New York Knicks or New York Tricks? (Full Episode)

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And let us know everything is working out for you guys. So without further ado, I'm sorry I had to interject there. Let's get into the best performance of the week. Spike, Lou, you are up, sir.

Absolutely best and worst sports performance of the week. This is the first on this show. I know it is because who the fuck talks hockey? The NHL, man, therefore, continent tournament or whatever it may be, has been some of the biggest talk in sports, the Canada USA game because of the beef, the Trumpest calls with Canada and them fighting in the first like two minutes of it coming on is all out here on all of the sports talks I was listening to.

And actually it actually made me tune into the final game. So I'm going to give a big shout out to the NHL as the best sports performance of the week and making people actually care and putting an all-star game on. The people actually fuck. The people that didn't watch hockey was like, you're watching this.

So I'll give it to them. Bro, you run into hockey, bro. That's how we are. I know it's a real time.

I know it's a real time. I know it's a real time. I'll be here. I'll be here.

I'll be over NBA. I even told you never told me I'm not watching. I'm not watching NBA. I'm just watching hockey game before I watch NBA.

I watch the Undisputed. What's the name of the league with the girls? Arrival. You don't even know.

You're watching it. I was watching NBA game on the net. I'm watching it because I ain't Jerusalem's in it. I didn't know where I was going.

I went to a bar that played in the next games. I forgot which location I was going to, but I said, fuck it, I should be either one. So I pulled up, bro. When I get there, you already know where I'm at.

I mean an interesting part of Connecticut. I say, bro, I pull up a young white boy in the bar. I'm literally the where's Waldo, nigga, in that bar. You're the tokyou.

Never. It was full-blown white, bro. White boy in. I'm the only n***ing earbuds.

You're going to get that to the fuck up out of here. You know what I'm saying? Mmm. Thanks.

All right, man. Well, let's jump into our first topic of the night. You guys see the title We're gonna talk about the nicks and I see some folks asking about the sisters they're on here as well So first up to New York, next the New York, Nick suffered another tough loss of the Boston Celtics on Sunday afternoon 118 to 105 following a 37 point. That's right 37 point Blowout at the hands of the Cleveland Cavaliers this past Friday are the nicks pretenders or contenders in the Eastern Congress And let me give you guys this fun fact about the next the New York Knicks are old and seven versus the top three teams in the NBA Which are currently Boston Cleveland and OKC Can you kind of answer that right there?

We're giving you know saying the they're being 0 and 7 they are 100% pretenders Nick And here's the thing this segment when I saw it I said everything I talked about I'm gonna talk directly to you because you the only person that talk about the nigger Boxers here, you know, so you don't only one that ever has hope for them You don't want that talks about burn burn is a top e g you talk about cat now. Here's the thing Nick I will say this they are a better team than they were last year I think that they have made all of the right moves you go make a move for cat You go make a move for OG like you did last year You bring in the Villanoba boys even though you had to get rid of one of them bring another one It is what it is use basketball. It's a business is money involved but Nick with the Knicks are 12 and 21 against teams poised to make a playoff 12 and 21 Geez and against teams that are under 500. They're 23 and 2 They are pretenders all the way they are the definition of pretenders are they good enough to compete against the top To your teams.

Yeah, even though they got blown out by Boston, you know saying three times or four times in a row dating back to last year It is what it is Nick You you guys are in the atlanta hawks joe johnson territory Good enough to make the playoffs. This is you might win a series maybe two and call it a great season But you're not a championship contender Brum-brun. I hate to break into you. This is what i'd be talking about He's really good, but he's not over.

He's not a superstar. He's not gonna take you over the top cat He's really good Not gonna take you over the top and nobody else on that roster is a superstar So you have a really good team with a coach that likes to over extend their players his players You're not gonna do nothing, but the Knicks are a perennial playoff team first. Maybe second round exit. That's it.

People. I don't think they came out of the first round Yeah, it's gonna be tough. They're gonna be tough and they are definitely pretenders. They are pretenders for all the reasons we've all said Um Bronson is not a number one.

I would rather him be a two or three on my squad and do what he did Um similar to this time of Dallas only a little bit, you know step a little bit further from that But as long as he's not the focal point, you'll be okay in cat. We know what cat is. I got told you before that was great Hope to get him there. He's gonna great job.

He's rebounding what he's averaging by 13 14 rebounds a game But at the same time in the biggest moments cat that's when he plays his smallest So i'm not looking to say what we're gonna dominate tonight because it doesn't happen when you need it to happen Because it's just not who he is. We know who he is any other guys a complimentary role pieces that would fit better Elsewhere so we we got we got I know what you're gonna say Nick man. You ain't got your guy Mitchell, but I don't see Mitchell making no get mentioned average, but five points a game And he plays a little defense. Yeah, but it's not enough to to stop what was that 30 point logic that ain't enough So no you don't have enough you just don't have enough like people said you are perennial playoff team That's gonna be too good to get good players in the draft and not good enough to win it all You got boss in this miles ahead and Cleveland who's taking a leap Yep, so And that's the thing right Cleveland you see it like Cleveland is taking a leap donna been mitchell is playing less minutes and is more effective scoring more So that's a whole other conversation.

We're not talking about the next the other thing too shelter I wanted to point out In the last game that they played against boss in the nicks All five starters scored 14 or more points and I want to say they all shot over 50% That is a problem because boss and then figure it out how to win a championship And they look like a championship team and they were doing them doing it the majority without pushing his last year in the beginning of this year not It's a pro you're not good enough. You're not good enough. So Nick. I don't want to crush your nick dreams But dog first round maybe second round That's gonna get back Um, I gotta disagree with y'all.

You know, Nick side like it ain't a every team in the fucking NBA East is a pretender other than the Celtics Do they have a good chance to be in the Celtics? Absolutely not could they be the calves the books the patients the Pistons the magic and the hawks That he don't have the boys in the play absolutely They have a better team to have a better coach I think once and it's better than anybody on any one of those teams that I've mentioned the Celtics are the only threat They should be in the east of conference files Nick you know He's literally saying what I was gonna say What did I say after the catch rate? I said about a couple things I'm trying to say one because they may be coming up later in the pro in the near future But um, I said outside of Boston I really like the next chances in the east right as much as we talk We've been talking about it in the chat even with Beasy and everybody about the these these calves as great as they look none of us We'll believe it so you bet money on them making out the east Thank you. I know but not before the next oh, yes That Can't have more can't have more That's that's so that's so that's so good.

You said that will tell it. Yeah. Yeah That's that's lose point my point is this we're all all of us will pick boston to come out the east right? Yes, people people laid out great a great a great comment about them So let's say take boston outside of this are you betting on would you bet on the calves over?

Uh, new york to come out the east if somehow somebody boston was out of it I don't think anybody's really whole hardy outside of the state of Ohio We think the cleavant cavaliers are legit deep enough team or good enough team to get out the east and i'm a dani mitchell fan I would of course, you know, I would love to see that somewhat but overall I just think first of all the nicks haven't been healthy all year yet While I do while tom thibber though is an interesting part of his career coaching career with his team I do think he's got them playing in a way that he hasn't really coached another team like this before He's given the bench player minutes mcbride is having a breakout year It started last year in the playoffs now is happening this year like there we have some depth there now again Are these losses not concerning yet? They're definitely concerning but they don't make me think that they're a pretender now You know I'm saying jayla brus and i do agree with lu said Don't look at boss right now i'll put jayla brus on anybody else's team they have championship team right then in there too I just said they're content Definitely top time okay, and that's all i needed okay pro c no it was just a question Nick for both you guys nik and lu brus and over mitchell Yes Wow Spike are you wait are you serious why would i take down an image over or jelliv rus He's a better player It's not easy thought it's not easy thought that what y'all think it is But what is this? Look, hold on so so i wanted to just have the next idea For y'all to be i want to address something that that that that that spike that spike said he said um The nicks Are better than the mawaukey books. Yeah, they're definitely are they're not um and this is Quick and this is too.

This is not let me speak now. Um, this is the reason why They have the highest scoring duo in the mba the highest scoring duo Between dame lillard and yannas and yannas is a top three player in the mba and the nix have a non Top 15 a non top 20 barely a top 25 player in the mba where i could say dame is top 15 top 20 No, yannas is top three. Yes, I can Name right He's hired in bronson. He's a better person.

No, I just told you bronson is not jake I'm taking over dame lillard right now. You tripping Please run up a little They would even have a good record Lillard was in the field. They would be like 100 500 this if this was dame 5 6 years ago I'm with you. I would say dame is better But where i'm seeing dame at now bro rus to go out to the playoffs and i never I See I give you that.

Yeah, what are we great these things off of wins and losses? What happened to the bucks last year rus to the best player in the day, but it's the other square Because it just at this stage of his career what rus to is higher than dame But rus to the best player on the next team and he's not hiring yannas. So that's kind of how i look at it I give you that and that aspect and i'll take Um, dame over cat not rebounded and all that stuff, but of course, you know, I just would take him as more clutch than cat I don't just can't but you could argue that that jonnes is the best player in the league There's only probably one player that you play right? That's what i'm saying like saying that brus saying over jonnes is like i'm saying that about me under every niggin NBA No, no, but what i'm saying is that's why i'm comparing these two teams i look at that i say okay, well They got a top player and when you look at the others, that's what we want to judge from two Is the coach Is the coach Number two like i'm saying like i still like giving you know, it's on it Number two is dame there's number two is dame for sure.

Oh, you say we play the two two spot That's what i'm saying like who is the what's squatter we talking about outside of jonnes and the name of the ghost of dame Like and you got back rivas and darvin ham as your Okay, just turn around so are the um Okay, oh, okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on because c-cell to not tell you i thought you was on the right side of the fence Okay, so you jump on to the no no no you jump on to the side of the non basketball watchers Talk it talk talk it out the side of the neck Number one, you know, you know, i am a numbers guy, right? But i'm not gonna dive into a whole bunch of numbers i'm gonna dive into arguably one of the most important numbers when we're evaluating a basketball player And that's p.e.r You know, a p.e.r. Is player efficiency rated the all two at the top of the year understand And this is the reason why you'll take is trash Dain versus jaylin broson and obviously jaylin broson has a higher usage rate, right?

Jaylin broson's p.e.r. Is 22.3 to dames 24.4 Who's the more efficient player and he's the number two fiddle? Come on bro dame lillard. He's not gonna be that if he's number two Why would i expect him to be more efficient at the number that's the big because the best players are typically like a An above 25 p.e.r means you are elite not just good you are a superstar if your p.e.r Is 25 or higher he's point five away playing next to the highest p.e.r player in the league and i'm saying Where does that translate in wins and losses and i do you got the bucks coming out the east Then the next everybody got bossed everybody got bossed that's that's the team we're penciling in because they want to change this but you But you just you just you just playing to me based off of p.e.r How the milwaukey buzz arguably have two elite superstars on their team yeah high or in duo Oh in the NBA so that's a matter of two but you're so you're making the case that they have two elite superstars on her team In the east with championship pieces and a championship coach yet you have them not even I'm saying you have them I'm just going off the facts because that's what people trying to present but as i talk about I'm gonna say that right smoke when they play when they play here to make smoke That's what i'm saying Is missing because they average the same Amount of points per game as far as cat and day And then jerry's is not a score like he only expects a person to split up 30 at night He honestly scored like he has to put the points up.

Did you not just say that when the lights are the brightest cat hides away? I agree with you That's what i got russin You can't say that about russin you can't say that You can't say what i'm saying is this is that everybody has bossed and penciled in to make the finals coming out of the east And to me to me I have mawakki over the nix in terms of who i would place in the conference finals to get further than the nix because i don't believe in their Okay, and to me that's foolish So haven't we seen y'all just get set down post championship when they do the little play off wall paint? Yes No, they do the little wall thing where he can't get in the paint and he's Tom mary that was before he won the championship. That was after he won the championship Do you want to say they weren't doing it?

Okay, that was before i digress to you because you hit the best headbutt loop All right, so Everybody has boston has the favorites coming out of these yeah by far what about favors to win at all by far It's still bossing Dibber The west is so funny the west is trash let's be honest Really trash we only talk about the west because it's the same way we talk about the NFC Where it's like we got somebody got to come out of here The west is really like when it comes to Like when it comes to the odds on it. I'm sure the odds favorites to win a title has to be boston I'll be surprised anything else, but it's like everybody if you wanted to the season like who's the best team that's going to win again? It's like I was probably going to be boston because let's people mention early like they have the deepest team They got everything they got everything you want like what what is boston missing that all these other teams lack in multiple areas You know i'm saying like they have they have the big they have the shooting they have the wings they have the defense Um, they have the head coach. They have the organization makes great moves like Like like what like is Denver good enough to be don't know i don't think so yes This is not no you're not watching like for you to say that the west is trash You're not watching basketball bro, Denver is a really damn good team Okay, so he's a good team the Lakers will look like something I don't know how to help people gonna stop like what like what is you talking about Memphis is still a threat Can I ask you can I ask you what they show them just last year?

Did you even expect Dallas to make it out the west and get to the finals? No, no, you would have said the same teams that didn't get just it right Denver All the other goofy shit that he said yeah, so that's that's why i'm saying that the west is trash Because anybody you can make any body The east is a heavy favorite with boston. I'm saying one team though Yeah, but you can't any one team out the west and you can for sure say has a good chance Like you could be like you could say that doesn't make the conference trash You got one team in I mean you're basically saying boston is the best team in the whole enva which is fine Yeah, but that don't mean that that one team makes them better than multiple teams over there in the west I'm saying it's not even close can and i'm not and i'm over exaggerating by saying this trash I'm not saying there's nothing to watch in the west I'm just saying that regardless of what comes out the west it don't matter boston's winning it Like there's no case you can tell me right now that like this team out the west doesn't make the west trash though It does because like again last year Trash too, right? Well, they got the better team so I don't they have the team that has it that's one to win back to back championship But they have no competition in the east Is what i say wait until mr.

Robinson comes back It's like no matter what I say competition. I say they was go You know my thing is gonna shit all that there Listen, show, you know my thing was like I was like my success for the next is making it to the eastern conference final They gotta be the last two that's my success I ain't say that they went in time to the city i'm gonna be in the streets But my expectations they gotta keep building on what they've been doing and getting out of the second round and get to the east Conference files like they was posted last year if it wasn't for injuries So with me saying boston is the best is it's like it's just a fact like I don't see no team out the west that you can make it case I hope people talk about okay. See show. You know how to about okay.

See you know i'm saying I don't think you're saying about okay. See you're cleaving. No, just about the same basically basically down the Mitchell shagiel You know i'm saying that they they watch to me Boys, you're just talking uh Donovan Mitchell is good in shagiel. I'm talking about as far as like them being the superstars that lead their team It's it's a watch they have a good roster around them They're gonna they're gonna win you games that you probably shouldn't win but I don't think in the seven games series They can either one of them can be boss.

Hey, Nick. I think that guy on a okay. See j-dub is what they call him You're nice. I think he is what they what they've been telling us coming is You're all looking up All right, so uh, but yeah, all right.

Well, yeah, that'll Have to be that but before we move on to our second topic of the night. Let's take a quick at break If you are a fan of hip-hop and love unfiltered discussions on the culture check out dead in hip-hop from album reviews to hip-hop debates daddy hip-hop keeps the real So go to youtube.com slash daddy hip-hop search daddy or you can search daddy hip-hop to subscribe now dead in hip-hop no politics no bs And welcome back to the program. So up next we have a new segment We're introducing that we hope you guys like titled own watch and Shelton Is up with that segment? It's gonna run other than the king himself.

Let me tell you why he's on watch for me LeBron's router's career has been compared to Jordan as being one of the greatest players of all time Uh new age people would argue that he is the greatest player of all time However for veterans like myself and people who watch basketball for years and people who actually know the game is a story in some study They can tell you that it's not even close It ain't close As a matter of fact, there's a greater debate between one and two and Kobe and LeBron than it is Jordan and LeBron And he's on watch for me for one reason. He's on watch for me not Anything but for his legacy his legacy and the question of his greatness is on watch for me because you play with almost every great player that you can name Yes, he's had success on his own. That's why he's mentioned in the in the Ayls of the greats in in the history of the game. He deserves to be that he is definitely Then the top five no matter what how you shake that stick he's in the top five and some could argue he's between two and five But for me it would mean a lot more to his legacy if he was to have one with one of these guys and you saw improvement in their game Usually when he joins the team or when somebody joins him different.

Yes, then it's then that way throughout time. This was supposed to be 80 team and it wasn't um certain players like Kevin love who was actually great playing when he got with LeBron Dipped and played and you can name several others. Now you have the great liquid dance. How I don't know That's well for y'all to decide but you got a player fresh off an NBA finals Aren't we one of the best players in the NBA today?

On your team some kind of way now early on has not been impressive looking it hadn't been an I don't expect them to win a championship Some people do already. I don't know why but they do but I do expect improvement and I do expect to see Luke could continue to a scene and if we don't I think it should be a tarnish and a stain on your legacy. So for me the brawn James you're on watch Oh my god That's one of the craziest segments we've ever had Don't even accept these from just show them He's I say carry my secret LeBron James Only player that's gonna cross 50,000 points where we're questioning that guy Okay, so look look, you know the chat look let me give a little bit of backstory chat. We had a business meeting and we said that we got to do better We got to be more professional.

We got up our auntie, right? Hey I I'm going to like to sign him. I'm all I'm saying is I'm gonna be ready. I'm gonna be ready Here's the thing I like like the fact that's Celtic is talking about LeBron James at 40 years old When it comes to Winning playoff games, right because we talk in chat because we talk in legacy, right?

We're talking about winning playoff games without a team member that has earned All NBA or all defensive honors LeBron has won 55 playoff games without a teammate that has any one of those accolades 55 the next closest person is Kobe Bryant with 18 playoff wins the next closest is Michael Jordan with 14 step with 6k d with 5 Are we are you serious? Absolutely. We're talking about a guy that went to nine straight finals a guy that is going to equip 50,000 points a guy That is a multiple time MVP multiple time right? You should watch For me to correct for me to correct this yes, that's what it is.

That's the whole point. That's what I said You're just re-enterated the point that I said people say he's the greatest if you say he's the greatest He's gonna watch me right now and he has to make luka has to be able to send to the mountaintop with LeBron Otherwise, if it looks bad Then he not ascend mo Williams the june is a galski's kairi Irving We talk about the greatest of all time people That's it Absolutely Hey, look if this team does not do it like like so many have said Then I got questions about it. That's it those are unfair expectations like you saying that we know what your expectations of this team They can go to the playoffs. They can lose in the second round.

I'm losing conference finals without LeBron James every year He showed up and done his job, bro. There's there's no question About him being in the conversation for the greatest player ever I personally don't think he is because I grew up in a joint era I'm that old and I see him like what you are not know LeBron James ain't that but I'm not going to take away from the situation So LeBron has put himself in and has just been in to say all with him in a great play LeBron I didn't say when a great place. That's what you make to know I say we're not saying what you are questioning his greatness though You're questioning his greatness though If we are ranking players to the finals No, that's not what I said. I said if we're not but we're ranking players one two three in the history of the game This is by his fifth or sixth Greatest other player that's playing with him if he can't ascend this guy, maybe doesn't look better than I'm not buying him being number one.

I don't understand that college What do you mean? No, I mean we know lulis let him I understand why he's saying it I just think it's ridiculous to think that's a logical way to go about it, but he's not in his problem or he done This is just where I throw right so I take for his career and that's absolutely correct. Nick. So insane.

So which I agree with that and that's something I left out I agreed that he's he's in his twilight Which means this should be Lucas team and he should step aside and let look at Lee if he does that and they're effective Then there's nothing else to be said it's cool, but if he's still trying to be the man and he's dominating And he's taken away from it a JJ. No, they just JJ just who are you taking LeBron's coach? He's done a good job as coach Maybe but he's still a good coach The He's making the decision on whose team this is So you think he's gonna tell the brine you got to get out of the way in that lukely LeBron's gonna make that decision As your words as well upon hiring him to make the correct basketball system Well, let's see how it looks at two and two now. They're playing Dallas tonight, but I want to see it be Lucas team I want to see Lucas take over this team.

That's what you brought him there for well If he doesn't then what does that say about luka To be a small about LeBron. I'll be different if LeBron joined luka and Dallas It's the same this ain't luka team, bro That's what I'm saying is the brine scene To come in and tell LeBron he's a man. No, LeBron has the bro the brine has to give him that If luka is the talent that y'all saying that he is it's own him to come over and take control of his team But this ain't about talent. This is about leadership and this is about the person who is in control of everything Relate the published master at this place saying here you can you can do what you do If lorana give him that then that's what I'm talking about it And it's just the legacy for one two three it ain't got nothing to do it.

LeBron ain't trans. I'm not saying that whatsoever LeBron is in a wonderful career And Marty said uh, LeBron is playing more off ball this year than ever before So Oh, LeBron he said that luka's a natural quarterback and he's a natural receiver. He said he's gonna run the lane That outlet pass Say we want to talk about the sisters and we hear now So We're gonna stay in the east Sheldon took us out west but we're gonna come back to these I should say the Philadelphia 76 was a joell in be our consulting doctors And considering alternative options such as surgery for his injured left knee Is the 76ers process plan officially over and do they need to blow up the entire roster? Spike what you really can't talk because you was caping for Paul George Wrong I was definitely wrong like rep rep all these niggas up get all of them out of here Everybody's doing process.

That's that's what I'm showing that should have been your own Rogers. There are more but overall I will say this I've been ever since I've been on the show. I feel like there's a few takes that I've been stuck with And the one that I feel like I don't ever get brought up but like that a lot is my take on Philly because for years I said this process was a piece of shit because you can't win by losing and that was what this whole process was built on They have never been to the eastern conference finals. They got no championships.

They got no Banners or any kind for the easter whatever else the only thing that they got out of this was an MVP And that and some people say that's a it was a damn here MVP you know I'm saying so to me. Yes, go ahead and blow this up. You guys are willing to be they look the one part The one thing ESPN has been doing lately that I kind of don't like but for this case it made a lot of sense It's pocket watch they be trying to show how much niggas get paid every year sometimes based on certain contracts The amount of money that this nigga making bro working part time We were we was young that car reefer being a part-time emu player and now this nigga doing that part-time NBA shit Bro, this nigga making them a hundred million dollars a year over the next four years and honestly It don't even make sense because he doesn't again the winds don't translate the the points don't translate Um, I'm not gonna question his effort, but I just don't think he's worth it And if he's not if he's not worth it then everything about this whole process was a waste of time They wasted a lot of careers like joel or no less the well, uh, julioe joker for it I'm not trying to say these things would have been superstars, but I'm saying in a different environment They could have been at least productive. They could have been at the moseby You know I'm saying like like I just I think Philly wasted a lot like what's his name the one that uh got scared his tail and had anxiety and I was a mikel bridge or mikel Folks right?

No folks. I was like no worse. What was drafted by the uh, he's the rock Houston They ruin f and turner out of Ohio state. You know say like it's he ruined a lot of careers through this process So I will say mark your folks.

Yeah, I will say this. I've been talking about blowing up Philly for a little bit of time now because And I've been very critical of joiling me because I don't feel mentally he has what it takes to truly be a champion Physically when healthy he's one of the best players out that we've seen But else is the biggest question and availability availability is the best ability and he don't have none of it. You know what i'm saying? Um If it wasn't for the MVP and the good years he has had we will call this guy a bus now Nick i'm gonna address a couple of the things that you said in terms of julia ochrefer and no one's no well Um michael carter, you know, he was rookie of the year There's a lot of guys that that that that they drafted um and this was the disciple of dara moire I can't remember his name um that came before dara moire, but um No, it was impressive.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Um They were just drafting The best player available without trying to make the puzzle pieces work move back into draft if you don't feel like there's a guy So drafting three centers in a in a perimeter dominated lee makes absolutely no sense. It was terrible, bro And also they got the mark-out folks when you had the opportunity I in they sainted them low in lonzo ball. You know what i'm saying mark-out folks. I never believe i never I know you looking but i'm just saying i never believe the mark-out ball.

I always question mark-out So i'm only talking from my perspective. I can't talk, you know what i'm saying anybody else i'm just saying from my perspective I always question mark-out folks. Um It's over It's it's over the only thing that is salvageable is tyreese maxi now the the The hard part about this whole thing would be who wants join me? Yeah, you know because the business side You're not jerry your prince bro, you make it work go here people Oh You know so so the business side of the joellin b thing that takes that you have to bring back salary How sway who's giving up anything of value?

So to get joellin b and then don't even get me started on pg Pg i've been hyper critical about pg for the last eight years Pretender he's always been a pretender. He's never he's never shown up in the big moment So who's taking on that? Abbotchos of a contract This is arguably the worst situation that any team has ever been in outside the Mccell procaroff jr new jersey next when they were still in juries I was gonna say before you what about the nets with harden karae and kd that was the best situation too That was but but they were still movable assets. Obviously they still moved on from karae.

Kd still has value to today James harden is reestablishing his value those guys have about pg and joellin b have zero about who's called who's picking up the Forte haver Hey, can I get this guy? It's something going on there because these guys are broken man You started with being simmons we saw in ourselves because I think we went to that heart scam and sorry We did anyway watching him, you know in that series like lose it all in the middle stuff That went on with being semis. That's when when the process really broke down It started with being semis mentally then joe and b physically and it was over after that There's nothing there's nothing left because they were the last two standing members of the process that made sense Nothing else made sense and when jimmy bother came in that was when you had every opportunity to win it all You know pulling it out. It looked like a real team at that point and that's lost It was I don't think it was that love.

I think it was them choosing to buy his hair over jimmy bother That's what it was. Yeah, that was that was Because I don't know what's jimmy left because I think they coulda salvaged I think jimmy was good enough to at least be the glue to keep like At least take the blame or like be the leader that people thought pen simmons was going to be as the point guard And I say that jim would've been the point guard i'm just saying take that lee's your role And then obviously be the the number two in command with joe lmb on the court as like the two, you know wing You know wing big uh combo But once they left him and they let him go to my anywhere and harvests that played out that broke him That was the shot at like when the 34-30 comes out that's gonna be like what broke him And that's why the quilin is shot never they don't want to tie with that yet Yeah, the quilin is what did it but what i'm saying is I wanted jimmy saw Have foresight to see what we didn't see Jimmy Wasn't that jimmy just wanted his bread and miami was willing to pay it No, no, there's some credence what jimmy saw behind the city said he wanted to say did he? Yeah, he wanted to say because he wanted the money like that's just a professional right thing to do into say right? Jim was terrible in that game seven i think by the way He was it happens What happens jimmy is a cancer I don't disagree can he can't be cancerous, but you know sometimes he could be benign and right now He's benign with worries that being said he got to Philadelphia.

He had major issues in jay jay jay ready talking about it on his podcast Um the coach uh, what's his name? Uh pop the cycle i can't remember his name. I can see him in my eye I don't know. I don't even talk about it.

Yeah, I can't remember his name But he's very docile not a strong leader. He didn't call out the bs and jimmy's like, yo Like i'm here one week. Why the hell we not you know, so we know that jimmy has a very demanding personality can be cancerous Brett brown, thank you. Um, jimmy can be cancerous at times can but at the end of the day We know this jimmy comes to perform right and is he gonna have an all-game in a playoff here in there?

Of course, but can't game seven. That's that's the money game. That's a huge game And I only mentioned game seven by the way chat. I won't talk about those series, but when they needed them most he wasn't there Okay, but he took he took a worse team and in Miami he said a final multiple time So that's why i say it happens can because he because we never put him at a superstar level I think he did i think he still is super star Oh my turn he turned around the world is kid He said war got the best organization.

He's ever been But I hate I hate it though because I you know at this point like I said jonie It seems like a broken man. I'm not just talking about his injuries a lot of this stuff seems like it's physical as well as mental And like I said we saw what happened being Simmons. It just didn't work out It didn't in the process may have worked it couldn't had an opportunity to be to work out, you know if things have been different but Well, they may go the pieces around it had to be in place. I think it depends on what How you define success for the process Right, um they went from being one of the worst teams to the lead to being a playoff team, you know being in in contention for the playoffs Um, they screwed up a lot of picks.

I give you that but they found a franchise guy in and beat They knew he was he was injury prone because he missed the first two years But they also used that as our opportunity to try to stack stockpile Um more picks. So I think in terms of it being it was successful up to a point meaning that they were they managed to become relevant again Um, and they became a playoff contender I think the issue that they ran into of course is they didn't they didn't pick a championship They didn't win a championship or even come close So and I think that is the problem then joe lmb as he gets older and as most players do as they get older He is starting to fall apart. He was already fragile and and brittle before but age is going to make that accelerate even more And I think the other thing is when I think about these guys that you know This revisionist history that people love to do about who would it should have could have Would Jason tatum even been who he is with jaylin brown even been who he's turned into be turned out to be in philly given How their organization has been and the leadership of that organization We don't know the answer to that, you know, it's possible that the best versions of Jason tatum and jaylin brown Were gotten out of buster and we could be talking about them the same look at how we talked about Jason tatum and jaylin brown for years before they won a championship years We talked we criticized jayson tatum just as much as last year about his mental fortitude And will to win 100 can but but this is where I will push back just a little bit from a pieces fitting Jason tatum's game fit better than markele false markele false was to a degree Not like 100 but a smaller guard, right? Like it's not like he was like ben simon 6 and like just oversized guard he i wouldn't call him undersized but average Five more guard though people he's six four he was six four So it you know like that's russel wesbroke.

It's it's not amazing, but it's good enough. It's good enough But again, the way markele false played at washington How does that mesh with ben simon because he needed the ball right like a scoring duo combo guard where this tatum is a bucket getter premium size at the position And he could guard multiple multiple positions where markele false can markele false regard the one in the two This is typical walking five depending on who the five is so so just on a basketball fit he made more sense And then if you wanted a True point guard in my opinion monsieux was a better true point guard But then why would you put him and ben simon together so again like you said you already mentioned can they messed up a lot of draft things But but and can the only other thing on top of Some of what people was saying is like for me We saw early success with boston a can and they sustained that we were more so critical about it because our level of expectations Rose as they did with indeed it was like I don't even want to put it on and be like with philly. It was just like y'all can't even get out the second round Like what's going on? I have all this talent and y'all still can't get out the second round It's it seemed even worse that because at least with boston everything like maybe should trade tatum Maybe should trade brown like maybe just one piece away from you getting over a hub of a championship We were like we don't know how the hell you're not even getting to the finals the conference finals like what's stopping y'all from there?

Is it the players is it the coaches is organized? Like it was a whole cluster fucker things to me and it's still going on to this day That's why like a lot of the stuff that we put on in B because he's gonna be the last man standing but At the same time, I can't just throw it all on him and look like I keep telling you brown East Africa So all that West Africa this it don't matter to me. I don't care about it I say it again. I knew he was gonna dress it At some point That's like a west coast thing of saying some east coast this is against you You're a fucker You hate Brooklyn I don't disagree I think the expectations were different but I think the criticisms were very similar and I think if Tayson was in Philly I think it would have been heightened even more because of the the Criticisms of the process overall like it was a very dysfunctional environment that a lot that people started to call out and look at so it was very dysfunctional So you throw Tatum in the midst who seemed to not be able to handle the pressure that was put on him in Boston Then Tatum would have received just as much criticism Um, you know in in Philly and we would still be have probably more than likely having the same issues But do you you wouldn't have made it in Philly?

He slept with his mom team with start team bro Oh wow No he didn't Look at camp That's how he said I was gonna say Do you think he said do you think they should blow the hook? I don't think race and if you think they should blow up the rock boating I'm not actually maxi. Let's keep maxi to me. That's the one that's the one that you keep on They don't shit Report Yeah, he's solid though.

I fuck with maxi, but you don't build a team around time. He's maxing Yeah, sounds insane. That's why I build around Taylor brothers I don't know. I don't know.

I think Let it let it team to the conference final. So now what you try to say? Oh, would you? I think um Who do you lead to the conference final?

You tell my doubts Let's talk about blessing Um, I think that uh It's a tough situation because I think I have to see what people are saying So I don't know if you guys put it in the chat somewhere that mentally and be is going through some issues or something like that Like he doesn't seem like he's the same so if he's checked out then you you gotta let him go But it's a buyers beware because what is he almost 30 over 30? Like Physically, there's no way he's gonna be able to keep going at this rate So, um, yeah, you you have to do some serious low managing with him And then I don't know how you build pieces around because Matt seeing him be works Paul George came in and didn't do shit But and beat has been hurt. So we haven't had a chance to really see what this theme truly could have been if if he was healthy But we see the value of him be because with him not with him nowhere not even touching the court They want to become a close to winning games and then Paul George get hurt got hurt and then it was a wrap So he is the the internet drives that team, but I don't know right then you can't get shit from for him I mean, you probably could you know, I mean shit they wait in and out shit nowadays Yeah, you get you can get six bad picks for Rudy go burr. Right.

I know you can get probably them their half a franchise I still best would be though. I'm not anti-beat. I'm still Rudy hasn't missed time. He's always available.

Rudy's hurt now In comparison and relative to you want to be he'd be one percent or You want goot never mind. I didn't say that kid. I'm just Okay, everybody put a GM cap on real quick. Are you calling Billy to trade for dwelling B?

No, no, no The That's a trade for They need to see out honestly nobody give a fuck about Brooklyn that's like that That's right for them because they need a name. Yeah, that's what they do. That's they got all that's KG. Yeah You know, so shot at the KG too.

He got he getting ready to get the job in Memphis, right? I mean Minnesota's front office All right. Well, anyway, uh, I guess we'll find out man But I think the end is definitely near for in beat and uh, and we're gonna move on but hey, I mean they got a MVP that couldn't get them to the conference finals. It is what it is.

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We need to have a talk about john marant uh John marant over the last two years since he's been emulating brazilda um Hasn't been on the court a lot. I don't know if you guys noticed that right you guys noticed that john marant over the last two years Has missed 57 percent of games and he has been hurt with injuries after injuries is a little bit next here and there and 2023 when he had that suspension he missed 73 games He was suspended and then as soon as he came back he had season ending shoulder And he had a season ending shoulder injury and then of course he also has missed a lot of games this year He's missed 22 games this year I think john marant with his hoflion act and everything he's doing he's doing people have compared him to the way And everything like that and I know the numbers are good and and that's good But I would like to point out that there has been a little bit of a decline in his numbers since he's been back He's down down to 20 points a game and seven assists at four rebounds shooting 44 percent from the field 31 from three 81 percent from the free throw line because that was about 33 30 minutes a game But it's uh his scoring you know, of course as decrease and then also I mean value like look at how their team performs without chamaran on the Team like they still are able to win games. So john marant had peaked He had a great moment and as soon as john marant got into trouble While he's been a numbers man. He ain't been the same and I think we need to start watching john marant for um for his injuries I mean, he had a terrible game, which happens, you know over the last a couple of weeks ago But I don't know man.

I think uh, I think we need to I need to think we might need to start looking at john marant and have a conversation about john marant and his ability to stay on the court I'm glad you cleaned it up kim Because taking the that angle of injuries. I'll give you that I'll give you that you know So he hasn't been as available as need be but when he is on the court, we can't question that We can't question look what what have we been doing? We we have you know, I don't know what crazy in this spike saying because you need it But we have a lot of people have been criticizing players for being injury prone Zion of course since he came in the league whatever I noticed a different situation But um, but people talk about Zion people talk about him be I would say over the last couple of years john marant has been hurt as well And has been missing games for a number of different reasons So the suspicion thing is over but every time I look up the man hurt the man ain't playing You know how I know because I got him on my fantasy team That's why and maybe this is coming from that and maybe this is the source of that But every day i'm talking about look up this man is out and not playing a damn game And i'm sick of it and i'm tired of nobody is having this conversation about john marant and his damn injuries And this need to be said we talk about every other damn person out here except john marant and you know somebody else who we probably need to look at And he ain't there yet chat chat chat is another one but i'm saying Yeah Early on this and that's why i'm gonna have to call you ahead Because I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you're saying. I just don't Again, it's but i'm always very uh, empathetic to injuries.

I don't think we should wear When it comes to You just did this whole thing about him being that you have a pathetic injuries I'm empathetic well and beat is more is bigger than just that's why i said it's about the whole organization It's bigger than the beat with the whole Philly thing But with josh, it's more of like When he's when he's playing rally but tell he's active now There's the stupid shit that you're talking about that you angry about is more so the off of course it which would kept him off You know like playing and really fucked up his whole image because he could have really been to face an mva by now but um Right now i'm just i'm i have high expectations for Memphis this year That's why i'm trying to tell you like give it just the rest of this year before you say that Because I think that Memphis is actually going to be really good in the playoffs coming up Um, do I think they're coming out the west? I mean, I don't know nor do I probably care because like you know I think about the third in the wish right now, but that's what i'm saying like I had high expectations for john Not only to have a comeback season, but he gonna help the grisly make a deep post season run So I'm waiting to see how this year play out But if he if they end up just getting knocked out in the second round so shit like that and i'm probably gonna be there John meringue is damn near irrelevant Like damn he did that to himself though He did that to himself though He's digging himself out his own whole I'm like this on the court performance. I think it's off the court in mba being like we're not in the court He only missed 25 games for the suspicion That's it, but nik you said it perfectly like you know You said that because I forgot to put that in my nose Yeah, that was part of the thing like I remember when we were actively talking about john meringue And yeah, that would be a highlight here And I think he just dunked on somebody you know a while back that kind of floated But john was supposed to be like the like you said the face of the mba The suspicion happened and then he couldn't stay on the court. He has missed 95 games over the last two years 95 that's a lot of games man Don't get me started John that's what i'm trying to say like john Like if how we look at anything over today is how we look at john back then It's crazy to say like because they're not that much uh different at age But That's just how much potential we had for them as far as being faces of the league if not the face I'm just saying but give him the rest of this here to see if he can get some of that back I'm not trying to say he's gonna take over the spot because I think they trying to give it to luka But I think that I would I would if when healthy I would pick this Memphis team and the seven game series over the Lakers for this season I would pick them to give okay, see a run for the money Uh, you know, I think this Memphis team is highly underrated.

However, that's also going off the back of john meringue He has to elevate he can't he can't be sworn 20 points again And i'm still saying that like i'm expecting him to be a higher, you know More efficient and and more uh dominant than what he's doing now But this is the year for him to do it outside this year that i'm not really going to look for him or check for him like that Slick Jackson the best way on their team He's the most consistent he's the most consistent. I don't see the best bro They've been taking $345 million. He's the best person there to bro. They gave over pays a lot of mama focus Okay john tuber Yeah Because he don't qualify But if he qualify they would have paid him Jackson has done the things to qualify for their money John had that speaks that speaks the king's point like john John still is the phrase for that franchise the loop.

I mean Jackson is a solid player, but you ain't got nobody working right with no jack I'm not paying somebody $345 million in other place in my franchise Why you guys like that? Why you guys like he's not the loo you think Jackson is the face of the No $45 million the highest contract ever in the NBA. Yes, the face of the franchise I know i did a little thing on job, but john and that's part of the reason why because he is supposed to be or is the face of that franchise It's just we never see your face Like to your point king y'all time I pre-gun free injury They should do the transition or the pivot to Jackson being the face of their franchise He don't wanna be able to hear awards. He don't want this there every night Why wouldn't he be the face of the franchise because it's because loo it's who the kids pick and you got kids that know who jai is Nobody and he's making the highlight plays the duck leave, you know, john don't go somebody in a minute The same reason it would be that you can't take that from them.

You can't just name your back How long since he's been a once average eight points a game he was a face of the franchise with his sister Like there's no reason that they shouldn't be pivoting to jack that was The unique team No, no, no, no, you're not telling me that jai's a face of this franchise. Yes to king point He averaged 20 points a game and he's rarely there the person that's there every night is jackson The person who's making the most money is jackson the person who's making the most impact is jackson Why would you face? I'm gonna cut all that out. So based off of your logic the bias hair should have been the face of the Okay, okay, okay I don't even see how you compare to bias hair is to he was there all he was always available He went as productive Every year in the league Who I was just I was gonna say I do again what lu saying isn't necessarily wrong just to face the league comment Jackson has been the most consistent player jackson's probably their best overall pick in a long time Just based off of I know exactly what i'm getting out of this player and he's gonna give you good effort and more consistency But jos the superstar like he's not a Was he was he was no no no no no no he still is you know why because he sells jerseys He gets ratings up marketing though We're talking about face of the franchise I'm talking about what's my marketing focus to Jackson Nobody's going to go watch a defensive player in a year candidate Like what does jerry Jackson do that puts butts in the seats That's why you can change the narrative they're going to watch the highest pay player in the league candidate If you know he's making that much money people want to see it was or Doesn't matter No, no, they don't no they don't the casual fan that goes to maybe two or three basketball games a year And watches maybe a handful on tv does not care to that degree of how much this player is getting paid What they what that fan cares about is how many highlights do we get and jerry Jackson as much as I love him as as a basketball player as a bit He does I don't care what he doesn't do anything spectacular That's why the face of the franchise the face of the league is always somebody that is spectacular where you have to say Your text may be like a yo this person's going off like luco right now everybody in the chat talking about luco going off Potential face of the mba and Edward he be yaming on everybody potential face of mba Victor webbing elma 75 guard pulling up from three and then getting four or five blocks a game potential Uh face of the league jerry Jackson julian.

You know what I'm talking about a bird you know what jerry Jackson Let me ask you as a basketball person how much different is jax is getting from winbies That's right way different way that what i put you like this You argue He's not efficient. He's not efficient. He's not efficient. I was As we're talking about this uh this meff is grizzly uh phoenix sun's game is going crazy right now and Jod just damn there made it a one-point game by shooting at three Uh and there's only like a second.

He's coming off the beard. Okay. He look like bill bellamy now, bro. That's crazy Jaws 0.9 from the same game.

He's 0.9 for three Or 19 that rough game. Yeah, you're gonna be out tomorrow He was a little nicked up and it bleeds into the score court I was person as ass as i was watching the game 14 14 14 in pre-throw line, that's crazy But by the 20 from the field though All right, let's move on um to the the NFL um shit Uh the los angeles rams have given quarterback Matthew staffers agent permission to speak to other teams about his market value A source confirmed to espn this bad saturday should the piss bird still is making a priority to do whatever it takes to trade for the staffer No, they should make a question. They have fields like they should double down on fields That's thing. Yeah You ever say coming from you you have just a field in Matthew Stafford Well, he's been my time with my time.

They can make my time to wife believe in him I have just the fields that he's that for Yeah, y'all told me the fields was a decent quarterback fee for in chicago. What did you tell us? He was three when they put him on events. I would rather go with fields and I was staff in the sense of If you get staff and you lose in the first round like they've been doing people okay, that's what the Steelers have been doing I would rather Bank on the potential of fields versus staff are being an old-ass man Y'all bringing him in and if it don't work as a blessing if it do work Maybe he gets you to the second round of the playoffs versus the first no like brand to bring the people in to build fields up to the quarterback That you want him to be and then go from there.

I don't want Matthew staff Oh man broke 50 million dollars a year. I'm paying him 50 million dollars a year He was having a tightness and she liked it. Okay, and and lose how much they paying Justin Fields and what Russell Wilson less than 10 million dollars a year Oh, I'm just saying like how much is paying them so little do for y'all like we all we understand that this is a quarterback leave Like you gonna have to spend bread regardless of where we're gonna see if you have a good to great quarterback You gonna have to spend bread and Pittsburgh does not have a good to great quarterback They just got quarterback The bridge develop as a That don't make sense. That's doing the same thing they've been doing they did that last year.

We're also Wilson That doesn't make you lose but I like I told you because my talent is as good of a coach as he is You're never picking in the top five. You just never gonna do that So not so lose you got a train for him. Look if that was if that was a possibility to be done by now The one thing that we talk about we talk about my way what if it's developing If Pittsburgh developing the quarterback to be that number one like we talk about if it could have been done it had been done by now The one thing you say about Mike Tomlin wait real quick That's not true because my show is not as good as Justin Fields. They haven't had a good quarterback since Ben Ross Who have who could they have developed?

Can you pick it? They was supposed to develop Kenny picky? They had they had options you you you what I'm saying though is the one thing we talk about we talk about Mike Tomlin Is he's never had a quarterback other than Ben Roberts burger to lead that team if you put a good quarterback and surround it with players that they have Special defense then that's what a great coach like him should need to put him over the top That's what they're missing somebody get the ball to George Pickens and I take him I'll take I'll take a flyer on Matthew staff You have the person that you need you prove that you can win games with him last year Put the the things around him that he needs to develop and go from there I don't need to pay Matthew staff for 50 million dollars to hold You develop Justin Fields you put weapons around him you make that defense better You hire the people that can make him better as far as coordinators quarterback coaches or whatever you need and then you move from there Matthew step is not the answer for the Steelers. He was somebody like the Titans like the Titans to take that to step for And take 100 no pick and they're irrelevant again.

No The time is now for the Steelers. You can't wait and develop somebody by the time you develop and your TJ watch But he had the full offseason you say He played like four days We got benched I Tj why I don't think he has a playoff win In like the last five years if ever as a steal it you know I'm saying so he's getting along in the two His injuries are already kind of starting to pop up as quiet as his kid Nick if it's Patrick, you already know how I feel about safety. Guess how you think I feel about old safes you know I'm saying so So this defense this this juggernaut and Cameron Heyward is about them. They're pushing his He's about to get a ARP card This defense is about the crumble in the next two three years Like that's as long as Matthew staffers window of opportunity is now granted I get what you're saying about that deal But shit at this one in time, you got to eat it you go and buy a house Written You know I'm saying like it depends on what you really want to do and the the family don't want to rent no mo and the family is the fans These stealer fans they want to see deep play off run.

They're used to that It's nothing been doing that in the last five years. We've seen the bangles but we've seen the Eagles win the Super Bowl twice You know say we see a lot we've seen a lot of shit happen since the last uh stealers play off win, which is nuts We saw the Eagles win with a below average quarterback just like just a few years So if I can put the right people around just a few just like I can put around saying that right bro Zayla hurts Zayla hurts is the same thing as just a few Just gotta think around here Different the situation is different the situation is different because think about how long it took them to build that online so it was You don't you don't build that online in one offseason or even two offseason seasons That took multiple years and then they took the flyer on a guy with the intangibles that jayla hurts had inserted him And now they've been the two super bowls in one one You know, so so it takes time and I agree with nick that defense don't have that time to be invested because that defense is win now So I I don't disagree that I think long-term for the Steelers It is the smart decision to invest in a quarterback that you can develop for the future But the way that they're constructed you got it you got you got to push the chips in right now And now that makes sense because you told me two years ago feels good You told me that you said that but he's a project though Stafford you were a project two years ago exactly He had to go because he's going from the middle Well, it's been a natural Yeah, I'm crazy y'all Y'all cosign field No, no, when we told you was that he has potential and to realize potential you have to play last season would have been the perfect opportunity to let him play the whole season On this look I started about why you bring your muscle listening you let Justin Fields go open up the offense You're already winning with him. Let's see what you have so that way this year you can make your decision Whether we are buying or renting right now because they could because they decided to continue to rent You still got it right now. You can't buy the time is not right And and Lou I'm just I'm shocked because literally months ago he was making fun of it.

It's not even that logo And he talked about some p2a I'm over Mattie's effort at that you should be saying that she's saying that you know stop it I'm not not making fun of him. I'm just saying it's a better option than bringing stuff and paying 50 million dollars Everybody on this panel. Y'all are telling me about Justin Fields is true There is no reason why he shouldn't be the star on quarterback but it's still his next year. I'm not even looking at Matthew What has just a field's done?

We know that's average Money These different things I can do that with the money that I save not paying Matthew Stafford if y'all are telling me the Justin Fields is good Then let's put him back their quarterback and let's build out the rest of the team like we need to build it out and we can be more Sustaining in the future. I don't understand why would I'm acting because it was no sense because Lou like someone said But if they could have done it would have been done about now, you know, this is really when desperate times call for desperate measures That's what I'm trying to say they have five years to do this They have five years to do this they have five years to do all I'm going off We have to really start talking about the NFL and realistic terms because it's part of the most realistic sport out there Where it is that's mostly the answer that you can get because Rebuilding an offensive line or building an offensive line in general is hard It's only about five good teams that have an above average offensive line. That's it The rest of them all focus is either below average or shitty trust me I got a room for one of them You know I'm saying so like building an offensive line is not easy This break had five years to do that. Yeah, five years to build a quarterback get an offensive line and kick nagie here to the curb Sheldon they don't under that.

They don't under that, bro So at this point in time, that's what I'm asking Lou Who else are you spending $50 million on that roster for? Nobody? I'm building the offensive line with their $50 million like you're saying No, there's no way that I'm doing that for that Listen y'all got to forgive me He talking from a perspective of paying $16 million for what they do Yeah Doc ain't gonna say that but they paid their car so that I can still feel better about that Yeah, they can pop back in here and say something now y'all paid their car I'm saying is there's no reason that the Steelers would pay that much money for a quarterback Lead that shit to somebody like the Titans and the Colts I do like that option with the Titans that is a random I'm not a Titans. That's what I'm doing.

I'm taking I'm taking Stafford. I'm trapped in Hunter and now we relevant But you might be able to give up that first of all that for us. That's they gonna ask for that No, no, I'm just gonna pay you the ramp and I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up shit to get Stafford He's a free agent basically.

He can go wherever he wants to they can sign him pay him $50 million They can trap trap his hunter tell him they want him to play receiver and automatically the Titans are relevant again That they can win that division with Hunter and Stafford the Steelers don't have that option They've been needing a quarterback five six years, bro Fields has done a decent to above average job at playing quarterback for them Here you see really well Here y'all flip on it is crazy Anyway Still being That just the fields as a starting quarterback for the Steelers is a better option than paying Matty staff I'm actually with spike. Don't go get that old as man. They keep trying to go get these old decrepit Which shining thing oce bro that we talking about a great offensive mind You know tomlin is not an offensive coach and they cannot hire offensive coaches Stafford would not work in Pittsburgh. So just stick to uh, just the fields and look They have great.

They didn't have great old zero zero. They got an arterial moat. They got an arterial moat He's just saying this so he can shit own tomlin He wants to be coming. He won't fail.

It didn't make me like many hair Matthew Stafford Matthew's never wanted to go I don't have no I don't need any kind of reason to shoot on the Steelers First of all second of all, and my crazy to say that Matthew paying Matthew staph This makes worse sense the thing it just the field And my crazy to say it's good to see how it's good to see how it's good to see how it's good Yeah, so we got a One more step to go but before we do that we're gonna hit this quick break and be right back with fee-fos power rankings and spikes Worse performance of the week after this quick break If you're looking for real conversations and motivations to be your best check out another week in the books with spike blue and rich It is your go-to podcast for growth and community as they inspire each other to be better through conversations And you can be a part of that as well another week in the books wherever you get your podcast All right, all right, uh spike Worse performance of the week brother man what you got for us We tapped into this earlier, but i'm still gonna double down on this oil and beat man. This nigga's a scammer He's a disappointment to the league. He's a disappointment to the NBA We seen this shit when he came out of Kansas and he missed that whole first year and people thought oh it was going to get better But it never did and now look at the situation that we in he's played almost the same amount of games that he's missed over the stretch of his NBA career and they have to have some like look up the surgeries they talking about having with this dude It's insane. He's scammed the Sixers It's worse of the week worse by far the processes over the Sixers are done.

I had this before we talked about it in this No disagreements there left the panel speechless I want to call him a scammer, but you know, there's a scammer bro. He's a scammer. He's a scammer bro He's not what they was buying bro. I feel you know, they was buying a Blue.

I know you like jz what he say famous line would rather be a underpader overrated That's the story of Joellen B Yeah, I was on mute. Thank you. Um, all right. Let's move on to uh, FIFA's power rankings.

Let's go You know graphics Hey man, I said these in on time Let's see don't make doc hop on your bro Hey, hop on Come on, bro. We start off the new show I had 10 I had 10 so You're doing 10 or five 10 10 10 is crazy 10 is insane, bro Crazy, send the tone send the tone All right now say five okay. Well, shit. Um, he said fuck your It's a technicality.

All right, so I did the top 10 Current NBA players. So that's the reason why I had to ask Nick if general brussel was top 10 because he's absolutely wrong at number 10 Now I'm going um to the bottom five But at number 10, I got Anthony Davis at number nine. I got Victor Wimbledon yama and number eight I got Kevin Durant at number seven. I got Jason Tatum at number six.

I got Nuka dancic All right. So at number five Steph Curry Steph Curry is still that guy still the engine that could um out here balling still has the golden state warriors in the hunt You know saying but undersides his whole life ever since Davidson, but he just overcomes and he is still that guy right now At number four or I'm sorry. Uh, yeah number four. I got LeBron James Two old two old dudes back to back, but LeBron 40 years old still doing amazing things 24 game Basically 25 if we're running up uh 7.7 rebounds basically eight and nine assists the game at the age of 40 It just got 40 in the garden from who else is done what LeBron is doing now?

Don't listen to shelter. Listen your boy. All right at number three We got one of the young guns in the league day. Gil just Alexander MVP Contender again just like he was last year has okay.

See um, you know top of the west It's not much to say man. Shae Gil just is one of those dudes at number two Giannis at the kungpo I'm one of the few people that probably say his name phonetically correct, but what can I say? May Giannis leads the NBA in win shares. You know saying he also has the Awaana say he has the highest p.er as well.

So Giannis is definitely a monster, but at number one It's not always all about What the numbers say it's about what the eyeballs tell you and what the eyeballs to my eyeballs tell me is that joker is the best player in the NBA this guy's averaging 29.2 points 12.6 rebounds 10.4 Assist per game from the center position while shooting 57 and a half percent from the field This guy and he has the second highest win share rate behind Giannis The reason why I picked joker over Giannis is the way he commands the offense He's more of a natural basketball player and outside of athletic ability. There's no deficiencies in his game Joker is the best player in the league right now. Who did you have a turn over 10 spot? Anthony Davis He's not better than joker but i think she is yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. He is Yes, he is.

Yes. Yes. Chad. Chad.

What do y'all think if people had the choice between choosing Anthony Davis or joker right now? They choosing rumba They take out his name I can say Giannis last night, but he said he docked himself bad a few years ago. That's why he know it I took the kupo Nah, I only said it was depression. Oh, but uh, but wow man.

So shaz Third over over y'all this He's not over y'all this that's what i'm asking. I think he should be Nah, nah, I still think y'all this affects the game in more ways than she does especially on the defensive and um, Keep our more positions than shake, but she's still on the up and up. You know what i'm saying? Like y'all this is at the apex of his prime.

She is just now just barely scratching it I think yeah, i'm agree with you. If I think we disrespect the fuck out of y'all this bro And it's crazy how we don't look at y'all this I still honestly, bro. I still don't feel comfortable having joker over y'all this but like it's fine I'm not gonna really be upset about it, but he should be no lower than two bro Like it's still one of the best and probably go go down as one of the greatest players ever I mean when I was looking at the numbers by the numbers alone Y'all this should be number one and that's why I said it wasn't just the numbers It was my eyeballs what they tell me but by the numbers by far y'all this is the best player number by the number I could argue she should be number five on your list and you move everybody else up. Mm I think I think I think again, this is just me.

I think the love of fair overshay is like, okay That's fine. He's doing really well, but by the fuck are we thinking he's number three in the NBA? What has he done? Well, this year again first place So yeah, that's like he had on the last last year too didn't you show them?

Yeah, but this is just We just we see what he did last year to what happened he lost the Dallas He lost the team. No, I was even coming up the fucking west No, but he was a fat white boy, but we knew this about okay. See and I said y'all can run the tape okay See wasn't ready yet. They was gonna take an asshole, but it was too young So so they wasn't ready to take that jump last year as good as they were right?

I kept saying they wasn't they wasn't gonna make it out How far you think he's going this year with okay, I think they could make it out I'm saying I'm saying like bed money was how much would you bet like well, we're gonna put around for round from the Yeah, I'll put money on it. They're making a conference What about you? You do it like that you bet money to the conference. Yeah, they will can't you too?

No, I'm not Well right now we're gonna jump into our super chats as we get ready to close out the show But the highly anticipated game between the Lakers and the Mavericks I've known Nico Harrison with like a damn fool Kyrie has 14 points the score is 43 36 Lakers right now Kyrie with 14 And uh and the white boys on the Lakers are going off Luka has 974 and also Reeves has now he's up to 10 and two and LeBron is uh is checking in with seven points and uh and five rebounds Josh, uh, John Rengers won this game. Can don't you know that good? He's he hit a time game. We want to take a left and a one and over time.

Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep Hey, I just ate when he's on the court. That's what you can do.

I'm just saying he heard you Good. Yeah. He's good. He's now.

Let's see him stay on the court for the rest of the season You know, um, all right. So anyway, uh, Put that pull up. It should be a I believe between jennon ronson and tatum Uh, so let me know if you guys don't see it super chats and then if when that ends, we'll read the results I don't think I'll be able to see them. I am but I just want you all to read it if y'all see it Rachon Davis is over for him be nicks or trash man.

He came through with the Double win. Yeah, gosh. Dang. I don't care about the enbe shit.

The next is definitely a trash That's just hating It's open doors. I foolish do the uh, enbe joker comparisons look now Does he even have a better career than cat at this point? Also pg is the thief of the century He has a better career than cat. Um, we just got to see how this next one would cat goes because k and cat get a little ring on He does not he does not have a better career.

I'll say that And he doesn't have a better career than cat. No, no, I mean, he does have a better career than cat. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah It's not MVP.

Yeah Yeah, it was honorary He makes 400 games bro. Okay, so he's missing that And that's what gives him be the upper hand. He missed all of them games. He's still got an MVP.

What has cat done? Nothing He lost his team That's what I'm trying to say. What do you just players on of MVP's he gonna say don't leave the phone? And be the scammer broke.

Y'all give me the players. No, it's just answering the question That's it. I don't recall you ever really talking about cat like that. It's a little wiper time.

You say that you look at me Don't do that. Hey man. All right, man It was different parts of the country Have good relationships with My girl bridges looks like he works at apple Yeah, let's see what else we got we done boys Nix is still a top four team in the east just gotta say healthy anything I have in the playoffs y'all hate I think the issue is them staying healthy. Yeah, yeah Even if they are healthy can they not they're not beating Boston like porzingis is gonna have That's any team in the NBA though.

That's what I'm saying. Like that's not saying you have to take Boston out of the conversation Let's talk about the rest of these niggas Well, especially The books can beat the mix you hype in the books like crazy with Doc rivers on the side I don't disagree, but I still think that they could beat the mix Uh, we don't boy assistance so bad. They have two of the worst contracts they do and last two Steven a spliff at this point is inside the NBA net positive or negative for the league and its perception on the game and players You can't blame a tv show for the product. Yes, but it's interesting.

It's interesting the conversations being head around that though They do talk really negatively about the NBA. They wouldn't let ESPN or another entity do that It's just because they're so popular that they are able to talk that negative about the NBA You've heard people from ESPN say NFL has called them when they they they doing too much and they're not talking good about they league So it's really interesting in the sense of how bad it can talk about it and I do think it controls in there too I don't I think the games control the narratives If like if LeBron don't sit off the all-star games because he don't give a fuck if the dunk contest don't let white boys keep winning it You know say like if if you actually cared about the regular season based off a lower management all this other goofy shit It's like yes, we would that they would have better than because when the league was popping during the the heatals and they go to stay running like they wasn't talking shit about it then Somebody now should hear it. That's a good point But I do I do think that their narrative that they push does influence people to continue to pile onto it It's not and you don't have that with any other league or any other people that they do sports Because anything only only charge Barkley and Shaq are able to do that like nobody else can do it They would shut that shit down anywhere else but because they're entertaining and because people relate to it like okay, let this You're right, but I think that for a lot of what they say they are speaking facts now I don't always agree. I agree take um, but I think that they are some of the best honesty brokers in sports You know like it's why the show so good.

Yeah Yeah, and I think that the NBA is a struggling product and I think and I've talked about it Just briefly because obviously we're just now getting into the meat of potatoes of the NBA season Us covering it, but a lot of the teams played the same. We're looking at team shooting 453's game When you only have like one or two shoot like what is you doing? So I think the issue with the NBA is it's not even a parody because parody is what sells the NFL One year you could be the worst team and then you could go to to the title game Look at the Washington commanders. Look at everybody in the NFC South like one year You could be the worst team and all of a sudden you super bowl content doesn't happen like that in the NBA But the styles and matches make fights which is why people love playoff basketball and why Regular season doesn't have the same type of value But the style everybody can play the same style and that's the issue Inspired by the eagle civil war between shelter and cue when is it okay as a sports man to switch to a different team?

This is from jayla hertz. Yeah, you gotta talk to Sheldon. Sheldon don't you gotta answer that? Yeah, I show you know, yeah, I mean I said that he's you if you switch it for something other than the fact that Team is bad.

Your team is just bad like like nix leaving the Giants alone That's wrong because they're bad Two things Switch You can't switch you can't switch If you do switch you out of there like you can't switch I would say this too now now even if you go back and look when I switch they went doing all this and all the reason I went there It was easy to go because nobody believed in what was going on with the game I think my thing is this my thing is this though. You can switch I think you have to have at least 10 years room for a team You have to have some ups and downs like you can't just switch just because they shoot like show no no I don't care about anything You don't speak to bro If you start room for your team then you can't move for another thing like you doing too much anyway nik Roo for two teams I've been having to take this hurt for 30 years I can't be a titans fan. I got a commander fan bro. Like you got to take that if you saw room for this over for you Don't get no other team bro.

It's what I've been where you live I think that is that's a pass where you say you can Right and that's because the Panthers went around forever And my thing is like I've been you know, I was a fan of before I was a man I I've been a bangles fan all my life. I'm still a bangles fan die hard My love for the Giants comes out of the hate of time Brady For the Giants in the bangles are playing on room for the bangles. I've always said that But obviously when the bangles for how long and she they've been I had to keep watching football had a roof of somebody And it was an old seven when everybody was picking new England I was like now like this I like this white boy from mrs. Sip.

You're saying And But you're interested in the Giants I'm interested in what they Now he's not a giant fan. He's a man. I'm an I'm a avoid fan. I can't root for another team bro.

Like just because I'm from Tennessee don't mean I can root for the Titans That's not I've been a Cowboys fan since 93 I can't be for another team and if I stop rooting for them I can't real line if you're gonna root for the Falcons now because I live in Atlanta That's not what a fan is bro. But if you're not at it, no, that's not true I You got one team. That's it. That's it.

That's it. You act like this is marriage, bro Who's your last team that you rooting for in a Yep, okay I always root for the places that I live but I'm always in all sports I'm a fan of players more than two So I am a fan of the Chicago Bulls the Bears the Cubs over the over the white Sox They have two baseball teams the Dolphins because I grew up in Miami the heat, you know what I'm saying? But I'm more like I just love players, you know what I'm saying? So I just root for guys that I Move to the city and I'm a fan that's cap Team is your team There's like a very small percentage of die-hard fans like that most of these motherfuckers watching it is casuals They are like I'm in the city.

I'm a roof for the city. I'm saying that that's just what it is I'm not going to put it out boys and I'm not room for football team Like I talked about before as a football fan you only saw a few teams back in the day and even the Panthers came I mean I was static I was hit over heels even the one in 15 Panthers with Chris Winky I'm I did yelling like nobody's business so I had to win you for crazy. It is crazy. No wins The losses didn't matter.

The team is my team. I don't give a fuck. What y'all building this city bro. My team is my team bro No, I just I love my city so even more so than I don't watch ever to have success But you brought in the outside of that truck try to tear it down and it's trying to get them to move I want to go.

I seen it with George. She and see this happened to me before with George She and George she and took the Hornets and moved them to New Orleans and he did everything you could sabotage it in Charlotte And he got him out we got him back with the barcats But but that's my point I seen this happen before where owners pushing to get the team gone and it's not it's not a good look that wasn't no fun Do we have a verdict on the pole? Is it over as a close? And close but and close Anthony Davis 37% Jim and Bruns so those are all fools.

Those are all fools. That was a tough poll though Because we talked about healthy healthy players Yeah, we just thought it was there right now. I just said right now I don't care what you're talking about you if you want to add health or whatever I just said right now would you rather show you see what the Dallas man's I don't see how far we're gonna brush it because I'm thinking right now I won't do it but not just as the injury now because we know he's gonna get hurt eight more times this year if he plays So give me to the rest. I don't know what AD about to do But right now the Lakers are up 12 over the Mavericks Luca with well, this is crazy.

Luca has 12 points 12 repos seven cents two steals and two blocks He is He's a fool. He's got Ron over Luca. It's like he flipped around already. He had time he run by the bitch Man, he is so hurt, bro.

He's gonna make them pay I would be too right. Yeah, they almost cost him $120 million, bro Yeah, I don't know. He's more than that. Yeah, they did.

They didn't win almost Well, I'm saying it's only one 16 right? Is as close as he is. Nico Harrison might not be coming back contract Becoming back because this had to be like this had to either be like a mob deal or Or Nico just be like this is my reparations for the country. We ain't gonna let this way back on this money I gave him a contract distinction in June.

He thinks he can't be fired a multi-year contract Because I'm sure he had to run that up the chain before he made his decision So I know they know I think it was like they said make a move and do it quickly because we don't want to be here That's not that everything everything that I've been listening to as far as far as I guess and people who are insiders It was we don't want him make a move the best move that you can make to get him out of here Because he won't make fit for a culture that's everything. I'll see here's the thing that once again There's only 10 that car somebody on this panel says that's his man's though. Can link this is amazing But political brought him up. So listen if your boss tell you I didn't make this move or you're going to be fired I want this to happen.

He's going to call his mentor and be like well, what can we do? Not about something not about got something everybody wants. We're gonna product them everybody nice bro I ain't got time to shop around with you Hey, no shopping if you release if you release people Bro people are going to try to negotiate if I call you and offer you the best one of the best players on the planet They like what's going on like they want to think outside of what I'm trying to do I can call somebody that I know that I came up under we can make this deal We can get this shit doing and I can do what my boss asked me to do That was the reason that this happened Well, what's up on this panel said it was a good trade though Yeah, I'll say empty day was top 10 somebody somebody on here said that was a good trade Your trade both sides. Well, if that's what he was told to do then he just following orders That's exactly everything that's and he the one that's out here looking crazy and got fans out there literally protesting Right thanks getting kicked out of the game.

I'm not saying I would have made that trade But because it was made in evaluating the trade on both sides It's good short term for Dallas is good long term for the Lakers Not a people on the court and then he got hurt First note that Aaron Rodgers being running out the flag he got half of it. Did he get a half? Yeah, he bought out that one half. Yeah, he put up numbers.

Yeah, he was balling but yeah, yeah, anyway All right, man. Well, that's gonna do it for us man. Um, we'll get you guys next week. We are out peace