to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Wright Welcome in Thursday July 25th Andy Mike and Jason the fantasy footballers back with you Excited to be with you News is flowing. Yeah. Yeah, we're back, baby. I mean we do 10 things to remember Oh, that's it that's a show that we do as a season wraps up so that we can remember some things heading into the new year I got to remember to just take it easy.
Oh never take it easy on some of this news I mean I will never take it easy on training camp news. Yeah, it's it's so true and every single year We've been doing this, you know, we got a live show coming up. It's gonna be a 10th anniversary show We've been doing this a long time. This is show 1,600 1,600 and this time of year Like a month from now three weeks from now when news is continuing to roll it can I can read it and I can let it go Right now because it hasn't been rolling and it's just coming out every name is like I got a change.
Yeah, Greg Dulcich. That's the story of the first day of camp. It's not now He's my number one target for Denver. I mean, it's great because it's not just the talk of camp It's a talk of the first day of camp.
It's probably the talk of the town. Maybe you see Sean Payton body the other guy What's the other Titan? Yeah, crawl the the reporter's name the reporters like you know talk about crawl about how he's been you know The best the best player in camp and he's like well, hold up. Did you say the best time in the best player?
Yeah, he's arguably been the best I think he's like no not even close Payton has been refreshingly honest about almost everything. I think he really likes arguing with beat reporters and and that's fun But yeah, I mean the news is coming in. I mean the board go get Kyle who's on the line right now Kyle. You're with me, right?
I'm here. Okay, so Kyle's here and it was like I don't remember I can't find right now Kyle, but he was sharing his like five plays from Jacksonville camp And it was like Brian Thomas dropped the pass and the gay Davis didn't catch one, but then E. T. And did catch one Yeah, so what's wrong with that?
What's not wrong with this? There's just there's nothing you can take from that is not actionable and we want to take action because we've been so yes Yes, we're so thirsty. I mean based off of that one tweet. I assume that Brian Thomas is his catch rate is at 0% right now Thank you.
This is what Mike's back for. You know, yeah, we missed some other people listening to this show. No, they want it Okay, yeah, never mind that just totally take everything as actionable information for the rest of the season, right? Yes, overreact and do it immediately the real policy that I try to put in place is that the news about players I have very relevant if it's good players that I have if it's bad news not great, you know I don't pay attention to you don't have to roster these players already saying a dynasty league so long as you have priors on them thoughts And so long as it backs up your preconceived notions and it's very exciting times.
Yeah I mean now I'm seeing Audrey gas to make pictures coming through our DFS or a dynasty pod gas channel That was more because we talked a lot about the the Broncos running backs on the dynasty pod. We all need a new AJ Dylan and estimate doesn't have the same definition as Quadzilla up there in Green Bay. We've got the same seat. He is He just he is a sturdy sturdy young man Well, I shouldn't have gotten into all of this because we do have a lot of news that we will tell you about momentarily the ultimate Draft can available to me draft get that coming and check that out right now.
I encourage you to do so It's a good time. We've been making tweaks and adjustments every day pretty much. Yeah on Based on not actually overreacting to the news but taking new information that comes out and putting it through our filters Yeah, yeah, I mean I like there's news that I do enjoy reading about this time a year like who's running with what offense Yes, like I like to hear who's running with the first team in the second team and we are getting quarterback news as well just Head coaches opinions on the jukobi bersett and Drake may situation McCarthy and darnell and I don't know where your guys's opinion is on what happens in Minnesota, but you know if you're a Minnesota fan, I don't think you're rooting for Sam darnell. I don't think either of those fan bases is rooting for the You know, well if for Arizona that was when that's like the Sam Bradford when we had Josh Rosen I think if you wanted to see the rookie yeah, you'll want to see the rookie But it's a situation of I feel real confident this boy that same darn will start the season So you're gonna root for him because if he does well that means that the Minnesota Vikings are doing very well If darnell does well, yes Like if you get to that that that by week and the whole fan base isn't just screaming for McCarthy to come in That means that they have a winning record and they're doing well I have a hard time remembering a situation like that where they were Where where that team with the incumbent mediocre guy works out You know it was for Bisky with my Glenn I could think I could Sam Bradford with One example where it worked out was it a bad quarter where I keep bad quarterback did well for the first time of the year?
No, it was where you're talking about like a Hall of Fame quarterback. I'm talking about Hall of Fame for a shred epic Exactly right Matt liner was the guy who was supposed to get the job going forward But old busted Kurt Warner was gonna know all these little start week one and then turn down. He wasn't busted yet Sort of but that is not the situation That's not what this situation is and really if you look at that by week and you look at the defenses that the Vikings are The Vikings are playing they start with the Raiders great defense then Browns great defense then Eagles great defense two weeks later The Niners great defense right before the by we can believe they play the Jets So yeah, Donald you are the sacrificial I'm baby. Yeah, I mean their head coaches came out and said they have no sacrificial baby.
Oh, he said maybe This I was like you got it wrong Jay the phrase is sacrificial baby We all know this that's what everyone has said maybe Okay, well that maybe that's a little better thing I was gonna say Kevin O'Connell came out of the set he has no preconceived notion of the starter right now And that he's keeping his options open, but let's talk news news and notes from around the league Putting Donald out there as the proverbial sacrificial baby. Yeah, Jason Tough at the NFL. I'm already Cooper agreed to a restructured deal with the Browns gets five million dollar raise while the team guarantees them 20 million Some will be quick to point out. This is not an extension This is still his final year of the deal They just they're giving him some extra cash because he deserves it and he's been great and we're talking about the NCE's on today's episode We're gonna talk about the Cowboys and man.
I just can't Whoops, you don't me tell you about Michael Gallop retiring. Oh wow same same news time, huh? Yeah, wow good job Cowboys Michael Gallop was the post ACL contract that Dallas Cowboys chose instead of keeping a market Yeah, the Dallas Cowboys if you rewind they bet on Gallup and Zeke and that's where they put their money instead of Mario Cooper and this is not revisionist history of like well sure now, you know it worked everyone then was like What are you doing? Why are you paying big money to the running back when you hear that Michael Gallop is retiring and he had signed a Five-year 57 million dollar contract after an ACL tear yet shown potentially finished that wide receiver 16 That was the highest he had finished that high.
I don't know if it was the year he got hurt or not I know he is I think that was his fantasy peak, but they obviously they signed into that deal I Got 16 in certain formats. It looks like 22nd, but in 14 games played in 2019 Okay, all I'm saying is that Michael Gallop did not recover from an ACL injury. Correct. Like that's what happened.
Yes So just kind of interesting that that for whatever reason this does happen from time to time We all expect the head of schedule. We're back. We're the same. It doesn't always Yeah, it doesn't always happen that is a javante Williams statement in the sense that he came back a little ahead of schedule And he just wasn't the same and so now we expect him to get back to it Just like we you know, it's common that you know, it takes takes two years But sometimes you just don't come back and so it's really really hard.
You can't just bet on the data You have to see it. Do you guys have the quote? Oh, here it is From Dennis Allen on Kendra Miller Miller's banged up again. I think a week or two ago We were talking about how he had been removed from our sleeper list due to the vibes around the backfield Well now he's hurt.
Yeah, and the quote from Dennis Allen head coach This is via Nick under help one of the best beat reporters in the industry But this is the quote from Dennis Allen that's a player needs to figure out how to stay healthy because you can't make the team in the Training room can't make the club in the tub get bodied. I mean what a jerk No, you know, he's a sounder Kendra Miller I'm not gonna say my feelings over and over Jason got hurt is a jerk He didn't try to get her. You know if you went out on a motorcycle without a helmet You body that guy if he's practicing and trying to get hurt and just criticizing him in the public Just feels very done selling to me Frustration there. He's not the only one when what a player is hurt for essentially most of his rookie year You're excited for next year comes back.
He's already hurt. It's frustrating three injuries last year I think something I mean he won preseason one in season and at least this one. He was drafted injured. Yeah, also, right?
But they kind of knew like you chose to draft an injured guy CD lay. I'm not reporting to the start of training camp holding out No contract for Dak no contract for Parsons. They like you They have boss this and like you have to sometimes as an organization You do have to take certain financial leaps like say the Houston Texans with Nico Collins Like they didn't have to give Nico Collins that contract like they could have waited But if you bet and you wait and equal Collins has a year anywhere close to what he had last year now the size of that contract has Ballooned and that this is like they've done that now with these three guys and I mean I don't know what their cap situation is but how do you how do you pay all three of these guys where Dak will certainly be looking for The like to be the highest paid quarterback because it's the newest one It will probably be the highest paid if not the top three CD lambs gonna want Jefferson money who just reset the market Parsons is gonna want in outrageously our large contract I mean the highest paid defensive that he has earned it's like you should have sat down and tried to strike early with like Do you feel like there's an aspect here where like they did they did this with that once This is not the first time we've been talking about back in the offseason like is this I want my guys to play super hard because they're playing for a contract I I've always wondered what you've got to wonder with the Cowboys and Dak have always felt like there's Almost a lack of true belief in the fact that he's like a you know He's gonna get paid like a top three quarterback and I think they think he's not really top three quarterback I don't want to pay you know a guy who's you know Like watch this yeah, exactly but that's how it feels with them I agree with Mike they make a mistake to not get CD lam just early early in the process get on a big contract You know it's coming and so the earlier you get there the better it is by the time the new cap rolls out Yeah, I you know I often ask myself will I see the Dallas Cowboys win a playoff game before I you know die And I don't know if that's gonna happen until Jerry Jones We need someone else we need someone else run the Cowboys album Camara He is back ran hard Kinder Miller has hurt we talked about it right now It's starting to clean it up a little bit in in terms of that backfield like that I think where Alvin Camara saw a depressed ADP in part, you know the age But it factors in when you have potential behind him I don't think any of us would describe to my Williams's potential No, I don't think any of us would describe taste some Hill as any problem He's been there with Camara for a long time now Camara's looking like a value it could be a goaling problem Yeah, but Camara's never really been a huge goal on a pendant I mean he used to have marking room, you know taking a bunch of touchdowns obviously was younger. I mean I can't it's a passing game That's yes, but I mean I'm a c'mara scored five total touchdowns last year Six total you have one receiving all right.
All right. I'm just saying like the when it was the monster years You know sophomore season 14 rushing touchdowns drop down to five 16 rushing touchdowns like your But from a PPR like a game perspective is a top 10 guys last year like still really solid Just saying the for ceiling you have to have Russian questions Brandon. I you can't but not doing anything a hold in he is Not losing money. What he's doing when you do a hold in do you like grab your your gear?
But then walk super slow I see from the locker room The field to where like by the time you get to the field practices over they had it There was a hard knocks with the Chargers and someone was doing yeah, I was not an ingo Yeah, yeah, you're just you just kind of hang out. Yeah, you're just watching. It's the training camp. Honestly, it's great He's like oh man.
I've got a reason to not have to do training camp, but I'm not getting fine It's just your Jamar Chase your hand-in-out towels helping out the wide receivers like a water boy That's what he's doing. I we're still trying to get news on that and that could be a we don't have two sources Well tomorrow Chase is not entering the final year of his deal. I think his is a maybe two years away Yeah, they're taking it easy with maybe once that five million tomorrow Cooper got but my point Mike even if it's a little tweet You tell me that Brandon I you couldn't be handing out towels and being real sport. Oh, okay.
I see what you're saying you hold in the right way I Get their calling place Nick Shob on the top list. Yep. Yeah, and Matthew Stafford reported a camp after a team adjusted contract And then there's some more early training camp height. Yeah, this is the juiciness Couple of wide receivers that everyone loves never remember if I have to stop the train.
I stopped it. Um you can't stop a train trains don't stop you do Javon day Yeah Devontae Williams took the first team wraps every first team rep in camp in Denver, which A lot of smoke around Devontae Williams, but he's given every opportunity to be the guy. Yep for now Yeah, we said on the last episode when people were debating whether him or some on Jay We're gonna make the team I said be blown away from Devontae is not on the team the question is does he still have juice? Jim Harbaugh said he agreed or Justin Herbert agrees with Jim Harbaugh on Quentin Johnston getting a bad rap He says we're expecting big things from him this year We've talked a lot about Quentin Johnston So I agree that like Globalizing every play that he made in the entire year into like three or four drops is kind of stupid But also the level of effectiveness that he had on so many snaps.
He is also stupid like yeah for the Chargers That's a good way to put but but I will say this. I mean like Jim Harbaugh is a brand new coach We've had lots of narrative Street before where it's like oh, this is not the guy I drafted and I I'm gonna You know we could be sitting here talking about He's not gonna get the first team snaps and DJ shark is because he came aboard with Jim Harbaugh He's gonna get all the snaps like I saw them quit Johnson. You have to give him an opportunity and Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman are gonna say hey look we didn't get what he needed to get in the office last year Certainly wasn't supposed to have to step up in place of two injured players So he certainly was supposed to be able to should his number be called as a first round rookie pick But this is the perfect type of news to me when I saw this I really wanted to go adjust my Chargers rankings I was like oh man, so there's good positive buzz buzz about Quentin Johnston But I was like, you know what this is this is just people saying hey we expect big things They're looking good. It wasn't enough to undo what a season of tape and stats and historical data does So this is one I left alone so at so to that regard then you did nothing can happen in preseason for your opinion I'm Johnson because no, it's not like you don't believe he's gonna be a starter No, the drum beat kept going and oh, you know That's one of the things where it's like if from now until kickoff the news is constantly positive and it's always coming up That's just one strike of the drum you're needing more.
Yeah, exactly. It's a four count, man Okay, finally give you one click. We don't know what the tempo is I'm on Ross Said about James and Williams. I know I've said this every year, but I feel like this year's gonna be huge for him I actually a quote is I know I've said this Kyle wanted this in the show That's not a good way to start a quote, but he ends it with I actually know it is gonna be a big year for James and Williams Okay, and the athletic is saying this is Nick Baum gardener James Williams looks like a different player in training camp So you have a mustache or something he is wearing a wig actually.
Yeah, yeah long blonde It's actually pretty cool when he runs because he's very fast It is not impossible for either of those players and their 80p's are at a point where it's better It's perfectly fine. It will be a comical traffic like when when someone else does it in the leagues on a minute I'm gonna laugh at point, but you're it's worth a shot. You're on the clock. It's your last pick these two guys are there No, else is okay.
Which one are you going to take your shot on I would go Wow? I would take huge. What about you? I was really hoping you only needed one answer I'll go next so that you have to be the tiebreaker.
I'm on the Jameson Williams side I I I didn't believe in huge that much as a collegiate prospect and then we saw that it's been too long for Jameson Williams, but I did man I thought he was a superstar on college I would probably if it's last pick a player I'm likely to drop like I think it's probably I'll probably go with Cuge because like Jameson Williams can take a huge step forward and he's still gonna be the one two three Fourth option in the offense at best. You can't pass a quarter can't plus Gibbs. That's can't pass I'm on wrong. It's huge as the opportunity.
It's a good one. That's a good point. Um, so there you go Let's take a break it into the breakdown. Let's get divisional All right, we are on our way through the NFC at this point the NFC East Mike you missed the NFC South.
No one's there missed it Yeah, that was really rude, you know, it's like make us talk about them just two of us I was surviving deadly rings. Yeah, Mike was at a an event with a friend in Denver when a I think it was a scene from Twisters the new movie Yes, pretty close. You were you were in threat of your life It was legitimately a an event trapped under a just a barely put together tent and it Microburst. I don't know what the tents stay in place.
They did they were they were secured pretty well And there was moments of the storm happening whereas like I have a percentage chance right now of If lightning hits this thing we're all you're all sideways rain freezing cold. It was it was intense Chase is a nice equity was so close to increase. Yeah. All right.
The NFC East Dallas the Earlier ridicule Cowboys were 12 and 5 So they won the division with a point differential of plus 194 they were all so I already I already can I already know some of the debates We're gonna be having in mere moments about these teams Dallas was 12 and 5 feel it was 11 and 6 the Giants were 6 and 11 and Washington was 4 and 13 This was the largest point differential between first and second place teams in the NFL So Dallas when they hit they hit big they were blowing people away Well, if you remember the Eagles last year the first month of the season they looked awesome and then they they kept winning games Well looking but they looked horrible they their performances were bad and you know their defense was good enough in their office was good enough to Squeak out a win You know, I believe they went eight and three in those one score games They just the ball bounce their way, but they looked bad pretty early on despite being 11 and 6 Cowboys They were just great. They were 11 and 6 with a point differential positive five points. How do you get impossible? Yeah, I mean Dallas's defense gave up almost 115 fewer points on the year than the Eagles and they scored 75 more points So it was a big difference even though the records were close And I'm excited to talk about you know all of these teams There's sorry lines for all of them.
We'll kick it off with Dallas By the way, lots of names and faces just moving around in the division Sake one going from the Giants to Philly Dan Quinn from the Cowboys to Washington Kellen Moore from the Cowboys to Philly and you know, don't leave Zacharitz out of the way Oh, of course going you know former Eagle going to Washington right Dallas 12 and 5 projected when total was 9 and a half last year this year Projected at 10 and a half They have the 10th most difficult schedule according to Warren Sharp They were number one in the league in points per game last year. There's a reason that if you took mics Very astute advice like I did halfway through the year to pick up Dak Prescott that he won you a title. I mean he was responsible for lots of championships You know if you were able to get rid of like maybe you're rolling to a halfway through the year You're able to get incredible maneuver. Just give it that guy go get Dak and move forward I mean they were incredible they were from weeks eight through 18 Which is after their by week they were number one in points per game number four in place per game eight and past percentage 30 red zone plays Six in red zone touchdown rate all for a team that said goodbye to Kellen Moore who is now in division But they the narrative last offseason was oh no what's gonna happen to the great Cowboys passing offense Well to be fair to that narrative weeks one through six They were 27th in past percentage Right and the truth is the big difference between before the by and after the by was when they got to the red zone before the by They weren't throwing the ball They were running and they were ineffective with Tony Pollard and Rico Doutle and then after the by they're like Let's just keep throwing the ball.
Yeah, like we did last year. They worked like game. But they fully it was just Guys, what are we doing here? We have a number one wide receiver.
Wait, why are we not acting accordingly? And then they did and hey really good things happen imagine imagine in the NFL Unleashing your offense with your number one wide receiver For fantasy purposes CD lamb and dakra revelations, but Tony Pollard wasn't the expectations going into the season for Pollard Were not met couldn't score touchdowns The spiky offense being like for Tony Pollard if you told me before this season began last year with all the hypernomenom If I told you just so you know Dallas is gonna be the number one team in points. Okay. Oh, well I'm up.
He's probably number two off of the draft boards last year, but it just didn't work out Now it's Mike McCarthy and not Kelly Moore last year was or rather last year was McCarthy the year before Kelly Moore Things got going they got contracts to figure out There aren't a lot of changes they bring Zeke back. Okay, whatever Michael Gallop's not a member of the team. There's a lot of stability in what they're doing head coach The offensive system the quarterback the best players the lack of a running game or the not elite running game I'll say I mean it'll be interesting to see how they start the year to see if they still want to double down on the like Let's run inside the red zone and see if we can score and if they do maybe the passing I will take a step back But the nice thing is with Zeke and Dowdle this version of Zeke I would expect that you're going to have a re-roll of last year offensively They're gonna throw the ball a lot and they're gonna throw the ball in the red zone because you know to add to what you're saying about 20 Pollard of like oh how high would you if you knew some of these things that were coming like they were the number one scoring Of it's what if you knew the 20 Pollard at 16 carries inside the five right or you kidding me Yeah, but he turned it into three touchdowns It was ineffective so I do think they're gonna keep throwing the ball in there But just real quick on the running backs between the two of them I don't know like Zeke looked extremely washed last year We talked about him on the dynasty podcast of three percent of his Carries turn into a 15 yard game. It was like the worst of qualifying running backs Rico Dowdle's 26 He really hasn't seen no action But on a yearly basis we see Eight teams or so that don't have a top 24 ADP running back And then four of those teams have someone who finishes in the top 24 and what correlates is either it's a it's a true work Horse I don't think we have that situation but you have an elite office and like those are the two things of of these late Runbacks of both of these guys it's gross.
It's it is But I would I'd sprinkle these guys into your teams That's fine how good an offense was New England last year no cuz he can do the year 17th first 30s third 10th 23rd so Right because a million passes because in that time he was a full workhorse This is true But he also showed that he can do what Paula did last year Which was just catch the ball just catch the ball out of the backfield and if Pollard were drafted whereas he can be drafted this year Pollard would have been feeling like a league winner like that He was drafted, you know first second round. It's not a running back room that we're looking for explosive League winning weeks, but like Mike said sprinkle in some opportunities for a number one offense. Yes Brandon cooks Where are you with Brandon cooks because you know Ferguson that was kind of fun last year for Brandon cooks He had a game or two, but it was it was like maybe scored a touchdown. He was top 24 Yeah, Brandon cooks had a great stretch after the bye week where he was decently consistent and pretty valuable for fantasy But it was on the back of touchdowns his yards per game I mean 49 7 4 to 45 37 10 14, but it was 14 and a touchdown It was 45 and a touchdown all you know He just scored so many touchdowns where I think you need to look at kind of the truth of how it came by how it came about And I'm I find myself early in the offseason I was like I was not looking as deeply into Brandon cooks and I was kind of in I find myself bypassing him three games Last year over four catches.
Yeah, he's not involved enough for me to be confident in line up If you're in a best ball league and you're just gonna get the touch on fine But I would rather obviously CD lamas up is awesome everyone wants him if you're at the top you're drafting gradulations And then in the past game, I'm Jake Ferguson. I think he's his red zone opportunities last year were elite Let all tight ends with 25 targets in the red zone best I Really like Jake Ferguson. He's he's my final ripboard at the tight end position I'm more in on Brandon cooks than you guys not that I like it's not madly in love and knocking people out of the way So I can draft him a few rounds high, but it's wide receiver 64 and 80 P right now 13th round He caught he did catch a touchdown like eight touchdowns in double digit range like when you're there's there's a lot of time When you're in the trenches and you're like I have nobody to start I think Brandon cooks is is a good depth wide receiver I mentioned there's like their schedule was part of the equation and going in on Dallas last year Mm-hmm Although the run for a deck was like week six through the end of the year for all the five weeks But they had a better schedule this year more difficult schedule, but look at the start to the season They are okay. They've got a tough one on the road in Cleveland Yeah, okay, and they are underdogs in Cleveland in week one But then they're favored in five consecutive games nor lens Baltimore the Giants, Pittsburgh and Detroit But being favored in five straight heading into the by Nothing about the schedules intimidating me or talk talking me out of Dallas to start to you.
Yeah, I can agree I can't tell if you're thinking you're just head bobbing and I was I would say like I'm not going to the players I'm going after Ferguson is basically free So I'm not gonna be talked out by schedule CD lamb and Dak are you're going in on them And so the schedule is not going to but the opening schedule of Cleveland, New Orleans Baltimore I mean, I know they're favored in two of those three but all three are really good defenses So you're not worried about New Orleans, but yeah Cleveland and Baltimore Where are you guys just overall with Dak of like compared to the field like if they would like if we left our draft With Dak we're happy about very happy, but it's like he is being drafted as the QB 9 it's going in the seventh round Yeah, like we have them as the anti has a quarterback six. I've got him as the quarterback seven You've got him as the quarterback eight, so I think we'd be okay with that I'm just saying like are you he's not one of my targets in mock drafts I don't remember any of us saying okay this in this build. I'm gonna target Dak It's just kind of you're okay leaving with him I think the only time I would be targeting Dak is if I started the draft was seat Okay, I'm looking for that in the last three years which you can pull this up in the ultimate draft kit We have a career fantasy finished chart. We call it the snapshot tool over the last three years the top five Most consistent points for is at the position Alan Mahomes hurts Herbert Dak.
Yeah, so dax above you know Obviously burrow in that stretch is above Lamar in that stretch So, you know there are only a few guys that are like like you know that they're gonna reroll like you said They're gonna reroll what this office does. Mm-hmm So is it a vote for Zeke in the red zone or a vote for Dak at least in that regard? I'll be on the Dak side fill these 11 and 6 or was 11 and 6 they had a projected went total of 11 and a half last year This year it's at 10 and a half you talked about a tale of two seasons They were you know ten and one and during that stretch third and points per game fourth and place per game fifth and run percentage After that point there were 20th and points per game 18th and plays per game 18th and run percentage so It collapsed mm-hmm and you know Nick Sirianni. I just saw this interview.
Yep It was and I won't be able to tell you who it was with it was through the athletic one of their podcasts But it was somebody that was really connected in Philadelphia and they were talking about the strained relationship relationship between next year was Diana Rossini. Thank you and Jalen hurts and how this was a grind the victories were a grind last year even when they walked out with a win and Nick Sirianni was calling place and now he's gonna try to step back from column plays this year, but You've seen Nick Sirianni in a in a presser Give me three losses in a row and tell me who's calling place. That's all I'm gonna say like there's going to be a heavy hand if things Don't go right in my opinion from Nick Sirianni because there's not patience in Philadelphia That has never been an attribute of that city and that team you need to win and you need to win today So it is a you know, Kellamore's third team in three years So I like what Kellamore does I like what his concepts are what they bring to the table But Dallas moved on from that right and it didn't work in Los Angeles obviously a lot of peripheral reasons You can you can blame but I'm just saying if it doesn't work in Philadelphia That's three times in three years. You're not gonna be talking about Kellamore in the offseason is bringing hope to a team Yeah, if he fails you won't but I do not expect him to fail He didn't fail in Dallas Dallas had a great offense and that was a mutual It wasn't like he was fired there and then last year if you remember to start the season the charges offense was great Justin Herbert was one of the best in the league, you know, Keenan Allen was unbelievable the team collapsed Justin Herbert got injured They lost a ton of games their head coaching, you know, circus show was was put to death But now you end up, you know Adam Gase was a great offensive coordinator when you had Peyton Manning, you know Turns out he wasn't a great office coordinator I just think like if Kellamore's average and you've got Jalen Hertz and Devonta Smith and AJ Brown and you add Sequan Barkley and you've got a top-end offensive line I think he'll succeed and so this is the the slot guy is very interesting to me from a Kellamore perspective This is what I'm so interested interested to see this training camp if we can figure out who is that motion guy?
Who's the guy in motion? Who's the guy in the slot that has that was last year's Keenan Allen and CD Lam the year prior for Kellamore systems because it it could be Devonta Smith it could yeah It could also be AJ Brown just because he's the big strong guy doesn't mean you know I saw now Harmon talk about this like it now Harmon thinks the agent Brown will have that role I think it's gonna be Devonta Smith. Maybe that's just hopeful thinking because I got him But I want whoever that role is because it's hyper target not Paris Campbell though. No, which should put some context last year Preset motion 11% of plays for the Eagles by far the lowest rate in the NFL the Chargers were eighth last year and it it really is It's oversimplifying an NFL offense, but it's just the teams who have elite offenses use motion all the time And it's like it's a hard thing to argue against I don't know if you're if you're a coach calling plays Why would you not look at what Miami and San Francisco and all these guys were in LA and they're running up huge numbers on offense?
Why would you not see what they are doing Green Bay fourth and pre-snap motion behind Dolphins Rams and 49ers Detroit great offense Baltimore great offense? Yeah, it sets up the defense you get to see what they're playing a lot more if you've got something before you snap the ball for the defense that counter and I guess I guess I'm not trying to throw a bunch of cold water on a bunch of talented players for fantasy But last year was the first time that we got to see the fact that you could have a worse outcome than you expect to go on the run They did being as bad as they were on the offensive side was the first time we ever saw it from this perfect impervious offense So, you know, it's kind of like For you know, it's just the first time that you saw it and so that gives you doubts about it always working for Philadelphia in a division World I'll be fighting they still have a ten and a half win total their offense is really easy to draft for fantasy, right? It's very focused. It's super, you know, it's take one, you know, I'd love to talk about him momentarily, but you mentioned about a smith You're brown Jalen hurts is at the top of our list But take one specifically it should work, right?
Yes, it absolutely should you've got a Great offensive line a good offense with plenty of scoring opportunities DeAndre Swift, you know a lot's been made about the tush push and that you're not gonna have the running back running in touchdowns from the one-yard line And you know you probably won't but you will have him running him in from the five-yard line and the under switch had plenty of opportunities Inside the five he just always got to the two or the one and then Jalen hurt said thanks buddy I'll take it from here. Seq one should cross that plane. Yeah So yeah, I mean I think there's a lot of excitement and optimism that they get the offense figured out and it looks like what we were used to You know the tight in position I think we've all we're on the ship a sailboat for Dallas Goddard not because you can't have a good game or a good performance Or even be a streaming tight in for a number of weeks, but the injuries and where he falls in the packing order It no longer gives us the confidence like if an injury happens during the year I will be picking Goddard up sure to be a you know a streaming time It's just a matter of because everything is so focused like I am my chips are all the way in on AJ Brown this year Okay, so I just you were six and 80 piece so that's not very bold But it's just like either Devonta Smith or Dallas Goddard Can succeed with AJ Brown? I don't think both of them can and even then for me if Smith becomes that motion Jason like you are crossing your fingers and toes and eyes and wishing for then maybe we see some true ceiling But it's like 95 for 1207.
That's a great year, but then followed up with 81 for just over thousand seven It's like he feel Devonta Smith feels like he is he's drafted like at his ceiling where So many things have to go wrong for the team for it to go right for Smith and fantasy That's that's my only issue with his a DP. Yeah, I mean last year. I think he was overdrafted He was I think he was near the end of the second it was him Jalen and T Higgins that all the three two They were drafted really really high right now. I don't think he's drafted at a ceiling at all He's the wide receiver 22 an average draft position.
He can definitely finish above that I mean he finished above that last year and then obviously that was down He was a water streamer tennis sophomore year, but they're saying yeah, 10 wide receiver 10 to 12.2 points per game Yeah, I don't know. That was also I think that was like Goddard miss He's definitely much better when that's what I mean of like something has to go wrong for the team for Smith to come I will say Dallas Goddard. He's no spring chicken. He's been in the league what like seven years I think his rookie season is the last time he's played full season, all right The New York Giants were six and 11 last year They actually started one and five they finished five and six of their final 11 games They're projected to win seven and a half this year.
It's at six and a half. Oh You see I heard they are projected to win seven and a half I was very surprised and then you said this year at six and a half of that feels that feels much more realistic sacrificial baby They said hey this 29th ranked offense needs to get rid of the one player we wanted to watch So they did and take one left individual They did go out and spend draft capital on the league neighbors who were all excited to see at the one oh six I couldn't help but you know you talk about training camp first video I saw today for the neighbors Daniel Jones. No, no, it was neighbors Oh, it was Daniel Jones with a just the simplest five foot screen pass air mailing is running back out of the backfield I saw one of it was funny because of the caption that came with it I don't know if they were being fun or not But it was like you know Jones throws a dot to Malik neighbors and neighbors ends up dropping the ball But it was also like the floatiest just drop so it was but not worried about that from a league neighbors Just worried about the actual like how intense the excitement is from a league neighbors because it from a talent perspective Coming into the NFL draft where you had Marvin Harrison junior who by many has looked at is this is this is a bus proof pick for the NFL A lot of people like you heard GM saying no we actually we have neighbors above Marvin Harrison junior for our particular offense So are you Jason? It feels like you have softened and like risen a bit on Malik neighbors because he's going at wide receiver 20 That's aside from my room.
I'm here is a junior that's tied with the Mario Cooper the second highest rookie wide receiver 80p ever and you're relying on this Giants offense and Daniel Jones and it's it freaks me out Yeah, I don't blame you for having it freak you out I think that rookie wide receivers have oftentimes in the recent NFL history They've been good bets, but but a lot of times it's the second half of the year when you really get their value And so you might be disappointed a little bit start season when you start with Malik neighbors However, the talent the explosiveness the comp for him I think for a lot of people certainly for me was Jamar Chase in college not just because he played on the same team He's got the same kind of body and athleticism and that explosive ability the depth chart of Malik neighbors and Juan Dale Robinson Darius late in a jail in Hyatt and Alan Robinson, you know what? That says to me 130 targets guaranteed to neighbors now that this isn't a great Prolific offense the scoring opportunities might not be there But because of his explosive athleticism if you just put the ball in his hands, you know 90-100 plus times I mean this is just a lot of all over again Yeah, not that perfect prototype, but the fact that water was drafted in the top was he picked six Yeah, it's like that Neighbors went to a team that known at any confidence in the offense in Miami and finished a wide receiver 16 with a over 100 catches I view it that way. I'm ranked at 17 So I'm ranked kind of in that how waddle finished this rookie year I do think he's capped a little bit by Daniel Jones and the potential for a quarterback change to happen like if they lose in ball games I don't know Danny Jones survives the whole season sure but it's so like the stat is We've only seen one rookie finish on the top 30 if he is on a bottom 10 passing yards per game roster So if Daniel Jones finishes bottom 10 you're based off of history your probability of hitting Is very very low and that one man was Mike Evans who had 12 touchdowns It is ironic though that that's a little bit of a chicken or an egg It is that because if Malik neighbors is great and he finishes in the top 30 a wide receiver Then they probably won't have a bottom to at the end of the season They probably won't finish in the bottom 10 of passing because maybe he took a couple to the house 70 yards And then all of a sudden their their numbers are good So if you want to bend it positively for Giants fans out there looking for a crumb of optimism in this division Daniel Jones has not had the weapons necessary to succeed at the NFL level nor the offensive line Like those things have not don't things have not been in place for him So this is at least like if you are stuck with Daniel Jones, which they are Be stuck with the ability to find out if it would have ever worked, right? Like getting the league neighbors is a it's the ability to know Definitively if Daniel Jones is your quarterback in the future or not like if you can't get it done this year It's over and did you watch the hard dogs?
I know I've seen something not caught up Okay, so but you saw enough to what I'm saying when they were talking about Daniel Jones their general manager was constantly saying We you know He's never had an office of line instead of paying sick We need to get them an office of line and we need to get them a weapon if there's an office of weapon there at six over and over And over he talked about improving this office of line. Yeah, baby from 30 to 29 this year Yeah, and according to Warren Sharp dead last like what you talked about game, man You did tough with the office of line. You kept talking about where I know you'll see Daniel Jones if we get him good office of line And then he didn't stop sorry Devin Singletary is the new running back in New York. I mean experience with Brian Dave on his system very Well, how would you describe give me one word to describe Devin Singletary coder?
Okay, nice nice Jason. What'd you say? I was gonna say competent. Yeah, I was a solid.
Yeah, I think Singletary is an above average running back Yeah, I and he will he will out produce running back 33 which is where he's being drafted in the back of the night Now that could mean he's running back 29 and it's of no consequence But he is he is an interesting name of being a starting running back that like if you want to bet on the Giants and Malik Neighbors being able to help turn things around and get into just maybe the middle of the pack that would be great for single Terry, yeah, you brought up something when they first signed which seemed kind of outlandish, but I haven't been able to stop thinking about it This sounds almost hot take you this isn't please This sound by your clickbait, but it is possible for the New York Giants that Devin Singletary is almost a better back for them, right? Because Sake one is a home run hitter. Sake one when he was the whole office. They had no weapons They had no passing him he just looked for every single play a way to score a touchdown when he got the ball If I don't do it, no one's going to do it exactly right and Devin Singletary is gonna get his three yards to four yards every single Play it's gonna go north.
He's gonna fall forward and Ironically he'll have easier opportunities because he's not Sake one parkley He's not gonna just face the entire defense coming on like how do we stop Devin Singletary? So for the Giants in their actual offense which leaks back to the Malik neighbors conversation It it might not be it might not be the downgrade that people might be worried about going from sick. Yeah, Kyle's coming in with hot stats here of Talking about scheme of man. They're like in running.
There's a section There's man or their zone running Sake one ranked 49th out of 49 running best in success rate on man gap runs like he was not Not getting done what he needed to get done They offensive line is factors into that but just saying like they're not gonna be favored in a lot of games But they do start the year against Minnesota who could be darndled or McCarthy they face Washington week two Which is another rookie could be could be two and oh and then to Sean Watson and week three and Cleveland that'll be a tough game That'll be a tough one quick break back with Washington all right the manders they went four and 13 and They're starting over We have a new owner. We've got a new GM. We've got a new head coach. We got a new quarterback Wow, we got an old Echler.
This is really like a complete reboot reboot. They should just rebrand the team. They actually are going to rebrand Are they really is that official? Yeah, it won't be this year.
I've heard there was a lot of discussion about it there. Yeah Yeah, you had this opportunity and then well different different ownership. Yeah. Yeah, there's a Schneider days, man I know what the commanders is.
It's not a good name new offensive coordinator cliff Kingsbury as well Sweet they had the fourth worst point differential of any team over the last five years last year Wow, it was so frustrating because they threw them football more than any team in the league and it was a b USD How about season for john daughton not an impressive you know terema claren always does the best he can do In fact, I've seen some people be like, why are you not? All about terema claren this year and it's because man we're worn out You're a little worn out. We also we also understand the ceiling the ceiling is not there for terema claren It doesn't exist because he can't DJ more no here's thing Can he out produce can he be a very good pick absolutely? He's the water super 33 right now in adp, but if you look at his career is the water He's finished as the water super 28 21 21 14 and 28.
That's like he is a wide receiver too But he's not a wide receiver one now if he finishes at the wider receiver 14 15 and you draft him is 33 That's fantastic He's still got the talent and this is a quarterback upgrade rookie quarterbacks don't throw a lot of touchdowns a mobile rookie quarterback That might end up running in a few touchdowns might even throw a few fewer Just that viewer it would work. Yeah, that would work. Yeah, you could just that he could he could throw you You could throw you double double negative So he's throwing more you could say fewer squared But it's one of those things where the you know a rookie quarterback does not usually bode well for the wide receiver And then you combine that with just who tearing the chlorin is which is a really good wide receiver Who's not elite? He's not gonna be out there finishing in the top 10 at the position So there is that fatigue.
I don't mind taking him where he's being drafted Are you guys I just haven't been because of that like lacking of a belief that he can finish top 10 I yeah, he's he's not an exciting pick and it doesn't feel like you're drafting to win when you take Terry Yeah, kind of doesn't but let's put that to the test real quick I want to see give me some names around him. Yeah, so the wide receivers around him Roman doomsday's going ahead of him I'd rather have Terry Yeah, yeah, I'm a Terry there Christian Kirk Or Terry the chlorin I'll take that neither I'll go Kirk behind him is here's the three water shears behind him Jaden Reed Jordan Addison Xavier worthy. I'll take read over him Yeah, but I'm okay with mcclorn over the other two. I agree completely Andy.
So he's he's going in about the right spot Um one of the big discussions obviously with the wider receiver room John Daughts and Kenny Bount's back and he can he serve you know, yes Okay, tell us why yes because he's not a bad one. I don't want to talk about it I get it. I get it. He was uh not the greatest call last year But this is not a player who spent his entire life being good at football being drafted in the first round of the NFL draft coming out As a rookie and scoring seven touchdowns in 12 games and looking great and then all of a sudden he forgot how to play football What happened was he was on a putrid awful team was Sam how who spread the spread the ball around a lot and ineffectively And it was a bust season now the hope that we had coming into last year was that this rookie who looked good Pick was gonna take that leap and become a superstar.
Obviously, I think that hope is done and that's not what I'm saying I'm not saying hey, he's gonna bounce back to be sensational But this is a 24 year old first round wide receiver who now has you know top five NFL pick at quarterback to pair with him And there's not a lot of competing targets like last year one of the biggest problems for john daughts and was curdational curdational soaked up targets in that system He gone so it's like john daughts is the clear number two here and if you know who's getting all those curdational targets Zackers The dot and things tough because you know first round wide receiver. I you know it's awesome But two years outside the top 50 at the position Year three breakout with a rookie It's it's quite you know just it's against the odds. Yeah. Yeah, that's all I'm saying like I I believed in the talent I loved what I saw in the field.
Yeah, he's a lot of last year. He's rookie year I mean if you talk about his fantasy finish he was the water she was 50, but he missed like 12 games, right? Yeah, he only played 12 games on a points per game basis. He was pretty good for rookie almost 10 points per game Yeah, but we only got to see 35 catches, right?
So not a big sample I obviously believed it didn't work out last year the team threw the ball So ineffectively jane daniels comes in with just an incredible senior season at lsu Heisman winner Everything you saw on tape last year was you know burrow esque At lsu where that final season was a step up of everything we saw watched him out here at asu all the time This was a different player, but how's a lot going a lot of challenges ahead of him You have an offensive line that's ranked in the bottom third. You have a whole new offense to learn The balance of you know throwing the football win to run it how this team's gonna play on the defensive side, you know There's just a lot of problems here and a lot could be put on his shoulders early And you talk about like my car to getting an opportunity or drake may to wait. We're not expecting that here No jane daniels was drafted to be the starter, you know, they let jacoby bersett go They traded away sam howl jane daniels will be the starter week one And you know, this is the player that I want from this team because he's going to run a lot as a quarterback You're gonna score extra points in fantasy We all know that and if jahon dawson steps up or if it turns out that Austin echlear can provide something in the past everything goes to daniels and daniels is a very late He's the last drafted quarterback that is an elite rushing mobile quarterback And his comp to me has always been not as good but very similar to kyla murray in the sense that he's a little bit undersized He's a great passer and a great runner and that was who kyla murray's You know office of coordinator. Well head coach was in cliff kingsbury So he's coming into that system and I believe kyla was the quarterback seven his rookie year I'll double check that but I mean the system will work there.
They've got a fast pace of play So I like jane daniels quite a lot the running back room is where I think there will be a surprise value there you do Yeah, I think brian robin's is gonna be he's gonna help reform his abp Brian robinson showed last year how good he can be in the passing game I think he's gonna do a lot for cliff kingsbury in this office I think brian robinson is a good player and I think the passing the pass catching chops Um, I don't think we're gonna see as much of echlear as we might hope and I think brian robinson is going to be much better than Our be 35 and 80p in the left in the late nights It's it what it comes down to what do you believe about Austin echlear like what is left because yes the season in totality was It was pretty close to a disaster doo doo doo I had him on my roster doo doo doo I know but I just wanted my week you turn down a tray for one week one He was the running back three he looked awesome And then he ends up finishing that game with the ankle sprain take some time to come back running back six running back four running back four And then it all really fell apart. So it's just what juiced as echlear have left What is the split? It's like if brian robinson is really involved in the passing game then he will be he will be a huge value because The early work is gonna be brian robinson. You know who's a good pass catcher?
Who's that Antonio Gibson? Yeah, and he's a part of this backfield for multiple years brian robinson has earned his way into the good graces of the coaching staff And like the problem with echlear at his age is that you can do it sometimes you can do it here and there I mean z cat a 72 yard touchdown run last year called back on a penalty, but he did He did I mean just just needed some illegal move No, I was away from the play. Um Austin echlear Is just at that stage of his career where sometimes it's gonna be okay And we're not even talking about injury like injury he's been a huge problem for echlear So look I just wanted to be on record saying that I believe brian robinson will have a valuable year for fantasy I have warmed on both of the running backs I think this is a very nebulous situation that I don't want to touch and nobody wants to touch Which is why they're in the ninth round but in the ninth round you have the potential of you know If there was an ankle injury that caused us the necklace problems that they signed him in free agency brought him in He's a great proven vet if he's got that juice still he could be good And like you said if he doesn't brian robinson could be good I think one of these two guys will outperform this value and I I haven't really been drafting either of them But I'm completely open to at the end of the year we look back ago Oh, yeah, that was actually a good pick We have teams in our league of record that tradeaway draft picks were thin in the middle rounds and you got to find value later I'm willing to look there There's a lot to account for for jane daniels and brian robinson was Like he was really good for the first half of last year Despite the fact that they were so high as the passing offense and had a bad offensive line He was the rb4 for the first 11 weeks of fantasy football went to the playoffs start 14 Most leaves 15 so you know a majority of the season he was really valuable Obviously slowed down the team fell apart, but but yeah, I think that there will be value and go get to ninth round draft Yeah We talked about the quarterback Mike, I'm sure you're in agreement that there's value there if he is You know run the football. Yes very much.
Um, I know that the tight end room is worth a discussion If we're talking about john daughts and being a certified number two Zach urch is there he was a ppr god sand in arizona with clif king's bear clif king's very loves Zach urch Apparently, uh, I expect urch will get a bunch of receptions I mean, is he seriously if he's being drafted as a tight end 36 like it's That will not feel good. It will not feel good to put Zach urch on your team But after week one looking at hey the waivers who's who had a decent week one If zegers is on there with five receptions for 65 yards it that will be not surprising in the least You know who he reminds me of zegers. Yes. That this year's zegert's who's that logan thomas Yeah, it's like an old guy that's like, you know, it's like maybe he'll be involved Maybe he could just ppr his way to relevance And you might be but he's got he's got to deal with the senate Yeah, well, yeah, zegert's is being drafted way after my guy ben cinet aka the senator I am i forgot you had a drop.
I am very excited for the career of ben cinet I'm not excited about his rookie. He's on pace to be the next training bright. Yeah, which is not great right away But great later. That's if that's your type mike If you can identify those the senator And then uh, try middle of uh middle of next year look for ben cinet All right guys.
We need to project this division Man, yeah, who's who's got the stones boys? I will go dallas. Okay, filly Washington, new york Come on jake mike. No, no, no, you're up.
You're up. You missed the last show. You got to go next Uh, I will go I have a handy's order So dallas philly, washington, new york. Yeah, i'm gonna go.
I don't know what you could be browsing that would help you right now I want to be telling you Facts about this situation at this point that benefit you my whole hope here when looking at the eagles v cowboys at the top is just what is the Strength of schedule. They've got the ninth easiest strength of schedule But really if you're if you're between if you're not top five or bottom five and strength of schedule, I pretty much throw it out I'm gonna go with what I believe which is dallas number one Philly number two the giant number three and the commander's number four All right, none of us have the courage to take One of the worst teams and put them at the top you can still do it j you want to change all right? I'm gonna go commander's number one commanders giants. All right, that'll do it in fc west show for our saturday episode Guys august is almost here august is here five shows a week August first through the end of the yeah, so august first is that Thursday it is so we will have the regularly scheduled thursday show and there will be a friday show Yes, yes, and then we will be five days a week They're on out as football arrives.
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