So we're live. We're live. Hi everyone and welcome to the Nerdio of North podcast. It's an early podcast that is hosted by Northern Nerds.
I am one of your horse Sam. And I am the other horse Paul. And hopefully we are coming through a little bit clearer, a little bit shinier because I've changed the resolution because I've got a bit of bandwidth now. So I don't have to run this through a sport.
So hopefully it looks nice and shiny. So yes, we are joined by our forever friend in the wars, in the Star Wars, our companion, our wookie, shall we say, in the Jake? Oh, did you show us something? He's got a card.
Oh, thank you. Shout to Nikas. You know, I know a card I found in a shop. Hello, Jake.
Thanks, Adam. And we're not disturbed. I'm just told you. We've got to stick.
You've just got to stick. I've found a new kick factor now. You did seek Yoda by watching this movie. So this is your fault.
Yes. So yes, we have found Yoda and she comes in peace. I hope. I'll come in peace.
I'm glad I put the tag this last one. It's burning. I'm going to fucking gander your lunchbox. So yes, we have.
Hey, I just fucking froze. We have the attacker of R2. We've got Kelly. So I think this is the first Star Wars episode that we've had Kelly on as well as that.
That is correct. That is. Huxley is over the moon because we've watched it together. Because I was just like, we have movie nights every Friday and I choose and then he chooses.
It was my choice. I was like, oh, watch out. My choice back. And he was just like, what is that?
And I was like, I'm doing a podcast. I'm going to be like, oh, it should have been Return of the Jetty calls it the Jetty. because we couldn't see it today. He called it Return of the Jetty.
So we still called it, Jenny. I was like, I'm not a soldier. I was like, Return of the Jetty. But yeah, so it was lovely watching it with me so in preparation for this.
So it's there. Yeah. Dedicated to Hux. Yes.
He's right there. We should have all the time in the Jetty. That's coming. It's coming down the line.
As I said, everything has its place. We've got another eight months. So we've got the eight episodes of Star Wars that touch on at some points. So yes.
So Sammy, do you want to get you disclaimer? Because we've got Kelly on just to say those. Yes. Absolutely.
Sure. Everything that's listed today's episode. Is there opinions and our opinions alone? Or the comments section where we can have an open discussion.
But what we want to have is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong. Because we can all agree to disagree and find them. So let's keep it fun. Keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of her notism.
Yes. That's how it's all about. So with this year, we have decided, I think, I mean, Sammy, the plan was start the month with a classic movie. So we'll have a bit of class.
Very. Black and white love there. And finished the month with a bit of Star Wars. So each month, we are going to be talking about either an individual phone, an individual show, or even basically just a general chat on the walls.
And so far, it's been entertainment. It's been quite like my first one. Yeah. You were ill that time.
I was ill. Oh, yeah. The amount of people that dropped out that episode as well, it was like, oh, Joe was maybe on, no, he's going to say, Nicole, I was like, oh, then Sammy was maybe on, no, just ill. So the...
It was cursed. It was cursed, I'm sorry, which it was. But definitely was by the Tom Grumpson, who actually saw Chris and he died live on air as well. So he was getting worse and worse as he was going.
So that was interesting. Now the little monster is all rotted up and he's just full of rage and everything at the moment. Yeah. I'm going to start going to the gym so we can attack you.
Possibly. I mean, you will be dead. So I know, I mean, Jake's already had a little tit for tat on the Facebook group about this today, because in my opinion, and I think a lot of people's opinions, this is the best Star War movie. An object doesn't agree.
So that's... And we are allowed to disagree. That's the answer thing. I still want to know why.
Yeah, no, we're not going to have the rest. So Kelly, with you being a firm favourite on our podcast, got new to the Wars Talk, where does Empire rank in your list of the Star Wars? Right. I need to admit something before I do this.
I have only watched these in the past seven years. OK? I am a new fan to Star Wars. I used to collect the tassels without even watching the tassels.
Yeah. Right. I'm really just asking somewhere. When they brought out the TV Masters films in 1997, I didn't even watch it then.
You know what I mean? Star Wars never interested us until I met Adam. And we watched them together and we watched them all the way through. We did it with aliens as well.
Like aliens. So sometimes I feel like I'm a little bit of a... Not a true fan, but I feel like because I've came into it later, I've got a different sort of appreciation for it. But I will say the Empire Strikes Back, I like, enjoy what Return of the Jedi is my fucking favourite.
Right. I love this, but I love Return of the Jedi. I wish I'd... Again, I love that.
Like you said, you only found the Wars Say it like Star Wars seven years ago. It's not about when you found the Star Wars, I mean, I found it. It's like you can enjoy it. And that story you told before, like, just about you and, like, say the little one watching it and experiencing that together, that's what these movies are about.
It's like there's certain movies with our classes passing the torch movies where you would watch... Yes. And you would watch with a younger generation and you can experience it with them. And you're kind of like living through them and experiencing it again for the first time.
I think that the certain movies that you don't really get that impact with, like, but this one, Ghostbusters, I'll mention Agunis, like all movies that transition to, like, to the next generation, it's kind of like not trying to lose that. I don't think it ever lose that the Star Wars because it's like a juggernaut of its own franchise now. But it's timeless. It's absolutely timeless when I was watching it.
Cloud City. It looked like modern day. Like, the people bought it. It was so crazy.
Like, oh my God, like... Did you ever watch the Disney Plus version? Yes, I was really... Yeah, yeah.
Even though I owned them on VHS and DVD. Yeah, but when I was watching this one, I was like, oh, when I was a kid, I literally just couldn't see what was in this scene, like, in Daggabro. I mean, it was in the tree. I'm like, just because I had like a 14 inch television and VHS, I was like, I just couldn't see where he was wondering and stuff.
But I was like, I'd make some short sense now. Yes, it's very clear on the 75 inch telly. Oh, sure. I feel so good.
Even though I did not watch it on the big telly, I was watching the big telly. But it was still very clear. So before we start going Delvin further, Sammy, do you want to give us your tag lines that you'll be itching to get out of here? I am actually.
I'm actually... Sammy didn't say which one is her favorite. I was in the set before. Oh, well, episode one.
But... No, no. Do you know what? When I leaned down earlier, I was looking for my old North booth because we did do many, many, many moons ago, a ranking of our Star Wars.
And I just wanted to see because I can't remember what I put. And Rogue One might have been one or two. I think it was second for me. Yeah, I think I might be my first actually.
But yeah, I just want to see where this one... I used a low return of the Jedi. I used to think it was the best one, it was the superior one. But honestly, this kind of trouses it a little bit.
Certain factors in it that make it a little bit better. And also I didn't fall asleep in the middle of this one. Like I did return to the Jedi in the cinema where I felt like that's what I thought. I know, I didn't see no Max Bebo in this film.
So I'm not sure if it can be a... And yeah, so the tag line for this really basic, nothing too extravagant. The adventure continues. Oh, fuck it.
It gets better, Kelly. Because the Star Wars saga continues. Right. Or the battle continues.
The battle. And they are the tag lines of this movie. Because this movie is kind of... Do you know how in the first a new haul, but they were very much like, oh, this is not going to work.
It's the B movie at best. And then it just exploded. Yeah, they generally thought the same about this as well. They didn't think it was going to be as successful.
And I know George Lucas wanted to completely and utterly financially support this. So it was out of a studio's hand. And he ended up doing that by the money he made up a new haul and getting a loan. However, the loan came from...
It would have got off me. Probably not. But I think anyone came from Paramount Studios. Right.
I remember reading that rightly. Yeah, he financed it himself and then he went to Motion Picture Association of America, and that's where he got the loan. But he didn't want to direct it. He wanted to be part of the creative side and the finance, but he didn't want the responsibility of directing.
It's a weird one, Mr Lewis, doesn't he? He kind of tries to... Doesn't want to take responsibility for anything, but then he's like, oh, it's all mine at the same time. Yeah, it's a glory.
Yeah, but this one he just wanted to be financially independent from Hollywood. And he succeeded. Yeah, sort of. To answer GX question, why this is my favourite?
Yeah, go for it. I think the tones in this one, it changes so much. Like the first one is very... Even though it's in space and there's a lot happening, it's very concealed.
The most you say is tattooing a little bit. No tattooing. Oh, yeah. Not that hot was the Empire.
In a new haul. On your whole browser. Yeah. And basically then you go on the death zone.
That's where it's contained. This is the one where it gives you the galaxy. You start off on the whole path, which is just one of the most breathtaking pieces of cinema from the opening to basically the battle scenes, which is one of the greatest battle scenes ever filmed. Even if you did war, like, like, standard war, and I think it's just the way everything kind of works.
You see the Atats coming over the... Like, space camels coming over the horizon. And then you go through like, asteroid fields, everything about this is just big, epic, there's big moments. You go to the Dagobah system to meet Yoda.
Then you go to Sky City. It's just kind of pinned with more broader strokes and everything you watch and especially if you watch it on a big screen of the cinema or go around Sami's and watch it for the window. It's just everything is just like eye candy and it's just like, whoa. And there's more death, the story, there's complex, the characters start like I fleshed out.
You start falling. This is the film. You officially start falling in love with Han Solo. Because the first one is just a bit of a grumpy space parry that you just like, he's second for the best.
Luke takes a little bit of a back seat, but again, he starts going through the motions of being a Jedi. And just all the different aspects kind of play about Carrie Fisher. Like, it's not just eye candy in this. She's a strong, she likes to be independent.
Kisses as many blocks as she can. Just and again, yeah. Let's just shut that little door thing when she's trying to fix this. And then I give like, have a little bit more balls with this, the movie as well.
Like, you actually think that C-3PO is going to finally be blown up in though they're kind of bottling and stuff and together back to front. But that comedy and that kind of belief and the give us the most beautiful man in the galaxy as well, Lando Coruscian, who's just like, who could else other than Kelly can pull off a cape. It's just absolutely magnificent. Like, he looks better than Vader with a cape.
He's a little twerp though. He feels like that to the Empire. But that's the regret. I get that though.
I get that because he's trying to survive and he's trying to go through. And it's just everything in this, like, when this argument, the droids, the, as I said, with the atats and the different machineries, like everything just looks so much better and so much. It's kind of like, oh, I know a lot of it was like, these are going to be the next Star Wars toys and stuff to advertise and fuck me. Did I want all them ships?
Did I want all them droids? And I had them all. And so like, I do get where you're coming from because it does move and then you hit a lot more different, like, areas and stuff. I think, like, for me, I definitely think the cantina scene has a lot more going on from my imagination than sort of anything in this one where I'm like, whoa, look at all those weird guys that I want to know more about.
And like, how does this entire, like, world even work? I'm not that interested in Cloud City. I don't care about best-been gas mining in what and how Lando's got a weird scam city. I'm petified of Cloud City.
I'm totally honest, I'm where you come from, Paul, with like the Epic landscape. It's introduced to, you know, so many different planets and places and the spread taken. What Cloud City scares the shit out of me. It's going to hide you on your fault.
Well, I'm not scared of heights, but it's this idea of falling forever. Right, yeah. You know, when Luke, like, spoiler alert, falls out the friggin thing. And he's like, I just think, he got to imagine, like, what would happen first?
Like, how would you die? You just fall forever. What if you needed the toilet? What's your skin just like, thinking off?
Like, well, when would you die? Yeah, so that freaks me out. When you'd go at work or like after the bar or something. I could not live in close, it just not gone.
Like, what is beneath me? Yeah. And that, that, that everyday threat of you could fall forever. And the ventilation system was weird as well, because like Luke fell.
And he just suddenly got sucked into a pipe and then turned it, it was what looked like a fun slide. And I was like, isn't it? And it's like, now he's trash. Just open up and let him go.
And when he was hanging on, I just went, how convenient that that's there. That was my interesting thought. Now, a few I'll hear it was saying. I'll convince you.
The force guided him. And we all met, we all met, what's Carrie Fisher when she throws herself back in the space. I didn't mock it because I'm a nice nurse. Did you just go?
I went, yeah. This is awesome. This is the princess. And this movie is not without its, um, trial and tribulations.
There's quite a few, um, rewrites, quite a few, um, things that could possibly have changed the complete landscape of these, the Star Wars story. Um, but what I found very, and I probably will get into that as we go along, but what I found really interesting is how smart the cast were. So the cast on the, on the, everyone was happy to come back. Anthony Daniels was a little bit funny about it, but eventually, you know, shut the fuck up and was like, yes, I'll do it.
Um, David Proust was a little bit hesitant because of, you know, him finding out that. Yeah, but he realized that he's, he's like, no, sorry. But what they did instead of taking a massive paycheck, they took a percentage of the movie intake. Right.
Okay. So it's the first time this kind of deal had gone about. Yeah, we didn't do it in the first one. Because in the first one, everyone was under the impression that it was just a B movie.
Like this is not going to go anywhere. We are literally, we, we kind of like, we're just going to go over the floor. It's a job. Yeah.
So when they realized how great it did in the cinemas, they were like, we're going to, and every one of them took a percentage, which means that they all came out with more money than they would of if they told the paycheck, which is incredibly smart of all of them. Alec Guinness, um, the work, Alec Guinness, it wasn't a case that he didn't want to come back. He was really, really at this point. Yeah.
They were really, really sick. And George Lucas was in the, we're thinking maybe we're going to have to recast or be one. And Guinness was like, if we can do it in a day. Yeah.
I'll do it. I'll do it. And then literally started at nine o'clock that morning, the finished at four and that was it. They were all done.
And he was paid 2.5% of the, um, the box office gross thing. He came up with a lot of coin. He did it for the hours that he worked. Yeah.
He came up with a lot of money. That's not bad. But he came up with a lot. It's nuts.
And he was like, how much he hates Star Wars, considering it must have set him up for the rest of his life. Because even like, I showed like me and Sammy were watching like a TikTok with Harrison Ford, where we were asking him how, how does he stand on, on there, like, on movies and say the stupid stuff and just like the money. Yeah. That makes it okay.
I will say whatever like silly hook or anything. Just as long as I'm. Yeah. Well, Harrison Ford was the one who, and we all know this, he didn't want to stick around.
He wanted to, he wanted to leave. That's why the minute was table at the end. I believe he campaigned every star, well, he was being in his campaign to have a death scene. He's wanted to be killed off in every star was moving.
I think it was, I think only one wasn't a new world. Empire you wanted to die. Jedi, you said you have to kill me now. It'll have such a gravity importance.
Just because he just didn't want to come back. No, he didn't. And I'm just trying to find it because there's one is line. The most famous line in this movie.
Well, I consider it anyway. Well, it says I love you. And he says I know. Yeah.
Originally in the first draft because this is how awkward and Harrison Ford was kind of being the original line was Carrie Fisher says I love you and he says just remember that layer because I'll be back. Oh, God. No, that was going to be the original line of that until the complete re-ranze because again, at the end of this movie, nobody knew where Harrison Ford stood. Yeah.
If he was going to come back or not. You got to do the part experience. You're going to say it did all prefer that. I mean, I think it's my teeth on the edge of that line.
Even worse than I know. I hear that. I hear that. I know because I love the dynamics and the flirting and, you know, the little spats that the harp.
It's just all like, you know, it's just a charge. It's just lush. I love it. It's like playful.
But then that I just think you're a cock. You deserve this. You get frozen now, you bastard. Yeah.
Talk about lines all because I always find this really interesting. I can say I've got Sammy with this. He did. He did.
The most famous line in this movie is the most misquoted line ever in movie history. Everyone always gets it wrong. Well, I said it too. So I think Kelly already knows it.
So Jake, what do you think the most famous line is? The no Luke. I am your father. Mine.
So everyone says Luke. I am your father. It's like, no, it's just his. I am your father.
No, it's like a thing. But there's no Luke. I am your father. Oh, it's just no.
No, I am your father. The most famous line is the most misquoted. While many believe that Darth Vader is Luke, I am your father. He actually says no, I am your father.
Yeah. Well, that's because when you're saying it out of context, you need to slip Luke in there. Nobody knows. Yeah, that's right.
Mark Hamill's cry. It's just the worst. But when he's a little stump, you know what? You know what?
I do like the part like I do like that. It's impossible part because it's just like he's probably crying. I've got to give it a tragedy. But I've got to say the people who made this film, Kudos as well, because they created a whole scene at the start of this movie just for the fact that Mark Hamill had a crash and had it injured face.
So the whole one was saying that wasn't in the movie originally. That was brought in so they could give Luke a scarf. Yeah. And that whole sequence is genuine.
The blizzard, everything. They were absolutely freezing the tits off because of how cold it was genuine. Like it was a genuine snowstorm. Yeah, that was really interesting.
And in the original draft of this, because there's many of them, but in the original draft, Darth Vader was not Luke's father. In the original draft, he was going, Anakin Skywalker was going to be his own character as a force ghost to be of, and he's the one who was going to bring the twins together. And Darth Vader was just a knock at it. So was the twins already an idea in this one?
Because that's what confused me. Yeah. That line is that the line where you know between Obi-Wan and Yordo where he says there is another. Yeah.
Yeah, that's added in later to kind of help use, realize that yeah, so it wasn't, you probably wasn't probably wasn't so labor experts drafted the screenplay contain the revelation of Luke's sister. Her existence is caused by the ghost of Anakin Skywalker referred to as Nellyeth Skywalker. Anakin explains that he, that he is, that it was he not all be one who separated the twins of birth to protect them from Darth Vader. And that Nellyeth also went under went to Jedi train in another part of the galaxy so she could join forces for Luke to defeat the Sith.
But that, that's so much to put into Leia's character, even though you've already established a side of Aaron and you hope. Yeah. So it was dropped in the second draft of the screenplay along with the appearance of Anakin Skywalker and replaced with the same way Obi-Wan and Yordo were discussing how they're going to find another Jedi apprentice. And that's when he says that.
That just makes it a little bit more wafer because I always had the impression that like when the meade days movies as I said, I always wanted to do another one or a next one type thing. But they didn't have like the whole everything fleshed out and to me, I know everyone makes jokes about the incest angles and stuff like that. It was a fucking system. We should have fallen neck on my bloody hell.
I'm just going back and going back and going back. I'm sorry. But at least whole looking like you can smoke this when she kisses him on the thing. It's like, it's like, oh man, to stop it nor.
It's like you have good kiss. You're brother. You know what I mean? It was enough.
Kiss. Anyway, you know what I mean? It just looked awkward and stupid. And they was just like, eh, there you go.
And you just you would like get hands back up. It's not like you fucking like, or anything. But it was just that. I think, yeah.
Just why just like a people in some and doing our kiss to brothers and sisters like this. Just saying, just getting that. She was not getting a reputation. She got a nice, rich style.
How many are you child? I'm saying. I have a sister. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, George, it was right in the screenplay about this all the way already. Oh, yeah.
Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.
This is the first time ever ever in Star Wars history that the Millennium Falcon was built to size. Right. The time that you have seen the Millennium Falcon, it has just been in segments in in bits. This is the first time they did a full length Millennium Falcon.
Oh, that's that. It was 65 feet in diameter, 16 feet in height. And basically what the weight was 23 tons. Was this in Pinewood?
In London as well. A lot of people thought, realise this, these films were made of and all everything was British made. This is, yeah. Yeah.
It's for a minute. The realise that though, we've seen the Empire. It's all stuffy British accountants and stuff like that. British need to go.
Yeah. Yeah. The only other place on location is Hoth. Right.
Yes. That is the Netherlands, I think. I would have to be completely wrong there. But yeah.
I'm going to spend a little time on Hoth here just to see how. Yes, please. Oh, magnificent. Oh, so I've got people scared there.
I just want to give a quick shout out to like what was it? Rogue Squadron M64 game, that's my favourite level. It just why. And that endlessly.
And it also show to the amazing music when the start of day time battle and it's like that. Everyone's like, yeah. Just the whole build up. It's like you set up how desolate this planet is.
And when Luke meets the one for the first time, like there's a bottom up, a nominal snowman type creature, which is just like one of the best Star Benjamin's as in my opinion, like looks wise, even though he's only seen for us a short space at a time, but he doesn't leave an impact, then we get the pewa tantons, which is scary. Oh, they're not adorable. Why does this do this? It's awful.
This is like, I can't watch things where dogs die on him. So I've been going through the motions because listen to it, there's a dog definition and I'm just like, that affected me more. Oh, sorry. Anyway, that effect just means more to do the death of like some of the kids, which sounds really awful, but I just think like animals are just roped into it.
And it's, you know, it's just the helping us out. And the fact that, you know, like the technically, you know, snow donkeys, you know, so there'll be fucking things out, you know, but they're so cute. And I just think like, they're just, they're deaths affect me. I saw much.
And it's just like, oh my god. It was funny, it was funny, it was like, oh, the minute you get out there, he's going to freeze to death and he was like, and I'll see you in hell kind of comment. Also, that's a weird line because it implies that hell exists. Hell exists, it's not what it's been held.
It's so, it's so, I would have played with what's said beforehand. It's not like you said, go to hell, like I'll see you there. It was just, it was a weird line. Yeah, I'm going to draw.
I can say that's why you fell in love with honey, just didn't give a fuck, but did you, I don't know what Calipov is in nor this. The toy range for the Tontons were quite brutal at the time. I've got one. I was obviously like, I was getting out of it.
It's like twisted head off. No, no, even. Or an airport, look at it. The stomach was made of rubber.
So you could pull it open and put the figures inside. It's the rim as fucking the kid's toy. It's tight. Did you know also that the wamp are survived and that Luke goes back and kills it at the expanded universe?
I've read the book. Has a wappable wall. Do you know what? It's actually came out before this movie.
Right. Two months before the movie. The novelization. Yeah.
Oh, but nobody realized. You could have had the spoilers. I was driving. I was here, I'm getting two things.
Talk about it. Oh my gosh. You know how we were talking about how this was recorded? It's a pain mud.
So Carrie Fisher famously had an apartment over in London. And when she was doing more of the movies, but at the time for this one, she was actually seeing Eric Idles and the Pythons were filming life of Brian. So on an evening, Idles would have small parties in Paris and Ford. That's lewd.
That is disgusting. Not the tunt. Our audio listeners are not going to be able to see this. He's just birthed.
That is disgusting. He's got an adventurer figure in there. Possibly. The rock was very old.
That was a gosh. It's from the increase in value. Yeah. So they had these parties with them.
I'm trying to bring it back with Paris and Ford and the Rolling Stones. And this scene where the first scene that's shot, so they have this huge party, it's ridiculous. The next day for Carrie and Harrison is the film in Cloud City. Right.
Yeah. But the Hamilton took place that day. And Idles said he was really happy with how things went when they saw the scenes that they did for that day. He was happy with his imprint that he made on them too.
Oh my god, that's weird. So also that toy is grim. So I don't know if I say the best toys in the world. Like who have the idea?
Let's create a tunt on that you could still open and get pulled out. Brilliant. I'll put him in. Just show him in there.
And the one of course, like this is about the one of course. You know what else is when I thought like as a kid I was like, oh okay. So he sleeps inside the tunt on all night. But no one else watching at this time, it's like no, he sets up camp like wide inside of it.
So then he went drags in back. He's just came up. Yeah. And he's like, what is that covered in goo while he's in the tent with hand?
It's just a bad scene. Smell would have been horrific. Yeah. Just saying the smell would have been so bad.
And speaking of so bad, I've got a bad feeling about it. They did every movie. Who said it in this one? Leah.
Leah. Big, big, big, big, big, big. Oh, yes. The worm that is hilarious.
I'm not how the door realized. They're in a fucking worm. Yeah. It's just like, because I was in some predicament, don't they?
It was very much being like a doom reference. A doom reference there. Not doom. Doom.
A reference there with a giant worm. I know they've got the sun worm litter in the Mandalorian type thing. That's a great dragon. It's a giant.
Someone's written up. Someone's written up. Is it's Pearl as a lightsaber crystal? No.
I like, I do like that worm scene because you get the whole like weird thing with the minut. And then they go out and accidentally shoot it and they're like, get wiser earthquake and sizing. It's like hand hand has a shoot of himself just for kicks. Yes, we are in a living thing.
It's very much for Norvio and the giant wheel. It's a fucking wheel. I should have gone here. Oh.
Oh, yeah. It's a good name. You know what gives me nightmares as a kid? Like when I watched this at the time, I don't know why it terrified us.
It must have been because when we were kids, we were always told that like bugs and quicksand were going to be the being of our lives growing up. We were trying to stay away from them from other. And when Luke goes to the Dagobas system and the Zaxwing sinks in the water, R2 goes in and some kind of thing in the water starts again. But you never see it.
And again, that's the thing I love about these type of horror moves as well. Is when something's there and you know it's going to be scary and horrible, but you never see it. So your imagination takes over and you kind of freaking out what it could be under that swamp. The Dagobas have always put me in mind of a film that I actually watched and loved before.
Flash gone. Where there's trees and stuff. So the place where the trees and things and I used to always get really scared when Flash went in and all you could see was the last blonde whisper pair. And he was getting like this little thing.
I'm saying, yeah, like I've seen. I did laugh on Dagobas because I was like, oh, the reptile man's on set today. Ben Henson was originally asked to come in and do Yoda. He was the first choice.
And Jim Henson said, thank you. However, I got my guy, Frank here. Frank will come and help you out. So Dagobas is probably the most interesting set out of all of them because they had to fit all the puppeteers in because Frank only does a certain part.
If Frank Yoda is made up of quite a few moving parts, even though to look at him, you wouldn't think that. No, you pick stuff up. That's the crazy thing. Because he's got one person doing this side and that side and his head.
And yeah, so they had to create a whole set to be able to fit everyone in. And the only way that Ivan Kirschner could give directions, because nobody could go in. Nobody could, you couldn't have the director next to them. It had to literally just be a camera and everyone in the scene.
So Mark Hamill used to have an earpiece in so he could hear Frank Oz talk in. All right. But the earpiece was also connected to Ivan Kirschner. Who would be given directions to Frank Oz, who would Mark Hamill would hear it and think that he's talking to Yoda.
It would just got really, really confusing to where Frank Oz literally had to take over the direction of Dagobas. The scene with Mark Hamill when he slacks his head had to be done 60 times. He was happy with it. And when Mark Hamill used to get it, because he was born around this time and he was a little bit homesick.
And obviously the conditions of Dagobas were not great and the fact that he had he said 60 times. The weird Frank Oz decided to cheer him up. Because he would bring Kermit and Miss Piggy with them. So Kermit was in Dagobas.
Kermit was actually in Dagobas. That was actually cheating. That was how we, that was your child's career. I don't have one.
I miss my child. I'm Kermit. No, my surrogate parent figures, obviously, as a child who grew up with them. So you came up with babies?
You just used to stick that on and there you go. There was a bit of rizier. And again, just how class is Frank Ozman. Just how am I going to cheat this guy?
He's like, proper homesick at the moment. I don't know. I can imagine it now. And he's just kidding.
Okay. If you think about it now, the amount of interpretations of versions of Yorda we've had since Empire Strikes Back now, and all of them got smob in Jedi. We've had, I mean, the prequels, we've then had like, Gors to the point where we've got Grogu now, which is again, just like another version of Yorda, shall we? Let's be honest about it.
The original puppeteering and the work on set for Empire is just mind-blowing how good and how realist. I know it sounds stupid since I popped it. How much do you love that puppet as well? Because it's a phase.
I don't think of it as a puppet after a while. Like maybe I'll start when I'm like, oh, I'm impressed. He's eating the sausage. He's picking some up.
But then like when he's talking to him in the hut, like I'm not thinking it's a puppet. I'm just like listening to what he's thinking. Yeah. Yeah.
Eyes are just on there. Because it's first you like, well, look at that. Because it's the first you like, well, look at that. Because it's each the biggest.
It's on going. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that.
Oh, no, no, no. That's not fair. That's fast. Oh.
You will be. What? And I like how to try. I think we should explain last night, Jake sent me a video of Bad Liquid Green in Digipar.
Let's see, you'll stop it now. Yeah. Sorry, I'm wondering. Maybe a little boy sing it to each other all the time.
We'll just come out with it. Just like, run, run, run, run. Jump. I could be a back, where'd you run?
I was in twist out of Harry Bine. I could be a back, where'd you. I did that. There is two character backpacks in this movie.
It's insane. Yeah. But which one would you prefer? The other one.
Yeah. I don't want to have any Daniels on my back. I can't thank you. You do.
Why do you call these two? These two are. You're not walking straight there. So I'm crouching a bit.
Are you hungry? Get something to eat. And then I'm like, hands dying. He's like, I can't see anything.
Tell me, right? Great. It's about you, C3P, all. They call me self.
There's more in your face. What's that we had his head on backwards? So he would see what he would complain about that as well. But he would have just been seeing Harry.
Like, what if he was looking back? Because he was going to say, you know, two back his head. I was nearly crying with Joey Mind towards the end. I really was.
I don't think I've ever looked at Joey before. Because obviously he's just so iconic. He's so iconic. No, no.
I'm not. I'm not in a different way. I think I could cuddle him tonight. Yeah.
Yeah. Actually, I would. But I just, I don't think of him as a character that I would go, oh, he is like my favorite character kind of thing. Yeah.
He really is such a good character, especially for something that doesn't say anything like that we can understand. All that emotion at the end. Like, it absolutely broke me. I was like, oh, more than he's made.
Like, you know what I mean? Because the how's that like relationship with banter and stuff. And I think it's what's amazing about Chewbacca is like, it's just like, he's putting the words in it. He's acting so you can kind of say that, you know, always pissed off, always tacking the piss, or easy, you know, he said something funny, but we don't understand it.