Nerdy Up North Podcast - Universal Monsters

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He's got he actually refers to himself as Hitler before we went was a dead We were like you know, we're you know, Jessica but like some good lipstick on so it's up on the black and white Filter and I was like, oh, I should done that but then using about the fact that look like a board of bill And or gay Hitler and just like I don't know I was just being egg with some facial hair stuck on it all that guy from Star Wars like he making a joke But literally it's a good one to get bigger Yes, and we are joined by the wonderful Dan from Blaine Marvellous again Like if she had become a firm fan favorite as well, so she's gonna want a audience See everyone seems to love her. I want to be on with her now I actually am getting requests from the people of the team send us by the message and I want to be on with Dan so Yes, and we are going to be beautiful Jessica who is looking like a movie starless from the 50s right here and now I should put us all the same shame Well one of us made an effort I was musing about you know, I was talking to the chat about basically like dressing up as like Universal Monsters for But none of it really bothered. I really wanted to try and dress up as Dracula like paint the black sort of We don't speak But then I was just like then I then do the entire episode like a count from Sesame Street One night years since that's just there one Already guys, but yes, if you find me isn't if I was getting this thing start running down your forehead Yes, so this episode we have talked about doing this episode for quite a while But we've never really had like the people other people to be involved with this type of episode I know we were meant to have another member involved Charlotte, but like a coach is not very well So hope Ruby does like get better and make sure we're thinking about your Charlotte I know you're in the chat. So hopefully things who might pull around from Ruby there.

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I did that while while Graham was pulling faces because I could fucking see you I'll be disappointed if he doesn't pop on the advantages and back So yeah, so question I would like to ask you guys before we start when did you get introduced to the universal horror all monsters Shall we see because I was probably at a very young age But I didn't get introduced to the universal monsters first I was a big fan of the hammer horror like Christopher Lee and that type of like the British style I have like of horror back to me that was what I was introduced first And I've got a little bit older like you hear the stories and you see my things and that that's I was probably about 12 or 13 I actually did see them first like said at the universal monsters I don't know about you guys We use was a member of the same age younger all there I was about 14 15 15 because it was the first trip I went to first time I went Universal Studios in Florida when I was 15 and I went to the monster movie makeup set and They did it. Oh, it's so brilliant It's and it wasn't it did focus on that the starting point New lessons was more to do with the how it's developed like how it's growing it It just intrigued us make up those massively intriguing and that's where my little love started for it and it's just grown. Oh, so big What you're done? I saw a picture of Elsa Lancaster and I became immediately fascinated with How somebody wasn't mainstream beautiful?

Yeah, it was the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen in and out of makeup So I have to see what this is and then I think I remember going to blockbusters with my dad and I dad dad dad Please I want to see these videos and so he hired like a load of other beat them up because I'm the old age pensioner in this group or VHSes and I was sat and watched them like and I think even got late fine because I refused to give them back at one point So I want to say it's about maybe 10 in a vanish I just remember just looking at her and just it was like or you know, like when you look at someone you look at it It's just like looking at a guy Wow, and then you discover everything else in a waterfall cascade in afterwards Yeah, and so this day she's still the most beautiful woman I think I've ever seen because she's so unconventional It is one the more iconic looks as well, and I don't think like for a Like especially a female in horror that it's just striking like you see a bride of Frankenstein and it instantly hits I see that that looking at how that comes across and I don't think it's ever been changed like because you've seen that many different versions of Frankenstein you've seen that many bits versions of Dracula but that vision has never been replicated or well not between Okay, but never been all it or like moved away from like the first version What about you Jessica? What was your first for you? I can't remember how young I was It's been a lot of time with my grandad so watching movies was all black and white films It wasn't quite up on getting me like kids films to watch so I could find all the old movies I'm gonna say like There'd been a grim little child. It was like having fun with the monsters All out for me like every single one and I had like we got me the novels a Dracula crying and science stuff So I'm so young it's like monsters No, it's getting like a silver party now It's something beautiful about the old silent like it just looks so much like is more attention paid We're enlightening everything definitely yeah I think there's a production as well.

That's the one thing I've noticed since revisiting the like everything has a purpose Nothing's just put in for like visual or anything to say everything serves a purpose and It's one of them normally you can watch a film and you play on your phone or you can talk when you're not constrain You can still follow it They use your look way for like 30 seconds and you missed up like a major thing or you've missed something that's happened and I love that aspect to it and It like the risks and the effects and things that they did in these movies to the way for what we have now Like effects wise are special like effects wise like these were like the trailblazers in my eyes for a lot of different things People was like say the bigger movies like gone with a window and like it's a wonderful life and stuff like do get The credit like a bean black and white movies But these ones were more ambitious in a way of like to try and tell the impossible with the without things like they were doing Like Camatrix and certain things and it just blew me mind things This was in the 30s and 40s where computers and stuff wasn't around they were doing this with trick lenses Cutting slice and film it's just blew blow your mind what they could do and how they could do it Yeah, it's a sheer style of the films as well like like a Frankenstein especially where it's just like you know like the sets are so crazy Like when you watch all the films like the cabinet of dr. Caligari and whatnot I'm just being like why does everything why is everything crooked like it's you know We see it nowadays and things like Tim Burton and whatnot where the idea of the whole set is mad Like it looks like it was put in by a stumbling builder or something Well, you know how many angles do you want here exactly and but it's that amazing style and then like you're saying like the invisible man Like I was watching that just being like how did they do this? Yeah, you know like how did you know then you go? Oh, they probably did a sort of went frame-by-frame and cut everything out like and that's like that's like thing about the pyramids being made But I'm like, oh, how did they do this?

Oh, they just had a 10,000 people and a hundred years and you're like, okay That was an interesting time, but that is amazing though. No, definitely. What about you cream? Where did you get started?

I gotta be honest I literally I got influenced by proxy with these I think because I didn't actually see most of these movies that were talking about today They're like five years ago like I made it in I had the full box out of them on is it? I've been DVD or Blu-ray and then I basically borrowed it and I binge watched all of them But then the idea all we've experienced all of them through pop culture because of how like chronic they are So even stuff like when I was a kid watching stuff like Rocky Horror and then watching stuff like the writer Frankenstein and watching things like, you know Frankenstein and effectively and Dracula and just being like, oh that shot is from that or oh that hand is just from that or you know And it's like Lovecraft where you just look into horror and you just go oh everything leaves back today So everything leaves back to like you know Dracula or the creature from the black lagoon and whatnot and so kind of crazy watching them and Feeling like you knew them when you didn't but obviously I knew the characters like I was a Bright Dracula said you know like I'm a ghosty as a person is amazing And you know it's what kind of new it? Yeah by association I think but then obviously I was like I love these yeah Now that's George like cuz you worry with these type of movies like like when you talk to kids these days Well, I was at work the other week I was talking to some kids it sounds when I go about this I was talking to some young kids about ghost posters and they were asked me what's course was this oh So and like these are like 18 20 year olds like not watching movies like ghost posters and stuff like that's it's got zero chance Of them going back and watching these type of movies But that's the thing though because I always worry I know I was worried too much about like pop culture and stuff moving on and leaving these type of classics behind But as William said the visual aspects will almost be a bit of this is these probably the first movies I watched like just I went back and read the books like after watching Dracula as a kid I went and got the like watch the red background stories right now Mary Shirley's Frankenstein Jekyll and Hyde and stuff like that Took us on a different literature as well But like this week has been like blowing me mind when I've been watching these movies back like the tricks and things like talk about like Probably some like two most famous ones that show we see is makes it in my opinion This is Frankenstein and Dracula now so I went back and watch the original Dracula go see and it was beautiful Like the lightning everything was just perfect, but one thing I did notice no sound No, it's crazy The first time you ever attempted sound in a film before this they were all silent maybe so The offer was the one just before that's for them to do Dracula. Yeah It's a different stage plan Translate it to film so things like putting a soundtrack behind them.

No one thought this yet We do that during the stage play. Yeah all about the dialogue. It's like we have like exactly nothing really ever happened. Yeah Yeah, sorry Spits back by the way We have so quiet though, it's so like it's such an incredibly quiet film I know necrophiliacs that would be put off by that amount of silence It's like it's this horrible like just as it works so well like you know, wait you just go With us As I said before it's all about like the like the presence the same as when I was watching back in the back I was like nothing much is happening.

Just all say on each other. Yeah, but it's a lighting if you if you look at how they filmed every time They went on to and Bella as the count the lighting just stripped across his eyes I was constantly just that one bit highlighted like just under the brow line and his eyes That must have been a killer thing not to blink because it was constantly like eyes popping out his head and I noticed in that film spoiler alert He dies The bit of the end it was so anti climactic when you watch it He was just like a man has been just a dog and then you see him you didn't seem to it You just run open the cabinet and here ah yeah, because John Harper's and Nina was it get up the stairs Fine I In the book but it's before the action where basically Renfield gets sent over there to do great Jonathan Hock is job and then basically goes nuts and organizes them and then he comes back to England And they put him in the asylum and then they go okay We need to send Jonathan over to finalize the deal and get the contracts and stuff signed and then this one just goes Oh, let's get that little bit and just I know like Jonathan Hock is in it, but he doesn't do anything He's literally just standing there being like I'm a man. Yes Yeah, he's a very nice suit on yeah, he's literally a shop dummy that they somehow animated He had that fact that he had to speak all like this at all times when he was clearly a better company I thought very boy so they go was when they talk about things like that No, they that was perfect It also changed so many of these ones as well like when you go through the novels Dracula's not portrayed as being this kind of swab attractive man. He's portrayed like both strikes hideous He's grotesque like I took back like a year is just like this is done because of our legacy like he brought this up certain Dracula's sexy.

Yeah, I don't think anyone could see him as not Frankenstein No, shelly's is not described in that way. It's all universal choices Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean all to the characters that anything Doesn't seem right but it's the original predictions. Yeah, no 100% like the aesthetics and this like everything as we said before is Done to the I like the length that they went to for the like any little bits of detail like the body and I Gorn like I know we're jumping all over the place I try and get a bit more structure like if you go to the wolf man the transition from man to wolf or wolf to man Is breath taken especially when you think of like what like how many different transformations we've had since then that have been so terrible Like the only one that jumps out of my mind to be up there is well from London Yeah, like me is like the standard bearer But watching that back was just amazing But going back to like say the like say the original Dracula as Dan said the ending when it ends you think it's a Constructor screen you pretty hated anything.

It's like universal at the end is like what? But I think that was a lot with the universal ones like the end is kind of just ended and like it didn't really think but When you look back through and I didn't realize to start looking up No, but the universe monsters how many actually were and how many seagulls there were as well No, if you buy the box at like the collections is I've got the Alex Ross I still still Timbooks are absolutely beautiful and but there's like five six David a blur is and like you got the Disc one but there's thirty odd different films. Yeah, if you look through the back up log Yeah, if you include the Albert and Costello ones as well Yeah, the one that I got has so you've got the movie But then you've got all the extra zachums with the movie as well So it's not necessarily films But it's like kind of you it's any like little mini documentaries on there that like they're on that disc too It was well worth the money and it was well worth me not having a fucking look for these movies because I got it's hard and We're getting on me knows I should not have a lot of it because this is something that I will treasure and watch forever And ever so it's not like it's just for this weekend. It was just perfect time in for this weekend So going back to what Jessica was saying though universal view what they were doing and I'm gonna put your surname So apologies now Carl.

Is it Lemile Lemile? I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah They It's That gazer He knew what he was doing because what he managed to do was make an anti-hero and You've never seen anti heroes in the side of movies It was all about the dastardly man pie in the woman to the train tracks and her feinting and everything being like oh Which is so over the top when guns exist You know, really this is like yeah, I'm just gonna have a thousand pieces and run over by a train Yeah, well, you know, it's I did dastardly actually So you're telling me that you were miles in front in the race and decided to stop to set up a trap But the people behind you Yeah That's why you always lost If you get a hat tomorrow you can do the cosplay of perfectly for that room Oh, I'd be amazing just many entire knows best time people up randomly just or yelling at pigeons Tying goodwill sorry totally do you know? Literally is the idea of the anti-hero because you find yourself with ever well I know I do because I'm a weirdo I empathize every time the monster and I always think the monster is actually the hero because the monster's the one that is always trying to do Do I think these people come into their world?

Well, they they create them and then they fuck up their world or they'll fuck up how they're teaching them to be human or whatever their their endgame is and All they want is to either exist or not in Frankenstein's case No, because he makes it very clear in one of the films when he sits there I can't remember if it's the bride or Frankenstein itself where he sits there and he says I don't want to live I want to die You know you can tell but all the way through I'm always led to the monster and I'm always sitting there thinking to myself Yeah, that's the one I feel sorry for that's the one I empathize with I couldn't give a fuck about all those other people I can get in the bin, you know, it's like I watch them I watch Frankenstein a few years ago the first time in like many years and I find myself actually getting really angry Everyone else except him because to me He's this new beings new creature who has no idea of how to be a person And the people who are there to teach him a bullion and torturing him to the point where he just snaps and I was like you motherfuckers I was so angry and then with a little girl. I thought that was ridiculous like Should round I just thought was aggressive given the monster a flower when he went to know how allergic he was to Poland So I just thought that was very nasty other In the novel it is a sympathetic creature like Frankenstein's monster Whereas Dracula isn't to calculate his viewed as an actual like total villain like monster in his story And then and it's weird that the universal depiction does it that way and then we like and then obviously all adaptations of Dracula since I've seen to go Oh, actually, maybe he's not bad like I'm so good back in I bring the love very aspect into it But I'm but yeah, like all of them like the front of the opera is of a you know He is a tragic anti-hero and even the creature the black lagoon like basically these bastards come in like pull his uncle's hand out of a mountain Oh, you're body tensed up here. Did you not read us? And now all I'm gonna be able to hear is a fucking your correct I just killed two people with all buts bastards Black Lagoon monsters Depends where she goes in Yorkshire.

So out of the ones like I know it's impossible to watch them all Like we've all tried this week to watch as many as we can basically What would you see as your ultimate favorite like the one that you've watched that type of surprise Joe or that you still It's always gonna be the bride for me is that that story that whilst he was she was called the bride of Frankenstein She was actually supposed to be the the Frankenstein monsters bride But and that's another thing that pisses me our people that refer to Frankenstein's monster is right in time But I get why because the marketing and people just stupid but and It'll always be the bride because it's like a love story and then it's like well, you know like me So we're both gonna die And everybody dies at the end so I didn't have to roomy completely after watching I forgot all about it I saw it again. I was like what the fuck when the sign is stopping the little people in the jars Yes Yeah We watch them like we late on in the day like Frankenstein and right at Frankenstein were pretty late on in the day when the Indian Binge them and he got to this point of being like are we hallucinating with this? I don't know. I'm gonna be really hard.

I do not like right at Frankenstein I think it was my least favorite at all the comes I like what it's doing But when I watch it in the context of all of the films you're a bit like why is this a comedy like it is so weird that we watch Frankenstein And then that and you're like these are this is literally like a sort of you know It's just a comedy remake of Terminator And but you know I enjoyed it, but it just it's a weird one for that very reason He's just going to first one was very scientific and very realistic based on the horror is that this might happen And then he's just go little people with no explanation as to how this happens I mean my backup is creatures my backup will always be the creature of the black game because it's that whole thing that when you Analyze it and you realize how much swimming and freediving a reek around in that to do It was also directed by Todd Brown in who directed freaks and which is an absolutely epic film with anybody gets the chance to Real it's what Ryan Murphy based American horror story freak show off off So it's it's it's one of those films when you think about what we go Brown and have to go through to be in that entire costume Swimming underwater for the legs of time that he was down there for and all the other guys that were doing their shots They must have spent at least 60% of that underwater that fair and it was crazy It's crazy the payoff is that beautiful sequence of where she's swimming on the top and he's swimming below and the mirror each of it is Oh fucking spectacular. I absolutely love it I Goes crazy with the creature but just going back to the bride of Frankenstein There was elements I enjoyed I loved the relationship between Frank's lines monster and the bride when he was like holding hands and she was a scream and he sees But I see that was as well as Graham said the little people in the jar just threw me for a little I was like what the fuck's going on here and but like all we threw out the state all of this one You always get the crazy woman that's like telling stories and going oh I feel about it we were literally like does she have an off button because she's in the invisible hand as well And you just go like she fucking is isn't she You know what I mean she reminded me of a carry on film like yes You took her out of a 1960s carry on film and you put her in a 1930s movie 1934 she held up in both of them oh It's a screaming invisible man when she's just she's not really seen anything and all that was it He's husband's just been chopped down the stairs and she's hysterically screaming for like no reason whatsoever honestly I was wetting myself like I love love through that movie I'm in contact Dr. Pretorious so the guy who did ours How creepy pervert he is about the whole thing yes Yeah, and comes up eat her is a really kind of ambiguous character of sexuality based It's kind of a version for Henry is a bit off at certain points In fact create a woman and you see he has a thing where he told you between it kind of it's the bride like the perfect female figure But also like a daughter the concordors they get older yeah, and that's that's the bit I like about it most is like this weird creepy Obscure man who just appears. I just kind of like hello Take a little evil scientist type thing like showing up and just in I'm just gonna play with things almost to the point Like we got reanimated from type of these type aspects as well These canvas tits.

Yeah, we did just do do it. He is the epitome of camp at that time It's a it's almost kind of late I wouldn't I would love to have known at its exactly you're not care about what the reaction was just so yeah it can fill in Was controversy that people just kind of go They probably just like We wonder does this turn into like you know Like obviously how film sport trade gay people in the past where they went oh, he's camped there for he needs to be a villain And you know that's yeah, they basically went all gay people are evil therefore They're like this so wonder if maybe his campness was added to him as a villain there Where's we're kind of seeing him as this working weirdo character Where's they must have got always a bad guy all because he's really campin stuff and you wonder if that played into it? But yeah, but he's not it But I know what alluded to it before but how like these films still resonate with like movies like go on up that course through after watching Brida Frank Stein all of a sudden I had to watch weight science Just popped into me head straight away. So I had to go from Wow Ring shots on a teenager's house and you're like okay, this is what's me fair was John Hughes Bill Jackson's character still it's a bill taxman.

It was a little bit. Yes. Yeah, um his characters It is a kid is like Barry Wyatt's brother is just hilarious Thanks if why do you and I'm not gonna try and do the one line is now because this won't work But again, that's a different podcast for a different day if I'm going to that What but you just go you another fan of the bride with you when the t-shirt as well there No, yeah, it's up there for me and so like my favorites. There's one I found it recently It's class class is basically the lost universal film Kind of again re-release it.

It's one called the old dark house. I have heard of this features the doctor from the bride There's a place for all the universe The film where the people get stranded in a storm in this house and then on the third floor There's a weird yeah, I literally randomly watched that like two months ago because I got that like old You know the old app where basically it's movies that are going out copyright and he just came up there I thought I was brilliant and it was weird just being like why are all of these famous people in this one random bill It's been amazingly because again, it's like a stage where it's all set in one room Everyone always exit at the same door comes back in my way. They're going in the house one dog. They used coming out It's comedic in its way because there's some amazing lines is the little wasn't already She's just getting off the whole time.

There's no bets like they can stay but there's no Tourists like isn't it it's not you know the big the large guy who's like Oh, that's your sure is You just call your hope because I've always my man outside Incredible social context and if you've got two kind of old money characters you've got an ex war veteran you've got I think Really causes a chorus girl, and then you've got the Yorkshire man who is new money. He's just built his business and it's This film sets presents all movies ever since that come out like this a bunch of Characters that would never ever interact before stick them in a room in a scenario where they can't get out for an entire night And they could work out you with these people you're sat with Yeah Context is the very first one done in that sense. There is no answer in the film Psycho So maniacal I laugh every time because it is like a wild toddler just gets released Good Social constructs like almost create entire genre one movie I mean the barely anyone's ever heard of Relating all comes from just this one idea How do you feel regarding the other universal films because I found bizarrely that like where I'm very much someone who loves like having subtext and things inside movies and obviously like right a frankenstein does have a lot of sort of commentary in that sense But then the others I don't think they do like they seem to be straight up kind of This is a film about a monster like you know and obviously you could read you know With like going hey, it's about us You know entering into other people's environments and like the damage that humanity does to nature But at the same time I'm kind of like or it's about a monster I mean, you know, it's all about the wolf man's don't look at the girls for their food telescope You turn into a wolf fucking in self-pervert That's the plot of the wolf man. I was actually watching that being like Oh, all of this is like, oh, this is why they haven't been made this one directly Insane that though I don't know if that necessarily applies with a hunchback because I watched the original 1923 one the silent film and Someone had remastered well not they remastered it and they'd created an entire new score for the whole film So you're watching it with a soundtrack of like a completely written symphonic school and it was one of the most beautiful things I've I sat back and watched and I know in 1923 things were very very different with visually different Disabilities things like that, but It sort of tackled that that key element of social rejects and disability and how he was banished because he was too ugly to look at and How it just took one kind woman that was a hate using the phrase is their phrase I'm mind the gypsies and they you know they were then being persecuted as well And it just took kind of some woman to make him realize that he was worth more And I think that is you see that theme run through quite a lot of films these days You know usually they make the hunchback over by now and he turns into a six foot four honking ricks bloke You know after his makeover.

Yeah, we just need to take all this makeup off That same thing though has carried on over a hundred years Yeah, and it's crazy to when you break it down and you analyze it and you see how amazing That is that something can run for as long as a hundred years and still be woven in and out of movies But I think that's just down to good storytelling as well like good stories or good like good ways of telling the stories are Timeless and it's the same a horror like they always say that horror movies and comedy do share same beat It's all about timing and like think but a lot of the horror movies from today could take a lesson from going back to the days and Like things like patience don't rush things going through too many different elements in just keep it similar and they can be like Like a lot more terrifying and but before I start going in the whole area I've seen like new horror movies need to go back to the rainbow But um, well, you say like you go with the one that you want to talk about It is the way to know what you I'm gonna shock you because yes creature 100% I hope we have a very in-depth conversation about creature because it is it's not just my favorite universe It's one of my favorite movies of all time But what it really shocked is watching these back is how fucking go the world man is like I think I've I've done you about it through message just like fucking watching he's like I already have I Just it couldn't get all how fucking brilliant it was and Long chain junior was just oh my god that man was absolutely breasty again And I could hang on every word he said and was a claudry and so ladies father. They oh my god that man's voice They even an invisible man like that voice is just fantastic And I love the fact that them two are very cool to me I mean if they we made the invisible man with Joe Pasqualee, it'll be a totally different movie I don't want to wake up and hear his voice and they've not seen him anywhere I'm not going to get on your nerves Oh god no, there's just a white sheet just dancing everywhere I went back to a red court stage now Oh, yep, she's there But yeah, you see SD Yes, and really really surprised us but Anthony came in halfway through the film and went right answer me this Why you see the wolf man and not a werewolves and I was like I don't know I Missed something because he goes yeah, he's a werewolf. He's a wolf man. There's used to use the word werewolves I heard which was again what through was because and also Bella who's in the movie as well or Billa Sorry, I said I would pronounce his name right display a little go see and he he was on to even four legs whereas Long chain junior was on two legs and hind legs as well.

He walked on his toes But Keeps in movie magic and shit, but it was a werewolf a lot longer than Jenny was like say might have been the only Yeah, that's what I said I was like maybe it's a transformation thing maybe the more he's into it in the more the more he because he is not fully there He's not fully looking like what Billa look like as a way and honestly we went on this we sat there I was the movie and we just absolutely dive about werewolves and wolf man's and it was It was really I love the conversation we got over this Before Jessica comes with the actual truth I felt like it was probably I'm just real awesome I thought it was probably marketing. I thought they were like oh, we'll call the movie the werewolf and then everyone's Just gonna go with the wolf man. They give like oh, it's a man who's a wolf like I don't know I think it was you know a marketing round table just because I'm stupid Yeah, I think that's true I think at the time because all the titles like very direct it is you can't drag it Frankly sign the invisible man. I think it had to be they had to have a character title Those contexts and movies as well as humanity.

These are both man He's still hanging on desperately Then he is still human there's a bit of that kind of yes a better his way is To himself into that problem. I think it does come across the way why he's not a werewolf It is that whole time told I'm still being a man It was easy to pinpoint that character again merchandise in as well to help sell This is the wolf man. I think we didn't wear walls. It's our wolf man.

Yeah It is like see I did enjoy this one It was one of the like sort of the better acted movies as well I'll be honest like that and it was saying but it just showed you the sign of the times that we are in that like So being in watching girls or windows were seen as charming back then but now it's kind of like it's a little bit great But yeah, we see a little bit I think that's a little bit when I watched it because as you said when the first werewolves come into it I'm not trying to know to get all the advice on And I'm always just I was just watching a shitload of documentaries and he's even he's son was like it's been a Bela it's been a That was an actual look like an actual dog and I look like the dog was actually getting hit so it actually Watching this because he's like something about to get more aggressive in I do like I kind of winced away when I watched it My ring light is actually on the cane as I speak Wow Cuz I mean it's phenomenal it's I've told you to before my hallway my entire office is away I've got dracula and I've got the creature over the stairs. I've got literally everything As to date none, but you never know You can't Wait, I will be there Some is a bit dodgy where she will try to stay there You said the werewolves the well from creature or no no creatures still must like huge huge love and respect for that Like it's again It's like it's one of my favorite films of all time and I did go on a bit of a deep dive with the wolf man And because I know that but Westmore was the makeup artist for creature well Make a part is to go put that in brackets, but I knew that but Westmore's name was associated It's now like what I know Jack Pierce is incredibly famous for Dracula He created the look that we know of Dracula today Frank and stand the bride the wolf man And I was like how the fuck do we get from Jack Pierce to Bud Westmore? So I just went on this huge deep dive of the fact that Jack Pierce He was a bit of a monster when it came down to his and his prosthetics and how he handled the people on set Apparently was not a very nice man at all and he The only person he was nice to was Boris Karloff because he was fucking terrified of him But Lon Chaney Jr. And him had massive arguments one being the makeup that he used for wolfman He just fucking hot glued fur to his face Like he just literally just that's how you got the effect of the wolf man was just through him What gluing shit to him so we got to the point where he actually got sacked in the end and then But Westmore becomes a makeup artist and that's why you get the story of but Westmore Okay, lagging about the makeup with creature from the black lagoon and He's lived off of that name because then Michael Westmore went on to do Star Trek Well, and then Mackenzie Westmore then big did she hosted me herself face off And it's the they've even got when I've been to Universal on the tours.

They've got the bad Westmore stage now So he's not he's not if he gets for all the Westmore's live live up that near me It's his brother who's the biggest star. He was part of clear He was part of the bigger movies, but it was a bit of a joke like him and the family didn't quite like him It's the brother that is then associated with Michael and Mackenzie But yeah, but but was easy stick like it's a book and the lady from the black lagoon written by Mallory O'Hara And it talks to the story of Millicent Patrick the lady who did actually create the concept art and the initial sculpture for creature And and it's a fantastic book of like discovery on her part to like about Millicent but also finding out more about herself as well It's such a fantastic book like she can me Kayla described it perfectly today She you're reading this book thinking that Mallory's sitting in front of you have an conversation Like that's how like how much it brings her in like you think you just talk like she's just talking to you And like I mean it's such a good book and it's so fascinating to go down but Jack Pea's He there's hundreds of documentaries on him But his legal is the starting point of how why you have the likes of Rebecca and Tom Savini is because of Jack Pea's it's not it'll never be bud Westmore. That's a fucking show Dark undertone about universal There's a lot of horror stories. Yeah, the most of people you've worked in Universal like this multiple Really quite abusive directors James whale or why Michaela made sure I wanted to mention James whale as well because he's watched 11 monsters recently And it's really really quite sad.

So you took a Serious dislike and bars call up because he came off in us. Yeah, the film became bars call off the front design I don't think it's a brand the time doing a third movie. Yeah Bars colors like made me into this back anyway It was not a huge back issue and there is a scene where you have to keep picking a guy and throw it He just kept doing it was like do it again. I can't do it again Do it again and they check the reels the first one was what I'm doing I didn't make you hurt.

Yeah, you took my fin If you watch 11 monsters, it's the story of James whale It's from the point of his he's he's a sick man Isn't he's it like as in poolies physically pooly and and it's his relationship with a gardener who actually is Brendan Frasier and gods and monsters Yes, I'm on something like that. You said a month is now I was just like that's it. That's a corner. That's Sorry, but yeah gods and monsters and it's got sorry Michaelan is James whale I've watched the first half of it and only stop because I went to pick up and I totally forgot I was watching it like other things came up and I really I'm Michaela's watching all the way through instead.

It's fantastic like a really fantastic movie just when Brendan Frasier is phenomenal in it Like up again, yeah Oh, yeah, yeah Brendan Frasier is one of the most Gentlemenly gentlemen and I met him when he was before pre Oscar when he was in his dip and Genuinely one of the most nicest men you ever meet just just thought about that because I don't get Your stories like when I think the last episode he was like I've seen this person. Yes, I'm this person Yes, it's like just jealousy just flew into me. It's like the dark side coming out there But yes, Brendan Frasier is like absolutely lovely kind of thing and so beautiful like especially in gods and monsters It's this idea and he is a beautiful man like he still is now, you know, you know, you see him He's what I'm a bit wait, but you're still gorgeous like you still you know But like James Whale is a very troubled character because obviously very closeted game Well, I think it was like an open secret in the industry But then the fact of like I mean in the end he committed suicide, didn't he like is you know, he was a very troubled person and what a bastard I know you had reasons for being a bastard to everyone however Jack Pius was probably he was an asshole to everyone butch Boris Karloff and it was because he was fucking terrifying He was scared of that money And he said with him when it came to his prosthetics he thought of him and not anything else like he had to be comfortable in it Because he was going to be working in it and he had a totally different outlook on a kid the logic any junior I don't know why you wanted to punish that man, but he did It was a lot of controversy with the mummy so I can't remember names when it comes to the mummy but the guy who did the mummy had a serious issue with the men, female actress In their like wording for her opinion was like she was this game But this film didn't work Stereical she's in there And it wasn't and she knew it was gonna happen. She heard everyone basically talking on the break by and say because maybe goes down You're gonna take the brunt.

She invited him off the third dinner And he asked to directly tell he's like you're away. You don't have to do a top-of-seam by the way Expecting to kind of recoil and can't go no one okay. No in the sense as one of a loud at any way Yeah, in the end she's only credited as And she is the top of these secondary actors even more she is the only female of the film Wow Ringary what it basically anything went wrong. It's not made her.

Yeah, wow, which is crazy considering what I was gonna say is She is one of my favorite things out of all the movies like I absolutely adored her like she was you couldn't take your eyes off Like every scene she was in she steals the show so it's kind of nuts that they were like oh she's rubbish You're like are you watching the same film? She's more than no true. Huge occult fun as well. So she's in this movie about reincarnation how to genuinely believe herself in it They're all follow things that she was hugely passionate about It's always strange to read some stuff about just the always dark undertones.

Yeah massively It was big studio pushing out so I mean we hear it now about things like these It's all about them. It's while you're still happening. Yeah, you still had all these actors and are immense pressure like we have to be making We just might be comfortable if you're happy. Yeah If you go back over M silent movie stars and you sit there and open to the point where they'll get in the talkies They were knocking out nearly 200 to 400 movies in their career.

That's a lot of the movies Isn't it crazy though? Like I remember obviously we were talking about earlier the screaming woman from in this Who I know you obviously like her But I like Italy Ian was drawing in the background like well, I was watching these and he was like absolutely watching and then in the middle of the invisible man after that particular scene He's like oh fuck that fucking parent This one is like Your whole purpose seems to just to over act and it's like you can tell a gay man made this film because she's an ultimate right hand She is the ultimate like you know pantomime dame character. He's just going like oh god Did anyone else but no, no, we look like the way this time is we look her up on IMDB Oh god, she's been in like 400 Months apart. You're just like wow like nowadays.

It's like oh you've been in eight films at sea career made Yeah, as a character actress you were in like oh you signed up to universal cool. We'll put you in every single film every single week It's yeah, it's crazy the amount of work that they had to do all those gonna see is anyone They're watching him as well man not but themselves after that police officer. You walk through the door I I just love that everyone just ignores it But that was a thing or throw the movies like I know it's as well like the police force or like the detective inspectors were completely useless Like the police officer in the wolf hand was just him or it's down a hypnosis or people like mental health people thinking that the world So they come wolves and stuff like that was like Detectives there's tracks leading from the scene to the crime to the window or does that actually? Is like is this one of these things where we know the secret because we're the viewer and we've seen everything and we draw that ways But then they'd be like you don't really jump from crime to wolf man I don't make that logical jump that much They were actually the sintering doctoring doctors that you're not questioning my patient.

I am not questioning your vision He was actually listening to who the fuck are you to tell the policeman that he can't question a person It was ridiculous very good though with something So like to grim what was your like stand out favorite would you say? It's really never go. I'm gonna agree with sanny to be fair I think it like you know obviously I've bashed like a writer Frankenstein a bit which I love the mummy Um, I loved everything about the mummy especially her like she like that is I think like, you know You just go you were a beautiful woman like you know in terms of that like the the star presence It was a fantastic. Um, I really like that one Um, I really liked the picture of the black lagoon That's the one that's always stuck with me and the creature that sticks out in my head mostly probably even more than Frankenstein Which is weird.

I mean and it's great to see like you know, it's great to see like a pre-tarantino foot fetish movie as well The amount of like times the creatures just like And that scene when he's in on the boards and they've got him held captive and you can see he's ah, he's just above like He's not quite in the water. I was that is one of the most terrifying scenes I have ever seen in a movie I've ever seen in a movie. I've never seen that kid with shit Oh, yeah, it's not from this kid Oh, he's like, he's a what? I'm saying can't do a pollop.

Yeah It was ridiculous the cage but the actual just the calmness of the whole board itself and just him with his eyes Just above the water. I say fuck that. Not a chance It's a weird setup as well considering like all those stereotypes that we've seen feature the black lagoon has like the main cast and they're joined by like I don't know like the um like the male equivalent of the cheeky girls who get killed pretty good You have a tiny short stone there And then what is it? And then what is it?

Mexican Colonel Sanders and it's a really weird kind of team that they have there But um, but no, creature at the back isn't isn't my favorite when I was watching them back. I'd say it was probably wolfman Like wolfman even though I dislike the main character I think he's but acted wonderfully but the writing is one of these things where this it irks me a little bit because it's so So realistic and it's so all the time but wow what a beautiful film like a flow of it the atmosphere It's so gothic it's so Oh, it's beautiful like all of the like sort of smoky sort of like air forest scenes and stuff like that Although like yeah, he's a telescope pervert where he's basically spying it, you know what that ever worked like has a room if someone said Oh, yeah, I've been staring through your bedroom window. You're like, oh, how charming I had to be first she was engaged as well. So yeah, that was a bit of an enemy He's looking all it really is like he just turns up and he's just like, you know, he's like, oh, I'm engaged No, you're not And then like, you know, and then what's the scene where he's like, uh, oh well, let's go for a date I'll pick you up at 8 p.m.

And she's like, no, and he's like, well, I'll be here at 8 p.m And she's like that's not how this works And then and then she leaves she like it's the most in the cell thing in the entire world But basically she leaves work and he's there and she's like oh, that's nice to go here He's like come on time broad days and then a friend turns up and he's annoyed me like I No, but but either way It did it on me but um but like I I thought it was really brilliant like the way that it sort of had reveals and stuff So obviously get to cane with the silver handle he kills the wolf and then later it's revealed Oh, so the kills was and also we have this obsession in popular culture like silver Bullet's killing werewolves where it's not it's a cane that that's that blew my mind that when I was like, oh my god, it's the cane It's I think it's absolutely brilliant. It's like it's just yeah I actually loved it because you had all the crazy stuff like always something that was a bit weird Because doesn't he get trapped in a bear trap and it just limp away and you're like no He squirms around around a lot. He doesn't think we got a thing to eat I don't obviously he's obviously in a very manic state to start with but at the end of the day He's still got a human shape. So he kind of kind of like just go Like the woman actually does in the end for him But obviously you know he rides around a lot on the floor and it doesn't actually look like he's what's trapped in it either If you look at a closely, it doesn't really look like it's there I mean, I genuinely love it like you know, Beyla Like go see like absolutely he's literally in for five minutes And just like you are amazing and iconic and I love I love his mum like the gypsy fortune teller And yeah, she was she was wonderful And the problem is I've been colored by the other films because as soon as I saw her I was like, oh no, you're gonna be the crazy bitch of this well, aren't you?

She was like so calm like almost too calm. There's someone who just lost that soon. She was she was all right with this Yeah, and although I think I was not a horrible trend or people being given pendants to protect themselves and then just Like, give it a little bit of money. We're gonna embody the Mummy words like hey, this is all protecting No, why am I?

Going back to the like the wolf on as well like the film and other as well It wasn't just the practical effects and then all we do give a lot of shit to like the CGI aspect now But CGI of the day like the thing the Pentagon been on Saying on the hand and something disappearing like that type of effects like in them dears like as we said before There'll be someone cutting out the film like actual the rails and stuff and adding stuff to it Or even drawn it on and types I think a lot of it was very similar to what they did with star wars They painted a lot of the backgrounds if you watch regular. Yeah, you'll see it in Dracula That was the first time I mean, I noticed it in the hunchback a bit but it was more it seemed more prevalent in the shots where I ran fields traveling in the coach And you see all the mountains beautifully drawn in the background, but you know with today's eyes You know that they're drawing it, you know that paintings and they do it something very similar I can't remember which one it was I watched and it is a recurring theme because I know slightly deviating a little bit But when Hitchcock first started doing that when he did the birds there was a lot of layering And he was doing it there So it's he's borrowed techniques from that and then stars in the 70s and still boring techniques from 30s It is one of those things that the art guys don't get enough love because you don't question it You just go that's what that is and they've done their job. They've done their job, you know, but yeah I do think there's a huge um, they're very under praise should we say because the work they do makes you think that that's supposed to be there and it is there and it's So yeah, yeah, it was probably filmed like obviously else to you or whatever We're just these like a sound stage and then you're like, oh, I really thought some of this was done on location Like no, no, we just made this massive cave and you're like, oh you mad that's it That's what like the point I was making before about like the young kids not even saying courses So trying to get in the sea of black white movie and appreciates like the work that goes in to like these movies and like If you look at it now, if you saw like what up to a mon dea film you think Arts cheesy as fuck Well, if you've put it back to like basically when it was filmed Imagine going to the cinema and saying these these movies for the first time like going back to Like a previous episode that down was on we're talking about movie deaths and I will talk about the Wizard of Oz Saying the Wizard of Oz for the first time blew my tiny little mind as a kid So going to the cinema saying these like I said the creature of the black Goon doing the water scene would have just been hypnotizing to see what I say I'm I'm changing into a wealth of one fuck. I'm not going out in a way like that's the George effect I'm not going in the sun.

I'm not going to say I'm not going out on a full moon You can understand why people were crazy back in the day is this the Younger audience now obviously it's been happening for a while has always been Times where the try to come back to the Universal's so reason always go wrong They never get past more than one or two films before this sort of collapsed back out of it It's a mice on his tent Obviously knows that we've got every depiction of stuff around the house Weirdly Van Helsing terrible movie terrible I love how we're all in a dream It's so good to get across to a ten year old universal monsters because they're all in there Not the best versions but to a ten year old this also looks really cool. It's great. I know these like he'll sit and talk for you I know who they are because he watches this film on repeat as well. I catch all the time It's really stuck for him I've shown him the old Universal's and he can as a ten year old coach gets it Yeah, probably not the appreciation you will have when he's older for it But this Redo's of them It's probably one of the most iconic films of its time Celebrate this movie.

It's like a holy grail It's a sexiest movie ever It's generally probably one of the only remakes that's worked Like the Tom Cruise piece of dog shit was a piece of dog shit And never should have been made just because I had Tom Cruise in it, you know It's not a thing where they're just like it's it's a factor of like it didn't have any spirit It didn't have any comedy. It just didn't work. There's a bread and fridge of one. It's like going This is a reimagining in the style of day the same way that like John Conte is the thing is Totally different to their thing from the other world, but in In the context of the 80s.

It worked like amazingly. I mean Circular worked but that was not the universal Dracula. No, that was like a romantic It was a yeah the book adaptation even though it was mostly based on the book, you know, um, so really I think There isn't much success in reboots because even the wolf man with um Anthony Hopkins and Benice Edetotora Yeah, yeah, oh, is it not what I was actually gonna watch that Not But like in my opinion the first the one we've been talking about Compared to that that is it's new ideas on an old film basing it in an old time oldy. Well, be time frame.

It doesn't work They don't have that yeah that thing that the universal monsters have yeah, I don't know what it is. I'm biased though Going back to the Tom Cruise one because I did want to actually touch on that because I got very excited when the announced like the dark universal universe at the work Like the plan and like everything was gonna be in the connection because it was after the Avengers Avengers came out So the like universal this was gonna be there like ten Paul that the whole thing But it was just a choice to start with the mummy and start with like Tom Cruise as as the protagonist It was just like a weird type of element if you watch it The middle of changes and like you see again to try to be progressive and entertaining but this overall story didn't work But I think one thing I did lack was it was wasn't fun. It was too serious where If they start with something like the invisible man or start something like like Like one way to get a little not to say a little bit of humor a little bit of empathy towards where that one It was kind of like It's not a monster movie. It's a Tom Cruise movie So that took the element away where we're big I think they had Angel and Nili Jorli cast as the bride Apparently Johnny Depp was gonna be in it as the invisible man.

Russell Crowe was uh Dr. Jettlyn Hyde I think yeah that one I would be intrigued by that one to be fair because he started he did start to pull that off in there Didn't he it was alluded to or it was said in the in the I can't say it, but you know, um, um, Sminds monogies Jesus himself that really yeah, it was alluded to that he was in that But I would be intrigued by that because we the jekyll and Hyde element League of gentlemen managed to do something And the CGI was absolute. I'm gonna say again dog shit, but it was of its time, you know and poor Jason Oh Jason. Oh, when you get to my new restaurant, I'm gonna get this in a one that my little one Understand these characters through like a kind of more action based.

Yeah. Yeah The visuals for Hyde, I don't hate because I do like the transition factor is it literally snaps in the room like the pain factor of seeing the sound I think for a It's okay. Um, he does really well playing the character and you know visible man. I absolutely love in that There's some hell of a jokes about him Sean Connery spot like realizing he's in the room and just so it's happened by the neck He's like next time you've got some clothes on before you So where this guy is naked stood behind him I think it's really although that the leet side I let you speak so y'all He's like I don't really know it by that because I was a fan of the uh the visual novels of the League of Excellence Gentlemen and obviously the Yeah, they did just make it into a monster movie, you know like and it's a factor of like obviously Sean Connery's character Isn't the main guy like Alan Gordon main isn't the main guy in the actual things?

It's actually mean as the main like character and then in this one They were like I mean I love that the first novel you don't realize who she is She's just called me now and then you just go and then the big reveal later on is oh fuck your meaner harker Like you're actually a vampire and then and then in the movie they just immediately go Oh, that's me the heart gets used to vampire and she's gonna be the exact same as we're back You're like this is good and awesome But I think that's exactly what you're saying Jessica about how nowadays they just go this needs to be bigger Yeah, what you were saying earlier about the the old house The old house did I call that I'm turning into chicken seeds this old That was a different monster movie Which is really weird The context of most of those guy we get at stars anyway Really? Double denim to top it all off That's the worst one However, we're talking about them being theater productions And I think that's why you can't make these universal monster movies the way that we have them because they go There is three sets there's three sets for like most of them Where you just go hey Frankenstein you literally have the village like you know the castle a village I've seen and then the lab And you know, only like five characters pretty much and nowadays you couldn't do that You would have to be like oh it needs to be a big cityscape and it needs to have all these things all these explosions mistakes need to be Far higher like like the invisible man has high stakes where but then there are rich ships where he's like We'll take over the world with this reign of terror by Pissing people off randomly and you're like he's like oh kill a couple of people I'm like well, it's gonna be slow progress at least you know like we're not talking like genocide Shanking a couple of people With the invisible man That sounds like a TV show shanking with the invisible man with their prisoner self-locking h with a invisible man I've gone off on one but like League of X or any gentleman I it pissed me off But because it was like a great way of by paying homage to the universal monsters But in a kind of left field way and then the film kind of just went Ah fuck it monsters, you know, but it was like they just they stuck everything and they didn't like Dorian Gray you had Um, it was it was basically just every literary monster or hunter that they could think of just went into this movie And I don't think they gave enough character enough time Um like you say it was just so like blast over but I mean it's the same as we are with DC movies, you know Whether that's why I was gonna say oh, you know, I'm Marvel went like hey We'll have some individual films like Iron Man and then we'll have you on someone DC's just like no We'll start with a bloody justice league and then it's like What is this I bought who did you know? But the kids that's that's why it's gonna be exceptionally hard to keep these movies prevalent to a younger audience because kids are At a point where they've been spoon fed Marvel movies. I love Marvel movies.

Don't get me wrong I think they are fantastic for the show and they are and they've done wonders for cinema and comic books and comic-con's personally Yeah, it works Yeah, what what it's done is created this bombardment in an hour to two hours of just constant action Something is always happening so to sit a kid down and get them to watch something like Dracula or like Frankenstein with this Like you say there's so many silent scams and not a lot happens for a while They'll get bored and walk off while they'll be on their own because they need that constant stimulation because that's all they've enforced for it So it's did to me a lot. Sorry. These ones like obviously to two others like they're you know, they're like a terrible or slark They were money-making quick grab for me the out, but I do find it sets the precedence for these kids I know it has like say the mind because it was a case of seeing this and I was able to show in bars color I'm in trouble and you can spot it anywhere you go to that friend's time. Yeah It was explaining all these characters came from different books and say So there's other stories.

I was like there is other stories I was like you've got something like King Solomon's minds which if I try to handle what he probably throw at me Be not to get that across it. It's like this isn't just me like you know, I would know where this all comes from a base logic That when you want to dip back in we can pull that look off the shelf You can look into it more And I think in the same sense as any of us will be something we all saw as a kid That's like that starts this kind of movie obsession That's before this but it's it's that starting marker. Yeah Get like universal and litry monsters across the kids is these kind of weird little budget Kids it computes to them. I think it's done accessibility as well now because like anyone can like well it is now where Content is basically available for anyone's and you can get anywhere where back when I know this is gonna say back in the good old years And it wasn't that easy to get pulled off like content off movies or tv stores So anything that you kind of that was good or kind of tin and you kind of gravitated towards and held on who Yeah, and like used to record in the year chess like you make sure you got Yeah, as much as you could and that's where like say my love of horror came in because I couldn't get that much Horror so when I get to get it was like a big kind of like a celebration or a big kind of like oh This is this is something I can dig in and watch.

Yeah, well now if I just wanted to watch it Like if I said or fancy watching a Freddy Krueger movie I wouldn't have to go to block wasters or we get the sky guy don't see when it was next on I would just turn on the face they can type in Freddy Krueger or an L street And it was the same of these type of movies because he used to be on a BBC one BBC two I've run about 11 o'clock to two o'clock in the morning on a Friday night Because for some reason Friday night she used to be the horror nights when we were kids All year or The weekend We could always walk we yes Still time I'm not there yet And can I just go back to what Dan was saying earlier about piers about you know how we're the kids are so all the simulated with You know model movies or even action movies today. I've got her admit I had it took me a long time to slow down To actually be able to accept the pace of it because I I love old movies I watch quite a lot of them not like horror like I watch a lot of marilla movies and gene hollow movies and Although here with which their their pace is what you would expect when it came to these movies I would with it being horror. I was like Want like I needed to move along, but I kind of appreciated How slow it took us to get there. I think I found a new appreciation for patience Does that make sense?

I'm not a patient person Um, I wanted it, you know, if I press the button I want that button to react now not later I think that solidifies obviously why universal is so iconic because realistically these movies should not work to go and watch now Hold up. You can still appreciate the sheer amount of work that went into films like this They would be really intelligent with their choices Yeah, haven't you they're quite short movies as well. They're not exactly really that's like now Why I knew I would get a lot in this weekend I'm not much information into with not a lot to work with it So you didn't have major special effects you couldn't have everything blowing up all the ones because I think you're inside it's gone You went to the camera on Now we can set the ring on fire because you don't need it anymore You don't need it anymore Wait, you haven't turned the camera on? Oh, damn it.

You don't need no windmill You don't realize you're watching a masterclass of acting as well You're literally watching these guys like masterclass you and how how acting is brilliant How to hold a room, isn't it? That's why I find it so sad that legosi died penniless I mean to this he died in a flat in California in LA and Frank Sinatra paid for his funeral I knew his funeral I knew his son and one of his ex-wives was that because he never requested to be buried in the in the key Yeah, I made that decision for him. Yeah, and thinking that that's what he would like and I did not know Frank Sinatra paid for his funeral He was so sad because the whole Italian connection there. Yeah I'm not sure if he's a he was a mafioso or not, you know part of the mafia But apparently Frank didn't like the idea of him being in a porpoise grape So he wanted to make sure he got the burial that someone is standing deserved So Frank Sinatra paid for his funeral It's absolutely heartbreaking being the guy that started it as the films progressed they forgot about him He went back to doing it on stage and people practically laughing at him It was like he became the book of a joke that just was it should never have been They got that kind of attention as much about being able to do it with how Yeah, I think it's true with Frank Sinatra films where he appears as ego First hall of mixture that he got paid exact same amount that he got paid for that Maybe wasn't the main character and he took out a pure respect that this guy gets paid for properly We're not paying him next to nothing They always like to make a thing about their relationship that they're refusing with each other But they really really were not it was like anything further from the truth with them too And I know his family had a huge deal with Ed's Wood Edward D were doing the apps that they they thought he they thought he kind of what's the way I'm looking for Oh, like, oh, I can't think of the words that we're using them And Ed was using them for money and using his name and everything When people on the other side of the argument were like what we got to remember a bit like we remembered him Through the X-like movies he did when he did plan nine from outer space And I think he did another one where he was just a voice in it But yeah, his family would not not happy with him at all And I can't think of the word that they used But it's crazy to think that like I didn't know that I didn't know Bella Lugosi died in the purpose grave And it's the same as like Tesla, you know, like Tesla died in obscurity pretty much And it's almost like capitalism is a pile of shit You know, it's almost as if Like, hold on, can we just change the filter to be read and I'll go into a big monologue Can you get into that now?

You get into your softbox? I'll get into my softbox No, but that's just that's terrifying, but I love that respect I did not know about Bella Lugosi in action there, but that's that's beautiful that he got in paid What he deserved to be paid I love that I think this is why we find it at the moment And it's the way that actually we've got to run for a reason Yes, it's coming into context for all of this, but yeah, so my friend for a reason Unfortunately, blacklisted from Hollywood for a major amount of time Obviously through a horrible case as well And this thing that now he's backing everyone to the such box No one's to see that happen again, no one's to see someone so iconic It's so much He allowed to be pushed out in more and out to get to know all of it He didn't do that anymore, yeah, the fans won't allow it I mean the Oscars obviously is just kind of proven that What he thought, she just couldn't I think it's a change now, which hasn't what's special with Hollywood All the big stars and stuff The nice guys like always did finish last like the nice guys used to get pushed out It's always like you had to be a Belind or a Twat or a Christian Beel to get across To get anywhere No, it's not just a change though, I mean these ones, they're the ones that get called out We didn't want to film this anymore, we just couldn't do it Everyone's sick of it, everyone knows these awful, terrible human beings I think it's just a dragon so I'll be honest No, he's not that same Chris, Chris Oh, Chris, hi, he's a nice Chris Team America But isn't that terrifying though, we're talking like that took a hundred years Chris, we're talking about how badly the director treated the star in the Mummy And how badly we were treating Boris Karl-Oven so And it's this idea of going, oh we're finally getting to this and you wonder if it sticks but Hollywood is Great, Jim's camera still works as well so We have a Diva's best of bastards basically That's Hollywood He's getting stry broke And lovely, never better than him I was trying to find in the Screen Actors Guild Putting in a bit of rights for actors, they couldn't be underpaid anymore They couldn't be made to be more inhumane working conditions and everything It was one of the biggest advocates for it, the respect, fact, to start to come in They're not just commodities, thrown around across studio sets That's the thing, yeah, because back in the day you couldn't just work for different studios or different films You were owned by your studio, so as we said in Universal you could only work for your roles The roles that they probably did miss out on are just because they were conducting a blige to be like I have a universal MGM or like the big names back then It's amazing that they got away with that because it's almost like forced labor typing I'm not going to use S-word because I'm not bringing that all into it But it would be very simple I'm not saying that to him again I'm sorry, I said that Actually that's a bad word, doesn't it? But how scary is that though, they could control you in that way Because I was watching a documentary about Ben Davis about like last year And it was the idea of if you didn't do what the studio wanted you to do Then they'd be like, you're under contract, we're going to give you a shit part in this movie kind of thing We're not going to give the leading roles so you do what we tell you to do You be what we want you to be and it's like The chauvinism is insane like in terms of going, hey, oh you're not pretty anymore You play the old hand now and it's like oh and I'm in contract and I have to do this Or you have to buy yourself out of contract Which they never did, they never did it You don't corporate like pay off her contract so that you can work with somewhere else and then it all fell through and all that It all fell apart, something like that And you know, and be remails in Saigor, she was a Hitchcock girl contracted Hitchcock girl and they here to teach her that They absolutely here to teach her that and he kind of bumped her to the role that she plays in Saigor Which to as a her standard she shouldn't have been playing that secondary role And even her scream is not her scream It's replaced by Janet Lee's because he just didn't fucking like her And that was the last movie and it was almost like he really put like an A.M. estate on her name Because she was so big up until the point and Saigor was going to be huge And it was but he knew it was going to be massive and he knew having her in a secondary name was just like fuck you Did you ever see what he did to be Hedren though?

I mean that was I mean I know we're going off course this lightly But it's more about the fact that Hitchcock at that point had such an ego And the things that he put her through throwing live birds at her constantly until they like scratched her And he told her to be real And he would say to her you know if you don't do this you'll never work in Hollywood ever again And like she was she was either married and she was having children or just had a kid or she was getting married I know there was something going on and he did his damn best to try and split her and husband up Or her husband to be up because he was so obsessed with her to a level that was disgustingly And he did it with all of them apart from Janet Lee Yeah, it's tough when we're talking about Hitchcock's song The wording always is basically any leading lady had to sleep with them to be bleeding You know Or to the ladies are blondes and one of the weird sort of underlying context with it was it's been a long time Pointing down trying to get around the wrong film She's downright confused because she knew that was the thing you had to do because I will never do it And it's weird if you go back and watch and you can see it He was trying to get anyone as close as possible in Maryland if he had some kind of insane obsession No he was never getting out of it But yeah he was so genistic Hugely horrific person And it's all really bad because it's like Conquered with this point in horror but it's really like hard to enjoy it Because I'm kind of like We have this so much though where we have these things where you're like oh like music artists We just like oh god they're horrible but I love this like I can make my music DJs like oh can I not play lost profits anymore? Oh absolutely We do know like stuff like that and you just got oh gosh But the time back to Universal it's the fact that like hit shot by the arrogance of him coming out at the beginning of his films And having this big monologue of all the stuff you mentioned Which is the Universal film when they do that where it's like it's not They did it Frankenstein Yeah, they talk about it. I love that. I love that It's sort of like and is it weird though that they're just going like this is a monster movie you might be shocked I love that.

I think everything is like that right? Even like a prior warning Yeah, we should start without saying monologue It's like some of you might be frightened Some of you might be shocked But going back to the Universal horror of the film What movie would you say scared you the most as a kid? Because mine was the mummy when I first saw the mummy I was absolutely terrified like to the point where I didn't watch the movie all We're through And none of them scared but create a free to me out for the reasons I mentioned earlier, but nothing's like truly scared is scared is I think it's of the time though Isn't it? I mean if you were around in the 20s and 30s and you had the expendable cash to be able to go to the cinema and see These kind of things because only the upper class people would have done back then You know fancy Did you know they were called a big audience?

Yeah, they paid a I did not know that I was like oh my god, I've just learned a thing But yeah, I mean it would have been a certain extra on a person that was a privy to watching Yeah such a thing and you know like when you see the when they did the premiere of the Exorcist in 70 something They people were fainting and passing out because it was unlike anything they'd ever seen I imagine to a degree those people that watch those original films like you try and analyze it from the point of view that You're watching a film about a crazy man who's determined to build the perfect person out of dead bodies And he goes to a cemetery digs them up. He sews them together He he gets it struck by lightning and makes this reanimates all these corpses into one huge giant man And that's unlike anything any of them would have been known unless said read the book Which I was amazing that Mary Shelley didn't have a pen name she didn't go under a male pen name No, she stayed with being a female get a book published in 1816 That's when it was around then it was early 1800s, you know I mean you get it from that point of view that when itself was a huge thing I'm trying to switch at some point But you know I imagine that when you went to see Frankenstein and they came out and they said oh this will be a terrible movie You're kind of watching such a thing with such fragile women in the audience, you know I imagine they were being very much like oh, I can't watch this is absolutely frightful You know and I wish I had those eyes to be able to go back and see those things for the first time We're a hand-been spoiled with so much choice. Yeah Yeah, just constant fodder that you've got so much knowledge of movies and movies that have been before and past This is the first time they could potentially be singing something like this ever And that's not right my head around that what that would feel like because we can imagine things when we read novels We have the back catalog of movies and just we know how Reanimating a corpse is gonna look in our heads because we've got the prior knowledge of it But reading that book for the first time and thinking how did they do that? You know that possibly done that and then to see it translated into a movie and then actually thinking oh my god This is possible someone who is crazy could actually do something like yeah, they can't but you know in 1931 when they make the film Probably not I think it's on mute But yeah, I'm not saying anyway, but there'll be a youtube tutorial coming soon or something for like It'll be the next TikTok fucking fashion, you know I'm gonna be reanimating corpses on this 30 second TikTok That's what I was gonna say earlier though like the idea of when we're talking about the context nowadays It's like everyone has shorter attention spans now like kids like I remember showing like someone who's a lot younger than me Like a French and Saunders sketch as an example of like comedy and they were just like oh, it's so slow Oh, it's so you know and it's because it's like nowadays it needs to be bang bang bang like TikTok style And I don't get that I'm like there's no setup.

There's no payoff There's no it's literally just a stupid thing and then it's over but um, but no like what you were saying there like how scary it is That Mary Shelley is credited in Frankenstein like as her husband so she's misses on the credits I'm isn't she doesn't she come up where basically misses whatever husband is you're like even then they're refusing to acknowledge But the bride they use her in bride they use her name because even though even though bride doesn't technically Exists as a Mary Shelley book it was alluded to in the book towards the end and then they free-bald this whole Frank bride of Frankenstein story fun, right? I think film opens and lovely because it's actually Elsa as well playing Mary Shelley by their sack and I was loved the scene because there's something kind of cute about the All thing of like her terrorism in their friend Yeah, your last story was so good How did you do it? Come on? You must have another one for us and then they just sort of sit down like kind of like What's that cute side like I want to buy the fire?

I'm gonna tell you a little story The mind's actually young woman as well, you know she was 19 I think when she wrote out. She was very very young so for something that fucked up to come out of a 19-year-old woman in the Eight hundreds brain she would have been committed. I don't know how she wasn't and that's not me being It's just for the time Friends were not just you know So it was the idea of like all of them when it just going, is they, I've forgotten that, because the tale is obviously that they challenged each other to write a horrible story and they each wrote like something horrible and some of them, you know, and they're equally iconic, but Mary Shelley, like not that, but I love that it's in the brighter Frankenstein. That scene at the beginning is almost I saw it as like an apology for them belittling her or not giving her the acknowledgement she deserved in the first one.

Then they're like, actually, we're gonna make sure that you know who Mary Shelley is. And you know that this was done by a woman because in terms of literature, like you're saying, she didn't have a pen name, she's, you know, and it's fucking out. Like, you know, a woman's like writing one of the best stories about fucking Man's World with a Dine, you know. The old's like, I like, sort of something really clever about it.

So the, because they were talking with like, telling you to cast it, like now you get it at the end, but we're gonna stop. Else is listed as being Mary Shelley. And then it's when it brings up and the bride is just a bunch of your question marks, which I love because like you've seen her at the start and it's not till the end, you kind of go, hang on a second, I recognize this. It's the same actress, like, it's one of the weird kind of, I was like really clever, where they didn't look like throwing you off.

Didn't they not credit for us, Halloff in Frankenstein? Yeah, but what it did was a question marks on was it just, I don't know if he's not credited for it. I think it's just thoughts, I think it was the monster it said. And then just thoughts.

Wasn't that the joke that was meant to be part of the person? So I kind of got that as like a joke, like their type of humor, because like the monster wouldn't be one actor would be part of it. On how are parts of everyone else? And for the past.

Yeah. For instance, he hadn't really done a lot of the times. He wasn't like a huge name. He just, they spotted him like, this is, because they could never work out how would they want to do the monsters to look?

So I think the longest time to make this film is they could not get it right. And I'm sure it's his, he was at the studio, and something else and someone spotted him and I need to sit him in a child. Like his face is perfect. The building from that, it's like a stroke of luck for him, because his career was teetering on the verge of not acting anymore.

Right. And it happened when the premiere didn't even invite him to the premiere. Really? He was not acknowledged to be there, because it was a case of just the guy who was just the monster.

Like you're not the main actor. Yeah. It was a huge mistake for you and everyone's kind of like, no, we want to know who this guy is. There's the guy.

Yeah. And it's wild because like the biggest name of the universe, like everybody knows what it's called for. At first, I'm thinking normally, yeah, you just haven't to look right. That's it.

And then you get to see how amazing he is as an actor in the mummy, where like I loved him in the mummy, like it's like a blow. Yeah, well, you know, the close-up of his face and stuff, it's so dramatic. It's so wonderful. But like, yeah, I don't think people would have the attention span for these films now.

Like, but like, but the same you're saying about like, what was called up and how iconic he is there. And like the same as Bella Lugosi in Dracula, because one of my favorite scenes is probably the most boring scene for a kid nowadays, which is the Battle of Will's with Anne Helsing. I absolutely love that because it's effectively just two people serving each other. And you know, like, you know, step back.

Yeah, that's it. And he's just like going like, it's so good, though. Like, and I love that the film makes bad housing a likable character. I see him.

But no, I'm not even sure if it goes into Universal or not. I have to try this one. It's a film called White Zombie. It is.

I think it is. It's Bella. Yes. It's definitely Bella Lugosi.

And I believe it is. I'm going to Google it while I've got it open. I do believe that White Zombie is universal and positive. There is a scene in it.

And like, I remember just saying it as a kid, because I remember it sort of. I don't know. There's something we're going to know about now. Look, it's nothing.

It's a female character sat in like a little cabin. And it comes to the window and this guy is just staring at her. And the light does that being thing across. It's like his entire eyes are white.

There's nothing in them. And he's, you know, people like Dead Set Face just staring at her. And the camera stays there for quite a bit. And so I was watching these really young.

Sometimes maybe about six, seven, eight year old to see her watching these films. And that one came about and it was one was like, can we turn this one off? I don't know. I don't like it.

Like that's, you know? I think that was the same with the mummy as well. Like when I was a kid, it was just, because it's nothing terrifying, but it's just uncomfortable. Like, I always love, again, when you watch movies now, everything's so fast paced and going up like 90 miles an hour.

But everything was so slow and methodical and thought out. Even like a creature, I was pissed myself laughing like on a boat. And it's got this big seven foot monster who's created a boat and like, like, like, you can miss it even as well. Then he's like, be able to get around this walk once.

Oh, good. Well, um, he just did that. We can work out what, like animal that was supposed to be. Because people watching it last night, the creature, and I kept going to the other half.

What animal is that? It went, it sounds like a strangle. And we would just like, it couldn't work out what that was. Because usually you can go, oh, that sounds like a lion.

Or it's, you know, and it didn't even sound catlike. It had such a strange like, I don't know, but you know, it's an animal and you know, you can't put your finger on it. Yeah. It didn't sort of suit the creature though to me.

Like, it was like, yeah, it was nice. It was a bit weird. We're talking about, we know we were talking about remakes earlier and how they've not worked. Did you not think the shape of water was kind of a good one for creature?

Or do you not see that? Just because it's not a universal. It wasn't a universal. There was a retelling, but they've done the story of the creature from the back room.

So many different times, they've had it in Buffy, they've had it in supernatural. It is a staple by things. So that elements will always be still, like a day to fish man being too weird. And from his elements and swarming starts, I'm going to push it in the fish, but still.

I'm going to dump it out of the beast. I'm going to dump it out of it. I mean, and that ex-files episode, you know, the amazing worm man ex-files episode in season two. Yeah.

That is terrifying. And I see that as like an adaptation of Black Lagoon. I think we should have a lot of it was interesting. It still has all the base logic.

But it's like a refined stealth aura as well. So he has this whole thing, all the fairy tale-esque. Yeah. It's always like a kind of word.

Like a blueprint of his films, and it's on the fairy tale aspect. What I'm really interested by is because it's not possibly the universal, like what wasn't really. But he's coming in now with the point of due version of Frankenstein as well. Yeah.

Because this is what he wanted to do with it. The reason you have the shape of water for us is he went to Universal, went, I want to do a creature from the Black Lagoon, and they went, absolutely not. You went, right? No problem, that's a year later, in the shape of water.

So we'll do exactly the same thing. White Zombie was filmed on Universal's lot. Right? It wasn't exactly a Universal movie.

It wasn't their production. I don't know. I'm not saying they cast Andrew Garfield, didn't they? And he's talking about Andrew Garfield.

He saw the limbs that floating that he's looking at, Andrew Garfield definitely, me a goth as well, which I get to think he will be the bride. The spoons. Who's me a goth? The deltor of her looking sort of skewer, she's a screw up woman.

It fits she's kind of a few of his version of the obscure bride. Yeah. Me, with the original, not conventional. Oh, yes.

I know who you mean. She had a baby the Shilah Booth. Who was that? Yeah.

She did. The first thing that came up was this. The first thing that came up was partner Shilah Booth. M.

I think that's the point. I think that's the point. Yeah. I can definitely see Andrew Garfield as the scientist that's like actual Frankenstein.

I can see that and being literally a Scoundro Garfield can't do no wrong. So it'd be quite an interesting take. I don't know if it was, I don't know what you want to class as. The one where you had James McAvoy and Harry Potter, Gombe, Daniel Radcliffe, as Igor, Igor.

That wasn't bad. I didn't hate that. I know they were like side bar stories. And I'm intrigued about Renfield.

That's going to be a shit show. Yes. It's always a bit. It's going to be terrible in everybody.

It's going to be terribly fantastic. If I was doing the shadows to me, I'm like, is this the story of being sitting in what we're doing the shadows with well more and none of? I'm like, it feels like the last thing. Yeah.

That's it. That's it. That's it. But I'm...

I take my chances, you know. I would love it. I would love it. I would say if anyone's seen the kind of Brenner version of it, it's just make a while as well.

I think if you're going to do a re-advention of Frankenstein again, it's all about the monster. You can have the best act as well. That's where the James McAvoy one fell apart from me. The monster was overdone on CGI.

Just take it back. Similar practical effects do work. Like, make the body parts look disjointed. But you can do emirs and things and approve it with these movies that they don't have to be like these CGI spectacles.

I'm so not asking it. It's tough though. Like, what is Frankenstein? Because the fact is there's only different ways you can take it.

And I think the original novel where you're basically talking about, because it's a fairly religious novel, or basically science getting out of hand and man sort of overstretching is reach kind of thing. And also the, you know, can you bring life? You know, you can even make an abortion sort of like story of the idea of bringing life into the world that you don't know how to deal with and you know, you don't care about because the creature is bad because he's treated bad. Like, you know, you can do that or do you want to make it about the scientist and about his like...

It's about God complex to me. It's about one man who thinks that he's got this idea and it's eaten him alive. And so he sees if he can execute this idea, he will never rest. And once he does, and he realizes and he gets the clarity, instantly knows it was mistake.

He knew. You could just tell. I've achieved what I wanted, but this wasn't what I wanted. It's like lying.

You were saying about the God complex. I lied and he says, oh dear God, now I know how it feels to be a God. Yeah. And he kind of goes into this almost Catholic state.

Because he was... It goes on for quite some time before, because normally they're very good at cutting scenes very quick. Yeah. And moving on to the next one.

With that one, they leave it a little bit longer and you get to see like how much of a Catholic state he actually is in by what he has just done. Yeah. Has anyone gone through the Penny Dreadful series? No, but it intrigued us.

I only watched the first season. And I loved it. And I don't know why I did what season do. I've done it.

I've never done it yet. I've heard that twice on the monster and the bride. Mm-hmm. I've really interesting.

Yeah. The monster in that is closer to the original story of the... Him trying to understand human emotion and why people act the way the way people are already horrible. It is most just awful to that call.

The bride I thought. I think that my favorite version of the original. It was a very, very, very, very, very, very, very good. Rory Keneer, wasn't it?

Who played him? And it was Billy Piper. Who played the bride? Oh, interesting.

It was Billy Piper. A lot of people got... Oh, it's Billy Piper. That's the only thing.

It's the only thing. It's the only thing that I can do. It's the story context that I come about with her that I love is you get to see you Proteus is the second mid. Proteus and monster have their issues.

They're not quite perfect. She comes out, she puts so intelligently, so she is ahead of everybody in that. To even point the context of story, they're building up every woman in the city that's having been wronged and taken out like an army. Kill every man you find.

Yeah. Kill him. It's a brilliant story because they connect her into the grey with both of being a model. She looks at the monster like, you know, okay, you make anyone else.

She looks so weak. We're still crying on people. Like, we're bigger and better. We're completely rule the players.

It works well with Dorian because he's not arrogant. He's not arrogant. He's a dick. Now he's a fan of it.

Even Dorian, she's too much. She's too scary now. Like, there's nothing that will ever stop this woman. And she's picked up everything about them all.

How they'll use her because she's just an old woman. Wow. She's fantastic. I know that's the version I want to see.

You can all flesh that out. Yeah. Of course, the thing I was going to ask is, well, because with this thing, as I said, if they're going to do a new Frankenstein Del Toro version, would you want them to be standalone movies or do we want to make the dark universe as what was promised before? Do you want to make the interconnected, like the Marvel experience, shall we say?

No. No. Leave it alone. Leave it alone.

It's only hard to interconnect a bunch of characters that were not all written by the same person. You've got to somehow crowbar them together. It's all about some crap story of what we have to band together now. And it's like these guys are written so separate to each other.

Why? Why? I'm not going to be playing any great ones because they've got a talk about, like, around kind of having like a cup of tea. What context can they ever have a conversation about?

Do you have a little letter? The only thing that's worked in is a monster squad. Yes. Only friends.

You've been able to get those key characters. You've got the Gilman. You've got the Franklin's monster Dracula. You've got a monster Dracula.

You've got a monster. It's got nah. Yeah. So that's the only film I think, because it was done in a satirical way in like, the universe of When the Boonies and all that was coming out.

It was about 1987, 1988. I think that came out. They managed to shoot on them all in, but it worked because it was for kids. It was for Americans.

I just want to say I love you done for getting a goodie's reference in without Adam. I was just like, I'm just like, I didn't do it this time. Yes. I just thought one again, I don't know if it was universal after this, but the recent Invisible Man that we got.

Now what happened is I, after me in the end, watched all of these films all day, he was like, now, I want to watch a film that I like. No, no, no, but he basically said we're going to put the new Invisible Man on. And I love that. I thought it was all the way to Michaela said it was for the end.

It's genuinely amazing, but it did horrify me. It did actually genuinely freak me out. Like the bit where people all just get killed. Like, you know, like when the throat's sitting bits, I was just like, oh, I don't like this all.

But it points out like the Invisible Man is a basic spherical film to start with. Like, it's ludicrous where he's just like, oh, he took those to chemicals. And he went nuts. And now he wants to take over the world.

You're like, okay, this is a very odd concept. But there, you know, in the remake, it's going, no, think about how terrifying. Because everything, every horrible thing that you could do by being able to be invisible to someone is in that film. Yeah.

Yeah, I thought it was amazing. It was the middle ground born as well of Hollow Man. Yes. Doesn't that?

That's a creepy moment, isn't it? Oh, Hollow Man. Yeah. Because it's, you know, at first the reason why he's doing it is to actually to try and progress that work, like medically.

Yeah. He's again, he's a little more like a magic God complex that he can't wait. He just, he has to prove that he's done it. And he's only has, he doesn't say it all the time.

The codifying is kind of going to be famous again. You're never actually going to be whole, um, sensing the same. But how creepy is as well. It's become obsessed with Elizabeth's shoe, doesn't it?

Like bacon? Yes. I want to go to the hospital as a shoe to be fair. But it was the terrifying scene in it.

And it's all very alluded to what he said. It's just one we keep looking at. Yeah. Another one he likes to look for, when do I people?

Yeah. It's not meant in a good, good light, useful. But yeah, go on, but like, like the modern, modern type take, like the, like the domestic violence element to it really did get to me as well. Like, like, cause that's what men would use it for.

And like as a man's saying that it scares me to think like, if someone got that power, then it wouldn't be, would use it for them type of means. I can, and you can actually see, I'm the stories in the newspapers or even by talking to just your friends, like, even people getting like, I was being stalked by like, x's or stalked by people online, like with us being such an online presence now. Like people, like, harass us to a degree of times as well, which sounds weird seeing, but if people had them type of, like, I'm gonna say. After this.

No, no. I'll, I'll, I'll. You might just get some sense of stocks by Martin, but that's, that's a different story. And you wonder, you wonder if though that this is the way to adapt the universal films for the future where, like, like, we're saying the invisible man, like the original one, he gets megalomaniacs, you know, where's this one?

It's not the, the fact he's invisible in the remake, but not the newer one. That's like a plot device rather than the whole point of the film is about an abusive, like, m-stalker x. And then the invisible aspect is like, Oh, wouldn't it be horrible if he also could do this? Oh, I think that's the way he called.

Yeah, it's horrible. I do want to watch it. Michaela couldn't speak more highly of it today when we were talking about these films. And so I will give it a watch.

I will say though, but with the, the invisible man, I'm not the biggest fan of Elizabeth, whatever her name is from that. I'm not, I don't really, but she played it well. She played it like it's, it's a thought of, it's a common theme of the story, like you say, the stalker x that given the opportunity or the money could do whatever he likes. And that is a current issue that they've addressed with the loosely idea of the invisible man.

So I mean, I'm not opposed to them taking movies and reimagine in loosely based off the original idea. But as we all know, after the psycho debate, we had on the last one, a shop shop remake doesn't work for anyone. It's a pointless, absolutely pointless. So it's an ad something to it.

I'll give us something different. Yeah. You can tell the same story, just do it a different way. But doing a shot for shop, remake for these, like, like, I'll be honest, the endings would be the most unsatisfying endings to any movies.

As I've noticed, I don't know watching, I don't know if you guys watching a box. I've loved the movies until the end, because these guys can't, don't know how to end a film. That's been my takeaway for a lot of the wolf money. Like, oh, he's dead.

I've got the key in the end. Dracula, Spider-Hullson's, get on the stairs, the end. And it's the same thing. It's the same thing King, it's the same thing King's called of writing, isn't it?

Yes. I mean, I wonder though, I'm going to ask you, like, how would you adapt these in the context of what I'm saying about the invisible man for the modern day? Like, I would quite like to adapt Dracula, but make it about real estate. So make it about the hardcore world of the real estate, and then one of his clients is like, oh, he's wanting to buy this Abbey.

And he's like, you know, I think that'll be really the sole way of taking it. That'll be so busy. Yeah, like, no, but then like, they find out, like, oh, all these people are dying. What's that?

Oh, you sold the Abbey to this vampire. I don't know. I think it is now, yeah. Any sort of adaptation.

It's because obviously things have moved on so much over time. It's something to take a new perspective, like what would be the drive now? The original drives aren't quite the same. The last version of Dracula done by Steven Moffat.

Yeah, the remake just in Dracula with... Oh, that's a big B.C. one. Yeah.

The twist I enjoyed was the terminology of the fact that every time he fed, it gave him something from that person who's utilizing it. If he didn't just see anything, it's just something of a purpose I knew. People are seeing when they're on the boat. And he realized he is forgotten now how to speak, it's German.

He goes around the boat and he tries to work out right here, and this one speaks German, right? I'm going to take you. And within minutes he sits back down and says, well, speaking it perfectly. And also do his mind kind of purposeful.

And when he's been asked certain questions, he's like, I'm not. I'm not even a Jews. I'm not going to call for anything. It's very, almost had an elector of them to do that because that's why he was about taking the imperfections out of the world.

And he gave them the perfect. He gave them the perspectives of logic and putting them into the old characters that they would maybe, in some of them, make more sense now, some of them not because of the money. But I think the money was always going to be filmed just because the did the Brendan Fraser, which was basically a cross between Indiana Jones and the Universal. So elements like that will work.

I do think that probably is not movie wise. These would work as well. Probably Steve Esho is or, as you said, the Del Toro cabinet of Curiosity, I was like a universal, like even almost like a Twilight. Twilight's the one aspect I want to talk about.

As I did with the, you know, with the interview, see if someone introduced in the movie. So today we're going to the depths of the Amazon where we're doing a dig and what they were finding out was not what they were expecting. And then episodes is beautiful. It reminds me of Clash the Titans.

So there's what the pitch is going to be directed by and puts the figure down just so he's going to be reminds me of Clash the Titans, where he would lift the people off the wall and place. It was really good. And the idea of these little vignettes, like, you know, if you're wonderful to have these little one episode, things like, Oh, it's a Wolfman. Oh, it's like that.

That'd be great. And then you, and then if it landed well, then you could go, Hey, what if they met up or what if you know the Wolfman came across Frankenstein's monster or something. I'm doing a bright Frankenstein for a window with a tussle. So this has led me to this one question then.

If anyone could direct that kind of style, like a Twilight's Iron cabinet of Curiosity is like little small succession of movies like mini movies of the Universal Monsters. Who could do it? It has to be Del Toro. I don't think I can imagine anyone but Del Toro doing it.

I don't think I want to agree. Oh, yeah, I'm going to say Del Toro. Just for the way that these mind is with monsters. Del Toro would be good.

Like I said, Jessica said too much like a fairy tale and I don't want this piece to become fairy tales, but I'm no tales though, like stuff like the Wolfman and stuff like, you know, Frankenstein, they're almost like, like, folk tales like on screens. I don't know. But if you want to go with the man that's got like, I can't do anything wrong anymore Jordan Hale. No.

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No. No. to be weird if in 30 years time people are like looking at the Blomhouse movies like like you're like clashing and they're like conjuring and they're like oh they don't make them like this anymore like analyzing them and I genuinely think that might happen people might be like conjuring too being like oh cinema masterpiece no if i'm dead in 30 years i'll come back and walk those people back to the movie i don't know the turn of dan but a little bit not failed not to be a horror but if you want to go like say someone that does appreciate and go for like nerd culture at the right yeah i see what you mean from there from the standpoint of that he is very meticulous when it comes to understanding like you said about your friend yes it's very like so one of the laws he knows what he likes Robert Eggers calling in with Nosferard you know is going to be awesome i think that is the one guy that could put that's not the word again that's the one guy that could pull that film off when you look at all the modern directors now Eggers when you've seen his um his you know his work up until this point he i think would he's going to smash that out of the park yeah but i will be curious and i'm not saying because i know this is gonna be a controversial one i'll be curious to see Ari Aster do something else that would be interesting because he it's his ability to build the suspense and have those have those quiet moments the universal words he's very he's got a lot of patience Ari Aster's got a lot of patience to build you into a point of where he wants you to get to so he would be kind of almost perfect i'm not saying it'd be great i just think it's one of those things where you know when you you think okay i get the del Toro thing because to me that's where my brain's right yeah the guy that loves monsters yeah but just to put a spin on it just a seat i'll be intrigued and then um you know if i'm wrong which i probably am going to be you may hunt me down and kill me but it's one of those things where i'm just like i'd just be curious because he seems to like i said get that suspense whereas i don't know any other directors at the moment i think i should probably mention stuff like pilot so i'm tell this could be amazing if you could do it in any series like this but each one is done by one of these now one do one with them see everyone's individual perspective like cabinet of it yeah they're all going to look at their personal viewers of those characters but i'm sure you like that with me i love that bicha so yes interesting conversation here maybe we should get on the phone to hollywood okay so i think i know this point i already don't know um but yes i think that's a nice way to wrap it up as well so i just realized the time and we've got early morning so i know i've just been i was just texting her there just to make sure i got her a dress before she went off to bed or something but yes thank you thank you guys i know it's not being the most um linear podcast shall we say it's been all of this but i've already enjoyed the conversation i think that's always been the pleasure interesting conversation that have come out of a set of incredibly old films yes and some very knowledgeable people as well so use of them don't use homework he's done us proud um so yes so again thank you if you have covered in the charts he's been chipping away thank you like say what's i know we'll see a few of you guys tomorrow at nerdfest um like say we'll have a few prizes to give away for the day and some stickers so come get a sticker and remember the good will it he likes the kind of thing um next week i think danny's made a return again next week oh my god two weeks in a row it is the true crime true crime next week yes i forgot then i was like i was going to be this is going to be intran i've got to remember what i did the last time so i don't talk about it this time you can have a no you can have any background anyway that's just excellent it's coming in it's coming in crime scene so i just i just feel robin then just a matter of that is from the next thing there'll have a true crime podcast about the podcast like only made us in the building inception inception interception but yes um i think the next one's green we'll be back for star trekking with nerdy up the north for pikpikard and i hate you as well just because you have got me watching pikard now as you should we're waiting for the inevitable cake or grind is the big bad reveal at the end of the series and that will make any sense to anyone who's not jenny yes this season pikard has been a mierz and by the way it's really good like it's just isn't it like we're saying about the stuff it's the idea it's never wonderful when you put something in someone's good hands and they do a good job with it it's crazy you know but i do want to say while i'm while i'm here though on friday after pikard because i'll be doing it live on friday i don't know i need to speak a good will so okay i'm in charge of that but basically i'm doing a thing on friday that i really want to shout out about which is that i am on nine p.m friday a food to nine p.m on saturday we are doing a 24-hour gaming stream for charity not to end on a bad on a you know a sad note but basically a friend of mine is very much using hospice care at the minute and yeah it's a bad situation but basically we want to raise money for cent benedict's hospice so we will be doing it so we're doing a 24-hour stream i'm going to be playing a lot of retro games we're going to be playing a lot of super games so like silent at one for the players for the playstation things like mega man and things like that he and his own artist and he will be drawing sketches so you can donate money during the stream to make me do silly things to make me do games and stuff like changing hats oh god yes and you can pay a lot of money and get me into drag and i will just start putting on makeup and stuff while he enders up but he will be doing pictures and stuff and like you know so a sketch of whatever you want so if you want to be like oh can you draw bellow lego sees back you're doing this or whatever you will be able to donate money and get the greeom so yes yeah that's it the aim is to basically raise money for a wonderful cause oh that sounds so good and so please join us doing that on my twitch stream at nine p.m and paul i'll get you to put the stuff in the oh well don't worry and have you got any more conventions coming up there Dan? we've got the tofford whales takeover in 13th 14th of may weekend after chef and choracon which we sponsor and they just they just announced a load more guests for that and then also new castle just seen that they've announced chorism carpenter for new castle so i'm going to be incredibly poor for that when every penny i make i will be finally back into it for photos and what were you Jessica where have you got any plugs coming up?

yeah i'll be at choracon as well uh awkwardly in my living room moment i have a life castellist at boobs that i'm in but yeah new castle as well be working the weapons stall as usual so it'd be working knackers just stretching around i'm coming to the new castle one so i'll find see and you'll realize how socially awkward i am in person um as i've been being made aware that it was a year ago this weekend that we had the nirial north first meetup where north fucking knew who i was and i just sat in the corner and let everyone else kind of crap on and the old ghost one actually called me Simon so are you Simon i was good you probably went over the work just leave me the fuck off is there again just going yeah yeah yeah oh wow yes i think that's the part of the nirial north i was like kind of yeah a little bit but yes uh i don't like people i don't think people i always feel uncomfortable but make sure you come and say hi to us at nerfess tomorrow you're on the lake in lickball tomorrow you know you know we're launching a test in the house yes yes um we good will be when he's unicorn hat tomorrow so um i'll see you guys that's been amazing and so same back time same back channel say hello everyone bye