NextGen EMP's Penello: The 'greatest bull market in 60 years' has room to run

Wayne Penello, president and chief executive officer at NextGen EMP, says he expects the Standard & Poor's 500 to double in the next five years, in the "greatest bull market we have seen in 60 to 80 years," though he acknowledges that this kind of rise ultimately will end in a bubble. He thinks the market can rally, with only modest to moderate corrections, before it reaches that crescendo, and says investors should be watching for the point where artificial intelligence is over-saturating the market to where prices collapse to see when that is likely to happen. Penello, a Wall Street veteran whose firm recently opened the Efficient Market Portfolio Plus ETF — a long-short fund that tries to balance risks by leaning into or away from market sectors, says he is leaning into semiconductors, particularly when the market sorus on them, and is going light or away from consumer discretionary stocks and utilities. Olivia Valdes, senior researcher at the FINRA Investor Education Foundation, updates us on the group's study of financial frauds. FINRA recently released "Patterns in Fraud Awareness: What Comes to Mind When Americans Think About Financial Fraud," which asked people to name the common schemes and tactics fraudsters use, and found that even identity-based crimes — the thievery that most Americans are aware of and cautious about — was top of mind for only half of the population. Valdes says this helps to explain how even savvy consumers get taken in by schemes, as fraud losses in the U.S. now run at nearly $200 billion per year.  In the Money Life Market Call, Stefan Grater, portfolio manager overseeing the domestic and international value strategies at Eldred Rock Partners, discusses his disciplined, concentrated approach to value investing.