Nerdy Up North Podcast - The Lord Of The Rings Nerd Talk

Hello! Ready? Hey everyone and welcome to another episode of the Nerdy Up North Podcast, the Nerdy Podcast. What was it by two northern nerds and one of your horse Sam?

And on the other horse Paul. And this week we've got a guest who isn't a northern nerd. We've got a southern nerd today and it's a very lovely lady that helped me get into streaming and podcasting and excited to give me loads of advice at the start which was very welcome because to be honest I didn't have the floggiest one I was doing. It's a lovely Emily.

So hello Emily. Hello. So do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself like what you do? Because I know you are a huge nerd in your own right and you've got a lot of different things in Paris, shall we say?

I guess in Paris. Can you not? Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. Yeah. So I'm a streamer. I stream all sorts of games.

I don't just stick to one game but I like to play stuff like Skyrim mostly. See a thieves, stuff like that. I also have an Etsy shop because I make stuff. I like to make like handmade notebooks and stuff that look like spell books.

Oh, I'll show you some. I'll grab some in a minute. I'll just above my head. Yeah.

I also have been in the game. I love films. I love reading. I try and do everything.

I spread myself far too thin. So, yeah. Make sure on the video you put all the links. I'll do it best.

There's quite a lot. Thank you. Sorry. And I know Emily launched something this dish as well with the lockdown situation which was involved in an online game and magazine which I think has been a few issues out now.

Yeah. The game. We've got three issues out now. It's by month later, every two months.

Oh, right. Yeah. Because we're all like still working full time and everything and we're all streamers as well that do it. So we don't have a whole lot of time.

So we've done it every two months just to like not stress ourselves out. Yeah. It's really good. Yeah.

No. I'm not going to get a lot of stuff. I think I've read the first two issues and it is very professionally done. I know I shouldn't come as a surprise.

I know you are like I said very professional and everything that I've seen you do But that magazine was like say a tip top and I know I've worked in web design and graphic design And it was hard above what I've seen in a long time so well done for us My contribution Pleared I mean husband loves it, but it's quite is it quite fitting for today's topic. It's like Hell yeah So yes today's topic is Paul's worst nightmare. I wouldn't go that far I do enjoy the Lord of Rings saga show we say oh how would you describe the trilogy or now the Hobbit came out is it's Is I know with the Star Wars you would describe as the saga but how would you describe Lord of Rings? Rings is it something and the Hobbits is I think yeah, yeah totally agree totally agree I have the song the one of the main songs stuck in my head and how it's stuck in my head all Because I do listen to the soundtrack me too It's relaxing Especially when you're in Hobbit and you can hear Gandalf just Pomming to Pomming along.

I love it. I love it. I've had the main song stuck in my head all the year And it's taken everything in me not to burst out into song Everything when I get a performance out of your letter So maybe yes today's today's big nerd talk is all about Lord of the Rings The Lord of the Rings now not the books because I'm very I am read them Middle reading so at the moment I have them right up there I'm halfway through one of them and I am terrible when it comes to fiction you give me a biography true crying Into death at the moment. So I will read a straightaway but when it comes to fiction I struggle very hard to like stay in it I didn't like say I didn't hear them like I've read them a few times I think I first read them when I was about 11 or 12 and I picked on Merselius go for reading them, but yeah That's been the closet comic book geek living in riot I had to be so yeah You need that on a t-shirt The only thing that kind of threw me a little bit weird differently the books than other things was there's a lot of songs and a lot of Little ditties that are in the books that again probably for the time was something and it didn't but to me It kind of threw us in I didn't really like them I skipped a few pages whenever there was a little rhyme and little one under little walks I'm the opposite.

See I like little stuff like that because that's attention to detail And that's what talking is amusing that I am The huge talking like I love a lot of the rings, but I love that man's brain more than anything I have my talking jumper on to do my signature. I was gonna wear my arm in necklace with the chain on it broke I was half-explanated where the like Albany is a swing Emily I have a technically a dark crystal one, but like it's a green poncho and I was like I'm gonna look just like the ones I hobbits where I was gonna wear it and I was like noggin over heat So before we get into it as well, I know some and like to do a little disclaimer just so that we don't get much hate Just to say that all of these thoughts are our own and please do not come for us in the comments or on Facebook You do not like what we say and I say that with a lot of love because everyone is entitled to their opinion and That was it. That's it. I normally have it written down what I say.

Basically. Just trying to keep toxicity out of pandem's Let's just be cut. Let's just be what's what I'm about kind In yes, you can tell I have not come prepared to do because I said to myself I am going to just this is a lot of the ring. I can talk a lot of the rings I don't need my Nordbook.

My Nordbook has my disclaimer written down Before we get started as well, can you believe it's been 20 years since fellowship the ring came out? I know 2001 now that's not ever still old I need to ask have you watched the reunion video? Yes. Oh my god.

I literally cried I cried from stonzo Yeah, let's get a larger in that in and I was like, okay cool. Yeah, and then they got they got you in and I was like, okay Yeah, and then they started bringing it all the others and I was like, okay, I can't do this What brought me more was when Liv Tyler still remembered her dialogue and still did it I was sobbing at my heart and she had a she had a sword too and I was like, I'm convinced she's an alien Yeah, because she just doesn't age. No She looks exactly the same Paul Road. That's what the thing before families Her is what road marriage.

So can you remember when fellowship the rings came out? I remember being very excited at college when they announced it because actually I think Empire magazine done a big spread on it And what was gonna do and I think they announced it as the unfil of unfil of unfil of the unfil of the one day The unfil of the film will be filmed and Smile I'm using the Sorry, I'm used to so that's fine, but yes So that was the big spread and so when they announced Peter Jackson as the director as well because that was a complete left field Especially the director of brain dead doing this I think and especially when I split it into three films everyone said I can't be doing in three films. There's no way it'll be made and I think going back at the time Intrigueders because I wanted to say like say what was gonna be like when it came out And He couldn't get a seat in the pictures. It was built out almost impossible.

I say especially for the fellowship of the ring And I remember going to see it with me dad at a golden cinema next to it Next well, you know really but um Me dad being me dad fell asleep halfway through snorily That's my dad all over But Was it 99 it came out? 2001 2001 I know it's like filming. Yeah, was it the same year as Harry Potter? Oh I'm sure it was a same year.

I will I will Was a close one it was a close one because that was when all the fantasy films And well after the Yeah, because then they tried like doing that with a lot of other ones that didn't really make it make the great show We say but Harry Potter was a different Harry Potter could have been a bad film and still would have made the film money Harry Potter came out in 2001 so it was just imagine the earth You've got the loss of the storm and the fellowship the rings coming out the same time Fantasy Kevin two very separate fandoms but very big fandoms as well exactly And very different takes on the fantasy genre as well as more kitty friendly And I'm gonna say as well, a lot of rings done the special effects a lot better I know Harry Potter grew with the special effects but from the get go and I still like I've had to watch Well, I watched the fellowship of the ring this week just to try and recapture like how I felt when I watched it And the special effects will hold up to the only concept for many 20 year old films Like because I think I had to argue on the Facebook group video the special effects are brought to your effects have a better Impact and I think I said as well could do you think you could make well the rings 20 or 30 years ago? Not realizing it was 20 years ago I think it's just the amount of love that went into it really like as Peter Jackson said Yeah, it was a triple-A film with the budget and everything But it was made like an indie film it was made with all the love and care you could possibly give it So it's like I've been asked like that's why it showed that even after 20 years It shows through it's such a beautifully made film or three of them are Can you remember anything when you heard about it coming out? No Yeah, we were 19 and 20 sounds so it's fine Oh my gosh To be fair you could I say that this was a pg it was a pg the first one of first game up so Can you remember what you saw in five years? To be fair I was really late to Lord of Rings I say late Obviously the books have been out for a long time everybody's late but like in terms of films I was really late because I grew up surrounded by people telling me Lord of Rens is boring So I never got the chance to really watch it at home or anything So I was always told it was boring and I was like oh but have you seen it and they're like no It's crap and I was like all right and I just sort of accepted it and then when I was I think I was like I was really late.

I think I was like 14 maybe Yeah, um it was just on I think we turned the King was on TV And there's nothing else on so I was like oh I'll give it a go So I clicked on it and I was hooked the moment it came on I was just glued to the screen and I was like this is amazing and I ran upstairs to my sister and I was like You're a liar She was like why? No, it's not so good and I watched all three after that back to back That sounds like my sister my sister here it is I can say the killing not like this No, my sister really does not like it. We got into a massive fight Like me and my sister were best friends and we got really well obviously as best friends and as sisters But we had a massive fight like huge I heard it still makes my it still breaks my heart in the state that I attacked her over this Wow But she pushed it and she pushed it and she pushed it and I just snapped and I physically hurt my younger sister And it was awful That's what brothers and sisters do though That's it though we didn't we and mikel have a very good technique of arguing we see what we have to see And then that's it. It's out in the off that's it's done.

It's just it was this was this was too. I went too far over a movie I was an idiot. That's what I was Sorry Emily's here about people saying it's one because it is quite a diverse film when it comes to fandoms as well Because I does have a huge following but even on the facebook group and early on facebook When you post the topic where what you don't like and what fandom is you're not into a lot of the rings does come up quite often I think because as I said, it's the three I'm not slater too much. I know you're the ex-in it is three very long films and I'm not like see I would say a comfortable watch because it is like see as I said hard work to watch them You feel physically drained after you watch them I don't want to like because it's not like to insult people who don't like like it, but it's like it's high fantasy So like with harry potter, I would say it's not high fantasy because it's a little bit easier You know, it's more for kids.

You can understand it a little bit better. It's not too complicated Whereas lola rings there's a lot to it And even with the films like yeah, there's a lot to the films alone But then you read the books and then when you read to that all the tokens like excerpts afterwards and all of that and all the university established There's so much to it. So it's like yeah people from the outside looking in a probably looking at like yeah It's a bit too. It would work.

Yeah Yeah It's a commitment. Yeah, that's how I always sorry. It's a full commitment to you go in the way with the you have to you not just Follow in one story. You are following multiple stories that are that are in the world in nature But in some ways quite separate and but I always thought it is a commitment And I think I told this story before on the podcast about me finding it It was a poster it was a promotional poster before I'd even seen anything about it It was a promotional post to go to be used in the cinema that you saw it at all And I had no idea what it was and It was my ex who said because he worked at that cinema and he got us tickets and I saw that I saw the fellowship probably more times than when I showed up But I was absolutely hooked like I have never shown a motion in the cinema before up until that point And when the scene was gammed off that was it I was gone but because when it comes to something when I fall in love with something I don't just fall in love with it I fall hard and I have to know everything and that just started my little passion But it was admit it did it did it did is allow for a bit I did like leave the rings for a long time And it's only been like the last couple years like I've gone back and just thought it was still whole talk Too it probably is my younger than I was this Or seven but it is my favourite trilogy Because it is that in depth and it is it's layered and it's yeah Right, it's high fantasy like at its finest I'm gonna be controversial is it which is your favourite film over the three I've got a single turn again though So I've got to be different here because I love all three equally to be honest But we turned the king which is because it was the first like and it's so back back to front I know it's the first one I saw so it's the one that like holds the most like Yeah, I know I know I know Was that a gateway into it?

Yeah, mine are two towers So yeah, so Seeing how you understand that as well because Battle of Helms Deep is one of the most Cinematicle A me as in pieces of work ever done. Yeah, the fact that they use CGI real life practical It was all it's all in there and you can't tell the difference between any of it It's just it's one of that. Yeah, I do love the second But it's just the fellowship that when they're gonna create the fellowship that that scene alone is just such an emotional But I love it like the scene in return of the king is when Pippin is singing And it shows like the montage like them getting ready to fight and stuff And even then like when I first seen it and I didn't really have much an attachment to the characters yet and stuff like that I still felt really emotional in that moment And you see all of them like getting ready to fight and them knowing that it's not gonna go well and stuff like it's just like So good I completely Exhated that again, that scene is haunted. That's probably the best way I would describe because you can see the people And not expecting to make it through like they walk what's going ahead and with the mob king going on nuts as well And it's just like sitting here Um, but I think with my like they've had the back I said the battle of helms deep with the two two towers It had the interesting aspects as well It was the time when like say all the different things got split open to start moving the pieces around the board a lot more It started becoming a bit more interesting.

Yeah, because I see there was elements of the fellowship where I got a little bit bored Not saying it's a boring film But there's aspects where it kind of just goes on a little bit more especially for film books fine Because you got that little textures and you can't be pretty but sometimes when the film you wanted to move in a little bit faster Piss but then when the broad extended versions out that killed it for me Um, it's like it was one of them films where I didn't want more and I know the key to open about Like say there's even other versions where there's going to be like five or six hours per film but Um, that's me tapping out for that one I think for the time though as well this film these films are ultimately ground-breaking and there's nothing being filmed I know the brought the pobid out which again had its own issues But um the three films has never been talked I think with the spectacle and the things that I've brought up and all They're trying to do similar with uh game of thrones I said But not that not the film wise but the fantasy that to bring the element of the law of the rings over three films I do over seven seasons of research so it just shows a hard work that had a Still didn't do it properly. No They don't until this makes it a popcorn rush it Well, that's another one Already lost my temper with this with this series before I am not doing anything I need to remain calm because I'm talking about something I live and Was I'm gonna say Yeah, if you want to have if you want to listen to me have a massive rant about Game of Thrones go back and listen to our favorite tv I would top five um tv shows because that for all it was one of my top five I still went off on one Was it interesting? of like the um extended cuts and stuff Put it in reverse about the stuff they cut out like the I feel like they shouldn't have cut out tom bombadill A lot of people say this or that they should have done that. I'm now that i'm reading them and i'm actually past the first instance that they've met him I'm like, oh, yeah, he's quite significant.

Why did they like why did they cut him out? Yeah, I was watching it a few weeks Jackson over that because a lot of people say that and he says what significance does he bring To the actual story and i'm like i've not read the book so i can't answer that But it has to mean something if a lot of people in the in the fandom think the same thing it's From what I understand it's it's the whole mystery behind tom bombadill that people love because he Nobody knows what he is. He's not human. He's not a hobbit.

He's he's not they don't know what he is Like they literally ask him bro. Don't ask him. What are you and he's like, I am And it's like okay cool. Um and he's married to goldberry who is the river door and that's never explained what that means either But basically he's so old that he said that he was around before the elves even arrived He was around before any of the the the stuff with um Oh, not sorry on the number for him.

Oh, I can't think mark off for something else. I can't resign the big bad I was calling the big bad before he arrived. He was there before then and like everyone's like, so what is he? Who is he?

It was Tom Bombadill That's why people wanted him to film because he's so mysterious it would probably would have provided that Extra question to like real people in you know I think a lot of the as you said with the extended stuff that they cut out it was more like say a little things that was extended I think the one that stands out to me is Nearly end of the return of the king when they're going to go over to the fight with the black eights and mortar And then oh the mouth of sarah mouth of sarah rom comes out that that was I think an element that I thought the film did miss originally But um it's getting going back to the best uh trilogy star was Um, like I said when george lucas kept on tinkering and adding stuff and i'm stuff that lost its kind of magic russets for that to me I'm always a purist and Enjoy that aspect as well Yes Always open it so can I ask a serious question because i know my answer obviously i know my answer But who do you think is the real hero in the story? Oh It's got to be some or if some or even in aspects column. No it's some right okay I mean that's the trueest answer is some he's the most innocent intro spirit in without him. He does not get to the top Without he does not get to the top he does not he does not chuk the ring in He doesn't get there in the first place without some he fraud or is absolutely nothing fraud or is the The carrier because he is a little brave little hobbitt when some is the he is the truest hero of that story Right i would never have gotten there because he would have been eaten by um what a face to spider She's not sure I'm not scared of spiders but that one did for it because i would be honest that was well done But um Alfredo would have died to her so you would have died to her he would have it would have caved Because he had nobody there he had nobody who loved him enough to stop him from doing it because goleh Would have quite happily let him let the ring taken because then he would have had a chance to get it for himself Yeah, it is the truest and purest hero of that story and I love him so much I'm so glad we share any of them But that I think uh for a dude caving at the end though because he wasn't actually going to throw the ring in because it was Gollum bitey's finger off in the end in the most front highway but yes, um that's one thing I did want to touch on as well As a cast I don't think the film has been better cast Since or before and one change a thing.

I would not change it there. Oh, sorry Because normally you could go through a cast and say I'd rather have this person in that role or maybe change it from But yeah, that's one thing I will always give for other rings everything to the person was done perfectly And as I said with some being a true hero here. I've got to say he's never seen a die Yeah, sure. That's for the win.

He really did that. I think all of them did did the part Amazingly, um, I love the fact that we've got a very young car urban in there Um, Miranda with sassernium around uh Did it's a bringer? Yes, yeah Yes, it is she has one of the most badass is like but she she has one of the most badass lines in that city in that whole film Um, but at the time it used to make me cringe like when I first watched it used I used a cringe when she returned See, but I am not a woman and I know you know, oh, and now I'm like, yeah, bitch get him. Absolutely.

I loved it And that's all you're gonna get out of me loved it That did not put us off but um First of the ring at the end when the goblins and the you You okay, okay, you're kind words attacking like the fellowship looking for the small ones And when they've done the overhead shot over the trees and it kind of like floored I even in the cinema and watching the big tally. I got seasick doing that scene because it's like kind of like a floating it It's a queasy feeling which um, I don't know is this a strange aspect again. I'm not trying to be the dick and say oh I hear this one because you are being very mysterious There is there is I mean, I have one one little nitpick that I don't particularly I think actually I don't know if it's the same in the books because I've the I can't compare but it does it shortens the story Unnecessarily um is the army of the dead Aspect because if that was the kid and all There's a lot of things that you could view pointed this out last week already It says well, if I'm not that sent the eagles in the first place And it's the same if the and if the army of the dead was called up in the first place That fella helenstig would have been one quite easy actually it would have just if that was if it was as easy as that It could have done that in the first place and I hated that they used it at the end I just don't I just didn't do something if you're out in that one. I didn't like that My husband's drilled it in my head that that I actually um watched a video of This guy who's like an expert in all things talking and somebody asked the question now So why don't they just use the eagles?

Women easier and he was like well, he's like a couple of answers for that. He was like firstly it would have been a really boring story. Yeah Is that second of all? Saran also has air infantry so they would see like he would see them coming like from miles away and he'd be able to take them down Um thirdly the eagles only turn up when they really really have to because they're like they're not They're not like regular eagles.

They're like they're kind of like the way Tolkien describes them was like kind of they're kind of like angel figures in a way they turn up when the dire dire need is like that Basically, that's why they only turn up to rescue for a time at the end because like that. There's no way else in them there I can't use that argument anymore then I always I always use the eye if someone came to me with that argument I'm like well, there would have been a really shit story if that was the key You know them came in to the way they just take you They're gonna go to shoot them on in it would have been an absolutely shit story would not I really thought that answer I've not heard that one before. I think it's in the in the Hobbit in the book. Sorry the the Hobbit book the eagles are slightly different So where were we?

So yeah, the eagles in the Hobbit are actually described differently In the books the eagles actually belong to The eagle master, I believe like he's actually like this Well the way he's described I think he's just a dude I don't know if he's an eagle himself But he lives like up in like a really high perch on the side of the mountain and he rescued well Yeah, he rescues them when um, they're up at all the doors up in the tree and the trees on file That's when they turn up um, but yeah in the in the Hobbit. They were just actual eagles It just listened to the eagle master But then I think told can change his mind to the other rings and made them like this more like ethereal kind of Possy that just appear at the best of times Um, I don't know why that's well. I said I don't know why he changed that He did change a lot of things from the Hobbit to the other rings because he just decided to expand on things But yeah because in the in the Hobbit the ring was not actually the one ring at that point He wrote the ring is just a magic ring that made him disappear and it made him invisible Um, in fact, he described it like it would make him invisible But if he stood in like light you could just about see his shadow He wasn't completely invisible, but then in all the rings he was like, oh, um, no, it's actually a it's actually a power ring He knows going to the ball, but he kind of goes into the race world. It's like, okay.

Yeah, well, yeah, that's that now Yeah, they don't like to say that's one of the things that I don't I doesn't get explained I'm really trying to best not slide off the films. I really am in in the three funds Excessed the one ring to rule them all but they don't actually see a how or what powers it has to rule them all Because I know like they went fraud or anyone puts them on goes invisible and the sea I look at them or they don't really expand on what would happen if Saruman got the ring or what powers he would possess or From what I understand it's So they met okay, let me use it help me my memory It was nine rings for humans seven rings for the dwarves and three rings for the elves, wasn't it? And then Saruman made the one ring to rule over all of them So I think the point was to that ring what is my labor doing? I'm sorry.

I'm actually gonna hear that Um, I'm so much doing The one that's the one that both obviously control them all But I think it's the only one that's capable of going between two planes of existence It kind of explains itself in its one ring to one ring to control the one ring to bind them and one ring to um What's in the in the darkness find them? Yeah, it kind of does explain it within the the that little speech there is to what the one one ring does If you if I get this so that you might it would have been nice Do you know what it just would have been nice to see Saruman in his action? Like to actually see him at his full capacity like his full power. I would have loved to Know I know I know I know I know at the start when you see the battle Saruman's got the ring on and he's not invisible there So is it a choice?

Does he can he control it to choose? That's that's another thing though. Sorry going back to Tom Bumbodil because In when they first meet Tom Bumbodil um he asked Frodo because he's like Frodo is like telling him all about what they're doing And he's like oh, let me see the ring and Frodo just gives it to him And he was like he was shocked at that because usually Frodo would be like oh no because of the way the power of the ring is He just gives it to him without thinking about it and he's like oh don't know I did that and then Tom puts it on his finger and nothing happens Right and he's sitting there and he's like oh buddy Frodo's really confused because he's like why does this have no effect on him like nothing is happening to him He's not like getting possessive. It's not making him invisible Why and then like Tom gives it back to him and Frodo thinks that he gives him a fake ring So he tests it and puts it on himself and he goes invisible and he's like oh he's visible So he tries to get up and like sneak away and Tom goes where you going?

He's like oh my god. You can see me Tom can see as well. It's like I understand I'm starting to understand why a lot of fans are a myth that he's not in it I'm starting to get it because the way that you describe it makes me want to go and pick the google To know about this person so I just remember this interview was It was like on the make and off you remember the extended editions and I have like the The making of them and I was watching the fellowship one and that's probably as long as the movie itself And he just said he says there was no point in bringing this character in there because he has no relevance to the story But that is relevant that explains the ring much better like in a better way than just it's an all powerful ring that controls everybody He does it because it doesn't control everybody because it didn't control exactly But even though it's a minor role, you know, he appears he does all this stuff with the ring and then later on I think somebody literally asked Gandalf. Why didn't you just give it to Tom Bambadil?

Because he like nothing affects him like because apparently they know what he is But I'm just giving it to him and Gandalf is like because he has my interest in it. He doesn't care Like literally Tom Bambadil is like he's skipping around singing all the time like he literally doesn't care So he's like if we gave it to him, he probably would have put it on and forgot about it I'm totally getting it like the more you're talking about it the more I'm like I get this and I really want to see this is what I need sometimes I need someone to get me excited about reading fiction and then I will because now I want to normal I'm gonna have to read to find out more. I will probably end up reading the loops after I finish my one on forensics psychology See jobs done I really recommend but like I've watched like a Couple of videos of people making theories on what would happen if Gandalf took the ring Yeah, like if he decided to take it instead of Frodo like what would happen to him Like it was like someone literally giving a play-by-play theory of what they think would happen So it's like oh instead of like Oh Instead of like you know, I was said of when Frodo goes to Riverdale in this moment This is what would happen if Gandalf had the ring like it would be a completely different like time zone or whatever And then they did it with the lab reel as well. So if I'll have your cave and didn't pass the test and took the ring what would have happened Her one is the most interesting one to me because I love the library.

She's one of my favorites Yeah, I was gonna bring up because Kate is absolutely So like she is the most beautiful creature out of the world and she like said when you come to the nerd culture as well She's been in you name it every aspect is just been a part of like and was absolutely wonderful in them So you was as Lady Death but yes, but that part where she played when when she was offered a ring That was totally terrifying when you see it's terrifying When she does the whole duck you would have a dark you would have a dark queen and I'm like oh literal Yes, she is absolutely unreal. You are right that she is a live she's like no Tyler That woman does not age She's very feline loving as well. She looks like a cat lady. I think she would look love cats as well How I think she's literally how I was looking at this exactly her face She wasn't in the room.

She wasn't in the room. She no, I think she was filming at the time when they did it Even her Sean Bean They had seen mean that there's something about Sean Bean though when he smiles I feel a bit uncomfortable Actually, I think I asked Amy. I was like, um, is he a villain in anything because I feel like he made a really good villain Everything if only been recent years that he's not I just can't like I can't off the top of my head think of a film where he's a villain I know he dies everything There's quite a few he was known as quite a villain is because he died in everything. Oh, there's a TV show we did um couple of year ago Um, oh, that's gonna book me, but he was a dick in that too when he died in that as well.

Um, I remember he like sees most famous role was sharp way to set bastard As well He's good at night, I don't know He doesn't see the problem in it though. He just sees like a total teddy bear like in a reunion He was like one of those confused dads on yes But like every time he did like regular tingly smiles a bit like I tell you what it's not a TV show. He's done a recent bbc dramasization. It was like a three partner It's with him from Pemberton pembert then I think Yeah, he's been a little British films but he was in Next if I But He's a teacher who's an alcoholic who drives and kills someone but he goes through them like the period and Hands themselves in goes to jail and you see his journey and it's it's hard to watch But it's absolutely brilliant.

It's one of the best things I've seen Sean being doing a long time So just saw some people don't come far as it's Steven Graham Is it time time? That's the one yeah, it was called time He's in snorpey so as well. I didn't know that's the new there's TV series with them W Diggs He's a natural he's a dick in that know the only seen him in as the york chat ad but Oh Recently I described it when people ask where I'm from. I'm like just think next up Accent and just bring it up a little bit Right there.

So the um cot the toner Sean being in the amazing for me. How awesome is the cast into for me or in for me at all? They are good What's his name call um Well really should have come prepared with me at least names. I'm really bad at names.

So He's not even called call. He's called David David when it's firing me and the Oh that little them too. They just I love the scenes when you see them as brothers and how much for me Generally like loves these brother and protects you for the conspiracy is like, you know, he's actually but he's dead He gets up. That's awful how he gets trashed a little step brother like younger brother type of syndrome books Okay, I can't believe what I would like to say what I haven't mentioned him yet But the wonderful crystal Lee in the film as well absolutely breath him Everything he does in the film is medicine is scary even from the old man when you say him with Gandalf He got the me only man the only man out all of them who actually knew talking Yes, he did he did and he if you watch the um if you watch the making of them He corrects everyone's pronunciations of everything you had to see it the way Tolkien wrote it And he was so precise on it.

He said it was almost to the point of annoyance that he used to do it But he he knew what he was making this wasn't you know and he knew who it was going to this wasn't you know This wasn't something that it's it's not like comic books my comic books are around this such a period of time And there's so many incarnations of it and people have grabbed on to which and then you've got your film come out This is literally a poop that was brought out in the 50s that is now getting made into a cinematic release So he knew what our audience it was targeting and he wanted an absolute perfection and first person to say I just thought of another one as well, which is really sad is Ian home. Yeah But I think it was I think it was really good that actually they had Christopher Lee there because Having known Tolkien like means that he Definitely like you said had an opinion on things. I think it would have been really helpful to have him there I'd be like do you think Tolkien would have liked that because he would have been like that? It was not written violent as well.

So he would have definitely given his opinion on oh, yeah You can add the part of it on the making of the human hero snapping to people In the nice in Christopher Lee's nice as polite weird but snapping people because this was it was important to him because he did not Tolkien and it's special. Um, I actually have him sitting in my living room What's the actual first of all your yeah, I hope not the actual history I'll be a bit old quote about what about code I collected I started collecting before the prices went up on them because wow with the new series coming out Um the the collection of the figures from the time of movie You notice how I keep saying movie. I'm not gonna see it Hear it all the way through the last episode and I kept correcting myself. The only person who's actually said the word correctly is Emily Yeah Pretty much so Emily is Emily's I can hear her saying it properly when we see it Don't be ashamed of where you're from Doesn't sound right as being pointed out to us And but yes, the biggest toy figures that came out at the time of the film's movies release It's they've gone up massively in price and I managed to get a few people that are getting aragon in um, I think they're all um the two towers Um aragon and one of the ring rates Detail of the mermaids and I've gotten Chris to believe as well and he's got the what's the ball called the IO Is it the eye or is it just a ball?

It's one of the eyes because I remember him saying there was five of them and I've not been accounted for I believe yes He's got these hard ways towards It's an idea but he has that and he's handing the detail of them are unreal Um, we've also forgot to mention another amazing character actor who is in this red door. Yep Even there um, he is he has one of my favorite things I love the fellowship scene where they all where they the fellowships created and I cry like I really do cry my eyes out of that scene It doesn't matter how many times I've seen it But my most favorite This and the one that I like proper high-five and punch the air out is when the hidden comes back When Gandalf wins them back and you see and you seem like changing and kicks in wormtail out and it just For Robert gets gets me right in the that scene is on a reel. Mm-hmm. All real So good Before the custom like say was second to none like say the emokal and his Gandalf I can't see anyone topping that and as anything He said and I'm sorry Sam said before um with the new series series that's coming Amazon That's gonna be an interesting take because I know that I filmed in New Zealand True The first season is in New Zealand the second season is gonna be here It's gonna be taking some then some places a lot of that Let's give a bronze film in the island.

Yeah, because Amazon are throwing some big shit and money at that You can't do you can't half-ass it. This is talking. This is you know, there is a reason it took 12 years That is to become what it is right now and that you can't half-ass stuff like this I can't be as far as I'm like seriously getting so excited I am tempted to throw a game. I am I don't keep on seeing him as always I am tempted to throw a lot of the ring was themed party for the best Then episode I did it on the last series of game of thrones had a full-on game of thrones party like I'll have to find the pictures and put them on the base group, but they've but yeah had like themed food and everything Good.

What was it? Um, hodra each of us. That was me most favorite one and The rest of the on it was sausage rolls. Oh, yeah, um, oh, yeah, I really went oh, and what was it?

You know muffin john snore Oh, I love it. Yeah, I'm really tempted to do the same The lord of the rings and because I'm looking I want to make the aim the bread What's bread? But that's the thing because I know as you said it's exciting. This is normal getting more lord of the rings content But if you watch the Lord of the rings back, does it need to be retooled at the moment because it's not there's not a lot of rings It's before right all right.

So lord of rings takes place in the third age The the series is taking place in the second age. Yeah, that's that yeah That's the age that um the original battle with Sauram took place Right. So we could see and is it a sealed off? We could that could be at is it Is that coming up?

Is it sealed? Is it sealed off before or? I can't remember you know this is shopping names. I am shopping myself that I even remember these names Because honestly I can't pronounce the basic I want to know is if they're going to go as far back as the beginning of the second age or the battle of noumenor Where the god the god the god of the the world elder I think it is is the name of the world, isn't it?

I think so apparently bitch that's an even all so hard that it went from a flat earth to round so All right, I'd like to see how they do that What are we to and get around the flat earth? It's just that round Usually the whole time like I think in the first age it's like yes flat earth and everything else and in a yeah Apparently it was such a cataclysmic event Mm-hmm. That's an alternative round. And that's why there's only one way to get to the undying lands now Because it used to be accessible very easily because it was that Landse used to confuse the life out of his it's I didn't get what was happening at the end That's and yeah, I don't feel like I had it I had it explained to is where I would understand why fraud or was going with the else But where was it going and what happens after he goes there?

And so I hope whenever he the books that I might get a better answer because I generally still I'm confused like I don't know where he went Well, when I first watched it obviously because I've watched returning to king birth So I saw that in bit and I was like so they're going to like heaven and they dying like what I don't understand But from what I understand the undying lands are just essentially a land of immortality The elves the elves are allowed to go because they've been given permission to do so Where they can just go and live I think free. I don't know say I don't know if their bodies die, but for how it's described I think their bodies do die and they just live as free spirits So essentially it is kind of heaven, but not like a physical plane that then turns into a spiritual Yeah, I guess I don't know. It's not I don't know It's not and it's not it's a beautiful ending and you know, no way no way It's just breaks my heart in that in that scene where you realize these friends he does go there in the end though. Don't worry about it Oh my god.

Yeah, don't worry. Yeah, literally I think the mention was the last thought that went summer Yeah, tell him that talk if you're like a thing a little short thing. It's in one of his other books It is some published Sam has lived his life I think he had 13 children And then when he got old he went over and met Frodo again I'm so happy I'm just glad they didn't film it because like see that's my biggest issue with returning the 15 endings that we didn't need Because it ended then kept on going then ended kept on going Oh, yes, I guess what you mean. I was like, what you're not about?

I get what you mean the one of endings But like the Undying Lands are so important Like really important because the hobbits have no idea what what even it is For a long time and then like well, they're important anyway, but especially in the series that's coming up They're gonna be more important because if they do do the battle of an immunore The Undying Lands is a whole reason why it's happening Because I think they called the new Minorians The new Minorians were the first humans and they were like super humans. It's a really strong They could live for like 500 years. They were really like tall and big And they were giving all these gifts by the valor I believe which are like the angels of that of this universe But the big bad I forget his name again But corrupted them and made them want to have immortality Like, you know, it wasn't enough that we've given everything else They were like, oh, we want immortality as well. Why'd we always get it?

Like can't we have it sort of things then the big bad was like, all right Well, let's go and fight them and take the Undying Lands away from them And that's that's about all of them even all So you don't have to tell me that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why the big God he has got a name. I keep forgetting a saying Of the world is like what are you doing? Like I've given you all this stuff and now you want to tell it as well. No, yeah That's them done And yeah, like and then a couple of new Minorians survived and those that survived were still loyal to like their allies So they didn't want him or tell it they weren't interested They were still loyal to their to their allies and everything and they grouped together to fight the big bad and get rid of them Can't know his name.

I feel so bad But they like aragon is descended from the new Minorians Which is why aragon can survive until he's like 250 That makes a lot of sense because that again is not really explained as to how he has he has Because they do see his age at some point. Let's let's talk about something. Is it like anything? Yeah, he's all when this starts, but let's talk about aragon for a second.

I know beautiful man that plays I say I do find him hot in this I could do my master and he did do me three years of beautiful first I watched the green boog on Sunday night and I could see him but I could not hear him I am waiting for that finish at the center corner and I'm like Where are and then he's got this like mappy also italian comment like oh and I was that was like wow It you've gotten range because that was very good, but I love him And I remember that you know when you see a promotional stuff in cereal Yeah And they had promotional stuff a lot of the rings and it was a hologram image and this hologram image I had was Aragon walking through the doors Um, where was he at? It's when he comes back after he's little John dinner with the where he gets in the water I can't think of where he's at Rohan Yeah, I think he's dead type things Yeah, he's dead and he walks through the doors and that's the hologram image of him just constantly walking through the doors And then just standing there like what up and I literally just With this image just I think he's on stuff because he's been in like a few films He was in young guns too as well Going back he was one of the kind of boys that just have to believe it What's um, isn't that the case though with a lot of them Danish and Scandinavian actors They do a lot of work in there like a lot of work If you look at him still in style scars He his Filmography is massive anywhere, but then you look at this to be some of these horns out and it's just huge It's like just it's like he had a man who's working at that thinking is the same To say with like Matt's Matt's micles and micles from here One of the best kind of old portrayals ever that he's a fantastic actor Um, just put him in anything to be honest just him vigor mortison And I was about because I don't mind him. I'm just thinking of The engines kind of moving in the act just just have them all together Anyone else as well like this is just me exhibiting or nerdy and gingey when and the two towers when he kicks the the goblins Helmet and It's the fellowship it's the end of the fellowship nor I thought was a two towers when he got to the when the pile of Yeah, mary and pippin have gone and all this see is because they bumped into the raw heat And yes, it is and he points out that that's very broad. He's tall I think it's funny I love about vigo though is that he was the last one to turn up Yes, he was he was not originally last No, he wasn't they were going to completely different route with aragon Um, and then they decided last minute that it wasn't it didn't work So the studio were like, right?

Hey, uh, he's a hire someone else and he had to literally on the day he arrived convinced the studio That he was the right choice and luckily the first thing he did wasn't a talking role. It was the battle of The ring race in the ship of the ring Well, reunion really did bring a lot of them It's so helpful So the michael jf fox and doing back to the future I don't think the film anything with the original after they just they know they they just I think they because there was obviously a lot of rehearsals A lot and I think he was part of the rehearsals, but I don't think he was actually part of the film another Um, but the other reunion with vigo waterson does not know how to use the camera Because it's all over the place It was all over the place And what about the um the other hobbits, you know, the other two who don't get a big mention perry mary and mary and kibbin They're so lovely. Oh, don't they? Do you think they're podcasts they do?

No, I have I have got it. Um, I listened to so many but I do have it It is a lot of the rings be it's doesn't it? Yeah, it's called the friendship onion if nobody knows Um, they did they did a one recently but they had a larger on with them and it was it was literally it was like watching just old friends Talking to each other. They just rambled on about anything and everything Sounds like a sense.

That's fine Absolutely love them. Um, and the the characters themselves. I wasn't really interested like I didn't really care And it wasn't until I think I think when m mary wants to very wants to prove his worth And I'm kind of that's when I meet me opinion starting to change because the new come across is very selfish little hobbits Like you know, they saw a wrapped up in hobbits and it's hard for them to breathe that but when they start like we're especially with them tributos You see the change starting to Yeah, that's what I was gonna say as well like with the hobbits as well All the hobbits go through the journeys on the and the film like obviously with salmon frodo Like if some is unwavering throughout and you see using the strength But the two that goes through the biggest journey because at the start the arts who little kids annoying being fun And at the end the grown up the like the men in a way that the people of the world and the went to that journey and that I clear what I got from them characters and told that story the way that you weren't quite expecting Yeah, when I first watched it, I thought they were brothers Yeah, that's a relationship they give across they show on screen. I was like, oh, they're brothers and then actually read the book and I was like, oh It's mary brandy buck and peregrine took so they're not They are they are No, peregrine took is related to brodo very distantly or as a cousin way around is it cousins?

Because when I does come from the tux from the both sides, so They'll build my dad was a tux, right? I always just mama took I can't remember It was a sort of a tux that was came without Yeah, it would have been his mom because then it wouldn't have made sense that Bill ball with his bag and if he's dad yeah Okay, so throughout throughout the hobbit literally like talking literally constantly mentions like oh, that's his tux side coming Oh, that's a bag in his eye coming out because every time he's like, oh, wish I was at home with my eyes That's a bag inside nobody's brave. It's just excited No, it's a little details there with just enhance and bring the story together But I know we haven't even mentioned the name of the person I want to talk about next because he was absolutely A museum that you don't actually well, you see him very like early well Is Andy circus as gone because after that after that performance in golem he was he is the go-to guy for any type of creature And like say he developed the technology the technology that used for golem He developed that so it made sense to use him in other Carne agent of that for that technology to Yeah, golem is just a little I just want to give him a big cuddle other than like I said Before and then scratch me eyes out true before before the rings There wasn't many CGI characters that you care for probably the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park Potentially but um active as golem cg either all real that's real All real I watched the movies at me I think pia jackson said like when they were talking about the animation for golem He was like I want it to be bless you. I want it to be jar jar binks, but bigger That's literally what he said because that's at time jar binks was kind of the best animation they had And that's in fact that is seeing something because if you go back and look at this terrible He stands out of that screen so noticeably that you can tell he is not there But with golem it's sort real because they are using the actual person that the features are real and that technology is cannot be touched Because andy did such an amazing job because obviously then like you said he developed the technology further Um when they did the hobbit he was a second director for the hobbit Like he was off shooting scenes with like the others and then andy circus was off shooting another scene in another location with the Motion capture and everything else Yeah, so that's how they got the hobbit the hobbit done faster because they had two directors doing scenes at once But the golem that you use the golem that you see in fellowship is not andy service Nor nor was it he was not cast until later, but that is a com that because they did generally did not know what was happening with golem Now he originally was just going to be a voice wasn't he and then they decided last minute.

Oh, let's try this motion capture stuff So we're talking about anti-service is golem But something has literally just caught my eye on my phone. Did you know who's directing venom? Andy circus I didn't know that we'll get him to lift the college weekend again So be interested in his take on like say if he's going to be using his Uh like body or a technology towards that so it makes kind of sense It's not the first one You don't like Tom Hardy That's why I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't I don't I'm starting to change me mind on him because venom was really good But I'm sorry that man In the past have not been great and I can barely understand a word he's saying I think he's a good and legend, but Do you know what I hate to admit it but I can't yeah You know in that film is a life I'm right but some and actually in legend with hamhardy, which you've a doubt I grew up. I say not too far away.

He's been in a few films. He was in an episode of miss it So I played a gorilla. I got changed actually human So yes, he's a son of that And taren taren taren egging who's in that you obviously paid as i'm john If we can be a sister joke that we have a connection to him We don't at all but he's the nephew of someone my mum works with And it's like yeah, we we don't we don't we don't but there we go Taren egging. Sorry.

Um, well, sorry I was looking at something because the anti-surgis on if you go to the google Like the cast of lord of the rings it has golem and which king and I didn't and then I clicked on it And then I saw venom come up and I'm like what? I'm sure we did a reaction to that real. Why was it not mentioned in there? and But you were just interested in that right there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, not at all that But I didn't know about that the hobbit though That's quite interesting what you were saying Emily about being actually assistant director on that because Obviously, you know me. I'm a massive film but no because I want to make films one day So it's like I really wanted to know how they filmed the hobbits. I was watching they did um this time around for the hobbit They did a video diary on youtube. So I think they did like every three months I think they had a video for each three months and they showed how they filmed Um in the hobbit hole for example Um in order to get the perspective of the sizes They built two sets exactly the same and then they had ea mikellum in one and then um all the dwarves and Martin from the other and they had dual cameras so they filmed with the two cameras at the same time So the perspective of the ea mikellum being bigger and then being smaller worked in tandem Instead of realism.

Yeah, it's like technology The difference in technology for the hobbit that they did for the lord of rings is just odd but incredible Yeah, I still think the lord of rings looks prettier than the hobbit Yeah, that's because the lord of rings was more physical stuff Like, you know, it's fair enough that obviously Well, I just hit my microphone Um It's fair enough to obviously with the hobbit they wanted to use the technology that was there and that's fine Um, but you can tell that it's not real. Yeah, it's very so many there's a cool elements to it I think a lot of things very not pretty but you are I think really is the right word because the hobbit is very shiny Yeah, look at all of our news stuff and what we cleaned up because the world was the world was clean about it It's a lot shiny and right here. I have never actually seen the last of the hobbit Uh, what about five armies? It's okay.

Yeah, sorry I did watch I recently because when I have a deal where I don't want to particularly talk to people or see people I will literally put a lot of the rings on because I know my mother's gonna keep you there all day And but I've tried to do the hobbit again And I watched the first one and I'm like just I just don't I don't feel the same as I do when I watch Lord of the rings The issue I have with the hobbit is Why do they make half of the dwarves good looking Right. Yeah Half of them look like the walls and they look like how they describe like they're a little bit more gritty in the film In the books they turn up and they're like, oh this one was wearing a green cape and he had a long white beard This one was wearing a red cape and he had a long brown beard Killian Philly both wear blue capes and they have long blonde beard story turns up He's got a dark blue cape with a gold crest on it. He thinks he's really important He's like literally in the film. They made him this dark broody dude He's like, oh my god my family.

I just need I need the minds back and it's like in the book. He's like, yeah, you're right He's really pretty too. He's just a bit of a brat like he thinks he's too important for things But like yeah, they made him really dark in the film and I'm not sure why I said this is again talking back when originally first I was talking about those the films when like Lord of the rings And Harry Potter came out at the same time the hobbit films had a very harry part of fail from me in aspect Again, I don't think it was in that kid But there was definitely elements there for the younger audience to enjoy And again, the hobbit book isn't that wide I know that they brought in different aspects like the neck of answering stuff to the gold But again It didn't need to be a three for us It did not need to be three films because about the five armies is literally five pages of book Yeah, because that's the and something then literally Yeah, because token wasn't interested in the battle itself. It's it's all from Bill Bose perspective It's his journey.

It's his adventure and right at the beginning of the battle. He gets knocked out So he spends the whole thing unconscious. So he goes down literally when he wakes up everything's over thorns dying Kelly, I feel you already did. Um, he goes and says goodbye to thorns.

He dies and then they're like, okay So this is what happened and then literally they just give him like a summary of the battle And that's it Yeah, it's like a whole film about this battle. It was completely unnecessary. But I was not there for any of it So I don't know why He was there for the whole thing and he was fighting. It's like no Let's talk.

Let's talk about um the dwarf in the movie Um, oh my god, give me give me give me some of gline And because don't is it done? Resting this. Yes. Uh probably the biggest book is Yeah, but he's tall.

He's bulky and yet could not tell No, he looks amazing and I absolutely love him in legals's Relationship because they too should not work together Yeah, that was a well-painted dwarf and uh like an elf here But I said of getting a bit of a bromance towards the end, which was always great to see That's daddy counts as one And I just I am not now a fan of all land or bloom because he really peaked in this This is like the epitome of like his career is the Lord of the Rings because afterwards Didn't didn't kind of read and I did not like it I like it. I like it. I don't even like it in that. I just want to punch it in the field Don't give me wrong.

I want it to punch him in the face, but I have a love I have a love for those films So I kind of forgive it I just can't It was one of your favorite rights at Disney as well. So yeah No, I don't get it wrong. I do like the pirates film and I loved the fourth one Was the fourth one of the year by a diamond and oh wow that was I mean, I loved it because guess what And what I generally loved him as legolas But I hated the back of the king back from the hobbish because he didn't know what he bought Yes, he did not need to be there, but age wise, which obviously should be a lot younger He looks a hell of a lot older They don't have the marble technique when it comes down to de-Asian people because he looked haggard Like he looked like he'd been on a bender for about 10 days straight and then decided to rock him I think it is as well is that in obviously Lord of the Rings he's wearing contactness Because I made his eyes blue but his eyes aren't deep blue in all the rings whereas in the Hobbit They gave him really bright blue contacts and it looked older Somehow he doesn't know because it was that stragonally or he had that stragon look about him And just generally he just doesn't look right. It doesn't fit right.

It's not even in the book Like him both him and uh, what's the name? I think he tell you What's been there? Even Yeah She's not Do you know what custom wise elf wise she loves elf she looks beautiful Beautiful she's a silver elf as well. So that's why she looks different from the others She doesn't have like the bright blonde hair anything she's still been I'm a deep dive with elves on because there's a youtube panel who I love it They've got one for Game of Thrones.

They've got one for Lord of the Rings and it is a deep dive on elves And I am sitting I'm practically sitting there with a notepad Just trying to make sure that I take everything in and I still haven't taken it all in because I couldn't understand the difference between And Elrond because I was like they live in two different places. Why is it? She is the highest of elves is And I was like oh, I just wanted to normal see this is the best part about Lord of the Rings You've got so much that you can learn from it It's not just a story about two elves two hobbits walking from point A to point B And if that's what you take away from this You are not paying attention because there is so much more that is in it that you can you learn from it's like I think I think I've got kind of common I need to know though What's your opinion of brand will because the moment I saw him appear on screen. I was a bit like Is that the Legless is dad.

No, right? Okay. He's beautiful. Like that's not that's why I want to know Yeah, that man is stunning when it yeah, oh, yes, absolutely.

He opened his mouth. I was like, okay All right, all right I didn't know who that was and but I've just been you've just been looking on the cast and he was on the cast for some reason But he's obviously not in the Lord of the Rings. Um, I said there is one scene that I always that I get choked up as and it's so It's not the petty, but it's not it's not major. It's not big It's just before the battle of hell is deep when the elves show up and Aragon was to meet them and the elf he says the elves name and it's almost normal I'm sure he calls him Anthony Michael Anthony has something like that and he says it one time you know There was one time elves and men stood together and we we competed on that path in time Which means that now he is running down my base because all these elves and unison just tone And I'm like that's so impactful.

Like I just know why that is though because they don't really explain it in the film No, they don't do that aragon actually lived in rivendell with the elves But I kind of I kind of knew that because he wouldn't have known him aragon if he didn't No, yeah There was a connection between the two but they are so secretive on aragon's past because he's come You know, he's straggle when you first meet them because he's a reanger and but then he's got this other past where he's with And then he knows the elves with the torch But you can't yeah for what I know his I can't I don't know if his dad was a king I can't remember but his Yeah, he's a lion ever sealed off so he's yeah, he's a gondor Yeah, so he when he was born his dad got killed I believe even when he was out hunting or he was in an about or sometime And him and his mother fled to rivendell and he grew up in rivendell with all with all the with all the elves So that's why he's so familiar with them because he literally grew up with them and they called they called him a completely different name And I think I think i want to say his over name when he when you see him in Polish it I think Oh i love to look out for that because he speaks elvish and yeah He knows the legolas They him and legolas have something like they know each other Yeah, exactly I think that's the difference between the books and the films the films always leave a little bit So for your imagination shall we say so you always go back and think oh How is this bad and then you go back and make your own mind up or make your opinion but When it comes to fantasy you don't need that because the law is already laid down So you you know and with any fantasy genre that it's all the It's already there written down as to what it should be and it shouldn't be a mystery You should know it because it's part of the bigger story fantasy is so in my opinion. It's it's kind of sci-fi as well It's so complicated that to be honest. You just need it mapped out for you Like with star wars for example, i'm gonna give a star wars example As much as people don't like the pre-pools, it was kind of helpful to see everything mapped out Yeah Translate but even though you know a die-hard fan like might say oh they weren't necessarily But I thought they were pretty helpful in terms of mapping out story I love the prequels for that reason and I said this on our star wars episode He just did take away the many chlorines. I'll be okay And he was gonna say that but I know I I said this on our star wars episode I love the prequels because it lays the ground work down You need to know you do need to know they mentioned you know layer the first time you see lea she mentions the clone wars That the first time you see her on screen is there are two details projector and she mentions the clone wars And then you've got the cool ones that like the cool ones one of my favorite star wars films I don't care what anyone says.

I absolutely don't you? Well, it's not because we did a list in Robon is but I love roguan It's just it's unreal But I do you are right fantasy needs to be lit and mapped out for you because it's so in-depth in this one This is what gets me about the fantasy genre and the likes of talking and judge or amon How the fuck does their brains work? How do you how do you how do you start? It's probably started right now when he was 12 like planning it out and they said that Every time I look at the rule of rings universe I learned something new and I'm like how did this come from a singular man's brain?

How did this man not only come up with an entire universe of creatures and places he invented languages? Yeah, that's the way that I was I say way but not way it's sorry It's right though But you know the process of long the rings was all the 12 years and that is simply because he was teaching at the same time He was earning a living so not only is he teaching he's then going in and diving back into like jor-jor-harmon This is his full-time job. This is what he does. He's That's not that's not He will bring it out in his in his own time and it will be a means and because it will finish the story the way It's meant to be finished but there's a South bank show once and the and it was the length of George RR Martin And he has two houses.

He has his home his family home and then he has his work home and in his work home is you know them big filing cabinets the big metal ones He has hundreds of them in this house and it's every section is every part of King's London From languages from people to costumes to colors and it is all laid out in these filing cabinets So if he is stuck in a person He will go to the filing cabinet and find it the character and go oh yeah that and eat that's that's and I'm like hell I know But imagine this is that's George RR Martin's process because he learned it from talking To talk and do it. How does it come from one person's brain? It just doesn't make sense. Yeah, it doesn't make sense Honestly, that's the one that's the hardest thing to do like say I've tried writing short stories before and like I know Like the great writer and stuff, but I struggled just to amount out like to be a So like a story linear line because I like jump from point point point eight point C sometimes I got it I'm just so big.

Yeah, it's oh, I can't write your stories to see like I'm literally in the process of writing a story right now And I keep getting stuck and like hitting a wall because my brain is like seeing this like vast thing But I just can't put it into words That's not my problem when it comes to writing I can write the words and I've been writing Since 2014 I can write words and I can do descriptions But I can't come up with original concept because my brain is so mushed with the stuff that I love I just feel I'll start plagiarizing because it just because it's I just don't have an original idea because there's too many Great works already packed in there, but I can describe something I can write something in description I can review And how I feel about it, but I cannot do original ideas A phrase I was taught when I went to university when I was learning film Um, yeah, this the producer of sanny kuberick films come in Oh, he's the most wonderful little man. I've ever been in my life But he said a phrase and I've never forgotten it and he said nothing is written everything is rewritten Yeah, absolutely true There's no such thing as an original concept anymore He said you will always draw from inspiration from something you've seen or something you've heard Is that because every song has been sung is that but it's you putting your spin on it? It was well like if it means something to you then Exactly But that's why we started these type of like discussions these type of conversations because Exit with the whole like say as we said before with the whole lockdown situation It's been harder to have these type of discussions where you would normally go out and think them and it's such a Breath to have other people's opinions as well. Like say, um, and even though we don't always agree It's about like say they respectful and like say they're not being jotony about it But it's always nice to have Like say another view on something like say even if it's not a new view It's just like say having that kind of connection as well, it's it's what brings people together I sound so yeah We all love the same things.

It would be a very um, it would just be boring It would be good. I love all the conversations about things that that I don't that they I don't necessarily like But I'm more than willing to listen to you and if you can if you can sell me on it Then I will I will go for it from behind. I'm kidding And I'm rewatching it again Um, but yeah, I love these type of conversations because now you've got me hyped Emily to go and read the books I want to know more because this is why I love it I love the fact that I can have a conversation with somebody I think that I know when I'm like, I know my stuff and then I speak to someone else and I'm like, God, I know absolutely nothing I need to go and get everyone's ever so full logic to begin Actually, it's not known. Do you know what it is?

I probably might hear not known things But it's interesting because I always mean like since like I know Emily have known how passionate she is about like anything about culture and I say when like say the fantasy elements when they always say like open stuff So it was always interesting when this type of topic was gonna come up It was one of the first persons I thought about together Have you ever talked about Jim Henson films and then? Labren will come up one day, don't worry I don't think it's that You can do what you can do You can do a hard seal on that one because I've not seen Dark Crystal and it actually terrifies the life out of us Oh, that's yeah Yeah I probably did watch it as a kid but as an adult I can't rewatch it I only watch Will I'm gonna be in the beginning of the end of that too I get it The sketches are scary to look at They are when you're 5-year-old kid as well You've not seen any aspects like this before Dark Crystal is very complicated and very dark That's a name But when you think of Jim Henson, you think of Kermit And then you've got the Then you've got oh, Kenny Carr Yes, I get it I'm so distracted, you look like my Beatrice I don't know, she's gone Oh, black on my count, I got my Beatrice Um, yeah, so you think of these light and fluffy characters and then you see that And it's like, definitely two sizes, you've had a lot of it I think Jim Henson's responsible for a lot of kids nightmares and stuff Especially for the 80s and early 90s, we would think that's so cool But he's also... Even the Sesame Street was scary as well What? Sesame Street were you watching?

Sesame Street was scary Well, he also wrote a lot of joy because Christmas Carol isn't absolute classic He just brings me so much joy and happiness So yes, he heads both sides to him So are we gonna round it, wrap it up? Yep, so are we happy with a lot of things? I was just gonna say, like, we were talking about like Everything is rewritten Like, we take so much inspiration now from Tolkien Like, he established what most people depict Elzaz now He established what dwarves are now seen as Also, speaking of dwarves, you know that he was a language expert And he was a teacher in languages So the plural for a dwarf is dwarves With an FS But he hated it because it didn't make any sense Because plurals in other things would be a VES So he was like, why is it not dwarves? So when he made the Hobbit, he purposefully put dwarves And every time he sent his transcript or whatever it is to the copyrighters To get it sorted for publishing They kept correcting it to dwarves And he was like, no, I want dwarves Because that's how it's supposed to be Because that was his little rebellion in his books If you don't have Tolkien, you don't have the likes of George And I'm not a massive indie fantasy Unless it is It's a good idea But without talking about any fantasy elements If you think about it No, you're right And I was just gonna use George RR Martin as an example Because he's the only one I know who's elaborated on a universe Like Tolkien has Obviously his inspiration is taken very differently It's more English history than it is Actually made of fantasy type But yeah, you don't have the likes of him Without Tolkien He isn't amazing Think of anything, any form of media like Skyrim Takes a lot of inspiration from How certain creatures are depicted in Tolkien's universe You've got D&D That's in Dragons Like they definitely have taken the concept of elves That Tolkien has established and expanded on it And it made like different types of elves from that And then they made the dwarves Draws pretty much exactly how Tolkien described them in D&D So yeah, I can say I know I've joined I do love the films I can say that not me go to Like I said, return the King I've always had issues with Just because of the end and the weird end I know it's got to tell you so much things But I still, I always love the clerks reference Where it says it's just a film about walking And there is only one return and it's returned on July So I'm saying that You have to get the clerks to the clerks too But this and I was thinking to myself If he brings us up, what's my answer to it?

And it's what I said earlier If all you're taking away from Lord of the Rings is walking Then you are not watching this film properly No, but that's me too old I can say again It's always interesting to see other people's aspects And views on it which can totally get I know why it means so much And the passion comes from you two guys Is absolutely amazing But yes I would love to see it, I was a huge fan I would say I'm a fan, if that makes sense Have we come back? I'll take it No, not yet I've enjoyed the discussion But I'm still at the watching it this week It was a hard watch Again, I did enjoy it but I wasn't in a rush Just to watch for me, I just sit there and just I lavish in it I'm just saying I don't want this to end, I don't want to leave room dear I don't want to be in that meeting I want to be so amongst them when he says You will be known as the Fellowship of the Rings I want to be there Let me be a part of it Just me and Emily Sandin the background What's going on? So we're over there Thank you so much for joining us, Emily Thank you for having me I know you've found nights Normally you're streaming nights So thank you for next year Oh, that's not I didn't know You didn't say that Sorry about it I'll wait to do this I'll make sure all of Emily's details are down below as well Okay, I'm going to stream and get your Etsy shop I'll find if you send us a link I'll make sure it's in the comments Again, if anyone's listening I hope you've enjoyed that as well It's been an interesting take Not just a glorified love fest Which sometimes they'll have I think what we do Yeah, it's lovely being talking about something Different that is not with you Because obviously, no, it is a very wide range And we have our specifics of what we love And it tends to be comic books Marvel, DC, horror Very lot of horror And it's just lovely to jump into something different And all in have someone else To help me and back me up But also have that different That other stuff Someone other than Paul to tell me how crap this film is Because that's how it honestly called off to do it For the call you know When we said we were going to do a lot of the rings I was like great I'm going to have to get the defense out I'm going to have to get me statements ready And nobody said someone else was joining us That was in that love I don't need to do that now Oh my gosh, someone's in my corner Exactly It could be fair, I've lived through the last few years Never argue with the welfare So it never ends well But yes, again I said please follow us on our Facebook page Nerdiot North community Like I said Instagram is taking off as well Nerdiot North Follow us on YouTube Please, a subscription's are going up Just went over the 1,000, I think 150 subscribers But thank you everyone for the subscriptions And also watching last week's week Last week was I think the funnest We have I loved doing these podcasts But last week was just unreal Like the energy was just amazing And we were buzzing when we came off that one So thank you everyone for watching that one Sorry, go ahead So again, please subscribe Like I said we're on iTunes as well Spotify to search Nerdiot North We're getting quite a Like I said, it's been a day since then We hit the 2009 100-member mark on the Facebook group Which absolutely blows my mind I think we only started this seven months ago Which is just a mental But yes, and again Like I said Remember tuning next week Let's say in back time, same back channel Stay nerdy everyone, take care Thank you Emily Bye