Nerdy Up North Podcast - Supernatural Nerd Talk

Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of the Nodioff North Podcast, a double feature of the weekend, second one of the weekends, and it's the Nodioff Podcast hosted by Tim Nodioff and I'm yeah just me computers is playing up sorry this week's episode is all about the best brothers should I say best brothers on TV? That's just what it is most attractive brothers shall we? Yes, we're not going to sugar coin it's probably better brothers in TV I wouldn't even go for a major Niles about her brothers but the win chest is the ones everyone wants to focus so let's just get it out there, get it out there, we're going all super natural this week yes and you can probably tell by the matching platter shirts I think Charlotte put a post on earlier saying that she was going to wear the flannel so we thought we'd join her in using it I didn't actually see it I was always planning on wearing the check shows, flannel was always going to come out yes so if you are going to delve into the supernatural realm, see what goes on in the night or with them and me as a marketing company that ITV brought out when it first was released to try and get viewers in the UK scary gets sexy oh yeah forgot about that was actually the tagline yeah that was the tagline for when the brought out supernatural for UK audiences yeah oh did they get that wrong? that's really cool and I'll get the ball rin put out the way with first just so we can crack on with everything all super natural so everything discussed in times episode is our opinions and our opinions alone if you want to discuss any topic from playing set of stories please come and join us on the facebook group and we can have an open discussion what we want to have is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are on we can all agree disagree and find them so we can keep it phoned keep it kind and keep it toxic behavior out of notism okay never really is rather than a price boom it's because it's not going to be able to find them now with exactly yeah and then you take that word out I could actually talk so what did i do with special let's see a double feature this weekend for a few different reasons one because shalaka would yield uh it was a half-life ideas for a hand wanted to celebrate the return of alternative return of the maklin and then he took it back and out the mak and can we just clarify for anyone who isn't part of our facebook group and actually just listens to the podcast shalaka doesn't technically be in gill because he's in facebook gill yeah i didn't okay oh that's quite the illusion that i was not doing hard time it was hard for us it was hard 30 days but yeah so we've got the return in shalaka and also as well which we just realized today um was the one year anniversary that we started up the not nearly up north near the facebook page so it actually went live today which the idea came out a few weeks ago but today is the one university so thanks guys for sticking with us basically in the health and this world which is amazing with intrusive natural style i'm going to do a little celebration because when always happens in the last episode of the supernatural so always play a certain song so let's go start it often so carry on my way with sun there'll be peace when you are done they are weary head to rest and don't you cry normal so yes i thought i'd do a little bit like that just have a bit fun with it because it's you're honest that's all so natural is it is a bit of fun it's it's cheesy as hell but i say i got a bit of heart to it i think and that's a good percent um and again i'm one of the biggest fans i'm watching it again with me wife we always walk through a rotation um just simply because it's it's empty it's like as i said there's not many like horror tv shows out there are this fun the tributary of themselves too seriously yeah fair play of the supernatural the god 15 seasons i still think there was 10 seasons too more but um again we're going to have such a music characters that we did if we didn't get the full 15 seasons but um what a fucking journey it took us on down it we're definitely down going down the road with them oh 100 percent 100 percent um Charlotte relationship is when you said 10 seasons too long Charlotte hmm yes um again i remember watching this for the first time i i i give it a pass for the first time i was just because of the whole scary gosh sexy campaign when it was on itv three i believe um sorry um but yeah and i think i picked up on dvd because i think it was on cx and like first three seasons was gone for like a fiber fiber box set and at the time boxets were quite expensive and we went like full on paris at the north at the time we went to get streaming and stuff like that um so um yeah so i thought i'd give it a chance and after the first couple i'd say the first episode is weird and well the first two seasons are absolutely brilliant um some of the best work on the steers to quite an ex-file formula where it's like one of the week yeah it's the year to urban legends like also like not i said not true legends because we don't know if these are real it's what likes a myths and folklore that are out there i think it was expanded on it and it made it really interesting with a biblical touch that was later that was later that was later that part didn't come into our season oh what's the i'd say about season four when the angel's payment went uh you're gonna have to bear with these people because i have watched the first ten seasons but a very long time ago and i'm only rewatching them again and i'm off the season three and there's so much i can't remember so you will have to bear with us i am literally right in your core fields tonight yeah because i say the first couple of seasons it was all about the yellow eye demon and um and the hunt for him and the plans he had for like some and the special kids and i'd say all that aspects because um it was quite well i always thought it was entertaining all as it goes through because demons were the big bad guys and the first one like demons weren't as i said it wasn't the first two episodes shot if i'm wrong that was said demon possessions don't happen that regularly yeah i picked up on that and then this and then it happened all the time and then like had to strengthen as well where one of the episodes he opened up a one-time emergency plan doors that's that's that's second ever episode it was that episode that i'd be a demon demon possessions don't happen that often i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i that's all that's happening in season three at the moment because nobody's when the organ of the uh case of hell and all the demons out and if you just know how charl had gone into it so um so i've actually watched it from the very beginning um because i saw how so ago because i saw house of wax at the pictures with a friend right and thought oh it's quite nice and then i went out he was in supernatural and it was very bad lucky really it wasn't just nickels sorry i was in house first when when supernatural first came out i was i was a Sam girl through and through wow i did not see that i thought it might have been dean no so i wanted a bit of moves so don't work dean has aged better dean has aged better i think i was in pop and age he's sleeping in there calm actually not something to say isn't it at all um so yes i found out about it um it was it was every sunday night on i tv too i think it was yeah i was on it because it was all that and it was mine and my sister's thing and we used to watch it every night and on i tv too and we saw angry when we moved channels and got replaced with vampire diaries and look but he thought he thought he could open it so i got it wrong actually when it first moved from i tv you want to start i think i went to start for two seasons and then he thought he'd pick it up later on but only for yeah i think he thought the right thing though i didn't just start off i think they started off from the beginning so that's why the audience so that's why the audience kind of picked up on it back in the uk and all as i said with any cw show it's very hard to get cancelled with that network um as we found out with a lot of tv shows that went on the winner but um with this one like they kind of gave them anything the one that as well it was kind of like that freedom as well got a huge following in america i think like america it's massive massive the uk is taking up now as we found out in the facebook page because it came on and i'm on prime isn't it now yeah that's where i'm watching them now and i think that's where i initially watched them in the first place um because i didn't join the party until 2000 and i want to see either 14 or 15 we're definitely in our first place and and afterwards telling that you see it's because i'm a huge Gilmore Girls fan and he says all the guy can Gilmore Girls isn't it and i was like oh it's cool and he watches the first season he says i don't mind watching it again it was so good and i think we've got to like we caught up to when it was coming out live like as it was happening in it the first tv show i can hands down see a 10 seasons perfect absolutely perfect i didn't find a vault until i started getting to the last seat the last of the end of season 10 and i started to see the pattern and i was like which we're just gonna die now who's coming back who's yeah and it just and we lost it we lost it and i haven't seen from 11 to 15 yeah i think that's again because we're gonna talk about all the things we don't love about so might we got these little things that we're not oh yeah i think as a sure it needed to have more balls it didn't have it didn't stay too much it was too scared of losing like main characters or losing the fans when certain characters died and would then it lost its impact a little bit because there were certain deaths all the way through like losing both either way we did so i know what we'll catch up with stuff i was absolutely heart breaking so Charlie we lost Charlie which skin was one of my all-time favorite characters as well that was such a controversy in America they absolutely hated it and they kept bringing people back just because of this like i think the only person to stop with the death was Crowley and that was the most black lost death that actually happened and it was kind of like just a myth and the character deserved so much but i think he had a form that with the producers also and behind the scenes really he lost it because he didn't even get great brought back but before we come back we'll see if we can leave the last season full-ass and that will be soilest i know a few people haven't seen the last season yet but that was always a big surprise for even the character of kloseva how many times have he got brought back and changed and rectified it was kind of like he was a great user-federal it was he was but again but i thought it was a story that was just getting really tall to the last one that's that's how i built with some dean like it would have been more impactful if even for half a season they were gone yeah but on the same episode they were gone and brought back also turned one of them bad there was only a few episodes yeah they didn't give you like there was no interaction no completely it lost direction when eric ricki left yeah did he leave yeah he left and that's when it really lost direction because he started in the hands of people who don't understand like there was there was there was writers and producers and stuff on the show that had been less than the very beginning but without him it just didn't feel the same the writing wasn't the same i think because especially like we've seen with the boys now like he has such a vision for anything he he's involved in once once he was gone supernatural it was it was a little bit like a free for all people it kind of felt like right i was a sort of fighting for attention so it's totally lost its way it was a bill of one character and like all right just pushing to one side of his appearance that thing was that he left after season six or wasn't it um five or six because i think he left when uh when chook don't he sort of wink at the character and you thought he'd actually that was yeah it was yeah it was as far as the length of the short time it was quite early on it was really yeah it was definitely still in single digits you know because i say he had a vision that was about that was only going to be five or six seasons and you know the episode where chook like this little piece of the camaraderie disappears anything chook god or is he not god and you find out there he is but um that was supposed to be it was a supernatural ender the the krypti story then everything that came afterwards was other people's ideas or add-ons to walk because originally that storyline with him and the other waya demon that was all planned out and that was how everything was supposed to be lean to and where it was when it was when it went on stuff yeah but i remember reading every every eric rick p had a vision and a couple of car remember which season is now but you know uh the season where the last shot of the last episode is sam in the white suit and he's come back from hell and he's either possessed or he's got no soul or something yeah i think it's when when lucifer possesses him that that image was how eric rick p imagined the show ending right like just with that shot of sam in the white suit watching dean um and then he carried on writing for a few more seasons and then he was like that i'm done it was it was the show that just kept on coming didn't it just literally kept on coming i got cw back in the like 2014s to like 17 was cw was the place so i always used to watch the announcement of cw of who was renewed and who'd lost their show very little lost their show and it's supernatural i was there yeah i was there i think i was scared to end it though as well because i didn't know how they wanted it to end so i don't think i couldn't think i couldn't tell the point where i think i don't even know if it was the right as i think it was like sam and jensen oh it was jensen and jereth it's that's it obviously i've literally just listening to um the point i told you're about with where michael rosen but i've frozen them from them i think i'm saying that right and i'm listening so they did a supernatural week and it was literally just before they started filming the last season and it's like a different interview with the cast and i'm on jereth pere that he called himself jereth perel diggy and he was he's so intelligent but he was saying like he was he sums up supernatural ending and how he summed up the death of his dog oh he said that's true that's why he said he was like his dog who we got in gilmore girls was on the verge of passing away and he was he was like i thought he says my dog could go on as long as supernatural canon i i need i think i think i need to end this like he was using his dog as the star named supernatural yeah he was like my dog's name had been around as long as supernatural before supernatural and he was like i think i think this has gone on long enough now yeah yeah it's such a good interview that we saw like stupidly intelligent i think they're all like all quite interesting like jensen when he's doing like i can't believe how amazing he is that singing like he's voice is absolutely beautiful like he's unreal he's just done recent ones the two of them with so these ones like all the ones but they've done recent ones like in the last week with my dill and equal tell them i'm not just calber like all right honestly it's like it's like he's got nothing called in the back anymore so he just paused hell i'm really listening to the podcast it is so good stop advertising other people's politics and other people are now switching off this is why i was fished this goes and then go on listen to that oh yes yes um going back to our podcast and i haven't thought i was gonna mention one podcast and yes um as i was saying earlier about the first few seasons being some of my favorite episodes as well just because as i said the state of the law some of the like say you've seen them in movies as well they've done the whole bloody mary which was done absolutely really uh the woman in white which was heartbreaking as well um that aspects um like saying that like we weren't scared to go there with people as well like the the kid in the lake um oh that was horrible yeah well i think as well with a lot of the crossovers as well they had a lot of characters used in like sci-fi or big shows around the time like it went back to the wealth for a lot of Buffy characters back came in and played big parts or had cameos and stuff but as i said they went all out for the attractive they used probably the heartless actors and actresses they could find um and a lot of them went on to do other things as well and or the last was okay as Maggie at the work and did she started out in super natural she did she did she does have very cool she does have very weird english accent doesn't she got actual accent no it's so weird it's so weird she's like the john barram and of um accents she can do both of them and she mixed in she into lines them together as well it's a really bizarre accent um the the girl who plays Jessica build his dress uh some girlfriend ended up in the oral with sama karlin yeah right kitty is a kitty Cassidy um kitty Cassidy who yeah she was the original and the best in my opinion groovy love it as groovy love that was that was always again not to go hard on the disappoint nastics and all like so we're demons that are giving that pop pop to change and chop and change i i carried his like there was some rubies that were great some rubies that and even the Meg characters as well um some of the Meg characters like the first Meg was brilliant original Meg yeah absolutely what's that you do yeah but and then replace them but as i said before with the loose of a character as well he obviously meets it all the way through and yeah why didn't they do that with like say they encouraged us probably would have had a bit more impact on all certain certain actors wanted the wives and girlfriends to play certain roles as well so that was that was part of it would show you see there was a lot of favouritism going on there yeah um to cut our sam his his character is a joke i like he met the mexie the mexie he was talking about it the met she had absolutely zero interest in him and he just be persevered and asked her out of the day and he literally said we went out on one date and we've never never been apart since his ex-girlfriend is actually in one of the earlier episodes and she plays the crossroads demon all right was it the red eyes was it yeah she plays the crossroads demon wanted like basically before krowary and stuff she looks all right actually i think it's the um i think she plays the crossroads demon that they kill that sort of both krowary and he coming in is the crossroads demon uh we're talking about as i said talking about the crossword demon that episode where the went back and you saw like the famous blues player and stuff like that and the demon dogs that my dad's favourite episode because robot tronson is one of his favourite favourite musicians ever and that episode is the reason why my dad watches even actually really yes so cool i like they like brought that type of law into it as well and made it really interesting like even like things went went into the mountains and brought the windy windy giggle i'm not gonna pronounce it right um we're the big one that is not another win a big one that's what you said zavan yes yes i'm gonna call it from now on it's not windy giggle it's a win a big one but like the end time episodes actually worked like quite scary and like the horror element like brought quite quite deep in it as well and even like the episode with a little witch it was eating the kids souls i think kiv talk about it last week just watch that one that was hard to hand the window that was just like every kid's nightmare and stuff like that but um you can tell at the time the budget and wasn't there because like the first season was shot like the special effects wasn't great but it was all done like practical effects and yeah and stuff but um like the two one of the series as well as weird like the actual like the visual doesn't like it's like a filter radish yes because it's now starting to clear up it's like the old instagram filters from the end of awful um but the uh it's now starting to clear up as i'm on season three and also starting to clear up is Sam's attitude holy hell i didn't realize until i'm like rewatching them how much of a bitch Sam is that is so awful no but that's always been the thing because he's always a fun sponge and then dings like a party element but he i always knew that about Sam like he does he would take everything was seriously the modern does but he bitches and morn so much but that's just Sam everyone's got a family member or a friend that is like that so you kind of relate to it as well as if they were both just jolly and have you been going on in the business but um i kind of like very i can't believe what i haven't mentioned one of the biggest things in season one can i even Chester oh don't know if daddy win Chester not even Chester was my big dad crush he was always denny so if any gris and other things out there he was denny and then all of a sudden he's now gone it's now daddy win Chester and i still even as niegan i still can't not call him daddy win Chester same he can't do it can't bring yourself to do it is mental because he's he's in i think he's entire time on screen is less than an hour yeah throughout the calls like throughout the whole of season one and two like it's less than an hour he's in it yeah but what a coup that must have been to get him like for that role like i know he probably wasn't doing much then but like he's went on to do it like so because it was it was it was almost been around about the time he'd done watchmen for the comedian or not long around about the same time um about you definitely duren he always just looked like half of your bit of bard m yeah i was like it's just when especially when he was in denny as denny engrossing that me like god it's just half of your idea it was in like west ring or something like that before don't know about west ring but he was like tomas win in bard mr's yeah so rumor has it that he was meant to be playing a beginning plus point because because for in fact uh laurin would you call up and laurin quillen quillen quillen quillen quillen quillen did well uh cheaply it's not there as well yeah it is yeah which i thought was ironic given that they hated you look at the day i love that call back as well in the same natural episode later on the bat i thought it was a bat when it was it was it Halloween episode or was it just when uh uh weapons and stuff and it was it was round it was round about telling me that they walked in and it just been like oh something they walked in they put the bat down on the table and it's quite obviously you know it's quite obviously you know it's quite obviously you know it's quite obviously you know and dian puts it down on the table he just goes ah dad loves that name i did see the pictures around it because it wasn't the one leg of them in a baseball thing as well like the two boys and him or something like that it was like a photograph of them i do remember when that all happened i guess that's later later later on yes oh can we love it i think round about a few of it yeah it was a one-person was one when they were in the bongering stuff um we did get some it was nice to take a win chest just have a little bit of all-life as well because that didn't make sense as the normans that traveled around but as you said as you went going on it started getting a little bit the tonal change quite a lot uh we did have the month of the week that kind of went to the way aside for a while after sam had his big when he died for the first time i know i'd say died every time before when they went to that camp where they all the other kids that had been affected by the demons would go fighting off each other and that was always like to say that element when he thought sam was gone but then they brought them back and it wasn't even the same different episode it was actually it was the end of the first episode on the bong back it's season two it was like the last two episodes but just it was like the last two episodes in season two yeah and that that well we shouldn't know what was going to happen from that on as well um that was when we introduced the bobby as well around the first time like so Bobby was born in dread as a character and a bit of a character for Bobby was like so grew into the rule because he was probably was at the start was an angry person that uh you were supposed to be a cameo um so he's in the last episode of the first season when drunk gets kidnapped yeah yeah yeah yeah the poor two yeah the poor and sam and that was supposed to be it that that was a trouble it was supposed to be done um but the because of the rate and figures and because of like how much people looked at him the border mean is a regular and i know who said the border mean is a regular oh absolutely love that man i just the relationship between him and the boys was it was definitely father's son absolutely 100 so the the death of bobby was crushing absolutely one of the worst in television for me was it was crushing i think and not the might be controversial here but i think the backstory of bobby was more heartbreaking when you found out why he was the way he would have happened to his wife and his kids when you found that element out that that kind of crushed us more i know bobby's death happened what was kind of like and that sounds really bad it was one of the worst seasons of course it was natural that was made so it didn't have as much of an impact but as i said it was like say one of the sad things but when you found out where we spoke story about how we had a killing one wife who was possessed and he didn't know anything that that he knew now and all the things he could have probably went through and saved it and again in later on the episodes i've kind of remember the season where people were coming back from the dead and bobby's wife was there and to see him and see him how happy he was but realized that monday had a convincing that i couldn't see that way again had had xia such a token such a pull but as i said i think um the show wouldn't have been successful because there was nowhere i think after the first season that was it for jeffy dame morgan he wasn't back he got killed he's one of these characters that actually actually see it did for a while yeah he bought the body's voice back in one of the later episodes he did make a return as well when they got the wish and yeah it was like the 300 that was going to make a big ambience for a second yeah but um it was never like coming back full time because as i said it moved on to not bigger and better things but like different things like it was never gonna get real uh they're the character of niegan i don't think um one hand cuffs is this yes like say money to me but i think they needed something like that so the bobby role fitted in like say and when the role of the characters in as well that kind of could have hit the role but i like a lot of people like rufus as well him and rufus was some of the best and most hilarious combos and conversations i've seen that that episode is at weekend at bobby's when it's just predominantly just bobby and rufus sort of like rufus he's gonna have to help out he's uh he's the black guy who looks like bobby he's like the mordock yeah that's one of my favorite episode once we get into bobby's is one of my absolute favorites and it's just because bobby and rufus pick a leg and all very cool it's so good um trying to think as well because we talked about the character appeared in the second season i believe was it the second or last week in the brokman nine nine he was the dentist he came in the gordon the gordon the vampire yes i've just been watching them once he is phenomenal so i did not get back yes yes yes that's i think she's gonna talk with the face of that so women it's not gonna be mine but i didn't know who i was watching yeah makes sense like i didn't know until like later later on yeah but his uh his like appearance and as i said it didn't kill off and brought back things but it's one of the things he's he's doing right but he saw and he can't see more than black and white by this time like say samad had his demons and like going through it it's and dame is going through everything because he just wanted to kill everything at that time and and the brought in that same episode as well tara from buffie was in yeah so she made her payments like it's funny enough i was in that series man making that up i just i'm not very similar to that um but i don't know if it was that series she was like a unit she was in because she played the place officer that was uh i said samadame on the way to jail um but the girl who played harmony in interlum bobby was also in the uh the vampire episode is gone yeah because she was one of the first i've either i'm believe so yeah yeah but haven't like say later on when the brought Gordon back for like a number of times would have him turning to revamp my year as well and it's been one of the protagonists uh like because one of the other things that i've talked about is that i had the monster the week that had sometimes had a big bad but it wasn't always um like the one that you thought was gonna be because i had Gordon in a few episodes of it was supposed to be in the middle of the black middle of the season where the turned Gordon in to revamp i and said you can kill us but i've got to kill sam when just the first um that was i had a profile i don't know he said he was bitchy but he had a rough time but i said he was all right i do like samadame i just didn't realize that he was he was very morny and it's understandable given like the arthad he starts with like he's you know he's trying to break away from the family but he doesn't want to be a part of that much at the same time he can't forget how he's mum died and then his girlfriend goes out that way and trying to understand like why is a little bitchy but when you when you know who he is later on later on in the series it's like it's you just you can tell the difference between the two and the growth that he goes through yeah i never got that i don't but what you're saying that he didn't belong i didn't want to belong i think he always wanted to be a blonde but he wanted to be accepted and he felt like he wasn't accepted for one and more i thought he was i thought because of the more enough to want to go to college and go off to be a lawyer that that was his break away from i don't want to be part of the family i want to do my own thing i think he didn't want that lifestyle but he was always one of these fathers acceptance because that was that was always a big thing especially later on because dane was because as it turns out as it finds out and that sounds harsh as dane was never these doubts favorite sam was yeah i think i think part of sam's like growth as a character is when he starts out he thinks right this is what i want to go to college i want the the normal lifestyle married with kids bloody blah blah and then as he goes on he realizes that wasn't what he wanted he just wanted to make his dad proud yeah it's a good force i guess yeah i can say that for your point but i never got the point because if he didn't want to belong to if he didn't want to be part of the he wouldn't have went back with dane he would have been that decision then because as much as dane wanted to he would he never convinced san to join him san made that decision that's true it was just the the first episode where he saw hell bent on the fact he's got to go back on monday that's all right i'm yeah i think that's just years of abuse of john had a hands down there but uh i know it's as well as i said mentioned fruit san's growth and people back of sam did grow quite a lot oh yeah through this show and they managed to find ways to get him to take his stuff in any situation that they had gone all with root because he got big and both blessed him so how did you know what i must be like completely not leave blind to sounds at charmed because dane was just my favorite so i didn't really pay attention to him no something something have charmed charmed charmed charmed some had something that shut off and he was huge he's not a great story he was a kid from gillmore girls to me so i'm just like oh i don't see it at all like but jensen eagles just man that man just ages like fine wine no i think he really does yeah i think with jensen eagles i was all about the personality as well he like he had everything like the crack and makes it as as sam went demon just sorry he wanted to be used to anybody he would have you back but that was i would never actually want to go for a pint of sam because it would be dull as dishwater or anything like that was like even with jensen like at my um anytime i read anything with jensen taut from batman he is my jensen taut of my head because that man absolutely killed it in that his voice all the work is fantastic what he was doing is i wasn't you know because he actually got used to saying i think he sent a few tweets and i said he's about man no and stuff like that but he's got that line doesn't he in a rabbit foot one that's because i know what to try and like say a few characters and stuff but who who would you say i know it's going to be hard other than sam dina who are like see your sandal characters that you that you love and you would always go back to i really liked oh sorry charlie i love krau he was just he was so perfect for krau like marx out and was just absolutely brilliant as it like he had so much fun with it um art 100 and like everything you started off on and you thought oh it could be quite interesting to start off you think it's going to be evil the personality he grows into and the greatest views and bills are just absolutely spot on and like he blues the lines between good and evil more than any other character i think because just when you're like you're just like like he does something that switches focus and like turns back as a demon would do but like as well he was always fluctuating as well because he was always it doesn't matter male female or animal that he was always flirting with yes yes when he kisses bobby when i have to kiss for the deal and he's got the photo of it and he's how uncomfortable bobby is for that because as a gruff de waltz like southern um american it's it's not the most i've been marked shut play as it all that was that was ad lib just well by marx about he wasn't like the photo and stuff wasn't supposed to happen and marx out was like i'm gonna get a selfie of it i put it in the show but it's absolutely brilliant he's for a demon it's very complex like in in what's word i did just have the word and we had a second to go on and so on it but complex is the one i'm gonna go with and he was just for a demon who should just be very black like very straight like you know straight evil but we've got lias yes a lot of them he's fantastic i love marx and i mean he's one of my favorite ex-files episodes um the fight i won i thought was absolutely brilliant and the fact that he kept his accent as well they did change it that was a love i love when the actors keep their accents so it was great and firefly as well like i said when ex-it the party played there was he was pretty much crowded just alive um but um like to the interaction with like and it gives us the greatest nicknames of us like as moose and squirrel for salmon um other big one and stuff like that it's just like how he plays often he's really stupid dame because as he said dame was always his favorites and as as it goes on and when dame becomes a demon for a while as well like them two going off and karate's trying to control him and keeping like like under control it's just hilarious i think they're probably mari cool i love um cast in his relationship as well yeah cast the other special as well just the play like micha colin's in march i would play off each other so well i want to spin off short just them too micha colin's is just too phenomenal like cast the other not my favorite character would micha colin's what he did for the supernatural community and like what he still like does it's just it's unreal he put the name to good use and he's such a lovely lorg he went further he went through a lot of lorg except bless him like i'd be talking about salmon ding and killed off but he got killed off nearly every season and the fans must have kicked off some in broughton so they bring them up but the way like if i talk about micha colin's the way micha colin switched between cast and jimmy in that episode was it was one of the most heart where you can ever see what jimmy has to give up everything and just cast takes all that like it was so so good his entrance though is cast in that entrance is absolutely i remember watching it and just like i think tikka just dropped because it was just like what the fuck is that?

like that image of just the shadow of the wind is on the wall it's just like that is supernatural in an image yeah but that's kind of lost me a little bit with supernatural that when we're going through the seasons after that because micha colin's like cast the elkon's in is the biggest badass these angels doing our footway angels these things and they're on salmon dings brain angels all over it's like there's salmon dings but these actual powers the morning demolish demons and ever anymore they can split them the old way and now the fighting angels have been able to fight angels not just one or two angels but five or six at the same time. dean who gets beaten up at least three times in the first season by young like 11 year old girls it's suddenly been up in angels yeah that kind of lost its like clap with me for a little bit but in the last season before we get there like i say i'm not gonna spoil this shit it explains a little bit more why that's the case and i understand it now so when i watch it back now i can appreciate what about the time i was like fuck off i was like two seasons ago dean was basically shooting everything starboard cast the elk who's walking through the alleyway and cast the elk was just like getting his wings out and not in a dirty way because there is the fact that the cast the end dainer have that kind of relationship which again i thought he thought this next year as a couple i think the fit perfectly and again when we get to the last season when we talked about that i was like i'm quite sad but um i say one of my top tone isn't and again i talk about a few times i say previous ones that's quite sure that she's mine jolly jolly she's mine too so she walked on the screen makes it felicia dear um it was magic and she fit into that world and i wanted to her in every episode i i i i don't get bloke i'm like say i'm appreciative standing dean for what they are i got rid of them sure and jolly i don't see and i don't even have to be sexualized or anything like that it was just fun it was a look like again this is how well she did it she felt like a little sister to us yeah she was a little sister of the of the crew that you felt that you had to protect her and for what you're watching in the reason why she works so well for because it's really a pleasure to do it yeah the difference between her and jolly is very little very little and but that's the reason it works all is because she is jolly and jolly is felicia and it's brilliant castan and she is i just love the woman so much and she's creating as well sorry because she's just fit perfectly she came in there as well i know we talked about boy's death in the worst season of supernatural the lathaisans are all bullshit where the black things and where they got harmed by washing up liquid was just shit but yeah the brought with the people jolly i can say but her appearance after that like when the lavin was if not up there with my top five episodes i've ever seen like see when they're trying to capture the princess and for fairies a real all of them and and then get all excited because he gets to run around with a sword and make believe things at night and all give me all of that just like to be a brilliant and just all full fleecherly a full charlie in in her role and as it went on you got different aspects like she i know when the broad range was more like the silly episodes like when i was forgot sick yes that really when that happened i was like like anyone charlie before but at the same time i was like really that was quite questionable that was really hard to be found but it was the was the was um biggest was the was fun i was giving anything to do with dorothy and stuff but i thought that was fun i'd say i love this year but that was so it's but her death um to the hands of the frank and steams and was absolutely brutal it was awful and the fans here didn't because it was it was another woman in a bathtub situation you know the woman in a refrigerator it's all that all over again and people were not angry that charlie died and it was just it was the fashion of how they did it it just felt disrespectful to such a great character and someone who we all look forward to seeing we all loved the charlie episode and it really because a huge backlash the the community just went open arms but also they bring out the comic book community as well because they decided to get involved i remember that time it was awful but the death of charlie is horrible but another sad thing with charlie as well as when she comes back from us and there's two charlies and steams fighting because he's got the mark of king which is again absolutely ridiculous storyline but works with some reason i really enjoyed the mark of king but um and then dane and charlie fighting but not realizing when he's hitting bad charlie it's hurting good charlie and cena when he realizes that he's brought around and really hurt her and seen the look on dane's face and i never like i know something you're sure but you could tell he never forgive himself for the what he did through that because like as you said if that was his little sister that's we love him like just as much as us yeah it was such a protection between like some more probably i don't know if this is probably just me interpreting this way but dane felt more protective over her yes they gave us more dane but i think that's just dane's character in general when it comes to people he is quite protective it really reminded me of um joe and the jaw of how he was with joe like there was a little bit of flint there but like he just wanted to protect i know like that's what it reminded us of with charlie yeah i loved Ellen and joe they were greater it is i was always like again i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i was always a little bit disappointed with the reveal of what happened between joe and joe's father and like say daddy winchester because the expected to be more explosive or um i know they went on a hunt and one didn't come back but i thought it was gonna be more like john left them there today or john made a decision that caused and died not just because you died on a hunt yeah that was always my little bit of a just one because fair enough and you can be pissed off at john winchester for that but you couldn't really blame him and the way that the workland seemed a bit harsh to me but i guess that's just my idea on it yeah um i was going to say something about dane has taught me something he has no no mate i'll be wasn't that important just probably just gushing over gorgeous ears but yeah that's a good point like uh jocob got an email joe and ellen ellen like all the characters for sam and dane the roadhouse brilliant i loved it i loved the guy with the with the mohawk ash ash i love that great elements but again kind of just faded away and got rid of quite too soon as well and always all the way up for like the big battle with the l.i. dane and exit as we thought we weren't going to get too many seasons after this one but 15 it would be nice to keep a few of them around but ash was an interesting character i quite liked but again if we're talking about the latest seasons as well roina absolutely love new life that's not for everyone but jesus she could have talked to me any time she is stunning yes stunning lady interesting wasn't she isn't she um what do you say is my god mark i've got this character yeah i know them but um i see her diary she reminds us of a a live action Jessica rabbit um just a little bit shorter just a little bit shorter not at all but uh just like say the looks and the facial expressions and just the conniving part of it i loved the banter between her and Crowley of fergus of course she refuses the call on Crowley or the king of else so i was I was a bit focused. Yeah, it's only one that calls them Ferguson.

Yeah. And you can tell these are all these eyes and it can't really be too much because that's his mother as well. Yeah. I really like the episodes with them with death in them.

Yes. I really. Death was out as well. Yeah.

I've just been watching because I've seen before we started I've been because I'm on season three and I've been on season three and my memory is shocking for all of the same 10 seasons. My memory is terrible. So I'm only on season three and I was like I'm going to watch some YouTube videos just to try and like re-dog my memory and it was the scene with death when he's explaining the Mark Kane. And I was like oh my god he was so good.

Well all the full horsemen had the parts like that season like was the guy who played War he's been in a few things while he was well. But the one more sinister was pestilence. Oh, it was horrible. And that's the guy who played the dad in Honey I Shum the Kids.

Yes it is. Yeah. And the kid who sneezing all over everywhere causing that disease. But as I said death was unbelievable.

Yeah. So I just, it's so mysterious. And then there was another scene with him when Dean was given his job for the day. And he kind of broke the, his rule of your natural law and he brought Sam back.

And just that conversation between them two, Dean's like he was saying if you know what you know now would you allow that little girl to die and he was like absolutely. And it's just like the conversation between the two of them was just, it's lovely because he went deaf I thought he was just a one-note. No. And there wasn't there was like there was something else there and understanding as well.

And it was actually loved whenever he was on the screen I got glued to him. I loved the fact that I see when death arrives he always around where I see fast food joints. Yes. Always like nice things.

But again, it's probably a factor to the show going on too long. I'll actually that these characters didn't get the proper ending. I don't think death got the end like the end and he deserved them and replaced them with like the reaper. I've got a name now because she changed that many looks all the way through.

Again, that was all the things I liked the behind stories of the Reavers. That episode where Dean's in the hospital and he's thinking he's talking to someone who's a ghost trying to get back alive and it's just a reaper trying to co-horse and end up getting the right path. But I see that kind of didn't play out well but I see so many good parts of school things they don't like. With everything when Dean's with death you can tell there's chemistry there.

I've just been pointed out that I said something wrong. Sorry, sorry, Sarah, but it didn't bring Sam back. You brought your soul back. Yes.

That was it. I'm in the chat. Someone's got to ask someone for the air be there. Don't ask that's the chat.

Don't worry about the chat. I got that part wrong. It wasn't to bring them back. It was to really solve that.

How many episodes have we done? We've got a million things wrong. We don't have a hundred. How many times I said Jake for all this name wrong?

Before I even picked up that I was seeing it wrong. I'm not sure what it is. I'm the one person in the world now. I've got the quality of data.

We've talked about how emotional it is. What was the first episode that scared you? Scared us. What was the first episode where you went?

Oh, this is a bit creepy. The one that we discussed earlier was the kids that sleep in the hospital. That's all the fairground where the kid brought the clown back in the fairground and it was the blind man in the fairground. Sounds about the reaction.

That's probably the episode that I did. You would have the early ones as well. I was shocked with the dodgy. The bling when everyone was chilling.

because if the mirror is so you know what you're meant to be looking at in a mirror but then having something behind you and that kind of like freaks us out a little bit and the Virgin Mary one for sure and trying to think because the early ones were more creepy but the more horrible yeah because the late ones became like God versus evil or like become less horror which Winchester Brothers gonna die this week. If I'm just gonna stick with the Virgin Mary one oh and the one that I've just watched when Dean Binks he's met his son it's in series three. It was a little girl it wasn't so much the when she was looking in the mirror and she could see like skin was different it was when she was in the car and she looks in the mirror and that freaked out. I mean I'm a two mine was the bogus episode in like season one right yeah so that was on the end very go round yeah just bogus everywhere just you know and the little girl in the painting yes when you think it's like all the way through you think it's a dad but it's a little girl like when I first watched that I was 15ish.

I went about 15ish. I was about 15ish. You said I was probably the true the fourth. I was about 15 and at the time like little girl goes and stuff really creepers out and that one like really really scared us and I think that was the first time the show really creepers out.

That was a good one as well because as you said the thought was the dad in the beginning that was the one sort of burnt his borns but really was him keeping the little girl in check. Yeah so in a sense a killer they got rid of his like soul she was free to try and kill anyone and yeah that was quite creepy. Like not scary but probably when I enjoyed like the great fact that was the old magicians one. Was that one of which covenant?

I don't know it was a guy with uh no I wasn't I was a guy out of um Robbie Horror. Yeah sorry I heard. Hopefully I heard Brad as a younger magician and everyone was saying he was passive and he started getting all these tricks what was really this demon that was kind of killing people and giving them like getting the scare of death or passing his death under anyone like all these young and up stuff. Up and coming uh magicians but that was quite well done.

Is that the one where they take the Mickey out of the world? Is it Chris Angel? Yes. Yes.

Yeah. It's always good when you can get a Chris Angel dig in isn't it? Yeah. So that was I am so like the more we talk about it because like again shopping memory I have got so much to look forward to but I can.

Well yeah some of my favourite episodes aren't even the scary ones necessarily ones. I think they're maple fruits and I know they don't only do like one or two a season but when they do absolutely the mystery spot one that Dean keeps on dying. The moment that's so good everyone Can we just appreciate ghost faces, ghost faces before? I'm going to talk about the craft, worst episode ever.

It was so funny. I brought it on first. I'm not going to talk about mine first. The suicidal teddy bear?

Yes. It's about the wish and will. That was some Remi's brother in that one. That was some Remi's brother in that one.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But I can say the History Spot one where we got the call games, we turned out the Gary O'Lendy end, which was just confusing. But the trickster. The trickster. How many we have to ding die or go through and slowly lose his mind.

Yeah. Does it show him that? Like, say what would happen or the things that came on doing to bring themselves up. I was good message.

Well, Jesus Christ, all the different ways I put it ding dies was. Some of the ways that can't be a screen. The dog. When you just say the dog and you just have a walk in and then you say like, something.

Was there a moment where a piano dropped? Did you think something else killed him? Yeah. It kind of dropped.

He got down the way and he got running all the way. He got running all the way. Then one he was eating, he was eating a sausage and was talking about the sausage. That's how the North St.

The Danica was one of the guys left early. So that was a change and that's where some realised there was the trickster. It was a change in the source or something in the syrup. It had him waffles when he left and it was like, I don't think any episode with the trickster in is just genius.

Like the one where that, I can't recall, but the one where that the difference in the different TV shows. Yes. And I'm in like the doctor's access to something. And the Japanese game show where they can't get hit.

Any trickster I restored, I'm all in for. Well, as you were saying with the. Gold phases. I'm not trying to ignore the ghost phases.

What's wrong with the ghost phases? It was hilarious. I'll get my wife on now. She has to be here to this as well.

Don't find them funny. It reminds us of the lone gunman, but not them well. Oh, great. And I just love ghost phases.

Yeah. The only thing I like about the ghost phase is when they put the magnets on the computer and white gold, I think that was going to have to talk to you. You're an aragon of a pricks. What about the suit, where they go a little bit better and it's like in the supernatural fan world?

Yeah, when they go over the window, the brick, the window. Jared and Jensen playing, Sam and Dean playing, Jared and Jensen. Yeah. I love that.

For things I walk around like the world's going, yeah, we're talking about League, we're talking real life and we thought there's something quite a bit of respect for a apart story right now then. I could try by taking the exhibit and using it to talk with other people. The one going like Dirty. Some things they're getting very familiar with.

compliment for me. I would say that again if we're going to go to the silliest and the best silliest episode when Dean gets scared of everything and he gets cursed with the scream. Yellow fever? Yellow fever, that's so on.

Is that not the one that also gave us the greatest out kick ever when he's singing the tiger? The tiger. He's lying in the car and all the stuff is rising up. Oh, that's genius.

But it's funny getting chased down the street by that little dog. It's the, it'll always be the cat in the locker and he screams and he goes, oh, that was scary. When they get the car and he starts listening to what they're doing, he goes, you know who does that? Crazy people.

We thought, sorry for most of us, he was doing all the scratching and he was like, Tanny's got to be scratching away all the time. So good. Just to see him as a different person. Like the first time like Dean's not been Dean, it was just great.

I love that episode so much. But I love Sam's just cutting tolerance for himself. I love that. I love the silly episodes because they have such fun with it.

And I wanted to ask you, have they actually fallen out? No. All the boys and they haven't. I've read somewhere that this Jared Parley didn't take his casting in the boy.

He's very well. That was wrong. It was basically announced that Jensen Eggles is producing a new supernatural show. It's going to be about John Winchester or John and Mary Winchester.

He's just going to be doing the voice over. And I'm not being told about this. I've not been anything put on Twitter. But it was apparently the sorted out.

It's just basically Jensen. I mean, Jared kind of spied his dummy out a little bit. But it had nothing to do with Sam. It's not Sam's story.

So he couldn't call it a hit. Yeah. So it wouldn't have to have anything to do with him. But it was kind of just like the media blown it out with a thing.

But it didn't help himself by tweeting that. But it didn't have a fall note. Like say, Jensen apparently sorted out pretty quickly. Not because their friendship outside of supernatural is it's lovely.

Like the podcast I listened to, it was saying like at the beginning, we weren't. Like we have a lot in common, like the board from Texas, the both got siblings that are exactly the same, that then ended up going to have children, like three kids each. Same time. Things went away.

He's doing Texas walker re-engine now. So he's got his own little thing. Yeah. He's moved on.

So that's it. You can't expect that if the show has ended and you've agreed that this is the end and you can't expect them to not go on and do something else, even if it included the supernatural in them. Like you accepted the terms, you accepted that it was ended. But yeah, he was saying like they weren't friends to start with.

They were not like they are now. And he says like I can go weeks and months without speaking to him. But still no, he's like there. He's a proper friendship.

It's lovely. That's why he bought it. I think that's why they do the casting and millions of millions of people who go in for it. They get that chemistry and they make it to build that relationship.

So that was always done well, I think. But it'd be very different because he did test for Smallville. Yeah. He was in Smallville.

He tested for content. He played a fellow business. Yeah. But he tested for us originally.

He also auditioned for Captain America. That could be really different. I think that a kind of like cap is a little bit moody. I don't expect to be like that moody.

No, not that moody. They constantly have a rest in bitch face all this way. And a pout. But yeah, he does.

He has a really big pout. But he doesn't like that in Gilmore Girls. He was a bit hoppy, but he was like, he was still kind of fresh-faced. It was Jensen Ackles.

I was wondering what you thought. I was thinking about it. It was Jon Harrolet who I was talking about for Smallville. I thought it was Lee not the same thing.

No, no, no, because Jensen Ackles was in Smallville. No, I was talking about Jared. He was tested for Clark End. He said he was never going to get it because he's really tall.

You didn't need that at the time now. Yes, you were not then. That was Jensen who went for Captain America. The boys probably went out and got this.

I was wondering where were going with that. I was talking about Jared, not Jensen. As usual, we're talking about one thing Sam was often nothing. My God.

I was originally talking about Jared and then you started talking about Jensen. Jensen is it all the way around? Yeah. But I'm trying to finish off the silly episode as well that you Robert Foote.

You can have a ratio on this one. I've just watched it because I've got a very tough shoe and then he drops it down the drain. That's the, I bought my neck for sure. Yeah, he gets the Robert Foote and then when you've got the Robert Foote, everything goes right.

But you will lose it and the curse is, everything will go wrong until you die. Is that why he's sitting in front of an air conditioner unit? Yeah, he's tied him up and the air conditioner pulls up and then he puts it out and then he goes up and blames. And then the window gets put through somehow.

Yeah. It's one of the things, and actually Dean's got the Robert Foote and I'm excited and uses, as I said, a famous line because people shooting at him, but guns are flying out. He's catching all the guns and doing his John Wick style moves and he's just like, I'm Batman. It's just works out absolutely perfectly.

I do vaguely remember it, especially when I saw the clip of the shoe incident. I do vaguely remember seeing how all this looked forward again. I think that would be my right. I did feel like that would have been good.

Yes it was. But she's after the Robert Foote to sell on and then he said, look, we're going to die. I was like, oh, sorry guys, I've been off at like £2 million for it and stuff. I got to do that.

And I'm like, how about we're not killier. He don't. That's always a good point with them too. We'll just not killier and then you can go move on.

That was quite a sad ending with her as well because they just decided to stop the other in the end. And she'd fucked up that many times. I was killed on her and sent her. She's done a deal, wasn't it?

It was a hell of a deal. It was a hell of a coder. Yeah. She's done a deal with her.

She's killing parents and her and all the money. Yeah. I think he last moment was just here on the phone to the boys and you could just see the barking in the background and that was it. And they were just like, no, you've made your own bed line it.

Yeah, which was quite brutal for them as well. We always do try and see everyone. But as we got on, we built different relationships with different characters. They didn't bring as many dark characters in as it did in the first season.

So it was more like fun, can you walk from? I loved his, like his element as a hunter, but then becomes a werewolf. Oh, yes. I love Garth up until a point and then when Bobby died and they tried to make him the new Bobby, I was like, no.

That was a mistake. Who was the vampire who deemed it? I want to say it's Vinnie, but I might be getting his name wrong. In the bigotry.

Yeah. He was in a couple of episodes. Wasn't he? It's a Vinnie.

I remember him because he died in the second season. He was Gordon Choppy's head off and then he used the same act. I thought that the day when he came on, I was like, that's Vinnie. I'm sure he needs Vinnie.

It's Vinnie. That's it. Thank you, Sarah. It was part of it.

I'm just going to call it Tar-Racks. I'm just going to call it Tar-Racks. I'm just going to call it Tar-Racks. It was part of Tar-Racks, wasn't he?

Yeah. Don't worry, Sarah. I might just tell you in a minute. That's what I love about them as well.

They do go back and they did bring back characters from the actors. Like the actors, like that episode where the original Meg comes back when the ghost is coming back. And Bobby's wife comes back and the original Meg comes back and the police officer from just the fellow, the first thing we've seen in the list. He comes back and they really did throughout the 15 series.

But I think that's probably how much fun Supernatural was to work on actors and actors who had big parts. We'll just to come back in the future. They were just like, yeah, we'll do it. I really love the episodes of any and I loved his and Dean's relationship.

I look forward to seeing them. So yes, I knew for correcting the name because I was the minor. I knew it wasn't Vinnie. I just knew it sounded something like that.

Well, you couldn't have had him in too long though. That's a problem because he was taking away from casting things with a relationship. But that was going to be the element there. But again, I love Supernatural because of the big bads that brought in.

But the kind of misstep with a few, you mentioned one Lilith with a build up brilliantly. And after you find out and get to the climax, we see it was a bit of a damn squid. It didn't quite hit the levels as you were expecting with Lilith. Yeah, especially given the shit shot that they didn't prove blood with it.

So yeah, I was expecting more. I was honestly in that last episode where they finally sort of get rid of Lilith. I shared more when they stabbed Ruby and killed Ruby than I shared with a couple of them. So yeah, definitely.

Like I said, there were certain elements. Again, I know we'll talk about the season that shouldn't have happened like a Leviathan episode. It was just like well, season because I think as Dick Roman was actually really good. Really quite so.

He's already asking, didn't he? Yeah. But he just had this shit monster in the back of it and kind of like, say it then what was it to come off to have you use like a magic stick? I've got what it was used.

I'm so cocky. So does it make sense? I think we're doing sticks with a magic stick and him and Kraskett sent a permatory. And again, go twist.

But then he doesn't stay in perfectly less than it. And it goes to the next season, but he's out of it. Pretty much straight away. It was a key blind as Dean.

Yes. It was Michael. That wasn't great. I think there was so many points I think of this is going to bring a bit more interest.

But then the reverse back to normal because it was scared of change apparently. But actually when Dean had the mark of Keyn and the mark to over him and he'd be commiting. Then you thought it's great. Are we going to get half a season now of Sam trying to get Dean back?

No, we've got about two or three episodes. Then again, the end when Dean fights Lucifer as Michael, just about getting to spoil episodes now nearly towards the end. Michael possesses Dean and then turns to the end, he's mine now and then goes into the next season. You think Grish, we've got a few seasons of Dean now being bad, which you do get.

It's kind of like first couple episodes, then he's back to normal thing. Yeah, couple episodes. Yeah, couple episodes in. It goes back to my season Z11, I believe.

Right. Right. Definitely not seeing that one in 12. Possibly because that's the one where they're bringing what he calls, Lucifer's son, which is absolutely to shade.

12 was 18 because that's what's done until that point. Which is the last episode of the season where literally it's just black everywhere. They've opened something up. That's our God sister, I believe.

And Marra? Yeah. The darkness. The darkness.

The darkness. That's the last point I watched. I don't know what that is. Because that's when the Convene Scott to come back to defeat the city's sister and he won't sort of bring Lucifer in trying to make Lucifer good, which again, always backfires.

But I can say that was again a way it's season that didn't quite hit the mark as a great idea. And that's when we find out Chuck is actually God as well. That's when they maybe announce because part of them back to like good old supernatural, they used the necklace to summon God or speak to God that he has. He's always that Sam Giver.

Great little there. Key there. But just before we move on to talk about like the little ones as well, can we just give it up for Chuck as well? I love the Chuck episodes.

Yeah. When he was the right way, right in the books of Supernatural and same Dean and Sam's reaction to their life story. His whole like story from like beginning to end is brilliant to watch. Like he is so good in it.

Like when you first came into it, you just thought, all right, he's probably not going to be that memorable. And then like by the end of it, you're like, Oh, do you see the right school play as well? Or did they get that from his boots? I probably spoke.

I love that episode. Yeah. And Chuck and Becky. Is it Becky?

Yes. Becky. That was going to be a game with a music like from the comic con. I'm actually seeing.

Just as laughing out, seeing all those 17s playing out and trying to bring everything. Yes. Yes. He's in seven time for a wedding, which has got some title.

It's the best. It's the best episode. It's so funny. Because she just wants to love him.

Yeah. I'm saying that you're fancy when you go that short. If you could think of a way of getting yourself in that situation, would you have been a yes or no? I wouldn't.

I'd be lying if I said no. Yes. But yeah, season seven time for a wedding is one of my favourite silly episodes. Yeah.

But then the killer off. I can say quite something. On Spector. Sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. That's the last season. Sorry.

Talking about guest stars though. Becky and right back. Right back in one of the season two, one of the special kids, Becky and Eva. Our guest stars from Jintress.

Yes. The film. Yeah. I did.

Yeah. Yes. The guest stars. I was pulling from the horrors.

I said Linda, I don't know if it was setting our third season where she's in prison guard. Yeah. Who is where fiancees in killing girls and giving necklessers to. The second season.

It was earlier on because it was when the Veloc study Winchester. Gordon's sidekick kind of guy is which corner from the Crow as well. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Is it really? Yeah. Is it my capacity? Something like that.

Yeah. Yeah. But as I said, the one from both of us, like, Spike and Cordelia, James Masters and Cassie, can't count, can't count, can't count. Chris, can't count.

Can't count, that's one. Yeah, which is as well. Lucifer, isn't it? The guy that plays Lucifer?

Oh, what's his name? The British guy. He's Laura Ilego and that's now, is Laura who really likes Lucifer? Tom Ellis.

No, it's Donna. Donna, I'm sorry Donna. Here, I show Tom Ellis, he's in an episode. Please a god or something like that.

I think it's a trickster episode. In the hotel? Yeah, that was another quote out with all the different gods around, to try and save the one in the venge, Lucifer, but then he comes in and suffers them all. The cameo is going to be under the cameo.

Yes, it's going to be under the cameo. It's not as good as the Brooklyn 991. It's going to be under the cameo. But yeah, brilliant.

Again, and all, as I said later on, the seasons got to sell you in the studio, especially when I said the bongos. But brought in a few characters. Again, I can't remember her relationship with Sam later on, the woman who was the deaf on now. Oh, yes.

Yeah, she was really good. You know, her and Sam's relationship was so well done. And you thought Sam could have a bit of happiness. And again, the woman who, like the police officer in Bobby's, Sheriff, extra, like I said, I've got an ear now, but I can't, we won't have a spin off season.

The way we'd sit this with her and class as daughter and the vampire last night, the rescue, and where they're going to do that. So they tried to spin off a few nights or? Yeah, did you ever happen? Did it just, it was an idea and then just nothing game of it?

I think I got a pilot, but it just never aired. Well, they used the episode as a pilot, I think. Like when the episode called We Are With Sisters, but also we're going to do one called Blue Lions as well, where they had Van Myers vs. Werewolves.

They had that, I think, was around season seven or eight. Again, they didn't get too much traction, but they tried looking at it, we had to spin it off. But as we said, we've not quite got the same traction as Sam and Dean on Fortran. There was an animated series that last different one season.

And there was a comic book series that last different future runs. I think it was a little bit more about that. I'll probably find it's warm in fact comics later on down the line. I was finished.

I mean, we are forward for the Winchester's to still live on. It would be nice to think that they could live on. Because there's a lot of different hunts or different sides. Sorry, that would not have been at all, because they're on and on and on and on.

Again, I can't believe it was spent so long and not mentioned one of the biggest and most important characters in this, baby. Oh, a car. What a car. What a beautiful car.

Yes. And like I said, before we do get in this point of season four, I put that again, that car was, was it a Chevy Impala? A Chevy Impala, 67? 67, I believe.

Yeah. I'm not good with the Dats, but as soon as you saw that car, that was made the show. And the music as well. I've never known a TV show that relied so heavily on the soundtrack.

And all the movies have done it so well. But as a TV show from start to finish, I know earlier on the music was a lot better than it was later on. But I sort of thought to see what tracks they were going to play and what songs they were going to play in Dats. It was always going to be some form of 80s rock.

But me and Anne always used to say it when the season ended and you had Carrie on. Carrie on where we would soon come on. We always said that song is Dean. It's a Dean song.

Not a Dean song, I think that is what Dean would listen to. But if you listen to it, it's Dean's character all over. And we love it. You do look forward to the end of the season for that bit to come on.

It got me really emotional because when I think it's a Dean song, I think of what it's been through that season. It just never had nothing to do with some. Even in the later seasons, even if the season hadn't been great when you got to the final episode and you just had that all over and get excited to get it. It's the final.

I want to clear the move that is. Nor any other shows that's done that. Or had that thing because when it first happened, you thought, oh, that was quite different. And then again, in the second season, you're like, right?

This must be a little signature, a little thing. And it worked so well. Did you do it the first or two seconds? I think the first season, the second one, that was just it.

It was a montage of what was happening. It wasn't the song. It did, but it's not on prime. Ah, that makes sense then.

That was the first time in the not on there. I was complaining about that so much before the music. So if you're watching it on prime, the music in the first two seasons has been completely changed because it didn't have the license in the play, the tracks. So is that my going to do that all the way through?

No, it's just the first two seasons, I think. So you don't get, like, you don't get when the first time in the pre-ACDC, you don't get that, you don't get back and back, you don't get what hybrid hell, you don't get carry on in the first couple of seasons. Right. Yeah, well, I was like, oh, they didn't have it in then.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It is on there and on the DVDs. On the DVDs, because on the Blu-Rizzard, I've got them on. Because that's why I remember, I think it was on Netflix as well, but it used to have it on Netflix where that song was on.

That's why I was saying really confused. I was like, I blew me away when I first watched the first season. Because I didn't know I never heard of it from Kansas. So I was like, get me a song now.

It's an Adam Sandler song. So Adam Sandler uses that song quite a lot in his films. It's always in there. Like, you're hearing, Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, all of these earliest of that song will always be in there.

I didn't realise how much of impact the music had until we started watching it again. And probably when it was different, I was like, it's not the same at all. I didn't realise how much it affected the music. But I didn't realise how good the editing was until the music was changed as well, which is really what we asked.

Because the way that the way, especially in the last season, when you get like the montage of previously on Supernatural, then you get carry on by the way, and the scenes of building up the width, that edited to fit in with that, like the beats and everything of the song so well, you don't realise until it's not there? Yeah. I get what you make. I totally get what you make.

It has such an impact. It's a mid-health ear song, has such an impact on what you're watching. Yeah. Ooh, I didn't know that.

I was wondering because I can't remember how I watched it originally. I can't remember. It was definitely on a streaming service. But remember the time streaming services are not like what we have right now.

But I did have access to the dodgy side of the internet. So I couldn't think of that. It was always a code you could put in to get the American Netflix. And the American Netflix always had the better stuff in Supernatural was on the American Netflix.

Well, the British one had Black and the other, something like that. And all the other UK office. And then when it was in the American, you had Supernatural and the City. So of course you were putting that in and getting letters of sky saying you are using the legal stuff.

Yes. Yeah. I was going to be Supernatural, because I didn't care. But again, there's so many different things.

Like I was saying, the episode of the Tricks that went and all the gods were there, who's done so well. I said that was an entertainment. You were watching the 60th, the Busted Asians. And then the Tricks was, I wasn't the Asian one for this one.

It was a Spanish, wasn't it? Because you had a Spanish touch. Yeah. Yeah.

It was the porn video and then it tells them what's going to happen next and goes on to the same San Andes reaction to go, oh, turn that off now. But are you ready to talk about the last season? Do you have the spoiler ones now? Yeah.

I'll do what we did on the Brooklyn Nine Nine one because that worked well. Just pause, spoil them right now. Yes. If you don't want to listen, don't listen.

If you've not seen the last season, go and watch it now. And then come back and listen. So if I can watch me cry. So if you're watching from now on, it's all news.

We are smiling now. No, I've seen. Even though it has been out quite a while. I haven't seen it.

I haven't seen it. But I do know how it ends. And I was just saying, oh, it wasn't the case of the internet room deferers. I went out and waited to go on.

I needed to know how it ended because I've always for all I have been watching, I have tried to keep one top of like, 17 and what they were doing. So I needed to know how it ended. But I want to hear you talk about it because when I'm just watching it from that scene and that scene alone and not getting a lot from it. So I would love to hear your.

I wasn't just the last scene. It was the last season trying to put right a lot of it's had 15 seasons. Lots of shows don't get 15 seasons. There's been a lot of shit.

There's been a lot of brilliant stuff. There's been a lot of characters that you love and try to put a lot of that right. Because with the end of the season before, it brought back pretty much everyone from the dead like Charlie was back, Bobby was back, like Dean's mother was back. And like I said, brought Jack in who was Lucy, my son.

It was just over infused with too many characters. Yeah. And you kind of went what matters now. We've watched 14 seasons and everything we've just watched, nothing gives a fuck about it.

Because they've just basically brought everyone back. And it's kind of like, I don't care anymore if it's that. They tried to bring the formula back as well. It wasn't all the way through the season, but it sort of brought back a monster a week.

A little episode, like a monster a week. It wasn't the first season, obviously, that had another story to tell. But it was the way more of them than had been in previous seasons. But what I loved about it as well, it explained elements like, as I said before, it didn't make sense to me how Dean Sam becomes super human and confide the angels and demons.

The premise of the last season is basically God had been using, like Chuck had been using Sam and Dean as their own play toys. And in Randy's book, he's been looking out for him, giving them special treatment. Right. And out of all the world he builds, there was his favourite.

And they had got pissed off with singing the Gods tournament for you. We're just doing everything I own now. And God, right, I'm not going to support you anymore. But then you saw Sam and Dean, there was in fights that normally would win.

He was taking things away that I loved, like characters that I brought back. He was taking them away in the season. But as Charles said, in between that, it brought them on the week back. The explained, cast and Dean's relationship perfectly as well.

I was so beautifully done, like to the point where again, even if I said, I know it sounds strange, in other words, they were in a gay relationship, out of being happy. It was so beautifully when it came to cast wars. He says, I love you and Dean says I love you too. And it was just so lovely and spot on.

But leading up to the final episode, where the battle in God, it's just so intriguing. Like, how do you fight God? And going through that emotions where this time Sam's the one trying to pick Dean up and trying to carry Dean's because Dean just gave up. Dean's just like, how do you fight God?

Yeah. Not just that, I think for me, their journey in the final season is one of the most interesting because they're like, for however many 14 seasons, whatever, they're the whole thing. We're making a difference. We're saving people.

This is why we're going through what we're going through. We've literally been to hell and back, lost everybody below. We're saving people, we're changing lives. And then God basically turns around and says, well, you don't necessarily have to do this.

I'm just bored and I need a bit of entertainment. This is why it's happening. And for them to suddenly realise, like, it's not in the grand scheme of things, it's not making a difference, it's just because somebody's bored. Like, then comment a chance with that in the last season is really, really good to watch.

Mm. I'm coming to the club, please. Oh, yeah. But yes, like, as I said, the relationships will make Jack-a-moke-a-doodle-rolls.

I don't know if you've been introduced to Jack yet. He's currently that I've been in need. No, we didn't. But as I said, the season before that, they get rid of Mary again, so they bring her back and take her way without much...

Mary's story actually had a different ending, but they had to rewrite it because the woman that plays out with, can't run any of her plays out some other things with her plays out. Actually, I don't know if she had breast cancer, not long before. So they brought a different ending for it. Right, okay.

I did not know that for that. Makes a little sense now because I didn't understand why they would bring, like I said, some other back, only to take away and make it quite brutal. Quite in a brook ending as well. But yeah, I think she was supposed to be in it for a bit longer, but then the problems happened with the film and the COVID and stuff like that.

I know they couldn't do everything that they wanted to do, but again, one of the things I'm always going to be going about and be a bit salty about is the way that the Trep Mark Shepherd, his ending to this, because he left two seasons before with going through the multiverse. Not even. The first thing I thought was the multiverse made a part. So it is actually, but I put it in, loose for one of the alternative worlds and loose for kills them, but they don't bring them back.

They don't give them a big hurrah. They do give, I'd say, Ruina a spectacular schist's trip from me in the last season. It's just one of the sandal performers. But again, the way that underplayed the last episode was done perfectly, because the last episode that you thought was going to be was going to be the battle between Dean, like the Winchester and God.

It's not. It's done an episode before. It finishes it nicely, where it makes sense how the bait God gives them that good, clean brick. So they do an next episode and I hope I do this just this jutmynally time Charlotte.

You get like a season finale and then you get the show finale, like it, you get like season 50 stone and then you get supernatural and then if that makes sense. It does massively. Go on. I'm listening.

It brings it full circle. Yeah, so they're going through a hunt, like normal hunt, just a few non-bait bad guys, anything that can deal with and Dean gets pushed up against the spike and you see the spike beforehand and Dean's again and you see the spike go through chest and you see the realization and Dean's face and it's because God's not looking after them anymore. They're not getting that support. So basically these two blocks shouldn't have lived as long as they had.

No God's fault and some realize it and things like no, this time I'm good. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah. And I'm excited that the look in both eyes and the speech and seeing like some going into the panic mode and Dean at peace.

The way it's shot as well. It's just all the audience realizes before they do because you see the spike and it goes back and then you see Dean realize and Sam doesn't know and then Sam realizes the way you know before they do and it's shot really well. And then Sam lets them go and then we'll get like a montage which again, it's not like a Rocky Montage where it's like a killer soundtrack and like run up the steps of Sam's life after the team but Sam continues to be under. Gets married, has a kid, he becomes under.

And as he's saying that the top is and everything and some pass away at all the age. Do you have a sickness? Just this is the bit I've seen. So I've seen not the montage but it's literally Sam dying and then the car.

Yeah. And then I think the end was apparently am meant to be whether we're going to go through like everyone's see like Bobby see the winch out like his mom and dad see Cass and go through but David the people on the wanted so they just don't have down played and the player with characters that I thought would work out and it is a lot of people said they were under the belt but it was so understated but when they did that was any other way if they went out any other way it wouldn't have worked as well. Yeah. It's the hey Sammy.

Yeah. I was like I watched it I like a pair of mine I had no context at all as to why Dean was there in the best place like yes I guess Sam died of all the age but I had no context whatsoever but just hearing him say it like bro it would probably like I was doing it. But do you not think that Dean like when you can correct this if I'm wrong but Dean not just being a piece just knowing that if he was if he stuck around or that you know trying to help him that he would kind of like Sam wouldn't have a life that he ends up having because he would always be with Dean. That was always going to be Dean's outcome though.

Or with anything. Because he never wanted anything like that. I know that we had a few fittings or he never fit in in normal society. That's not Dean's fault.

That could be done. That could be done raised out a little bit but it was the end and being needed to have him. He didn't want to go through his life hunting as well because you tell it being beaten down he would lost everything except from Sam and that was kind of like a gift to Sam's year one. You can do it.

That's such a nice way of putting that gift. And even on the third series he's got to go and live and he's tired then. And he's accepted his face. I think he's always accepted his face.

He's got the same. He's got the same. He's got the same. He's got the same sort of acceptance face.

Even if he doesn't get the outcome. Yeah. For me like having watched it from the first time it aired in the European for me. Like having fallen in love with it and fallen out of love with it and fallen back in love with it.

It was the ending I would have written as a fan like it for me it was yes I would have liked to see if you're more like guest stars and stuff but given when it was filmed it was understandable it was perfect. But again the attention to the Eland series the last shot is of them on a bridge wearing very very similar outfits to the first episode which started on a bridge. We found it. Didn't change any outfits for us.

The costumes were very the same. It was almost identical and it was just it was perfect. I cried like a baby. We were making jokes and I was like I don't have very...

But less than animal eyes I don't really cry. I'll get a little bit of me and be like oh that's all I've got. We will make a joke and have a cry. I'm going to be fine.