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I am one of your horse Sam. Now we are the horse Paul. And we are doing kind of like a Friday night special with I think it's fair to see when this movie was kind of announced when we saw the trailer. It was a lot of choices in that trailer and it got a lot of people talking about it.
That's my word choices. We made the brave attempt to see that we were going review this movie and talk about it. And these are the brave souls that has joined us tonight. I say a brave crime was always up for it.
Charlotte kind of got dragged in and good will just didn't have a choice because Jake threw under the bus because Jake went, I'm not watching this movie. I am going to make good. We'll do it. Oh, what's your partner like?
Partnering crime. Yeah, so we are reviewing Rob Zombie's The Monsters. Yes. And I don't know if you want to get the disclaimer out.
Yeah, let's do it. Well, with this. So everything discussed in tonight's episode is our opinions and our opinions along. If you would like to discuss anything from tonight's episode, we'll use coming to the Facebook group where we can have an open discussion.
Well, we won't have anyone coming for us and telling us our opinions are wrong. I mean, we might let you run this occasion. We can all agree to disagree and abandon. So let's keep it fun.
Keep a kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of notism. Well said. And it sounded very professional when you did it on the BBC video. I'm sorry, but I sounded amazing.
Yes. So yeah, we'll have a little bit of discussion before we went live. So we'll have that little carry on. So Sam, you said you've watched this movie last Sunday, is this correct?
Literally when we came off and from the last podcast, I was like, what can I do? What can I do? I might as well get this out the way away. And Charlotte, when did you watch it?
Monday. Monday. I think they're like chat. That was like Charlotte.
Come on. I need someone to talk about it. Good will when did you watch it last night? Last night the same as me.
So we were like early birds. What about your grandf when did you partake in the glorious of this movie? Well, it's the night I've been looking for it for a couple of days before. I couldn't find a stream that wasn't full of hot women in my area that wanted no certain sex.
And then I finally found the stream for Wednesday night. So cool. And so we've all had a pretty recent viewing of the movie. What we do trying to in like say the media North community and on the podcast as a whole is trying to be positive, trying not shit on something, shit, shit, shit, shit.
I know we went hard with Oga's mobile. We still looked at the positives and I know a grandf when he saw it when he says Oga's more is a brilliant movie. We don't want to shit on anyone's work because at the end of the day we're not making movies are we? Certainly.
So I like to start out with the positives. I thought the costumes and the actual look of the movie was better than the trailer give off. Yeah. There was still a lot of campy camarangles and stuff, but I think that was more to do with trying to reenact or do a homage to the original show.
The guy who played Herman Munster, I'm really got the cast list of in front of us. I should really but I thought he was pretty much the stand out performer in my eyes. Yeah. I did get a lot of Herman's man in his arms down and he was quite entertaining.
But the look, the film, like say the actual like the coffee, caminess, I say, I enjoyed that aspect. I thought it was like really well done. John, I mean, really controversial. I fucking liked it.
I actually liked it. I was able to show it in death about this and the more I've thought about it, I actually, I will watch this again. Okay. I didn't think it was as bad as what the trailer made out to be.
It was because I don't know, it's given something to think about. I thought Herman was fantastic, absolutely fantastic. And it's such a contrast from what I've seen him in before. It took us a while to like as these voices saw, saw distinguished that I was like, I've heard this voice before, but I don't recognize that face.
And he's from one of my other favorite Rob Zombie films, the Lord of Salem. He's one of the radio hosts and that and I was like, okay. And Grandpa, the count, was just just, it seems brilliant. Absolutely fantastic.
I actually really enjoyed it. Well, I'm glad you did. I'm really glad you did. You are very welcome.
I've got so much, I could add this so much that is wrong with it, but a lot for me was quite right now getting to the what was not wrong with it. I think it was a brief choice to do a prequel, like, rather than just a rehash. Well, that was like, interesting to do, but the actual plot of the movie, I didn't really get or know where it was going till a lot further in. Some of the cast, the act and wow, was interesting.
As I said, Frank and Simon who made a German game of thrones. Oh, right. He's brilliant. No, he wasn't in this.
He really did the scenery on that one, didn't he? But when he was playing his assistant? Yes. Large guy.
Early. Early. Yeah. I thought he was entertaining anytime he was on screen.
I like these interactions with Herman. But as I said, it was strange because with it being a Rob Zombie film, I was expecting to go balls to the wall and make it a Rob Zombie film. But without a certain cast and being in showy moon, I wouldn't have pinned this as a Rob Zombie film. I mean, it was a Rob Zombie cast, that was a definite absolutely.
Every person in there is being another one of these films before. It was a Rob Zombie cast and it was a Rob Zombie some track was brilliant. I'm just wondering who the target audience for the movie was. That was the only thing that was left like me thinking when I was watching the movie because I don't know if it was aimed at like same monster fans.
I don't know if it was aimed at kids because it was quite kiddish at times like say with a few jokes and stuff. But it definitely wasn't for I would say like the adult audience and stuff because it didn't have like any end jokes or any type of like family film guy. I think it was a family film but it was more of a passion project for Rob Zombie himself because he was huge. Huge.
I think that's a huge monster fan. I think above all he did it for him and his wife. Very much. So that thing that's it.
And he only had there more than anything else is the fact it was for him and certainly for maybe for showing for Sherry to do. Oh she does have businesses but I do get where everyone's coming from because I was when I when a lot of people were poo poo in on the idea that Sherry would be playing Lily and when I looked at I was like said you know she doesn't look like a Lily and she definitely didn't act like one in that film either. But when I was watching it I was like I can't even like give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. This is not a good cast and she is not a good lily and what in the book was this?
Well let me kind of do that a little bit in the TV show where it's actually a matter of support. Tanya is the face and she took that she took what she could because we actually went back to me and we were looking at all that so it's a movie like it's just not like Lily was she was just a very strong woman and this didn't come up quite often. Yeah it's a Jeff Phillips who sort of nailed Herman's mannerisms a lot more subtly and a lot more naturally. That laugh.
That laugh was just every it's when he did that and then he started stamping his feet and I was like oh I can't saw a CBM I can't think of the original guy's name. Fred Gwynn. Yes that's it. Yeah it was him.
I saw him for like a second. If it could have just torn these green down a bit it would have been absolutely spot on because he was far too bright. I think it was an element of all the saturation. Because like Paul mentioned that you know because Paul you said you really liked the way the film looked and I noticed from the decor even from the trailer there was a lot of colour in this and a lot of LED colour not a lot of halogen colour.
I was on a joke show man got his hands on it. It was something that apparently Rob Zombie he loved the make so much on them that he wanted to accentuate it with the lights so that's why there is so much blues greens and pinks because he said he wanted to make a live action cartoon of the monsters. They do a cartoon. I know I'm dying to know what does grand think.
Well you would thought about whether it was a Rob Zombie film or not and I think we'll hit it on the head with it being like a like a labour of love for him. I'm not just a fan of Rob Zombie's films. I am an absolute mega fan of his music especially white zombie in the early years. I only need a look at that bit and be the some butt head that he animated where they trip out in the desert to know what Rob Zombie wants a certain thing to look like.
The early part of this film I'm very very polarized on it and you know the first half of it I fell in love with it. I love the colour. I'm a big fan of Darriouard. As far as horror is concerned if you look at movies like Infernal there's a lot of that bright light kind of contrast and what have you going on.
When I was watching it it was just got this wonderful kind of impression of how can I everybody knows what steam punk is. To me this was kind of like a few years down the line from steam punk it was like transistor punk. It was like this beautiful Victorian fucking landscape with neon lights and CRTs and fluorescent lighting and all of that kind of stuff. I fucking adored that imagery I really really did.
I don't think the colour needed to be torn down. You should have turned it all the way on. It's almost like it was in colour back in the 60s. That's exactly what they would have done because such I did it when I first called it.
There was a lot of different colours to accent you and I think that's what the one says. Oh my god I've just taken a colour. That's how it would have been because any colour was like trying to turn to 1000 wasn't it? So we had that bright quality to it.
I love the fact that you could get it Darriouard and Darriou Chenowel in reference in there with Rob's own piece of monsters. I genuinely love the fact that you could do that. Thank you very much. I also want to sing that kind of light and it just takes me back to the first time I saw Inferno and the first time I saw it I was blown away up until the plastic shell at the end of that second time.
But I don't think that's the only thing to say I saw again. I wasn't a film that I'm not going to come out and say I hear this no I wasn't saying that I'm going to go back to anytime but I know my wife she didn't enjoy it one bit she just ended up taking up a phone and just reading through like whatever was on or being candy gush. It kind of lost a lot there was loss on her. I thought it would have worked so much better as a TV show type thing like broken up in bits because even I don't know how good it was because it's got the time like how long the film was.
It felt like a long film. I had one hour and 49 minutes because I was like how long have I gosh before and realized what I'm watching? Because he was asleep when I came out with the podcast and that's when I thought I'll take my opportunity now and he woke up at the beginning just as I've put it on and he sat and watched all the way through and to be I've never heard him actually go what the shit am I watching here it wasn't until the end when he went to the book just happened. Nothing because of how it ended I felt like it was I was watching like an extended playlist for a baby show rather than film.
I was looking at it and it was like the first time I was like looking at the watch looking at the time and then it just felt like I don't know if anyone else felt like the last 15 minutes was like the actual movie and they just like crammed it into 15 minutes and I was like yeah that was the whole side plot of like these brothers he's broken all werewolf screwing them over and stuff like that and then like Zoya the chips you end up getting the castle and then going to California like it seemed to take too long to get to that part in the movie yeah I like next year I love the romance and I said I thought it would have been more funny because when I saw the trailer I was like we're going to see Lily Munster going on loads of dates with all these creatures from like yeah that was going to be the interesting part but all we got was was that Frick Ruger, Jackie Jones, Finn, Nostofado, whatever he's called. Jacky Jones, Jacky Jones, Jacky Jones, Jacky Jones, Jacky Jones, was that him playing I'm looking at the cast now. I can't move my arms. I'm too shy.
I'm a little bit like a rocker. I see where you get that from. It's a face, isn't it? That beautiful, looking face.
That was one of my favourite bits of the film when you just showed all the photos of the film. The rat. Would you like a stroke and stuff like that? If I was single, that would go on with the centre range.
Look at me, but... I'm actually called, not for ratoo. I don't know if it was actually called that in the monsters. I'm sorry for that creature.
The black logo and outfit was the worst one. I've seen better ones in there. I've seen better ones in there. I've seen them down in Hendon.
When Creature came on, because I'm a cute little fan, I was like, oh, what have you done to him? I did my rosemary's baby moment. What have you done to his eyes? I think that kind of it's in with the aesthetic of it.
It wasn't meant to look like it because it didn't when it was the amount of things. It was aesthetically, it was everything you would expect the monsters to be in for life. There's one thing you can say about Rob Zombie with regards to his filmmaking and if he's going to do a visual effect, he's going to do it properly. He's not properly, he's going to do it the way that he wants it to be seen.
You know, I'd never be a criticism of Rob Zombie that he got his special effects wrong because I know he pays a lot of attention to detail with stuff like wigs and practical effects and that kind of thing. I think everything that was meant to look shit was supposed to look shit. The only thing I do is worry a little bit about this is because after we saw the first trailer, the reaction of God, it kind of like the studio went into panning mode and soldered the Netflix, sold like, went for it, just not getting a similar release anymore. Was there a fact that I could say this was a little bit rushed out as well?
Because I could have been, as I said, just wanted this out for books. A little bit like one of them was doing with every single DC premise. I don't want to. Well, I heard the filming for this and the overall production was between November 21 and July this year.
Right. So we got the trailer, I think we got the trailer beginning of August, got on the front of anyone else. That's pretty quick, but I also believe that. And this is my conspiracy.
Universal, who's, I mean, the sub company was 1440, they do like Stritter, what the cost of DVD films, they're keeping the ad and got to and stuff. I believe they had so little fifth in this film after they've seen it. They didn't even do a trailer. And I think Rob Zombie did the trailer himself.
Yeah. Because this was also not even put on their YouTube channel. This was released through Twitter. There was no trailer added to Universal's YouTube channel for this.
But I've heard rumors as well that Universal's been what going to be the next company to be bought out by Warner Brothers in Discovery. Oh my God, it's going to be like Warner Brothers versus Disney soon, isn't it? Who's going to take over the world first? The Disney world.
Disney money is bigger than all money. So, yeah, there's a lot of different things and a lot of things. I did get a feel that this wasn't a complete film. Just because, as you said, when we got the end and it kind of just went, OK, so is that now the monsters?
And so that's all the cast and people who were like rumored to be here because Elvira was meant to be in it as well. Yeah, but I think Rachael was Barbara Rossing was that there. She was the area, was the area. Yeah, she came out of the way.
She came out and was like, oh, it's my cousin. I wish they could have done it actually as Elvira as well in some way. That would have been entertaining. I think it was nice for her just to be Cassandra, as opposed to having to, you know, she's sitting here, you're all.
Like, she has to put all that clamber on. And I love the fact that Marilyn, the original, not the original, the second Marilyn, she was the second one Charlotte. Yeah. Yeah.
She was in it. And so was the original any monster. Don't ask me where they were though. Couldn't tell you.
She was the, you know, one other other plane called the California? She was the voice over. Yeah, she was. That was it.
Yes. Because D Wallace is the voice over for the Transylvania and Bodger McCallat. That's right. Yes.
That was D Wallace. Another one who, another after soon was becoming a Rob Zombie cast member. I think this is a second film with him now. Yeah.
Because I know when we got towards the end bit, that's when it started to feel kind of like the monsters, like that I remember as a kid and stuff, when they're like being out in society, but out in, like, say, trying to be these monsters in everyday life, typing, and that was the whole premise of the monsters. Yeah. So I'm just surprised it did take so long for it to get there. And like the whole romance and like the honeymoon with Herman, but as well, because Lily was, like, I could be wrong, but Lily was always about viable when they were sitting out in the sun as well.
That was kind of irritating as well. So why should I turn like, scared of the sun? Yeah. And couldn't quite understand what Lily was.
She didn't make it very clear. She had this like electric power and I'd say, what, what, like that? He's like, I remember that you being able to, or bolt out of her eyes. It was a sith-lord for some reason.
When you were a kid, I was like, what? How did he? I did love that they changed him in Monster. And it was rockstar with his macadole.
Oh, I love that. That's brilliant. I love the quality. I love that.
Yes. But that's the thing I do think the God Herman right. Like say, the God elements where you thought when you're watching, this feels like the old TV show would come be funness. That I didn't expect I will get.
I thought we were going to get Rob Zombie Strange, something out of like a B movie, a porn set or something like that. Like I thought the visuals and stuff that we got from the trailers were that bad when we originally saw it. I was going to put the movie together like this. And again, they use certain flares and even the shorty camarangles was used the same way as it was used in the show.
And it kind of got that feeling. I thought, right, they're getting so many elements right. But it just wasn't quite there. It's, as as as as Gudulan Grandsport said, it was like a passion project and probably Rob Zombie's friend, right?
I want to do it. I want to do it my way and how I remember and stuff like that. But that always doesn't, that doesn't always translate to other fans or whatever. People, like I know you're never going to make everyone happy.
No. That's the big all or end all of it. And but it just if you're going to tape on something is loved. And because if you look back at other shows, other films that's done, similar films, if you go back to the say the Adams family, the Adams family changed it enough where it was completely different, but still had the same feeling as the show.
Because if you go back and watch the Adams family TV show, it is literally just a one, one short note. It's all can be in creepy. But the actual Adams family movies that just works in half-renders, when you look at them, like it's all about getting the right cast and getting the right people. I don't necessarily think the story was that bad.
It was just long winded. Yeah, the chat's not, not agreeing like that. I love that, I love that. Rob, what do you mean plot as zombie?
I'm sorry. That's the two biggest things that I like to let you have for me was Cherry Moon and she, what was that? Traces. Her bad, Marilyn Monroe impression.
It was all like that. She's just, I didn't know where that voice was. Let me monster in the monster. She's the scary one.
She's the powerful one. She's the powerhouse of the family. It's this, like what is all this? I tell you what though, that outfit she wore when they're on the honeymoon in Paris was beautiful.
I cannot say the woman is not beautiful. She is, I actually am quite a bit of a fan of hers. But she has got chill apart eyes. Do you put her in anything with one's eyes?
It's going to be like, it's getting the right. Yeah, so it's not like she's being taken out of a certain environment. You're wrong, Charlie. I'm not going to get to the moon.
I'm not going to get to the moon. I'm not going to get to the moon. I'm not going to get to the moon. I'm not going to get to the bad thing, but when you look at the moon, I'm not going to get to the moon.
That's what I thought about. When you look at the moon, as I said, she's classy, she's hopeful, she's scary. I said, Herman wouldn't mess with that. You can tell there was a connection there.
But from Herman, you could see why he thought, but it was just, yeah, it's just everything. I think Kev put it best as well. I'm not showing you, sorry. It's just all the LEA.
Yeah. Do you know what? It's such a shame because there would have been somebody else who could have, who could have just gotten, she just didn't get it. Like she just, it's like she almost went, oh, well, this, I'll just, this is how I'll do it.
I'll tear him down, baby firefly in a way. Like, there was just, it's, I don't know what I just was not, and I really do like her, and I just couldn't find apart from what she was wearing, anything that said Lily about her. Yeah. Absolute creeces that they, I got you baby.
I thought that it was brilliant, but it didn't feel like Lillian Herman. Can I ask that? Gensively here for just a second. Please, Grant.
OK, this is a prequel, OK? And it's a slightly modernized prequel with slightly modernized values and all of that kind of stuff. What kind of girl, like personality-wise, look-wise, wants to book Herman Monster? Stop.
How many series days is this? All the end of the girl goes out and looks at that. You can only imagine what the rest of him fucking looks like and thinks, why I, Tara's and half. Bratty, hypermanic style queen, that's what she played.
That's exactly what Lillian was when she was young. She's just thinking, I want him to rip us apart. I want to say that I'm a big vaults grant. I mean, God, at some point, I honestly thought in that you were going to make a really good argument and not go down the route of, yes, I want him to tell me new one.
Did you really listen to him? Did you really listen to him? She's the human him. You know what I mean?
He's got to be kind of erratic and slightly unhinged to one before Crocran can stand monster. What is she being through before? I'm just wondering if she should have had a rocky montage of all of our ex-boyfriends and stuff. We love a good Shrampage.
Disappointing werewolves, the Jackie listen to them. It's going to be part of the dress of a toothbrush. It's sitting in 27 minutes for the tour to be lost. And this is a family full of it as well.
That's fucking 30, that's when 69 Baker appears. We're just waiting for the comment to come in. I ain't modding that short, someone else is going to have to find that tonight. It's going to be scrubbing that clean.
It's just going about the film itself as a whole. Did anyone else have audio issues throughout as in scenes where there were just super quiet and then scenes where there was just super loud? I had a guess with it. I don't know if it was just the stream I was using, but mine couldn't go on it was sync.
So I had to keep on lining up the track every so often. I think that was a small to do with the dodgy stuff I was using. Oh, I don't know. I noticed it in the actual trailer as well.
It's almost, there was a lot of issues with sound levels and audio mixing and it was almost like all scratch track as in it was never polished through ADR and all. It was never like there was a scene where Lily and Grandpa were at a table and it was all where the telly was in the centre when she first sees Herman. It was all sight of the microphone was all pointed towards Lily and it was like, oh, he's beautiful. I think he's great too.
Just like what? I can't really see. But the back is Grandpa for the back. Yeah, and there were certain scenes where I turned it up to like you, you know, 400.
And then the next scene was booming. I mean, I had to turn it back. I can't remember. It was just him kind of sitting slightly on polish.
Like, slightly unfinished. Yeah. That's why I think like we mentioned earlier, like from getting the trailer, because normally when you get a trailer for some, that, for a potential big movie, because let's be honest, the monsters, they're still at a massive IP and it's got a big following. This could have been like huge and from getting a trailer and the movie released within a month, that to me, like say, there's probably a lot of stuff that goes on.
But as Grand says, Rob Zombie does like to fiddle with these work as well. So I wouldn't be surprised if like an eating six months or years time, okay, the record's just kind of this as well. With some alternative footage with probably claimed a little bit more and I could say any of the issues that they're probably, because they're doing it now with Stranger Things. If you go about more Stranger Things now, there's different scenes, there's different things already being added in.
Yeah, the different brothers took a look at it and just went, oh, because of the platform we're on, we can't actually make changes after it's out. And that's it. Yeah, I knew that. But didn't this come out on Blu-ray?
This is how we've actually been able to see it. No, no, it came out in streaming in America on Wednesday, I believe. No, I've seen people with visual copies. This is how I'm going to be able to watch it now.
But yeah, they had physical copies of it. Yeah, but it says a quotation in voice. You can get a copy online, it doesn't have to be like a physical form. Yeah, because Judge Northern has come watching on the actual platform.
I think there was an element of Russian as like you said, well, it's just photography for everybody to do. I don't know. How dare you? I think, you know, if he's then had two months, edits, every special effects, that's it?
Yeah. I think Grand Central was sort of perfect. The first part of the film felt like a finished article. The second half, even when they're going like they're having the costume competition part, it was all smoky and dark and it was completely different contrast to what we were saying.
I think I don't know if there was sort of been highlights or anything but again, like the elements didn't quite make sense and how they were like, oh, yeah, Herman, you're a big fellow, I'll give you a job in our funeral parlor and stuff like that. When they said that, I lost my mind. I actually when I heard Mr. Greus' name, I was like, this is what Herman knows.
And then when that money of the end of it, that is not what happened to Herman. He went so much like a funeral home and I was like, I was so baffled by the ending. I was like, and also when I saw the fact that it didn't see it because I'm saying it as me, oh my God, it's Morgan Birdley in and then it came up with something else. I was like, I didn't say Morgan Birdley.
Do you think right in his mind and probably not, but do you think it any time that Rob's on the top, he was going to get a sequel and then halfway through film it, can you? Oh, well, let's be honest, they give him Halloween too after that fucking shit. So I'm sorry. Grand Central, you can tell me it's all right.
I'll tell you what that one is on news. But after Halloween, they give him Halloween too as well. So I wouldn't be surprised if Rob Zombie was thinking he could, because this was a better film than Halloween. I'm sorry.
It had a more cohesive story and that's seeing a lot. And Grand Strictly said, looking very serious now. I think you just have an audio issues. Charlotte is just disappearing into Jesus.
What is going on? I'm back there. I was about to die. What is happening?
What is happening? I'm not meeting another production of this one. That were all dodgy, they're intersecting us now. But the real guys, how we watched it.
I think, I definitely think he was hoping he was going to get more out of what he got from this because I'll be surprised now. So I think we've lost to Grunts. No Grunts. But see what happens.
You can still see him. That's normally you disappear. He doesn't know. He doesn't know.
He's looking very sadistic. He's actually giving Bill Mosley a run for his money. Charles Manson vibes there. It definitely feels like a set of four parts here rather than standalone.
I felt it was very, I mean, towards it. I thought there was certainly all of them. I thought there was certainly all of them. I thought there was certainly all of them.
Maybe the mother was a while walk? Maybe. I think they might have to explain Eddie. Now Grunts has the blood on his face.
I'm very happy. I've gone this whole podcast on YouTube with Blurge all over me. Now it's Grunts turn. You have the blood.
He's currently looking incredibly sadistic. The blood is like coming down here in India. Look I was always going for us. I was the last person that's flagged off, I was not.
It was plenty of them out there. Don't you all think I'm going to kill them off. I don't like them. I will steal.
I'll steal it here. It's going to work. I will steal it here. Your name is Bill.
You want time wherever you want. Oh, God. Reminder, reminder. In the future.
Grunt and Goodwill, non-on together. Start a record. With a flat draft, OK? Exactly.
That's right. It's all good. so yeah so in my opinion this movie would have worked better more as a tv show this would have been like to say a decent pilot and then letting in the scene where it would go out. I would always have stuck with the show more because then he would have found the feats, found the writing, for re-cast a few words.
It's funny that you said that all. I've got a none fact yeah and none fact life. No fact. Cute.
Did you know fellow nuns and a Bryan Fuller filmed a pilot of the monsters last year and it was drops really. Was that? Any other other one? Was that previously?
No, no, this was last year. It was for pilot TV show, pilot for a new monsters and Universal just went nope. Hello, resolentee. Is Brian for the bad one of the all right?
Is he good? He's a good one. He's not the ex, he's not the ex, he's not the ex, he's not the other Brian. Okay, he's a good one.
Okay, I was like, okay. He's the one I've done now Hannibal. Right. He was, he was, obviously he did a second.
He was a mockingbird lane that they called it and film pilot wasn't even a dropped it. Wow. Was that not a movie called mockingbird game? Well, is that not what he was trying to read?
Shadda's all new information. She's like, I can do it. He was a TV show, I believe. I'm a hundred percent sure.
There's a movie called mockingbird game. But that's what I was actually just going to talk was going to bring up was how in one did the, I know the monsters had like it's more of insight from the 60s to about the 80s because it was like they had the TV show, then they had the specials and then they had a new cast coming into it. And then he just zoomed nothing figures. How have we not had something before now of the monsters?
We had something in the other, yeah, the other, the other, the 70s as well. Well, I was saying like the 50s up to the 80s. There was a lot going on. And then that is just gone.
Really was I and Adam's family who out of the two families amongst us were always my favourite is had a lot more screen presence. Oh, well, I'm just reading about this, Brian, for it was actually 2012. My mistake, I do apologize. It was a dark re-imagining of the monsters for television.
Have I guess who heard the monster was going to be? Jerry O'Connell from their sliders. All right. Oh, I'm not sure.
The kid from Sam by me. And you guys are correct. Eddie has had a was grandpa. Yeah, I knew that.
I thought you say that. I thought you thought there was one developed last year. There's a pilot. You can actually get the pilot if you look around.
I'm sure I've seen it because I remember it. He is not being a part of it. That was the almost straight. I'm almost straight.
I'm not sure I came up with that. I was often grand, sorry, founded. No, sorry. I didn't mean to cut Charlotte off out of the other one.
I didn't want to see it. It's cutting the three parts. Oh, I did not know this is the thing. Oh, those images are cursed.
Wow. Yeah. So do we think we're going to get a sequel from this? I would say yes.
I really do. I really do. You are right. If someone gave the green light for Halloween, too, they've got some like fear for them.
Here we are. I don't want that to be. Me too. I think because of how kind like university fund has been, I don't want to.
What does it have called status? Exactly. That's why I had that yet because the blue ray sales are actually quite good. The Netflix review and it hasn't been too bad.
Do you think this is going to be one of those ones where despite all the terrible reviews, people are going to watch to see if it's as bad as the reviews are seen so that even the viewing ratings are actually going to be quite high. So it might be that it gets a sequel. I mean, come on. We don't always listen to reviews to there.
There's been some absolute atrocities made in sequels. I'm going to talk about them on Sunday. I'm going to watch Dream Warriors. I know I have to do that this weekend.
But next year, I was expecting to hear this more than I probably think. But I was trying not to go in with that expectation. That was my big worry when I was trying to prepare myself. And don't think you want to hear it.
Just watch the film and experience because I think a lot of people are already slagging it off and before it's even started. Like since I've got the post on the Facebook page, not the group, but on the page. We were going to review them on this. I think the majority of the posts were negative.
I don't know how many people actually seen them. It was just like, it's easy to review this. A lot of it was like, art in that opportunity. I think we're going to get caught really gently.
Ten minutes, I think. Exactly. A lot more happened. And I was like, I was taking on a bit of a ride with it.
I'm not going to lie. I really, I really liked it. I really didn't mind it when I sat there and I mean, Charlotte would be like chatting about it. Because I was like, I was like, I was like, that's not allowed.
I needed, I needed someone to validate what I was feeling. Because I was like, I'm like, that's what your husband's for. Oh, he's good for. We only think he was in Sammy.
We're pretty much on the same page. Yeah, very much. We were like, did we like this? We had to do it.
He's still on the naughty step now. I'm sorry, Paul. I mean, I didn't like it. But I didn't mind it.
Yeah. And I can sort of appreciate the cheesiness of it. The way she was. But I think that's what saved it more than anything else is because it knew it wasn't to take itself too seriously.
So then allowed you to like get caught up with how silly and stupid it was. And again, just not a bad idea, not bad. It's just like, I don't keep saying about choices that the mead kind of soil that just because of he wants to have certain people in certain roles. Or even I don't mind if he wanted to have his wife in the film, but not a character that she couldn't clear.
Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. It was wasted on us. We could have had a really.
I would have liked it. I'm like, the girl who plays the L. Virac because I was. I don't think it's.
I don't think it's. And have her as Lily. I would have thought that. I didn't know how many.
I didn't know how many faces were in it. Where you go. Oh, it's like, like, you also got a pie. I was just going to say it.
You mentioned. I was like, I was like, is it? Like, is this why? I was like, oh, my God, it is.
So there was. I realized it was the best on top of grump. I was like, what? So there's a lot of faces in it that like, they might not be like massive names, but you know what this is.
Yeah. I liked the one that got him up in Berlin. I wasn't too keen on the. I don't know, like the honeymoony bit, even though she looked, she did look fabulous.
And I wanted to see more of the street that they were going to be living in. Yeah. I wanted to see that because it kind of looks fun. Yeah.
I mean, good to see building that interactions with the street and how. Like the people kind of interacted with them once they realized that they're not in the outfits. That was always like the kind of interest in the in jokes in the usual back in the day. That that's the kind of humor that was lost out.
And I think the Adams family, I said, sorry to keep, because this is the way it will always get compared to because it was the same type of time, sometimes when the happens when we come out and how well and how well produced. And like if you think about how well that was shot, like, perhaps even for the time, it still holds up as one of the most beautiful Gothic movies made in a long time. And you got that interaction with the normal people, if you can say that as well, how they didn't like them and how they try to get them out. And the twist that they did with an omefesta, like sic, Chris Belloid as omefesta was just unbelievable.
So if they've got a casting, like, like a part that's like the cast of even half way as good as it did with Adams family, and all we're getting again soon in Wednesday, so that again, that looks like it's had normally put in that TV show than this film by itself. There was a rumor, there was a rumor because a lot of people said, oh, the buns are just got a $40 million budget. And well, there was a rumor about that. It was $40 million, but Rob's actually came out a few days ago.
And he didn't give a figure to how much it was, but he said, oh, if you compare these films and the monsters, it's all up to $30 million. So I did the math. You saw he did. He compared it to Halloween, which was $15 million, three from hell, three million, the Lord of Salem and 31 were $1.5 million each, leaving $9 million for the monsters.
That was his budget for that. And yeah, it doesn't feel like a $9 million. I'll give him his shoe with that. The thing is, look at the detail in the visuals.
You can't see it because you've got to remember he built all the sets, so he built them up, he built them up, he built them up and built in. I think anybody else in his house. Some of the first images were sold. So if you take that, I'm all getting focused on it.
I think anybody goes in his house. That's all I said. It's just being uplifted and put in his backyard. But not the whole colour as well.
Because he doesn't know what he's doing. The Adams family sets from the 60s. That was all the things that he allows and everything. My God.
Yeah. So, you know, a lot of people give this stick for the colourisation. But yeah, that's what he was making the 60s. That's how we would have been for the studio audience.
That's what they would have seen these bright, bright colours. Yeah, to prove that with the most recent one with the Christopher Norwe was in the lighthouse with. Yes. And it's called Twilight Sky.
That's it. Because it surely is outfit. He was like just like Missy Amario brother. But to accentuate the colours of black and white that after you.
Yeah. But that's why when it's, oh, what was it singing in the rain? For all it was in colour, the certain colours that still at the time didn't stand out. And rain being one of them.
And he was singing in the milk. Not the rain. Do you do you think guys off the back of that Rob Zombie will do a black and white version of this? I would like to do that.
I would like to start. All right, there'll be a DVD on extra next year. Like I said, there'll be a direct as good. But they'll do like a man-backs thunder road like a black and white version.
I think he's going to be wrong. I'm not going to be wrong. I think people will probably respond to it. I don't know if they're not.
I still think they'll think sharing movements and choices. Which you did. Because I never want to shit out. I don't really want to shit on anyone, especially her, but they were some choices.
It wasn't. No. Don't know. Kevin, come on guys.
Come on. Hello. Hello. Hello.
We're done. Yes. I was going off. I got that before you.
Guys, can I pitch a theory about this Blu-ray special and that kind of stuff? Because there's something Paul said before and the structure of this film has been confusing the fuck out. I mean, say the first half, I love it. And it's almost like the bit that we're Herman and Liddy got married.
It's like a different film. It's an everything changes, the cinematography changes, the lighting changes, the tone of it changes. But the exception of that little blue screen bit. Paul mentioned about how long they've been filming principle photography for this film.
And that's not the way that Rob Zombie usually does things. He's normally quite quick to get the principle photography out the way. When we're talking about studio panics, I think Rob Zombie's original vision of this film has been cut in half and I think it's cut in half at the wedding scene. I think what happens in the second part of the film is a studio demanded reshoot to appease the fans to take it up the mockingbird lane.
You know, imagine that landscape that you've got to begin with. Like I was talking about this kind of electrified Victorian imagine Paris. 1887, just as the world's fair is about to kick off with that added electric vibe that Rob Zombie had on. I think there's a second part of this film that has not been published.
And when we get it properly, we're going to get the look of the first film done for two hours as opposed to the first, I timed it. It's an hour and six minutes and an hour and six minutes. It's like somebody goes and turns all the lights off, turns all of the color off turns, all of the thematic building off in this film. That's not the way Rob Zombie makes films.
Something's gone awry in the filmmaking process with this. Do you think, do you think, Grant, because this was shot in Hungary? So the whole location, like most of it was shot in Hungary, do you think at the end of say like the filming schedule for the obviously the only shoes, Universal's coming to my sector coming and going, right, let's have a look at the footage of what you've got so far. And then it's just not being happened.
I reckon potentially so whether they go to Paris or not is by the by, but I would like to see that. You know, imagine it, you know, they sail out across the Atlantic and you get the all the crew have gone to the jump over the door. Well, at least we've got some time together. And then the wandering around in the electrified Paris and what have you.
And the concept of mockingbird lane is not there yet. This is supposed to be a prequel. And up until the middle of the film, there's nothing to suggest modernisation aside from neon lights. Because the whole premise of the the the the the the werewolf brother-in-law coming with his name now trying to scan them out the castle.
That didn't seem to fit in the film, if that makes sense. No. Yeah, that seemed like a completely separate story and just give me a second. It's not just a bit of a tension.
There's no like chaos for that. It's good. It's just very excited. Look at this.
That's what I'm all about. I keep having fun. That's what I'm saying. That's a man.
That's a big deal by Herman Montz of the dog. I'm going to be being caught in for now. I can I can really see what you're saying now looking at it that way. Like how broken up the film is.
I think I think I have the studios coming and says you need to do something. You need to rectify this and that's what we've gotten. Yeah, that's a real fast way to do that. I do think I've got a lot of songs on Zoomies.
Very cool. I do think that's why it feels like it should have been a TV show because we like to set the things and the end especially. Probably. I think I love it.
We've got some money. That's the thing. As you said, Rob's probably had his vision. The studios wanted their vision.
She can't go. And they've lost the Charlotte again. That's just fantastic. Thanks.