everyone and welcome to the Nerdy of North Park guests. It's a nerdy podcast and it's hosted by Northern nerds. I am, what are your horse Sam? And I was a horse paw but I seem to be melting into a just a puddle at the moment.
It's too warm even though I'm still reading. But yes, I am the other horse and we are joined by three very special guests. Well, two special guests, I'm one me and Cia, shall we see? I've got Phil by the common chick guest now, shit, he's going to take a look at the bigger one now.
So I'm part of this guest. So we are joined by the wonderful Nerdy Jesus himself, Jake. We are also joined by the beam of the seven foot tenth wonder of the world. That is Adam and we are joined by a wrestling guru, shall we see?
The wonderful and enigmatic Nikki who runs on wrestling discord. She does a lot of wrestling TikToks and she does a lot of wrestling talk on Instagram and on Twitter as well, I'll just fill it with her. And the reason why I wanted to get Nick, Nick, you're on a post-Nico bullshit a little bit as well, is because she does have interesting opinions on wrestling and she is very knowledgeable. But one of the first videos I did actually come across was Nikki, was basically her being a little bit upset because guess what?
Women like wrestling, it is allowed, it is and let's be honest, most women I know are a lot more knowledgeable, especially your ex-cidellics of Donner and stuff on the wrestling scene than me and the fact that she was a woman in hand of opinion on wrestling, she was getting shit and I was like, no, that doesn't fly with me. So we like, especially in the Nerdy Up North community, we do try and support everyone and give everyone like, say a chance to be themselves. So as soon as we get in a wrestling episode, I think you were the first person on message as well. So, yes.
Oh, thank you so much. No problem. You literally, you reached out to me straight away and invited me to join the Nerdy Up North Facebook and everything and it was just really nice to feel so welcome, so thank you for having me. Yes, so after I just blown some up the ass, tell us about the work itself.
You've got to wear with words and like, go on, yes. That's such a trauma. Yeah, so I just, I'm hyper-fixated on wrestling. I used to watch it back when I was a teenager, in the 90s and the attitude era and then I dropped off it just at the beginning of the progression.
I didn't actually get back into it until pandemic. Me and my partner, we always used to watch the rumbles though and then over time, we just started taking it back up and then maybe in May I'm just so obsessed and hyper-focused on it and then I'm a huge, true crime, kind of, I'm fascinated by it so like, eating a compounding hand. So I just like to talk, so I'll go on and take talking, everything. I'm trying to get people to just kind of enjoy wrestling together and talk about it without kicking off the guitar.
Yes, it is. And I think there is a lot of subjects that are quite polar opposite and do set people off on a lot of different things. I think wrestling is one Star Trek is another Star Wars, as Jake's, like, makes it hit everything other than Andora. I'll keep that gear just.
Actually, Nicky, can I ask a question? Because on one of our previous wrestling casts, we all sort of answered this question. Was it like a single moment that made you like, just nope out of wrestling? Because I think for me, it was Eugene and I know a lot of people have a moment that just was too far and they had to disappear.
Like, did you have one? I think for me, it was the kind of disintegration of the tag teams that I looked so much so at the Hardys and Eugene Christian and then the Deaf Lee's and everyone you had, they all came up on the road and I was just like, it's just not the same. And then, um, John Cena. Big one.
I'm sorry, Kevin. Sorry, Kevin. It's just like, I was already kind of out of it at that point and then I was just like, I'm out. But I do love him now.
I was just at the time. Yeah. And then, yeah, I never got back into it. Yeah, I think what John said, he was one of them, things you don't appreciate like how hard and like the stuff he does in it to at least off the screen for so long.
And Donnie comes back and he realized like, I wish we would just stay off a little bit longer. But yeah, you're. But, he took like, it took 15 years from the window, like that, you knew. Like, even then it's like very tenuous, like, where he does one thing rather than we drop immediately.
So just before we get started as well and we'll get Sammy to do her wonderful disclaimer, I just wanted to wish the nerd queen herself a happy, happy 45th birthday to Donna. Yeah, you're doing well for 45th and like, I see you and always your hen party well hen party one slash last night. I hope you next year not too home over and he survived. But happy 45th birthday to the nerd queen that is Donna.
45 years young. Just probably better killers. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Donna, for your sincere age.
I was senior years. That's what I just said there. It's not fucking way that girls older than me. I was gonna say it depends on how, how, how.
I'm not gonna do it. It's like when I was 50 so. That's a label. So it's fine.
So I have to get you to sleep. High bombs. Not the OB or M4 because of right. Actually, it stands for Chick Magnet.
It's not Chicago. Yeah. Right. Disclaimer.
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I think we'll have to. It's just to say that we understand that the topics and the subject matters that come with talking about the dark side of the ring and we are conscious of it. Yes. I think this is going to be as close as we can get to talking about things like true crimes, severe killers, but in the lovable, colorful world that is professional wrestling, where everything is amped up to the end degree.
But there is some sad topics. There is some heartbreaking topics and there is some just things where you think, good, what the fuck? All them will be discussed in tonight and we will try and have fun with it, but we will take that on a serious note as well. And because we would do respect that these people have actual lives and these things actually did happen to a lot of the people and still are happening to a lot of people out there as well.
So. And we told the appreciate that certain things could trigger other people and we just want to know that we are very, very aware of that. Cool. There you go.
So the first thing it is, how fucking hard is it to find the dark side of the ring on the internet now? Absolutely impossible. Is it impossible? Yes, we had to use very, lots of dodgy means, like they do do up north.
There was a lot of cars. There was a lot of strange things for them, especially for the season four. But go on back, you don't realize there has been four seasons of this, but there's not been any uniformity to me to the seasons. So once the first season had, what was it, six episodes?
Just get the right answer. I have the list right here. It was six episodes in the first series. It was 10 episodes in the second.
It was 14 in the third and 10 in the fourth. And one of the funniest things I do want to point out about this show as well, because it is entertainment and it does give you a look behind the curtains of what goes on like in the professional world and how they live their lives and stuff as well. The person who complains the most online about Brigham Kea Kefiab, destroying the wrestling business by throwing this, is on the most fucking episodes in this show. Jim fucking Cornette.
I've never seen a person so excited to tell a story or to call someone I couldn't, as much as this guy. And when you see him go online at Brigham Kea Kefiab, you're breaking the mistake, you're killing professional wrestling. What the fuck are you doing, you dick? Sorry, I had to get that out of the way.
I'm glad you got that one out of the way with Biggly. I find him slightly interesting. I understand he is a massive villain, but I like him more for how much he hears Vintra Rousal. But that man needs to get in the fucking seat.
It's just for a lot of stuff that I do, play him. The sort ego, that's the big thing that we'll discuss in professional wrestling or the dark side of the ring. The amount of egos that go into running this or everything that's involved. It's scary that these people can call you sister times and the explosions that do happen is quite interesting, but Jesus Christ.
For the person and the goal to come out and say this kind of stuff is killing a professional wrestling. And then he's like, hi, I'm Jim Cornette, a wrestling historian, but this guy like this. It's like, yeah. Yeah, if you're going to go, I didn't realise he was going on Twitter and blasting people for talk and like he does.
Yeah, he's got his own podcast as well. He's got there's many, many, many hours of Jim that you can listen to. It's not slowly stuck in. He's an interesting one though, because like you can tell he absolutely loves wrestling for like too much to like a point where like it's his way or the higher way for like every single bit of a new show about wrestling.
Am I being the case back in the day when he was like big? No, no, it's totally changed. So come on to the show, like say we've got the first season, like say that was a good starting point. And the episode I'll start with is the big one.
I think the one that basically when we heard when I heard this show was getting me, I was like, please let him do the Montreal screw job. I would look, I know we've all heard the backstage stuff and we've we've heard we've seen the documentary like say with Brett not going to advance in the show and seen him limbing out after having a broken which is fucking hilarious. I'm giggling the way about just thinking about it. I'm giggling also with the fact of how much um triple age coward when he can boo him down the hall we in triple age just cow is out the way.
And I think wow. The thing is back then, I had no stroke. I know the people who they interviewed for it. It was quite enlightening to see the side like Dune Cornette and like Vince Russo with the two men being people at that talk.
And it was interesting to get heaven's view on it as well. Like hearing it from the referee side because he's like after that moment, his career pretty much never recovered. Like I know what a T&E was in T&E was. No, no, like but then there's the part where he was like, I swear on my children's lives that I didn't do anything.
And then it turns out like yes, he was told about it. Yeah. It's like, yeah. It's like, yeah.
It's like, it's like, yeah, it's like, it's two of them, isn't it? There's two because there's twins. Yeah. And Earl was with them and and normally it's because he was in my favorite match is backlash with Triple H and the rock because they sacked him.
And then Linda, you know the scene set was Linda McMahon brought him back at the very last second and he did the three count to the level. So like as a character, Oh heaven it was like a fan favorite, but like backstage he was getting up to shit. What was he doing out of like, does he like, like, like stolen bits of like wrestlers like feeling stuff? Yeah.
Yeah. He was stealing it from like a lot of rooms and stuff. And then he was selling it as like memorabilia. In the car park after the shows, yeah.
Absolutely. He's absolutely little Cretin like. Probably a little car. No, no, no, no.
So yeah. So the question I put asked after watching this episode as well, was the Monte Olsruk screwdriver work on it? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It was massively. So well, it's it's so plain to see obviously, but like it just how Brett didn't see in common. It's crazy.
I know he's like this mild managed like Canadian guy, but yeah, we didn't see it coming. Yeah, he's not tough. So how many didn't see it coming? So the most of me it looked like it wasn't going to happen.
I liked Scott Hall's interview with it because I thought it was quite talent because he's very much about the business. Like it's all about the money when it comes to Scott Hall. And his his point, he put across as good. There was never any shots where the camera guy in the booth panned away from Brett during the end or they didn't cut it off early.
And he went, do you think like an organization ran by Vince? I know he wasn't in the back then. The able didn't as soon as I saw what Brett was doing, like when he was like doing the WCW writing that buttons, would they not have been an audience here cut away? Yeah.
That's a bit of a Vince or something. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Would have.
Yeah. Absolutely massively. I mean, was it at Lunder of Layers who binged the women's championship? Yeah.
WCW. Yeah. That's basically what we're worried about. Yeah.
That's what the word pandemic and all the was what she had done. What she had said. I love saying her name, by the way. What she had said, they were worried that was going to happen.
So yes, they would have cut it just to make sure that that wasn't shown on Telly. Of course, then you know what was going on. Because I think like I don't think Brett and you, but I think Vince was like, this will be like really juicy if we do it this way. And I don't think I think like Brett legit said he would drop the belt the next row.
That's on camera because beyond the mat, beyond the mat we're filming, like at the top. And Vince stupidly let the camera crew record his conversation where he's basically promising Brett that he won't do exactly what he's about to do. But yeah, like it's such a shame because like I genuinely believe Brett didn't know at all. And I think he was like he was taking like McMahon on good face that he would like he would do solid by him.
Yeah. And also it was a good way for him to get a raw reaction. Yeah. It was like keeping on him with the camera and everything like that.
It was like I work to do and I'm going to show where it's kind of like I think I think that kind of thing just took it. And so much positive. It's sort of you saying it was a big thing that I think I didn't really know because I was going to happen. Yeah.
I think as you said Brett's reaction was completely genuine. Like I don't think he could have been or he wasn't that could have been after. It was never going to be like the scene or the rock afterwards. But it was a shame.
And I think it did tarnish the legacy a little bit. But on the other side it kind of killed WCW because when Brett went there he did for golf and all. He got injured off of Corburg and all that. Yeah.
And Corburg finished his career though. It was like the kind of kick that concussion that ended him never officially wrestled probably again after that. But there was a lot of different aspects of different things that came from it. Like we got the boss man, Mr.
McMahon character that basically ended up feuding with Stone Cold and becoming like the biggest deal in WWE or even wrestling history to date. There's not been like I don't think wrestling at the time boomed as much. But that came off and played off what we got from that night. And all it wasn't on the set of stories but the person's interview I always found really interesting was Mick Foley's afterwards.
And I think he'd done an interview on the documentary web read films like what I was a kind of remembered where he was one of the ones that quit on the other spot and he wasn't at Raw the next year. It took him a week to be calmed down and talk back into comment but he basically he was one of the wrestlers that was ready to throw down and kill Shawn Michaels. And all. It's in his book.
It's in his book and he describes it like we're all sitting there in this room and we're like, yeah, we're quitting. We're fucking he was the only one who walked out. Nobody else joined him. So he was the only one.
I remember reading that and thinking, oh, I'm making mint. You really are like, you really are like he really stood by what he said and how he felt about the business. But it did take him a long time to to come back around properly. I'm 100% and in a way and all of relationships and all front and who do what the two big bikers with bald heads and I've gotten the names of them now.
But there was like factions and they were healthy angels. Oh, like it was like crushing something like that. I think it went in the back hand on them, but they were going to take Shawn Michaels out and deal with them until the Undertaker told them not to. Obviously because basically and apparently the Undertaker had a main event afterwards as well and they had to sit down and that was the only person that basically Shawn Michaels was worried about upsetting because he thought if the Undertaker was pissed up and he would have been fucked, he would not be covered.
But it was a short how far back the Undertaker's influence goes. Yeah, he's very much been like McMahon's sort of like eyes and ears in the back. Like, for a take a husband. Yeah, he was saying he was the judge.
He was the judge, wasn't he? Yeah, I was the judge. Yeah, and the rest of the council. Yeah, it was a Harris was called.
It's got the name of the Miss back into the dressing room. I watched that video at the on TikTok. I came up on my algorithm. Yeah, it was the Harris Brothers.
Someone's just saying the chat. Yeah, so that was one of the things. And because it was basically them and the default against Sabio Vega and like the Puerto Ricans and stuff. So what happened like gang was whether that was like a thing we're trying to do at some point.
It was like a bunch of different gang factions and all the matches. I kind of recognize that name of the Harris Brothers. No, that would be like that was like a couple of years before like actually was like a lot of stuffs kind of went off of a lot of people's radar. It was a lot of talent on basically W's books that wasn't really being used or being utilized whether it was all like in like tag matches and stuff like that.
But like say there were genuine hard men's or like tough men that basically were actual bikers and stuff and used to hang out with the undertaker and stuff as well. But the bone street crew. The bone street crew. Yeah, I'll get the main street posture on your door.
But it was B.S.Q. Wasn't it? Yeah, it was closed up with the kids. Undertaker's got that tattoo gun.
It's not normally good. So that's basically the Montreal screw job. I know it's just like a little tears on it as well. But there was a lot of interesting ones in the first season.
The one that I said does always like when I watched it back and it did stand out and it was quite scary and it was basically the kind of brutal B.R.O.S.E. Unbelievable. That literally did affect me more than I was expecting. Yeah, same here.
And just hearing it, I can't remember his name. It wasn't 20 out there. No, it was 20 out. It was not the sure of it.
Because I remember thinking to me, I was watching the, oh, God, I can't remember which one of them to do. And I was like, I'm sure he was on there. That's how I recognize the name. Well, you're right though.
The way they told that story in that episode, it was like, it was probably like edge of your seat kind of story. Tell him for like the little play-by-play timeline that did what the good figure out happened on the night and stuff like that. I generally thought he was all right. Yeah, that was going to do it.
That's how much I was invested in it. I really thought he was okay. And I was devastated. I find like, oh, I was so crushed by the episode.
That was one thing. The name of the episode is the killing of Broody Brotha. But when you're watching it, I was like, please don't let him die. And when, I think the narrative as well, because normally it's Chris Jericho or someone else, it's mostly Chris Jericho or just the narrations, but on this one, it was Mick Foley.
So added a little bit more to it and a little bit more. Cause it starts off with mixing the person who we model his career on and the person who we wanted to wrestle when, I'm going to grow up and I'm going to wrestle Bruce Broder. But starting off on that episode, I don't know why any fucker would want to wrestle Bruce abroad. Yeah, no.
It was a bit of a gentle giant though, wasn't it? No, wasn't he? Fuck. I'm going to take the second year in the room.
We actually beat you up with each other. If you want to, if you want to money, fuck, you'll be stopping on your face. You'll get carried out. That's why the guy wanted to stop him.
Cause apparently he was going to get, I think in the interview, he was going to go, he was getting groomed to be going to WWF at the time. And he was going to be like a Puerto Rican star. Like basically what the guy's name was. I was listening to a podcast about it with the Dias.
It was a J something. It was Hosey. Hosey, sorry. Hosey, Hosey.
Hosey. Nandes. Yes, that's what's the one. Yeah.
I can't remember the surname, but yeah, it was, it was Hosey. Yeah. And he was basically getting like, like, but he was going to like take over that company where he was in. And they didn't want it.
So with everyone being local down there, they all looked out for each other. So they basically just, off them. I was interested to say Carlos, Colones, I take, like I know they always do like with the can't get an interview that will go back and see like some of the, some of the interviews and like things that have done the past. But like Tony Atlas's take on it was just absolutely heartbreaking.
How, again, I might sound like a decade with Dutch Mantell sounded like a bit of a, it was a bit of a, was that a bit of a pussy? Because he just basically said, I didn't say anything, I disappeared, I walked out. And then it was like, when the police come and stuff like that, everyone was trying to hide it, but then it was only Tony Atlas who had the balls to see it. That's the decade who killed my friend.
And I thought that was quite telling as well. Yeah. I think it still affects Tony from the interviews to the steer. I think it still got a lot, like it took a lot from the do that.
Massively from watching it. It's been, I think I watched the first series as it was coming out. So it's been quite sometimes since I've watched that episode, but I do remember feeling really deflated afterwards and massively deflated. And but of course that's going to stick with Tony Atlas.
Like you watch these pretty much what these friend members. Yeah. And what do you want to think about really? No, exactly.
And like you're meant to be, you're in an industry of tough men. You're a tough guy. Like you should be able to sort this out and that was really fuck with your head. Well, as it goes back to what Paul was saying as well, about like how many like giant egos can you fit in one like backstage area?
Like it's so like toxic and explosive that but like back in those days, you could get away with a bit more because there wasn't cameras everywhere. So there's building a lot of like crazy stuff that's gone out in like old school territories. Yeah. 100%.
I think like I said, I was the first season of the ring. The two watt pit-hormmer is the most. And I was never, I was never, I was never a fan of Eric's friends. I was the other two, not old enough to really to appreciate them.
I was saying, yeah, I think it's amazing that the Texas tornado wrestled with that foot. Yeah. That blows my mind. But the two things is the brick- kiln-fursa-browsy just because the narrative of the story and how like, see it, you wanted them not to, not to have the end in that when you, what was coming.
But the misalizive, the story as well, like, oh yeah, that's, that was a really hard work. Especially if you know friends, you have people that had been in like, kind of like control and relationships and knowing how bad it was to see what she went through as well. Because when you watch a back on TV and you see it with like Hulk Hogan or Macho Man or like later on with like Lex Luger, she always seemed really happy and really nice and loving and know what she went through back then. That was a tough watch for me personally.
Yeah. That one was a bit, it was huge for me because that was the time when I started watching wrestling was with the likes of Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth. And Miss Elizabeth didn't really sit with us very much because she wasn't, she was too nice for my leg. And it wasn't until Sherry Martell came on the screen.
I was like, that's my woman. But I did one of my favorite storylines was between Macho Man and Ric Flair. When Ric Flair was trying to steal Miss Elizabeth the way and he was thought or shopping all these pictures. That was really, really tacky.
But I did love that time and well that's when I started watching. And just to know that them smiles are false and it's big. It's big too, even more outside of wrestling. And to know that she went from one bad relationship to another.
And Lex Luger deserves to be in fucking prison. deserves it. A lot of difficult ones as well. I know like what did you, like the first season as well.
I know you're like the professional with the Norton everything. Which one's kind of stowed out to you? No, I've got a website that I've been in memory sometimes. But I haven't terrible days and things have to write everything down.
Was I my own how? No. No. I think that's quite late.
Yeah, that's like the third series. That was a third. Oh my head. It feels long ago because of everything that happened after the plane ride from hell.
Like when that was sort of aired, like the shit stormed up. I'm sorry. I had to absolutely kill. Oh yeah, I think you've broken up a little bit.
Yeah. On my end. Are you still there? But my internet is just really bothering me right now.
Oh my god, is that Storm over you? Oh no. I don't know. Don't worry if anyone doesn't know where.
There's a storm raging across the UK at the moment. Yes. Our internet is not used to it. Don't worry.
If anything does happen, we'll get your back and make sure we're not like in this anything as well. So don't worry. And but yeah, the camera from hell. Yeah, we're going to jump in.
Like a cat. Bless you. And the only thing again from season one that I think needs to be like addressed. And again, I don't think it was addressed properly on this episode.
I think it came afterwards like after like the big shitstorm. Oh, and the fabulous mule got named like say the battle royal at the trophy and everything and then everything came out and kind of glossed over it a little bit in this episode. That's why. Yeah, the kind of like, yeah, she did all this really shitty stuff, but it's okay.
She's dead now. Like, she's like, yeah, we could just forget about it because she's dead. Yeah. No, I'm sorry.
Her legacy is now completely not really tarnished in my opinion what she did to them women. And I was disgusted with this. I always thought she was kind of like a pillar when it came to women's wrestling. And that was, you know, someone to be looking up to someone to be respecting.
Nah, fuck her. That she's dead. No, wow. I think that one really shocked me.
Definitely shocked me. Because obviously, like, even now, there's still so many people who don't know about it. And she still gets some more trying to recognition of praise. Yeah, like you said, no.
I think it was definitely like a big fish in a small pond thing back then as well. Like if you were like, if you were top of the women's wrestling, like, she was with the promoter of the company, wasn't she? Oh, yeah, she was. Yeah, so she got all the best matches and all the title shots and everything.
So I was like, she just fell into it because the guy who ran the company like that, was it? Yeah, they should have everything that they did for the men should have been in change to me, young. Everything should have been changed and put into the hands of that woman. Because that is a true fucking champion of women.
Why? She wasn't traumatized because of the royal roughness. No, no, I just said. Have you heard anything bad about her?
Well, look, she ran with me, a young thing. She didn't do anything. Well, there's nothing came out to say that she was instigating it. But she bullied and harassed a lot of women as well.
She was a tough egg. She would break someone's lego arm to get further in the business as well. Well, again, I'm not saying that to Pat. I'm not saying that it's a good or a bad thing because men have done that for years and they've been praised for it.
So again, just because she was tough, but she wasn't the same. She didn't do, but anyone that's in the wrestling business, not one of them could put the hand on the heart and say, I've lived a good life. I haven't fucked over somebody to put my eye on me. I see a lot of people in general like that.
That's probably more true. But it's a difficult one to start trying to say I'm going to praise someone or to build. I always thought that she was kind of like, but she was a bit of a saint. I never heard anything bad about it.
I know what she used to. I don't want to fucking say anything about it. I was watching some of the people talking about her in the Billy boys when they first met her at a table. They're kind of a bit soft with that.
And she went backstage and slapped the shit out of one of them and said, don't you want to get pussied and do what you're talking properly? Yeah. I was like, hold the table. You can't let the table.
I had just put up a table, so you know, adrenaline and everything. I think I see the talk about certain aspects with a touch on her face trying to prosecute the women out for about two minutes in this show. And it was kind of like, oh, that's really scary and really horrible to be gotten out of that situation. And then it's like, all right, yeah, let's go to the back.
I was just all back there, give a 20 minute feature to how she saw back the World Championship. I was like, we're there. Fair enough that's a dick move. But at least back then, the prostitute and the women.
That's the scary thing. That's the thing that you should rely on and focus on. Yeah, no back to the good fluffy stuff. Yeah, it was horrifically done in a way to kind of like, yeah, we're going to just mention this, but we're going to go all the way to the shift and the shift your eyes this way.
Look over there. Do you think the show is a little bit scared of getting too close to big crime stuff like that? That's not that isn't sort of like, people haven't been convicted for because I've noticed there is like, there's plenty of like, glaring emissions and stuff, you know, like from the big stars who could easily do a dark set of the ring episode on, but I'm wondering if they're a bit scared of the more you're still like at the moment, like probably. Is there a sexual limitation on a dead person?
I don't know. Well, I mean, it's just like the family and that as well, isn't it? That's true. Yeah.
But that leads us on to the next episode, which I've only ever watched once. And it is one of the most frightening things to watch again. Part of Britain, the law, fucking New Jack, the life and crimes of New Jack. Did you just watch this episode?
I've seen it before. You know, recently. I've watched it today. You watched it today.
So, Nick is braver than me. After I watched this episode, I never wanted to bump in a New Jack or like, say hide in New Jack. Basically, just like a few highlights of this episode in one ring, he thought some wrestler pissed him off. So he stabs him in the ring.
That's what you do. That's what you do. He thought he was being disrespected by putting in with like, say, like a wannabe wrestler. Basically, it was a fan and he was like, and so it was like, it was like, you're not young.
Yeah. All those were breaking the watch. And he pretty much speed him to death. Yeah.
Let's transit. Oh, that is awful. Amen. He did that.
So much like it lied about his age. Yeah. He was actually 17. And so before he got in, he actually approached New Jack and New Jack's the veteran in this situation.
And so he approached New Jack and said what he wanted to do in the match. And I wanted to get this in. And also I want to bleed, which New Jack's a super disrespectful because who's this kid coming telling me how to lay the match out to lay the match out and make him bleed. And so he cut him across what he put in too deep.
So he actually cut two arteries. And he's like, his dad is in the audience. And you can hear him going, he's always editing. And so yeah, the whole thing was to, he felt disrespected by the kid.
He was called Eric Kowlas. Sorry. And so it's a lesson that you don't come in. All the veterans have to do things which is like, so fucked up.
But that's just like the least of New Jack's bad shitness. And he actually, he actually, I was going to say, still wrestle study, though. That's the crazed thing. You can, he's not done yet.
Is he? He's dead. He's dead. He's dead.
He died shortly after this episode. That's what I was just about to say. Yeah. He died.
It wasn't like people a long time ago. What was it? He died the 14th of May 2021. This episode aired on the 31st of March 2020.
Oh fuck, I didn't know. Sorry. You're creating some footage. Literally flew under the radar.
I found out, I think you're just scrolling through Twitter. And it just said something really basically, I was like, I'm writing New Jack. I was like, what? Yeah.
You did. Yeah. Wow. I thought he was alive.
I thought he was like, because I was watching it. If you were Paulina, he was like, when he was talking about the ECW invasion, he was like, I'll bring this person in. I was like, I'll really fuck with him. I'll bring New Jack in.
He was like, no, I can't bring New Jack in. Because that'll just, like, I'll never work with WWE again. But I'll just never work. Yeah.
It was a crazy, crazy episode. Paul, you can sleep a little bit more. So I need to like, then there's one less New Jack in the world. Yeah.
Yeah. But he's like, one she dreams. It wasn't for the world. Yeah.
That comes up quite a lot the whole, like, I'm going to teach like the new word of lesson. Yeah. Like, like, Frugen Bradshaw basically used to be those guys, like, for the boys in the back, would be like, they did it to the Dudley boys when they first came and were like, I'll put them in the first ever match against Frugen Bradshaw. These guys will be to shout out to them.
And if they come back, then we'll be like worthy of like, joining the roster properly. It's just like a really bad, like, classic cycle. Yeah. He's like, yeah, he's like, yeah, he's like, yeah.
Yeah. I absolutely hate what they did to Bradshaw. He was fucking amazing with their Frugen. They were in the APA.
That's what I was going to say. I guess, fully in WWE. No, no, when he was with the AP, when he was doing that whole stick of the APA, that I absolutely loved watching that. He's like, long black hair and bead.
And then they're fucking, that's key around. For a long time though, Bradshaw was. And all that's the real one. For the long time though, Bradshaw was one of the longest-wearing WWE champions.
Like, I mean, after they split him up and they brought him as JBL. Like, the money mogul. Because it was, like, I hate to say it because Bradshaw is a dick, but he did have so many favourite matches with Eddie Guerrero. Like, his stuff he did where Eddie was just absolutely magic to watch.
But again, sorry to jump a little bit here. Just like, I know we're talking about Bradshaw. Texas is a good little crossover into one of the funniest episodes. And we can laugh at this one.
The Broth Roll episode. Because this, like I said, was settled. Dr. Death Williams was set up just because Bradshaw opened his mouth and said, if we were really fighting, I would beat the shit out of everyone in this locker room.
So Vince Russo went, okay, I don't like Bradshaw. Let's put his money where his mouth is. Because at the time, his career wasn't going anywhere. So he just got a few tough men and put a few mid-partas went, but don't make some money.
But I remember, because I was a kid when I was a kid, when they've done the Broth Roll for years, does any of you remember it live? Yep. Not live, but just ever so slightly afterwards. Because I was very confused why I was watching Foxen.
Yeah, I've seen the knock out. I think it's like a half a minute. Yes. Yeah.
Isn't it like they just didn't expect it was a bar of gun to do as well as what he was doing? Yeah, they didn't do the research. Kind of like the shit, now they're shit their pants. And he was kind of like coming out on top all the time.
Well, only if Steve Blackman wasn't injured, he would have kicked the shit out of all of them. Apparently, like, he was actually like legitimately like, could kill you. He was a lethal man. He was terrified.
He was terrified. Yeah. I love the story. Like, actual story, but I don't know if it's true, because you know wrestling stories when I make up and think, when someone did a shoot interview and said, JBL, try to have a bit of fun with Blackman at the airport by pushing him on to the carousel with the things.
All Blackman did was turn around and kick him straight in the face and knock JBL, clean out. And he just picked up his bag and left them knocked out on the floor and airport. Yeah. My God.
I think I remember like, I didn't think I remember like, didn't he like, do his pants as well? I don't know if that's actually a problem. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
There's so many lessons. He's got one of those faces that just looks like he would actually smile if he killed you. I remember when they introduced JBL, I know that they were going off to such a company. Now, when they introduced JBL, I went into the WWE, because it was almost like a shoot.
They don't like it was a fan running in, trying to save them, had Vader lying on top of them. And it was like, Vader's protecting this fan, and it's like, see Blackman thing. And then, like, say they're doing a tag team match, and then turns out he was like a martial arts, and now he got a contract. I know it'll be doing really hard as a way of doing it, but that one just feels like, probably weird just with the Vader lying on top of him.
They did not know what to do with him, though. Like, pairing him off with Al Snorl. That was the best tag team ever had, Jeez. It was so good.
It was so good. It was like, you know, Chees-hat, yes. They just didn't know what to do with him, but I still think one of these members was him and Shane McMahon. That was pretty cool.
That was a pretty good match. Yes. So the brawl for all, as you said, they didn't know what the hard wind bar going, and they just sent it to the same team. And again, there's two people out of the vault, brawl for all happening the way it is.
One, Vince Russo, because he's a ballend. Jim Ross massively, because he tried to, he saw it as a way of getting Dr. Death over, so he tried to fix it and get people paired up and have them fighting with who they wanted to. A lot of people give Jim Ross credit and say, good old Dr.
But people forget, behind the scenes, he was a monster to a lot of these talent as well. He was talent relations, wasn't he? Oh my god, my whole perception on Jim Ross is going to be tarnished now. No, I'm sorry, Sammy.
There's nobody in wrestling that's clean at all. No, I feel like I should know that given how I've been watching it for. So I think I should know that by now. I think one weird thing I heard about Jim Ross was that he was actually quite back-full-bick about wrestlers' shapes and stuff like that.
He has the same image. Because obviously everyone knows Vince has his perfect image of a man, and thank god John Cena was born. He has the image that he has, and Jim Ross was no fucking different. He had the same image that's been said for the perfect wrestler.
But he's not in the same shape as Vince. He's in excellent shape at all times. I mean, still bad. It's just weird that he was carrying on that, because that's all toxic attitude.
I think what Jim Ross's biggest problem was, and again, and this is probably going down, we all have it in a little way. If he is a bit of a collector, like we all are collectors, we can see. He wanted anyone that made it to be one of good old JRs boys that he's picked, and anyone that he didn't pick used to didn't get a push. That's why Bart Gunn had the trouble that he had, because he knocked the fuck out of JRs boy, Dr.
Death. That was one of the most brutal knockouts I've seen in a long time. And to basically go from saying the winner is going to get a push and going to be fighting against Austin. They weren't going to win Austin, but they couldn't see Bart Gunn Austin headline any type of view.
So that's why the punishment said, right, we're going to put you up against the prize fighter. But I've been, and that was one of the scariest things I've seen in the rest, because I actually thought Bart Gunn was going to die when he got when he was getting hit. Because even but I've been said in the interview, he stupidly came out and tried a box with me. And seeing that back and seeing that, like literally, you're watching knockouts with you and you're almost caught on.
You see him lift up off the floor and he's like, he's next to Etches about this long as well. So yeah, everything about just terrifying, but for that to be punished, and they kind of just killed his career in a way as well. And the amount of careers that was killed because of the brawl for all is just like terrifying as well. Yes.
It was such a stupid idea. Well, to be fair, I think the only person that actually came out as well was GBL, just not because of the brawl for all, just because of who he was and they stand in with the company. But the fact that like Vince Russo created this idea just to piss off or just to prove that GBL wasn't all that is just like, can't he wrestling like all over, like how it works? Can't I wrestling a little bit of the best?
Yeah. The next one's a bit controversial. I thought that all been season two with it. I'm leaving that one to the last, I think.
I had a big one. I had a big one leave that for a bit, but the next one's a bit of a controversial one is the Jimmy Scepter in the dead of Nancy Argentina. Yeah, fuck that's hard on that one. Well, is it?
It's difficult to like to watch back now after what happened. And again, it's busy wrestlers covering shit or hiding things and money talks and a lot of things that probably has happened. Again, it's similar to the Miss Elizabeth one. And there's so many different stories when it comes to like women in wrestling or people's families in the wrestling industry, how they are, trett by wrestlers or different by scene.
This one was a hard one to watch. Again, it's not one that I've personally went back and looked over just because of how none bothered. I think that was the best way that Jimmy Snook was after this or I still like until he passed away like he never really admitted or barely stands up. He had a career, he had a life, but I don't see, I can't remember if it was a case of he did it or they think he did it.
I've generally come up with it. He definitely did it. He got convicted. He got convicted for it.
Yeah, convicted for it. But it was McMahon threw so much money at the case, which is that's basically his main move is to just like he's got these crazy expensive lawyers. It doesn't matter if he could get away with a 20 grand fine or whatever, he'll just throw the high-fives lawyers at it. It basically what he said to the territories, he'll just like muscle his way through, even court cases, even murder.
I found out this this time now is is Nicky's always the best thing I've ever done. I think he might be frozen this year. Yeah, I think I think so. Oh, cool, Nicky.
You can hear us. It's me and I'm not bad. I want to consider it. It's like, I think it's like noise canceling your voice.
I think he's listening, you can get back in the call. I'll keep an eye on it if you're rejoined yourself. I thought you was like really in-depth in and also. I was like, oh, that's just me.
The interesting thing about that snuck going on was like, like you say, the callousness of him, like there was no remorse because I'm guessing like he had to live with yourself. Would you have to just believe you're like, you have to like, you got it. I don't think any of us are being put in that position. So we will never know for sure.
But surely you've got to completely 100% convince yourself that didn't happen. Yeah, yeah. And it tarnished us. Is that his daughter to Mina?
Yeah, she tarnished her career at the same time. Like it's a total fault. She should have been huge in respect not just of her name, but of her actual ability as well. She is a good wrestler.
And I always could never understand how she wasn't getting the push that she's a snuck. Like, why would she not? She got on Toldevis for a bit. She couldn't wrestle though, I was being honest.
No, but there was like potential like that. There was potential there. She had the build. She had the look, she had the name.
There's nothing that they couldn't have worked with her own. She was told and all the other women as well. So it just really looked so important. And it would have been like great if she was actually like really good.
Exactly. There's nothing that they couldn't have like worked on with that. Yeah. She just never really materialised up to where potentially she could have been.
She was always kind of like someone else a shadow. And this news getting bigger and bigger. I mean it was always no one. But this news getting bigger, definitely like cut off her career.
So it's like honestly like Jimmy's just wrecked a bunch of eyes. Oh, no. Oh, there you are. I got you back there.
That's fine. I generally thought you would just deepen North for a minute because you'd frozen. But you're not. Can you hear us, Nikki?
We can hear you. No, we can hear you. No, we can hear you. Right.
We can hear you. You hear us, Nikki? No, I don't need you, can. Right.