I'm one of your hosts. I am one of your hosts. I've just walked up and put monsters on for a second. What?
I pressed the wrong button. Yes, and I'm on the worst ball. It's a very one-star. It's a one-star.
It's a one-star. It's a lovely picture of the next episode of monsters. It is the faculty. The faculty.
I'm on the first one. Absolutely stunning. Did everyone hear the intro? Are we good?
Yes, I'm on the worst ball. I do it. So I've fucked up already. That's what type of chaos and organisation it is.
I was not impressed with the wrong thing. I was like, why is it blue? But anyway, tonight is a special night. We have our Stephen King mistresses with us.
We've got the wonderful Dehilarious. They have a growing stand-up comedian that is our young horn that is Kelly. Young horn. Alright.
And she is the funny expert and the lover of a not-ear-phone. It's so true. It's so true. Just laughing at Christus Pateleff in the chat as well.
And we are joined by the Giamen mistress herself, the lovely Lady of Horror, the person that scares you on Twitch, we are Sonya, the purple head. I'll go see you one bad for some reason. I'll check all by. You might have called you the King Correspondence.
Yes. I love that. You're a King Correspondence. Have you been a Duke King?
We're going to do it with you guys. Sorry, ladies. I've been trying to find out. Don't let's try the fun.
Oh, you've been a friend now, Kelly. Yes. So we are joined tonight because we did set ourselves a little bit of a task. And let's be honest, there's only one of us that's completed that task.
So well done, Kelly. Well done, Kelly. So we thought we'd read the monstrous book that was Stephen King's It. I'd probably just give up first.
I think I did. Sonja, just an interesting treasure. I'm not going to read it. I've read it before and I was like, you know what, I could read it again, but I'm not going to.
I'm good. It destroyed me last time. Yes. And I give up probably about two, three weeks ago.
I give up around about the same. I think we kind of both went, yeah, this is not working for us, is it? It was hard, not because I wasn't enjoying it. Well, the first few chapters were difficult, but again, we'll get into that.
So, so do you want to lay out the disclaimer? I was most certainly well. Everything discussing today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, I'm coming to join us on the Facebook page.
You can join us in the Discord or the comment section where we can have an open discussion. But what we want to have is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong because we can all agree to you. Disagree in fandom. So let's keep it fun.
Keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior of notism. Very much so. Yes. Well said.
Yes. Thank you. I think it's quite apt for this type of subject as well, because there's a lot of different opinions and I think we're saving King. Being so big and looking online as well, the book and the movies and everything have quite a diverse reaction.
People don't. It's not a it's like a marmite reaction as well. Not either one. But I really love it.
Then there's people that really hate it. And there's people that either love aspects, but then here are the aspects of it. So it's quite quite a difficult one to kind of pin down at the same time as well. But yes, I have now, I know that we, the idea of today's episode is to look at the book is to look at the movies is to look at the TV series.
What I want to get out straight away is the taglines just to kind of like set this all out. So for the mini series, you're every fear all in one deeply. Let's start that again, shall we? Every fear all in one deadly enemy.
Oh, that kind of is in a world. From the King of Terror, a chilling dimension in horror. I like that one. The mini series ones are so good.
And they float. And when you're down here with me, you'll float to. And the last one for the series is the master of horror unleashes everything you were afraid of. The movies, the movies should have really taken a cue from the mini series because there's is you'll flow to.
Yeah. Okay. It took many. It took many forms.
That's the taglines. Yeah, the two taglines for the movies. That's it. The fourth movies, the other taglines mini series wins on taglines.
The movies were sold on very simple, thin porsers and images kind of. Very visual. Yeah. Yeah.
Let's just get some guys sit on the toilet. Come up with a tagline. We've got these. We're working.
Yes. I know we'll talk about like each thing individually as well. What was your first for a or first? I kind of like laid into the world.
I'm not Stephen King because that's a different question. To the Pennywise, the dancing clown was at the book was at the original. I'm sure that was I think was short on Sky one back in the 90s in the UK. Or was it the Ray me the movies that came out and I think it's still the second biggest horror movie of all time.
The second was first. Six cents. Oh, okay. Six cents is a good fucking movie though.
Yeah. Mine was the TV series and I didn't have Sky. You'll remember this from my West Simpsons podcast. That was so cool.
I didn't have Sky. I was cool. So I had to sleep over to friends and her parents had it on VHS and we watched the VHS and I remember after the fact seeing really weird. I was obsessed with the film Donnie Darko and there's a scene where his mum's just sitting reading it and I just remember thinking, you know what, maybe it's time I read it.
So I bought it. I read it. So I did TV, then books, then the film. Very cool.
Wow. Are you going? I was...Yeah, Tim Curry was always my Pennywise and I had a bit of a crush on it. I didn't get like he was scared ever.
He was like, I'm just looking. I don't look at things here. I didn't get dressed up as a clown anytime. It did get dressed up as a clown one Halloween.
He was shit to the clown and I was shit. I lost my skin because I was wearing a jumpsuit. I was just muscles. I mean.
Do you do too? Yeah, so I've always had a bit of a thing for what I didn't carry. Even when he's in the Muppets Treasure Island, I'm like, what are you doing? I get that.
I get that. And it's just, the fact that he can be so, as a clown, Halloween, yet he's got that charisma, he's got that spark. You know what I mean? Because it's just, he's, he's, I will have all worship at Tim Curry down at the ground.
But yeah, as a kid, it was one of those things where, it was on a VHS, I wasn't meant to watch it. And they put it on, I watched it, and I was like, oh my God, loved it. I absolutely loved it. And obviously, kind of recognized some of the kids in it as well.
She got like Jonathan Brandes and stuff like that. And I remember there was a poster on me, Sister's Wall of him. So it was very, like, of the 90s. I read the book about 10 years ago.
And I think in one of our previous days, Stephen King episodes, I mentioned that I'd start reading it and there was a fucking balloon in the yard. Oh yeah, you're in the picture. Yeah, fucking balloon in the yard. It was like, I've got a floss.
I've got a floss. But I read it, and then I've watched the more recent films. Recently. But I have actually re-listened to it, which was 44 hours long.
Yeah. And it has hit warm. It has hit differently from the first time that I read it. There was a lot of things where I was just like, I can't fucking remember this.
But then again, it is an absolute tour of the book, the huge, it's a lot better. I think that's quite interesting as well, because I read the book. It's such a good musical. It's such a good musical.
It's such a good musical. I remember reading it when I was at school. Because again, being a weird Aedes kid, and seeing the Martin 4, it's like the, a lot of people have arguments in it. TV shows are really, it's like a near-for-TV special.
That's probably the best way to describe it. But I'll talk about that in a second. So I'm interested in some of what was your first interration? It wasn't that long.
I've never been interested in Pennywise. It didn't really for Lord my board. I'm happy. I just, Stephen King's always been kind of a bit of an enigma to us.
I think I went over this one week to the Shine. The Shine was the first even King book that I read. And that was only last year because every time I've gone to pick it up, I just, I didn't quite get him. So my first time being introduced to it on TV was in 2013.
My memory started with me right. I was definitely living in my flat. So it must have been around about that time. And, and since I've seen it, I've never seen it, which is a normal conversation for me.
I've seen it. So we sat and watched it and I was just kind of, oh, okay. This has some levels. This is quite like lit.
And I've tried since 2013 to read the book unsuccessfully, each time, even on this occasion, when Paul sent me the challenge, I give up. And for one, for no other reason, then I've read King, since the shining, I have been the shining doctor's sleeve, Pet Semetry, the green mile, and then I jump straight into it and it's been one after the other. And I felt such a disconnect between Kings writing in it. Then I did in all of the rest of them.
I knew who I was reading in the rest of, and the other ones. I could feel that Stephen King vibe and I completely got such a disconnect. When I picked this book up that I actually stopped it. I have kind of persevered because when I've been writing my notes for this, I'm kind of like, oh, let's just go back to the book.
Let's get an idea. I do keep trying to give it to the try. I am now past all the difficult parts of the beginning. I'm in with the kid, like I'm the kid.
For me, it's when I got to Ben Hanscom and his stories. He writes Ben beautifully. That writing style of Ben is sore. It transcends into the books that I've just read of how, how like Pet Semetry, I love the felt through Pet Semetry.
The Pet Semetry by far is my favorite Stephen King book that I've read. And yeah, I just, I was like, oh, I can get this from him. Then maybe I can stick with Ben and it'll be okay. So I am halfway through.
I am pedaling through. I'm going to do because I can't, not now. So for me, I think I've alluded to where I kind of got obsessed because similar to what Sonia mentioned, because again, a little flashback to the Simpsons episode. My grandparents used to, because I didn't have Sky, but they used to live in a flat where like, like, if there was a flat in someone had Sky.
So for some reason, everyone in that kind of building had Sky and it was sort of like, it was so 19. So they used to record the Simpsons every week, every Sunday and the, and the way you're on a Saturday and you see a video tape and you're scrolling, streaming on a, and granddolly, I used to have a video tape with what they recorded. And I'm watching the Simpsons episode was like coming next week, Stephen King adaptation Pennywise dancing crown is coming to your screen. You saw like beep, beep, richina.
I was like, what the fuck is this? And kind of like the advertisement, like the trailers for it was kind of, and, and of course it was probably 90 style adverts as well. So very much sky TV. So I was like, right, we'll have to watch that.
So I beg and dad, asking grandparents to take it for us because it was over two nights. It was on a Sunday and a Monday night. So the second part was on the Monday. I don't think there were two of them because of the subject matter and stuff.
And I think at the time, I was very much below the threshold of the youth, shall we say. I'm watching it. It literally was one of the scariest things I've seen. Like I've put this up with Jaws as a thing that's creaking me as a kid, because Jaws is the scariest movie you will ever say as a child.
I don't care what you say that'll torment you and making not go in the water. So I watched that and I was obsessed with the first half. And I think when we get into the conversation, like the second half, it takes it away and again, the joke, the music, the joke in this movie as well, because I can say the Billy character is kind of like the Stephen King. He doesn't know how to finish the story.
And it's kind of like, that's where this kind of always struggles with. So watch that. And then I moved on to the book and I read the book and I don't think I understood a lot of the complexity in the book as a child. Right.
And kind of just like glossed over a certain lot of stuff and just went, oh, this is the bit I remember from the TV show. And then I was like, I'm enjoying it. And then tried to listen, tried to read it again. As you said, the first few chapters, because we'll try to discuss the book a little bit now.
The first few chapters are such a slog and the book shouldn't be like that at the start. And again, and all. I kept on having to remind myself of the language and the tone terms and stuff that was used in the book, and especially in the audio was quite ferocious to hear. It's like, it's very much of the time.
It's not now. It's like, it was brought back when it was based in a time in a place in America where that kind of language and stuff would have been commonplace. And I was like, but I think not saying being soft or more sensible, it's like knowing now, it's kind of like, it shouldn't have been so intense or so used sort of with like, I'm not saying it wasn't used without care because he probably did put in for an effect and for a reaction. When it probably had the opposite reaction to me where I was kind of like, this is kind of stopping me from moving past these parts.
And I know the first chapter in the book is basically when you watch the remake now it's kind of like the first, the first start of the second film. It's just so brutal and the way he writes it as well because King always does data, but he does data well to the mind where you feel everything. I was like, Oh, God, this is too. This was this was horrifying to read, but it was at the point where it wasn't comfortable at the same time.
And I think I don't know if that was just my feeling towards anyone felt. I totally get what you're completely. I think it's intentional though, isn't it? Yeah.
Like, I'm going to jump out to the theme because you know what I'm like, I'm terrible. I mean, I mean, Pennywise is the big bad, right? But like the people of the town are just as fucking bad. Like that's the whole point is they are evil, horrible people.
The bullies aren't just bullies. They're murderers. Like, yeah, it's the worst of the worst in this tiny society. And I think that's reflected in the language use.
It's not Stephen's language. It's the language of the people. I mean, if you were a kid in that society, what can chance have you got to know? Absolutely not.
Yeah. That's why it's that's why the genius of when they leave, they leave Derry behind completely their mind, like is able to completely block it out in a no. You could correct this if I'm wrong on this one, but when even when they're adults after they've done the defeat at the end of the book, they even leave and they start to lose their memory again from each other of the events. And I'm not sure if it's ever been a success of everything that's happened.
So Derry has that kind of effect on them, but I totally get what Paul's saying. I felt there was detail for detail sake upon detail upon more detail. And it just was that's not what I've just read. He's very good at describing things, but this is deep.
This is so, so much detail. And don't get around the Adrian Melon stuff. Oh, that was it. And then I knew what you're expecting away because of the second movie and I'm glad that they show that side of Derry because obviously that plays a factor into the story in the book.
It's probably harder to read it than it was to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. The reading of it is just fucking the most common word in my notes is heroin.
This is this is the Stephen King book you put in the freezer. Yeah. Literally. The famous because I've been with the work times where I was like, I can't fucking listen to anymore here.
But what I just find so strident is that a lot of the stuff what we've said is quite dated the slang and the racist slang that's used in the excerpts from the 50s in books just make it cringe. But you just think, yeah, that is something of the time a little bit bit cringey once the baby pea off me skiddin' eat it. But you know, we'll just understand that it's the 50s. You know, that's what he's being true by what words used to be used.
But what gets me is the fact that this former forbic hate crime happened in the 80s. Yeah, it's not out of place now. Yeah. Yeah.
A lot of people were able to like super like super important in their modern day and it really felt legit. I think that's why it felt harder as well. It's like, God, this was brought back when we're supposed to be moved past this now. And it feels like we haven't really gone past like that far or far enough where like say now it seems to go backwards if we're going to talk about current climates which is scary enough.
But I think that's why we were a struggle. But then when you're reading the book, when it gets into like the individual characters and this is where I kind of become alive again in the stories because we know these characters and if I've watched a movie or seen like something where before I read the book, I can then picture and imagine what the characters look like, what the kind of sound like and it kind of gives you that kind of voice and seeing them having a bit more death. Like, I love the death to give Stanley and even though that story was hard, but they're like standing in his wife that kind of more felt a bit more special and felt a bit more personal because Stanley's kind of like the forgotten character in the movie and maybe sure he's kind of just there. And hopefully and as well like you don't realize how much of a character he is and you read the book and like as an adult he's a fully fledged character, but I'm sure it's just like he's gone.
But this is why in the movie and something I don't quite agree with because it doesn't make any sense if you've read the book watch a mini series even watched him do it at the beginning of the film. The letter at the end is a way of giving Stanley his side of things because he doesn't get a chance to have his own chapter within the movie, even though reality is he would never have been able to write that letter. He got the phone call. He went to the bathroom.
He did what he did. He didn't have a chance in between that time to go and do that. It's like the idea that they give Stanley that explanation, that part, because I did go back Kelly on when we sat and talked about it, I did go back and read his wife's chapter again. And it's after speaking to you, it kind of like I appeared more attention to because I am literally at this point just trying to get through these phone calls and like why should I be interested in what's that something's not even in this.
It was nice to see, you know, to know Stanley as the adult that he did turn out to be and the life that he was leaving behind. Because that really hits that particular chapter I find really difficult to read, but it's one of my favorites because it's so drawn out. It's so like focused in on his wife's perspective and the idea that you know, you don't know what you kind of know you're going to see something you don't want to see, but you don't know what you're going to see. And that just that eke, you know, of curiosity, it just comes through the page and what gets us when I read it, I see Stan in the 1990s version, I see it's not going to go up yet, you know what I mean.
And I just think I love how they had that in because it paid a little bit of when I look at these three things, I say that each one pays homage to each one in different ways. And that's good, like a kind of one makes up for the downsides of another sort of thing. I wouldn't kind of say, well, I just love the boat. I like them for what they are.
It's almost like a dream. Yeah, like a spectrum. Yes. Actually, I watched a couple of videos today, and a few of them have been like, which is better, the original or the film, they've not mentioned the books any of them.
But after like watching one after I was like, why is this even a discussion? Like it shouldn't be, which is better to be, which bits are adapted best and I think also have different elements adapted better. Yeah. 100%.
I'm glad you brought up. It's been on the same wavelength though. That's as well. Again, just one about the book side and top of the characters.
When I enjoyed it, I don't think there's any way you could have done it unless you did like a full like a 22 episode season. Like it gives all the backstories of not just the left area and the court successful. It gives you the like the journey that they went on, like standing, joining a practice, how the family thought, oh, he's a nobody didn't want his wife to think she believed in him. He worked his way up and it's not just the left area becomes successful.
The old bus that they asked us and worked hard. It's like Ben went away and designed like these buildings and people think these buildings are going to work. The building and we got awards and become like award winning buildings. BBC did the BBC building.
Did the baby. The baby. Yeah, like the Beverly Marshall story, how she left, she become like a fashion designer and started getting into the clothing and then met. Other half I don't even want to call it the partner.
Other half who saw her potential, the advantage of that potential and the world. That element was in the boot. I was like, that's the meat on the bone that I'm enjoying that. You can only get from a boot because you try to do this in a film.
The film, like at the moment, it's a four hour film anyway with two parts. If you try to do that, it's going to be a six hour. Yeah, it's not a verse type thing. I thought that Pennywise, which again, I know we got, as I said, the elements to it where we got the two part of all the TV special.
I think if you want to do this accurate or where everyone's going to, like everyone who's a fan of the boot to be happy with what they're saying, they're going to have to do like any episode or a 12 episode TV TV special where it's like one season and done, where you get everything in because it's so rich and so thing. One thing I did want to ask before we start talking about like the movies and stuff. I still to this day, I don't understand it. And I was talking to somebody before.
What the fuck's the deal with the turtle place. So what is playing the, I can explain it sort of. It's part of the matter of us. It's part of the matter of us because it's all connected, right?
So it's like it's linked to the dark tower. And it's like the original, I can't remember what's called the oldest being. It's like maternal, something like that, created both Pennywise as we know it and the turtle and one was benevolent. Someone was creation and one was sort of evil and destruction both existed together.
Pennywise managed to sort of split it up with the universe was born through sickness. Basically, I think the turtle spewed us up. He landed on it. He landed on it.
He landed through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the turtle is only briefly mentioned in the book, the one I think I remember when I read the book, I was like, that's just a turtle. It just comes down and I was expecting this big catapult scene with the spider and then it's like turtle.
Michael, I'm going to talk to you about some of the pizza about and stuff like that. Because I was it was it there's a bit where a bill has like a conversation with the turtle when he does the ritual of chut as a child and the turtle says, you need to make sure you've killed it. And he does. And it's just like, oh, that's kind of a tool.
I fucking told. I liked it. Was it the film? Was it the most recent film?
When Ben's in the school? There's a turtle? I'm like, where the world is? The world is like the stuff true in the garden as well.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You can tell Stephen King was on a shitload of corking. It's 30s to me. It was 20s. This was his 22nd book and the 17th book that he did under his own name.
Yeah, he was a busy lad. He probably was in the throes of his cork days at this point. Yeah. Yeah.
To be honest, I mean, yeah, you can totally like say that, you know, with the stuff that bloody hell, you'd have to be on something to, you know, kind of emotionally cope with that. But yeah, the term was a bit random in this ritual of chut where it involved the bite in the tongues, which is not really looked at in any of the films that they mentioned the ritual of church, but that they're really like what in the The most recent film actually does but like twist a little bit. But isn't that where isn't that how when Pennywise started to come up as when humans started to become and he did kind of like go for the lands and yeah, start. So, yeah, I really did appreciate when they brought the church thing into the movie and give it to Mike.
It made so much sense because Mike stayed in Derry and my story in aha. So it made sense for him to have it like can't just be the fucking bill down a rosho like all the fucking door. They'll still rebuild your shit. I love when Eddie was like, you need to stop saying money and because I don't like it when he's still running.
I think that's why the book as well, because it doesn't just focus on one of the like as bill as much as the others like it does give him these like two elements, but it always like say kind of gives the others kind of a lot more busy. It's about them all as a collective rather than them being a main character, which I love. I think one of the things I really love about the book and hadn't realized until I watched the movie in the show and then sort of I've re read bits from the book. It's how little Pennywise isn't it?
Yeah. The class is like he in the book. He's like he appears at so many other things. But in the film, especially it really markets it like the clown is the bad guy.
Actually, no, that's just one of many faces that he shows. The more scary fucking faces to me, the fucking leeches in the fridge. Yeah. I don't want to fucking see.
Leeches in the fridge. You know, you know, and I'm not going to know. I'm trying to film that Jesus. I'm going to look forward to it.
There's definitely been a bit of the bits and the books that I'm glad aren't in the shows and the film. The dog. The dog is the main for me. That was the bit where I had to put the book down.
I've been so physically hurt by something out of it. It wasn't even real life. It wasn't even real. I was I had the flu.
I was in the bath and I remember. I was in the bath for so long. I had it. It was like, I was like shaking.
I remember being like, I knew you'd get out the bath because the trees and call it was fine. And I was like, and what the fuck am I just read? Like it was so just, I've never read to this day. I've never read something so upsetting.
The way that he wrote. It's less than Molly and me. It's literally literally and there's some fucked up shit in the book and there isn't a film in the show as well. But that I don't know what it was about what that particular saint really is.
It's a supernatural being. It's a real person. It's a person doing that. Yeah.
I told you to understand that. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. It's horrible.
So I can prepare myself. I take the second half of the book for sure. So it's interesting that you talk about things that was mentioned in the book that was not in anything that we've seen. So this book is one of more controversial of Stephen Kings for a lot of different reasons.
And there is a, I wonder why there is a part of the book that is infamous. And not on the right ways. I understand what he was going for. Why he was looking to put this in.
In a different way. A hundred percent. Different. I would say agree with it.
But what did you think of the orgies seen? Sorry. Right. He's a thing.
Right. It's fucking vile. Right. Stephen, what are you doing?
Right. But it makes sense in the context of the book. And I never thought I would say this, but it just does. It just doesn't make sense.
I remember again putting the book down to me like what the actual fuck. And I can understand why adults, particularly adults elsewhere in the world. I don't want to be specific. But I can imagine why they were like, no, I'm this book.
That's better. You know, all of that shit. But in the context of the book, each, each kid serves a purpose. And I'm jumping way ahead here, but I genuinely fail all of these children have the shine.
Right. I think they all have elements of the shine. So the journey. Yeah.
Each one of them has a power. He put them as a purpose. And that's what enables them. So Eddie's power is navigation.
He's able to navigate through the sewers. And they're stuck. They're lost after the fight. They're not going to be able to get out and Beverly realizes as horrible as it is that the only way she's going to empower them and keep them together is to create this bond.
And it's consensual. It's her choice. And I don't think it's any worse than the same where I tried to rape her. I don't find consensual sex between yes children.
I don't know why that's viewed worse than adult male care. One of those things is a lot worse than the other. Yeah. That's my thing.
That's my thing. That's my thing. One of these things is not quite the same. I'm in any class that we have this conversation now because I've just seen the fucking comment that Sonya's just put in the chat.
And I need to be distracted by it. Sorry. Not somebody asked. I'm kind of glad I know.
So I'm like, I can have these feelings now. We're not later. I think the term child or she needs to be rethought because it's not like, you know, it's not like how 50 she is great. I think the way the thing it was is did no longer wanted to be children that wanted to be, I lose.
They needed to be adults. Yeah. The innocence in order to prevail further in what they were doing because essentially they are going to end some things like regardless of a human or not. Yes.
We get rid of that innocent side of them in order to do that. And what's what who's in their eyes who are not the innocent ones. It's a fucking adult. I don't understand it.
And I understand the controversial side of it too. Me too. Me too. I can see where he was coming from.
It's not necessarily necessary to the plot, but it makes sense in context of the plot. It's one of those things. But left out out. It wouldn't be missed.
You left it in. It's a talk point, which again true. And he was off his face. So.
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He gives him part of the final battle, is he? Like, in the TV show, but then the movie, he is. Now. Right.
He's incapacitated in theaster. He's an hospital boy. It becomes a he possesses a nurse at the hospital. That he tries to kill Mike because it is this idea that even though they're not united, because he's still there.
That's part of his fight, and we'll be Alibaba. Ok. Versent power to him, from the sewers to over the pages. the most children like their bond is severed like their purpose is served so they're no longer connected so the scene itself serves at the basis to reconnect them and I think that's part of the reason why Stanley and just like he knows he's important he knows he has to be part of it but refuses to be but then also why that's even the hospital is necessary as well because that bond is formed again it's connected whether they're all together or not I think the TV show would stand me more as they afraid side of why you wouldn't want to be there and I think the movie kind of made him is scared because it was a moment where he kind of like you know he stands up to his dad when he's having his bar mitzvah and stuff so they he does have some kind of empowerment in him but in the TV show Stanley is very you get the fear is there there's no you can kind of you can get why Stanley did what he did and I'm good at the stage saw the dead lights yeah he's the only one who saw Will Ben Bill's wife who saw the dead lights isn't he?
yeah he actually saw huh yeah and in the film I like the woman with the woman with the picture like facey space so he literally actually has this like mouth with the dead lights and he's in his proper grill you know what I mean how fucking heroin is that it's not scary I think I think it's like so much of it and it's after a day and just put like a heroin counter in a bottle of quandary I think the word tonight is heroin I think it's a sort of system machine to get paid it's a bag of buses apparently a big bag of quandary I want that heroin oh my god I think it's the snuffler of sugas yeah I want this I love that yeah that's what I'm looking at we're talking about making the TV show and I think yeah well I feel cheap in the bike on the TV show because it's not it's a TV the TV special I think it's easy to direct the living from the kitchen but um the one I love about it as well is I think it gets the friendship side right in the door and the time and is done better because it doesn't jump in with the Georgie scene from the start you get the little uh hide and seek with Pennywise by the girl on the little strike and that's kind of like I think it's still true to the book in a way where it goes back to the phone calls and goes Mike and it's kind of leading all the characters and you're getting to know the characters and feel the characters and and build up friendship and it kind of flows nicely to the story when they're going down in the sewers and you realize why they're going down and the set pieces and again we'll talk about the effects and stuff I have the practical effects are so well done there's only one if he's seen if he's seen in the movie I would see it is the show was seen which is on the floor yeah I like that yeah I think so yeah it looks like it yeah I don't mind it it's it's just like it's it's not when he opens up it's kind of like the little doll Pennywise it's like full size it's kind of like oh yeah it could have been a lot more fun but um Tim Currie like there's a few performances like because I know he was very like when you watch when I talked about this before many moons ago in a monster episode where we talked about Pennywise the clown there's a documentary in a show that he was very hesitant about taking this role because he just done legend I believe and he spent the time in prosthetics and he hates prosthetics so the original fear so Pennywise was a lot different when he was in the chair was like take that off take this away let me he's like and he actually went to the director and stuff and went look I'm a classic actor that you want to see me immortal you want his mouth you want his mouth oh yeah you do but this is what people were singing about him is that you can't you can't hide him carry under prosthetics it's not going to work so I don't know if I'm honestly I tried to look for my nortas we did Pennywise I remember that was a few years ago I think and I can't remember the episode at all I'm really sorry my memory saw by I don't remember my nose but if I remember rightly the only makeup that he like prosthetics he has is from there yeah it was the forehead and the nose really that nose really freaks me out you've used one on one of the posters you know no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no don't do anything like me like me like me like me like me like me like me like yeah I love the makeup on um on this penny don't get us wrong I'm probably gonna see exactly the same what Bill's God I believe it's just it's good you know as good but there's just something so special about this one because it's so it is trying to give you that innocent look it's not it's not trying to make it look evil yeah that's where this Pennywise and again it's a totally different concept and different take on the Pennywise one the new world to the remake but this one it has as as Sun you said uh not Sun you said the charisma of Tim Curry saw you would be drawn to that clown you would be like yeah I want to go and see what the premise is here and since you get to of course the teeth comes out of the references yeah and it doesn't show you too much and I know I've half done about it so many times about movies it's what you don't see you can sometimes be scarier than what you see right on the sun and it's so good especially the georgie scene because the georgie scene in this movie and the remake it's very similar there's very like different things but I think the original has the more fair because it shows you less and you get hi Georgie it's Pennywise the dancing clown I'm your boy Georgie I'm trying to do it I'm trying to do it yeah it's just got a gun down there oh he's got a tree in the bus you blame him yeah that's the whole point like as children you should be like drawn in women I feel like if someone like builds scar scarred appeared in a drain you're like fuck that guy to begin with, gets nastier but there's nothing genuine about the friendliness where he's with Jim Curry. If you know nothing about that movie and you start watching it, you're like, what a wacky cool guy. It's very wise, very wise. Yeah, I'm like, he's so endearing.
And then you're like, oh, fuck, no, he is, he's horrible. But like, it works. I do love how they did it differently in each one in respect to Georgie's fate. So in the mini series and in the book, Georgie is found, Georgie is buried, they know very well instead.
In the movie, it's kind of sick of life. It's an easier way for them and the viewers to understand the weight of and this is a lot of things that play is in the changes from TV series to movie, it's the weight of things and how you explain them. So to have Georgie not there, it's like, you can't bother in limbo. Well, then you need to get to the barons, but you need to get to the barons.
How do you get to the barons? Because they don't, in the movie, they don't go down there in the tv show, they're down there all the time, then the movie, then they're down there. So to get, um, really feel, feel like, it has to be the way of Georgie missing and him having to go down there. He believes that he's been, you know, through the sewers, he's gone down there.
I think that's bad. I prefer the way of the show's did it right. And I don't know if Paul agree with this on this because I think he's the only other person I know that loves this film as much as I do. But there's a scene in the mini series where you see the weight of the loss on build and the way that his parents interact with him really reminds me that it reminds us of Stan by me.
And I don't know if you get up to him vibe, but his brother being cared and the parents being the parents being sort of, and the muscle, he's just like, oh, we've lost our only kid, you no longer matter. It's like that horrible sense of like loss is so strong. It's almost like watching a back, it said it was taught by me vibes. It was almost like, I was waiting for him to say it shouldn't have been, it should have been you.
It should have been you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's because it's again, compared to two, two scenes, they did it in very different ways, but they tried to convey the loss in a different way. They did the one in the modern one in a very modern way where it was kind of like Bill was trying to say, sure, he's dad, see, look, this is what could have happened.
And it's like, just let us on Georgie's dead. We need to move on. We're in the, it's TV show. The parents didn't want to move on.
That they wanted that room to be like, he's right. Yeah, Georgie, it was like, they were forever going to be in that time capsule of, Oh, I did not go on. No, and again, I think that was very much of the time of like, say, I know this was based in the 80s, but at some days early, that was what a family would have reacted to, like a kind of a tragedy because they didn't have support workers or emotional people to kind of do. They would have like not tried to move on.
So I thought that was quite interesting. But as you said, the first one, the first part one of the mini-series had so many vibes to stand by me. Just as I said, the build up, the friendships to how the kids indirectly reacted to each other. It was always going to win when you got Richie Torres, I was suffering as Richie Torres, because that was just was mead for everything.
Yeah, there was a part in the book between the parents that really got me an FL call. I felt so cold. And it's funny to describe and moving night and how we knew these parents like to go again to the end of the other end of the couch to each other. And in the middle of them, were the books was Georgie and Bill.
And now there's just completing a coldness in between that bookshelf and it's just that all, I think I was like two pages long, I had a mix of learning how his parents have completely shifted. It was it was it was it was harrowing. I'm going to use the word. But one thing I haven't discussed as well, that's the first time we've mentioned the cast.
Like like before mentioned to him, Kerry South Green, even the TV show and the newer movies, the fucking cast. Oh, not real. Yeah. But the kids, the kids in the fucking remake, the fucking modern one, fuck me.
I felt like I was watching actual friends, actual the bond, the chemistry. So activism is amazing. Book and Eddie Kasparak, the kid. He is.
Oh, and Jack Dylan Gris. He made me fall in love with the character Eddie. Like he really makes me fall for Eddie so badly. But the one Adam Frazzile, a concierge, who plays him in the original.
I just I was just so sweet and he's so endearing. But then you've got Eddie who's like, just fuck you. Like, oh, I just yeah, I just look. But then I also love the outside the adult side with James Ranscon.
Oh my God, I absolutely love him as Eddie. I think I got when they would announce in the adult cast for part two. The only two people that got right was Bill Heater. Because he's that's really towards her.
Yeah. It's really, it's really towards her. And Jessica Chastien because the look that Sophia Lewis to her is just, it's sort uncanny. And I was like, yeah, definitely Jessica Chastien.
And I just got a DeLorean and just went from fucking just. So I was going to say that films like for me, I love that. And I love John, like I fucking love John Rater, right? More than I know, right?
But the film did something phenomenal that the show could never do, which is have the children genuinely look like they've grown up and be cast as themselves as adults. Like the casting was perfect. But having Seth Green young and then having him be played by somebody who is neither ginger nor wearing glasses makes no sense. Like they changed the character so much that you're like, I don't know who these people are.
Bill looks nothing like Bill. Like the audience. They needed to be in the vault and they're there somehow. Yeah, but like Harry Anderson who plays Richie Tozer in the TV.
He's brilliant as a producer. Attitude wise of Tozer. Like he really does get it. And there's a lot of similarities between Heater's performance and his how they act and interact.
But you are absolutely right. The look is just not there. As in with that. In Wolfheart and Bill Heater, you literally could stand there and do an extra extra thing.
Yeah. The one that gets me will always get me because Ben Hanscom. I know the great, did I say Ben Hanscom? I did say his name.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I love the guy who goes on to play his older part and I love you completely. Yes. He's so funny. He's so funny.
Excuse me. But I love the fact that I'm not. Who plays him in the movie? I can't remember.
I have mixed up my characters. I think it's Jeremy Raitel is the younger one. And it's Jim. I don't know.
I don't know. Give me a minute. I've fucked up me. Let me go on Google.
I've got a laptop right here. All my searches really is eight. That's right. Because I made the mistake earlier.
And I think Sonny nailed it. Like I can't say it any better than what you call it earlier. I was like say people were trying to say which one was better. It's not a better version.
It's just different compiles and a different interpretation. I was trying to think, oh, was this person better as Billy? Was this person better as Beverly? I was like, no, it's just different takes in different times.
Even the new one was setting a different timescale to what the older one does. So the characters were very fit in the time. Like Eddie, all the time, was what a nerd would have been in the late 70s early 80s then. And Eddie from we had in the movie, it was what a nerdy Eddie would be like in the 90s, early going into the 2000s.
He's one of those people that talks around you. I want to be his mate because he's funny. Fin of both houses and as a torsa is an asshole. You would want to be Bill in the country's face.
But people were like that in the 90s. I was probably like that in the 90s. And I've got the name now. So it is J.
Ryan who plays the older one. It is Jeremy Ray Taylor who plays the younger one. And the original young Ben from the TV series is in the TV movie. He is in the conference room with them.
When they're doing a little bit. Yeah. That's my favourite. He's my favourite character.
All this would say before this Eddie. And I think I did on the Pennywise, that's sort of different monsters. Eddie and I still hold that special place for Eddie in my heart. Because I feel like he's such a bum deal.
He's mom and everything. And then obviously he goes on to marry the woman who's exactly like his mom. In the movie, it's actually the person who plays his mom. It's actually is.
Yeah. I thought that was more of a talk. The one character who I kind of, I would love the boot to be able to change my opinion on is Mike. I'm not Mike.
Oh. I love Mike in the boot. Well, this is what I'm hoping this is going to happen. Because I kind of got a little annoyed.
Even with the great Tim Reed playing him in the TV series. It's just this. Yeah. And I see him with staff playing him in the older one.
I just call him the old Spice guy. The old Spice guy. I just wanted him to come on a horse and be like. I'm on a horse.
Do some water. Yeah. I want Mike. I'm hoping Boog Mike's going to be able to change my opinion.
Because I don't want to not like him. I just don't want to. I don't gravitate towards him as much as I would do. Eddie's and even though he doesn't kind of get us to either.
My only complaint again, this is not me slugging off in any way. About the custom for the Mike in the new one. The older Mike. He needed to be more downtrodden.
He needed to be beaten up by the world. And he was too handsome. He was too. He was too.
Not odd. Bill. Like McAvoy was actually a good thought. Mike.
Mike. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah.
The character when you see him. I love Mike. I love Mike. I love Mike.
I love Mike. No, not this. I didn't. I love him.
I love him. In the new one. That was actually quite scary. The film I film.
I've got what's going on. Oh, Eddie's going to be dead. Oh, Eddie's dead. No.
Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen about Mike. I've never seen about Mike.
I've never seen about Mike. At the same time, right? I feel like even in the book, and I'm going back. I'll be more up to date on this than me.