Nerdy Up North Podcast - Star Wars Part 2

We're live. Hi everyone and welcome to the Nodio Knod podcast. It's Nodio podcast and it's hosted by Northern nerds. I am one of your hosts Sam.

And I'm the host Paul and I hope you enjoyed our little intro tonight for a one minute clip. It took me four minutes. So yes we are joined tonight's by an in-veerter shall we say. So we've got Captain Goodwill on a voyage of explanation from the Sartrecht University.

The Goldilby where North Star Trek nerds went before. So yes he is crossing the lines with the Star and the Wars and the Star and the Trek. So he is an ambassador shall we say. And for the creepiest book we have Al's gone grant because he's scaring the fog out of us in that little dressing.

It's like a cross between the Sint Lord and Brett Michaels. And again we are joined by comic group Nurda Self, the lovely Lauren to stitch facts and knowledge on us all. So thank you for all for returning and thank you for joining us tonight. And I know the chat has been taught in a lot of shit for the last 15, 20 minutes.

I don't know why they're logged on early but that was enough. Not going to complain. So how's everyone tonight guys? Doing good.

I'm excited to talk for the second time on Star Wars. Yes. Yes. It's been a year's not how long this podcast goes as went.

We've literally only talked about Star Wars twice. Yeah we did the talk which so interest in fact number one Star Wars without first ever no talk. Yes. It was the first time that we ever did a talk outside of the top five.

So it was our first ever no talk and we've only ever done that in the Mandalorian. Yes the Mandalorian was ill times we did very ill times. I mean about eight months after it actually premiered. So nobody give this shit.

That didn't go well. Well yes. I mean do you want to do your little like I don't know if you don't speak or you haven't done it for a few weeks and good old five spin the other week as well. Oh good little Dave.

Did I? Oh did you? I wasn't there. I wasn't there but as I like to ask and I have missed it for a few weeks so we're going to bring back the cheesiness that is how are you guys doing?

Pretty good. And what are you doing? So I'll let the music as I'm up here all. Oh what have I been watching?

What's the true crime? That was a few weeks ago. Yeah it was but I did watch true crime. The last thing I literally watched was I can't let a lot of life of me remember what it's called but it was a Netflix thing about a killer nurse and the record he killed as he could possibly have killed as many as 400 people.

It's pretty intense but it's fascinating because obviously we've had killer nurses in this country but in America because health is monetized. So when somebody is doing something heinous in a hospital that it's very strange and very kind of like what the hospital then tries to do so they can keep their reputation and finances. So that was quite interesting and there was two women who were like working with him at the same time and it's just my heart goes out to them because they were already broken up by it because they thought he was a friend and a good co-worker. So yeah I love you like watching.

Lots of jolly to jolly happy self there. Looney. Oh whatever you've missed a good one. What have you been watching?

I have caught up on the Mandalorian. Oh me too. I have finally finished season three of the Mandalorian. Me too.

Other than that not much really being a rather busy week so finding time to sit down and like what I really want to start watching the curse on Channel 4 because I've heard good things about it and I think the second series is about to start this week or next week. So I really want to sit down and give that a go. Yeah just my backlog seems to be getting bigger and bigger every week and you just you never have time to watch anything. But yeah Mandalorian we'll discuss it obviously within the show.

That's what I've dedicated my time to catching up on. What about you Darth Sidious? Loads of fucking Star Wars me. I still don't know why I volunteered for this podcast.

I have no idea what was going on at the time but my tactic has basically been about what's more episodes of everything than I should be with Black my way through this. So it's going to be lovely to have a fresh perspective on it though because I've probably been found such for like a long time and you're just getting like now it would be really interesting to hear your perspective on it. To see if it's a fun of it. That's what it'd be the first question.

That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing. That's what you're talking about. You.

He's definitely on the dark side. Yes that was definitely a few questions later on as well. So yeah what about your lovely sonny? What have you been watching?

Oh I've been catching up Mandalorian. I'm a good girl. I finished it and Brooklyn Nine-Nine was still on that journey. I'm still on the wrong one through the second time and I went to see Return of the Jedi on Friday.

At the time the big screen it was phenomenal. It was such an experience. I know it's watching a film that I've seen a million times before but to experience it in like in your face like oh it was absolutely brilliant. The cinema was packed which was brilliant and it was just fun.

It was a really fun experience. I loved it. That's what it is. I haven't watched anything else.

Oh no I'm such a liar. We're back on Clone Wars. We're trying to get into Clone Wars into Rebels so we're kind of like because we're really excited for a Zulga. I'm sure we're going to get into but we want to understand a bit more.

We know we can go into it without it but we just want to we want to be a bit more knowledgeable. Right. Very good. So as being the king of trash TV I have been having a good diversion into not discovery plus unfortunately Jake will be disappointed.

I didn't go to them. I think you mentioned a few weeks ago months ago that there was another new season that was out last year I think Master which I didn't realize. So binge watch that and I have to see it because I had passed contestants on and a lot of contestants I always thought were coming but what a bunch of balance can I just see it on this season like all of them would but complain to us to each other. I got off who was jokingly or like all done tongue in cheek but the way that we're critiquing and talking about each other's artwork I know I get like with this being a bit of it like the thing of myself is a bit of a designer.

I would never think about talking about someone's artwork the way they talk to each other and knowing at the top of your profession gives you the right for an opinion but doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it and or it's probably reality TV show and stuff like that but yeah it pisses off a little bit but the whole size of love is short because it's been done fairly and stuff but the whole bringing back three masters that's won the show half way through the season as well as for anyone who's watching and then to come people who's done run as open second was just bullshit and they didn't have and like say they didn't have to horse those things and fair enough the guy who wanted his tarot win and it was just probably some of the best work I've ever seen but it's not fair putting him up against when he's won the show twice fucking before. You need to give him more people chance there was more of that was this the first year without Dave? Yeah yeah he was there but he wasn't there and it was very spiritual like he gets this big geek to horse this show and yet he still has Navarro's horse talent all over the top and constantly reminding him he's still there. Yeah but it kind of pissed us off a bit but then I watched one of the most weirdest TV shows I've ever seen on Netflix was about collections and auction have this American auction of gold gold in this way but it's selling American sports memorabilia and baseball cards but the way that we're going on it was just embarrassing.

I'm trying to make but there was like some stuff like 10 million dollars and stuff like that it was amazing but it's just just Americans being balanced basically so yes. Hi to our American audience. We do love you. I don't know if anyone's so fucking.

That's interesting. Sports memorabilia is huge in America. There's a reason Augio went to jail for as long as he did it because the club didn't fit. Yeah exactly.

Right shall we get into the wars? Do you want to do this? Because this is the one where people will come for us for our opinions. Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.

He is fun fact number two and the final one that I have the first ever time the disclaimer was said on the first Star Wars episode because of that very reason. It's not as finely tuned as it is today but it still sounds almost the same but it was the first time it was ever said. I can still remember the first conversation we had before the episode as well because I know it sounds really like because at that time we didn't have that many followers or that many subscribers but we were absolutely shit no sales because we were going to put some content on the website online and mention the word Star Wars because we know again and we'll do this later in a bit and I'll probably get a shift this book this is one of the probably the most toxic fan base on the internet. I don't think you'll get any shit from it.

I think you'll get agreement with a lot of the community Star Wars community because I mean there's some bad news out there but Star Wars is ridiculous even as a few days ago and there's been some shit in relation to in fact that was rare she constantly gets brought up every other time that they can and there was something that something else as well that's been going on and it literally was a couple of days ago so it's not always something always something with Star Wars fans if always the very gift keep reading it's so sad but the reason the disclaimer was said for was because of that reason and it's so good things because if you watch any true crime on YouTube there's always a disclaimer at the front and I just thought to myself well I'm just gonna say it but then they go over it done. It's done as well so far so that was that said as well. Exactly and I think a lot of people do agree with the the messaging as well so yeah great well everything discussing today's episode is our opinions and it's our opinions alone if you'd like to discuss anything in today's episode please come and join us in the Facebook group where we can have an open discussion what we want to have is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong we can all agree to disagree and abandon let's keep it fun keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior out of notism but what was doing agree on that it's falling for us as I was an even saying attention so yes he's learning tricks from grian now so yeah i can see him do it greens on the chat as well hi everyone in the chat hi everybody hello yes um so I'm quite interested like to dig in straight away with grom just because he has unearthed new territory so are you have you enjoyed like the wars or like watching the experience like again i won't be offended yeah it was suggested that star wars isn't you to me and obviously as a 41 year old man that would be absolutely insane for me to have avoided it for all these years i think probably where i differ from the rest of you guys is i got completely star wars out a couple years ago you know what i mean i adored obviously diorid dual three the people came out in my late teens and 20 so we were all very much looking forward to seeing your order fight and all the rest of it then the sequel trilogy came out and i wasn't initially that impressed with it and i think that kind of knows diagonally away from a lot of the tv shows and all of that kind of stuff i have delved in the tv shows but stuff like comics and like the the animated series that back up a lot the extended universe i have no idea what because after i'd wear jump in and pick out a few choice bits and it hasn't really worked i'm honest have you watched like leading up to this um i've finished off the mandalorian because i did very much enjoy the mandalorian and it was quite formula but it's it's a formula that i really really enjoyed i've been trying desperately to get into andor and yeah you think for somebody who loves dystopia as much as i do that a lot of what the shonen andor would ring with me but i've got so many other areas that i draw wonderful dystopian kind of um i don't know inspiration from almost um that another one just seems like a little bit too much with all the dystopian end of the world shit that i really really love and obviously because of the age i was when i was at the pre the prequel trillogies all the one was just like i'm gonna fucking enjoy this very much so that's cool so i know next time he's did an episode on star wars and we're talking about our introductions but i would be quite interested in all um probably with us all being around about the cme age or either the younger shall we see uh how could use come across star wars or being introduced as a like a first time into that type of universe uh Lauren but i'll ask you first like what was your first experiences with it um i mentioned this on the tree growing episode when i was like introducing myself but one of my first memories is literally watching return at the jedi on tv at christmas time and it's about three or four and i remember it was christmas because i remember the christmas tree and i remember i had a plate of mashed potatoes and turkey and gravy and on the floor and i was getting it everywhere and i can remember hearing everybody in the kitchen because i just left me to it they left me to ewoks and it was just it was just when there like it was just when there like i had them i got an autobrover and older sister and they're both like quite a little bit older than me and i got my older brother and older brother was a little bit of a nerd so he watched star wars with me and then like my dad gave me the star wars videos kind of thing and like it was never like oh you're a girl you know i go do these girl things it's like oh okay you know like star wars just you know it's like to do whatever like it was my happy place like they kind of left me to it so it was just how i grew up like i grew up but i also watched like other sci-fi stuff like Star Trek and sliders if anybody remembers the sliders oh sliders was pretty nice they're like fast game and like stuff like that was just like how i grew up but star wars like all of a sudden i really loved because was the animal lady yeah like layer like layer to character i was like kind of like really cool for a kid like especially like a young girl to kind of see because there's like this one story of the curry fisher where um there's like oh how do i explain to my child that you're in this bowl bikini and she's like well i killed a space lug in this gold bikini it's just like that's right yeah so yeah it's very special i would look like yeah have a nut type of elements like no no fine have an element with curry fisher and like princess layer in the star wars was probably as i said ahead of its time for a lot of different things because they could have been there as the damsel in distress or um like always need rescuing and stuff like that but even from episode like not say episode one every from the new hall star wars yeah she had an attitude she was a badass she would always gave as much shit as the person and i know that i had the love story with her in Han but she was never like depending on a man or anything like that yeah she was always capable and then she went and rescued Han even though like she she wasn't scared of like going after him it's she could have just ditched him and gone up and lived a very nice life so my rich and everything but she did she she was not she she was not too i had a very similar upbringing i was i had a we mentioned some of the best one i had an older cousin who was in the star wars and he got me into star wars and but i never fully appreciated princess layer as a character it wasn't until i was older maybe even like in my early like my early 20s that i actually fully appreciated her as a very strong woman in pop culture and i wrote this full article and for when i used to work for websites and i was just incredibly taken back and i didn't how i couldn't how could i have not have seen her i grew up in a very male centric place like my favorite characters on male or male and i just i never fully appreciated what Carrie actually brought or could have brought to us as a young girl yeah like i don't think i understood the nuances at the time like at all i was just like oh she's cool she shoots guns you know she's can write a stater and like i used to play this is core memory and locking but when i was a little because my brother was called Luke someone is very little i got confused i thought my brother was a Jedi but then i was like Luke versus the emperor and i'm Luke and he'd be the emperor and you know he kind of like tickle bite me into the lightning bolt for me and everything and then you know it's just fun but it it was never like i don't know because i know in some like some instances people growing up with their female and they want to like these kind of things and told like oh no it's a barbie kind of thing or something or i was in generalization but that was never like my experience which i'm quite thankful for because i should like some darly things but i was never nothing was ever like kind of off limits or for being like oh no this is the life yeah that was like my that was like my mom my mom would not allow us to have toys that represent the double gender so we weren't allowed kitchens or but dolls and have if we asked for them we like we got them my sister very much in my sister would like her barbies but me very much into my action figures and that's and she just wanted us to be able to choose what we wanted to play with she didn't want anything forced upon us because of the fact that we were girls so my mom is awesome she is very high and Mrs. Weatherall but yes good old how did you get into the wars this is probably going to be really specific obviously when i was younger it was i think the only sci-fi i was really into when i was obviously uh star trek i'd seen a few other things star wars had always been uh there and with other kids it was like oh you have to like star wars star trek crap it has to be star wars stars and it was like there was a rivalry and i never really got it because i've never i've never seen star wars as a as a whole so i was like yeah the two different things i don't care i like what i like but i remember it vividly because i've had to rock my brain because you know when you just when you think oh how did i get into this and you just like i've always been into it yeah all has been there yeah and then when you think oh god it was actually one defining thing that got me into it 1996 in my primary school assembly hall where it was like one of those do you remember when you used i'm like a movie day i like to be our yeah oh yeah like yeah the big siati on a trolley with me yes you know like boys you want all the teachers just wanted a minute yeah mr ashton had had too much port at the pub last i did like oh i've got a new master day that's and he rolled in his tv and he bobbed on return to the jedi now this was pre 20th anniversary digital alterary masters yeah so it's the first edition so i did yeah so we watched that i mean it's the third one so you just like why is that half built what's these teddy bear but for a kid at like eight years old she like pew pew bang bang yes i remember i mean i did it earlier on like my i got into star wars from that and obviously 97 came around and there was this huge because it was the 20th anniversary there was a huge marketing push for the digitally remastered trilogy and then obviously with it being luke because he's just like merchandise yeah so micro machines that's a license for all of them so yeah so my very first toy i mean i've got a little hot wheels on but my very first toy was a wide wing bomber i've still got it to this day i treasure that as my very first thing into star wars and i thought i'm with the building art too as well isn't it yes it is yeah yeah yeah um and just watching obviously my best friend was big into star wars and he so we did it all happen around about the same time he moved from south africa to where i live he was heavily into star wars he got me into the whole trilogy because he brought the vhs cassettes around you know the big half of remastered all silver and the other two versions thought it was a silver version and a gold version yeah i thought the silver one so we were watching it and i was just like new harp i was like it's a bit slow empire i was like oh my gosh yeah yeah that's the one yeah and i just i got into it from from there and you know with me liking ships and stuff i was like oh actually i love that i love that and then yeah i got into it but it was always to a lesser extent than the other stuff that i liked yeah over there it was there but it sort of after the pre-pultrulogy it matured because fandoms grew as the internet mature as the internet grew fandoms grew and i gained a new appreciation for star wars and its cultural impact on everyone because all the franchises that is one of the hugest cultural impacts is star wars yeah and i got a new appreciation for it i remember like i said it was i've mentioned it previously fanta menace i saw with my my late uncle which i i didn't like but i was there in my uncle and i was on the way time because i'm like i'm getting popcorn cool and then uh revenge of the sith was the first film i ever saw in my own and cinema was empty and i'm sort of like i'm on my own is this film shite maybe good will so this is like 2005 i'm not gonna be sitting there watching here and christians and jump around what why is everyone why is no one here and yeah and like i said it matured from there and i gained such an appreciation for everything that it had done for television and film and music and visual effects i mean industrialite and magic did nearly everything it did star trek it did loads of other stuff and to this day like you look at those effects from the 70s where it was all models it was all like everything was just it the so unique the sound effects so unique the music is so unique it my appreciation just grew all the way through and like i said when uh the force awakens came around that was like for me that was a major cinematic event it's like oh crap you know this is star wars and i'm seeing star wars in this cinema probably like how sammy felt seeing return of the jedi in the cinema it's just like only crazy crazy yeah it's crazy it's to think they it actually got to i'm so tired i'd been out all the i'd been out with god suddenly being a beamish and i literally had two minutes to turn around getting the car and go out and i was so tired towards the end of the film i was like you know what i was saying this a million times i'm maybe able to shut my eyes for a second and i just i couldn't because i was i even though i've seen it i didn't want to miss any of it and it was bit in it i totally forgot about i could not remember the big one the beginning big came on i went i got a minute it's one of all those three films i think you can enjoy them on dvd blue ray or tell me whatever to watch them at i max or cinema or whatever to watch on a big screen it's not a day out it's an event yeah because they are epic and have to be seen on the big screen yeah i'm really lucky like you're talking about when they remastered they actually had a cinematic release back then yeah and my dad took me to see them as about 10 or 11 and one of the films there was like we were like the only people in there just like little little ten-year-old me and my dad i'm so cool no i remember the remastered but that's the thing because we are of the age and again i keep saying we're all done shit we are um we've we've been through all the different variations of the star was because as i was said we got the original cuts where hannah shot first then we got the uh like say the remastered one which came out on vhs then the next remastered was the blue ray version and all those are the discs sorry these are this version i thought the dvd where it's got the remastered version and the original version in the same case oh that's very hard to confide now because i'm not letting go with them because i know george lippen when before he saw the disney says he would never release the original concepts again because i said that wasn't his his vision that's not what he wanted for star was i bought them back and uni not that i was such a cool guy i've got that one vhs the um original trilogy but it is the one that's been remastered so that is but the the last two cuts that they did was the blue ray one was the last time they actually changed the movies and then they would bring up the 3d versions so the 3d version of the films that was originally coming to the cinema was the released episode and a new hoping 3d or nor the race the fandom in thredy sorry at the cinema and then they were bought out by disney and the scrapped all them plans so you could only get them or buying them on blue ray rather than seeing the 3d in the summer um but did anyone else freak out during the blue ray version when this all ewoks blink yes because i mentioned it now we mentioned that you can't get what you mean because it didn't blink before it was just like the teddy bear type like the last i know like the remastered version like the eyes blinked and i was like what the fuck's going on now that you've mentioned it i can i can not i'm not see it now yeah yeah absolutely i just remember the little line in the big bank theory when i came up so i was like twenty eleven doors came out and there's a little scene where like shelden's bugging his blue jey on the windowsill and i was like come on we need to watch it before George Lucas remasters them again that's one of Anne's favourite episodes he loves it when the windows smashes i don't get it would he wet himself laughing at it yeah we're gonna get a good point as well because there's two i would say two big sci-fi genre like ip's out there that are pretty much touched or being like involved in every single culture like out there essence one is star trek i'll give it's like say i'll never say anything about star trek but star trek has touched so many different places and and integrate itself there but star wars is the other where literally every single reference point or tv show songs movies have made a reference to this and this is just unbelievable i'd still go into the air and like big bank theory was a huge one like the cameos we got on that like the funniest one is jim zerl jones and shelden where he's just basically like saying i like star wars and things like gonna kick off of them and he's like i like star wars still and just end up they're not being knocked me on not being knocked me nine doors on curry fish's house which was just the most same residual chattering a whole in my heart i use that clip for me tik tok because it's one of your favorite moments when he's like i guess you like star wars well guess what i like star wars too and it's the line when he knocks on carry's door and carry goes there's not funny james then why am i laughing it still gets us and it's such a good episode i love it but yeah i use that clip quite a bit on tik tok because it's so funny it wasn't at the first time james old jaunan and kary fish are like met on screen oh i think we're not on screen together because i go around the way i don't think i don't think he ever were like in star wars because obviously it was the uh the green cross code man uh obviously jennold jaunan did the vr and they said like big bang theory brought them both together for the first time i couldn't i couldn't say for sure i wouldn't know but then with it being made of force in a few days time our bill of a general gets her star in the Hollywood walk of fame and people want can i not wait to watch it i will find a link to watch that because that is going to be such an emotional moment this shows a lot of different things as well um and all look there's a lot of things we'll always be talking about but i think the cause the thing that's going to be on the freshest thing in our mind so because we've all said it we all have just finished watching the mandalorian season three um and all like said there's been mixed views shall we say and there's a little group there's the baby there's the baby so honest honest opinion now what did people think of season three of the mandalorian like that we got out seems as i literally just finished the last episode the other day the first thing i said was not the strongest but i still really enjoyed there was some really thoroughly good parts in it i loved the relationship between bokotan and mando i didn't realize this the j-wool i wanted but it's now the j-wool that i certainly most need and i thoroughly enjoyed the holding with mando and with the actual the planet i loved seeing all the other mandalorians and i really didn't give a shit that mafkadian was there like i'm like a bit over that but it wasn't terrible like i said it was that episode with the doctor though i'm so mad at that episode there was no payoff no yeah absolutely no pia is this Anthony if we just watched that for good knows how long now 45 minutes and if there's no payoff i'm going to be very upset i understood why that element was in there was to show that the like say there was still inflature it's not inflature it's i can't be whether now inflature in all the different areas of the rebel and still having their fingers and the pies and stuff like that but i liked that episode but the longer it went on the wrong like oh it's seen back to mando action yeah i thought it was going to be an interwoven thread throughout the season not one massive long yeah episode and then it was very compact to it they could have shortened that down and give us more for perton and mandal but i think that's the episode that's going to be a gear we had to sauga and and different aspects to lead into that but then it should have been at the end of the season not the beginning possibly yeah there was time and issues the time and issues maybe maybe just getting it ugly it was a good thing like yeah nothing is done but i in that sense a lot of people would have like forgotten it now it's like oh that that one kind of thing and like disregarded it but yeah but they would have done a better job chopping up and just yeah because that would have been a better thing of time passing although it was really cool with how um when they they had them walking around chorosant and then you had that scene where he was getting rescued and he's flying through chorosant and it's going past the same like bits where they were walking just like before i was that was kind of how that was in i was in absolute litity is when grogu got rescued in chorosant and what the fuck is the matter with you when it's fucking charge off yeah charge off and that bit when i was like is the actor please yeah the bit where grogus is chilling and left with the dead eyes like oh i'm just sorry i didn't get used to it with the young ones that's uh that was busy um what about your grand tour do you feel i mean since episode one of the mandalorian i was just like okay so it's a western um because i do think it follows like from a cinematic perspective it just follows the structure that we got with a lot of the western tv series and the western movies across the 60s and 70s and i'm not saying that as a slow by any stretch of the imagination because there's only so many different ways of telling the story out there and only so many different settings that you can do with and i think the concept of the the mandalorian order so to speak fit very very well into that structure um i've thoroughly enjoyed it i do think maybe it could have done without some of the callbacks in the early seasons you know what i mean that's one of the bits that i'm probably going to go off on a rant about is the constant need to kind of go oh and and and this person and this person and try and leave threads out with a sore retelling when the essence of star wars has always been jumped in time you know i mean all of the all of the original movies and it kind of got lost with the original trilogy of you know there's going to be a couple of months there's going to be a couple of years between the movies where you can kind of fill in the blanks a little bit i think they could have done away with some of that the chorus on episode um brings up something interesting because it was probably the most engaging episode that i found of the entire season i really really got sucked into that and i do think similarly what was said before it's going to be a gateway something else that's showing from what i've seen of and or a lot to do with the the day-to-day lives and the day-to-day struggles of people that are within the universe living under the different regimes and coming out from the other different regimes it's i think that's probably that episode is what's going to draw me into Andor where i'll probably sit and watch Andor and just being like oh it's just on that sleep um i do think though the the star like the producers are betting big on thorn as the next big and that's like huge you know that's where yeah yeah very much so but i think this is where the season is leading to and i love the little kind of like call or the little teaser of it type aspect i think that's as as i've said leading up to that's where the leading up to get to because and i see it as well if they're gonna be following on like keep it like with everything with the movies as well because with the end of like say that the last trilogy when all the college and i spoke a rear we did hear a circus voice so i mean she's not alive well that's what i said and last night and he went well she could have forced our way in there and i don't know that if anyone caught up with anything to do with Star Wars celebration Europe that happened a couple of weekends ago they announced that Lars Mikkelson is going to be playing general thorn which is pretty cool because he is the voice actor of him and i always think that's just a very lovely honor for voice acting to them then you do say a little shot of him in the trailer as well yes yeah and that has been a leaked photograph on twitter you can find it if you don't you like us sorry sorry mr smith and i'm pronouncing his name wrong i did say it earlier i would butcher it i can't say thrones name at all yeah i'm not happy with google they still can't see it so good well what did you think of the mandor season three so i agree with grand overall i mean star wars originally for george lakus was premised as a western samurai film it was heavily influenced by both genres and he he successfully merged them together and the mandolorean even from the music the merges there and it is apparent this season felt i i had a love hit relationship with this season i i completely forgotten that it had come out because i just barely saw any publicity for it and then when it came out i was like okay it's a few side quests but then there was some episodes where i was like oh okay so the chorosan episode with the rehabilitation of the ex-imperial um what would you call it members or ex-imperial stuff yeah bit disjointed because it was like okay so the set now okay so the set now okay you've done nothing with it right so but i'm much like laurin i'm probably betting that that's going to happen in future series or future spinoffs i feel at the moment this is the setup season for a amalgamation of all the spinoffs that are happening so we're going to have a soak of the mandolorean etc etc grandad will throw there is going to be a coming together whether it's going to be in a movie or whatever of all these series where they all and avengers formula if you will where everyone's going to come in and they're already going to timeline up on this also yeah so you've got grandad mall thron talks about um by the way one of the courts i always used to use for work was just like i did not see glory and results so i i loved that i loved grandad mall throning rebels i think he's if anyone has ever heard of it ever heard his theme that was played in rebels go and listen to it after this podcast because it is organ music uh choir orchestral it is oh my god it sounds grand yeah thron is called he's calculated he is in a game of chess he is 15 moves ahead of you his ship is so god done decked out with the the tribal patterns and he he takes whoever he defeats he takes a trinket so he's like he had bits of the mandoloreans bits of uh other planets you know that they've they've taken over our destroy um so he's a predator of the star wall universe he is the predator he is he's he's a true villain you know the very kind of traditional sense of abillany but he's also super clever and he's like a parappa like with with so many villains not just in star wars there's like disparate you know aspects but he's all of those aspects of what makes villain villain like all together he was so calculated in rebels and then obviously we got a teaser that in mandol season two with a sorco where he got let's go and have a throw soo's i heard that i was like yes because i love him in rebels but this season um yeah it the chorus on episode felt disjointed we got no payoff there was a few side quest episodes where i was like we don't need these here but overall the last two episodes brought it back for me i thought yes this is this is proper mandol for me though bokatan yes i like bokatan kitty sack off is always going to be star book for me i will always see star book in kitty sack off she's been you know she's been pinned to that character now she's like the leonid meanor you can never see leonid or is anything other than spock a lot of people who likes about style will probably see that and go yes she's good but she's sad what if it's if she gets her own series i think if she's with mandol throughout that's fine i think they play off well together then the last episode the one thing i mean i would say this is like a five out of ten season not as good as the first two but the one thing that really got me it's gonna sound so goddamn pedantic mando is sat in front of his house brogue is levitating a frog and for fuck sick who a disney thought do you know what will top this off what's that gary a lovely fishall pinall uh close oh yeah that really suits that i hear like this i really like it's very uh christmas special it was almost it almost felt like an end like i know john bradwell said there's no indefinite end to mandolorean because it's a flaw it didn't because it's so funny i didn't wait there's some very big fucking yeah and the mandolors are like okay oh i have good this probably sounded like the most weirdest thing to see it like if i love the first two seasons of mandolorean but that didn't feel like well the last episode of season two didn't feel like but that didn't feel like a star wars tv show it felt like completely new this season felt like star wars to me because we had space like the space pirates the space fights uh we had like the shootouts like not just like a western power where it's like spaghetti western this felt like true star wars that's why i got so much more invested in this season than i thought i would have and everyone said oh i hear it i was like i'm fucking loving this because when it went to the mando i got like was it returned to us vibes as well i was like just waiting for the wailers to come out um and and freak is out even more but because the first two seasons of the mandolorean it didn't feel like star wars it felt more like dune or felt like um like a spaghetti western i was expecting we nearly got it as well with the blue guy i can't remember him now he was the kind of eastward of obviously the the season yeah but he's been like that since he was first in the carton's almost yeah he's so good and cool and so good and cool and so good this to me and all we got the the pizza the hood spice uh like spears pirate bad guy from space balls today as well um but i just thought it just felt like star wars i felt like i was watching return of the jedi again and i kind of quite like that aspects but the thing that's kind of not getting me like because i wish they would explain it more was like the time jumps because you're not really telling you how long things are going to be or or what's the age we're at to compare like return of the jedi or um just sort of links up a little bit better for me hmm yeah i know i know it's people but it would be nice if they'd give like even if it's at the start of the season just like the year it currently is yeah oh that still would be lost like you could tell us where we're right now so we'll be like okay i have got my little napex but i didn't i didn't hate it it's just there's just some bits that just didn't like you know link up and it's just yeah because they could have said like what you just said they're like they could say a bit of exposition like when he goes back to the face oh man though it's been four years right okay we know what's been four years you know we don't have to like stay this is this is the year this is just just say oh man it's been four years and we accept me yeah we accept the ukulele in the films so i find it weird when there's like almost where there's not one like oh where is it you know where my little flute yellow sex because last time got shot up by makes a stormtroopers and yeah and what's he called gossom britain bad um but basically then when he's come back it's got this modernized city that's what i've taken years and years to cultivate and build and get to the level that is and it's like up here and i think that's also where it had been two years right yeah i think i think dafeloni said like between the events of bulbeth that like between the events of skywalker training grogo two years had we shouldn't mean that it should be in the go to explain because if you don't you know if you don't seem bb affair and you go watch mandala and it's just like wait that's that's what that was the issue in that hard because we dad's not one of those people who watches everything because this is the marble effect that's like an image everything now you've got to watch all the content to know what's happening so you watch the first episode of the mandara and you went why the fuck is the little shit back with them i was like i was like no i was like that's probably why i think because but again i like the fact i could have gone back but i could have done with the season with them not being back as well just um free time art every time i see them just because i ended like sean season two was just one of the best endings and tv shows and i'll admit i cried like a bitch like big big big big tears like i can't get me breath back i lost my shit like when you've seen sort of x-wing and just like that so it was like i was like four years old again watching return of the dead over the first time i was just like i was like a child but that's seeing having loose skywalker impersonate vader from rogue one was brilliant it was out so what a way it was to bring it back yeah but that's why you realize why so like people are for you so that was the big thing when the saw the went to jedi's comment not just like the bad guys were scared like all the heroes like shit we don't know what i said jedi's comment and it was like and i think they were like say before because there was spoilers and everything came out but before i see we found out who it was like i loved the speculation people were saying oh it's this guy it's that guy it's like jackson when i went to come back from the dead and when you saw the x-wing like literally i'm getting goosebumps now just like i was just thinking about something and i was kind of saying to yourself we haven't got the balls to do this other yeah i mean i haven't got it then you saw the clock and you're like no they're gonna pull up they're gonna be a slogan instead of doing a click switch and then you saw the lights in when you saw the color of the lights in and that's when i just break the fuck out and was just like like like nerding out like i've never nerded out to me like i was like this was absolutely amazing and i don't know like i said i gave it a lot of shit like sin about the cgi towards it but i couldn't give one little bit of a fuck you just accept you just accept you know one couple's hate yeah and also if you can do a better job you know exactly with skywalker the the things that skywalker were really interesting even before the false away it came up because obviously they're like who's a big bad who's a big bad and said oh well my couple's coming in and so he never thought skywalker in the sequel trilogy would be the big bad because if you look at the holy trilogy as it's affectionately known skywalker starts off in white outfits he goes into like a dark white gray outfit and ends up in return to the Jedi in a black outfit signaling the transition from the light side of the force to the dark side of the force that would really pull on see in the way that he did look back as well yeah so they said well naturally or is it snork yeah um they said well that's an amalgamation of skywalker skywalker is finally embraced the dark side and stuff like that and i always thought that would have been interesting to see that you know to see this this hero of the original trilogy turn to the dark side and fulfill his destiny what's being interesting but to the payoff in in the end of season two like like you guys have said like he is terrifying because let's not forget by this point in mandalorian this been 30 so it's 30 years since the fall of the jedi and then it was like no one had seen that obviously the rebellion had won but again the jedi were only hurting like really hushed tones and stuff like that there was not many jedi so yeah they would be terrified to be like oh my god yeah and then to see this just likes it just absolutely gone and not slightly like who the fuck is this and i love the fact as a viewer we finally got to see what luke could do because if you think about it all that we saw of luke was what we see in return of the jedi and it's something but it's not like holy shit like he is a jedi and master we got to see full-on luke skywalker and the reason people are scared of him and it was such a Mormon that false chalk man on that troupe it was just it's something they could never replicate what they did there and i think that's where mandal season three kind of falls down because they're trying to like click it a little bit we're doing mandal 2.5 which was the booger boober to try and build up because it was never going to outdo what it did it did in that type of exit there was like the only type they could think they could do to bring us bring back to surprise if they brought jar jar bings as a synth lord to come down and take down the order being the real bad guy that would have like said thought we thought we'd want to spanner in the works type thing um that would have been so cool i'd be honest we are that's why i think again where they kind of pate themselves in the corner they didn't know how they want to outdo it so instead of trying to outdo it they're just trying to say right we're gonna build a different story and i think that's where thorns want to come in but this was the season that nearly broke star was like like behind the scenes as well because this was the one that uh for loni and ticholds um gone fabro nearly walked out on and he's like said that's where the hell hasn't been happening because um people are like say uh behind the scenes and disney and luchus are trying to get too involved with what they're doing and he needed said right fuck it after this i'm gone i think they've managed to close now with her now yeah yeah because he doesn't need them like at the end they do jump forever don't need star was like he can do on his own what he needs to they need him more than he needs them yeah i agree because if you think about it for fabro and as well as for loni they are huge star was then this is a passion project yeah they can take it or leave it if they can do it at all they're like half sealers right sorry sorry yeah they don't even but there's any need them and i think it's now in the hands of baloney and fabro i don't think anyone else is going to be a passionate for a long time sorry she's not very much but she's not very much but she's not very like she's not very like she's not very much but she's not very much but she's not very much but she's not i think with cathleen kennedy there's there's been because obviously it was a sequel trilogy she held the sequel trilogy yes she's she's been with luchus uh since indiana jauns even before indiana jauns yes but it was more she still didn't have the experience of of heading up a studio yes she had always beaten there but she was never given the responsibility for aya to run a studio all and to stay you to do that and they just gave her the keys yeah and you know a lot of people would argue she essentially took the case the star was and ran it into the ground with the sequel trilogy and he was fabro and for loni that sort of picked it up and then went well we'll see it and let's be honest like after when did the mandolary came out in 2019 he was the last year that no 2020 it came out in lockdown didn't it in the uk but it was in uh it was in american lit yeah can't we get out first doesn't it because oh yeah can we watch it on a dodge up north sorry oh yeah that's right we didn't have disney plus that's a huge thing so if you think right in that time period you had the last jedi which had come out which was you know it was planned by a lot of people because they're like what the what was that so you had that you had had rising the sky walkers or you had the mandolary and a lot of hope on the mandolary was like this is going to be shitty the way that's not what you remember that yeah this has got to be shit and a lot of it was directed to cathleen kennedy because she was like well you need to do this you need to get it and she was getting too involved like disney we're doing with favro and filoni that we're getting too involved instead of just letting the people who know the source material and who know how to drive the car do it they're like what you need to introduce this you need to do this you need to do it but how does it work it doesn't matter how it works just do it do this do this do this and i think that's why a lot of hate for cathleen kennedy comes from where it's like it's got nothing to do with gendot i'm nothing to do with anything like that it's just the handling of it has not been done yeah like when she comes out public and says the thing she says as well doesn't really help about herself because like say i know that companies do have PR systems and i'll be the one first one to say please use it that's thing because it's kind of like the way she comes across as well and again i'm not passionate but i am a bit uh it's kind of like this is my toy it's like if she was doing football and what he wasn't going to think this is my ball i'm taking it you can't play with it if i'm not happy and that that's the way she kind of comes across and again i know it's a big thing to hold onto and like say it'd be hard to like go like i know about these things and like to like if you get like a handle on things it's very hard to let someone else play with the type of things but it's about understanding if someone can make a success do better than what you're doing learn from them or build from them don't just try and take over from them as well that that's always been my little bit of a great weather there was there was an issue a couple of years ago there was talks there was rumblings there's always this in Hollywood that Kathleen Kennedy was going to get let go because let's be honest Disney at the moment it's an absolute shit show it is completely running all over the place the CEOs have gone left right and sent a blah blah blah there was there was mumbling a couple of years ago that Kathleen Kennedy was going to get let go from the start she was going to be replaced because the trajectory that Star Wars was going was not going the way that Disney wanted it last year being panned yada yada yada what she had done quite cleverly you know for a credit credit cleverly she had talked to social media and announced that Disney and Lucas Ants were working on a female centric Star Wars series and it was going to focus on you know these these female centric rebels that were doing this and doing these operations i think it was rorg squadron or something similar to rorg squadron potentially yeah but she did that without authorizing it from john Favreau or difffall or only disney executive anything like that she just went yeah we're doing it and it put disney in a really tricky position because if you imagine if you're a really big media company like disney and say yeah that female centric thing that yeah yeah it's cancelled because we're not going to do it because of the second Kathleen Kennedy it would look really bad for disney she's very clever quite cleverly she went oh you're going to get rid of me are you or high twister look at this shit that we're making and it was just and i've got to give a props to like when you think of threatens to pull a flanker like that yeah that's what i was pretty bored with i have all of the forces of disney's dolls i got lea i got part of me i got um you know so i got rea the only one i don't have is a soaker because she's very expensive and yeah i have all the fun so she made them some money in there in action figures books the books as well the younger readers these are the short series as well yeah yeah i'm interested in knowing because there's a lot of different versions of star wars now like so you've got the books you've got the comics you've got the tv shows you've got the christmas special you've got the ewoks cartoon um you've got like so what is your favorite star wars like interpretation of it again like any like a tv show even an episode or even a film i'm gonna be very different but you want one which is your favorite i'll go to sammy first let's just look down like she's reading no i'm thinking i'm thinking um i'm so sorry got another little stare in a face like so it's my normal look um oh my god oh god this is so difficult um okay so i i i said it on the last one now say again i'll stand by it i'll down the hill first um rogue one is my favorite star wars one of all time of all time i for all that yes the original trilogy is phenomenal i don't know what roles me to it i still even a question the back then i questioned it still today i don't get it but this has a lot of heart in it as well i like i recently really watched this where you can unfully in the green today's my favorite star wars film now yeah i thought i'd never say it but i absolutely adore like the shots the like say the sounds and you know how could you fall in love with the characters and you know what's gonna happen to the characters but you still don't want it to happen and it's just perfect i do remember you agreeing with this like you weren't oh sorry you weren't it wasn't your favorite but you didn't disagree with this on the the first one um it's just it's so special this sounds the cinematography it helped white um meldalton's suit looks but that's really really white really like but he reminds me so much of the bigger figures that it has in that uniform and it just like it took me so back to being a child i was like oh my god look at him i used to have used to play with him yeah and not that way guys not that she has to do her and smile at the four mists so yeah innocence and but yeah robo one is probably my i don't know if that's a controversial thing to say given that i grew up with the original trilogy and yes i love the ewoks movie it's one of the first ones i've watched with my granddad so i love and teddy bears what was the one one that's gonna be an end or something like that wasn't it oh i don't know i don't know i don't know i'm just going to do a martisha that i'm wearing i've got the end or some a camp i don't know the college was bob at your grunt um sammy's massively preempted my fucking answer i'm sorry from a modern perspective i absolutely adored robo one i adore mad smetas and actor and it's you know sammy's saying that she can't go i put a finger on it to me it's the scene where you've got um he his name's completely gone out of me head no soul oh selgarara agorara for us wick that was the name i was trying to um get when she's watching mad Sam hologram and it's the the whole my stardust bit it just tells me i shouldn't be getting teary your fucking star world's film got off no you're crying and i back that up again and again and again with wonderful emotional cords throughout um obviously you guys were fanboy and fan girl and out of a luke sky water appearing in the mandalorian i fucking hated that bit and likewise i hate the ending robo one i think it's absolutely terrible because it should have stopped when the spring goes white uh the explosion all the wellness of it didn't need that bit at the end for me and i it sucked a lot of the emotion back out of it um was it just too much fan service for you like it's not even the case of necessarily fan service i think it spoiled the entire theme of the film because it was hitting so many emotional cords it was opposed to relying on its special effects and cgi which obviously that is an abundance um you know you've got the the shattered relationship between jin and manta michaelson's character father i fucking forgot what his name is um gay nasa you know wonderful um you know you've got that whole hope in the face of adversity thing going on with all of them where every single shot you know i'm gonna die i know i'm gonna die but i'm gonna keep going because it's a great i good there was all of that spinning all the way through on so many emotional levels that it just kind of went and the emotions gone and here's a little bit for the fans okay now we on the end of the world movies we discussed Greenland it's that same bit where greek and lunch should have ended when the fucking explosion happens and you see the rubble coming down and back to the minute um do you think or do you think or do you think or just just put a spin on that because obviously rogue one is a is a direct prequel to a new hall do you think it's an ending where it ended it ends with the block runner walking out in the hype space with the destroyer going after it then ended because if you think that is a that is a seamless then transition between the end of rogue one to a new hope but do you need the seamless transition because there's always those jumps forward in time you know does that well this is not going to be the end of it it's a real one is an immediate prequel or isn't it there's no jumping time it's literally rogue one ends within an hour of a new hope uh starting to have that that would have been the visual length at least would have been quite neat but there's a lot of stuff here that seems sorry that we're still going to get somewhere far enough out to be out of an appeal space and all that kind of thing they're going to get the where Tatooine is because we don't know where this planet is in relation to Tatooine so maybe you do have like a I'm going to hide out near this planet for a little bit and orbit it all here comes the destroyer we're going to jump into hyperspace and go somewhere else and just hang there yeah you know leave that impression of um leapfrogging it a little bit but just quickly because stamy it but we preempted it's on both why my earlier star wars memories it's those fucking ewoks films and then ewoks um cartoon that ewoks um yeah the weirdest fucking shit but you still loved it and I had watched them and they went up on Disney Club so we just like ahhhhh I can't quite bring myself to do it and it's only because I like the core memory I have of watching them is with my grandad and I'm like I don't want I don't want to sully that that memory so let's just leave it we'll leave it in the memory band gig and just stay there and help I will be fine with that but I wonder about the end of the row one I think that's gonna be the one that's little of fans because like personally I didn't mind mind it I thought like see I said it was very much fan service for me and I love to see and be able to show him his badass because we're seeing bits of them but we've never seen them in full floor like seen them in row one and seen them in all be one season was just breathtaking to see why the why not just the world but the galaxy was terrified of this this man and like everything like represented um because you kind of got elements like in the movies why always important always it's got a breathing problem so that could be a little bit off-putting um in a bit of chorgan which can depend if you're some of you might be drawn right but still uh don't be can't shame in on here thanks friend so what about your good will what about what would you say your favorite I'm gonna be really cheeky and i'm gonna say i've got three favorites right no yes yes good well it's greedy ladies take note because i'm yeah please there's um i'm again we have had some okay uh truscious star wars games damn yes however we've had some absolute deltas we've found that the pod racer game on the 64 is still the best r-waff up game ever yeah he talks game pass if anyone wants that for free at the moment oh i think i'm posted it in here uh so in terms of games it's quite a recent one it's uh jedi fallen order yeah i love that it's uncharted and mass effect in the star wars universe so it's not even drink well ginger if you want ginger if you want ginger ginger ginger ginger ginger ginger ginger ginger drink and it's currently playing the new one as we speak that is yeah that for me is what when electronic arts got the license that is what they should have fucking started with not some god that multiplayer pay it away and think it should have been for films taken if you subtract the whole etraly g uh role one because it was such a change for star wars and it was a breath of fresh air for a star wars film to have that to be more somber for tv show though and jayton the chinese know thing it's it's andor but it's not but it's not for the reasons that you think it is not really no what to think good well because i don't i watched a couple of episodes of it and i just i wasn't getting what you know you and jay were giving us okay so yes i would say that that sees this split up into arks like three arcs or four arcs okay which is fine the reason why i appreciate andor so so much is andor is set at the uh midway through the the empire okay now a new hope was 77 visual styles hairstyles aesthetics everything was very 70s the yellow stained plastic you had the sideburns most stages everything like that andor knows that this is when it is set yes this is what it looked like in the 70s instead of retconning it like uh star trekkers donor any other show would you know as retconning it they have gone none or if we've got these imperial workers or workers or anything like that they have to look like they look to the 70s they've got 70s hair cut mustaches sideburns the lot the music is 70 lit 70s synth which you saw on target for it and the aesthetics are so god damn perfect like whoever whoever was the director of photography for that knows that this is set at a specific time just before a new hope just before rogue one or five years before rogue one so the aesthetic has to remain the same because let's not forget this is a galaxy far far away this is not like it's actually texturing as well because jakes just popped up in the chat so jake i'm gonna talk with an anvil now it's been there a little hi jake to the bean here you can yes it's a polarizing series and i don't really want to get into that yet or you don't want to talk about that it's more for me it's the appreciation from somebody who worked in tv and film it's the appreciation that someone not only knows the source material but faithfully faithfully recreate it to a degree where they're like you have to grow sideburns that milk that milk has to be faggish nicotine stained plastic white yeah that has to be a CRT that button has to do that and it's like yes i've got cdi but it's so beautifully come to beautifully come together it's beautifully made and for me that is that it just comes across that whoever the team that made this they love star wars and they love to get it right so for me just for that taking away the story that is why i love and all so much not as i think i think the reason why i couldn't get into it and again it's not saying it was bad or not saying that like it probably wasn't for me is we got some of the we got the main character in rogue one and i was expecting rogue one like a like a kind of like fail and this was so far away from rogue one that i couldn't get invested because you kind of you know when you kind of watch and swing and right right you're wrong me i was like i wanted to be like this so much it took me out with i was hurting and all of me jokes it did feel like an episode of the bill at times but again that's not a bad thing that's not a bad thing like i say it was very British like cop show from the semis as i said but that's the thing star wars at a time was filmed in like the ukia in the semis so it would have had that fail and and and that type of vibe so i kind of get that but um i will do it because i'll do it because i'll just what we are not saying it's just it's it's got a it's got a payoff to an extent and it's like i said it's like everything's divided into three episode arcs and a lot of people tail off towards the third episode because like yeah it's not for me and it's like stick with it yeah definitely it does have a payoff but it's it's it's also very rogue one like as in it's like it's like it's a pretty tragic in a certain way where it's like yeah it's got payoffs but not payoffs that you want yeah well it's a you need yeah pay off you need and it's like there are reasons why i personally it does this there's a reason why personally yeah and it's like yeah i get but it's just like i said it's a breath of fresher from like grand said mandala is formulaic it doesn't mean it's bad but this was a breath of fresher this was like i compared a lot to the expanse because the expanse is a sci-fi show and i was like oh it's another sci-fi show but it's like yes but it does things differently and because it's different people appreciate it for unique qualities and that's why i appreciate and all of the teachers i really love that answer and i was really i must admit i probably was just riding on yours and jakes tree at the time and i was like yeah i'm gonna get into this oh i don't quite get it oh i don't know but some of you would always get into don't worry i'm not feeling anything like jesus paul i was like i was jake like and star wars and i can't get into this i had to say it so i had to say it what he was thinking that so was fine what did he say i didn't hear it he said it's too accurate when he said i didn't get it i was like didn't worry something no did you feel the force did you feel it oh god it's every time most joke me daddy oh my god yeah that's what i want to hear i look just to quick side like the mean that came out of a new hall where it's like yes i was isn't at the time where we boss uh uh chokes someone out doing his stuff meeting and i'm like yeah he kind of every time someone uh someone disappointed in him so you never had a disappointment what about your laurin um you've come to win a maintenance risk sorry yeah he's casually snacking whatever what what i've played with dorrios amazing but if you don't like the which one is okay the wapa flame the claiming wapa dorrios i don't need to deal the arm very tsc anyway so if the reader's wants to sponsor this podcast then you'll polish yeah hey i did buy them myself i'm not being paid unfortunately but yeah i agree with the broke one love it is my favorite star wars film um i love chirrup and bass i love i love what i love and or as well like it's not like it's my favorite show but i love what it brings in its freshness and its meanest i love i really love the crushing and air ability of rho1 i love how even though you know you're gonna die you're still really invested in them and maybe one will get away maybe somebody's gonna get away and yeah oh the bit where they close the gate and nobody's getting off our planet it's just like off our hook but i love heroes yeah but i love rho1 but more stuff about androids i love seeing star wars about real people like as much as i love luke and layering hanand i love like seeing just your normal person who won't necessarily be able to get out onto the empire's thumb you know i i love you know not because not everybody's a jedi not everybody's a smuggler not everybody can get a ship but yeah easily and i love seeing scruffy nerf herder yeah i love seeing like the more like the the rawness the realness the kind of brodery in a weird way like i love like it's almost in andor there's almost space where almost goes like lemise and you know they're gonna be like singing do you hear the people saying oh my god like a resolution song there is literally there is literally a scene where it's just like it's gonna kick off it's gonna kick off like you know they're gonna throw hands it's and you know my favourite droid is in andor as well i can't remember the name of the red one you know the little ones yeah i love him yeah it's like a little dog it's like a little dog it's like you um another one from is that not cations um not cation no just cations mom um what what droid does cate does have oh you're in andor the arcing rule you're not okay i'm okay yeah i'm okay okay so you're okay no there's um there's um Nobody's hate forgetting the- No, no, let's find the- Yeah, it's a mean- Oh, he's so cute!

The casting, and Andor, it's great as well. There's the bit where, um, Sky's Guide, I always forget, people would say Sky's Guide, but Sky's Guide. There's this bit where he's in his shuttle, getting back in character. And there's just something, somebody who's got a background in acting, there's just something about that bit where he's just getting back into his rich dude on Coruscant's role.

It's just amazing, he's just really, really good. It's almost- Yeah, it's almost by taller the way he does it. Yeah, it's terrifying, but it's fascinating to watch. And he's quite ruthless as well, like he's prepared to like- like the legs to try to go to for this growing rebellion is to us.

It's a very slow season. It sort of possibly being shorter, but I do understand, I agree with what you were saying about the three episodes arc, kind of thing, so it does, to an extent, why is as long as it is. Yeah. But yeah, it's a slow, it's a slow burn, but not in a bad way if you like stick it and get the payoff.

No, definitely. I'm going to give it another try. I really am. I won't give up on it, I'm a completionist, so I'll have to make the experience at all.

There is a, I think the reason why a lot of people look at it, there is a payoff where it's so, I can't even spoil it because I can't talk about it. I can't talk about it because you guys haven't watched it, but I know when me and Jake talked about it and I'll- Well, I'm to the dark side, here, but there's a formula. I'll just turn it off. Yeah, it does have satisfying payoffs and satisfying payoffs as well, but it's for a reason.

Yeah. It's like, the unsatisfying payoffs are that they're plot, it's not like plot hole, it's plot-driven unsatisfying, you're kind of like mad at these things happen, it's not because they do up to the script, it's because they did this deliberately. It's very, everything in it's very deliberate, very measured. It's taking, it's taking Andor where he has to be, to be the Andor in Rogue One.

So even though you know what's going to happen to this character, but it's not going to be great in this journey. And that's the, that's the fascinating point. I absolutely not hated but had a bit of a low with the Cassie and Andor when I first met him, I wanted to put me fifth through his face. I thought you smug awful, nasty.

Oh wait a minute, hold on actually you're all right. Sorry. Sorry. We just think, we've just been so that with Picard Season 3 with Shaw, some of the type of thing where- God you.

Yeah, first episode of me saw you are the biggest bellend in the world by the dick, what he's writing. Yes. By the end you're like, oh I love this character, give me more, please. It's really interesting to see where he's like comes from, where he goes and it's really cool to see how he kind of gets to that smug asshole in Rogue One.

It's not even small, he's just an asshole. Yeah. It's like, there's just something about him. But you know what, Tango, you know why he's an asshole.

Yeah. Well, we'll watch out from him. With mine, it is a little bit negative. Because when I was a kid, so when I was a kid, I loved Jedi just because it had like, like, it was me first, it probably was an induction back and remember watching Star Wars, but a lot of them like, say that he walks and he got the fight between Luke and Vader and I loved the whole job of the hood scene as well.

And the Salak pitch without the weird CGI that they added later on, like the original Salak pitch that used to terrify as well as a kid and it's being digested for a thousand years, even though it's just incomprehensible, but the whole idea just sounds violently horrible. I'm like, look, Gamorian, but it'll have, oh, I thought it was a bad photo. But that was probably me, a childhood favorite. But when I got like, as an adult, I experienced the darkness and like, how amazing Empire was, like that movie to me, even though it's not a complete movie, it's basically just like a placeholder between episode one and three.

It's not really a complete movie because you don't really get an ending, it's just continuing the story. It is one of the most perfect movies I have ever seen like, surprise wise, but now after we rewatching things like Rogue One, like has all the elements, it has the heart, it has the humor, it has everything that I wanted and like, see, it's just got the breathtaking shots and it's the first, because I know we see the deaths are taken out like planets and stuff previously, but this is how you see how violent it can be, how pinpoint it can be, how destructive like in small doses. So when you say no, do you want to destroy the planet, nor does you destroy the city? And seeing that coming towards like a tidal wave was just utterly amazing.

And it did have me favorite droid, like Kia, is it Kia one or Kia two? Kia two or something. I don't know anything I'll just watch. And just he's like absolute, just staying for the main characters and how he's been re-programmed and doesn't want to do it, but he's just like, but then he has his little hero moment as well.

I love throughout Rogue One, because you know how it's going to end, all going to die, but how each of them die in the own unique way as well, that again was very cleverly done. Like the pilot in the ship with the ship blown up and his bit little like, story way started off as like, see a part of the Federation just like went against and joins the rebellion. And even then in the ship Rogue One, like the panic and like, and how that came about with Sorghannik and just lovely. But I recently watched a couple of them this week, just to refresh, like I watched Empire and I didn't realize how much on Yordo is a little dick.

So that, because he is a complete asshole in Empire with Luke when he meets him for the first time. It's safe here. Yeah, but he is at the end of the day and returning to Jedi. He's, he won't, he'll do anything to avoid talking about the fact that Luke already knows who his dad is and he'll do anything to avoid talking about it to the point where he just dies.

Like, that's a good point too. Like, anything useful. Yeah, exactly. He had such an opportunity to be like, lay it out for him, give him some, you know, so there's no conflict.

So there's no, you know, he's got something to work with, but no, he had to run around circles and then die on him. Which I can watch in Back to Star Wars films. I do think Yordo is the true bad guy in all of the Star Wars because he's got a natural problem. He won't just be nice and he could have trained Anakin, give permission to, like, rather than like having to fight the way into it, he could have, like, they gave him, got on his good side, but no, he had to be a bell and then, and then he was a bell and to Luke and pushing Luke away.

So it was all Yordo's fault in the end, WLF. Everyone's doing a charge up and it's all Yordo. I agree. He's got a real small man syndrome.

Yes. Very. If he had left Anakin become a master, I may have changed his opinion on the whole council to start with, it would have been all conflict there. And also, if he'd go into Clone Wars, if he didn't send us over away, maybe Anakin might have had a different again opinion of the council all down to Yordo.

Yeah. So Yordo is the dick. So yeah. So again, like, we're pretty much, I know the answer, well, I'll say if you had the choice as well, which side of the force would you join?

Like join the force and then so. Would you go to the first, because he started up like all excited about that. I'm going to use force. So which side would you come across to say?

Oh my. Which side would I be of the force? Yes. Which would be on the dark side.

Would you be tempted or? I'd be tempted. Because I've got near from the mobile. And you're quite an emotional guy as well.

Next year. I don't like emotion. Jedi's also apparently don't deal enough solutes yet Skywalker says to go over group either one of the other pets. So I'm quite emotional.

I think that's you the day because I'm a galaxy's edge. I'm sure I'm building my whole life. I'm like, what crystal should I go for? Because obviously every crystal means like every color means a different thing.

And it's like, do you want to go blue, green stuff? I'm like, I wanted to go green. I'm like, no, I'm all blue. Can I like murder a class of kids?

Do you want to do something like Jackson Dingle Purple? Yeah. I don't think I want to talk around that. I don't think I can pull that off.

Do you know that coming in if you know it's like, oh, it goes to be purple. But it's. I can't believe you preempt in that. Of course.

Yeah. But it's double edged as well. But anyway, it's more ripped to your eyes. Oh, yeah.

Well, this one I've tried. Yeah. This is Lauren's going to experience this in real life now. Sorry, Lauren.

Because I can't know. I'm quite bad. Getting back to Star Wars. I'm quite, yeah, I'm quite emotional.

So happy as shit, Jedi. Because my emotions, when I'm provoked, my emotions do take over. So yeah, I'd be tempted by the dark side, I think. Lauren?

Oh, well, I'm going to have a real copper answer here. And so I'd probably be a Grey Jedi. Right. So they have the three balance.

Yeah. It's not so much movie kind and so much as like extended extended A, you can't, but there are like Jedi who have like calm balance. So then like the light on the dark. So there is like a great, great, like code, which I have written down somewhere because I had been playing a TTR PDR Star Wars and my character was leaning more towards Grey Jedi.

Oh, great. But it is literally, there is more balance to the kind of accept that, you know, there has to be some degree of emotion. Shit happens. Yeah, shit happens.

And you know, and making mistakes and learning from mistakes, growing, etc. is how you find like power and strength. And that's where like knowledge and experience comes from. So it's not like it's like owning the emotion and channeling it to the right to like do the right kind of things.

Yeah. It's kind of like, it's kind of like a great power comes very responsibility sort of ethos. So you're a Spiderman. In a world of Jedi.

It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Yeah.

Anything, anything, anything, anything. Be Spiderman. Yes. Yeah.

Love it. So yeah, I'd be a knight the balance because I don't think picking one who likes like all the dark side is particularly feasible even met alone. The smart thing to do. Well, Mr.

Fert said a comment there, I'll say Jedi, it's a first by doctrine because reasons. Yeah, basically, I'll let you think like fly a little bit. Yeah. What about you, Grant?

Do we have to ask this question? Absolutely not. Lawrence mentioned the court there and when you asked this, I'd actually add something on social media and was like, Oh, which one am I as if that wasn't obvious? So the set one said pieces of lie, there was only passion through passion against strength, through strength, again power, through power, again victory, through victory.

My chains are broken, the force shall free me. It was like, yeah, that sounds a bit like me. Oh, the metal. The gray one was there is no like without the dark, through passion, again focus, through knowledge, again power, through serenity, again strength, through victory, again harmony, there is only the force.

I think I'd probably sit a little bit between two. I'd probably be running around with a pink lightsaber, like a rainbow one, you know what I mean? I've mentioned before, I'm an absolute sensory head andist. I'm always pushing for the most extreme imagery, the most extreme literature, the most extreme music, not necessarily from the air metal heaviness of extreme music, but just going out to the fringes of experimentation and what have you.

So it wouldn't so much be a temptation as the dark side. I think maybe gray in the streets and sipping the sheets. You should get lightsaber. It's like one of those talks that we had with kids.

We could like flip the switch in a different color on the torch. Just like, you know how the one who was going to neckless with the crystal long, maybe just like a few different things. It's like which one I'm playing with today. So Chris, what?

They said in the discolle of the day, I should have a frosted tip to kind of a crystal, so it's all blue, it's a little bit of white at the top. That's so cool, because this all goes there, kind of because it's all white. Yeah. What about you, Sammy?

Oh, good God. Okay, so I'm full on saying, like I am the most fucking angriest person ever. If you go and listen to this first episode, you'll hear how angry I am, angry person. I get angry when I'm hungry.

Oh, yes, we're the ex-ferenging son. I'm the only one who can't get the fucking burger yet. So I'm just going to tell you a little bit. I don't care.

I want the fucking burger. I'm going to tell you a little bit. It's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. I am the absolute worst.

Probably good will. I have to come and get food with me at Nodefest, because I was the person. Oh, what happened to him? It's just a burger.

I know. I mean, we were sitting there trying to just have a half. That wasn't either of them guys. He had a burger.

It was genuine. We were trying to justify going for dinner early, because it was like 11 o'clock and it just went, it's a levency. It was like, let's go. Yeah.

I'm definitely safe because of the angry. I can get it. It'd be fine if you would be fucking poverty. I would.

I'm on the lines of like, Ventress, because she's got Ventresses very much. I love her so much. For all she is, she's bad ass with the car. She's still got a bit of a heart.

She was very heartbroken when her master betrayed her and cast her aside. So she does have some form of feelings, but she still wields two fucking lights over the top of the like, oh my god. Yeah, I'm sick. Sounds like a massive euphemism for a submissive.

I'm just like, oh, I'm poor master. Nice goble ended curve one. Wow. It's talking Star Wars, you love.

Come on. We've heard there's been a lot of porn parodies out there, so yes. Oh, I've got them. That doesn't surprise me.

The Star Wars porn parody was the first porn film of Breaking Million Time budget when it was made. Is this the reason you chose this podcast? You just heard Star Wars. I'm like, I'm not bad.

I mean, it's not the only one, but a double ended leg of dildoer. You know, you wouldn't not watch it. But don't forget Zack and Nary Star Wars. Yes.

Ah, yeah, that's true. Yeah. Oh, Lee, you are so lovely. Lee's only, I'm lovely.

I don't think I could be truly evil. So you went just hungry, guys. That's all I'm saying. You can see us.

It's only con you wait. Yeah. To be fair, the lion probably is the softest out there. No, I've probably come across as the meanest, but I'm probably the biggest stuff there out there.

A lot of them. So I probably will be the only Jedi. So. But to be fair, I'll probably be as a pro.

I agree with that one. Yes. So I know, as we talked about at the start, when we come back to see the toxicity within Fandoms and when it read its first ugly head, was the originals. Prigal won the first game out.

Like the amount of hate and anger that, like this was pre-entenate as well. So people had to write on to magazines and articles and basically they're disgusting. Like then dial up more dems that used to come out. So you have to the other here, get a little bit of load up before people could actually slag off the movie.

Again, I know I've in the past I've jorped and slagged off the originals. I know there's one or two that I still don't care for, but I think the Phantom Menace does get a lot of hate that doesn't deserve. I think it is one of the strongest of the three original three, but it still is one of the stronger ones, when it comes to the more newer ones as well. Yeah, it's probably my second favourite film.

I absolutely adore Phantom Menace. I think I've probably said this a million times, and it's not just the Jar Jar Binks, because even watching Jar Jar in Phantom Menace is very disorienting. Because especially when you watch him in 4K Italian, and you're like, he's not really there, but he is really there. And I have such a huge massive appreciation for Phantom Menace.

Yeah. I think attitude to have slag is often though. I don't know whether it's because a new generation or two have watched it and been like, yes, it's all right. It's because the new ones, people just went, actually, the three people are not that bad.

They'll stop shitting on them. Yeah, I think it's definitely less than a comma. It's always a hit. It's always a hit.

It's how like, found actually fit their dents like that. They have some ropey bits, and the whole pan-meant Anakin thing is never not going to be. Oh, it's just sore. Funny little boys.

It's like, but they get it's all right in Clone Wars. Yeah. Anakin's now walk it in Clone Wars. I love those two in Clone Wars.

Oh, they are fantastic. And Anakin is a character is sore. There's a reason why people love them in Clone Wars is because of how it's just so brilliant, but even she is brilliant. I love that.

I mean, like she's one of my favorite characters, but it's only because of Clone Wars. It's got nothing to do with the actual prequel movies. I know Lauren was coming up with a good point before we were live. I actually say, please don't talk anymore.

Content, if you're anything, you're a show of content, it's because we want to keep it. Yes, because you're talking about the comics as well, because I said being the resident comic book nerd officially, are you always here? You're telling us the story about the prequel comics that came out before the prequels? Oh, no, for the original movies.

So when, in the back in the 70s, when the comics first came out, the artists were working on them, only had the production, the art concepts to work on. They didn't have the finished film or anything to go off. So it's actually like the original, the original comics. Every looks like different, like, true back, it doesn't look.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the original films, because the comics came out like blanking now, whether they came out like literally before the film said, or they came out and lived for the same time, but against this back in the 70s. So it wasn't like emails that could fire off and like set proper stock road to something. It was a concept art that they were mainly working on. So I thought it was green on that first comic cover.

I remember the comic cover coming out, like, since the black cover with like, the big circle and all the characters on and all, because I've seen a few like, Facebook groups selling that comic as well. I was like, people selling Star Wars comics for that much, fuck. Yeah, those things were worth a pretty penny. Yes, but I remember, as I said, with the other movies, I can like especially the new, new withery, the, like, I said it did a comic run as well.

That was quite successful. The comics always do quite well with it. Like, I said, the Star Wars franchise, but one back to like, the Phantom Menace, like the only big issue I've got with that movie, and I'll never get over it is the mini-corrion thing, when that was the thing that, and all again, that's probably my gearkeeper aspect. I just can't get over that.

They try to like rationalize the spiritual thing and to, or it's in the DNA and it can be manipulated, or that's what they're trying to do in the Mandalorian. And like, every time it is brought up and mentioned, it's still a sense of shut it, I was fine. But I still think it holds up like, looks wise again, the original prequels, I still can't get over how polished and shiny all the spaceships are and how like, more modern to the way we look at like, the Millennium Falcon or an X-Wing, it's all square in Jaggerty. It's like, how did you get from that to looking like you built something out of Red Dwarf, which again, there's not, it's not a condescending or an insult.

It's just why make things look pretty, uh, earlier on. I think there was a reason for that. I think there was two reasons here, I think one of them, ray tracing, or showing off all the new special effects. But you're the one, if you think about it, this was set 20 years before the, before New Hope, before the Empire.

So if you think about it again, chronologically, Star Wars and New Hope is 77, 20 years prior, it was 57. What did we have in 50s America? Big, shiny, chrome-plated, Corvette, Bell Airs. Everything was futuristic.

Everything was a hot rod, everything was a rocket ship. So if you look at like the, uh, the Naboo shuttle, the Naboo Fighters, they've got that 50s Chevy chrome look about them and it really plays to the thing where it's like, oh, this is actually Star Wars in the 50s where all these fighters have got these fins and they've got all this chrome in the make these really weird sci-fi noises and stuff like that. And I think Lucas was going for that 50s because it does sort of make sense for the, like I was talking about with Andor with the sideburns and the must have, because it was the 70s. Those prequels or the first one shall we say, because that was like 10 years.

Was the cool ones 10 years after? I think it was. This is something, I don't know, it's only one of the hard times. I think it's quite quickly.

Yeah, so you had that 50s aesthetic added into the mix. So that's why everything was like all curvy and crumb and so. So get that. But even if you say curvy and think there were still blocky type cars, there were still like, like relatively, not streamlined as you would get like a Ferrari or like a.

It's retro futuristic. If I'm there guys, I think that goes somewhat into where we're focusing the system of governance in relation to the way that the trilogies are based out. The first one set in the Republic where it's all democracy, it's all freedom, it's all open and with that comes from, we know in our own lives and what's happened on this planet, you get a surge in creativity in this kind of bizarre, kind of art first and efficiency later. We've still got the Trade Federation that are, they look like Red Dwarf and the Built Out of LEGO bricks and that kind of thing representing that authoritarian regime.

And then at the fall of the Republic, everything goes to authoritarian regime where everything is mass manufactured, coming up convey about this big goes on to this big goes on to this big everything's built from the point of view of cost efficiency because it doesn't need to look good. It's fine. It's big. It's all heavy.

It's all heavy. The Naboo fighters look that way because they want them to look because it's a society that breeds prettiness and aesthetic creativity and that kind of thing. Yeah, it's a very liberal artsy, pretty, you know, planet and that's not like knocking it, like the Naboo aesthetics are lovely, but it is probably, you know, how their ships look is because they are, like, you know, that doesn't make it all nice and pretty and like. Absolutely.

And then off the back of like New Hope and what have the obviously the oppression has come in and everybody's starving. So what's left is junk, you know what I mean? It's reminiscent of the way that you see footage of cars and automobiles during big periods of economic and social change in the likes of the Soviet Union in the 70s and the 80s is exactly what I was going to say there, a lot of the Middle East and what have you, where they went through the regime changes in the late 70s and early 80s, and they suddenly went from looking quite artistic and affluent and all of this kind of thing down to block basic after the catastrophic war that came. And there's Grant's philosophy.

Grant, thank you for coming to me. No, no, no. It's a lot of sense. But it does it if you when you're saying it out loud, I'm like, OK, right, OK, why?

Like, it's obvious. It should be completely obvious. But again, I'm just like, yeah, I'm just like, I'm trying things. Yeah, it's a shame you have to like sit down and talk about it in this context.

It's not a shame. It's great to talk about it. It's fascinating to talk about it. It's the way you put that grant.

I told you in this video, you're saying as well. Thank you. You're welcome. I do talk since everyone's in the world between all the talk of genitals.

You have to ruin it, isn't it? Always. Like, come back again. That's kind of why I like stuff like Andor, like Rogue One, that you see the people, you see the effects and the recalls of the Empire.

You don't just see like the crux of the situation, you see the outside of it. And I like the white, I like seeing the white kind of the white riggles. I've been such an awakener at the moment because I think I know Star Wars, and then I'm like, kind of like running through me head. No, it's just to be used at the riggles of the Empire.

Like, well, of course they're going to have an effect on the aesthetic, the buildings, everything. And I'm not paying attention to that because all I can say is, oh, he has very shiny lights ever. And I'm looking at that in depth, look at what they're actually achieving. Well, it's been a long time since I've quite read any of the books, but when like, obviously Disney acquired Lucasfilm, there then came a new wave of like books because the book's the decade.

But one of the favourite ones I read, one of the first ones I came out to call Lost Stars, it's actually a young adult novel by Claudia Chitney. I'm just checking my books behind me. I don't have any books. I think I like it.

It's about these two kids from the same planet. One's quite privileged, one's quite poor, and they both go to the Imperial Academy. And it's how one of them kind of, she comes from the poor family and she kind of rises through the ranks quite high. And she's very much drinking the cool aids, approving of the Empire.

And then her friends, he's like from a richer society, and he's quite privileged, and he's seeing how bad the Empire actually is. He is one of the rebellion. And it's really interesting to see how these two different people... Chishol.

Yeah, it's very and all. If it's very much in the aesthetics of Andor, and one of the characters in that, one of the people he don't realise is that it's a big connection to one of the other people. Again, no spoilers because we have people who've not seen it, and I want to enjoy it. Chishol.

Good luck to the pre-tendal. But yeah, so I like reading books, I don't know, I can't make some of these either, but I like the stuff that's on the edges, because you get a better picture of the Empire at all then. And they do give you a broader score of not just this skywalker tale, or the skywalker adventures, it's different characters and different breeds new life into these type of areas. Going from that, to talk about different characters as well, I know the internet is always full of different rumours, and none all now with what's basically coming, they're going to be telling different stories in different times, and I think it's going to be in three different sections before a certain time, during a certain time.

And then, because they're going back to early jedi's, like, stallionish jedi's at one point now. Yeah. Which, I would just excite you, though, do you think that they are going to be bring back? Because I know Mies Windu is one of the fan favourites, so they keep saying that he's not dead, even though he got thong from a window and blasted with it like a lightning and stuff, but he keeps saying that potentially he's going to make a cameo or reappearance.

Is that one of the ones that you think? I know Darth Maul, I know, like, he's had a multitude of endings, and depending on which version of where you've read or what you've watched now. But again, there was rumours that he was going to be in the, like, Obi-Wan season two, I believe, I think there was rumours for that. That would be interesting.

I'd love to see Maul again, because I know he's been doing justice in animation, and I know he's got such a huge fan base. I would love to see, I thought we were like with a whole, in solo, President Dawn, and I thought we were going to get something within a TV series of that, but like, never did. So I would love to see like a more live action, more worries, he's a bit more animated than what he was in Phantom Menace, because fuck me, it looks amazing in Phantom Menace, and that fight scene is just truly and utterly amazing. But I just wanted to see a bit more talking, talking.

Well, it's been to me, like, there's been talk for years, that's going to be doing more of the Landor stuff with like, Donald Glover. Oh, that'd be cool. It was so good. He's talking about like the reprising the role, even in TV or film.

So again, if they're going to use like solo as a follow-on point, I get to using that molds in there, then potentially again, it gives you a lot of different opportunity. Yeah. But again, I wouldn't mind seeing some new characters as well, or some less than one characters from like, see the comics or, because again, I don't know his name, but the blue guy in Landor, like the western, he was absolutely amazing. I know we're going to get thrown, and again, he's just going to take over.

He's going to be like, I predicted now, I think he's going to be the new Vader, like in the Sarwha universe. And that's going to lead into like the next fears of the movies as well, hopefully, to watch what. But it just depends on like, say, the involvement or what, deep with the characters that they are trying to bring him back now, because Rhea's supposed to be on her way, well, she is on her way back. Just being just being thin.

The guy he's supposed to be coming back in her way as well. So he's in, which I never thought in a million years out here would work with me again. I didn't know that ever. Yeah.

Especially the interviews he used to, and I thought he put all ties. But apparently not. I mean, maybe they finally, he kind of are going to give Finn the story he deserves. So that might be coming back.

Maybe they want to write some roles. I can't blame him for things like that. He really was done day. Oh, like the biggest mistake that they did about the new ones, and again, not just keep jumping on them, is they got three, they said there was going to be a trilogy, and they didn't follow a story arc for each one of them.

Like each one of them, like each people who involved had an idea of what they wanted to do. If they're going to do that, do stand alone movies. Stand alone stories. That would have been so much better.

A Star Wars story did work. Yeah. I just, I think JJ obviously has, with a force away, you've basically got a new Warberry hash to be having here. And to be honest, we were all fucking loving it because it had a long time since we've seen a Star Wars movie.

We were loving it. And then you've got someone help me out with next director. I know who he is. I'm Ryan Johnson.

Ryan Johnson. Ryan Johnson. I think Ryan Johnson took a very risky move. I feel like he was like, right, this is what JJ is bringing.

I'm going to do something completely different. And yeah, some of it doesn't work. And I generally don't mind some of it. But I just felt like he took a risk and unfortunately, JJ came in at the end and on the third one and went, you know what, what you've just done there.

I'm just going to correct it all. I'm very, very sorry. But that's all that the last one felt like was a correction. It didn't feel like a complete movie.

It was like, no, yeah, it didn't. And it was proven, a point improvement when Mark Hamill grabbed his lightsaber. I said this on the last one and I said it very angrily. I have got a very different tone today, if you haven't noticed.

But it was a case of Ryan Johnson through the lightsaber, JJ made him pick him up, pick it up. Yeah. But this year, yeah. That's such a massive FU to that director.

He made that decision. That's where Luke was at at the time and JJ was like, oh hell no, I'm not having that. He will grab the lightsaber. But again, this is, you know, as much shit as he gets, right?

The book stops with Kathleen Kennedy. Yeah. If there was a pre-planned story and he comes in and he goes, oh, that great stuff, yeah, fuck that, I'm going to do this. Not once did she stop him.

Not once did she say, what is this going to work? Is it going to flow? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. They're allowed to like throw the toys out of the prom on each and act each other way. And it was very public as well, though, because even the directors were slagging each other off. It's like, well, not like directly.

It was all done in like passive aggressive comics. That kind of thing doesn't help the fandom. No, it doesn't. Because then there's definitely that divide as there.

Yeah. And if you're saying the creators slag each other off and yell at each other, then it makes it all clear for the people. Yeah. It makes it all clear for other people on the internet to think that they have a right to go to certain characters from the second one and absolutely make their life a live in hell.

Yeah. And it did it disgustingly. Yeah. But they're still making the same type of mistakes, like even now or even like not as much.

But when the Mandalorian came out and basically reburfed the Star Wars universe and everyone thought, because one of the big things they were kept on seeing, you can't have Star Wars story without Jedi or without the sky. What was in, no one will be invested. And the kind of said, no, this is not true. Look at first season of Mondo.

You can't really see that about the second season because basically you use Jedi's and you lose Skywalker. Yeah. Just at the end. Yeah.

I think by that point, people watching it because it was Manda, not because it was going to be a good one. No, I get that. But what they did as well, they thought, oh, great. We've got the Star Wars back.

And the mid-flood of announcements, almost like to do with Marvel. They're doing Rogue Squadron directly by Danny Dengens. We're going to do the Geno, I'm seeing him from now. Geno Karanji.

Geno Karanji. Geno Karanji. Geno Kamba. Geno Kamba.

Geno Kamba. Geno Kamba. It's probably safe to see. It's probably safe to see.

His name then hers on the internet. But that's the thing. All the said, they were going to get all these things. We'll cut a few of them.

But then they've had a cancel a few, due to the reasons of, like, I think Wonder Woman 2 didn't. So that's the thing. I think that's the sound like a pretty Jenkins one. Why they got rid of that idea?

I can't remember what you said at that time. I think we'll script write a British director, I think. That's why I've calmed down. Oh, yeah.

Oh, OK. But they've had to scrap so many ideas. So people are kind of like a little bit, because they call it Star Wars Fatigue. I don't think it's Fatigue, because when you've got it, we've had a few, but nowhere near to the Marvel level.

It's just Marvel. It's complete over-saturation now. Well, I think the Star Wars, it's like the throwing ideas out. So I'm getting excited about that idea.

So it's kind of like getting a little bit disappointed when things don't work out. Yeah. Yeah. This is why I don't think anyone's going off on it because of the whole new Raya movie, because they're kind of like sitting, waiting, going, well, we'll just wait.

Yeah, it's actually, yeah. This is why people have not seen, and if this might just be my naiveness, not being looking forward, but I've not seen a lot of hatred for the idea that there is going to be a Raya Skywalker movie. I don't think it's a trilogy. I just think it's a movie.

Yeah. Because as I said, they're going to do it in three different times with the movie side. They're going to go pre-make all the Star Wars and show them how the Jedi's were formed and back of the Jedi demo. They're going to do Monday, like, well, say Monday, Monday, Monday, not Trek, sorry.

I'm not interested. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I think it was to me and your shucker.

I'm bringing the elements of what's going on. So again, that could be the Avengers style Star Wars where everyone comes in to fight the big part. And then, in the future, of course, we want to do this young Jedi's where Raya's the trainer for the next generation. It's a Jedi Academy, isn't it?

It's what everyone wanted to see Luke doing. And now we're at an age where that's not possible, because Mark Hamill is not the young Luke Skywalker. He was, Anthony was bit disappointed that that was potentially the direction that we're going in, only because he would have loved to have seen it in Luke. Should cast Sebastian Sam.

As soon as I said on the first one, we talked about the Mandalorian, I was like, and I was so sure that was going to be Sebastian Sam. And lo and behold, it was not. I still think it's funny that he pretends to be his actual son in an eggplant. I would.

My word. I think there is a Marvel fatigue. We don't want to talk about it. There is a point.

There is Marvel fatigue. There is no question about that, because we talked about earlier where it's like, oh, if you want to enjoy this Star Wars thing, you have to watch episodes of this and do this and do this. And with Marvel, it's like, well, you want to watch this movie, where you're going to have to watch seven seasons of this, two seasons of that, this special, this Halloween one, this shot on YouTube. And it's just like, there's not enough time in the day to consume all the content that is out there.

I think with Star Wars, there was a hint of fatigue, and they have quickly jumped on it and rained themselves back. Because if you think back to 2016, 2017, they were like, and it's going to be a movie. It'll be two years about the NINTRALG. It's going to be a Star Wars thing.

There's going to be three TV shows. There's going to be this and then we'll just go like now, whoa, even through that, you are going to exhaust and everyone's going to be sick. I'm going to have to come to our theme parks and everyone's going to want to buy the shit. Oh, yes, they will.

And it quickly showed with Soulor. I think Soulor was the smoking gun, whether it were like, you knock this out. There was an extensive reshoot. They brought in a new director.

Yeah, the shot of the whole film. I'm going to go in there, basically. Yeah, essentially the whole film again. And it was like, that was the smoking gun for them to go, right, we need to hold back now.

We need to knock out Rise of the Skywalker, then just hold off on the movies for the TV. And I think that they're looking at it again now because we've now had so many TV shows. We now need to move back to movies. I wouldn't have balanced that.

Yeah, but at least they were willing to look at it, where Marvel just went, you will have all of this. And I am such a Marvel fan girl like that. I should be fucking loving this, but it's quite exhausting. I think next year is going to be a different year from Marvel after this year.

I try to spend people like, just Google synopsis of the film. Please don't please don't treat it like an obligation. Because the fun goes when you treat it like an obligation. You're meant to love it, not like be beholden to it.

Yeah, I think Marvel or a lot of it's already written with Star Wars. It isn't. There is a whole galaxy of stories that they could tell. Yeah.

They need to find that balance of, we can have a few movies. I mean, yes, it's a cliche, I'm going to say it anyway, because Star Trek's doing the same thing at the moment. There's been no movies since 2015. Everyone's wanting to move to like, right, okay, we're going to try a streaming movie every two years.

If that works, we'll try that. Maybe a limited release. TV shows, the original CEO, I was like, I don't want to week without Star Trek. I want Star Trek all week, every week, all year, blah, blah, and people are like, well, no, because that's how fatigue sets in.

That's how things get tight to the light. Right. So we'll only have three shows a year spaced out. So you have two months between each, sure, or a month between each one.

Star Wars, like I said, it's getting to that stage where it's, yes, we've had the movies and that plan's not going to work. You've got so many TV shows, but you can have all the TV shows all the time. They need to people need a breather between consuming a story. They don't want to go right.

That's finished the next week. It's this series. And the week after that, it's a people need months or weeks between to digest what they have just considered. Or like, strange things, years.

How does it get to the business of the bits? That's the thing, just learn the business of the book. Yeah, learn the business of the book. But when we learned to miss it, because Game of Thrones was like that, you had to learn to miss that, because it was years before the next season, Game of Thrones.

But these studios now are now learning that back when we had years between movies and months between TV series and it was all week, the anticipation is what makes this all satisfying audience. How can you get a hype train going on a year? Miss that. I missed that incident.

And then I want to rewatch it as well, because you're more likely to like, get the disc or download it or something, because you want to remember what's happened. If you're watching it back to back to back back, you don't at all... It turns into one. Yeah, it comes with a lot of models.

Yeah, you don't even kind of forget. I totally missed that feeling of build up and anticipation and waiting and excitement. And I think the last time I felt that was Endgame, I don't think I felt anything after that, for any movie, but I used to love waiting for Star Wars, like when Force Awakens came out, like, I didn't go to the Midnight Show and event one. I went a couple of years later, but I did for the next one, I dragged me to Pua Mother.

I was like, come on, Pua Lady had to wait up until midnight. But when we walked out, she was so happy that she's... I don't think she knew what was going on, because I don't think she knew what was going on, because I don't think she knew what was going on, because I don't think she knew what was going on, but it was just the feeling she got you. This is the feeling I got when I left originally in the 70s, like that was that kind of like feeling for her.

And I loved the build up for movies at that time, but it just seems to have disappeared and it's so sad. Brande Lox, I think, yeah, I'm blessed. I'm sorry, Grant. It's all right.

That conversation definitely needed to finish, because I think what it's brought about is where we initially came from with this in relation to toxicity in fandom. And it's hitting that plateau point between anticipation and having already formulated in your own head, your exact ideal of what the next part will be. And I think that's where the toxicity came in with Star Wars in the first place. We had a generation from the 70s through the 80s who, when the prequel trilogy came out in the late 90s, early 2000s, they felt like that prequel trilogy was the story that was owed to them.

And that is not the way that it was done. At all, that was the trilogy for the new generation. It was given a new generation of kids, a new generation of Star Wars fans, something to hold onto and build on. And then we got this grid big long gap up in the Force Awakens, where we then had two generations of kids, one generation of kids that hated the prequel trilogy and it grew on them because it was all that they had to watch for 10 years.

And then the prequel trilogy kids, so we'd look back at the old ones and gone, look at this, the fight sequences aren't that good, all the rest of it want. And that expectation of what the new trilogy brought about. And even without the changes in directors and what have you, I think that made the sequel trilogy suffered from one catastrophic moment. And we all know what that is.