Next Step Forward (interview with Carl Phillips pt. 1)

Carl Phillips stops by to talk poetry, survival, harnesses, and censorship.You can buy Carl Phillips's books -- particularly his newest, Then the War -- here at Loyalty Bookstores, a Black-owned independent bookstore in DC.You can hear Carl read the title poem from Then the War here (~2 min).Read Richie Hofmann's review of Then the War in the LA Review of Books here.You can read "All the Love You've Got," the poem banned by the Academy of American Poets here.