Nerdy Up North Podcast - Wednesday Review

So we're now live. Hi everyone and welcome to the Nodia of North Park House, isn't any podcast and it's hosted by Northern nerds. Hi, I'm Waleahosa. And I'm the host Paul and we thought we'd do a kind of like a midweek special.

Shall we say? Well, it wasn't really my idea. It was I think Grant came up with it first. He's the one that's been badgering us Like when we do it Wednesday, do it now.

So yes, we are doing a midweek special and we are joined by the amazing Grant again. The TV show that's just recently broken all the records. I think it's all of the records. It's surpassed string of things with viewing figures and watch hours and shit.

It's blew up. But still not beat squid games yet, I don't think because as soon as the English speak in TV show, that's dreaming. I think is that right? Obviously not like a pet or yes.

I am very prepared. I have come with my Ursula North Park and I am prepared. Yes. And Beth is already commented that Sunny is dressed up as Wednesday as well.

So she's actually been our resident in golf. For today. I couldn't resist it. I was like, I've got the dress.

I couldn't do the hair. I could not do the hair. I thought I'll pay homage to Morticia with the hair. But Wednesday can be the dress.

We'll chipping to get you awake next time. Oh, I'm going to call Drag Race on us. I'll get the disclaimer at the way we first now. I'm just cracking it.

I'm just trying to talk about this. So everything to say today's episode is our opinions and opinions alone. If you want to discuss anything from today's episode, please come and join us in the Facebook where we can have an open discussion. What we want to have is anyone comment for us and tell us our opinions are wrong.

We can all agree to disagree and fund us. So let's give it a kind and keep a toxic behaviour out of nerdism. Yes, as we always do every day. There's not always work, but we try.

Yes. I know there's been talk about this show for a while, but it wasn't on my radar until the casting announcements. I think the first one that actually stood out was the announcement of Catherine Zeta-Juan's as Morticia. That was the first time I actually started taking notice because you hear about all these different versions and different things that come about.

I was intrigued when I said that she was going to be involved and it wasn't going to be about the Evans family. That was going to be solely on Wednesday. But then I heard, like, after reading up, it was a timber and aspect. And with being a huge timber and fan, it kind of took us and was like, OK, OK, that's taking me interest even more.

But that's what I got in my radar. I don't know about you guys. When did you start hearing things about it? Probably the same, just the casting, the talk, the fact that the mocha pictures that you see, like the concept art and fan casting and stuff.

And then it was always actually going to be Wednesday, not the Evans family end yet, probably the same as you, just as it was all unraveling. What were you going to? Yeah, same. It was probably the casting announcement of Christina Ricci being in it.

But not playing Morticia because there's always been that thing circulating that she might be cast as Morticia. After I haven't played Wednesday and yeah, it was when that came up, I was like, oh, that's OK. What's going on here? And then yeah, casting to get it on as well, which I think was a bloody good choice.

That's a good choice. That was the thing as well, because it wasn't because in the world where everything gets leaked and all the information is out there for it to find. There was very little to read about this. There was so little imagery about this until the first, like, even the first images that was released were like silhouettes.

So they weren't actually pictures of the cast. So you never actually saw them as Morticia or Wednesday and Gomez and stuff. Till actually, I think the day before the trailer, that's when they released the posters and stuff and the character posters and then we got the trailer. And I'll be honest, when I first saw the trailer, I was a little bit worried.

I was like, this looks like it's going to be very teeny, but which the show kind of was in its own way. But I thought it was going to be very aimed at the Vanmai diary cryo type thing. It's a bad thing. It's just not my level of taste, if that makes sense.

See, I didn't realise how big the Vanmai diaries fan club was until I went to Liverpool, and I'm a con in Jesus Christ. I, the minute I saw this trailer, I was like, this is for me. This was made for me and my teenage goth that still lives inside of us. It was feeding my soul, basically.

And it's kept on feeding it. Ever since I've been, what happens is probably the third time I've watched it now with Ansel. I haven't been that obsessed over again. I will go back to it.

I will go back to it. I think I'll see you over the Christmas page when you're looking to find something to watch. But I think it does have rewatch the Lee value as well. I think a lot of like, like, shores like Robin 99, for me, Sabrina the Teenage, which I did get heavily Sabrina vibes from this.

Not being the chilling event of Sabrina. Yeah, I wasn't hitting on that though. I got it instantly. Especially when she went to the school and the aesthetic of the school.

Let's all be hearing a lot through the podcast. And aesthetic. I got total Sabrina feels that wasn't hitting it. I was actually really like, you know, I liked where it was going.

And a lot of how are you part of the feels as well? Yes, that was the show. I was a goth version of Harry Potter, I think, cross was a little bit scooby-doo. That's probably the best description.

But just in a pocket step, what did you think of the cast in all rounds, like for like the albums, family, all the main players as well? And there wasn't any missteps, in my opinion, but I know there's been a lot of talk and a lot of communication, like online. Not to say the negative parts, but for use, was any of the cast in perfect? Or was there anything that you would have changed?

Don't you think all? And I've got nothing but good things to say about the cast in. If I'm perfectly honest, I think they absolutely knocked it out with the park. I think we're very, very brave to go with the depiction of Gomez that they weren't with.

Certainly. More traditional, you know what I mean? I mean, Raul, who there is a break from where that character is supposed to be, but they're not trying. Raul, Raul, I think was very, very important with it.

And that, what would be the most disputed casting decision, ended up being my favourite. I love Gomez. Absolutely don't. Me too.

Absolutely. I thought it was such a brave choice to really go with the Latino actor, like really take it there. And also the idea was to base him off the original comic book concept, like art, as opposed to what you are used to with them. Oh gosh, what's John Aston's dad called?

Somebody Aston. John Aston. And then you've got the 90s, and I'm sorry, actually, I purchased his name earlier and I'm going to try it again out of respect. But then you've got that version and it's them two kind of like meet up together.

They're like very, very similar in love. But to take it the way that they have done, I thought was so brave, such a good choice. I mean, such a beautiful person. I just love him so much.

No, I agree with the aspects of the casting. There was only one cast. Well, I don't know if it was the casting that was wrong. I thought maybe the way the portrait of them that wasn't, I didn't, I never got the feeling was pokesly.

But it's like, sorry, it didn't remind me. It was a bit too much like a wet blanket, if that makes sense. Because I used to be like a foil to Wednesday, because it used to be like when they were together, all the bit dangerous and stuff. But it felt like she was like, she was always the one to take charge one, but he could always hold his own.

And this, it just felt like a bit of a damn squid. And I missed these little cow flake as well. Like I said, I know they're giving me the Latino hair and stuff like that. But I think for me, that wasn't like, say the pokesly, I probably would have went for.

And the only thing, the other one that I'm hoping will get more of, because the aspects I liked, I didn't love was faster. Oh, yeah. He was, he wasn't into what I was expecting in all honesty. I knew who the actor was, who was playing him, and I knew instantly the second I was like, oh, I got a different Brooklyn 911.

The very first episode, the week guy at the goal. And I'm sure he's been in a few Christmas recent projects. But I liked him, because he, but me and Andrew just being talking there. And I don't want him to be for his toys.

And I've got that. And I shouldn't because this is a completely different incarnation of the family. And should be completely kept separate. But when you look at it, how brilliant he was, you're then looking for that in this character as well.

And I just, I wasn't quite getting it, but I didn't hear this. Yeah, no, no, I didn't just like it. It just didn't stand out. Because that was one of the characters I was looking forward to saying was unfulfester, because in the original show, it was closer to the original show than the Crystal Lloyd version.

But it was more silly and goofy and stuff like that. But again, you do need these type of elements. Well, I'm hoping that part is growing, because if the rumors are true for season two, we are going to be getting more of the Adam's family elements to it. But like, say the cast, I know of people, like, I actually adore Catherine Zeta-Joan, she looked absolutely phenomenal.

And it was nice to say a little bit of like, trying to think the right words. Because Morticia's normally like unflappable in any situation. Like you can't, like, bother her. Well, in this, she seemed like a little bit of weakness.

And so it was nice to say that vulnerability, that's the one I was up for. In Morticia this time, which I didn't think we've got previously, which, because I see I'm Jellica, who's then, I'm getting caught back to the 90s version was stunning. But even when she's just getting tortured, she's losing, they've lost the home, she still never breaks, like, the stiff up a lip where Catherine Zeta-Joan's shows like weakness, shows like this. And even gets frustrated with Wednesday, with a teenage girl now.

So it's that tight balance. I told her never changes. She still manages to keep the same tone. But I totally agree with you.

And I got a lot of Caroline Jones from her. A lot of Caroline Jones from the look, from the actual way that she spoke. And a bit more husky than Caroline Jones, because Caroline Jones' voice was quite soft. But I got told, I wasn't, I'm really happy she went down that route as opposed to, because you can't replicate Angelica Houston.

She is amazing because it's Angelica Houston. And God bless her. I've been doing a lot of research for this. And oh my God, that poor woman went through so much to get the face that we see and know and love from that night use villain.

They pinned her face back. They literally pinned her face, took any fall increase and anything they could find and pinned it back to her scalp. And she was constantly in pain. No wonder she acted the way she did in the film, because she was probably fucking sick of her life.

But I'm glad Catherine Zeta-Joan's decided in her look, she was going to go more the traditional route, as opposed to the pulled back face. And in the right red lip, she didn't do right red lips, she didn't do right red nails. Either she kept quite dark. I have paid a lot of attention apparently, too.

How she looks at her. And granted, for the reasons. So don't worry. I just loved the customer.

I loved the fact that when we saw flashbacks of that, she wasn't just wearing the dress still. Yeah. And holy shit, the castan of the flashbacks. The young girl who played her was spot on.

No, you can tell this was Netflix, but he actually took time and did stuff with it. Absolutely. But as I said, the castan of Vexia Wenzi herself, Jenna Ortega, which is strange because the amount of stuff was seen her in the last year or so. It was just the last year.

She's been working hard as well. And I know that probably did camera angles and stuff like that, which she actually looked like a teenage girl, like 14, 15. I don't know how old she was. I think she's like 20 year olds.

Yeah. But she is a tiny little thing. And it's terrifying. But it's really funny watching her stand next to Gwendolyn Chrissy.

And I mean, stand next to her. Not standing for an evaluate to wear the like base of base. And you can do the dodgy camera angles. I mean, actually stand next to her.

I've seen loads of footage of Gwendolyn carrying her on her back. Like literally, and it looks like... Exactly. Gwendolyn can carry me anywhere, bless her.

Oh, absolutely. I would be that ginger man from a game of thorns. It's made a big woman. The Casner Genet Ortega was absolutely just brilliant at girls.

And look at that girl's face. The fact that... I mean, we know the whole Blinken thing that is all being talked about on the back of the... She did Blink.

But she did it when she was showing emotion. It's like almost like she can't control it. So she, I guess, when her eyes blinked, but she only did it three times. I think the fact that it took Wednesday out of the dress was brilliant.

The fact that she wore different clothes was still kept to that. What's the word called where I take like a mind? That's it. It was still kept to that.

Why did they give her it? Because instead it was school uniform. But why did she have a different tone? She died.

Did she? She died. I didn't add to myself. Yeah.

I'm saying the same thing. I was like, why is it different? Because she fucking died it. This is Wednesday.

She didn't go away at all. Yeah, even like the side characters, like, I know what we just talked about basically the side characters was all the people with special payments. The main cash, shall we say, the best, well, Wednesday's roommate turned out to be a best friend. Was it in his hand?

In his hand. I actually fell in love with her. Like, say, I actually adore her. She was like, just the cutest thing I've ever seen.

But then even like the male cast as well, they all played like, say the different roles and like all them over falling over Wednesday and stuff being the new toy at school. That was like one of my notes was like, for all Wednesday, it doesn't want to, she says, I'll never fall in love and I'll never have a family. She doesn't have a lot of boys tripping over her. Like, she has a decent choice.

Yeah. But what about your grunts? Any standouts for you? For me, Me, Fesser was a massive standout.

I really, really like the 50s and 60s Adam Swannley with Carolyn Jones and Jon Astin and all the rest. Now, absolutely adored his depiction of Fesser because it took it to that one. Yeah. Generation of it is opposed to going, I think, with the original cartoons and what have you, you've got more of Christopher Lloyd's.

But having, I don't know, it just absolutely worked for me. It was like a comic relief serial killer. Yes. It was incredible.

And he's part of probably the most emotional part of the entire TV series as well. But I'm sure we'll get on to that. Yeah. I did like his connection with Wednesday, when she was telling me, I got to go and hit him in the Bay of Bay things and don't eat the bees.

And he's like, I'm going to be pops back and say, I told you, I'll put the bees alone. And he's the first to her is he's prodigy. Yeah. So it's the first word of my dark prodigy or something like that.

Like she's obviously learning all of her scheminess and craftiness from Fesser. And I think that's going to make an amazing dynamic of the people. It was stories that she kept telling about him as well. Like even when he's not on screen, something was mentioned in the camp and she was like, yeah, I mean, well, Fesser, like he was a prisoner there or something.

Oh, that was it. Where did you learn that? And prison or prison camp? So many times he got married was a prisoner.

No, no. It was interesting as well that throughout the shore, the first time you actually see Wednesday, a smile as well as Wednesday, a spacer. So that was a quite a nice little take. Because we've always got the like little half smiles and the little bit.

Yeah. But then we're going to start the full smile with a teeth like when she realized it's him. But what was episode seven when he nearly's a peer in several minutes, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Because I'm the one off he's watching six now. So he wasn't in that one. So it must be seven.

But as with saying about the plot and how the shore worked, I think he nailed it on with Goth Harry Potter. That's well, you only really got that five after this episode two, because episode one was the one that was felt a little bit drawn out and not hard to watch. But it was put in everything in place to get to where we wanted to be. So it did feel a little bit plodd, but the camera work, the lighting, oh my god, the lighting in this TV show.

I'm sorry, I'm going to roll a ball drag race. It was absolutely beautiful. Like there's aesthetics and how does glimmers are like? It was I'm going to say this, but it was very Tim Burton, but Tim Burton light because again, when we heard Tim Burton was involved with this, I was purified because I thought we're going to get like a really wonka style, like over the top, like with everything that you can do for times.

But he was very withdrawn. It's almost like someone was like in like editing them quite a bit because this felt like a Tim Burton film. But at times it didn't, if that makes sense, like the things that they do, like the costumes and the music was very worth a bit done enough. And of course it was Tim Burton.

But it felt like it was a very like peeled back held back restraint and burn, if that makes sense. It does, it massively does. And he didn't that he didn't direct all of the episodes. I don't know if you I only noticed because you see the director's name at the end and he didn't direct all of the so did the mass majority, but he didn't direct all of them.

So I feel like he's had a lot, he's been influenced by other people's perspective. And you know what that's saying where it's like when you go out, you should just take one thing off. So you know, I think that's what he's done. He's kind of like just taken taken it back just a little bit.

He's made it so I didn't get Burton vibes at all. There was a couple of moments where I did, but I didn't get a total like, oh shit, this is a Burton project. Well, the start was very Burton. Like I said, opening and actually the introduction to Winnie and I could.

So you just landed a Sabrina. So. And then like anything to do with Kristin and Racy just mapped to the face of anything that Burton would do. Like like all the facial expressions, like all the way she popped in and popped out with the seams.

That was very Burton in my eyes. And the end and like say the whole like the way I finished off in the standoff, that to me felt very Burtonesque and the big monster. Can we talk about the monster yet? The big monster didn't give us Burton bias, but it definitely given us merely a del Toro or that.

I hope just around the eyes alone. And that monster was incredible. You're not going to hear me say a bad thing about that monster. I just wish it just wasn't as CGI as it was, if that makes sense.

And I know it was going to be very hard to do it in practical effects, but I think the facial expressions kind of took us away from it. But again, that's just me being very harsh on something that was like a show that gripped us and normally even the cold, she doesn't like watching like binge watching. And we watched this over two days, which we normally make sure was last a week or two weeks at the most. So it did make us, but it was a very much a scooby-doo, like who did it and going through all the different villains.

And I know when I realized not in the first episode, when I realized Kristina Ritisi was going to come back and reappear more than just a little cameo. I knew she was going to be a big of an actress and a big of a name, not to be like the main part, like the main thing. So I kind of worked out she was going to be the villain from the second. I didn't see it coming at all.

Can I just talk for a second about how amazing Kristina Riti looked and how beautiful her hair was in that program, her hair color, and the style of it and the choice and the glasses. Oh, she just looked fantastic. I did not see it coming. I was too stuck in by that big eyes.

Grant, do you guess it? I had it so immediately, mate, but that didn't take me enjoyment because obviously, you know, I've got the destination, so I just put the journey was so incredible for them to get where they were going with it. But yeah, that's all that company, my little way, the minute she had all the great red shoes on, I was like, that's too much of a weird thing. Not to pick something that's going to come right round at the end.

And there it was. The thing is, when you really watch it was so many signs. So many signs. And the biggest one is her coffee order.

Yeah, that coffee order is the biggest one because she tells the mayor, it's one thing. And when she's at the dance, the guy, what's his name? Who she goes on the date with, the sheriff's son, he tells us, he says something completely different and she just agrees. She just nods and smiles and she even says his last name as well.

At that point, there is little snippets when you rewatch it, didn't you get it? Didn't you come in at all? I'm so stupid. The only thing I didn't didn't work out, well, you worked out what you thought was too obvious was him as a hide.

Because he played a great role. Like you thought, you kind of guessed and it's going to be this person, that person, it's going to be such and such. That was a good thing. I used to like the title of that big one's point now.

And that was a great, like it was so in your face that you was so obvious that you thought, no, it can never be. But when it turned out you weren't disappointed, that it wasn't. Because it kind of made sense. That kind of like the switch rules or like the things when you do things like your knives out and stuff like that, another great food in a film.

You're not really disappointed that you were right. As I said, because I say the journey was so fun together. But it was just interesting to see Wednesday get so frustrated throughout and the more she was guessing the more she was getting wrong. And even though she didn't show too much of emotion, the emotion that she was showing, it was entertaining to see her come alive and become that little bit more for us to pretend.

And as I said, I know we've talked about before, Gwendolyn Christie's character, the headmistress in this was a lead to a tee. Because you thought all the way from that she had to send us there to do. Because she was literally in every element, every little subplot. She was always there.

And I do think it's like, really, it's also a little bit sad as well that she came out and said that Wednesday was the first ever TV show she's done that she's felt beautiful. Filman. Well, honestly, just want to give the woman a hug and say everything that I've ever seen here. And even when you dressed in a chrome bloody stormtrooper outfit, you looked beautiful, that woman is everything to me.

I absolutely love her. And the way that she was styled in this was unbelievable. The way that they didn't hide her height either, that she's the funeral scene. She stands ahead and foot like above everybody else.

And the tall woman, I very much appreciated that because we, you know, I've been with my mum's family and they're all five foot and five foot nine. It's not a nice feeling, but I love the fact that she stood with her head held high. And her hair was fantastic. And it's really sad watching back on how much she generally believed in Wednesday, even though as you're watching it, you think, oh, she's trying to file her plan again.

Oh, she's trying to do this Wednesday and she really, really wasn't. She wanted to do not that she just wanted to help Wednesday fit in. Yeah. And you can tell that, like, say certain things would, as a show built, like each character's got the time to shine as well.

That was, like, say, the elements I kind of enjoyed because I know this was only a short show. Thankfully, now we're going to start to get the idea that we don't need 24 episodes, 18 episodes to tell these type of stories. This had subplots that had little, like, side quests, as you see as well. That were quite fun.

The whole gourmet has been a murderer aspect was brilliantly. And again, it didn't take away from the original story. And it kind of built, like, that family, like, say, bonding stuff. And when they use things like the practical effects, like, I still can't believe that, well, I can't because it's me.

And that thing was a human hand all the way throughout. Yeah. It was, it was a shot in Romania. And he was a Romanian magician that they found.

And you see, when you see him in his blue suit, it's so weird because you obviously see his wrist, but then you see the attached to the top bit coming up. It just looks so strange when you see the blue part in him, but he was, he was phenomenal. And such a, but it just being a hand had so much range and so much depth. Like he had his own little thing going on his relationship, but Enid was so special.

And I just, I love this hand. Everyone needs a bit of a hand or something. So I just. Yes.

And I generally need to get a tear when I thought he was going to die. Yeah. There's been a couple of moments where it got me to your eyes. One of them was at the squad with the murder, with the murder, where the woman has been arrested for murder.

And it's when she's expelling into him. And it's so sinister the way she sees it, but she's like, who made me go into a shark tank? And he's like, but yes, you were so, you were, you were more full of blooded than what they are. And it was so sinister.

But then she was like, you realize this to be the strong woman, this independent woman. And as father's go, you were adequate by our personalities. Well, yeah, that whole aspect that that conversation was probably the most Adam's family conversation in the whole show. Like her and Gomez, that little repartaire was just basically got vibes from every genre or every incarnation of what Adam's family has been.

And they got it so right. And I think that's what the show like this, if you get more things right than wrong, because again, you can't make it. So you'll never get a perfect show. You'll never get anything that's just like six boxes for everyone.

Everyone's got all the different tastes. But the fact that especially with something as as beloved and is immortalized, like we did a review not to long ago, remember the monsters, which is a similar type of field. Completely different contrasts and ways of going about doing a remake of them, that type of sure, both had their strong points and waypoints. But this one, I think was more fearful and but in ways took more risks in the monsters as well, which I think kind of led to because I think where the monsters failed is when it went back to all school or too much towards like the past where this went, this isn't that this family there or what you've seen before.

This is going to be everything's going to be brand new and this is going to show you things that you've never seen. Like Wednesday, getting their first kiss with a boy. That was like a proper sweet moment and but like a great plot point as well. But that's why I kind of gravitated this and absolutely fell in love with it a lot more because it wasn't scared to try things that probably other directors or the other director's or the other film that probably wouldn't have done.

Yeah, I feel like they've had a lot riding on not so much getting stuff right, but just making sure it was in the right setting because you've got to think like, this doesn't just, it's not like the monsters just had the TV short fall back on to that's what you're looking at as in that's where it's coming from. But with the Adams family, you've got comics, cartoons, the 90s film, the TV series. There's a lot to go off there. I think you honestly, I can't speak out enough of this show.

I love this. I really did. What were you saying? What was your favourite points to this?

What do you say, Grant? It's kind of my reason to what you were saying about them taking risks in the right places. I think where they took a massive risk and got it's also right with this is like, it's the dialogue. It's the screenplay behind this.

The writing of the dialogue is absolutely sublime. I think there's a lot of tropes that you can fall into with the Adams family because there's obviously these very iconic moments like Fester with these electricity and what have you. And they get the tropes in, but they only just touch on them. And the rest of the dialogue, the script had to be perfect, the use of language in the way that the dialogue is delivered.

Needed to be on point for this to work. And that's where I think they massively surpass any of the dreams of it. It's just every word is like poetry. It's beautiful to listen to.

I couldn't listen to this from the eyeshot. No, I totally agree. I think the best part of the dialogue is subtlety and how subtle they are with things. And Gomez's nicknames for Wednesday was probably some of the greatest dialogue I've ever heard because it just I've even wrote them down.

I've got you called them a little biker. I was a little scorebior of my little death trap, my little tormentor, my little song cloud. But it was so it was so subtle. It just felt completely and ugly normal that this is how he would talk to us.

What was again, like say, talking about the writing and stuff, like the dialogue they used, they didn't done it down. They never used, they didn't use you, but they didn't over explain it. It kept it fun. And the relationships as well between each and everyone, it felt natural.

It felt the way you would react to someone like Wednesday, where you're trying your best to look at it and just bring an absolute twat to the point where you would break and you would lose your shit. So I totally felt that because I was just a little ray of sunshine trying to do everything as you can. But I loved how they took Wednesday out because the whole thing about the ad finally as well, it was like this weird family in normal life, like with the norm, shall we say? It took Wednesday out of the norms and put them with the way it was.

Yeah. And she wasn't the freak anymore. She wasn't the standout. Well, she stood out for different reasons, but there was werewolves, there was vampires.

I fucking love the sauna joke with the imager. That was such, again, it was a teeny joke, like a teeny bop a joke, but I was all there for it. It was actually, and constixated and made a big reference to it till later on when she was not even on the date, went into a little snake sliver out of his heart and I was like, that's so fucking clever. So well done.

And I thought you turned around and went, well, I don't want to get in store for you. It'll be for a few minutes. Edith completely has my heart. The way she handled her parents when it was parents, Sam, weekend, well, our mother, especially, and we're trying to get her into like a camp, like a conservation camp.

There's a conservation camp. Conversion therapy. Conversion therapy, because she's not wolfing out. Like, oh my heart, my heart broke.

And that happened. I was like, give the girl a chance and have her nails. How fucking fierce were their nails. And the amount of people I've heard complaining about the fact that when she because her nails extract and come out, people are like, well, how is she?

She got them painted all the way down. Wouldn't she have them only half painted because she only shows half of them half the time. And I'm like, fuck you. It looks true.

It looks fantastic. It looks fucking fantastic. And then I'm sitting there going, but if she pulls them out and then paints them, then puts them back in again, fuck you, internet. Like I'm sick of hearing little ditty bits of the trying to pick the pieces over this.

One of them, I'm not even going to get into it. It's too ridiculous. We'll continue. I think they actually covered the nails thing as well, because all the bits were falling out and it was like their excuses were coming back.

It's all because she was looking for nail varnish. It's constantly got the nail varnish. You know, it's just going to go all the way up. It's just using like all fucking bottles of it.

Her and things spend a lot of time on their hands. So of course she's going to have like nails are going to be perfect. She has these face nails. Oh, I love it.

I love the fact that she made her a snoot. That was one of my favourite moments of the fact that she made her a black snoot. But also I loved Wednesday when I was well, because it's like, you can't gauge Wednesday sometimes and when she goes on a date with the guy with the snakes. And she's going, which we look at exactly very hard.

I'll say for his. And she's still like, she's back here, but that will get to the end of it, because I'll probably end up crying when we talk about the end of it. But the other characters as well all played the part, I did like the guy who played the guy, the girl I played the anchor as well. I thought she was quite interested.

And I know that we'll probably conniacs was with a bit of mesmerising. But I love how again, there's got a lot in this show without overdoing it. Like how her mum was in a cult and trying to attract different people and how she escaped from the cults, which of course, if you were a siren, you would be attracted to cults to bring it on. I can mesmerise people.

So again, so cleverly done. And we talked about the werewolf conversion therapy, like almost like the gear conversion therapy that should be banned worldwide. But even the things like when she goes to the therapist and she's having fights with the therapist, like physical fights just like vocally and the sparring she does with that. Again, it's entertaining.

Even the sheriff, he played a decent role, like he's just like a local sheriff. You think he's, but the only question is, did he know about Tyler all along? Or was he just realised after a certain point? I don't know, because he saw what it comes to Tyler, he kind of distanced himself away from these problems.

Because then because then life becomes real. But he must have known about his mother, because that was the thing, because he knew his mother was like from that school. And she was the last known hide that had to get rid of from the school. But again, I know there's a lot of loose ends and things that need to, you know, that's why we're hoping for the second season.

Because we don't know what's happened with the younger after a man, give it the old men after the school of Germans, that's just to come and join us. Is that going to happen? Or is she going to find a way out? She's a siren.

And her mum's losing her power. So she got out, I can imagine. But I found Bianca's character to be absolutely amazing. The fight sequence with her on Wednesday.

And by the way, any time you see General Tager Feiden, that is General Tager Feiden. She did her fucking work of this film. She learned to fight. She learned channel.

She learned German. She really went all out. She don't dance choreography as we found out. That's she didn't...

Why? That's over. That's what she didn't do. So she didn't go out and do some dance moves and she basically just made it up.

She choreographed it. So from what I've heard, I see it on interviews. She choreographed the whole thing in her head. She had all figured out what she was going to do.

And what she said on the day was, just keep filming. Don't re-actor it. So that was the first time anyone was singing it. It was when they were filming it.

And she took like inspiration from 19th cup videos of her, all those girls dancing and Susie and the band she's in, the cramps and she kind of like took inspiration from all that. But yeah, that is 100% General Tager. And that fight sequence when they're doing the sword fighting. In the 80, I loved it.

I think it's the most boring sport in the world, but it looks so beautiful and so fluent. I loved it. But that was probably the first time as well. Wednesday has been bested.

So it was like taking a little bit of a back step as well, because realizing that she's not going to have everything all our own way. And win everything. So that was quite an interesting take to see how she kind of reacted to. What I liked about it as well, again, I know I slated at the start with the castner, Pudsey.

And it probably made sense when you go through how Wednesday acted throughout a time and school. She was always drawn to the kids that kind of needed help or were getting picked on. Or a little bit like I said, like a wet blanket. Like I can't remember the kids near now, but the guy with the bees.

Oh, you just, I love that boy so much. So how she kind of gravitated towards him and become that friendship as well. And like even Tyler, he had a bit of a lost boy's sword, like fierce and kind of like, it didn't want to be in that town and stuff like that. And there was something damaged about which we found out a lot more when it come a lot later.

But you could see she was kind of gravitating towards these broken souls in a way. Yeah, she has a connection to them. Doesn't she? Sorry, I thought you were going to say something.

I found it quite formula. In that sense, you know what I mean? That kind of new girl, outsider, you like to know it does follow a structure that is really, really familiar. But the way that they pull the mythological elements into it and make it relevant to, you know, there's a reason that formula works.

You know, I mean, every team movie is kind of structured roughly the same way. It's, you know, the timing of the true vibes, you know what I mean? But the imagery, I thought, was absolutely astounding for like the Winder universe, so to speak. Really, really just great.

No, everything was done. I gave it like the Sacred Society, like when it went downstairs and I thought, yeah, to all know was cleverly done. Oh, that line. What is it?

You know, blindfolded hands tight cutting off circulation. Don't know if I'm going to live or die. And the love I got in the portal as well was outstanding. Like really outstanding.

The fact that he's the whole school's named after him, the Secret Society, the statues, the pork up, the pawns, the fact that you had to pick three pawns, I just, the quarter, she even caught Edgar Allen pork during it as well. I love the fact that Paul and Paul were used in this. I think that was always going to be weird. Any type of golf, type of TV show, they're going to lean heavily on them, type of aspects and then type of trope.

But I agree with 200%. Like say any, like say a trope that they're hard, they're kind of throughout it, a big style. Well, I think the characters were interesting and often that's what's drawn you're in. And it's not becoming about being the Addens family pretty quick for me as well.

Because that's what I was worried about was going to be all how many Addens family references or Addens family things are going to put in. And it'd become more to do with the cast or the people that were on screen. Like everyone kind of threw us in and got us engaged more. And even like tiny art as well, the aspects of the Mortician guy, he seemed really interested and we didn't last that long.

And then we got the Tamir who was actually played really well and they could have been just a boring side character. Like say all of them had their little interests and fables. But one of the main things I did, Griffiths from the start until the finish was basically the music that was used. Yes, I'm so glad you brought the music up.

I have a list of all the songs. I really didn't even work on this one. Sorry, I'm just going to mute Sam for a bit of less fine. I'm going to mute Sam for a bit.

Oh, because I've got the names. I was actually one that was bothering us that I had to go and look at the soundtrack. Because I'm thinking it's when she's, I said this to you before, I thought it was an either the F song and it's when she's sitting on a typewriter. It was possibly on the first episode and it's not, it's later La Rona and it was played in the movie Frida.

I'm like, but it was doing me heading. I was like, I know it's from Frida. I just can't think of what the song is. And I love the fact that he used that song in there.

It's such a beautifully depressing song. Well, with anything like, I'd say with Danny Elf and I, I think that's involved, the music that the post picked out and stuff. It was very cleverly done because they could have done anything as generic as like E-Moh music or like, and went, it would have worked. It would have, like, thing, but with anything you heard like little bits, it was the build up to ones, like the one that's playing in the background.

Now, nothing else matters. You don't recognize that first and you just hear it and you hear the beats and you when you sort of get further, you think, that's Metallica, that's nothing else about it. And it's so lovely done. And the same thing happened with the, like, the cello with painted black.

Again, it's a slow start. Anything, oh, it's just going to be like, oh, it's going to be like, well, when you find out it's like a rock music, but done like classic style. And with this, I would say, like, type of shore, it just give it a little bit more. It felt special, if that makes sense.

Yeah, the fit, the air painted black was, I think iconic, but I don't think it is iconic is the Metallica. And nothing else matters. It took fucking, I am a, Metallica is my favorite band of all time. I am a huge, huge fan.

And it took me about a few minutes in to be, well, I recognize this song. How do I recognize this song? And then I start singing it and I'm like, oh, holy shit, it's nothing else matters. And it was just brilliantly done.

I watched it and it would be with last day because I was so interested because there's a lot of Metallica coming out in popular culture now. And I was like, what's made them change their mind because they never allowed them use it to be used. The only time it was ever used was for James' friend, Joe Berlin, Joe, when he did the documentary Paradise Lost and they used Sanitarium for the opening sequence. And it was the only time they ever allowed music.

And I've watched it with people on how it's done where he said, we were far too fucking precious over songs that were 40 year old. And we needed to stop doing that. And when the string of things came along and they got asked if they could use master of puppets for it, they were like, yeah, I got for it. And then they realized that doing that brings in anywhere any other audience.

And I think they'll find exactly the same with Wednesday. At least I hope anyway. Well, your grandd, I know you all are like big in the music side of things the best of times. I thought the score was absolutely flawless in this.

The other week when we're on top five villains, there was two with the people that were in there. The characters were directly linked to the score around them and it was the score that helped the evolution of the character. The choices were not as much as painted black. Absolutely incredible.

But the atmospheric elements of the score as well, just your little builds and jumps and pops and what have you for accent and things that are going on. It was a delight to listen to. Like I said, the sound is so good on this that I could listen to without watching it and absolutely enjoy it and know the storytelling because of the quality of the sound that the footage. It really is.

It was just an absolutely stunning, even the opening sequence, the music and that I can still hear it in the ears right now, the plunky funkiness of it. And the opening sequence, I don't know if you actually sat and watched it fully, but it tells you the whole story in the whole opening sequence. From not giving you anything away, but it does set each and every episode up to the final bit with the tree burning. But the most brilliantly brilliant touch that it is was when Christina Ricci's name comes up, have the teddy bear and the guillotine.

And it was it was to be a homage to her character in the Adam's family. And when she played Wednesday because she was fascinated with the guillotine. I think it's a I think it's a hilarious as well. Like the plot of this is basically just like a homage to Adam's family values or Wednesday takes back.

Well, that was so well done because that was my favorite part of the Adam's family values as well as when Wednesday and like the others take back from the cool kids and stuff like that. But was like kind of flipped on its side. This but the pilgrims are fighting them now. But no, I'm a question who saw where do you think it'll go off for season two?

Because it's got big things to follow on. There's big characters lost as well. Like when then Quisty is not going to return. But obviously that's one of the theories.

Now Beth is absolutely itching to talk about the end, but this is one of the theories that's been not just Beth said it. I've seen it a few times on the internet. So at the end of Wednesday and she is in her car with Lurch. Now, bear in mind her mom and dad put a sea of terror at any point.

You're going to come and talk her away. But Lurch is the one who comes together and at the same time the high does pass in this way. Lurch is going that way. Lurch's eye color is completely different.

It's completely white. And he's eyes roll in the back of his head. As the hide was passed, people don't think that that's Lurch. Right.

I think that's Gwendolyn Christie. And she is taking Wednesday out for safety because something is going to happen. This is just theories and I'm sure Beth will jump in. But this is what the reason is that it's going to it's either Gwendolyn Christie or it's another shapeshifter who was coming to say of Wednesday because something that high is going to break free.

Well, wasn't Lurch just pretty much just Frankenstein's once and every so he could have different eyes with different ears type of thing. I know. His eyes were all I noticed was his eyes were normal when you see him originally when you see him with the Adam family but then they are very different at the end but in the car. That's the only thing I saw but he does kind of tilt his head back like he's gone into a bit of a trance.

Right. But yeah, there's yeah, I think she's still alive Lurch is different. Yeah, that's what the theory is only at the moment is that she is still alive. Oh, I wouldn't be sad to put it in the brought back but I'm here next to me.

Now she's just survived that much that her toxin to the neck. It's Gwendolyn Christie. I don't know. I'm not I only I only saw the day now but I wasn't convinced that it was Gwendolyn Christie's character.

I thought something that it meant something but not that. Right. So before we start by going into different theories and stuff, I've got to ask so what was your favourite part of the show like the moment? Shall we say?

Oh, I'll put that on. That's what he said. Oh, probably when Eugene saves the day at the end. When Eugene comes in with all the beats.

And all the beats. And he's like, what was he saying? I was like, oh, it's hummus needs to stick together. And I absolutely love that boy so much.

And that was probably one of my favourite bits. Along with I got to say the damn sequence. I absolutely loved it. I could watch it over and over again.

I thought it was a saw mesmerised. Mine was probably the Enid Transform and finally into the wolf and having that big CGI battle between that and the height and how she kind of like stood up for Wednesday and then you got to like see she was injured and then she finally got a hug. And that was like a really sweet nice moment as well. The big story of the show for me was her and Wednesday's relationship and how it kind of transformed.

And that was like quite a bit special in the show as well. It was that hug. That it was that hug. When she cuz she hugs her and she out arms the stiff and she doesn't she looks like she's just gonna do a Wednesday and she's not gonna react to it.

But then she kind of pulls up out, looks at her face and then gives her this massive hug where it's proper like gripping hug and yeah I'm gonna start crying. That part was so beautiful Enid's transformation that she got to with the howl eventually I was so buzzed like absolutely screaming at the telling but I would have been devastated if anything happened to her. What are you Grant? Mine even though this like this sequence also has my biggest nitpick.

Probably my only nitpick out of the entire show. It's the bit with Catherine's I thought that was really really well put together. It was beautiful just to see the fact that you were talking about the vulnerability side of that. Even by just the fact that you could see she'd been crying before Wednesday even walked in the door.

I make up was no different than what mine looks like when I started to string. It just like kind of sits at the bottom of your eye and the performance of them two together was it was a sight to say it was beautifully done. They're created and seen. Which is like oh I remember when you got your first graffiti and set.

Which is like you can come and join and you can just say I look at Danielle's one. No you're okay. You're having fun. A lot of the interactions between mother and daughter.

The necklace that she gives the W and the M necklace. I thought that was such a lovely touch. You know that's going to be a big thing to get now. Yeah I look for one even though mine's an S.

I'll still wear it. So the big twist up the end as well is when she got the four and she got the text messages. I know Beth's been planning on the show in the chat. Who do you think that is?

Because that's going to be the big, is that going to be the long game? Twist? Cause I know they said they're hoping to do three or four seasons of this. Yeah.

Who wanted the text? So again I've completely drawn a blank. It was just like photographs and I'm still watching you. I was only like oh right right no idea.

I would like to think it's someone that we haven't seen yet. So someone that because if they go with anyone that's busy in there it's like Bianca's too obvious. Enid would be like wouldn't it would kill the show. Like I could be one of the side characters like say I think it's still in a boyfriend or something like that.

Again it's going to go into the two obvious and stuff like that. But I would like to say like to be someone that we haven't seen yet and someone that's going to be coming up someone like that's just lurking in the shadows. Yeah I think best in two things that could be Taylor's mum. What about thing?

What about thing? What about thing? Yeah. It's just talking about what you're talking about.

Where's thing going to hide a camera phone? I don't think about it. He hasn't got any pockets. He hasn't even got a sleeve.

He hasn't even got a sleeve. He hasn't even got a sleeve. You could have someone doing his bin for him. I think it'd just be hilarious if it did turn out to be big and he was it was completely mistrusion.

He is just looking over at a lot of the fact that he was mentioned in it as well. I think I had the portrait there too. I thought that was brilliant. Oh there we go.

It starts grand. You could just have an Apple Watch around his wrist. Possibly. Hey I've been trying to text on an Apple Watch as fucking impossible.

James Bond style photos on an Apple Watch. Yeah. I'm kind of not. Well I know it gives you a lot of scope.