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And I am with her. I normally am one of the hosts, but I think today I might do things a little bit differently. So just to keep things a little bit interesting. So I've made a realisation this month.
It's a very special month. It is like a appreciation for women month, which the lovely beggar and Sarah have been doing and absolutely amazing job of representing and showcasing all the brilliant women in nerd culture is it so to see a big thank you to Becca. But that's not really enough of it though because I feel like as nerdy of north we've kind of let the women down because we've not really celebrated women this much this month. We've done our best but we've not really kind of like had a big celebration and a women's centric episode.
So I'm not going to be the host tonight. So no, Becca, you're going to be taking horse and duties. So you're going to be in charge with somebody of the Nerdy of North podcast. And I'd say just to see a big thank you and for everything you do as well.
I'm fucking off. So have fun guys. Bye. Bye.
I'm the dark side as well. We are warning. It was been today. So come on, Becca introduce yourself.
I'm the other host Becca and today I'm joined by the lovely people. There we go. I'm joined by the lovely people. I'm joined by the lovely people.
I'm joined by the lovely people. I'm joined by the lovely people. I'm joined by the lovely people. Unlike this film now.
Yeah. I'm only kidding. We are here today to talk all wars, all Star Wars, but in particular the fourth awakens. If you don't mind I will do the disclaimer and then we can crap on open this episode.
Sure. Everything that we've discussed in today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode I'll be used and joined us in the Facebook group. You can join us in the Discord or the comments section where we'll have an old discussion.
But what we won't have is anyone coming from us and tell us our opinions are wrong because we can all agree to disagree and fund them. Let's get it fun. Give us a kind, and keep the toxic behaviour. Out of Nerdyism.
Yeah. I'll take it. I'll take it. Yeah.
Yeah. So we're here for Force Awakens. Yeah. So we're here for Force Awakens.
Kinda some stuff out tonight for us to discuss, especially if they've been in a way that we're here to celebrate women. We're here to celebrate on tonight's celebrate the women of Star Wars. Kinda in this movie. Women of Star Wars?
There's actually... Fazmat and Carrie Fisher. There's four. Yeah.
There's four women. Go on, baby. That's a good question. Carrie Fisher.
Mars Bittana. There we go. We'll be looking at that. To be one true love.
Exactly. But what I have first is not the taglines. I do have the taglines, but I actually have the scroll for this episode. So to kind of set the scene.
So Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister first order has risen. From the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi has been destroyed. With the support of the Republic, General Léa Organa leads a brave resistance.
She is desperate to find her for the Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy. Léa has sent her most daring pilot, a secret and podgeous... on a secret mission to Jakku, where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke's. What about?
Little, little, little, little. It straightens the music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The music was...
I just thought it was really about the music was just going round and round with my hair. It was going to come out. It had to come out. Well, I have the taglines.
Every generation has a story. It's a bit on the nose, but I can't. Then this one's going to get you. Come into your galaxy, this winter.
Yep. The force is calling to you. Just let it in. Wow, this is getting really aggressive with the marketing for this film.
I've never seen Tiktas. I didn't read that beforehand. A long time ago, when the galaxy was far far away. Okay, classic.
That could be any of the films. Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, force away against the other taglines. So, first thoughts on a new Star Wars film 10 years after the last one.
Did you think after avenge of the second, this would actually be a thing? No. I did it and I can remember because it came out around Christmas. And I remember being in a pub with a friend about to go see it and having that bubbly excited feeling of like, oh my God, I can't believe we're about to go see a new Star Wars film.
I watched it as it came out in the winter. I think I watched it between Christmas and New Year. It's about 2016. It came out 2015, didn't it?
Yeah. So, I can remember watching it just between Christmas and New Year. And I didn't know what to expect because I can't remember seeing any of the marketing, which I think is a bit appalling because of how big and how large Disney went on the marketing for this film. It was looking back now because I've been watching a couple of the adverts and things around where it all came out.
They went big and they weren't going home for this marketing. And they transformed the inside of the cinemat theaters as well. At least the Duke of York City didn't write it. And you walked in and you had a light side on the dark side and all over, they had the sipping, the republic.
We didn't get anything about that. It was amazing. No. Yeah.
We didn't get anything about that. No, no, no. I feel like I'm doing it now. I feel like I'm doing it now.
Sandered, North South divide. Yeah. All of you. This is what happens when the marketing executives live down here, I guess.
It might also just have been the Duke of the York City because I think they go hard for like, nerdy films. They've done like similar vibes when they've done like a Back to the Future marathon. You go in in this all 80s everywhere. That's so cool.
I think we'll get out some of the film trip. Yeah. Just for the cinema. Just for the experience.
Yeah. I remember it. I do remember the lead of two, but what I really remember distinctly is in 2013, when Lucas sawed to Disney and this was like shit. Yeah.
Yeah. And everyone being very, very, like I can remember like my friends being like, this is the biggest mistake that Seoul was ever made. Yeah. Like Disney are going to destroy it.
We're going to have Mickey Mouse with like sabers. Yeah, exactly. Maybe. That'd be fun.
Wouldn't argue with that. That'd be a bit of an improvement on Mickey Mouse at this later. Yeah. So yeah, I remember that.
I do remember that portion. And then it kind of like just settled to the listen to the great deal more. And then all of a sudden in the middle of the day, I think it was run at the end of the year, maybe the beginning of the year, the adverts started coming. Yeah.
And the hints and the trailer came and I didn't go to the mid-nation one for this one. I did for the other two. I even dragged my mum to one of them because my mum is a huge fellas fan. And but I went a couple of days after release.
And I remember the post going up, don't spoil it. Don't spoil it. And someone spoiled it for us. So I knew what was going to happen before I went in, which was which was fine.
And he returned the behaviour because I saw it in 2D and I saw it in 3D a couple of days later. And there was a kid behind us who was literally just riding my last nerve, asking all these stupid questions constantly constantly and I said to my friend at the time, if he doesn't stop, I'm going to turn around and tell him what happens. So low dies. Have a little bitch.
It's your fault. You wanted to like to say that? There it is. Kip, that's going to win Darth Vader was going to show up.
I mean, he must have been about like eight year old or something. Yeah. And also the closest we get is like the Anakin emo, hot, loud and dryer, like really going in. He's really giving it everyone.
He's like everyone's first year in the character of this. Yes. 100%. Yes.
And I love it. I think it's good casting. Yeah. Yeah.
Poe Dameron. Oh, so good. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That was a good choice, but it was watching it today. It felt very his humor felt too forced.
Yeah. It's a funny one because I remember him being like the highlight when I first saw it, watching it today. I was like, actually, fearless, the funny one. Yeah.
He's got, I used the one who's delivering the lines that catch you by surprise. Do you think the big John Byyegar and Deservas by Megan? Because Dizzy Ritzley is the only one who's allowed to keep her accent. Yeah.
Do you think the Dinnamir Deservas by like, I think he's like being hilarious in his London accent. Yeah. Yeah. But they try that to film a few scenes and then realize that he just really didn't work with everything else and then make him refill that.
Mm-hmm. Because I've seen him talking about that. And even he says that he's glad that they chose the accent for him. But 100% agree that it would have been better with his OG accent.
I could just sometimes when I watched it in the, obviously watched it last week. And then I've watched it maybe about five years ago since sort of the original. And I can just remember thinking and just hearing his accent saying those lines. I can just remember giggling.
So I was just like, so much better. Be a bit better boy. Yeah. I've done a little bit of homework.
Oh. As I always do. And- Not of class. So George Lucas didn't want to do any more Star Wars.
But he, so it's so conflicting. And the way that he goes on, he very much, I don't want to do it. So when he sold it to Disney, he was like, but I'm happy for someone else to do it. And then when they were going to do it, he was like, Oh, I don't know if I like this very much.
And but he's fangs were tight. Yeah. I've seen a quote where he said it was like, go into his ex's wedding. Yeah.
And I actually, I do. So here's controversial saying, I think the film's better for George Lucas having taken a step back. Yeah. Because it, because I, and actually I think that's one of the reasons why the universe has expanded so much with Disney.
Partly because you know, they're the biggest entertainment. It's happening in the world. They're Disney. Yeah.
So of course they're going to like ride that cash cow. But also I do think having that kind of more expansive feel is partly because it's like, he's had to let it go to people who are going to ride, like most of the writers on that film clearly fans, like it is fanservice. The Millennium Falcon, um, like spaceship chase across across the desert planet, like classic Star Wars. Like I only a fan would write that.
Yeah. And also I can imagine like you've created this thing that you are known for like, like you hear George Lucas, you automatically think Star Wars. Like it must be hard to let go of your baby, even if you would kind of dumb with it. Yeah.
Yeah. I totally get that. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, yeah. He had the, he had the brains over the couple in Kennedy and said, hey, there's not, there's really nothing that I can do. And GJ was not first pick for the director.
Um, people who were considered was David Fincher. Yep. Brad Bird. Okay.
And the name's Familia, too, isn't that? Just can't think of the top me, head what I know I'm from. Um, John Favreau. And Favreau just got one later to do Mandalorian.
Yeah. And this one, I would love to know how this man would have joined Star Wars. Gamirio del Toro. Uh, that's an interesting twist.
I get, yeah. I love that. I think it would have been really funny. Because you look at his like, Hellboy films.
Yeah. For me, that's peak sci-fi fantasy. I think he does anything that man touches I just love. Um, but the top choice was Matthew Vaughn.
Look, look, in Silicon Fals. Is that the guy? X-Men. X-Men.
Oh. Um, oh, no. Um, he dropped out of it. Actually, he was very, he was that into the job.
He dropped out and doing X-Men days of future past. Um, Vaughn, didn't he do? King's man. Oh, I just, he also did kick ass.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they really wanted Matthew Vaughn.
Um, another name that got passed around. This is for director Ben Affleck. Actually, Ben Affleck, I think, is a better director than he is an actor. Yeah.
And I think he's an all right actor. Like, but I think he's a decent director. I can't see him doing like a big, I feel like he does like the small budget. He's like, he does well in the kind of like, um, contained store.
I can't imagine what he'd do. I can't imagine what he'd do. I can't think of it. I can't do it.
I can't. I can't. I can't. I'll be right.
Yeah. Well, it was Spielberg who put in the era to Captain Kennedy, the name JJ Abrams. And it was there. It took a lot of convincing.
Some, like JJ Abrams, not everyone's a fan. Like, I can kind of understand that. He can be a bit more like. Yeah.
So I just had a chat. Imagine the aliens from Del Toro. Oh, it would have been, he'd have had puppets everywhere. It would be puppets galore.
Oh my goodness, my dogs are going to bark in a second. Then I need my mouse cursor. Sorry. I'm getting so confused.
Yeah. Anyway, it took a lot of convincing for him to actually do it because if his connection was Star Trek. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Lens layers. Lens layers. Yeah.
Yeah. Where are the lens flares in the beeps? Yeah. Where are they?
That's, I can know what it's a G-T-T-verse, Star Trek or G-T-verse, so it was. But with JJ, his writing team comes in and even his old two, his composer, he actually has his own composer and he came in, but he refused to do the music because of John Williams. He was like, no, you, I'm not being responsible for the person who fucks the scroll up with my music that is not John Williams. I'm not having that on my head.
Well, and we were saying just before, like, you've got to have the classic Star Wars music as it goes. Like, that is the thing that gives you a bubble in your tummy. Yeah. 100%.
Like, and I was, I can remember sitting in the sitting and being like, okay, I'm now watching a proper Star Wars film. Yeah. I'm excited. This is actually the first film I've ever, Star Wars film I've ever seen in the cinema.
I've never watched any other one, any other one, this is the only one I've ever watched. It's extreme. Yeah, I do remember being taken to watch the pre-cores and because I have a painting of myself in an attic, I of course watch the original in the 70s, 80s. Yeah, right.
Of course. I was dragged up on Star Wars, literally dragged up on it and it was imprinted quite quickly with a lot of action figures and my very own onion falcon. Yeah, so it was the Star Wars LEGO, my brother Jack had Star Wars LEGO, and I can remember being like, oh, this is all I want to do. This is his play with your Star Wars LEGO.
And then I was like, oh my god, I remember the, the holiday LEGO special of Star Wars came out. Yeah, that was so much fun. That trip, because they have the wookiee tree in LEGO, and it's so good. It's such a good set.
Oh, I really enjoyed it. So yeah, JJ comes along with a lot of people, a lot of decent writers and his writers, really, you talk about fan service. It's not just a case of like, there was, because there was a lot of comments about a new hall and a walk away, because it's very much like a brother of your new hall. Yeah.
Okay, I'm actually okay with that. But it was more to do with the inside things, which I will like dip in and out of, because I have so many. For example, Finn's name, FN2187 refers to Princess Leia's cell in a new hall, and also for short film called 2187, which was an early influence on George Lucas when he started creating Star Wars. And I think it's moments like that, you think, oh, this is a film that has been made with love.
So like, because I think the biggest fear when you hear that something's been sold to Disney, you think, oh, it's going to be just like, it's going to become a bit soulless. But I think the benefits of it is you get, you can pick whatever writers you want. So of course you pick the writers who love this thing with like, a fanatic. See, I never had that worry because Disney had had power rangers at some point.
So I was kind of very happy that they would have a fandom and they would have a little bit and then maybe sell it off. Yeah. Boy, had they not sold it off. Boy, you're definitely not going to sell it off now.
You know, I think it's one of their biggest hitters after marvellas, isn't it? Yeah, I would say it's off for sure. Fantastic TV series, that was well. For me, like where it's gone with things like the Mandalorian Boba Fett.
I'm all for watching Boba Fett have his like retirement plan. It's the most exciting retirement plan in the galaxy. Anything I would ever want to see it or need to see it? But I'm all clear with that.
Disney, I've given me things that I've never needed. But I can't ever buy them now. They are. Yeah.
I've already given them. We didn't ask for them kind of thing. And there was another one as well. Do you know what?
I picked so many, I should have grouped them all together because there are so many influences from, it is from a new hope that have kind of been placed in here. But what I want to talk about and what we are here to celebrate is the women of this movie. I'm going to make it very clear. I have a lot of love and affection for this movie.
But some things that I might say might quite predict myself. So it's not a perfect film. You can love it and it not be a perfect film. That's okay.
That's okay. It's more to do with rear for me than anything else. Yeah. Kicking off with rear.
Yeah. I have alternative castings. Bold. Actually.
It's easy. I think it's just sweet. Well, the first one who they really wanted was Elizabeth Olsen. Oh.
And when she was in the process of going through her audition for Scarlet Witch and she was like, ah, don't really want to drop out because it would have been dropped out without the process of auditioning for this. And she was nearly towards the end and then obviously Edavell Tran comes out with the same year as this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so there was Elizabeth Olsen.
I would not have been happy with this, even though I liked her. But I wouldn't be happy with this one is Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, no. I don't, also controversial.
I can't, like I like Elizabeth Olsen. I can't see her in a cell was film. No, I don't. It'd be weird.
And if I can, I can see her doing like the sick bounty hunter type character. Yes. Rather than like the Jedi. Yeah.
Because I think there is like, especially if you're coming in as the Jedi hero, there's got to be like a level of innocence. Yeah. That is like genuine. And I feel like Elizabeth Olsen is too savvy for me to be a Jedi.
Yeah. I totally agree. There's two of the names I don't actually recognize. Aysa Gonzalez and Charlene Woodley.
I don't recognize them to at all. But if Jennifer Lawrence was in this movie, it would have been a lot of film expressions. Yeah. Yeah.
I love that as Katniss. Like I do, I do. Yeah. But she does have dumb face, rest in dumb face.
Yeah. I kind of love her for the rest of dumb face. It works on my games. Again, I can't see her being, can't see her being cast as a Jedi again.
No. And to go on and have that storyline? She couldn't carry it. And Daisy's kind of, and as much as I have my, my issue is with Ray as a character, I don't have my issues with Daisy Riddley as an actress.
I think she's great. And I kind of liked the, she's a touch-punch in this. Yeah. And I actually really loved that because I was like, of course she is.
She's been surviving on her own on a planet that is like where you have to be tough. Yeah. Yeah. It's like scraping a living since she was a child by herself.
Of course she's like hard and... This is something that she's not, there's no subtleness to her at all. I really focused on her performance, like, and her as a character to the dear, because I wanted to, I have this in my head that, you know, it's very, I don't want to like, using this term in this term, and I'm so sorry, but Mary Sue. Yeah.
There is a few moments in there that can kind of spark that. So I was like, I'm going to have a look at her, taking that element out of it. And you're right, she would need to be as tough as nails. Like she is dealing with someone like the scummy of the scum scum.
And she would have to be tough, but there's certain aspects to her character that, when she, when she's running and been grabbing her hand instead of seeing, get off my hand, she yank them away. Don't want to see anything. Yeah, can we have push them? But I, there are some lines that don't feel like natural.
I like, agree completely. And there are moments, for me, it's the moments of like early interaction between her and Kylo Ren. Just really uncomfortable. I had the moments to start a thousand fun things.
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is that, but it's just like, to start with, it's just a bit like, and I think maybe it's worse knowing where it's going. Like, because now, because before I can't remember being like, oh, this is, this is actually like horribly toxic. And I'm not sure I like this.
Yeah, a bit Bergstrom. But I didn't mind the telling Finn to don't touch me. That I felt was relatable. I wish you didn't tell him all.
This is the thing that this is what I don't get. Like the dawned. Don't tell people that this woman is strong. Just show it in her actions.
She has so many moments where she could like that is shown, because she's climbing up the inside of whatever that shoot, like elevator shaft. Yeah. Yeah. Stark in the base.
Like, there's always a massive, why is there always a massive shoot? It means like, in period. It was like, there wasn't a massive. Yeah, yeah.
That's part of it. They just have to be some sort of tunnel, like vertical tunnel. I don't know what the right word is. It's quite enough.
But yeah, and there's like moments, you know, where she's fighting Kylo Ren. I love the lightsaber back at the end. You've got like, that's why you come to Star Wars. It's for a really decent lightsaber battle.
That. Oh, thank you. I know I was going to say, for me, one of the things that I hated when I first saw it, and I still hate now, and I love this film, but it's Kylo Ren's lightsaber design. It's just so...
It's so... It's so... It's so impractical. Like, he would have burns or like, he'd be losing fingers like that in center.
Do you know what's going on there? Especially with the tantrums that he has. Like, I'm surprised that he actually has any fingers, finger the thumbs left. Yeah, yeah.
It was designed purely for the toys they could have made out of it. Oh my son. 100%. And also, I think they were like, this is what the boys...
Like, we've got a girl Jedi, so we have to really go in and like, peel to the boys. And it's like, oh, I don't know if you've hit the bear on the head there. It's the only saver as well that burns the crackles. Yeah.
The chitro is a shake in effect because it mirrors his rage. Yeah. So, and I like that aspect of it. But yeah, it's...
It's definitely, it doesn't look too bad, but practically in a fight, it looks like it would... Especially the bottom part. They would get in the way of him, not somebody else. Yeah.
It's something that designed for it to make his life harder, which seems bad choice for weapon. Also, I don't mind the look of it, and this is where I get really nerdy. It's the law behind that... Why is it crackling?
Because it really is... That's probably a sign of a bad being made like this over a bit. Yeah, 100% of that stuff. Really?
Yeah, so it shouldn't do that. The reason it's red is because they're artificial kyber crystals, because the Sith aren't allowed, you know, they don't have access to the pure Jedi. So they have created version. Yeah, so the red is the synthetic.
And then I'm like, the only reason that you're like, it's a crackle like that is because it's broken. So what's he done? Like, is he like... What I imagine has happened is he's been sitting there going, I'm going to show Granddad.
I'll be just like Darth Vader, and he's in his bedroom, like modifying his lightsaber. This all look cool. I think more shafts. That is 100% my head count.
That's 100%. And that's... And I've always seen that. I thought, oh, that's what this feels like.
It's like, oh, I'm going to dress like grandad. Yeah. It's weird. I do...
I've got to say, I do love the aesthetic. I do love the mask. I do love the cool... The mask, I love the mask.
Yeah, I'm very much for it. Everyone of your main cast, your three main cast, are all masked before they are seen. Yes. Three has one, Finn has one, and Tyler has one.
So here's a question. What did you think about Kylo being unmasked during the film? Because often the bad... The baddies and stars don't get unmasked until right at the end.
If you were going to fall when Grandfather's footsteps, you'd keep that bad ass on. Yeah, and also so much creepier with it on. The minute you see his face, I feel like you lose it, some of his intimidation. Because it's largely Adam Driver.
He's adorable. He's so adorable. He's so lovely. And also, I don't you ever see him in girls before this?
So I was fully in love with him already. Yeah. I don't remember having a problem. I don't remember seeing him in anything before this.
Oh, he's so good as you. But then again, 2015 was when I was just coming off ships. I'd only been home a year properly, so I had it caught up in like four years' representation. So...
This is your introduction to pop culture again. It's a bit of images, yeah. Just re-inreductory, that's cool. And he's also really good in Nair Black Handsman.
Yeah, very funny. Very, very funny film. But I love how he has such a sense of humor when it comes to the Star Wars franchise. He's SNL's sketches of being some of the funnier...
About the radar technician, I love that. You know, so he's opening monologue where he attacks the nerds. But he's trying to come across as cool. Like, I'm cool, I'm approachable.
I'm a really nice guy. Like... I love them. But he's such a force as well.
Like, literally, and I'm using that word quite a lot in this episode. But he is such a poor girl. Presence. He's a presence though.
So to take the mask off, you're absolutely right. It kind of like, oh, could we not have waited until later? Yeah, he also does something interesting with his voice. Whenever he's unmasked, oh, that's what I noticed is up until the final lightsaber battle, he's very softly spoken.
It's not until he kills his dad that you ever really hear him raise his voice without the mask on. And again, I don't know if that's like a deliberate choice or not, because it feels like there are two Kylo Ren. You get the Kylo Ren with the mask and you get Ben Solo, like, damage child who is putting on the mask as well. So, and if that's a conscious choice, it's very cool.
If it's just like a happy accident, it's an odd choice, but I'm here for it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what I'm just thinking?
You know, like a little thing in my brain. Um, what would have been a perfect opportunity to keep them completely masked the entire three movies? But at the end, you know, when he takes them at night to Ren? That would be the best.
That would be the best. Such an epic, unmasking moment, because it's truly the final betrayal, and the final, like, changing sides. Yeah. Showing them literally is, you know, taken off the costume, taken, because to him, if he is a completely idolizing his grandfather, he's doing it from the static point of view, like the look and everything.
So to completely, like, just rob at that point, that would have been so powerful. It'd been powerful. I agree. 100%.
It would have been powerful. Yeah. And there's part of me that's like, maybe it's a missed opportunity to, like, for him to have taken his mask, because it takes it. He takes it off really quickly.
Yeah. Yeah. But I think, why don't you take off your mask then? And he's like, no chair.
Why don't you do it? I think it's a choice of the actor that they chose. They wanted to show off purposely. I think that's kind of where, if that's why I think they do, he does take the mask off, because obviously they do take it off, because I don't think they really kind of have.
Well, they have two actors that you have made are in the costume and the voice. Yeah. So I think, yeah, it's a bit of a complicated one, because I don't actually have a problem with him being on masks. I've got something.
I don't actually mind that choice they made. But, and you're right, if we're going to look at him, let's look at him. Yeah. Yeah, if you've got him, that's what I really think of it until right this moment.
And then it does, it seems like it's such a missed opportunity to kind of enforce, you know, the character, the person he's trying to be. Yeah. Yeah. I, oh, I can't.
And it's all about, oh, sorry, no, Gary, I was going to segue into something completely different, which is like, oh, yeah, I was going to try and get the same. You do yours. Really? Because I was thinking really the only person who does it.
It's interesting that we're literally so doing all wrong in my eye. I was so happy after this movie, because we didn't just get the typical re-emergentised, Kyle immersion is we got plasma merchandise, and did I stock up hard? Also, cool. That shiny, stawty vibe.
So cool. Love it. What's such a wasted character in the end? Like, in this part, in here, I'm totally fine with it.
And she has one of my favourite moments when they talk about, is there a trash compactor? Yeah. And she almost does, like, you know, when a dog looks at you, until it's a tidd, she almost does that. Word?
I think it's a real achievement to be able to make a treeper helmet, like, expressionful. Yeah. Like, she really emotes through the armour, and I'm here for it. I know, grass as well, really, isn't she?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pro-up a grass fin up straight away. Yeah. We're not trained for loyalty, because they are, but not that kind of loyalty.
No. I actually, before we, I was meant to say this before we segued, I actually have the, there's only one other person that was considered for Kylo Ren. Ooh, okay. I don't know how I feel about this name, because I think he, it wouldn't have totally changed the tone.
You wouldn't, because the cast, I feel the cast works because they're all around the CMEH group. This would have completely changed that dynamic. Michael Fazpender. Oh, no, I'm not into it.
Oh, no. I could see him as the, what's his face, the Starkiller-based general, and he's played by one of the, one of the Weasleys, what's his name? Oh, um, Hux, Hux. Hux, yeah, yeah, yeah.
General Hux, I could, 100% me see Michael Fazpender doing that role. Very much so. I love Tom Elgley's and In This Mind. It's, it's very easy.
He's such a easily brand man. He's really good. Yeah, he looks fantastic. Like, and I know his uniform is heavily influenced on a, not for design, but it works.
That's a bit of old fashioned Roman. Yeah. And that speech he gives, it's very dictated the ship issue. Yeah, he's a good choice.
I love the tug of war between him and Kylo Ren as well, throughout all of these films, that kind of, like, jocks of links for power that they do, so good. Yeah, because there's been other talks I hadn't on. Oh, very surface. Well, I mean, the Empire, it's like, yes, there are other people in the Empire who have some power, but it is a sick thing, isn't it?
Yeah, you're gonna get overwhelmed by them regardless. Yeah. If you have a problem with that, go join the Republic. Yeah, maybe.
Maybe. The, yeah, that Michael Fazpender won, it wouldn't, it wouldn't. I think the Republic of the cast was different, and all that. Yeah.
But no, I can't see it at all with the characters and the ages that we've got. I just wouldn't work, it would be, it would be really creepy, I can't. Yeah, yeah. I could try to think about that.
I don't want those eyes. Yeah, no. And you tried to cut into me that that's Harrison Ford's son. Almost looks about the same age as him.
No. No. Even though he doesn't at all. Even though he doesn't at all.
I think they did well at Adam Driver, it's like, again, aesthetically, he just looks, he looks the ship, he looks the part. Yeah. And I feel, this isn't his best film in this trilogy for me. Like, I feel like with each film, yeah, it's better and better.
And by the end, you're like, no one else could be you. No one else could be Kylo Ren. I was so looking forward to him taking on the Knights of Ren until he did the whole, come on. Like, you did the whole, come and get us.
I was like, ah, stop. I did, but there's a scene in that final bit where he's like running and he's just like running and just shooting someone. And he's just so actually in that moment, I think I've watched that clip quite a lot, because he's just like very, it's like very, it feels a bit born identity almost. It's like, I remember seeing the vibe.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just want to go back to Rhea for a second.
Because I'm trying to work through my problems with her. Because I did kind of, I did kind of agree with my husband with the whole, she was maybe Jedi, she shouldn't be able to do all of this. But there is some moments in there where you can see things are starting to unlock and to open up. And, you know, the force is awake in her.
And you see them kind of warm. I just think we saw it a little bit too soon, especially when she's sitting in the chair. And she does the Jedi mind trick. Yeah.
That was too, that was way too soon. She shouldn't have been able to figure, she shouldn't have been able to figure out that she knew she could do that. Do you agree? Yeah.
100%. Yeah. I do and I don't. So I think that, so there's something I really like, is that she starts to unlock things really quickly, because she's following Kylo Ren's lead.
So it's not until she has the force used on her that she starts to understand it herself. So there's something about her being exposed to the force, that it feels like that's exactly the right time for her to start to unlock things. What I would have liked to have seen is for her to witness Kylo Ren doing that. Yeah.
And then that would have been believable to me, because it's like, oh, she's figured out how to do that. The thing I don't like is kind of like, when she reunites with him, he's like, how did you get here? And she's like, I don't know. It's hard to explain.
It's like, no, no, no, no. That's the wrong vibe. Like the vibe should be, oh, fuck, I think I'm a Jedi. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah. Like, because it makes her feel a bit dumb. And I don't think as a kid, like, he doesn't match the rest of her character. So I think if you're going to have that awakening, like, let's make it a really conscious character.
Exactly. She's been with him. Like, this is the first person she's probably spoke to properly in God knows how long she has such a, and I love the connection between them two. I love how instantly they are, you know, kind of bonded together, especially when she gets taken away by him, Kylo.
And you see him. That's a gutural scream coming from him trying to get to her. So there is, and I like that element because, of course, he knows, he knows only what he is being brought into and brought up with. She knows nobody.
Yeah. So I get that connection straight away. I get how they kind of like bonded together. Go and keep secrets from them.
Yeah. It was the wrong move. She tells them how long she tells them. Jack shit.
Yeah. But that is where she then leads very much into the Mary Sue Aslak. And that's why I have problems with this character, because she is, she is that, she thinks she can take on the world by herself. And there are other characters around that can offer quits of you or assists or things like that.
And yeah, it's one of the things that I really can't stand about this film. Though I love the film. It's moments like this. Yeah.