the giant squid. But then it's explaining it in that in that time that you've got and we'll get it at the end. Well, yes. So let's say we'll get the interest in politics.
Orman fight is just breathtaking. But then my favorite part of the movie, and again, I didn't expect it to be the favorite part, is the whatman credits. Yeah, the control with Bob Dylan's times the change in play and is just fucking. I don't know.
I hate Bob Dylan's book. I like a bit of Bob Dylan. It was just it was great and on me. But what I do like is how the the summarised Hollis's book in that open and movie.
So you don't have to like flashback to like, you know, narration from the book. It was so cleverly done as well though that that was because could you imagine like this? The extended cut was like close to four hours. And we got all them back stories for each one of them characters.
Or I would have been cut if they cut them out and you just got them like, you know, meeting like all these photographs. This is this is this is this person. And you saw each one of them stories done so well. And I don't think an opening film or like an intro has been done as well.
Like in many movies, like since or beginning before. What's wrong? Yeah, it's a it's a really good like setting the tone piece for everything. Even though you do it, there is a time jump sort of after it.
But yeah, it at least gets you in the mindset of like, okay, this is this is all happened. Therefore, now we start. Yeah, but it explains the oh, sorry, yes. Sorry.
It's filmed beautifully. Even all the references to like classic era photos and everything and having them in changing spots. It's going to go into the room. But like all the glory moment and then all the points where how everybody got taken out and how it just dwindled down until the new months start to come in.
Yeah, all the references are basically what happened. I don't know what it explains it at one point. But how we got taken out. But I mentioned this where I was about to say actually because it was the it also sets the time period as well.
Because you think you're in the 80s, it is called war. It is called like the Americans and the Russians. But it is a completely different way of it as well. There's different factors into it.
And the best part for me was the comedian. You killed Jackie. Yeah. Of course it is.
Of course it is. I didn't realize to watch it again today. It's a high quality version on actually how brutal the shot is. Yes.
Like, oh, I don't even remember the pictures looking at that. I remember hearing like obviously the classic stuff. Like they really went for such a tiny little shot. Yeah.
I'm sure they leave that ambiguous in the comics where they're like all the characters just assume he did it. But they mentioned he had an alibi at some point. Like he was somewhere else at the time. He also went in the comics.
He covered up Watergate. That's how Nixon managed to see in because that's what ruined him. And it was it was a comedian who covered it up because he was a government agent as well, which I thought was really interesting because I never I read the Watchmen a long time ago and I haven't really revisited the film since like for a long time until today. And I was like, he's such a really interested in intriguing character.
He's an arsehole. But he has it. He has an answer for every arsehole movie does. It's one of the things I went up like was watching it.
I brought down a few things about the comedians. I said he is the worst out of them all. Like say like the things he does in it like they attempted to be up is just just discussed. And I said he killed a pregnant woman.
He killed GFC. He is just like the grossest form of humanity. And that's why the keeper on scene is the joke. He knows like he's only one that's in on the joke.
Or you can only one that can see the punchline. I mean kind of but like in his final moments he's just like he's crying his heart out because it's like too much for him. And it's like he's like he's like mother help me and stuff. Yeah once he realizes essentially what I was a man just to plan it what they're going to do.
It's that's the breaking point of like that's too much. The change doesn't like make sense for me is like I don't think he would have reacted that from seeing a plan to make explosions that look like Dr. Manhattan. Yeah.
Yeah. I think it makes sense. What they're going to do to Dr. Manhattan that they're going to obviously movie not in the film obviously we're going to coerce like even if he's on head that he did it.
Yeah. He calls him all the best. Not that the kind of game was already against him. I like kind of the that that's a little bit from him that kind of like yes he's been the worst sort of person.
But it's even the point he's talking about how he shoots the pregnant girl and saying you could do anything. Yeah. You could do stuff. It's actually standard person.
I have no risk and I'm not controlled. You can. And like when he's like saying to Moloch like this is sad and he's like the closest thing I've got to a friend. It's like yeah.
So he just ends up being the most pathetic person in the entire world basically. It's a good version of himself. He says it really one of my favorite lines from the whole film was when they're in the streets and he says what about the American dream and he went this is it. Yeah.
This is it you are living this. And I was like oh my gosh. I was one of my favorite lines in the film. But yeah he's cool.
No it's fine. Like I've got a list of the original Minutemen's names as well. Oh my god. Quite cool.
So we've got Captain Mitraplus. Yeah. It was an army guy. He's an army guy.
I think they say ex-army because he's already like organized things. Yeah. The Silk Spectral which was Sally Jupiter. Just absolutely beautiful.
Hooded Justice as JX said before which like again. The kind of make out might be a Nazi like but like hiding out in America. No. Oh it's an interesting take but that's not it.
Well no no that's a thing because it changed from what the comic version was to the TV show. Oh really? The TV show that wasn't what the hooded justice was meant to be. That was basically the guy who would be at the TV show.
It turned into as part of like. Oh that's an excellent. Because if you look at the movie hooded justice is white. Like if you look at German accent as well.
Nobody but not because it explains the TV show why he did that. He's not white. But that wasn't part of the comic. Ah right.
Because he's dead. He also is like the well-known the say the founder body that they thought was him. It's like a weird thing. It's just mentioned in the book section.
But that was a lot of them in the TV show. Yeah the TV show that was completely created as brand new. That was completely different. One thing I've heard about the TV show is that the guy who wrote it just had that story you wanted to write and it was on the side.
It's so true. It's so true. But it's the main plot line. But it's so good.
So good. Mothman. One one I loved as well as silhouette. She was absolutely stunning.
Like I love the femme fiddle look and she looked it up to me as an amazing dollar bill. Which just made us laugh. It explains in the comics that he was like a bank mascot. Like they hired him to be like a superhero for the bank.
And he's on the coin's cape, caught in the door. That's why I came so bad. So no key. Okay.
Okay. And the original night owl which was Hollis Mason and the comedian. Because the comedian fought me as well because he was in the originals and he still looked not too bad. I'm glad they didn't when he was in Vietnam as well.