So we're live. We're live. Hi everyone and welcome to the Nodioh Nod podcast. It's a nerdy podcast and it's supposed to buy and all the nerds.
I am one of your hosts, Sam. And I am the other host Paul and welcome to Not a 12 hour stream. We have to come from that quick. I know I can't mean that I haven't been in this room all week and I can't even, I was like, it's exactly how I left it, that's Sunday.
It's so nice. It's looking. Oh gosh, hi everyone. Yes, how are you going in the chat?
I hope you're so well. Hope everyone's having a nice time. We are coming off what has been, how shall we put it out? It's not been a tiring week.
It has been busy. It's been very busy. It's been very emotional. Yes.
Emotional is probably the best way to describe the whole thing. It's been an emotional week and I'm still feeling it. I'm still feeling it. I'm still feeling it.
Still feeling the bones, yes. But yeah, just want to like a shout out before we start as well. Just a big thank you to Heritage Alctions, the Taffeta, to Nicki, to everyone who was involved with the event and ask us to be like a part of it as well. So I hope you're enjoying the videos we're putting out there for us.
We're going to tell a few stories about that a little bit later as well. Oh yeah, you can't keep my mouth shut on that event now. We're all done with it. But no, thank you so much to Heritage for looking after us while we were there and the welcome that we got wasn't expecting it.
People knew who we were. That was the most surrealist thing ever. And the fact that someone actually knew who I was and it wasn't like where's Paul? Yeah, that was the interesting thing as well.
We walked up and we were expecting like say, oh, like are you guys and stuff like that? And it's like, oh, it's the nearly up north guys. It's like we don't even know what's up north and down south. They're probably not us.
But yes, big thank you to that. But today is going to be a very Aus-themed episode because we've been on our own journey to Aus. We've seen there's been a new big release in the last week or so. Yes, and we're talking about the grand old wisdom of Aus.
So all these different aspects will be discussed in tonight's episode. It's finally happened. It's taken three years. And it's not a case of he's beaten me down to do this.
I requested to do this. Yes. I'm the one who said we need to do an episode of the Wizard of Aus, especially off the back of what we've just done. I have been completely taken over by the audience.
It's crazy. I never expected it to happen. But I'm so pleased that it has. I'm going to do the disclaimer and then we're going to get into this wild production of the Wizard of Aus.
Because I've done my homework for this one. Sure. Everything to something today's episode is our opinions and our opinions along. What if you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode?
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Because we can all agree to disagree in fandom. So let's give it a kind and keep the toxic behavior. Oh, no, it isn't. Thank you.
Yes. And so I know we were talking before. Give us a tagline for the LOLs. So what you've got to take into account is that these taglines are from the 30s.
Okay. I'm going to read this one again. I've already done it once tonight, but I'm going to have to do it again. Emease insights to see the tornado.
Munchkinland. Also the different color. Starbling balloon ascent. Flying monkeys.
Yes. Freeza, talkin', throw animals. Animals are apples. Apples.
Apples. We'll be funny if you're animals. Apples. Thank you.
Emease. Yeah. Let's go over the rainbow with Judy Garland in her greatest hits. That was from 1955.
Emease. Another one from 1955. Great on the widescreen. On the widescreen.
On the big screen guys. Comment says. That's a big one. Emease.
The UK. The UK has the best tagline. Right. We're off to see the wizard.
The wonderful wizard of ours. Well, the okay. Because because because because the wonderful wizard of ours. The newspaper ad from 1939.
Songs will be sung and danced to. Right. Songs will be sung and danced to. Oh, well.
Dance to? Yeah. This is from 1939. This is another news.
This is a newspaper ad. The booger that 80 million read. The player that 941 city saw. Now the greatest technical at short world miracle since it's snow white.
Right. That's interesting. Like you said, Snow White. Because you said an interesting fact before we went live.
I did. I did. If you don't have Snow White. You don't have the wizard of ours.
No. When Snow White came out. Studios were like, oh, shit. We can actually do movies based off children's books.
Yes. Well, I never. And the wizard of ours came to. Now I'm going to get these names right.
And I'm going to see them once and then I'm going to call them by the name that you were all going to know them from. Which is Metro Goldwind Mia. Which is MGM. Yes.
And they bought the rights for Frank. Bruce, Holmes. Am I saying that right? L Frank Holmes.
Yeah, that works. Yeah. They bought it from Samuel Goldwind. It was the Goldwind.
It was the G and MGM. Then three old, well, the two of them kind of like went in on it. And they had the rights to the wonderful wizard of ours. Right.
I'm trying to get him started in 1938. And that's when the magic started. So before we start getting into chaos, let's take it back a little bit for the week that we've had. And why are we doing this episode as a whole?
So me and Sammy went on a little bit of a journey. We went down the yellow brick road. I would say it wasn't the yellow brick road. It was the new castle to London Kings Cross trade.
It was a metal steel road. Great train ride door. Not the line. Not really easy.
Yeah. Everything. I don't know what sounds weird saying this. Everything in the journey went well.
We literally weren't leered for anything. We didn't miss any trains. Any transports. Everything kind of went to plan.
I'm almost like an 18. I know a little bit when a plan comes together. It's almost like we stood in the middle of Leicester Square and went, are we just figure out? We were okay, aren't we?
Like fine. Like this is everything seems to be falling into place. We're good. We're not getting ourselves into too much trouble yet.
No. Honestly, it was the easiest. It was easiest traveling down there. Even getting into London was even more easier.
Walking around the place was absolutely fine. Apart from when I shouted to Paul for apologizing to somebody. I was too northern. People walked in.
He was, yeah. She had her phone locked up to her face and wasn't paying attention. She shouldered him and he apologized and I just shouted, No, no, you don't want to apologize. So Sammy's trying to fight Southern as that.
That was the crackdown South. Hey, Linda loved me. And that's because I know we're going to talk about the adventure, but you can watch the vlog. That'll be out tomorrow.
Cheap look. But Sammy's fierce. Like she was an epiphany of calm all the way through this adventure until one moment. And this one moment I've never seen Sammy.
It was a mixture of pure joy, pure shit myself. And well and truly seeing someone's ass drop out and hit the floor. Yeah. Busy.
We walked past the Heritage Building because we got a nice fancy office in the posh area of London. Like we were very fancy. And we saw what was inside. Because we like we generally didn't weren't told what was going to be there other than the Ruby snow.
We speculated it. Yeah. We thought this could be because this is part of the lot. Sammy, what past because the Ruby was wasn't out there because we're just being Northern.
We were very early. We were just getting our bearings. We don't know the area and it was almost too good to be true how close it was from the hotel. So we were like, let's just go down.
If we're hanging around, that's fine. But at least we're there. We're nowhere we're at it literally was around the corner from where we was. It didn't take two minutes.
But yeah, we were there super early. So a walk past and Sammy saw a certain shield. And saw the blue and the white and the red. And it literally she went, it's there.
Like, and then she kind of like scurried past it. It was like, I need time to bring yourself things. She was like, fuck everything else. It was the fact that Kevin was there as well.
Captain America Shield was there with a big old mid-fangirl. So I went, yes, this is going to be an interesting night. And then we got into the building. It was hilarious.
This is this is just pure what we're like. We're talking to the security guard who was completely lovely. Absolutely. I'm a bit banned with it.
My name was on the list, neither top. So that was quite important. And Sammy was patting in because her name wasn't on the first sheet. But if he was paying attention, all the names were in alphabetical order.
So if it's the first name that is in alphabetical order, I am going to be right at the bottom. But why is my name at the top though? Paul Watson. Oh, that's just what we think.
We've got to go down. I was there. Yeah. So Sammy's name was on the second sheet.
But even before we found Sammy's name, the lovely Nick Ewell past went, oh, it's a nerdy up north guys. And we were like, there you go. They go. I'll get shit.
Where, where no one? And when we walked in, I did have a bit of a cry. Because it was been in the presence of something that you would never be a dream of being in the presence of. And when we were talking about Nick Ewell finding the story behind these shoes as well, these two shoes were stolen.
They'd been buried underground for a number of years. How much do you want the expecting to sell for? They are expecting to get about five million full issues. These are going for a pretty penny.
The shoes alone were spectacular. The hat blew me away. I could not stop standing next to this hat. Like if I could just stand next to it, I was fine.
The one item that didn't get as much love as the other two, because it was very, like they were the centerpiece of the whole thing. But the wig, the original blonde wig, which I will get into when we get into the movie, was that wig was in Judy Garland's head. And only Judy Garland's head. Nobody else's wore that wig.
And it was in such pristine condition. Like you could literally take that off the mannequin and put it on and it would look perfect. Yeah, that was something to behold. And even just in the first edition, that was like, my old one.
But when you walk around the room as well, your eyes just shut over and you saw Kevin's outfit from Home and All. That was it. That was the one. And I don't think the reaction that we both had, I don't think we were expecting it, because I just kept going to the front of Kevin's outfit from Home and All.
Like, this is crazy. I was kept doing the impression, doing the impression. Sammy was like, no, I'm not doing the impression. So that was, yeah.
But then the other thing that kind of blew me, like the two of the items that I know, Sammy was over the moon with the Marvel stuff, but the two of the items that I was instantly transported back to a chat as to me childhood when I saw the golden ticket from Jane Wilder's The Woodie Wonka. And I started singing, Cheer Up, Charlie, give us a smile. And then all the songs and memories start flooding back. And then Sammy tried it upset us again when we stand next to the Germano game.
We went, Rob Williams has touched that. You know, I was like, fuck off. I was literally, I was four glasses down at this point. And I kind of like leaned into him and just went, Rob Williams touched that.
And he literally leaned back and went, you fucking kidding us. Are you doing that to us? And I was like, yeah. And we found out, Sammy likes champagne.
And especially when it's free champagne. And hey, we don't do measurements at all. I only had four. That was enough.
Like, I was, do you know what I'm glad I did? Because it kind of, I wasn't in the, I mean, in me one head anymore. Like the minute we walked in there, like before I had a drink, I just, I felt like I was in the head just ever so slightly. And I was like, don't be the weirdo.
You know, we want just, you know, I didn't do these people. It's just, you can do this. And I did say. But it was a weird experience.
The wrong word, because you go down, it's a fancy event. You're expect to, I mean, you expect to stand out like a sore thumb. Well, I did stand out because people were picking me. You've been there though.
But you've been there though. You've done one of these before. So your expectation of it is like, oh shit, that you're just, you're measuring it to have what was the last time. This is, I feel like this, this crowd was just, there was nothing intimidating about them whatsoever.
The crowd was there, which is pure, I think last time, not seeing Game of Thrones one was bad, but it was people that were there for the party. People were there for like the items this time. These were, these were movie fans. These were movie fans.
These were fans of the Wizard of Oz. These were people who, like nerds like us. So we could have a conversation. It was easy to talk with someone.
Like some guy come over and talk to us. He was good friends with Brian Wilson from the Beachwalk. And I was like, what the fuck, I was like, what the fuck's going on in my life? I faced this.
Hey, it's not office, but it's the conversation I was having with Mark. Yeah, Mark. New best friend. And nearly dropped me wine glass about several times.
That man has a, has stories. They are very, very interesting. And it was, it was, it was something you might be getting John Lant, and I'm just on the podcast. Mark's best friend.
And hopefully he doesn't ask to watch the back at the log of sponsors at North. Or even this one. Don't watch trading places. Yeah, he was an absolute sweetheart.
He was, he was, he was a really, really kind man who was just incredible. He was just excited to talk to someone about different, because it's not every day someone will go creature from the black goons, one of my favorite films. And he gets to tell his story of how he's met. Rico Brownin and Julianums.
And yeah, so it was, it was. Sarah Carloff. I think, I think that was the point and nearly dropped me glass as well. He said he's, he spoke to Sarah Carloff and I was like, shit.
Yeah, it's the horse of the toilet. Yeah. So it was an experience and one that will stay with me for, for a lifetime as well. So, and I will say this live on the podcast as well.
Sami does not know. The rumors of Sami snoring is not real. So it's, it's there. But yes.
True story. Oh my god, we have to talk about the hotel room. So how many people have it? It was a seven or six.
Seven, seven. No. One, two, three, four, five and the double. So there was, so the double, so it had seven people could have stayed there with the double bed and stuff like that.
Yeah. So, yeah, seven people five, five mugs. And that's what blew up. So we went to the hotel and we had to go up a flight to says, I've been in my we had just walked from Leicester swear down to where we needed to be.
It was a good 30 minute walk. And did Sami take her bed for? No, I did not. And I did not, but yeah, we had to walk down and we had to walk up these flights stairs to it was just so narrow, like such a narrow, narrow place to walk.
And the guy was like, I was staying out late. I'm like, yeah, she was like, how many flights of stairs you want to walk? And I was like, well, I didn't want to walk that again. That's true.
And it was kind of, I was like, I actually said, look, I'm a fat lad. I did not want to walk those flights stairs because it wasn't comfortable and it wasn't nice. Yeah. It was steep though.
Very steep. OK. Anyway, so what you need to do is walk out this door, walk straight over the road. And there is your hotel.
It's number one. And so we do, we walk up to the we go over, we walk up the stairs and we open the door to seven beds. And this at this point, Sami freaked out. She was like, is this a hostel?
She went, am I going to get murdered? And she started looking at all those skate rooms. And the bathroom. I was like, lock the fucking door.
The bathroom. I guess it's the bathroom. The bathroom and toilet was an interesting situation. It was just like two of the smallest little cubicles.
Like the toilets was just in the straight line. It was, yeah, but that was clean. It was clean. It was tidy.
And it was perfectly located. Like location of it was absolutely perfect. But yeah, the whole bed situation really freaked us out. Like I was wanting to move beds to like put up against the door.
The phone thing is, Sami did change beds a number of times. She was like, I'm going to sit in this one when I look out the window and be nubby. I'm going to sit in this one when I watch the TV. Then she had a segue.
So she was a princess of many beds. Was that was Sami? I hear that happened around a lot. I could have probably just sat on the floor as well.
And no, it was, it was clean. It was just a bed situation just threw me right off. And the one thing that did throw me about the whole weekend as well. Why does London not have a phone signal?
You expect London to be the most kind of like, we had a weird to leave London to get 5G again. It was so strange. I tried to do a few lives. We tried to do a video outside.
And there was no video signal of phone signal anywhere. So that was strange. London saw your signal out. Yes, it was weird.
That one was weird. We didn't have Wi-Fi because we weren't close enough to the hotel to get Wi-Fi. Did anyone have a phone, have a TV signal? I had a portal area that way that we got around to get to watch E4.
Oh my god. And Paul also got you when we went back, because there was a pizzeria underneath the hotel on the other side of the road. We went there, the pizza was absolutely beautiful. It was nice pizza, yeah.
Fresh made pizza. And I made Paul watch a death rocker. It was like, oh, this progress is worth death. Do you mind watching?
I was getting some. I mean, I'm fucked. Watch whatever you want. And to sit in a chicken chut, and we went, oh my god, oh my god.
Oh my god, I was giving them like information on his idea. He was actually interested in it. It's fine. I was busy editing stuff from what we've done anyway.
Oh my god. He has not stopped from the minute we got on that train. Even that he has not stopped. The work that he was doing for the video was absolutely breathtaking.
I really hope he's all appreciated the hard fucking work that he has put into these because an echo is to heritage as well. Because he is spectacular. So I just want to shout this for the, if you don't get many views, we're doing too much work doing well. We're doing better than the game of the ones ones.
We're getting more views on these ones, the same. But just to announce as well, we have for another milestone on the Instagram, on the ground, shall we say? We have just went past 8,000 followers. So we are getting marching on towards that 10,000.
We've just had a big burst of loads of cinema, not so about theta folks. So we are getting a lot of nice people who probably like the Wizard of Oz. But yeah. Yeah.
So your Instagram gets the theta fork. My TikTok, we know you have North gets the paranormal fork. I have them all over there. It's fine.
I've been called a camcoindre dea. So I'm quite happy with that. I'll be a queen for the day. Thank you.
Thank you, Jake, for reposting everything. That's so kind. Thank you. Everyone should be doing a time.
Yes. You're all on TikTok. Not you're gonna handle it. I'm going very often, but Lee.
Yeah. Best, best as a machine. I'll give it better. Yeah, that's true.
That is true. Also, before we talk about the Wizard of Oz as well, we've both seen a film this week. We've been busy. So we've got why not add to this week?
And before we saw that film, we actually saw so many so much wicked promotion around London. We even stood outside of the audio and where they had the premiere. And it was. Sami was human.
He was a popcorn trucks. It was a perfect picture opportunity. Big slides in. Premiere of Wicked and all that.
And we stood there for five minutes for this popcorn delivery truck to fuck off. And it didn't. So she was kicking off saying, oh, I couldn't ruin me picture. Absolutely.
We went down Bond Street where all the post shops are like Chanel and Harry Winston and Harry Winston. And I had all these and Cartier had all these amazing. Like we get a Phoenix window. They get a fucking, you know, an event on their streets.
And we were walking down them and every single one had a fucking van outside of them. So every picture that we've got has about. So when I saw this popcorn van outside the audience, Alec, my brain was about to explode. The best part about it though is if when you're looking at the audience and you're looking at this huge wicked poster, which is absolutely beautiful, you don't realize Batman.
They're standing on the top of the building, staring down at you. Yeah, Batman was sort of a few statues, which you'll see in the video tomorrow. But yeah, one next video, it's like London loves me. Some of you was very much in an element.
I got a lot of love in London and it was lovely. Well, I looked basically like, where we're walking down the posh area, even the trams are looking as why you hear you. You know, you're not going to be a trumpet. I think one of those actually, and I'll bless this homeless man, where you just turn around and I'm like invisible.
And I was like, oh my gosh, nigga stop. And it even didn't end in that day. It was when we got to Costa, I went to Costa to go and grab a cup of tea on the way home. And I went to the lady and she says, oh, you all right, I know you're good.
How are you? I'm very good. Pretty eyes. I was like, this is great.
I love this. I got chatting to two wall ladies in WA. I was recommending books to them. Like I had a good time.
London loves me. So the moral of the story is going to London with Paul and you'll have a good time. Because last time Jake went, he got hammered on for you. What, er, champagne as well.
So everyone had a good time and good chance. But we did go and see Wicked. Yes, we did. And I was goosed.
I shouldn't have even seen it, but literally got back off the train, about got back in the sun and about half four and we were on the six o'clock show. And the same day because I've been dying to see Wicked since the release. And with everything that's been going on, we've not had a chance with Nick Wurgen. It's just been a nightmare for to have any free time and personalized time as well.
Hello, Government Cheese all the way. Oh, wow. Thank you for joining us. Yeah, I actually, I've seen this the issue.
So I think four times, I've seen it in London, Victoria twice. And I've seen it in Southern twice. I was nervous about the movie, but I think even all the good things come out was like set them nerves. The movie lives up to the hype, like visually, act and wise, song wise.
Everything in this movie is perfect. And I've seen some good movies this year. This is my top movie of the year by far. Yeah, this is my favorite movie of the year.
This has hit me like a ton of breaks. I have never been interested in Wicked. I don't know. I didn't know the story, the songs.
I've had to find gravity, but who the fuck hasn't at this point? And again, because it's associated with Wizard of Oz, I'm like, but watching the scene, the trailer. I think it was Dead, Feel The Wolverine. I saw the trailer.
I was like, my heart was raised and I could feel tears building up as I'm just watching a trailer. And then I've been watching and very much loving all of the press tours that they've been doing for this movie. All the red carpets. Oh, it's just been spectacular.
And then I got a chance to see it last night. I'm not going to lie, my experience was a little bit blown for us, but it's just because of where I went to see it. But it doesn't stop the spectacular cinema extravaganza that I witnessed last night. So again, if you're saying that Wicked on the Stage Shore, we all know that moment is divine and gravity.
It is one of those moments that stays with you, lives with you. If you get a good performance on stage, because I've seen it three times, three times has been, well, two, two's been to me as I'm one's been okay and one was a bit, but it depends on the performance and if they get into it as well. This one in the movie, at times everything right, it hits every nord perfectly, it emotionally gets you invested and it drags you along. And when I say when we hit the song and she defies gravity, it's everything you want it to be and more.
And the most iconic thing about this whole film is that they sang everything live. So there's no everything that you see. So when Cynthia Areva is being dragged across the skies and singing away, she's doing it live. When she's been in a harness, being dragged all over the place, that is her voice that you can hear.
It's made the experience so much better. There isn't a soundtrack that you listen to. It's actually them singing. It's really and the time gravity.
Yeah, yeah. Just asking the question, because we said we'll probably remake the Wiz of Oz. The problem we've got with, because they've wanted to remake the Wiz of Oz so many times in the past, is the rights to not just the movie, but the individual things in the movie that they can never get. That's why certain aspects of the original movie, you can't get the rights to the Wiz of Oz, the story is in one thing, the rights to the Ruby slippers is another.
So you can't use the Ruby slippers in, because I know in the original book, the Ruby slippers was silver as well, talk about the film, but I'm sorry, I'm just going to say it by the question. Someone I don't know who has the rights to the Ruby slippers, that's not in the movie. So they can't make the Wiz of Oz. That's why when they've done the James Frank or they couldn't use the Ruby slippers, and they couldn't use certain characters in the movie as well.
So it's a big clusterfuck. It's just like the production of the movie we're about to talk about tonight. So before we start talking about all the interesting and weird facts, I just want to say that the Wiz of Oz is my comfort movie. I have, I know it's best people who haven't listened to this again, because I was telling Nicki about it when we're in front of the Ruby slippers as well.
I have got so many good memories to the Wiz of Oz. This was the movie that made me fall in love with cinema. This movie made me a nerd, basically. If I didn't watch the Wiz of Oz when I was a kid, I probably wouldn't be as mental as I am now, because as soon as I saw it, I was like to love at the first sight, saying something going from savior color to technicolor was just mesmerizing.
I can imagine what that would have been back at the time when it was at 1939. You think it's all, you can't. It's weird how our brains will never be able to take in that idea of sepia tone to color. What is this witchcraft?
Exactly. Burn it down. So that took us back. Like when it comes to Wiz of Oz, my wife loves the Wiz of Oz, she's got a Wiz of Oz tattoo.
We actually walked down the aisle to somewhere over the rainbow. She wore Ruby, her slippers on our end here. The bridesmaid had each, not individually, each color from the rainbow. That was the thing that could have any dress style or anything to want.
It just had to be a certain color to match the theme. This movie is, and again, this is why, if we got to talk about it, I would be happy. I'll say I'm beaming now, but I knew this wasn't Sammy's bag, so I was never going to force some of your makes. I mean, end you a little fess that I would probably pull over it.
And I would be okay with that because it's my little thing. It's mine. It's something. It feels like it feels like.
And if I do get a share, it's fairly, I'm happy to share my me cushion or this movie. At all, I fully understand where you're coming from with that. Paul told that lovely story about his wedding to Nicki, and I just come in with, I got married in Halloween. I got a little rain cloud, Eeyore in the corner.
I want to say I don't know one any on this. I fully understood that this should be a movie I absolutely love. But Judy Garland in who I adore, it's got, it's an old movie, I love classic old movies. And even if I didn't know what I know now, I knew Technicolor was involved in this.
That should have interested me from the get go. But I have just, I have, for some reason, it's almost like I've been anti-whisitive, I've created the stance myself, and I'm like, right, I'm sticking with it. I have been completely broken down and it starts with wickets. It literally starts with when I saw that trailer for wickets, and then obviously leading up to what we've just done.
Yeah, I've been, I've been mellowed. And how I'm also looking at the proton films as well. Like I've said, on a past episode, I'm not here, who am I to go and shit on somebody else's love of a movie, just because I don't get it. So this is where I am right now.
And I have, I've not done, I haven't just done my research for this episode. I have gone into articles. I'm not just using IMDB, it's basically what I'm saying. I have done deep, deep depth in research for this.
It's one of those movies that it is interesting because there's so much stuff, not just about the movie itself, there's the production, there's behind the scenes, there's the law, there's the legend, there's the rumors, there's the lies. And there's a lot of them. Yeah. But just taking it back now, the process, to me, as you said, the Technicolor, it's a process now that will never be done again, because the chemicals and everything that was involved, doesn't exist anymore?
No. So this movie is totally shot in Sepulotone. Yeah. The whole thing is in Sepulotone from start to finish.
And there is a moment, there's only two times, the Judy Garland is not Dorothy. And it's how they transition from Sepulotone to Technicolor. They need it, they couldn't do it. They couldn't do it.
There was something to do with it, they couldn't do it, where they needed her face and they needed her in the color shot, as opposed to the Sepulotone one. So they have her standing double in the Sepulotone. And then she is the one who walks out the door. And it's, yeah, it's, yes, a lot of asbestos in this as well.
Which then, I'm going to put this out before I start talking. As much as I've done articles and readings on this, a lot of stories on this movie change from time to time. The asbestos one, especially with the snow. Apparently that's not true, but apparently it is true.
It's like, it's almost like an urban myth. Like a lot of wizards, the stuff that I've read about it almost feels like there's just so much urban myth around it. So I have done my best to try and find out as much as I can, that it's been the same information, if that makes sense. So let's do a little bit of an information that we know, like that we found out.
So a lot of rumours for this movie, like the one that always goes in hand, where the one down the evil forest, where the background you see a munchkin, like when the munchkins are someone as hung themselves. That is false. That has been true. So false.
That is not, I mean, that was added to a YouTube video and then the legend kind of grew. That is a big false one. Yeah. And the munchkins, it depends on which story or who you talk about.
Because I know the munchkins weren't particularly, were very close, closet themselves, they were very close together. And they didn't like many things. They did have parties. They did, there was outrageous parties.
But again, this was the 1940s. But it wasn't, it wasn't. So there was a group of German munchkins who came, they had the party goals. They had the rest of them kind of didn't.
Then they did stick together. This is the first time maybe outside of Vodveil, where there was a lot of them in one place at one time. They had a lot to share with each other. And there is a lot of stories of...
The fortress. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that word. And going on. Now what I found out, and again, this is just stuff that I've read, I'm not saying it's, it's just what I'm looking for.
It's not... I'm just, I'm taking what I have from the internet. If I'm wrong, I'm really sorry. But the room at Mill's started with Judy Garland, because she was getting a little bit sick of the same questions, constantly over and over again, that she just ended making shit up.
And one of them was the stuff about them, but she was letting take two kinds of, some of them had a sense of humour about it. There's one who I have, and I'm just going to go down to my part on the munchkins, because there was a lady who was the last one alive, Margaret Pellegrini. She was the one who came out and said it was a German kid who were the party gores. And yeah, she was a massive advocate for, we didn't do what you said kind of thing.
And she would, she up until her death, would go to conventions dressed in her that love it. She's the one with the blue hat. Right, okay. Yeah, Margaret Pellegrini is a huge advocate for the munchkins and making sure, and she made sure what their story was told.
And one of the two facts as well, Margaret, Margaret had been dead so far quite bad burns, to one of the scenes as well. Yeah, Margaret Hamilton suffered third degree burns when the puffer smorgon fire, as she's leaving, there's a trap door, it got stuck, and Margaret Hamilton didn't get down in time. Margaret Hamilton all stumped, stumpedable for broom scenes, had such a severe accident that she couldn't actually have children. Yeah, she had to have a, when I'm guessing she had to have a full hysterectomy, don't have to do the incident.
Right. There's... Another guy, the guy who played the tin man, I'm just going to get you up now. I've got to tell you, Jacky Lee.
Right, okay, so it's not Jacky Lee. So Jacky Lee Lee is the tin man as a woman. He is the guy who used the other screen. The original is a guy called, oh gosh, what was his name?
Epson. Calvin got his first name written down apparently. And Epson turned... So Epson was the main player.
He was actually the scarecrow originally, and then he got, and then the guy who plays the scarecrow said, the guy who was playing the tin man said, I want to play the scarecrow, and he went, no, it's okay, I'll play the tin man. So this is what rules. The Epson is your original tin man, no, and he'll go back a bit. So this goes down, this is to start with the directors.
I got set to pull before we went like, this movie should never have been made ever. And it starts with the directors. This movie had four directors. First one was Richard Thorpe.
He was only a director for two weeks, and then he was fired. Now Richard Thorpe was fired on what he did originally, the Blond Week. Yeah. I mentioned it earlier on, we've seen it in person.
What they did to Dorothy was make her look like a doll. The Blond Week was part of that. They actually strapped her chest down, which was incredibly painful for Judy Garland. And they made it more cutesy, more...
It was actually quite tacky. And he got sacked. So that's Richard Thorpe out the door. The next director is a guy called George Cook, or...
George Cook could only give a certain amount of his time because he was going in to try and fix the shit show that was happening with the wind. Gone with the wind was pretty much going to bankrupt Hollywood. So they had the George said, I can do this amount of time, and then I'm going to have to go. They took it.
George is actually very well known for going in and making all the changes. The yellow brick road, he did that. Changing Dorothy into the brown hair, he did that. All the little changes that we now know as the movie, that's all down to him.
George then leaves to go off to do Gone with the Wind, and then we get Marvin Merroy. No, we get Victor Fleming. Sorry. Now Victor Fleming is the name who is on there because he's probably the one who spent the most time, but he's directed number three.
So he comes in and he... He does what he does. He's a director. There's actually not quite a bit drama goes on with him until he gets a phone call saying, we need you for Gone with the Wind.
Right. This is how Bad Gone with the Wind was going. They have to get in another director to go in and try and save the day. And then we get the last director, which is King Vidal.
King Vidal is the reason you have somewhere over the rainbow in the movie because that was a song that was going to be axed by Victor Fleming. He put it back in again. So four directors. Now, the reason I had to bring them up for is because it explains the changes.
So the original Ten Man is from the first director. Yes. And he got... So the outfit that they had him in had a spray on it that basically...
It was led to his list. Yeah, it gave him a little poison. And he almost died. The ironic thing about it all is he outlived everyone.
So that's a good trick, guys. Eat some of your live for a minute. Yeah, it was aluminium dust. And that was used on his suit and it got on for his lungs and it was very, very sick for him.
He ends up leaving. And this is when he was replaced by Jack Healy. And he was replaced without even being told. Yeah.
He had no idea. He just thought you'd get in the role of a lifetime. This guy was like, what the fuck? I thought I was coming back.
And Jack Healy ends up taking over and the rest is history. Yeah, it's always a sad thing when it comes to the Ten Man as well. Because it's such an interesting story. And he has a lovely character in this movie as well.
I think the guy who plays it plays it really well. But when you read it back and everything like he and before, it's just like I just said, this shouldn't have happened. Like you could imagine them trying to do something like that to like Tom Cruise or Jim Carrey. So you know what we're going to put you like say with lead BSP and then get you to the point where you might die.
Yeah, well, Margaret Hamilton stuff had the same kind of thing. The sort of originally, so the first director, it was the second director who made the changes also made the change to Margaret Hamilton. She had she didn't have the hat. No.
She had a long black wig with scraggly hair. She didn't have the nose. And even though that is part of Margaret Hamilton's nose, but she didn't it wasn't as part of the nose. And they used a green paint on her that pretty much burned her skin underneath.
Like it was sort of when the second director comes in, he's the one who makes the changes. He wraps her hair up. He gets that iconic hat on her and they kind of come up with a better way of putting the makeup on her. But even like the makeup from Margaret Hamilton, that was one of the reasons why she did get third degree burns because the makeup that years was highly flannable.
Yeah. So choices were made in like the aspects like the movie magic. And who were Billy? What's her name?
Billy Burke, who plays Glinda? Billy Burke looks absolutely phenomenal. Like she is absolutely beautiful in this film, but Billy Burke wasn't an age. And she was age and gracefully.
She wasn't doing, you know, what you would find women to do in Hollywood. And they didn't like the fact that in a woman, you see our age in our neck first. Before we see it here, you all think it's down to the wrinkles and everything, but it's actually a neck that will really show your true age. And they use wires to pull her neck back like you would.