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What are your hosts Sam? I'm the other host Paul and we are joined by oh nobody. It's just us. Yes everyone else has fucked off.
But yes um yeah quite like in the next interest the two two some episodes we do for so far. So you're gonna call us the groups and two some now. That's the Monday's I'm not taking away your spot like oh yes. But for this what this right here?
Getting the vlogs in already so yes. Once this Monday. Yeah. Yes so we are not joined by anyone tonight so it is me and the lovely Sam and today's gonna be a fun episode because we did our plans for it and it changed this week and we thought what could we do and now with Monday's episode being all about a scary kickoff shift in clown called Pennywise and it's a summer it's nice.
It's sunny with one adventures. We'll steal another Stephen King reference. We'll do not review just to talk about stand by me which is one of the greatest coming of the inch movies that has ever been near I would ask it but but before we start into that how's your dear being Sam are you okay? It's weird when someone else asks it.
It's been brilliant I've had such a good day and we have we've been outside. Outside. We've been outside. We got together and a group of got together and we went out for dinner for my birthday this week.
It's just 50. Happy 50 Sami. I love this one I'm 50. I won't be unhappy.
We all went out and I got the bestest presents of the bestestest people and I've had such a good day. How's your day being? It's fine. Like I just kind of like how still smashed up so you might be a banging in the background nor that's not my wife trying to kill me but yes we are re-doing the kitchen and it's one problem after the other so it's all fun.
But yes. I have a question. Another question. Another question.
What do you mean watching? Whatever you mean watching? Yeah. Got you.
Since last week's episode I have been catching up on the new season of August, August, and I think there's about four or five episodes out of the new season and it is very, very good. And just noticed in the chat as well, someone made a better call, sole reference. There are cameos from people from Breaking Bad in the new season. So it is- Oh my god.
I've seen clips. I thought it was like a promo thing. Like you know when they do like the like the schedule like Red Nosedly has something like for that. Oh my god.
No, no. There are cameo in one of the episodes and Charlie does end up up kidding that one point. So I'm so I mean, I mean, I mean, I can't wait for that. Oh, that's so good.
We're just gonna wait until the finish is as we can we would blip that in a night. And I've been watching out for a lot of things. Well, go on. What else have you been watching?
Goodwill will be happy because I started Archer again because after the incident at Cinecom, I've been one of the three watched Archer because any kind of watch Archer now, I just see Goodwill throw ninja stars at people and trying to kill people. And just to put out this game as well, nobody was hurt, injured in the podcast meeting today. And when we went out for food, no one was injured, no one had the eyes taken out. We were forced to take an ice cream by Donna and Kelly.
How aggressively it got over ice cream. It was so much. It was so worth it because that ice cream was amazing. But wow, they were very passionate over ice cream.
And I loved how there was an ice cream bender just to all right. And Donna was like, no, we're going to walk as far away as possible to the best ice cream. It was nice. But yeah, it was quite a bit.
Did you notice something today as well? I've done this going to kill me for this. It's just going to absolutely kill me. No.
No, you're listening. Donna, come out to the toilet laughing ahead off. Like for most of the time she was out with us. Her nipple was on show.
So she was flashing the whole world. So anyone who was out in some deer could have seen Donna's nipple for it. Well, Donna, I got a big massive pog of you when you came in and I didn't even notice at all. So you can see where my eyes were.
They were looking directly in chihos. Yes. So I think there was only Kelly that noticed the nipple here. Yes.
Breathe in for all three girls. Don't be scared, Donna. There's men out there who aren't either. Well.
So what have you been watching, young really? OK, so I've apparently started watching The Simpsons again. From the beginning. Yeah.
And we're watching my in-laws dogs at the moment. And I tend to put the teleon when I'm watching dogs. Because I watch a lot of talks. And I put the teleon and normally I'll put like what was burgers on or just something bright and colourful and loud.
And I put The Simpsons on and I haven't stopped watching it. So normally I just turn it off when I go in the living room. But not being watching it. And not being turned it off.
But what I did start the other day, which I generally thought was a filament first. And it's not. It's a six part series. And Daisy Jones in the six.
All right. It's on prime. If anyone's a lover of music of the 70s of I would say Fleetwood Mac as well. Because very heavily influenced by Fleetwood Mac's story by Stevie Nicks and the book in them's story.
And it's just it's got Riley Keo who is the granddaughter of Elvis. She's in it. Fucking phenomenal voice. Guy from Hunger Games.
The second Hunger Games he's in it. And it's just it's so good. I need to finish it though. But it is really enjoy unit.
Oh, no, it sounds interesting. There was another documentary I've watched and just like completely different subject to what you think, but it was about like something in the past. And the muscle one about the American community is that was fucked up. Really?
Some of the stuff like the start of like shorting how the pilots everything was done on concrete. So we went on slamming people people were like really getting like breaking like the spines, dislocating the legs, shoulders popping out. So they have to like help and safety be done. The good world was just like out of order crazy.
And the amount of people that like the fucked and they were just having steroids, this line around like to the point where they just couldn't say, okay, we're going to test everyone but in six weeks time. So give them six weeks to get clean then take the steroids again. Honestly, it's one of the messed up most messed up documentaries I've seen in a while. Just for people kind of like the went on to on a bus and the busy just shagged everyone on the bus for the whole tour.
Oh, well, Jesus, I saw it advertised and I thought that looks really cool. Like that looks like it's going to be one of a mess, but I want to watch it. Oh, it was at the tin as hell. But it's just rolled up Americans just going the ends.
Like two of them were in the car and arguing over the music with the end. So they got out the car and started smashing each other all over fighting, then giving each other a hug afterwards and went back, went for food. Whoa. The road rage is real guys and it doesn't make you have a small penis.
So don't do it. The rule in my car is if you can connect your phone to my Bluetooth without any issues and have Spotify, you can put whatever music on you want. But I don't get involved. You've got to figure it out yourself.
That's the rule in my car. Unless if you don't, you listen to my shit. Yes, exactly. And it should be always drive as choice to be fair.
And if someone's driving you about, don't be a dick, don't want more about everything. Just be happy you get in a lift. The rules of the road guy there. So now you want to do your lovely disclaimer that won't be done next week by yourself.
No warned. You will have the pleasure of somebody else seeing my disclaimer. Yes. It's going to be done for word for word as well.
That's all I've been. Well, see. Well, see. But everything discussed in today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone.
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So let's keep it fun, keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of notism. Very well done. So thank you. If you listen to Monday's episode, I think that's in a very creepy voice.
I think Michael Orbanon is incredibly creepy. To be fair, that a lot of stuff was creepy on the Monsters Up North episode. See, we were talking a lot about childhood, who's been stumbling out of times. But it is old fun.
But not on this episode, not today, because we are talking about the great standby me. And have you watched this one? Yes, I have. See, many times before, but I did it, I wasn't doing anything the other day, because me car was in the garage.
So I thought, you know what? I'll actually watch a film that I'll be going to talk about beforehand, which I never normally do. And it just, it just walks your heart. There's no other way to describe it.
Like when you've opened, even the opening scenes. It's like a one black, one comfortable blanket that never disappoints, if that makes sense. And I know a lot of people throw this word around and it's lost a little bit of meaning now. But the movie is completely timeless.
You could watch this in the next 20 years, and it'll still have the same impact and the same effect, because of how well it was done. And how, say, of its time it was as well. That's the best way I can just initially describe it. Absolutely.
And so, I know you mentioned that you've seen it a few times before. So when I know it's going to be hard, but can you remember, like, roughly the first time you watched it? I'd dare say it wasn't that long ago. I'd dare say it in the last 10 years.
Probably a little bit less than that maybe. Because I don't know. I'm used to, I genuinely don't know, but I don't feel like I don't think it's something I watched when I was younger. Right, okay.
It would be up my street when I was younger, because that's the kind of, you know, that was the small holidays. Yes. Going around at all. I mean, I didn't have Chinese, so it could have been bodies lurking around.
But it was that adventure, like kind of, yeah. I'll always watch this. I can't remember the exact age, but I remember watching around. Because it was like, what could be any use of baby sales when we on Dad work?
I was probably a little bit younger to watch this, because it makes it a lot of a lot of bad language in this movie. I know it's probably a PG now, but the tones and stuff is very adult-comixed or thing. It's not the normal light and fluffy, comorbidity movie that we can see from more films. And that's why I probably do love this as more, because it's the moral of the story, and everything is about friendship and not having, you never have the friends that you do when you're kids, which I agree with to a degree, but I think in certain situations, that does rain a bit true.
But the main story of this is just about the friendships and growing up with them friends. And the treatment, like real kids though as well, like they have real kid conversations that talk to each other, like real kids, it's not all like all light and fluffy. Like the group they're in, as you described, they've got two idiots and a thief. And normally that's what you had kind of had near friendship groups back then when you were kids, but it's not a thief, but still you had a few idiots.
But what they had was complex kids that had vern who was very, who saw Naive and saw Gullible and just said, yeah, but in the sweetest possible way. And he had, oh, God, what's same? Teddy. Teddy, yeah, Teddy, you know, he had one of the most traumatic experiences as a child, and but still worshiped this man who put him through so much pain.
He had so much baggage on him. Chris came from an incredibly bad background where because of that reputation of his family, it's been put onto him and he's been made out to be somebody he's not. And then you've got Gori. Gori, yeah, Gori, yeah, yeah, he's gone through grief.
He's gone through mourning and he's lost his brother. I looked at the timeline and this all happened on September 4th to September 8th. And his brother died the few months before that. So it's like really, really fresh in Gori's head.
So these kids have like the complex, so fucking complex, but did we really know that much about our friends at that age? No, no, no. And I wish I had a friendship group like this. That's why I gravitated towards it so much as a kid.
And I still do. I watched this movie. Probably works out of probably about at least once or twice a year. I can't go here without not seeing it because, as I mentioned before, I'd say the comfort blanket is that this comfort movies you can watch and make sure instantly feel at ease or relax your, or take you to a better place.
Like this moves like this, like Lost Boys breakfast club, the Goonies, again, I know everyone take the boxes like Goony didn't go there, but they are very similar in tones and stuff. But the main thing, like one of the things I wanted to touch on as well, because if you look at the cast, like from like every single character in this, like I don't know many films that has a pedigree in the cast like this. If you're not going to, like you've got John Kousa, a bit part, you've got Richard Rifas, Keith Asullen, Corey Filman, he's a bit nuts, what he still was up there in the day. And he still has, he still has, regardless of how we feel about him.
And he still has one of the best reputations when it comes to these classic movies. So like Jerry O'Connell, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get on the podcast one day, and the lyrics great Riverphoenix. So, and then, like, say them and the main players in this room, and all this like side people and stuff like that, but to get that level of cast today, it just wouldn't happen. Or you would be playing a fucking shit ton of money to produce a movie.
And this was just a level like, and nothing movie, if I was in this, was just made just on the back of just to try and make, see what they could do. With that makes sense, they weren't expected to go do anything. No, it was Rob Reiner, the director, and I was reading earlier, because we all know how Stephen King feels about certain adaptations of his work. And Stephen King is such an advocate for, for people to be creative.
And if that means taking his work and turn and doing something with it, he's more than happy for people to do that. He actually, he has this program where it's like, he will pay them a dollar for the rights or something. Are they, are they, are they, are they, or they take the dollar for the rights? Right.
Okay. It's, it's so, he's just, I would have to read more about it, but he's, he loves creativity. So he's happy for anyone to do it, but he has had his opinions on the way that his work is being portrayed. And we all know how he felt about the shine and massively.
When Rob Reiner shorting the final cut of this, he walked out of the room, shaken. He was crying. He was shaking. And Rob ricked it because he thought in his head, if this guy doesn't like what we've done, we're not putting it out.
And when he's talking, he said, it was what it's one of the most faithful adaptations that I've ever seen of my work. And it's to this day, his favorite, still his favorite. It is. And I didn't realize like, because I was a bit naive as a kid, I didn't realize it was a Stephen King Boop.
Well, not a book story. It was a short story. It was the story. It was the other short stories.
In different seasons, was it? Yeah. Yeah. No, it was a book.
Yeah. And I think Adapt I published really. And I think that was probably one of them, just because it's not the longest. No, no.
And I think this is why the adaptation works so well, is because it's a short story. It's not like Stephen King is renowned for building worlds. If you read his books, if you'd well, try and read his books, it's like chapter on chapter, just telling you what the room looks like. But this is just basically a very simple story of four friends acting themselves in the summer, trying to get bored.
And with like, of the time, the haven't got the internet, they haven't got anything to keep them busy, but the hear the news that's caved around their ages went missing. And then they hear from the like, burns all the blood that they've seen it being hit by a train. And that adventure to them is just something that they can't pass up, like to go on and like getting to find a dead body. Now, that sounds incredibly creepy now.
But if you were a kid that age, that would be a fucking amazing adventure. It's and it's also being the heroes. They were going to find the boy and become the hero was and probably for each individual person, there was something to gain from that. Like, Vern wouldn't look ridiculous.
Chris wouldn't look like either thief and comes from bad stock and Gordy, you know, he's. Get out of these shuttles. Shut up or type thing. Exactly.
And Teddy just like Teddy just to prove to his dad because he keeps going out about the whole my dad's on the beaches of Normandy in his eyes. His dad is a fucking hero. So he just wants to live up to that hero aspect. So each and every one of them have a reason to do it.
So we're all going to talk about the movie as well, but just before we get into the characters as well, which character, I will ask two questions here. The first one is which character do you like the most? Okay. Chris.
Okay. 100% Chris. Absolutely love him. The way he speaks to Gordy on such an adult level, for such a young age, he's such an old soul in there.
And it's when he says to Gordy, I wish I was your dad because I could tell like, I could, if he uses that kind of language, I just, I think he's fantastic. Such a lovely person. No, definitely. I think I said the stuff that he's been through, he's grown a lot more so he's is an adult before his time as a lot of people keep telling, seeing as he's been through shit.
So he's grown through it. And that was quite common of the time that this was set. The next question I want to ask them, who do you most relate to? So you'll be the one that brings the cool.
Absolutely, and only because the fact that he hid a jar of pennies under his house, what am I about? That Matthew got lost and he then couldn't find them. That's me all over. Right.
Okay. That brings him alone. That's not good answers. I quite like that.
What was yours, Raven? I like, I've always loved Jody's character. Gordy, sorry. I just thought there was an innocence and just not wanting to grow up and let go of the things.
And he realized what Chris is saying is correct, but when you get further, I got the end of the movie. He never gave up on Chris. He wouldn't let Chris go down the route of what he was in. He made him do the college courses and he was doesn't tell you in the film, but that's the message I got.
That he was a big inspiration to get Chris out of Castle Rock and move out and unfortunately led to his tiny death. But what to do and what Chris does? Chris was a mediator and that's... But that was...
I see, Gordy was probably the one I liked, but again, probably the one I most related to was probably Chris, not because I was a thief, but because of the shit happening in your life and so if you do grow up a lot quicker and even though it doesn't seem like enough times, I am the one that always tries to stop fights and put out fires wherever I can. A lot of the situations, which is... It's true. Very much true.
And as a lot of people say, I'm not the one starting fights, but yeah. But he's ending up not making. What was I going to say? Grow up again.
I'm just trying to not look at the chat because not one of them is talking about the actual subject of hands. No, it's fine. It's just like, if you've got Ellie and Donna playing for them. Oh well, they've got...
The cover was funny earlier as well because Kelly is the funny queen. So yes, that's a new title which we are giving her. But yes. I've always appreciated the visual aspects in this movie as well because it's not done in High Def or I don't think it was done in the Digital either.
So it's very greeny. And even when you get the 4K or the Blu-ray version, it's still very greeny and look, but it's very picturesque. And the camera and those shots and everything is visually just... I can be for it.
But I think with the thing that always stands out, it's the same with the goonies as well as the friendships with the kids, do seem very genuine. And you can actually see that friendship group going down the road or being a thing. But there's so many different highlights that I have to love a little bit. I mean, the little things have got a secret knock to get into the treehouse and I'll always forget it and not letting it in and stuff like that.
Yeah, I love that scene in the treehouse, the playing cards and then friends trying to tell them this really important story and they just keep singing. I drive all the way home. We used to be balanced like this as kids as well. So it used to be a thing that used to pick up.
You used to get them to say something and just completely go off on pangens and rip on them as well. So that was always quite relatable with stuff. But there was always one person that grew back used to get the shit nicely made when I was a kid. So probably because I'm so gullible naive.
I generally don't care. That seems lovely though because it really gives you an insight. It shows you straight away who these people are. I know you get to see a little bit more as it goes on obviously but it's just like the four of them sitting initially together.
I love that. And it's hilarious as well. They actually show you in this film that they wouldn't dare show these days. Get smoggin.
It's quite interesting as well. It's very much of its time. But kids having tabs and stealing to see reds off the parents. And Chris sitting there with the box rolled up in his very own like as well.
Yeah. Just a reason about it. But that's I think like the Stephen King aspect as well is like the kept it's so true to like like the tour and the novel, not the novel, the short story. And very brave but it worked so well with it.
What did you feel about the main protagonist? Like Sikeeta Sutherland's character? Yes. He's horrible.
He has the I mean, the shit he's doing is pathetic. Like when you really look at it, it's goddamn pathetic, especially the whole knocking off the letter boxes. I mean, come on. Think of something a bit more fucking original.
When he steals golly's hat, he knows his brother is a big deal. And he still takes a goddamn hat. That is a horrible thing to do. The way that he makes when he gets Chris on the floor as well.
He isn't at all. But the way that they get him at the end is exactly how you would get a bully like that. Yeah. I'm sure just to see if you've got the balls to take back.
Sorry to cross over podcasts here as well. But did you get very Henry Bowers vibes from him as well? A lot. Yeah.
A little bit. Henry was all about that. I'm gonna fucking kill you. Yeah.
Constantly. I don't think really get that kind of sadistic feeling from him but still kind of the same type of bully. Yeah. Like say a coward down to his heart but more like say I would love to have known more about his or find out more about that background as well.
This what happened and what led him to a busy stage that he got to do that. Yeah. Because we know about Henry Henry's background, you know, he's dad and he was so scared of his dad. There's a scene in the TV series.
Sorry to be crossing this over. But there is a scene in the TV series where he's gonna get flunked from one of his exams and he bricks it because his dad's gonna have to know about that. So we do know about Henry. I think he is when it comes down to which he's probably a mummies boy.
Right. Okay. Interesting. And he just always had it his own way.
Yeah. I don't think he comes from a bad background. I think if anything Chris comes from a worse background. Yeah.
And he's called eyeball or something. Eyeball chambers. Yeah. Something like that.
And so yeah. I think Chris comes from a worse background and I just think he's trying to live up to hype. Yeah. And he's just I don't think it means anything to him.
No. I just said with AS you kind of get that vibe or that feeling that he's just in it for the glory or for the North to not already typing. And this big bad bully or the way six about women as well. Like when he's telling the guy you know, with doing boys as you did well that year.
You know, I can't get anywhere else to let this do is just feeling fits. And he's going you need to get yourself with a Protestant or a Jew. And because the Christian last won't ever put out. And it's like, wow, that that's how their views on women is back then.
And like just to show the kind of basic douchebag that he really was. But good protagonist, but he's just a bit pathetic. And I don't know if that's just adult eyes. Possibly.
I'm thinking that. Yeah. I would have been scared of him as a kid, nor dealt with like his attitude and like say with everything that's going on. I probably would have been scared of him if he like ran my town, if that makes sense.
I grew up with older male cousin who is that person who is so and just used it. That's probably why I think it's so pathetic for because I've seen it all from him. So it's just like, God, something original. That's one thing I did want to mention as well.
And then as soon as I watched it again, the other deer and you realize how good it is, the soundtrack. Oh, yes. 50s. 50s feeling.
I love that. I love the fact that the soundtrack can make you feel warm. Definitely. I know we often talk about like a few of its movie soundtracks in the group and stuff.
And I know a lot of the ones, regulars always get to mention like Lost Boys, The Cruel, like see other movies. But Stan, but I made it doesn't come up and I don't realize how good and how much other moods there music is in this as well. Like from the Wall of the Train tracks is going to lollipop lollipop. And I'm going to go on the first.
What is the song that they sing when they're on the train tracks? And it's just them. It goes to. I think it's a song that the song that the song that the song scouts or something that from the sounds of it.
I tried to find the lyrics to that song to put in a post for Sam by me and I couldn't find it. And I was like trying to like think of trick like words. I was like, I'm gonna have to go back and watch it. And I was like, no, not doing that.
No, I don't think it's an actual song. I think it might be something that scopes. It's like what was it in big with a goal. I can't remember that one.
I don't even know. We brains. Oh, I can go on, go for it. Hang on.
Hang on. Oh, okay. Pull it out here. Oh, oh, show me what's been done this week.
I said it. I said it. I still my mum is credit. I'm cool.
I'm high. It's me and it gets a one more time. Well done. I can't remember.
I can't remember the beginning bit. No, but it's like they're little things that do. Say we would like, now you said it all. I'm hearing me head is down.
But a lot of things like I said, when I sing a lollipop, when it's going to take out the papers and the trash, I don't get any spending cash. Yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy, Koko, pop. Thank you, Kelly. Yes, that's it.
We'll get you to perform a probably when we do the Tom Tom Tom's episodes. That's fine. Yeah. The soundtrack is absolutely phenomenal.
It is a soundtrack of the time, obviously, because of the way it wouldn't fit. But it does, it makes you feel warm. Like the it helps with the the movie of the film. Because it is quite dark.
The 20s, even though it's quite light and fluffy and stuff, there's some horrific things that do happen in this movie. There's a lot of adult issues for children to be dealing with. Yeah. Yeah.
Leech on your ballsack is terrifying. Oh, I heard I heard of Will, Will, will we get on a podcast talking about that scene? Right. And it costs a lot of money to put the leeches on them, to them to steal, make up wise and such.
And they said, you can't take them off during takes, you're going to have to leave them on. So they all had a bit of a time out and they were like, right, we're going to go and take his all to because they really tried to keep the kids, kids. So they took them to a theme park for the white allowed to take the leeches off. Right.
Okay. So the water in the theme park were leeches allowed in. They weren't actually allowed in. They had to turn around and walk back, but that's what the end will stresses a lot is the fact that this this production was so safe for these kids.
And they made sure these were when they were acting, they were trending like actors. The scene with the, the scene with Chris, when he finally loses it, and he's crying his eyes out, Rob Reiner had to pull him one side and say, listen, you need to dig deep, you need to find the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to you. And River Phoenix did not have the greatest upbringing. And he was, you need to dig deep and find the most traumatic thing that has ever happened to you.
And that's what you need to use. The scene that you get is him on the back of his own trauma. Right. And with the scene with the train, Rob Reiner was not convinced that Wil Wheaton and Gerry O'Connell was scared.
I took care of him. And he made them scared. I got out of the distance. Screaming, shouting at them, basically getting them into a position where they were chalked up.
But the minute the minute it was action done, cut, he was back to being Rob Reiner, and your friend. And he made sure, I keep a so that I didn't like spending time with them from what I've been reading. Because they, again, they wanted to make sure the kids were kids and not around adults a lot. So they were having as much fun as the can to convey that friendship on screen.
And I really like that. But yeah, excellent. Had a few run-ins with them, put a chip back. Yes.
Because of the Southern, he was just the, he was the king with some of those movies that he did though. So I think he was telling you now, Corey Feldman had a fucking, a better backlog than him at the time of filming. Yeah. He's probably seen all the ones he was in as well, though, to be fair.
I don't think it was in Flat Niners. No, no, he wasn't. No. But no.
And a lot of people forget about this movie as well though. And that's always a shame. Because when they talk about like greatest movies or favorite movies from the time, I think Stand By Me just stand up to most just for longevity, like I said before. Yeah.
But like that scene I mentioned before, the leech scene, like you can't help but cringe. And you don't know what, like say they would be going through. But there's also like the parody scenes as well when the go through the junkyard. And you get it like in a monologue as well, where it's like sick balls chugger.
But I don't know if that's what he said. No. And I love the inner monologue that you get. That's what Richard Dreyf is telling the story behind it as well.
Totally forgot he was in this film until I put it on. I was like, oh, really? I can't remember that. Spoilers for the Monday's episode as well.
We did talk about like the children and the adults not looking like the kids. Now Will Wheaton must have had a really bad like teenage years if he turned into Richard Riffers from what he looked up there. So that transformation didn't work quite well for me. No, not quite yet.
There's a few differences in actually, no, sorry. I don't want to jump towards quite yet. And the scene with that went crushes on the gun, there's the fact that God doesn't freak out. Like, oh my God, you've got a gun.
Maybe you got it. He's like, fuck yeah, that's cool. Because why would he not think that he's like the kids? And it's the reaction when he shoots it.
But it's not fierce. And it's the fact that him and Chris managed to do the same expression at the exact same time is absolutely timeless. But I also love the fact that conversation afterwards, when you say you knew that was loaded and you went honestly, hand on heart, and it went, it's just a sincerity in his voice. Like, if we can talk about the Phoenix for a second, that boy in that I've a column of boy, because that's what he is in this film, he was an incredible, incredible actor.
It's so sad that we never that we wouldn't, I mean, we are really seeing a piece of him with wacking Phoenix because I feel like he has the kind of same work ethic as his brother did when it comes to acting. But it would have been incredible to see where he went. Oh, like what potentially we could have? Because as we mentioned, I think we're talking about we would have had more young Indiana Jones.
That was the plan. That was the initial plan was just to screen test him as the young Indiana Jones. He picked up very well on the screen. And obviously, when he's fit as fuck in it.
And that we're going to run with that. There's a lot of people in our DiCaprio. There's a lot of Lee or Rawls that were intended for him. But yeah, it's sad.
It's really, really sad that he went the way he did. Yes. And you can probably say that about so many different people as well. Oh, yeah.
Absolutely. It's the name of the game. If they then type of things do happen. But I think if you're going to appreciate for what was left, make city go back.
As I said, this, what was the other one? I really want to say it as well. I think it was also... What was it my favorite?
I think I had the idea of it. Yeah, with them Keanu Reeves. I watched this down interview very recently. It might have been an anniversary of something of this movie or actually the anniversary of his death will always be Halloween.
Wasn't it? Yeah, I mean, I definitely wasn't Halloween. So it must have been for the release of this. And it's Rob Reiner, Will Eaton, and Corey Feldman.
Right. Okay. Is it in a theatre talking about it and the admiration and the pain before still feel to this day? Probably not.
That I don't want to have them around anymore? Yeah. No, it's always going to be hard. And I think the best thing we can do is just appreciate for, as I said before, what is left behind rather than like more than like what we could have had type thing.
Oh, yeah. It's always a sad aspect. But there's things that like see, there's happened, I'm not to say a theatre or anything like that. People always do make decisions.
And he made choices, which is my private Idaho, sorry, my private Idaho. And Will Wheaton hasn't had a little bit of resentment towards him. So when this movie finished, this was it. Now, I'm taking this from the probably about 10 years ago.
Will has now come out and talked about his family dynamic at the time of when he was a young actor. And it's very different conversation to what he had 10 years ago. And basically, all of the secrets out of how much of his parents were monsters. But at the time, when Al heard this interview, he hadn't released that yet.
And he said he had a lot of resentment towards Rivervania because he, this movie wrapped, it was fucking huge. This was it. This was where it was starting. And River was getting this thrown out of him.
That throwing at him. And he didn't. Yeah, which is understandable. Because he didn't see it that way.
He was just as good. If not better. In his eyes than Rivervania, he stitched with Rivervania and acted alongside him. He felt his place was where he should be as well.
Not that he wanted to take anything away. He just wanted to be in that place. And he didn't obviously get it. And he had a fair bit of resentment, but never lost the love for him.
No, and that's quite admirable as well. At least I had the balls to admit it. But again, and not sounds bad, but Will Wheaton did have a look. And you could only do certain things.
It's not going to be like, I'll believe we'll go in certain things. Well, Rivervania had the the look that he could do everything and be anything as well. I would be interested if anyone's ever asked him what his favorite role was with Will Wheaton. I've got to always get upset with this.
Will he prefer? Does he say that he would love to do and stand by me more than Star Trek? In things that I've heard of about Hurdam, because he's best friends with Chris Haldwig. And I used to listen to the Nerdist podcast all the time.
So Chris, he's always mentioned stories of Will, and he had Will on a few times. And the tone that I get when he talks about Star Trek again, this is going way back. And this is like 2014 time. And he, the tone, it's like, he didn't have a good time.
And he kind of like, I don't know, he's just, he tries, he's trying hard as to look back on it fondly. Can't seem to do that. But with this movie, this one is special. And his friends tortured him with it.
They used to go to a diner. And the diner used to have them little mini jukeboxes on the table where you could keep this on from the table. They would go on to every single one and stand by me. I would do the same though.
I would do the same. I sit and repeatedly listen to it. They would go to strip bars and request that stand by me, please. So yeah, that's a great, great.
I just, I love listening to Will, and we need to get good on a strip floor, strip on clear, like stand by me to see how good will be. That would be interesting. And I would be interested. And did you add in no grown up?
Oh, through the years that this was Gerry O'Connell. Yeah, it wasn't until I heard a reference on something. And it might have been big fan theory. The big hit is Gerry O'Connell, which I find hilarious that he's actually Sheldon's brother.
I'm sure that was where I heard John. Possibly. But no, yeah, it's one that I said with the cast. The cast is second to none with anything.
But yeah, he did change a lot Gerry O'Connell. You don't well, you grew into them bones. So it's, you did. Now going into the actual story.
Have you read the book? Yes. Oh, the short story. It's called the body.
Yes. Yeah. And is it, does it give you more detail? Or is it just a, is this a very much a carbon copy of the short story?
There's very minute differences, but the characters are exactly the same. The story is the same. The everything that happens towards the end. It's one in one's where they don't change anything that's important.
So what you see in the film is pretty much in the book. Just because it is a short story, there's not much more to go. I think there's a few of that a bit. There's more like with this story in the reaction.
But the story with the story with Lardass and stuff. I'm still in there, I believe. Again, I might be just talking bullshit there, but I'm sure it is. But because it's been a few years, it's a very, very close adaptation.
There's no extra gleaming stuff. But if you like the movie, I would always recommend reading it just because it gives you a bit of extra flavour. Yeah. And I know the book goes on to Rixley in that, so at the end of the movie, Richard Riker's explains that the two Teddy and Vern went off and lived their lives and Chris got killed on the day that he's telling the story.
It didn't actually happen. They both got killed. Vern got killed in a house fire and Teddy got knocked over. They were both dead at the point of the storytelling.
And that Chris, so when Ace is going to kill, he's not going to kill him. He's like, come on, he wouldn't do it. But he was going to kill Chris by setting his throat. That is how he died.
So there you go. I think you do a little bit of reading on today's episode. I just wanted to see if there was anything more than what I've visually seen. I do love the end scene though.
I think that is one of the best end scenes ever. Not just that one, they actually find him. Yeah. And the two gangs confront each other.
I want to ask a question about that as well. So if you found the bodies, take the gang situation out of it, could you have went through and got recorded or would you have felt wrong doing it? Because how they did, they got there and didn't feel right for them to do that. I would have, they didn't do it in an anonymous form?
Like the first one. They wanted to see the notoriety in CIO. They wanted to put their names forward to say we found them. I probably, if I had the same kind of adventure that they did of this whole self discovery, I would have done it non-unimously.
Yeah, definitely. And because this isn't like a Lord of the Rings where we get 15 different endings. We do get three different three ending points for the movie, which is, again, I always like, the first one is when to find the body and the decide what to do. The second one is when they go off and like Ziggleby and that's like Ziggleby to the childhood and that friendship group will never be the same again, which we all went through and we all have them moments.
You don't really realize that at the time, but you can look back and say that was the moment where we grew apart or we can see that was the label. And then the ending of the actual movie when Richard Dreyfus's Lordy realizes he's almost been like his dad. He's not having fun with these kids. He's basically so now he's writing.
So then he ends the book with one of the most best lines to never had a friendship with friends like that. What do you ever do when you're not 12 or something like that? Again, Tolly Butcher and I twirl it in because they're really poetic. I had a finish.
And you're seeing one of the favorite lines to end a movie, if that was to be used as that one. Yeah, so them aspects to it, I know we've missed out huge chunks of the movie as well, but then Keith thinks and then all the other rings for like only having so many different endings as well. But that's one where a mobile endings kind of work and kind of gives you closure to everything at the same time. Yeah, yeah, and I appreciate the fact that there was them different.
The old was the same kind of ending, nothing really changed, but it was just a different perspective on it. And there's one thing we haven't mentioned about this movie. And this is the absolute corgus of dialogue that we get throughout this film. Suck my fat one, you cheat, dime, putt.
So fucking good. So good that ending with God in the gun and all that line, it is one of my favorite, if not my favorite lines in movie history, I absolutely love it. And what I also appreciate it as well. Now, my husband will absolutely well agree with this.
And I am a dickhead when it comes down to bodies on the screen, when somebody's died, because they always do the whole I shouldn't think. I'm here to tell you people that does my fucking work, right? When you die, your eyes will ping back open. And it really boils my piss when people do it, because I will point it out on every single thing.
Every time I say, some is a queen of death here, guys. So don't worry. And I will point it out on every single one what I loved about the body, about the kid, and bear in mind, that's the first time they see him ever when the recording. So that is their full on initial reaction.
And his eyes will open his jaw with slack. And his color was right. And I so appreciated that. And that they got that aspect correct.
And because otherwise I'd have been, especially if his eyes were closed, I'd have been filming. And I'm here to call his all sorts of names, but for it, because I don't say it, don't say it. And I'd be like, that doesn't really happen. I'm honestly, I'm absolutely also a forest.
The thing is, what people don't realise, Sam has killed me many before, so she knows from personal experience with death, so victims, and for the many people she has killed and butchered, and we'll even go there, Sam, she has eaten as well. We're going to cannibalism there. You know what, she hates cannibalism. Yeah, I do want to hear it.
I'm not speaking from experience. I just am very fascinated by death. Well, they're calling you a Dex, so that's fine. No, that's okay.
Walking around, there's plastic sheets around you with Sami. Be very well. Just leave. Just leave.
It's easier for everyone to leave. But yeah, I really appreciate that aspect of it, like, especially from my Dukettish point of view, how brilliant that was. And I know we do talk about this quite a lot when we do talk about like the author movies or the classic show he's in. And this movie be re-meared, do you think?
Well, if you'd asked that before, Stranger Things, I'd have said absolutely not. But once again, they've managed to pull a group of children who have, because let's be honest, they are children, who have such magic that they can take you back to an era that you thought was well forgotten and Stranger Things managed to do that. So I don't know. I don't want it to ever be.
Because I just have zero special effects in this, everything's practical. Like even the bathroom scene, I guess hilarious, like with the Glaadass and- You can still see in the pipe. But I love it anyway. I love that story.