Well live hi everyone and welcome to the N Lee and Chris they've come back because this is the episode that was meant to happen many many moons ago yeah yeah yeah and I thought we're gonna get individual reductions that I was ready to be like they call me Lee because that's my name Shabu yeah yeah yeah sure your roll call no you said you said no credit over the last two weeks I think boys are known oh fuck off of that you couldn't be the bad boys in a wet paper blanket yeah yeah so yes but hey Sammy's finally got a wish she's got a dream episode that she's pined for for three years the episode that was meant to come out in September but they got too excited Lee couldn't wait and started up top grumps earlier than was expected do you have a problem coming early there Chris I mean Lee well so get the disclaimer at the way lovely lady yeah let's do this so everything this is in today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone if you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode 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is three years she's getting a Michael Scott moment that's that it is oh yeah that's what she said yeah I was said to me self I need to allow everyone to guide the conversation of me just joining because otherwise I'm just I am gonna ruin it and I don't want to ruin it you don't ruin it you're deaf so yes this I think Lee is is like me Lee was not an office fan and was kind of forced into it because we were gonna do an episode of the office and he had a blast of it Chris and Sammy are like office me and he actually is here I know Chris's lovely other half Molly is is a huge office fan and I did ask for the commander the main spirit at Chris said no he wouldn't share the light with oh yeah I'm not having this not having these rumours all right Molly doesn't want to come on she said she doesn't like Paul right I'll take that that's fine Molly I can understand most people don't like me so it's fine everyone loves Sammy everyone likes Chris people totally really but nobody likes me so it's fine and I'm already doing just doing stuff right in presence and stuff downstairs and she's like I need to hurry up that's fine but yeah and Sam's trying to get me to watch this many for many times I was a like an office fan in the UK office and I didn't really think like it would live up or be as good as because let's be honest like the office UK is top level cringe humor British style and it's very British humor as well it is yeah when it comes to have it to have it translate over yeah because Americans have done this a lot like they did a like a Mars which didn't quite go over they've done shameless they've done a lot of different of red dwarf the different the in between yeah the red dwarf the in between is the shameless one did what the office did so the so the first episode is very much word for word the first episode of the UK one but then they kind of like once the characters are established they then go off on their own and it's exactly what the office did as well yeah I think the problem I had is I just have you see the people involved and you hear like people say it's such good things but you'll give a go the first season until you know the characters the way you get to know them it's very difficult because they try and do the British humor and it doesn't translate well let's be honest the first season if you've not like if you've seen the British office you will think nor this isn't for me but yeah but once you get in all their characters and I think that's where the American office takes over and goes right this is where I think because they'd be setting on these characters and put them in American situations rather than British situations like the word in the first season and that's where this kind of takes off and grows legs and like I know people say from season two I wouldn't say a season two like half year through season one I'd say half year through season one you fall in love with certain characters and you go along with the right but yeah that was my take but they took me a long time to get past season one I can understand that because the first few episodes are kind of mirror image of the UK one and then they do start to branch out and what you tend to forget because this is so old now is it at the time of the first season Steve Carell is not Steve Carell that you know him to be like he hasn't even done a four year old version at this point and so this is like a whole new act for him and I only know one of the top of my head the only person I know is an alternative cast member actually got to live out his Michael Scott dream in a later episode which is Bob Odenkirk he auditioned for Michael Scott and obviously got knocked back for Steve Carell but later on in the series he gets to play out with him and he's out his version of Michael Scott and I thought that was that was genius that's the only alternative custom that I know but yeah the the first season is a big touch and go you've even got him in the arms she's not in the arms at that point nobody knows who she is she's just fresh out the drama school that's how like one that's how old it is to be fair if you look through the whole set like series from season one to nine the people who they get involved in by cameos or like I've guessed the payments is they get the who's who of like not just American comedy but British comedy as well but as I said going back to the first season because if you'd known to basically the UK office the characters in there you start comparing like the things like Dwight's to Gareth and Tim and Jim like I know the name is very similar but you start comparing the characters and trying to get there like character flaws or problems from it once you move and you get like the relationships in these I do think you get like more out of the characters and I get nine seasons of it but you do get more out of the characters in the office US than you do in the UK and I was so surprised by that. Yeah it gets to the point with the US one where it's not a flying the World documentary anymore you just watching a series that's how it gets to the point whereas with the UK one it always kept that flat and I know there's only three series to compare against nine but you always had that I'm just so glad that Michael had so many differences to David Brant even in the first episode it was as much as he was saying almost mirroring what he said but in American style and it's still there was still a difference straight away which I really appreciated and probably the reason why I kept with it. And for a show as compact as this the character development in the show is I don't think there's many shows that can stand up to it because each like I know there's like all the characters people leave people come back but each character have such a journey through all these seasons. It's amazing to watch and it's amazing to experience as well.
So it's not just one key story or key love story or key relationship. They do have a few funnels which I know will talk about as well but do you get what they were trying to do when they get the characters and they allow them to kind of breathe as well which I absolutely loved. Yeah, I mean they don't want what's like only half the characters don't think I actually get development but they're just talking them more time and it's just beautiful how you get to see what they actually like creed. It does not change throughout the whole series but you just you keep seeing crazy little bits about them standing as well like Stanley doesn't have any different.
Just the whole time is just like I just want to go home. So when they when they stop getting the characters when the development stops and because there is a time in the office where things do does get steel. That's when you realize this has this has to end. You can tell the likes of Rainn Wilson and John Kuzinski they're ready for the out like they're ready to branch out now and it starts to it so it does have its moments.
And I appreciate when they ended it. To be honest, it probably should have been done a season earlier. I don't mind the last season I love I love the introduction of Nelly. I think Catherine Taiton was wasted she should have been in a hell of a lot more than what she was and they should have kept with the Nelly who originally met when she's with them to pack her in them.
That's the one who should have because she would have taken Andy on so much better as that character as opposed to the Nelly who joins the office. I even don't mind Charles Meiner took us a long time to like the Charles Meiner era but I got there it's alright. There's something else out of it. It's weird to think people are like I love this character I love this character but I think these characters are designed for you to hate them.
Nobody has any good qualities apart from like maybe Hammond. A couple of others but most people are just horrible. I'm not sure I'll get the opposite of this because you can compare this like it's always funny because these characters and it's always funny you love them but the worst of the worst awful awful awful people. These characters have bad traits but it's like you get that when any office person but you also get like the moments to shine.
Like I mentioned Stanley Stanley is one of the more selfish people and he's like a dulter it does some wrong things but in the latest seasons. I'm not sure if I'm going to go to the next episode which gets Stanley and it's beautiful. When Jim asks him and fellas to look after a few clients because he's going by a time and they make him take him for dinner and the push him the buttons but when they're like in the car they'll go yeah we'll always go after you guys and it was just like a nice at the moment. I'm not going down that elevator again you get fixed so yes in Dwight gets permission to use any forces and needed and busy uses a tranquilizer docked to get enough physical comedy and just absolutely brilliant stuff like Stanley out of it and that like just out the hall getting them back to the building he's like oh yeah he's like you know what you got me down you're gonna have to get me back up and he got to sell that moment it was just like I just I was there and it was everything for me.
I'm going down the stairs and the drop of money. Physical comedy out of that man is absolutely brilliant because you don't get to see it enough because he's always sitting in that chair but there's a lovely vulnerable moment so Michael is Michael Scott is the epitome of Arthur like he is just awful but there is one moment which really shows you who the true Michael Scott is is when he doesn't know the cameras are on him and it's the trick or treat is come to the door and he's just super sweet and super kind and that's Michael Scott. Yeah, I don't think Michael Scott has a bad born in him he just doesn't get social cues he's basically Chris he's like Chris Chris doesn't get social cues doesn't get how to act around people says the most inappropriate things but you do love him. But he's fierce man.
I know what to take talk about the characters but I'm interested in all who like well first of all who your favorite characters are so I know Chris has been a bit quiet so go Chris. First of all the most relatable character in the whole series is my favorite Stanley right he's just there he's just clap watching the whole time he's got a I've got a note this is just on Stanley. Yeah I can say nothing else. Yeah, he pulls a prank with him to get reball.
The way he tells off Ryan for him for stepping around his daughter. Have you lost your mind. One of them is where he's got a dream where he wants to live in a lighthouse when he knows he lives there. He flies in space.
I don't know if that's a comparable whatever sort it's from. I just think he's the most anti-snide back. For that one. My favorite part of him is doing that away on the retreat and doing the sumo thing and he absolutely takes out Jim and he's just like sometimes you gotta take the points from the whites.
I'm scared of standing in my life. But the way he switches from like a con man with the mustache he's definitely got a mustache. Yeah, from just con man and he switches to shouting at someone or he's supposed to burst of energy or he's committed movements. I'd say he's the most relatable best character and we eat progressives when you say him on an invocation board.
Jim has the muscle car in that and he's just like live fast and leave a pretty corpse and stuff like that. We guess he's dreaming the end doesn't he because he goes and lives remotely and then he's probably chill when he comes back to the reunion and that's like he's a completely different Stanley because work is a good thing. Yeah, what about you Lee? It's so difficult to choose.
So, I mean Dwight, I loved Dwight and you get so much of Dwight and he would be favorite character if creed didn't exist. But we don't get enough of creed. You just get small snippets every now and then of just the craziest shit. Like that bit where he comes in and Halloween and he's covered in blood and everyone's like oh nice costume.
He's like costume. Oh, what a coincidence. So he walks up to the kids and the kids toys that they've got that they've been collecting and he just picks one up and Jim's like, you meant to be putting them down and he goes in the merry Christmas. Dwight's like telling the creed like asking Jim's a vampire.
Have you got any stakes or anything? Just pulls the jaw open and it's just full of weapons. I think the one under cream just takes the kind of catalog of everything so he can sell it. And he manages the print, you know, where they have the dodgy print on the paper and creed manages to backtrack the person who was off the day.
I think that where creed shines is he gets his little moments but when we first get into juice term as well is when he's going to get sacked and he manages to talk Michael round and not get fired. I think the boss. Some of the moments in there they were created. It's fantastic.
When he gets me to manage it because he's the most senior person there and he's just bringing up people slagging the boss in the corner. And you use this. It's the pinball body, body, body. The creed creed, Brad and his creed, that's what his name is and creed, the singer and his song when they're doing karaoke in the office, what he sings is actually one of his songs.
And that's the kind of thing to be put kind of style singer and he wasn't. Yeah, but he wasn't meant to be in the series at all. He was just a background character. I don't know if he's ever noticed in the first episode.
Yeah. Yeah. And he was just a little bit different people sitting around that you don't ever get to see again creed was meant to be one of those people until they did a sit down with him in the interview room and they were just like, Oh, guys, no, we can't get rid of him. We have to stay.
I think it was Torby because he's one of the main writers. A little part for him. And a little speech. I think it was to get him paid.
Right. Don't get paid very often if they don't have lines. It was something like that. It was something like to be kind of kind to him.
And he loved him. He was absolutely perfect. Creed's a brilliant character and his ending is just, oh, it just matches creed completely. I probably got more on the last episode of Creed because when they're talking about the Olympics and he's going, I still got my medal and they're kind of make a joke about it.
But you don't even have a rap. So yeah, but I still got my medal. It's just like that kind of moment there. It was like, oh, he actually does because he never really was part of anything or part of them.
What was going on. He was always like, I go in the perfect, I'm sure, or cause him as much me as possible. Yeah. I'm sorry for.
Sorry for. What was it? The picnic of the sword. Where he's where they're also doing the hard dog eating competition and he's just big like, and he calls out with the fish and he's like, oh, I didn't know.
What about you, Sammy? What character you've got to go with? I loved why do I is probably one of my favorite guys and it's probably an obvious choice because of how amazing rain Wilson is throughout all of this. But I absolutely also adore Angela Kingsley and Angela is such an underrated character.
She's a bitch. She's absolutely horrible, but she still delivers some of the greatest one line is I really took like an current white word made for each other. Yes. Like from the moment they got to start hooking up, that was just like, it made sense.
I think that's why this sure works so well. All the relationships that were in it didn't feel forced. There was nothing that didn't feel organic or kind of like, even like the friendships to me and how, because I talked about like friendships like Angela and Oscar. She's like, militant Christian white one in America.
He's from the Bible built up here to do with like, say, queer culture and anything like that. And he's like, as I said, Latino is coming out and actually how they dealt with his coming out was absolutely done as well. So, so funnily and just interesting, but they're like friendship towards the end. It felt natural and it was so nice to see.
Especially when he has an affair with a husband. Yeah. And she still manages to like get past that. And it's like his friendship was more important than the husband.
Yeah. That's how it felt when I come to them too and what happened because when they started living together, when he was like, because she became homeless. And he's like, when he packs our open, just takes that. And he's like, when you come with me and I'm all in my eyes out.
I love their relationship. I come, I actually love all the accountants themselves. Like the little look, they did actually have their own little web series. See, the little web series and they had their own little web series and to accommodate like to accompany the office called the accountants.
It's true story. When you're saying like the dealt with Oscar's coming out really well. In what way did you mean because it seems very before the Catholic. We're not going to get on.
But that's Michael's. Michael saw a Bolivia's like all he thinks about is what's trendy. What's funny. Like what are the kids?
What's down with the kids? He doesn't really doesn't realize how wrong he actually is. Yeah, Tansale is questioned or the way the handle or the didn't like sugar court or like trying to be played nicely nicely. They were like made jokes and not light of it but short how probably a lot of people were treated when coming out.
So that's why I meant they did well. They made it quite in a funny way realistic at the same time. Yeah. And the episode does lead to one of me like my favorite moment in all of the office, which is when it's like, Oh, what about Angela?
Do you think she could be gay? I can imagine her with a woman in twice. Just like look. I'm just watching that episode.
But this my favorite character is like Sammy. I love Dwight. I think Dwight has the best journey through this movie. And the answer would have been one person, but I think that did follow up this character for a lot of like the latest series and the God right at the very end.
But Kevin's journey was great at the start to the medium to stupid to the point where it was ridiculous and a kind of spoiler character a little bit more. The total old mipper phone, but then when he finished it and had him in the bar that just fit his character perfectly. But that kind of messed up with him. But the two, like the other two I would like to answer me favorite character is Daryl.
I love Daryl. I'm thinking he is, he is a me as I might be because I love the Brooklyn nine, nine as well with the property funded, but his performance as Daryl is just so great when he's going from like a little bit quite there in the background to moving upstairs and because the realized what they had with Daryl and how good he was. Yeah. One of the only people that I feel deserves to get where he was at the end.
Like he worked hard all the way through. Yeah, he was doing his job in the warehouse, even though Michael's coming down and fucking it up from all the time. Yeah. And then he works hard to try and put the effort into this sports company thing that Jim's like starting up and he deserves everything he gets.
He does. And he realizes because when he goes for the interview with managers position that he just he was going to have it handed to him when he goes to work for Jim, but the sports saying he's not going to have things handed to him and that's kind of that's progression. And Daryl was all Craig Robinson was always Daryl to us in this house until Brooklyn nine nine came in unfortunately he's always been a forever being known as Doug Judy. And I do love Craig Robinson in this he has just he has some of the greatest of some of my favorite episodes and with the idea so when Michael when Steve Carell left, they were kind of lost as to what to do who to put in my girls place.
And before they went with the Andy choice. They were going to do Daryl, but what they were going to do is because the long standing and not conspiracy but theory that the fans have is that there are only reason Vonda Mifflin succeeded for is because of the production company. Right. They were the ones buying the paper.
Yeah. That was one of the fan theories was they were the ones buying the paper and that's why they stayed in business as long as they did because realistically they shouldn't have stayed in business as long as they did. So yeah, and what we're going to do is put Daryl in charge, but have everything working as it should be. Yeah, that would be exactly what I'm in charge.
It wouldn't be the funny because everything would work as normal. No, we're going to have no chaos, no nothing. It was just going to kind of pan out that way to where it would then end it. But it just it doesn't when you say it out loud it doesn't sit right.
No, it just sounds too boring. So putting Andy in that position and making him the new Michael Scott, which is essentially what they try to do. Really when the broad Jim speeder in and he was like Michael replacement. So Robert California is one of the greatest standings.
I'm sorry. That man is the fucking lizard king. He is hilarious. No, I like I really do love California.
His name though. We don't know. We don't know the most confident man on the planet. Manages to talk and we're out is way out of a company.
Talk is way into a company than to talk is way out of it. Leave them better than what he was when he initially walked in. That's genius. So here's the next question I had planned for this one as well.
Which character do you see yourself most in. Well, I guess actually. Do you want to take it down that road Chris? You do that.
But yeah, which which of the characters do you see the characters change stuff? Do you see your personally at the most in. I'll start with it makes it because I know it's going to sound like quite put me on us would probably Jim. I do me sell say Jim just because probably how I am at work and stuff when I worked out like certain companies.
I was the one that was pulling pranks like we had ones where I would sell it to you. Well, not to sell it to you. People's work desks and boxes together. So all the equipment before the start worked out.
I actually use a blade to cut into this stuff. Like so I could see myself doing stuff to Dwight's that Jim was doing. Yeah. Yeah.
Um, do you have any of your options on time that as much as Jim is meant to be lovable and he is and to which I'm really pushing here. Just to come across a bit of an irritating with you, especially when he's being a dick to the people. Yeah. That's why I see myself.
It's when he tries to move Ryan out of his chair. Like I'm sorry, you left. Who are you to tell Ryan to move out of his chair? Oh, Ryan.
Yeah. But Ryan initially, yes, Ryan when he becomes boss. Now that was a shock for me when I first watched this for Ryan to become boss. But then Ryan gets these comments all the time.
He always gets these arse handed to him. It's it's a good character. It's a really hard question as well. I'm trying to like the trying like this.
I'm not going to let you get past this one. I'll go to Chris. Who do you see yourself as Chris? The Stratton Strangler, Torby.
I don't know. I'm a completely different person when I'm at work. So again, I'm picking my favourite character, Stanley. He's diabetic too.
He's just there. He wouldn't notice if he put a cobble box over his screen. Nobody can remember. I've got my stache or not.
Love me balls. Go go to Stanley. I'm maddled here. Imagine if we had pretzel day.
What about you Lee? I mean, you've seen me outside at work pulling pranks and doing stupid stuff anyway in Wynton people up. I used to be like this in work. I can't do it now because I work by myself at home.
You should be dating yourself. But I glued to my manager's stuff to my desk once when I worked at William Hill. It's just Daffd little pranks. Definitely Jim.
If we're fair into people at work, then I am definitely a palm. Or even an Angela. I am very much to the... I work.
I don't piss around. I'm there for ten hours of day. I can't be asked to piss around. I just want to get the time over with.
So you're not the one that gets drunk and starts flashing out of hoops. I'm not married. I'm definitely married. I might have read it, but I'm definitely not.
I'm not married. I'm not married. I'm definitely not married. I might have read it, but I'm definitely not married.
I'd say a lazy marriage. I'd leave it and I'd flash it on a fine sheet. Yeah. It's casual day.
Even I was bald, so I cut it all over the place. I had brain. Yeah. Sorry, you've just reminded me of another episode where Phyllis gets flushed.
In Korea it's like, wait, what's problem? I say it's when Lowe's. We try it. You've got Michael's coming in.
I'm showing everyone off into him. He's like, no Michael. You can't do this. It's when Michael realizes he's taking it too far.
And then he's like, oh shit, yeah, maybe I should stop. Because he like laughs. Like him and Phyllis, I love the relationship between him and Phyllis. Because he's, they went to school together.
And it's such a great development that you find out as a kind of goes along. It's not something that you initially know. And the actress who plays Phyllis was the custom director. Right.
So she was the lady who was casting everyone and sitting down and reading lines with everyone. And when they heard her deliver in Phyllis, they were like, oh shit. She was an ex-pilless dancer. That's why she did, well you've got to say, no dancing when she's in the show.
I was just like, say, certain things were Phyllis, like, oh, when episode, that's one of the episodes I can't watch Phyllis. It's like, it's too, too cringy. Like, Michael, in that episode, it's just like, I would have punched the fuck out of him. Like, happily.
Can I just see the people watching? Just rewind that like 20 seconds watch Chris's face when he finds out Phyllis used to be the bi-lifter. He's like, oh, I'm gonna have to Google that after this episode. Oh, I thought he was gonna be doing it now.
I thought I was gonna face because he knew that. And I love that one. Both of the bands from Vans for refrigerations looks like he is going to absolutely punch the shit out. Do you know why you say that for all the time?
Yes. I don't know if I'm gonna face the fans from Vans for refrigerations. It's because he doesn't tell me. And he's advertising himself all the time.
I'm supposed to think, also, what do you do, Vans? It's not a riot. I'm sorry. So which characters do you think the master on?
I know I've mentioned Kevin, the kind of fluff of- I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I really like Kevin. I love Kevin.
He's one of Anne's favourite characters. He's a very underrated character. And the yes, they do make it, but it's the, it's how endearing Kevin is and how the actor actually pulls it off that makes it work. It's not a full Joey from friends moment where he's just gone from like, you know, normal to completely and utterly stupid.
Kevin has these moments where he knows, he knows when to not be daft and he knows when to reel it back. But one of the best Kevin moments is the chilli out moment. I liked it. I liked it when he was first introduced to Holly when she thinks he's slow.
She's like, oh, you drive your own car and he's like, yeah, I drive my own car. Do you think you're one in Eminem? I keep them in here so nobody takes them. That's a safe space for them, Kevin.
But then when he's in the CM episode, he goes to the supermarket and he bumps into Michael's ex, who's nearly completely thrown me off at this joint. Jan, that's it. And he tells Michael that he needs to come down because he thinks he needs to, you know, Jan's pregnant. So he's not all as daft as what he makes out to be.
He just knows how to act up to it. And I think that's just genius on his part and makes him more endearing. I didn't see that as genius. I saw that as ever going, you need to see this.
I want to see your face when you see this. I love Mallory Wazafice who plays Jan, especially when she gets the twins. They are absolutely brilliant. I can't call it ostrich.
It's when she's with ostrich and she's singing. As such, so she sings the baby shower. She sings the baby shower. It's when she's with ostrich and how she goes, how was school.
What did you learn? But again, she went from a quite a normal, straight list character to absolutely to ridiculous levels, but I don't know if Michael drove her that level. The sandals. It's the song.
One of the episodes I don't particularly like watching and I do tend to skip over it is the end in a part you want. But yeah, it's the moment where you hear your hunters song. That's the only bit I find funny is the Oh, Jen. Do you like it when Michael showed off his flat screen TV or the wall?
I'm saying the bloopers for that. Yes, that's my idea. Because Jim just cannot breathe. I used to listen to the ladies, the ladies podcast, Pam and Angela's podcast and I just dropped off halfway through it because I think they took a break and I just never went back.
But you remember when Michael did the $6 million man across the floor that is recalled that in two sections because what's that face pal I can't think of any Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, what's that face and she couldn't she couldn't stop laughing. So there's moments where flashes back to where that's just a completely separate shot because she couldn't do him walking across the floor. It was a $6 million man. The thing is, well, Michael Scott, he has so many moments that shouldn't work as well as a book.
But I think it's just the way he delivers it as well as an innocence to him where you can't think or anything bad. Like when he meets the rear of his on the lift. You can't quite re-enact that's because to do the whole thing. Yeah, that was a moment that mind then to come in face to face with each other because you do see my you do see Brent's interview.
I don't know if you call it audition or what to be the manager where are you video or video type thing because some of the people that get to interview for the manager. Oh my God. Yeah. It's the very.
I'm going to go. Yeah. And rear of my nose in there. These sandwiches.
I was convinced that he was told that these people were horrible. Yeah. Michael is, um, there's some moments where he is he's just awful, but then he pulls it back again. And one of my favorite episodes is the Phyllis being Santa Claus episode and he's an utter child throughout all that to the point where he even dresses up as Jesus to try and out do when Kevin sit money is named.
And he's one for one for Christmas little boy. That episode did remind us a lot of Lee. I think Lee would do that if he was wanted to play a Santa Claus and someone else was it. Lee would be a species beef the one kicking off making a big show of himself.
Your taller enough to be so. He's not. But he did it to Daryl as well and another Christmas episode where Daryl wanted to be Santa Claus and he didn't like that either. Michael is an absolute brat.
And it shows it in the wedding where he has a clip of him as a kid and he's mum's wedding and he gets up stage by a dog and he goes off crying. I've been talking about videos like Michael Scott as a kid that video when he's getting talked to by the. Jesus Christ. You don't know what to say.
Should I be laughing? Should I be crying? I need to sit there so proud of it. He's like, look, I was on the shore.
Rest in the same suit. He's probably wearing now with an adult. And all the kids are going, well, did you get married? Did you have kids?
No, that didn't happen. And this is why I love when Holly comes in. Yes. Holly is his soulmate.
The minute they speak the order to reach other on the first episode, you knew that was his kin. That was his soulmate. The proposal when he does Yoda again. And it's like, oh, it's such a moment.
I love them too. And I love the fact that on the very last episode, you get here all about his life for Holly, but he just got down word because it's not about him. Michael learned lessons. The Holly situation was a funny one for me because I loved Holly about it.
Bring it in. But it made us hate one of the characters I thought was quite likable throughout David Wallace because David Wallace is such a nice likable character all the way through this show. And he does something like just a kind of like nasty thing that is so out of character for him. When he realizes like Michael and Holly are together, he sends it back to Nashville, isn't it?
Is it Nashville? Yeah. Because all the way through this, David Wallace is just like, I know it sounds weird, but he's a good boss. He makes all the right decisions.
He doesn't know. It doesn't like how many times have you like through watching this for the first time? Did you just go, why aren't you firing Michael? How are you letting him keep his shots?
He was always on the side of Michael and I never understood why, but I'm guessing because he asks him to come in, doesn't he and says like, what do you do you do when everyone else is failing? How are you still performing? And I think that's the only reason he just sees numbers and he tolerates so much with Michael. But I do like Michael.
Do they not survive because, was it Meredith? I'm slack with them. This apply off what you might be a surprise. Sticks.
Sticks. Take me out. I want to be one of the best. I could want to stick and then even Holly's I'm not making sense.
This is really against like the court and I'm like, nope, I had a mean, you can't do anything. You can't do anything. We're going to tell corporate again. We don't see anything wrong here.
Nope. We're making money. Bye. Yeah, it's just money.
Pound signs with them. And while this does have a bit of a journey in this as well, it's a little bit of suck a thing. Yeah, so that gets it bought off by the military and that's how he kind of lands on his feet at the end. And becomes the boss again.
Yes. And he says you can get back for you to achieve a thing. Again, I know Sammy doesn't like Andy. I feel sorry for Andy because I think the performances and what he could do, but this didn't know what they wanted to do with him.
They lost the lost Ed Helms quite a bit. Ed Helms had a days contract that he would be leaving for the hangover movies and it wouldn't matter when it would happen. He would just be going for them. So they kind of stumbled so much on his character when they got it right is the time he was there the longest.
And that's lead and I know a lot of people don't like the errand like relationship, but it's leading around that time. That's when Andy is perfect. And then he gets it's when he becomes manager and the nard dog. And there is moments of them, like, especially with Daryl, where he's like, when Daryl's having his doubts and he's like, he picks them up.
That's the Andy we remember, but the last season Andy is horrible. That is just, it's not him. They're completely and utterly ruined. The best Andy is when he's in Oscar's wingman in Canada.
Yeah, when he was Angela, actually, like Angela, that's that's a good Andy. And when he comes back, Andy to start with, he's not a very like, you don't really look at him as a high ranked employer in this. No, he's thinking he goes brilliant. Oh, but there's a Jello coming out.
He's been Dwight going up against each other. Now that was good move. Anybody down in the car? That was hilarious.
But the Tesla because it's silent. That was just brilliant. And but yeah, it was like a counter for Dwight because Dwight didn't really have any, what, Jim Anoiden and pranked him, but he never had anyone to physically go up against. And when he comes, when Dwight comes in with the Cornell, and the administration interview, and then he comes in with the beats and eats one and it's just like, Yeah, that was a good, that was a good power match them to and they probably could have kept that going for ages and nobody would get involved with it.
No, I don't necessarily think it was like a boring thing with Andy. It was kind of like, I just said, they got a certain point. Like, where do we move them with? And they just made them, I just said, trying to be like a, like an Andy, Michael Scott light, but again, I think Molly said they're like going off in the boat.
I know it's always going off to do the movies, but having go back to anger management would have been funnier. And I felt sorry for Aaron because she got kind of bounced around like, she had his initial relationship then moved on to one of the most weird relationships like gear that didn't make any sense at all. And quickly, talk about a character that did not know what to do with the one that's going to be the guy from Silicon Valley. And skinny guy Jim.
No, no, that's Pete. That's Pete. That was towards the end. He was like, he was singing Cathy Burke.
Cathy Burke. I think I'm just wondering if I got over there. But he was like, he was singing Cathy Burke. It's not Cathy Burke.
It's not Cathy Burke. It's not Cathy Burke. It's a character. Yeah.
He was kind of. He's brilliant in Silicon Valley. He's a fantastic actor, but he's character in Silicon Valley is still my favorite. But he just had too many things going on with them.
He's movies. He's horror. He was a horror fanatic. Yeah.
Thanks. Well, you said never the monsters tee shut up. You were in Google. Yeah.
Yeah, that's why I was a weird choice to bring him in. But you just mentioned somebody who is absolutely phenomenal, and this is Cathy Bits. As dogs. The fact that she brings two different dogs in every time she comes in, don't ride by dogs.
Everyone seems to think they can ride them. Why don't we fully ask Cathy Bits. She wasn't in much, but it was the one where Dwight fires the gun. and Dwight's trying to force himself back in a way.
And he's texting his resume, like word by word, just because he cost me 35 cents a message. Or it's when he comes in as the burn victim. I mean, there's more man. Yeah, it's when he initially shoots it off and it's in Andy's direction and skims past these years.
And as he, as Daryl goes to take him to the hospital to get checked out, he leans on him and starts limping. And he's like, I thought it was, you're in his like, oh yeah. Oh, that's such a good episode. The fact that St.
Patrick's Day one is a little bit of a joy episode. Joy when she initially comes in, she sits down and asks everyone, you know, what do you bring to the table? And that's when Daryl gets his promotion. Yes.
That was the thing with Daryl. As he said, he has so many good ideas and so many interesting little things. And I love it when he gets frustrated with certain things as well. When he initially, I don't know, it's Andy isn't it?
That he starts giving ideas to. And he's, you know, it goes over his head. I can't get any word. No, it's Michael.
It's Michael. It's the Halloween episode where he gives an idea. Corbert end up going with the idea. But Michael doesn't know that Daryl's gone to tell them about it and gone over.
He's had the just thinks that Daryl's getting all credit for it. That is such a good episode. That is the Macroover. Yeah, that is probably one of my favorite episodes.
Because it's when they're too soft fighting with each other. And he comes in from down Darryl from the warehouse. Talking about favorite episodes. Is there any episodes that you can't watch for specific reasons?
Yeah. What do you guys want to talk about? I'm just going to say it. I can watch it now.
But initially on first watching, I had to turn it off. It was my tours were curling with how great and I love cringe comedy. It's my favorite style of comedy. And even this was too much for me was the first taut.
And just the idea that Michael could do. I love that episode. I love that Stanley kept the newspaper. I couldn't vote 10 years as well.
And he's laughing his ass off. Yes. It's been 10 years already. On initial watching, I was like, I was like, tours curled round.
I was like, this is horrible. Like, given them kids the dream of like, I'll pay for your college to it. Because he really thought in his arrogance, he was going to be a millionaire. I'm multi millionaire.
So there's two ways you can look at that. It was like, he was going to be a millionaire. Or he didn't have any faith in him. That is a good.
Yeah. And so what is he was that good of a guy that he just wanted to do something nice? Yeah. It probably wasn't a way.
Like, Michael's like, he's such a two sided coin because there's the selfish side of Michael. But then there's also the kind of like really thoughtful side that Michael does have some lovely genuine moments. They're just very hard to find sometimes. If you look at everything that Michael does, like sometimes he comes across as the buffoon idiots, but he does have such shine and not just like shining moments, like strong moments, like that when they're all worried about the company going into liquidation.
So he brings that game in murder and Jim is getting so flustered. He's like, let's, let's prove that all worth it. Like Michael's got an alternate to anything. And like he loses it with Jim.
That's the first time he sees Michael lose it with Jim because he treats Jim like almost like a so good son. And he realized he knows exactly what he's doing. He's not just a bumbling idiot. And the time when he takes that big corporate sky to chillies instead of like the posh area.
And that's where Jan sees his worst and stuff. And how he negotiates the Michael Scott Peter company to get everyone's jobs. That was just, I did not say that coming. That is Michael though, isn't it?
Because the always Michael's Michael's, Michael is the reason Michael is where he's at is because he's a fucking brilliant salesman. And it's, he does it in the, um, sort of just walked away from him a week before we came on was whether at the retreat that never treated like a convention kind of thing when Jim's moved away. And he literally just comes in and he's like, the only, like the biggest thing of them all weekend. Michael just walks in and does that.
You forget that Michael is really fucking good at his job because of all of the other daft shit that goes around with it with that at the sword. And that was on me list as one of me favorites. Um, yeah, maybe it's just going to. Overdrive.
It overdrive. There's too much going on. That's fine. So like when you talk about absolute brilliant episodes of brilliant moments in the show, I know we're not going to look down the lovely road as of yet.
But when Dwight gets salesmen of the year, and he's got to give a big speech and Jim kind of programs and almost given like all these fascists and like dictators through the past on how they've delivered their speeches. And seeing Dwight in front of a corporate company, obviously, or not. Honestly, I was crazy. Then Michael getting all Jesse and jealous and saying, well, I've just had the team of the person that entertained a thousand people for by myself.
So, so who's the true hero there? I thought, I can't even give me to do that. You cannot give him the credit. And what was I going to say?
Honestly, my brain's like going in overdrive trying to remember. There's loads of stuff again. Again, I know in the last season, we start getting more of certain aspects. Like, I love, I know if there was talk after this finish that we're going to do, like the wanted to do, like the farm with Dwight and Angela.
Or the one Angela, that's what's one of the stun of blood. But I loved Dwight's outside of the office stories and stuff. Like when you met Dwight's family, it was so interesting. Like Mo's what a guy, but when his brother and sister went to go like that funeral and the shoot, he's after shoot the dead body.
Amazing. Yeah. Like, who is it? Leaves?
Someone's just like, no, no, Oscar. Yeah. See what's on the front black, some people's face in. And if you're for a red suit, you would come and ask him to make a snide comment.
So he's just like, right? So he invites Oscar, like just to piss him off. The last season's always very hazy, but it's because I only ever get to season seven and I turned back around again and go back to episode one. And it's not for the reason that I just now ideas because I've seen it so many times, I can just like pick and choose like what it is I want to watch.
So I never do a full run anymore. And so the likelihood is by the time it gets to Michael, leaving, I'm turning back around. But I know Mo's is a creator of the office. Yeah.
And the creator of Parks and Rec. And he's a big deal. Yeah. He's a big deal.
And yeah, and I can imagine why the wouldn't want Angela as part of a spin off because Angela was once married to Toby's brother and who is another big deal of the show. And they got divorced halfway through this. There's a lot of separate relationships actually. I was a big and I was.
Yeah. Oh, he's fucking beautiful. Jenna Jenna. What's Jenna surname man?
No, what's already? Fisher. She was married to James. And then the, you know, the nurse who comes in to help out of breastfeed.
That's her husband. Right. And Jim, we all know what John Kuzinski is now happily married to Emily Blunt living like the best life ever, but he was in a relationship with, um, what's on him from Parkton. You wish.
She's in the third series. Come on help us out. What's on it? I never watched it.
Is it Leslie from parks and rec or Leslie noops the blonde one Leslie no is. Um, yeah, it's the nurse meat. It's Anne. Yeah.
And what's that really? I don't know. I never watched this short. She's in the office too.
She's in the office. Rashida Jones. Rashida Jones. Oh my gosh.
Quincy Jones is daughter. Yeah, Karen's currently in this season. Yes. And so when the first time I was in Skinhoe we were in a relationship when when they first started shooting together.
And it went on until he eventually met Emily Blunt, so he did a real life, Jim on. But it's quite nice. We already talked about the relationship because like the main relationship throughout the run, like that runs through the courses. Is the Pam and Jim.
It's almost like the Ross and Rae, actually, it's the original Tim and Dawn from the original office. And it doesn't take a fucking Christmas special for them to finally get together. quite a natural thing. It did take three seasons but it got there and it was built up lovely.
It was, I think, I was just saying I think that the best in the relationship I loved following the most was still Michael and Holly. I think that was better than Jim and Pam. Controversial now Chris. No one I see where Chris is coming from is because Jim and Pam you knew they were meant to be together whereas Michael you were always like look at the relationships he has and he's the woman who we bought the condo of who's actually his real life wife and then you've got Jan and you just think he's always going to go back to Jan.
Like there was always going to be something to talk about to Jan and then when Holly comes in it's such a breath of fresh air to finally find the female version of Michael Scott. And that's essentially what she was. You did say the best form of Michael when they were together as well. Yeah, that's why Michael came out.
There's a few relationships in between that are just some of the worst parts of this show. Like when he's in the Indonesian blast and then she's like, I need to go home and do my homework and she's like 15 or something. It's like, oh no. It's when Jim's going, she could have been the one in Jim.
But she's not there for the entirety of this relationship. Like how Jim just plays along with it. I forgot about Pam's and Bam and the slap. The second vision of her mom.
Oh yes, because they did want to bring her back, which she was doing something else. So they had to go with another actress. But I think that this one works well for Michael. I don't think you could have done that with the original mom.
It's a little bit. No, it's close the turn nor when it comes to like Michael realizes that she's going to be a grandmother and realize how old she is. It's like, oh shit, it's like, oh no. Because you're like, oh you could just wait until the next day.
Just like let her have a birthday. But no, he's so impulsively has to do it right there and then it makes such a drama out of it. But that punch is just, oh it's the best. Watch him, Pam, finally get it.
It was great. Can you see Michael? I liked it when Michael got slapped in Davos. He did.
So you want to walk up the races by the way, you don't have the race? What would he stand to? Well Chris, I'm going to go there. Let's not call that.
Let's try not going to you, I'm trying not to cancel. Okay, thank you, fellas. He's won a slot on a Tuesday, don't you know? We are.
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What? What? What? What?
What? Well, yeah, I did get quite annoyed when the showrunners all decided that we were going to try and put some discount. Like, almost like we tried to break up. Yeah.
Ham and Jim, it didn't feel natural. It didn't feel right. Like, I got really angry when I started involving the sound guy as well. I was like, no.
Because they're talking out with the series. As you said, it played out like a series, not a documentary. I didn't watch the original UK office. So I can't speak for that.
But I watch this as a series, not a fly in the world documentary. But that's how good it is and that it gets you to that point in the first few episodes. You don't even think of it as flying the wall, whereas the UK one, you never leave that. No.
You know, and that's probably because of how it's shot. Like, it's not shot great. This one's like kind of perfect, isn't it? And that's the only time it is short that it felt forced as well.
Yeah, totally great. I am a bit controversial. Don't particularly like the Aaron, Aaron dropped the end. No.
It did not like that at all. Even if it was John Kuzak, like, love the woman. But that was just, it felt, we didn't need a no. I think it was trying to tie all the loose ends that they felt like we needed to know.
But it was kind of like, that could have been a full season or a full few episodes. Yeah. Just kind of put it in. She's always been proud of the fact that she was in foster care.
Like, and yeah, that had a moment where they thought, honestly, if they played the root of Philis being a mum. Yeah. And like, that would have been more interesting. But then to have like a mum and dad appear at the end, it's like, so, it's happy moment.
It's like, oh, nah. Next. But don't get me wrong, I do like the end. And I do get very emotional with Dwight, Fire and Jim.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. It was a moment because that was, their relationship is probably one of the greatest out of the whole series.
Like, you can see a palmond German, and everybody, but it's them two and where they get to at the very end. Like, he becomes his best smit. And like, he's best mate. Is it a best smit?
Best smit. Best smit. Best smit. Best smit.
Best smit smit. That's it. And he's, and the fact that he can't even, Jim knows he can't replace the man that he knows it should be there. And he gets them to come at the end.
And says that that's what she said. But I love the fact that they didn't give Michael any lines in that sort. Didn't you refuse to with a writer strike or something? No, he did have a line because he was sitting there.
He said that's what he says. No, he looks behind him and says, it's weird seeing people like watching your kids get married or something like that. That's what that's what they're doing. Yeah.