live. I have every one and welcome to the Nerdio of North podcast. It's a nanny podcast and it's hosted by Northern nerds. I am one of your hosts Sam.
And I am the king of sweat and that is just dripping from me. Living the core of the dream as we speak. Yes, we are all source of dish and eating and not in the same rooms doing this over zoom. So I can't infect the world.
But yes, hi nerds. So we are joined tonight by two fabulous guests, the beautiful, the eggnap, I'm gonna get the word out for the pin in the arty is Korea. Let's be honest. I thought you were going to go to an agatastic.
The egg man, get that song played up. And the saucer herself, the D&D maestro, that is Sarah. Maestro. Maestro.
Wow. Yes. And just to say as well, I know he's probably not watching live, but if he's watching like tomorrow, I think I hope you had a nice birthday yesterday, Jake. I know I say we weren't meant to have nerdy plans, but with me having COVID, I had a spoiler.
So I am sorry. I hope you did have a nice year. And I did catch a bit of your stream last night. And for the record, Nat kicked your arse.
That's all I'm saying. You think we have a photo on the stream at least? He did. Yes.
But yes, and we seem to have a lot of people in the chat. We've got Scottish geek guy, howdy, nice senior. We've got Lee who's said picture in the discord today. Honestly, if I had a bit more time and didn't feel the shit, you would be getting nigger pictures of Lee on this podcast because he has been posting topless pictures on the discord.
And if that isn't a advertisement for the discord, I don't know what else it would be. That's slag anyway, I'm just going to go and check the discord. So yes, we've got the lovely Donna in the chat. We've got Beth.
We've got Laura. We've got Chris and Chris keeps sticking around. I do was abuse him. Maybe he's one of those kinky ditches that is love getting like shit.
More daddy. How to make me feel less of a man. Well, you're the half of human anyway, so it's fine. So yes.
So before we get started, I mean, have you got a few bits you want to do for us tonight? Before I say a certain phrase, let's get into this claim. First, so it's out the way with before Graham starts talking. No, everything discussing today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone.
If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, please come and join us on the Facebook group to Discord page or the comments section where we can have an open discussion. What we want to have though is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinion is wrong. We can all agree to disagree and panda. So let's keep it fun, keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior out of notism.
Very well said. And just for the record tonight, it always I thought I was going to get passed up. Oh, yes. I just for the eagle eyed watching tonight as well.
It's not Sammy who's wearing nor pan side. I am actually wearing pants this because I am too fucking hot to wear any clothes. He's a lot. We have got a foot in top on just saying that out loud.
But what's even funnier is those catches, coz and he's bedroom. So he's going to have to move around. Yes, he's got the new kitten. The kitten seems to think some of our toys are poised.
They're not to be cleared with. Oh, yes. So Sammy, do you want to do what you've been watching? How have you been?
We haven't we haven't had we because the last one we had quite a few people on. So it was a very booby, booby, tastic episode that one. Dude, we didn't get the kids on before that. Yes.
He can't get passed the boob. It's fine. Yes. I'm still there.
That makes it going to be difficult to get passed. Yeah. I was totally helping me fucking element in that episode. Right.
How he is being and what he's been watching? Well, I've been watching something very interesting. So I start the new show yesterday. This is why you wanted us to ask 100% everyone needs to watch this show because honestly, because it's on Apple TV.
So Norfolk is going to watch it. But it just means it won't get canceled because Apple don't cancel shit. Monok, legacy of monsters. I thought it was going to be okay.
But the first episode, it is scripture. It's not a monster TV show. It's all about the characters. And it's all about different times or different different parts in time.
So it goes back and it's got why it's why it's Russell playing a character. And he's showing how he's involved. And it goes to like the modern day and it's got Kurt Russell playing that character in the modern day. And it's just so well done.
And that's not a spoiler tells you in the like intro. So many interviews with the two of them out with the woman talking about what it's like father and son playing the same character. So that's not why they're now. But the first episode got crossed hatched clips and videos from the previous gods of the movies.
So like King of Monsters and like say when God's only destroyed San Francisco. Like all that's like in the mingled into the story. And honestly, it's like people are saying it's boring because it's not much months ago. It is pure character driven.
And I am like me and Nick watched it. Yes, there's two episodes out. Nick actually got physically angry with me because there wasn't more episodes. She was like, why do you let me watch this now?
But there's not more to watch. I was like, hang on. Some more. I'll write about to ask them to release things.
I've tried but they won't give me the screen as yet. But hopefully if they watch this, but yeah, honestly, one of the best things I've watched in a while, like, it's completely driven. Awesome. That's great.
Have you watched anything? I've been watching like loads of Star Trek because obviously we do check it out. I was gonna say the episode of the week and then I just find myself watching all the episodes around it. I think I'm like, I'm watching the episode and I'm like, we'll watch one more and then it's three a.m.
in the morning and I'm like, I should probably go to bed. But I've been watching lately is there loads of stuff on YouTube. I watching loads of sort of playthroughs and analysis videos of like sort of 90s, DOS games and stuff, which is like crazy retro. But like, all you can get how many video games have been released over the years and you just kind of go, whoa, and some of them are these crazy hidden gems and some of them where you're like, this is absolute garbage and it's hilarious.
But yeah, it's like loads of them like these sort of one hour videos talking about these things. There's a great YouTuber called Grimbeard who does who does them, but in the silliest way possible in like, it's him. He is so good. He's like really, I don't know if he's day or not, but it's they are just absolutely really, really, really good grasp of comedy, but then also giving this wonderful overview of all these classic games.
It's good. Yes, and watches him. I'm sure he's put one on first before where I'm literally like, okay, I need to watch more of this guy. He's so funny, but like I'm learning stuff at the same time.
We do. You can do that. It's just really dumb. And now you're seeing loads of channels coming up.
There's another one called Dungeon Chill, where he just outright says, yes, I'm trying to copy Grimbeard because I love his video so much. And it's so weird that it's now spawning other channels and copy of kind of things. He's also got music out of his alley, which is basically on Spotify and stuff which is really good actually. This is crazy.
But anyway, yeah, there we go. I'm quite, I'm quite good. I'm called, sorry, I'm quite, I'm called Paul. That's called Grimbeard.
That's like quite impressive. Real famous if his parents were like, you shall be Grimbeard. Instead, we'll call you Stephen. You know, we will call this one Stephen.
We will call this one Grimbeard. I love this like offering of this child. I don't know why we're doing this. You can tell me not parents.
That's not what you want. Yesterday I went to him. Yeah, I literally just like whatever anyone tries to hand me a baby. I'm just like, I will drop it.
Seventeen what's moving. It was funny. I went to see the Sisters of Mercy playing live in Newcastle yesterday. Yes, you did.
For long, good, gov weekend. And afterwards, we were feeling so sort of, we're feeling so grim and sort of goth that I make take a picture of the outside the big Christmas tree they have at Central Station. And it's literally just me being like, I'm just like, that needs to be my Christmas card. So the year I want one.
But Sarah, like now we talk about beeries. I can see with you having twins. How much do we have to pay you to name one of your child's Grimbeard? How many stickers can we give you to get to the end?
Maybe you can see my height. I mean, considering my height, I think Grimbeard is a good named for dwarf considering my height. It might be an option. Anything interesting, Sarah.
I watched a couple more episodes of enterprise. I'm about to use into the master. Halfway through season two now. Aside from that, I've watched one or two more senior killer documentaries through crime stuff.
I'm going to have a couple of new ones. Yeah, so I kind of watched them. I've lost off of them. I really have.
It's the same format, the same city down interview style. Oh, let's make an old drama. After a point, you just memorize it all. You're just like, yeah, I know everything about Dharma.
Yeah, John Wing, I don't want to. I don't watch the big name ones. The big name ones too much. They're too oversaturated them ones.
It's also the fact that it's also the fact of like, you know, the oversaturated ones. You're just like, they're not actually as bad as some of the lesser-known ones. We had less than open people. They're like, you killed 28 people.
Why do we not know who you are? Well, it's one that you don't know. It's always to be worried about how many people don't actually kill. That's the thing you better think about because she's a fucking murderer.
Can you get your Patrick Swayze? Yeah, I'm Patrick Swayze. That's going to happen. It was Prince Bill of North.
Well, she's particular Charles is going to go in the next year or so. I was like, wow, John, you haven't mind. Do you mean that anyone wants a coronation? I mean, sausage fingers.
I'll do one because I cannot not see that now. Jake is in the chat. Hi, Jake. Hi, Jake.
Yes, today. Yes. Well, speaking of sausage fingers, I've actually been watching the crown. All right.
That was such a good segue. So are they going to put bits into the later season of the crown that make me look at the TV and go and get in the word? Oh, I'm in a certain car in a pizza express. Yeah, that would be interesting.
But what is it? He is on you King, who's also really good friends with. Oh, oh, oh, oh. And leave split the series in the two parts, which is annoying to ship out of us to start with.
But what's annoying to even more is that it's normally a 10 episode series. So you think five and five? No, no, no, they've gone four. So all I got on Saturday when I settle down to watch the crown thing and I'll have been for like good five episodes, four episodes.
Four hours, human, I ran out of work. You know what it is? I think these days, us people, and I'm pretty excited. Exactly.
People don't have patience anymore. Nicole, we're for a short of a week by week now. But yeah, but yes. It's really true though.
Like we had it when me and Goodwill were reviewing Star Trek series three of the card, the staggering of it helped. I think it gave us a week to kind of talk about stuff and like have a week of speculating and doing. Yeah. And I was like, I like this better rather than like when stranger things came out and everyone by like, I didn't get to watch it because it was at work.
But like literally 2pm, everyone's like, I'll just finish it. And I'm like, it just came out. We've done it. We did it on a stranger.
We literally were like three episodes in a more like we'll call it in. And then this happened and happened like, nope, got to keep going. We didn't go on. We didn't go on.
We didn't go on. We didn't go on. We didn't go on. We didn't go on.
We didn't go on. We didn't go on. We fucking did it. But yeah, we are.
We're so greedy right now. I don't know if I'm going to have a brother or cut a me. Yeah. I got to full on round when everyone was kicking off over a game of thrones finale.
And I'm like, well, it's a cliffhanger. Like it's a cliffhanger. And everyone's like, no, no, no, I'm starting to be like, I'm doing that now, especially when we because I finished Gen V, which knows why it looks like I really want people to watch it and leaves you with a bit of a, oh, at the end. But that is like, oh my god, you can have a conversation around it.
But no, I'm being really impatient about what happened there. And what I have also been watching is a lot of critical rule. I am part way through, I am part way through campaign too. And I started, I started the other week, but it is something you've got to really like invest in.
You've got to really pay attention. So when you've got three doggies who are buying for your attention to kind of can't get proper interest, but I am really enjoying it. And Becca, I don't know if you actually listen from the discord. Actually, this is the project.
Thank you so much for all of your help when it comes to D&D. It's been a massive help. That's lovely. She is very, very sweet.
She is absolutely, she is the sweetest. She is the, she's just a big, great mama bear. I love her to pieces. You said, you said mummy.
Hi. Sorry. I'll be there in the enjoying critical role. But that's not what we're here for today.
No, we are talking about, I'll say a difficult one because I still think this is one of the most iconic movies that probably came out in the 90s. But I don't know if that's because of the time I watched it, the time I experienced it because I know people who watch it now and they don't get as much as I know Lee watched it is in the chat. I know when I talk in a bit more detail, but it's just always because the crew to me is a special movie and it always surprises when people don't get how special and like the new ones in this movie. But he didn't say didn't like it, but he kind of just said it's a God's wet dream.
It has massively is. I described it. It's up to do. It is.
But I think it's got so much more to it than just being a God's wet dream. But yeah. There's so many films I did come out of its time like in the 90s, like you talk about Jurassic Park scream, but I think the crew now, I give you watch a back, it stands up as one of the most iconic movies I came out of that time for what I did. And I'll stand by that.
Yeah, 100% agree. This movie is this, the craft. I mean, if you will, this is like when I got my God dream started to come reality because I was seeing visualization of this kind of image I was trying to portray myself and I was like, oh, wake up, it's like right in front of me. The crew has been an absolute specialty special, especially in my heart for a very long time.
I generally can't tell you the first time I watched it, but I can remember the first time I read the book, because I read it in the library. I still watch the crew every double site. Yes, I watched it this year. I did it.
Hey, did you also yell fired up? Yeah. She said that's why porn was on fine. It was me.
That's after the disclaimer. Everything's all good after the statement. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
I've covered it. Yes. I've read the graphic novel after I watched the movie, but I didn't watch it when it first started. I didn't even watch it on the VHS release.
I think I watched it when it was released on Sky movies, but you know when Sky movies used to do the Saturday night premiers and the crew was one of them and my parents were a little bit liberal at the time, so they went very bothered about watching the time. I don't know. Well, we died doesn't like swearing. He doesn't watch the podcast because he thinks I swear too much.
But he would let us watch like any movies. I think I was like, what was it, 1986 or about 16, 17 where it came out. So I've stopped up and watched it on Sky movies. We died after he hit the movie.
Like, couldn't stand the movie. He didn't get the thing. I think the first thing I sent the message in the chat was the soundtrack. There's not one song that stands out.
If you think about Lost Boys, the Lost Boys soundtrack takes you on a journey. But this one fits so much to the heart and the feeling and the pain in this movie as well. It's all about pain. I would quite happily say that this is my favourite movie soundtrack of all time.
Wow. It's kind of incredible this film where it's the fact of how much stuff it has in it. We look back and we're like, that kind of came together really well. I mean, look at the soundtrack.
You have the Cure. You have Nine Inch Nails doing a cover of Joy Division, which is like the most goth thing I've ever heard. Oh, I just say it's Uber Gotham. You're raging against the machine, fucking Pantera.
I think I'll kill him like a drill kill, cult and Jesus. Henry Rollins fans in there. Yeah. And it's not that.
It's used so well. This idea of basically, and it's sort of cementing. And then obviously the cast. Like, just, you know, the fact is when Tony Todd isn't the main hitter in your film.
Exactly. You're like, what is this that just gets Tony Todd and goes, whenever I'm actually going to name your character in the movie. You're just man. What's his name, Michael?
Michael Greencock. He doesn't get named in the film, but he's in the credits. He's just called Top Dollar. I have the cast in front of his.
I'm not getting any fucking name from him. But then obviously, Brandon Lee, obviously was a rising star at the time. It's more famous because of his like, you know, average. But I was going to say Heritage and then I went ancestry and I was just like, I'm I any racist.
No, no, no. Okay. And Ernie Hudson, I actually agree with Lee in the chat. I think Ernie Hudson kind of steals the show.
And I wasn't looking at it. I was a little bit like, oh, Emily, he is so good in this. Like, to the point where I was joking about like, how I would make a video game of this film and how I'd do it. And you would literally give any Hudson's character their whole scenario.
You would literally have them as a playable character because they're so important to the film. Yeah. That's essentially about Brandon Lee's character. And you're like, only someone as good as any Hudson can do that.
Because I don't even think of him as Winston. I'm not looking at it. Like, I'm not only when I look at characters, like people who've played like characters from like something I thoroughly love. I'm thinking if Bill Murray, for example, I'm watching Bill Murray.
Oh my God. Speak back man. I didn't do that. it on Devil's Night and which if you don't know it's the night before Halloween and but yeah I was watching it and I was like shit I totally won for God he was in it and she forgot how fucking good he is he's amazing.
I love the fact that this film manages to balance seriousness with sort of like poser- poser-y but like blended in quite well. Like it literally has a scene where he's playing electric guitar on top of a building being as edgy as well as it works it doesn't feel like a forced thing like you would get a lot of stuff. It just flows with the actual film which is wonderful and then the comedy that you get in it like only literally sorry Dr. Officer Olvek in your character literally just taking the piss out of his superior officer for the whole thing.
Like literally just like oh well I don't know anything maybe you should do some detective work you can't. I just have like this like you know this sort of attitude and it works like we usually get films that are so edgy and so dark that as soon as you put comedy in it shatters the illusion. Yeah this film has brand of the Lee having comedy moments. Yeah and it's wonderful.
No I agree totally and every time I watch the movie as well I kind of get a different insight or different viewpoint and it's strangely interesting because you can watch movies so many times and get dull and boring and oversaturated with this one and I got watched it back yesterday and it could have been a COVID dream. It could have been like maybe just been hyperventilating and so on and so on and a different way. Because it is all about revenge and like what happened to Eric Draven and Shelley but it's almost like early Hudson's character is the witness to the revenge. He's like that's he's rolling that's why Eric keeps on keeping him in there.
So he was there when the tragedy happened. He's there to witness the coming of like say the force that like was Eric or like the spirit of the crew that was and I've never looked at it like that point of view. I just thought it was like oh just there like right there's right time but it was almost like Eric like now he's like prodding like watching the back game when he's going into like he's apartment and you see him when he's after him it's hilarious. Well he's like when like he's investing box shots but he still guys place that one.
Amazing but I think it's also the idea of they are both heroes and they are sort of totally opposite of each other. You've got one where we have we should probably have a run down of what the plot of the film is in case people haven't actually seen it before we get into it. But it's a big fucking for all. It's a big fucking thing.
Hey, baby. A fucking fun boy. See, no. Every fun every scene of one boy on real.
But it's the idea of obviously like Officer Olbrecht where it's the fact that he is someone who has been punished for doing the right thing where he was a detective and he gets knocked down the ranks because he was doing the right thing and because he keeps doing the right thing and him kind of helping save the world and helping save this scenario this whole scenario and his city by keeping doing the right thing even though he's been knocked down to Eric Draven who basically is killed and brought back to life in order for him to do the right thing. And they're both kind of and they're both good guys but they're coming from total different start points. Two different sections. Do you want to know an interesting fact?
I know it's not monsters but I have some facts. I have friends with as well. One fucking crawl was used in this movie. They are all ravens.
Half the raven never moved. Maybe they're all ravens that identify as crow's. Is that not the reference already starts courting their ekron? Again, that's the end because crows just can't be trained or something.
Were they asking too much? I did actually love the... I said that before as well. That's kind of worrying.
I did love the poor reference in this movie as well. Not my complaint but I wouldn't have minded a few more poor references all the way through the film. I thought that would have just been a nice continuation or a touch. But yeah, and just as well as Graham said the plot, Bissy, the star of the idea has been this brutal one of the most traumatic things happened to anyone like the murder and re-ep of like the American Shelley.
Shelley Webster. That just is harrowing. And all this stuff... The film opens up with this couple that are basically going to get married.
They're opened up with a crime scene investigation or basically what happened to them, which is that couple that were going to get married on Halloween. Could they go off as fuck? Do not just a Halloween wedding. It is go off as fuck though.
No, I don't want to get married on Halloween. There isn't a massive girl. That's me. But basically they are...
They're going to get married on Halloween but then what she's done is she's put a petition in. With the landlords to basically go, hey, you're trying to kick us out. We don't want that to happen. We want to stay here.
And all the... Because they were going to demolish the building. So all the tenants signed a petition to basically stay there. And then it turns out that actually the landlord is a massive drug lord who rules the entire city and just does a hit on them.
So basically they break in, they stab Eric and then throw him out a window and they obviously really can kill Shelley. And yeah, that's basically how the movie begins. It's pretty bleaching. I know this is going to sound really strange and weird.
We have seen it as well. It was one of the more tearful, re-reapsing that has been done in movie. Because that could have went so wrong and brutally done. But it was done in a way where you felt the brutality but not overdoing it at the same time.
If you think of the hills of eyes saying where it goes too far and it makes you feel that uncomfortable that you don't want to watch the film anymore. This one just makes you angry and you understand where Eric's coming from. And I can't wait to see how he's going to fuck up these people the way he does. And I think the filmmakers deserve a lot more credit for that as well.
It's because they could have either done too much or not enough. They didn't get the right balance there. They don't shine away from it. They mentioned that it is a rape.
That's what happens. It shows it as much as you need to see. As in going, okay, cool. And I think that's good because I think a lot of the time we get films where they're scared to touch upon it at all.
But you're just getting the gravity of how horrendous what happened was in order to cause the events of the film. The In-It-Thru-Her Eyes. That's the angry part. It's In-It-Thru-Her Eyes because she doesn't move a fucking muscle.
And I know that could just be through choice of the cameraman. Let's just still have the actors face and forward to it. But for me, she is completely ugly, frozen. So to see if I'm looking through her eyes, I am fucking terrified and very angry.
But I've got to say the cast in this movie is like Chef's Kiss. There is not one bum naught. Even Sarah doesn't get on me to end this. She is the one who was a kid mind.
If I had to pick someone, I'd say she's the worst. But she is a child actor and me, I think she's probably the least branded character. But you're just like, people being brought back to life by crows, okay? That is more believable than this kid on a skateboard in the Gotham City.
It is very Gotham, isn't it? I have total Batman vibes from this movie. Or turtles, I had a lot of turtles when I was watching them back. I was like, oh, this is kind of like that gritty, grimy.
Do I want to live here? Maybe I do want to live here? Do I get it? I think the main takeaway of the film, the main plot of the film is that Landlord de Chittes.
Yes. I think it's something we can relate to in Britain at the minute. Oh, absolutely. And he was the worst thought.
He didn't even know what it was. It was sort of blaseaterum. It meant nothing. Yeah.
That death, that death, that building, it meant absolutely nothing. And that we as fuck in relationship he has with his sister. That's the thing. I'll cleve the movie.
I'll cleve the movie once because you don't even realize that top dollar is the being bad guy till half way through. Because I'll get through, you think in Teemo, it's going to be the big bad? Yeah. With the eventually.
I think it's a revenge film because Brandon Lee's character gets brought back to life on the anniversary of his death by the power of a crow in order to exact revenge. But actually, he's basically doing good work because what he's doing is he's saving the city. He's not just about revenge, it's not blind revenge. And it's why he can't go to rest once he completes his mission of killing the people who he thought was responsible.
But he doesn't get his best. He carries on because it basically goes, no, no, there's more to do. You need to actually stop the real evil. It's more about justice than anything else.
Yeah, yeah, justice. It's basically turning someone's, essentially, petty revenge if we look at it that way and making it something which is basically like helping the whole city and freeing old fucking city. Because the police weren't doing it. No, they just want to do it.
And he gets demoted, you know? Who are Ernie Hudson, man? That is such a slap in the face. Another interesting fact, I don't know if Sarah has this one as well, but James Alvar here to the idea of having Brandon Lee as the main star.
Absolutely. The only thing that he's fighting films that he's done, and I think he was doing a cop show at the time, a very low budget cop show. And he hated it. But when he came on set, full make up, he lost weight, he lost nearly 40 pounds to do this movie, and buffed himself up.
And he came on set, he went, shit, that guy's doing his homework. That's my girl, that's my Eric. And instantly he fell in love with him, he just wanted to be around him all the time. So I thought that was really interesting.
And initially, he looked at him and went, no. It's quite a bit, Brandon, as well, because we've had, let's be honest, a few crawl movies are followed. And they've never lived up. Oh, there's never really been the same type of impact of having, like, see another person play the crawl.
Because I think I discussed this question with Lee. It's not the crawl. It's Eric. That's the thing.
Sorry, Eric. Eric, because it's not Eric in the second one. I love City of Angels. I'm not going to lie.
It's I really enjoyed it. I love Vincent Perez. So I'm like, I'm living for him. And his accent just gives us chills.
I'm just fucking love him. But I am more interested in Eric. I think Eric is like the driving force of my love. I've never seen Salvation.
I looked at the front cover of that and went, no. I've seen them all. And as much as I really don't want to, like, shut down the, the, the, the, weren't as good as the first one. I think so, Karen.
No, no, it's, I mean, we'll probably come on to the, like, remake some potential remakes later on. But I think I'd be more interested if they were looking to remake one of the other movies rather than the first one. Yeah, it would be so much better if they're like, we're going to make a new Crow movie. Not a remake because the whole principle of the idea of someone who, like, you know, who has been wronged being brought back to life, because the cool thing about the Crow is it has a set of rules.
It is very much like kind of a superhero film or like, Trek or something, where it literally goes, Hey, here are the conditions that this whole, like, you know, coming back to life thing works. Here's the powers that you can have. Here's a list. It is perfectly set up to be a franchise.
So the idea of remaking the first one, rather than just be like, we're going to make a new one. And we're not going to piss anyone off. And it'll still be brilliant. Yeah.
But that's not what they're going to do. Because I watch the remake of Jacob's Ladder the other day. And I'm going to, I don't know who I write to you to get those out of his back. I think it might be odd.
But I think it might be odd. Right to the universe. Now, right to the universe and put in a complaint, couple of letters. But I love that idea of the whole era.
They not leave, leave Eric alone. He's done. His story's been told. And it's done beautifully.
Move, correct something else. Or do something else. I genuinely think it was a shame that the movies after work is great because you got some pretty high ranking actors in them. I mean, you've got like a person done in one.
You've got David Bariano, Stanley Trejo, Edward Furlong, Tara Reed. You've got all of them in it. Yeah. Um, what was it?
I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, Momor was attached to do one of the things with that, And I think one of the, I've got, you know, Pennywise, what's he called? Sorry about that. Yeah, I think Bill Stars, our. Apparently it's Edgar- It's production.
Yeah. It's moving forward. Is it Bill Stars, or is that the dad? I can't remember now.
Does that mean Charles Gartner? Yeah, that's right. Bill's the Bill's Pennywise, that's right. I've seen concept like people obviously fan out and everything.
And he does have the face to be able to sculpt into something magnificent. So I love the idea of it. But I don't want an Eric driven story. Yeah.
It's just going to be less. I mean, I'm going to be perfectly honest. like, I think this might be a 10 out of 10 film. Like, and I am a person who only ever gives nine out of 10 because I'm like, yeah, yeah, but it wasn't perfect.
Like, when I was, I'd watch this three times and we're like, we, me and I may watch it like just before Halloween and then watch it three times the last week while I've been painting Warhammer. And the only criticism I have of this whole film is that the editing is very sloppy in places and it has a lot of bits where they're a bit too choppy or it doesn't linger on something longer. For instance, when top dollar dies at the end, why is it a second long? That, you know, like, stuff, I mean, like, that's the only criticism I have.
Because like, that's amazing. That's fantastic. Like, everything is telegraph. Like, everything, like, you know, where just goes, everything that happens, there was a scene earlier on that goes, oh, yeah, this thing might happen in over.
And we could go that thing and, oh, look, let's show them. He's fine. Because even though things are going, where did he get shoes from? Why did he get shoes?
And they literally just go to see where the crow points out some shoes that he picks up and puts on it. It's so wonderfully done, all these little things. You know, why, how X as well? Sorry, yeah.
I was going to say, because people said they're casting as well. Like, you will not be able to do this again. Like, even crazy things. Like, I didn't write down her name, but who plays Micah?
The top dollar's sister? Biling or something. Biling. Biling, yeah.
It's the back door. Like, I've got a crazy back door. And by the back door, you couldn't redo her. She's so good.
Like, you've got the pictures. You're so funny. Yeah. But I mean, before I'm going to get here before Sammy.
But did you know that she was going to be in Revenge of the Sith? I did not know that. So I did not know. Yeah, it was really.
This is one of the facts that I had to double check before we went on, because I had it wrong. Because my best mate told me years ago when we watched in the Crow in like the 2000s. And basically, she was meant to be a Sarge Ventress in Star Wars, which was meant to be instead of Maul. But then she did a playboy shoot.
And George Lucas was like, no, she's not allowed to be in the film. That's wrong. That's what I believe. But when I double checked it, she was meant to be playing in a senator in Revenge of the Sith.
And she got filmed. They did all the scenes and stuff. But then they got cut out. And George Luke, and she said, oh, it's because I did a playboy at like a full front door playboy shoot.
And George Lucas didn't like it. But George Lucas is saying, no, it's simply time. Your scenes, we couldn't just have you up here randomly for one bit. So we just got rid of you entirely.
But I was excited to have all the charge I'd rather have dine than charge out to see it when you imagine. But that was the thing that's so exciting. I was just like, oh, we couldn't have had fucking Ventress in like the back room. As you were saying that, I nearly launched all of my table to go and get my Ventress to cuddle her.
And I was like, oh, we've got a Ventress. That's it. That's what I believe. That it was going to be Ventress than Maul.
I wish you still believed it. But that's it. But that's not a fun little fact about here. The other thing, I mean, really weird.
One thing that I researched today is that Micah's tattoo that we see on her back when she has a shower scene, it represents it's a sparrow on a tree branch. And it's the idea of in mythology, the difference between crows and sparrows, where they're both meant to be ferrymen of the dead by taking souls to the afterlife. But her doing it in a very different way. And I think that's a Bible verse about god.
It was like, what is? It's like god seeing through a sparrow's eyes or something. There's some kind of Bible verse about it. And it's just these little nuances about it, where she's obsessed with eyes, she's got a sparrow on her back and she's there.
And she represents this kind of evil kind of collecting souls through like the collection of eyes and stuff. Whereas the crow is like, no, no, I'm the better bird, bitch. Oh, fuck you. The amount of little random subtext in this film is absolutely fascinating.
There was always one bit of thing that went round when this movie came out, and obviously they talk around randomly. It's death and everything like that. And it was like, oh yeah, they had so many actors come in to read, to do parts for him. And they tell you right now, they didn't.
They never had one. It's all digitally done. They had, so what they did was they created a bust of his face when he was obviously alive. And it was for stuntmen.
And the stuntmen were meant to use it. And apparently it was so fucking well done. And that when the incident happened, and they did have stuff to fill in, they had the stuntmen put the mask on, people were sore, everything they would fucking devastated. You know, they had to continue this on with them in starring what happened, and what happened to Massey.
So yeah, they were absolutely gutted by it. That they... It's gotta be a tough soul though. Like the crew...
I don't know if he's sorry that he's dead, but please wear his face for it. Yeah, that was it. So the crew were like this, we need this gone. So the director literally yanked it from the stunt guy and burnt it, instantly just burnt it, because they could not have that.
It looked too realistic. So that's when he decided digital was the only way forward, was to, because the movie was done. It was all finished. It was just finished and touches that needed to go in.
I think one of them is the makeup scene, where he's putting his makeup on. Right, I thought it was the guitar scene as well, when he's playing the guitar, that wasn't... That's, yeah, that might not be... But I'm sure the makeup scene, because of the makeup scene, you know, you're talking about the editing, that is very sketchy put together.
It's weird how it reflects as well off the mirror, his face. It's actually a bit like, it's not... I don't think it's bad in terms of the editing. I think it's bad because the acting was bad.
So knowing that it's not here. Like, you know, like, it's actually... The two scenes where I just think the actor is a bit shit is when he's climbing the ladder at the beginning and he pretends to miss a thing. That's not very well done.
And when he's doing the makeup thing, he not, he pushes all the makeup off the table. I think that's kind of shitly done. So I kind of like the idea that it was a stunt double doing it. He was like, oh, I meant to do other stuff, am I?
Oh, well... They had to become creative in how they build in the gaps, because the people did not want to see his face. No, it's a difficult experience as well. I know I was getting a bit more.
I was going to touch back on something that Graham said earlier as well. Just because he said it would have been like, his perfect movie does nothing. But I think what works so well about this movie as well is how simply it was done. There was no twists, there was no bits of trying to be extra clever.
If you think about the story and the plot, it's very much A, B, C, and it doesn't really divulge or go off track. And you can pretty much see where it's going or anything. And I think a lot of movies now forget that that's a can be a good thing. Just tell a story, do it well.
And it sounds simply dumb, but a lot of movies now. And I think that's what's happened with the crows, sequels that come afterwards. They're trying B too, clever, or they've not had the cast members to be able to do it. Because I know we touched on it before as well.
The cast is brilliant, especially the forming antagonists, like the bad guys, all for them. Sinister and horrible in so many different ways. But when you've gotten them all together, it's all levels of evil in one place and slime, disgusting. And it evokes so many different emotions when you're watching it.
And I think the actors deserve so much credit for unless they all for them and the biggest dirtbags are sold in the world, which I hope they're not. But it's just done perfectly well. Oh, absolutely. Michael Massey is a massive standout.
Obviously, Funboy, he's huge. And unfortunately, it was Michael who had the gun in his hand when it went off. And I did not know this. And I put a post on me on Facebook that I know that I know that I know that I point out quite a lot that people have died.
I had no idea that Michael Massey had passed away. No idea. I saw him in a sort of criminal minds and he was fucking flawless. That man is absolutely sinister.
He is brilliant. And then I was like, I'm only dying 2016. Yeah. I didn't know that.
I had no idea. And he didn't work for a very big part in seven, which I think was in production while he was doing this. And then he quit acting for a very long time. But I mean, do we want to talk about the death?
We might as well, we're in it with the. I mean, it's going to be it's a big part of this movie as much as I think it is. It is. Even if that didn't happen, the movie could stand up to the test of time.
Yeah. It definitely was a big part of what came after. I look. It's one of those movies that you will not really be able to get into any discussion about without talking about.
I think it's not just it's not just like there's so many factors that happened. It was like the facts, the lies, the bullshit, like it was then it was urban myths, then it was busy the history with the Lee family, like the Lee curse and the tragedies. That's always followed them and stuff like that. And I know it sounds like they made the film a little bit more infamous in a bad way, but it doesn't detract from what we got.
It just makes it sad and make it a sad movie anyway. It just brings up like when I first watched and I realized when I heard about it, I cried. I can say it's it's heartbreaking to know. But there's that much shit that came out like on the internet, especially when the internet actually happened was like saying, oh, they said, oh, the kept the scene that he was shot in the movie.
That was bullshit. It was apparently it was I got told very young that the scene in the one he's in the warehouse when he's on the table, got shot. I was told that's the scene he was killed him. It's not.
So there's that many different things that's came out to one with fun boy, isn't it? It's all about it. He puts his hand over the gun at fun boy and it was the next shot after that. It's one of the I love that scene between fun boy Sarah's mum and him.
It's dala. She was dala. She was as grubby and she loved beautiful as well. Vulnerable the vulnerability in that woman, especially when she's standing in the kitchen trying just to cook her jaw to eggs and she conveys it with just her eyes.
That what I've seen her in a fair few things, but she's never been a laden actress. She's always been a support. She is fucking phenomenal. The amount of things that I heard at the back of this, you absolutely write different scenes of where the study was being shot.
Johnny Deff was apparently a standing vermin never fucking was. He never touched this fucking sense. But it's heart breaking that Michael Massey had that put onto him. It's very recently happened on the as Baldwin film.
There are so many people who get their hands on that gun before it is put in that act as hand. And it should never have happened. At least the thing here is that it wasn't alive round. It was a horrendous accident.
It wasn't something to do with one of the bullets jamming and then... It was a blank that had been deformed to the point that it was actually dangerous. I think it was something like that where they're like, oh, it's not meant to actually go out, but because of a random condition. But that's how I understand it.