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The crown is yours today is Wednesday, April 22nd. And the Philadelphia 76ers are back. The Boston Celtics are dead. That's what Max told me.
The Philadelphia 76ers are back. By the way, just a disclaimer for everyone listening right now, we recorded the beginning of the show or the on we recorded Monday night's games earlier in the day. So we will get to Hawks next. There might be some things said in there where I think the exact quote was something like, this will be really funny.
If the Celtics lose tonight, I said, and then Hank and Max was said, now that's not going to happen. But it did happen. Yeah. So Max, here's the thing.
You guys won. It was the max game. We told you there was an edge comb game. That was that was very difficult.
What you just said. Okay. All right. That was the edge.
Okay. You guys won. And you were not excited about it whatsoever. I want you to, I want you to feel free to get excited for winning a fucking game.
You guys was ecstatic. I was ecstatic. Okay, then showing my I am not going to be excited. They shot 50.
The Sixers are a bad three point shooting team. They shot 50% from three in this game. I cannot expect the Sixers to do 50% from three every single game. They're still most likely going to lose this series, but I was ecstatic.
Okay, let's go. You've been bottling it all up. I watched the last I watched. I told myself that I wasn't going to come in because I thought the Sixers had a better chance of winning if I didn't come in here and I thought that I was being a bad employee by not coming in for the end of the game.
So when I got down to like a two point game, I got my car. I got here for the end of it. But then you guys were doing something else. We're working on the book.
Yeah, no big deal. Right. So I just watch it with memes and Zach you and they can tell you how how fired up means that he's fired up. He's jumping.
Yeah, I mean, you were probably fired up to memes memes. I think was more fired up than me, but I was pretty fired up. You guys got Andre Drummond. Yeah, you had no answer for Andre Drummond.
Ten points, eight rebounds. That's a drummy. You got drunk. No, I already said it.
The Sixers are probably going to lose this series. They're almost definitely going to lose this series. That's a different. That's a change.
That's a change. Probably is a change. And I heard almost definitely. Probably almost not going to lose this series.
I'm not I'm not I'm still not excited for the rest of this series, but I am excited for the future core of the Philadelphia 76ers after watching Vijay Edgecombe and Tyree Smaxi in that game. Vijay Edgecombe is insane. Youngest player in NBA history to go for 30 points and 10 rebounds in a game. He's a beast and he's 19 years old in a playoff game and a playoff game.
I said that's that's twice. And I forgot the word playoff both times. Very important word. I'm excited for the future of the 76ers after watching that game.
I'm still not excited for the rest of this series yet. Okay, but you can allow yourself to get a little excited, Max. Let me take you back to to an important year in American history was 1776. The year that the 76ers would go on to be named after.
Well, no, I think I was you're the franchise star. Yeah, the franchise star with Josh Harris owned the team and he set them up in Constitution Hall. And he had George Washington come in and crank that Liberty Bell so hard that it broke. Max, when we started that war, there were two battles couple battles at the start.
No one thought that we were going to win either one of we won one of those first new battles. Then what happened? Taxes. Yeah.
Then. Yeah. Now. Now you have to pay tax unless you live in Florida or Tennessee.
We're saying Max is you can be excited, man. Be excited. I want you to do just a little bit. Probably.
You got to buy in just a little bit, Max. You said I gave you I gave you what I think I probably was a very big buy in this picture shot 50% from three and the shot like shit. Yeah, like that is not going to happen. I understand that that's not going to.
That's not necessarily true. But it just happened a couple times in the Celtics last year. Yeah, Hank, last few years. Listen, the Celtics that that was a playoff game that we have seen before probably three or four times in the last three or four years.
You live by three die by three if they miss 33s every game in the rest of the series, they're probably not going to win it. I don't think that's going to happen. And it's not like I'd rather lose that way than then play well and lose. That would have been worse.
Right. Right. The Sixers best beats your best would have been worse. Yes.
The Sixers best beat your worst. Yes. And they were in the fourth quarter. They still I'm impressive.
Impressive player. Sounds like we're barely Max. I wish you had been with us in the cut into two and then they am six years immediately. I was also like that we were working on the book and the Bruins were on.
So like I was barely. You're picked up and you're so beat up because that was the game you really cared about. Yeah, he's beat off as a must win. Yeah.
Yeah. I was beat. I was beat being off. Although the Celtics are in a worst spot in the Bruins now.
Because I have to go to. Yeah. One one. Like the Bruins stole a game on the road.
Yeah, they did. Tilt to the ice. They did. But I I have no no worries about the series.
I do. I did start to which I just I don't want to happen. Max doesn't want to happen. But if you start thinking God is an AWS game seven will happen in Vegas.
Yeah. And no one wants that. God. No one wants that.
If God, do you think God is an AWS? I don't. I do. Yeah, I do too.
Reading writing the book and going through all the dumb luck that we got along the way. Yeah. And how this this this collection of morons got to a place where the number one sports podcast, I think the G man might have our back. I also just think that killed Harambe for us.
God is listening to everything. Yeah. I'm just forgetting about Harambe. It's true.
Yeah. But God wouldn't take awards. He's like Missoula. I didn't say that.
He would like to put him up for God. He's a listener. Not an award. Imagine if the day you die, you go up, you go up to the Pearly Gates and God's like, Hey, ping, bong.
Good to meet you. 10 time AWL. I hope it's not 10. Bing bong.
Hey. I hope it's like 40. Yeah, that's true. Good point.
Good point. Increase you have the Pearly Gates. How much money does they make? Hey, suck my dick.
All right. So are you no panic button? No panic button. But this is the way you troll memes, which we'll get to in a minute.
I don't even remember. I think we're going to cut most of that. I don't I don't know. The show.
Yeah, let's just go on a series of great. Great interviews. Great interviews coming up. Love memes.
Great coworker. Just just love chopping up with the boys. I know they're not panicking numbers. Have you allowed yourself to think about what it would be like if you lost a series?
No. Would you like to take the time right now? No, take a second and just think about it. Like we're in Vegas.
It's big max party. Jerry's there. Yeah. Yeah.
Actually, I'm I might not go. Max. That would be such a bad weekend. But there's there's there's no.
But I mean, Hank, as good as a lot you've had a lot of really good weekends in the last couple years. Yeah, for sure. If I were you, I would be thinking about the universe swinging back at some point and delivering the worst weekend of your life. That's loser mentality.
You got to stay foot on the gas because you never know what it's gonna stop. You never know, Max, you would have appreciated. I wish you had come to the game. Hank did call game when it when the Celtics hit a three to make it 91 87, I believe.
He called game. It felt like game. Said game. Listen, I kept on checking in on him.
I was just like, Are you nervous? Are you nervous? He's like, No, no, no. And then the three have he goes, Oh, game, I was thinking about the, uh, and beat Sixers.
And I didn't realize that it's the edge going sixers. Now it's a different team. They play more winning basketball, less flopping and he played well. Is it be coming back?
Hopefully. Are you you? Would you want him back? What?
I mean, a Dembona is like barely an NBA basketball player playing 22 minutes a game for the Sixers right now. And you want and beat back? Sounds like he does. It's only he's not afraid.
He did say the team was better without him beat. I don't want a bono. I want to beat. Yeah, he would let he wants to get out of the drum and torture chamber.
The Celtics are going to win this series in five. Thank you. But I'm just I was happy about VJ Edge going with the dog. He's so fucking good.
Yeah. So fucking good. You guys have some good players. And I actually got cold for a while there.
Like it was good to see that he went through a stretch of he wasn't playing well. And then we needed him in the fourth quarter. He was fucking nails. Paul George is very good.
Yeah, do we think Paul George is back on the junk? Maybe no. Yeah. Memes has to take that.
What's your what's your technique? They suspended him so he could take better steroids. Oh, nice. Okay.
Why would the NBA want him to take better steroids? P bro. It is funny when guys who are just terrible get suspended for taking PEDs. Yeah, like the world's worst territory.
Right. Right. I'm not saying that he would be in that category. But if they if memes is theory is correct, and they suspend them and they're like, Hey, you're taking the wrong stuff, take some better Jews, then he's like, I don't know, it means it's ridiculous thought that that would happen.
But Paul George does look better than he has in the years past. Yeah, I also think once you had a certain age, you should be able to take stuff on the families agreed, agreed, I'm just going to interest you big time or games, big time agreed, Peter teals enhanced games this summer. Yes, it's protein. You smoke out of a hook.
The other big story tonight is when we got concussed fucking sucks. I think we all were excited about these playoffs on large part because when being when be getting unleashed, the blazers win in San Antonio and that listen, we wrote that series off because we thought Webby wasn't going to get concussed. He got concussed. That series is now I he's not going to come back to what game five probably game five game five is probably in like, it might be longer than that, depending on that.
I mean, it was a bad, you saw his head face just hit the floor. I mean, his face has a long way to go to the ground. Yeah. So yeah, anytime he hits it on the floor, it's gonna be bad.
It's a bummer. When be so much fun to watch. I know to me, it looked like it was more his jaw. I know that he's in concussion protocol probably has a concussion, but like he might have broken his jaw on that we might be seeing like, through the wire, wind be his playoffs.
Oh, I like that, which would be actually kind of that'd be kind of tough. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's now a series.
I don't know. I mean, if if when we hit just, like if he felled out of this game in the in the blazers, they won or when we had gone out and it wasn't a concussion, he was gonna be back in three, I would say, I'm not worried about this. But the fact that he might not get back till game five, it's got to give you a little bit of concern. Yeah, gives you some some concern.
The blazers took advantage of it. Clinging, let's go ahead. Henderson was awesome. He had like 30 points.
He was he was sick. Scoot Henderson game. So yeah, it's it's it's gonna be interesting to see what happens in this theory. We went from Sunday night talking about how like five of the eight series were completely over to today.
We're listen, we got some series. You can't you can't account for wind be falling on his face. They're not gonna watch any of the thunderstorms. We didn't see that coming.
There'd have to be like four guys on the thunder that have to get concussed. I actually don't I actually think it might be more. Okay. All right.
All right. Might be more. Okay. SGA.
Yeah. Hartenstein. Yeah. Caruso.
No, you can't concuss him. Okay. Unconcussable. Unconcussable.
Jalen Williams. Okay. If those I think if those guys are out, I might be competitive. No, if you have you still go out with Chet.
Oh, but you still got door. If you got Chet, Dorton Caruso, give me those guys. You're right. I think they have to get six guys concussed.
Yeah. Okay. Anything else? We're we're it's halftime of the Lakers, Rockets games.
We want to predict I think the Rockets are gonna win. Same. They're gonna come back and whether they're down three and a half. I think they're gonna come back and win.
I think the Lakers are gonna win. Okay. So there. So two o Lakers.
Two o Lakers. Wow. I think Lakers too. Kevin Durant is back playing has 20 points and a half or something.
13 points and a half. Oh, he's four for six nine points and a half. Celtics could use a guy that's that shooting 66% from three. I'm just a personal walking luchanard, Andre Drummond podcast.
Oh, any news you need of those two guys? I got you. I'm a brawny podcast. There you go.
Brian get in the first time. Yeah, he did. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Three minutes. They got over. They got to unleash brawny. I feel like his dad keeps him like too far.
He's pretty much grounded when he's on the court. Yeah, his dad's like, don't you dare. I will turn this team around if you shoot the ball, right? All right.
And then we'll talk about Oh, the other thing that happened was John Blackwell to Duke. Congrats Hank. Sloppy seconds. How does it feel?
Great. Sloppy seconds. Great. I just know how much are you?
No, it actually doesn't hurt me. I would have been way more hurt if he went if he went to Illinois if I'm being honest, just because having to play him in in conference, I think Illinois will be really good again. I am going to do because they're making tournament run. Yeah, they're going to be annoyed if they lose in the tournament, which they most likely will after getting like an 18 or nine point lead.
I'm going to say, wow, you spent all that money on on on our sloppy seconds and you couldn't get the job done. That's sad. And if they win, I'm gonna say you couldn't have won without a badger. Pretty I can get my way out of this one, right?
That's easy. Yeah. Any other Duke news? No, I think about live.
Oh, there's no other Duke news. The opposite. Yeah. You have any other Duke?
Yeah. Yeah. Anything else? I mean, it's the off season.
There's not much not much to report on. But yeah, live golf. They launched a new team. So they're thriving.
Oh, what's the new team? That you're joking, right? Yeah, it's because Brooks left. Oh, no, I was like, what's the team?
Holy shit, this would be the funniest thing if Liz is like, actually, we're expanding. This is just a version of like having a kid to say they broke no Brooks left and either they gave him his own team to smash. And so they just rebranded it. Now it's Taylor Gooch's Oklahoma golf club.
Oh, wait, that's not even close to all the other team names. Yeah. So give us a rundown of all the team names right now. There's the Crusher's GC.
So a lot of GCs there's Torque Torque fireballs now, but on the on the broadcast, okay, fireballs, fireballs, that Sergio for aces, of course. So these are just like made up names, then they just throughout Oklahoma. All right, the four aces, the crushers, the cliques, the fireballs, the high fliers, the majestics, rip, rip, wait, wait, wait, ironheads, Niblex. Niblex.
I know this isn't wait a minute. No, that's from the first the original. Yeah, there was the Niblex. What happened to Niblex?
That's like the Irish. Yeah. Yeah, what happened to the Niblex? I don't know if they ever even made it.
The Niblex Niblex aces, cliques, fireballs, high fliers can't get the high fliers. So bring back the Niblex. There's just the Korean golf club. That's kind of like Oklahoma, Legion 13, logistics, Oklahoma golf.
So Korea and Oklahoma, well represented the range goats. Yeah, the two big markets, rip a GC, the Southern guards. What is okay? Oh, and Niblex is an iron golf club with a wide deeply slanted face.
Use for short shots flopping. Oh, nice. Watch the video. Yeah, flop to nifty Niblex.
Hey, what is the Oklahoma golf? Who's from Oklahoma? Gooch. Gooch.
So it's just him. He gets control. It's his team. It makes way more sense.
It's all Brooks's team. Jason and the Cockrack, Graham, Dowl, Corkrack. Okay. Okay.
Okay. Jason Cockrack. Okay. Okay.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
I hate that. They should have been the Cockrack. Yeah, the Cockracks. What are we doing?
That was a good joke by me. I was what? I hate Cockrack. Did he fucking?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
No, that's good job. I didn't get it. Yeah. I can't believe I didn't think that would first.
I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I was gonna you're gonna appreciate that one. I try to be good. It's good. It's good.
I was just I was hypnotized by the phrase Cockrack. Yeah. That's definitely not I pronounced it. I'm Harold Varner, the third former forays.
And what's their logo? It's a bison. Oh, well, the 46 on it. Cool.
So yeah, that's the news. They don't like you. That's news from live. Saudi Arabia doesn't like people that have bison.
And that was the news. Yeah, they do not know. Okay. Now we're gonna time travel.
Do a quick ad and then we're gonna talk some nicks, hawks, some hockey by the way, congrats to the Bruins and also the lightning for evening up the series. We're gonna have we're gonna probably have one of our guys, Whit or Biz or Jans on Sunday night to recap every hockey series and where we're going. Have you heard the story about how the Tampa Bay Lightning was founded? You were the founder of the start by lightning?
No, we got to do it. We got to do it. We got to do it. Oh, allegedly.
But allegedly, the first owner of the lightning may not may not have existed. And if he did exist, may have been in the Yakuza. Oh, I like this. And no one's ever seen the guy.
So we got to do a deep dive. Remember that 3438 did about the islanders guy? Yeah, that guy rocks. That guy rocks.
The guy just like stamped his way. He was buying the islanders. He just didn't have any money. He just walks around being like, yeah, guy.
And they like, he went through the whole process. Right. And they were just like, all right, dude, you got the money. He's just like, now.
So they were starting off. They were an expansion team. So the NHL was willing to pretty much look the other way on whatever money was coming into them. And they had a group together that was ready to buy the team, the expansion rights, then their investment fell through their money guys fell through.
They had to scramble and find a new guy and find more money. And then this Japanese guy came in to write the final check. Nobody's ever met him. He never went to a game.
No reporters have ever heard of the guy. And then all of a sudden his face shows up in the official team program never goes to a game, never sets foot in the United States. And his investments overseas in Japan are tied to like some properties that are heavily involved with allegedly organized crime in Japan. But he might not have even existed.
He might just be like a figurehead for the Yakuza that happened to also buy, like use some of his investment money on a team in the United States, but he obviously doesn't own the team anymore. Yeah, they made himself a team because no one knew who the fuck this guy was. It is pretty cool. It is pretty awesome.
And I'm honestly shocked that I hadn't heard that story recently. By the way, do you guys see it? Speaking of hockey, do you see the abs game where the fans were just banging on the glass behind the King's bench and just shattered? Bad ass.
Yeah, that's a whole, that's a whole nice advantage. All right. So we gotta do a deep dive. We gotta find someone we can interview about this.
Who do we know? Something in the summer, we should do but we should do that in the island. Do we know anyone involved in pro sports in Tampa, Florida? Anyone like that?
John Gruden will be on the show on front and talking the draft. Yeah. Oh, are the Mets ever gonna win again? I don't think so.
Okay. 12 in a row. Yeah, I think they're gonna trade the entire team. In April?
Yeah, it's done. Pack up. So it was coming back. Yeah, I don't think it matters.
Okay. At this point, you're it's gone so far that if you have a 12 game losing streak, you're like just the whole season's done. As soon as you win one, you're probably gonna lose 12 more. Yeah, that's one way to think of it.
Yeah, I mean, it's also the way that you guys are losing it. Like you're doing stupid stuff. Frank was right. Your management.
I don't know. Like it's hard to throw everything on a manager in baseball because there's only so much effect they have on the outcome of the game. But it feels like you guys have pissed away a few wins. More than a few ever every win.
Yeah, they should have won all these games. Yeah, all these should have been a 12 game winning streak. Yeah, all they do is go to like three runs each game. That's pretty bad.
If you want to trade if soda wants to come home, that's how they've got the best offensive baseball. So you don't need so. Yeah, you're right. Good point.
Don't even need them. Okay, let's get to some more playoff action. We'll do hot, see cool. We got two awesome interviews coming up.
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be that was your pick I was gonna be I was looking at Tobias Harris I was looking at points rebounds assist I was gonna go 15 points I love it I love it I love it 15 points Tobias Harris max I will not be I will not be taking this back oh come on it's where the boys together why are you why are you not going to take the podcast pick max some things are bigger than the pie oh you hate to why there's that much yeah Toby and Bobi your Boba guy that's my best friend oh yeah yeah you should have bad bad job by you hey I'll be fading fading myself the line doesn't make a lot of sense to me therefore I'll be taking the Detroit Pistons minus nine and a half okay so we just taken all PFTs I'm going to take uh Duncan Robinson three threes all right so we've loaded up on the piece up yeah piece up okay give me the chance let's let's talk about so we already talked about Tuesday night's games let's go back in time talk Monday night's games I think we should probably start with the series I think we all are very tuned in on is the Cavs Raptors mm-hmm yeah the Cavs Raptors I this was one of my series that I already said was over I think we can all agree it's over it's over we don't need to we actually don't have a recap on a game that didn't happen yeah we know it's it is what it is I think I saw a stat that the Cavs have now beaten the Raptors 12 straight times in the playoffs 12 straight games or 12 straight games 12 straight games been 10 years since the Cavs lost the Raptors in the post that's pretty impressive yeah so it this is just the Raptors even admitted it they were just like I think I saw a quote RJ Barrett said to be honest uh talking about James Harden and Donovan Mitchell said to be honest they're a problem they're a problem we got to watch film and figure out how to fix that yeah it's a problem we're having we're having some problems stopping the Cavaliers is it very accurate analysis actually so it's so hard and the smart move for him would be to just make sure that it doesn't get to a game six or a game seven yes and so are we saying that it's going to be a sweep uh I'm gonna give the Raptors one okay just just I just throw a nice one out there yeah the gentleman sweep yeah let's just say okay guys here you go the Canadian blow up have have one and you can you can enjoy it I'm looking at I'm looking back right now let's see the uh Cavs Raptors let me see the Raptors oh wait no that's all right so that's not true the Raptors have beaten the Cavs in games I don't know why I saw that stat maybe it's only years maybe it's years that they haven't won they haven't beaten the let me look at the stat again I'm sure it's been 10 years since the Cavs lost the Raptors oh yeah it's just lost to the Raptors in the postseason okay so uh yeah it's a long time I think it's been longer than that for the the Wizards I don't know that the Wizards have ever lost the Raptors in the postseason oh that's huge yeah hold on I'm looking I'm looking this up again yeah they played in 27 17 18 that was a seven game series and they played yeah they played they played some good series but this one is not a good series it's not but Scottie Barnes future faces league like in a future face of this league game coming up future face of this league uh okay let's let that was a joke we're not actually here to talk about the Cavs and Raptors we're here to talk about the Hawks in the next and that series also over pardon my take that was it was you're right hang up you're right it was said to be over uh is it over still never said which way oh true okay Connor you're right there you are what's so before we talk about the game let's let's get to the bottom this beef I did see a tweet that uh memes throughout there that said that hank actually is tweeted more about the Cavs or sorry the Knicks in the Hawks series two games so far and game two it was specifically game two then he did all about his own team being in the Super Bowl is that what was wrong no it's not yeah it's sorry he had four tweets of the Super Bowl that what about the halftime show no tweet about it after when we were going by yeah save save for the show it's smart thanks always think about always so me but yeah that was just a you're wrong correct statement you're wrong but the sentiment behind it was you're upset because Hank seems to be taking more joy in watching you lose than he is with his own teams correct how many times they do have the Celtics game one just one clip just one clip and wait how many was the total number for last night uh three what do you think that twice during the game I tweeted one clip this morning which is a video it's roll over that's a roll over screaming punch each other which made me laugh that's a roll over so it's a means what is your takeaway from from Hank doing that why is this problem good question really just fuck face well that's established that's actually like all that's in the part of my take constitution it's canon Hank Hank is a fuck face that's a law he is look at him right now are you guys okay between the two of you how many memes is the most sore loser read maybe this whole company really yeah he just smiles he talks shit he talks so much shit on that's now just just so we are clear here that's saying something because we are a company of sore losers myself included like we know one here loses well you think he is number one source you talk he's top of the list wow he told me he kept telling me how how he was coming he's thinking about me in the shower all this stuff wait what yeah that's what he's been like sexually assaulting me for weeks well that's crazy Hank was saying the m word back here I said nix you're saying I'm sexually assaulting you did you factor fiction you said I think about you in the shower I think about the Celtics in the next in the shower you're just putting yourself there and I want to be there but you're you're you're you're thinking about Hank though in that Celtics next shower thoughts no I just thought about just being Celtics but that's that you can see in Hank's defense like that that feels like a Hank went dream Hank's kind of part of the team yeah Joe Missoul has him as part of the rock I mean factor fiction he was on the duck boats he was in the celebration of the parade mr I kind of I kind of rule with Hank on that you were thinking about Hank in the shower what makes what makes me such a sore loser I never thought he was sore loser he comes in and he just acts like he wants to fight he starts throwing around crazy allegations and he just like what the end word that you said and word yeah the the twitter receipts which were wrong but it's like it's game one if you're gonna talk shit you gotta be able to like take it when you lose man we're obviously taping this in the morning and we haven't we don't know what happens on Tuesday as we're sitting here imagine if the okay all right so memes any any response to this well that like nobody says anything when you win and they just want to see the next lose and they just pile on it came to can I say something to America I do think would you agree memes and I think I've seen a little bit of this bubbling up Nick's fans like doing the videos after losses is weird saying fuck Trey Young who's not on the Hawks is a little weird it does it feels like those post-game videos which I think are so we're so awesome when the next were underdogs now that they're favorites in the series and like should go to the conference finals all this stuff it feels like it's maybe that I don't know it's people just trying to go viral not people who are like authentic yeah no that's fair I don't think the people outside the game last night were next yeah that was weird it was just weird to be like yelling doing a yelling video after loss it should after loss everyone should just be depressed yeah no I'm with you I didn't really understand that video okay my favorite narrative of this game is now the CJ McCollum villain arc yeah he's on we've turned CJ McCollum into a villain such such a villain and I think NBA villain I think I think nice guy CJ McCollum I think he's out there breaking the hearts of the very uh the easily uh easily rootable for Nick's fans James Dolan and the Palantir surveillance state at MSG and CJ McCollum is going in there and breaking their sweet little innocent hearts yep and I think it's just he's a scary guy yeah I'm terrified of CJ McCollum my biggest takeaway from this game is and I know that there were there are a lot of people who are very defensive rightfully so of Jalen Brunson but this was a bad Jalen Brunson game this was a if you don't think a team with Jalen Brunson is the number one start win a championship that was like this is why the ball just stopped in his hand for what felt like forever in the last eight minutes of the fourth and he was getting torched on deep he could not stay in front of CJ McCollum whatsoever so McCollum was nine for twelve when he's got Jalen Brunson and that's like that Jalen Brunson is a very very good player we were having this debate on wake up Arsenal like how many times have you had a championship team where the player is somewhere in like the eight to twelve best player in the NBA not a lot like you need I don't know that would be my like I do think I'm gonna win this series but it was a this is bad this is this is why you have to be a little nervous about Jalen Brunson when he can't he was getting it was it looked like one of us trying to guard CJ McCollum and sometimes would you agree memes yeah no that was tough but I do think overall coaching loss of game I would say it was more Jalen Brunson but yeah the coaching wife because of no they just went they were just go like 10 minutes without Jalen Brunson and Kat in the game right yeah yeah what do you think about going too big what do you think about going Kat and Mitchell I like that but last year in the playoffs tips they do good job one one of either Jalen Brunson or Kat always was in the game at all times and plus minus was positive each time yeah as soon as they go out it's just negative plus but you had them but you had them and they were going into like the end of the third quarter and then Jalen Brunson was just it was just ball-hogging and they were out and when they came back in they were still up nine or eight yeah that's when the announcer said this is rock we're in rocker park right now yeah that was my favorite part of the game it was pretty hard when they're like this sounds like rocker park tough tough night for the NBC crew with the timeout gate where they had a phantom timeout on the screen I think no Eagle said they had a timeout left turns out they did not have a timeout left which was though Mike Brown's fault because he didn't use his user to lose it before the three-minute mark and then called timeout at two forty three that was bad yeah no he just had his answer spot for majority fourth I do think though people are praying on the next down for this one game it's one game I think the next one I know why are we freaking out it's one game Jalen Brunson needs to not play iso ball and blowing a huge fourth quarter lead at home not a cause of concern it's definitely cause of concern go memes go and Celtics have never done this twice last year are you are you fucking kidding me yeah it was a cause of concern we lost a series a hundred like a hundred percent if that happens it's a cause of concern I agree you blew 220 point leads in the fourth and and what happened in that series he's got you there maybe she walked into that maybe she's kind of agreeing on it got you he's by agreeing with you he's actually yeah when the Celtics blew those leads it was a cause of concern it's just one lead it's just one like you so so so it so it has to be another big lead yeah further to be a cause of concern yes okay so right now not concerned no how on a scale of one to ten how not concerned are you met at ten oh so we're so really not concerned no really not concerned because last year they lost game two pretty handily to the Pistons at home mmm when a Detroit one two came back lost and then went back to dream one okay so yeah we're just doing the same things last year yeah so that's checkmate hang gotcha yeah gotcha I do think it's funny though that the media is trying to turn CJ McCollum into a villain the least villain player in the in the NBA and after the game he was like I'm just I'm just a nice guy with a wife and kids I don't know what you I think they want him to be Trey Young so bad like they want anybody that beats the next to be Trey Young and CJ McCollum just like I'm sorry I'm not a villain I just I I had Jalen Brunson trying to guard me one on one fourth quarter I couldn't miss yeah by the way I just for the most no one gives a fuck but I just want to update my updates my update the Cavs have beaten the Raptors 12 straight games I was reading the the thing wrong see they swept him in 27 2018 they swept him in 2016 2017 and they beat him the last two games in the year before that so it is it is 12 straight I do it means to your point I'm sorry about that for everyone I know no one cares I do think that the Knicks have a coaching mismatch problem in the series I don't think that's gonna be an issue I think it's gonna win but I think Quinn Snyder is like by far a better coach yeah I agree with you it was just deflating yeah they should just won they should have won the game so that's feels like maybe a mini cause for concern yeah mini cause how how much do you hate um Henry Lockwood a lot yeah like how much a lot okay why would you fight him if it was a lot if we were if we allowed we said physical violence is allowed for the next hour would you fight him no but I was like hey it's totally like whatever happens next hour you cannot be held against you no laws just do whatever you want would you visit would you put hands on him no what if he said the n-word again then we might have to say memes without using the word fuckface can you just describe why you hate Hank so much right now privilege okay listen memes I said before we got in here I was like I hate I hate Hank too so it's like but you did get mouse trapped in the cause for concern debate there that he got you on because they did lose the series they did lose that series right and he had cause for concern we're on game privilege or just win it yeah no here's the thing that's in privilege it sounds I don't think you're being completely honest I don't think you're telling the whole truth on why you hate Hank because I think it goes deeper than just the fact that Hank wins Hank's only one one time since I've been on the show so what privilege are you talking about um his team's good seems good seems good yeah right now they're playing they're playing the 76ers without him beat their Patriots just padded the easiest schedule of all time to a Super Bowl it sounds more personal than just privilege yeah it sounds like just something else there it's privileged one in a way a games championship against yours to them that's that there you go it's not that was you privilege yes all right I can't I mean I hope Nick's Celtics happens but the Hawks I mean they're dangerous so you didn't call him this killer he was everyone could have had him on their team yeah I have a question for Connor you said this next team was built to beat the Celtics are they built to beat the Hawks oh no they're not built to beat the Hawks are not built to be the Pacers they were designed to be the number one to eat Celtics are the Celtics number one seed no last year got it okay so you've designed a team to beat a team from last year that you already basically yeah but they still have to take him to jail ground we have long wings designed to defend them like an Albatross yeah because all they do is shoot three is in their one-dimensional what happened with Jill and Prince on the last possession he just didn't want the ball that was weird uh Josh Hart I just think I think he was just maybe looking that way McKill Bridge is I know that everyone's gonna play McKill Bridge I mean it wasn't a terrible shot and I think a lot of people were mad at the moment because they thought they had a timeout they didn't use if they if they had a timeout they didn't use it that would have been egregious I think you got to go to the rack yeah probably yeah because if you get fouled going online make one to yeah both so how many games memes I think we're going six or seven okay six or oh so you said that it was not a cause of concern you said that you were at a 10 on your not concerned meter but if you go seven games that's you're gonna be concerned I think we're just doing the same things last year but you know I'm saying like if you predict seven games that means you're gonna be very concerned that would be a very concerning game yeah no it's not that concerning okay I think it's gonna be but you're gonna blow them out in game seven no it'll probably still be close okay but not never concerned yeah I had confidence with this team going into the series like I'll apologize for that but no you don't apologize it's one game they're just probably the same team it's one game memes you should if they lose game three then you can maybe start apologizing it's one game not apologize for the series over okay okay well yeah I mean it's there's probably aw's watching who didn't watch the game because of what you did I apologize to those people okay who do you hate more in this group Trey young Hank or CJ McCallum it's a good question mmm you're not CJ McCallum okay I like CJ McCallum yeah we're current guest I don't think okay okay all right the other the other the series that we said make sure you keep watching Tim Roles Nuggets is now 1-1 and it was the go-bear game not from a points perspective but the defense that the wolves sorry T-walls put on the nuggets in the fourth quarter was insane Jay McDaniel's and and and go-bear like had the pick and roll in fucking hell which mom early Murray and yolkish and now we're going back to Minnesota and that's it like they're the the Tim Roles when they ratchet up the defense they're they're scary we've seen this story in the last few years the Tim Wolves yeah it was a uh I think this is exactly what we said that they needed on Monday we needed the root rooty go-bear where he doesn't score two points two points doesn't score at all and if you look at his stats even on defense like didn't really do much like he had a decent game rebounding well there's a lot of rebounds that were stolen from like he was there but he mocked everything up yeah he would just like run into yolkish pissed him off early that was that was the key like with yolkish I feel like every game he's going to get better as the game goes on and everybody else gets tired but if you can piss him off in the first quarter and in the first half and and make sure that he doesn't fill up the stat sheet by halftime then you've given yourself some room where maybe you can win there was also some moments where like yolkish was just not going to his floater that is always like passing out of it and decide not take it he was taking you know I think that the Tim Roles have said hey let's have yolkish just take three he was one for seven he's he's taken 14 threes in the first two games three for 14 that's a winning recipe in terms of like you want yolkish taking threes versus yolkish going to the to the rim passing out of it or hitting that floater that feels automatic and we also had Jamal Murray with I don't even understand what he was doing in that last possession taking a long two down three with 11 seconds left in the game no idea yeah this dude just take a step back three I'd rather have that that's the you don't need a three here a vacation of the game yeah but there's a rim there could be like two seconds left in the game you're down by three and I'll be like don't need a three here yeah it always sounds really smart when you say you're gonna hear this stat a whole lot because we got a couple one one games if you had if you go up to nothing in a series that team wins 92.7% of the time in the first round it's 94% of the time and now if the team goes up to one now they move on 80% of the time everyone's gonna be saying that with this game I still think the nugget's win I think the nugget's win in six but the the Tim Roles do have a formula for they've done it before yeah this is how you piss off the nuggets enough and shake them out of the game for a little bit where you can take advantage of you have a good game from from your players the also max ready for this you know ready you know is like most important player maybe not best player most board player maybe not even most board player best player he's just a dog you're gonna say this is gonna piss memes off what you're about to say it is but Dante David yeah so fucking good dude he was everywhere he's exactly what you want yeah out of that player like rebounding assist when he you know he's not gonna take the most shots that's gonna go to aunt when he shoots he makes him six or nine like he was made for threes made huge play after huge play like that guy is a winning player memes was saying all year that he would rather have Dante than Giannis on the other day wait so hold on mr.
Robinson best player in the NBA Dante even even Chenzo better than Giannis so you guys had the best team of I know we did plus minus in this game plus 20 plus 20 the next size was plus six dude he was so good every time he's on the court and he just again it's when you have a guy who's like he's gonna be the third or fourth highest volume shot taker but when he takes him he makes him it's invaluable it's crazy he was so good he was everywhere too who would you rather have a cat would you rather have Dante or Carl Anthony towns I mean I think Dante yeah I think Dante too there's something about also breaking up a fast break like a two on one if you're that defender and you break up that to one that feels like it feels like you just had three fast breaks of your own it's crucial such a momentum switch yeah what's that means now we're just talking Dante back here yeah just give us the Dante I love Dante yeah for Carl Anthony town has been to the conference for three years I love Dante it's concerning that he passed out of pool mm-hmm yeah but he and he also he he lost his DJ computer but then he found it that's good yeah it's good so we're passive dubs that's why he's the best he doesn't know that he's being filmed yeah despite being filmed the whole time everywhere uh that took me way too I was like a bunch of stories about it but I don't know um speaking of you so many people that are listening yes big time speaking of guys that uh probably don't understand the impact of talking into cameras when they're around Jayden McDaniel's after the game uh really really kind of turned it up a little bit what would he say if I was on the uh Minnesota Tim Tim dubs Tim dubs I would be pretty upset with what Jayden McDaniel said what do you say after the game he just talked about the nuggets defense and he said go after yolkich Jamal all the bad defenders Tim Hardaway, Cam Johnson, Aaron Gordon the whole team just go at him and then they said wait they're all bad defenders he said yeah they're all bad defenders they don't got people that can defend the rim we're still more athletic than them we just got to be able to finish when we do I mean he's not wrong he's he might not be wrong but you don't need Jayden McDaniel's saying this I mean he's a good defender so he knows good defense he does but like you don't need to say that for games it's a 1-1 series well we also had Anthony Edwards very funny quote did you see he said uh when he was looking at his box score in the post game he said shits ass I missed 15 shots he's like I'm ass shits ass shits ass shits ass uh okay hockey fires fired up what do you think the fires are fun the goal is a beast business doing awesome videos in the Darth Vader mask Porter Martone is a superstar by the way can we just say real quick that Porter Martone getting to play in Philly and you guys all having to say Martone is so awesome that was a great video Porter Martone yeah it's great it's great it's a perfect name for Philadelphia it's great I love the max is analysis it's just gonna be throughout the play I was like Porter Martone yeah there's a guy named Hathaway that scored last night I was made me think of Anne Hathaway I'm gonna get analysis yeah I fucking hate Anne Hathaway I don't know why it was a crazy thing I know I know it's crazy we'll have people that just kind of love us the wrong way for whatever I've just never been in Anne Hathaway she's a legend of the game I think she's just kind of annoying she's always been I don't know she's just been irritating to me you know she's an actor I do know she's not that's not her actress you know what she's beautiful she's a you're she's a fucking not gonna fucking max you don't great after very funny news oh yeah I told you oh let's find out yeah you guys uh I don't know she just maybe it's the fact that she's a massive Danny Woodhead fan and that makes me jealous that should make you love her I know that's crazy it's never been a fan I love you know oh she's five eight yeah so we get it we have it awesome yeah perfectly average I shit I don't know we all have people like that that you just for whatever reason you're dating yes fair I like how we got yeah she's a fuck face we also so so you guys are dominating this series up to both road games also dominating the fans I don't know if you guys saw one of the weirdest NFL Twitter beefs online Twitter because I didn't think that you're gonna talk about that I didn't either but it was so uncomfortable that was insane I guess I don't know the whole back story but there's a Twitter user named Pickensburg who has had beef with icy vert from snapback sports and Pittsburgh went up to icy vert and and confronted him I think the viewer just lost everyone icy vert has like he should get a restraining but then again I have to give I have to give credit because I love weird internet and I love crazy people Pickensburg did a seven hour periscope after letting people just come on and be like do you think I want to lost and I might be back in I think I'm back in I was I watch a video I was like this was a bad look yeah but seven hours I'll be like all right you're on do you think I want to loss and then people like lost why I think I'm back in I like the caption he went up to when he was like and he folded yeah absolutely and that was just like this is weird this is weird what he don't need one of these like it's just it's it's a true like hey just if you don't root for the flyers of the penguins just grab your popcorn and watch these two go at each other but it's not going true I got no what they always existed what happened between the two I think it was something about trans kids I don't understand it's it's just keep calling him icy lid but I don't know why and then it cracks me up and the look on the and the look on the icy vert kids face was like are you serious it was so funny oh my god I I this is why rough and rowdy exists no but that was part of this exact why would you fight me and icy vert was like because I have a broken back oh yeah it's so funny yeah Charlie she's pretty like I'm not going to fight it like that's actually a totally fine thing to say when someone tries to step to you I'm curious where this goes next I don't know but I'm I will be tuned in yeah he does another marathon periscope like him just addressing every single person respect on that side because like I was just ridiculous the whole thing ridiculous respect to Pickensburg for keeping the Pickensburg handle yeah like long after Georgie's gone yeah it's quite something I think you got I think you got like halfway through the I tuned in for like a little bit halfway through the periscope he was like they just figured out that he was lying about his height and that was a whole thing pickensburg was yeah I see and then they all a comment I'm in too deep I apologize a lot of people are like what the fuck you talking about but I'll just finish with this the common denominator was both of them took a picture with Amanda Vance and then they were like who's who's taller compared to her I got the green line who stood up straighter with her we had the hurricane centers which by the way that was that was crazy because people were blaming Carolina for being a bad hockey town from him empty overtime but they had a goal that they didn't tell them they were gonna review and people left yeah but you got to stick around you do a true hockey fan knows yeah ground did you know that the owner of the hurricanes is the same guy that owns the blazers oh Dundon Dundon cheapo guys cheap cheap cheapo Dundon the subprime God the guy that I think he's been investigating his company has been investigating like infinity states for charging just predatory loans there were more there more stories about it this one actually like pissed me off there was a story that the day of the blazers son's game he of an eyewitness saw a bunch of the blazers staff just sitting in the hotel lobby at like one o'clock because Dundon made them all check out early so they didn't have to pay for like a super late check out because they were traveling after the game yeah so he just basically made them all leave their hotel room it there's actually nothing worse than having to leave a hotel room and you have like that gap of five hours where you just have to walk around with your bags and that's the worst yeah pretty bad it's you think that he bought the blazers because their logo is the most similar to the hurricanes logo maybe and he just didn't want to pay for like having different logos everywhere yeah yeah maybe he's got like some some kind of weird thing you got special with the holes yeah he puts a logo he's like all right I don't have to change anything I think I had something to do with it yeah we also the the Oilers game was crazy I mean the Oilers play too late at night but to win with like two minutes left we're oiled up this year listen wake me up in the Stanley cup finals yeah we'll be there I watch some of the wild stars game yeah and thoughts there was one sequence where the goalie had a really sick save and then the stars also scored on the other side in like 15 seconds it was it was it was lit oh hell yeah so that's that's my analysis on that game okay that's good we'll have I could just I might just become hockey well bizzer with back on now I got it don't worry about it okay so what's your final prediction for flyers penguins flyers in six okay what about what's your prediction for I don't know it started off I see for one one the exchange but hearing about the parents go by thinking there's one one he did he faced the music so much that yeah I think it might be back to one one Boston Buffalo people track of all savers for sure okay savers for sure how many steps up yep how many games seven I was gonna go seven okay go the distance Tampa Bay Montreal Montreal Tampa Tampa's washed okay yep okay the mammoth and the Knights by the way I love the man bony oh dude I want the mammoth Zamboni is the coolest thing that's ever existed our guy Jordan Schmaltz I want a free ride on them on the on the man bony what do you mean our guide would give it was he give it away no he so Jordan Schmaltz who's doing the the young off with Dana he's got the home by three podcast shout out those guys Rob Gucci his brother older brother younger brother plays for the mammoth and we bet on he went Jordan went played it North Dakota and we bet North Dakota Wisconsin in the the I got I got a ride on the man so we can go on it the man bony is we go it's the coolest piece of technology that's ever just out of hockey game so we have a free ride if we want to go I get a plus one too so I'll take you it is fucking awesome yeah I love that thing Los Angeles Colorado Colorado mechanic yep yep you can me I'm not kidding me bro I sure I'm not kidding man you kidding me yeah easy how many games five okay all right when my leaving our ducks Euler's ducks Euler's oh wait oh yeah yeah yeah four okay easy yeah four's very possible and then enjoy say stars wild I like the wild and seven okay great series yeah and Carolina oh hurricanes for they play they play her kids for hurricanes for they're the best team in hockey for sure they play slow and boring but they're just gonna win means that was exact words for me that's actually that's very good analysis they're so good so good and they're very very boring to watch unless you're hurricanes fan and if you are it's probably the best yep okay that was our hockey expert Max Valentin you're right we don't need any of the chips yeah we got Max he's ready to go imagine naming your podcast after spitting a piece of candy out Max would never do that no never never candy in candy in the max swallowing chickless swallowing swallowing swallowing candy the Max Valentin hockey podcast okay before we get to our interviews let's do hot sea cool throne it is actually Max it should be swallowing gum 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good okay we think about it hey you're hot sequel throw my hot seat are people in the media who think Buffalo fans are fair weather fans oh who's that just a lot of many people say it yeah that's coming heads Sky Francis Daniels put out a tweet with some stats that Buffalo has made class since 2001 they're the largest US market for 2026 Olympic gold medal game in 2015 16 17 18 19 21 or not 21 22 23 24 they were the largest local viewership from a neutral market and their projected the largest US market for the 2026 regular season so okay so good hockey tag egg on those people's faces yeah idiots they've been just thirsty for good hockey and they deserve it yeah I guess and like are these people Boston fans who the people who have egg on their face it's people in the media I don't know what people what teams you know media people are unbiased right look at things you know if they were if they were Boston sports fans I would imagine that they if they're gonna say something like that about Buffalo they're probably locked in all year long on the Bruins right you would assume so yeah yeah yeah okay so not fair weather fans would be the ones I would say no Bruins fans they they're you're either watching every single gamer you came and call yourself a Bruins you're an 82 or yeah you really saved them but I was gonna say like in how many games there was 200 I'm a 246 period or oh nice you do that math in your head yourself right I was right you not watch any over times you nailed yeah what you got good I was impressive good will hunting over here how did you do that to just added eight times three four that's not two times three six I think was a gender at MIT before you started I don't know if that made sense that made sense in my head what I just did I know you're right Max good job thank you and then we're just so we're blown away by simple man hey seven three times blown away two hundred and nineteen I'm always wicked smart I'm not going stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop my cool throne is Bryson ah okay good he's back yeah we he's back I know we're talking about how he's how he's become super hatable again but then a New York New York Times article came out yesterday talking about how he met with people in the you know in the tour whatever about negotiations of what he might do next and he's still demanding five hundred million to resign with live and actually did use YouTube he said I could just play YouTube golf and play the four majors that's how I was saying how is he cool thrown he's using his leverage YouTube golf it's not really cool thrown but it's more like cool thrown Bryson being like super hable and delusional it's like this is this is Bryce this is a hundred right right in the chamois as we as we've come to know him and love him is back but the thing about Bryson is he does have a very solid core young audience that will watch him on YouTube golf but they're also a little bit delusional about how successful Bryson is going to be if he only plays YouTube golf I also don't he needs he needs to play other tournaments in order to feed people watching him on YouTube I also as as successful as YouTube is if you know YouTube golf is a you can make a lot of money you can make way more money winning tournaments on tours yes whether it's live whether it's PGA tour like I don't know you know if you win whatever map is Patrick on four million dollars in one week yeah like that's you're gonna have to be pumping out YouTube videos to even come close by the way I really don't make five hundred million dollars from YouTube in here I appreciated what what Matt Fitzpatrick said after he won on Sunday that was actually very cool yeah I watched the last three holes I don't know if you happen to see like the crowd that started chant USA USA it's Patrick as it went into a play-off all I did but so this way said afterwards I grew up watching football I'm paid so much money to be out there in front of those crowds having them chanting at you every week it's a great feeling however there's no better feeling than coming out on top against that it's got like winning away against your biggest rival nothing to Scotty is the fans that have served me on there is nice to win but I never crossed the line so like that's that's what we need yeah we need we need athletes who can say that instead of getting their feelings heard about it absolutely or you're supposed to have something that you root for and root against it was what I why tuned in I bet Scotty live plus 500 that stuff when he was when he was two down with three to play almost at it yeah I took him and see we were for the final game almost at it finally I'm fine round is that yeah is that all you have for hot sequel throne did I think oh yeah my other cool thrones accountability oh okay why okay why why like for a ball I did a press conference and what do you say why we we talk about football what well we get press conference about what yes we can draft so he's probably talking about who's gonna pick I mean press conference just take questions from the media it's right I know it's a football press conference he's a football coach yeah right so he's talking about a kind of movie for what he said in order but you just you know off-season press conference starts with him every every coach does that what he's taking accountability for Hank did something happen that I'm not aware of I think you're missing the point but he's taking accountability for accountability he's just talking about what he's talking about tough conversations he had with his team about what though lessons and values and what we gotta get to the bottom of this sounds very like something I mean I'm not in the locker room I don't know about you did anything happen with Mike Vable in the last few weeks that you can know I mean there was there was a there was some pictures that came out what would you categorically deny pictures you know the existence of the pictures no he just said it's a misrepresentation what happened and so what were the pictures describe them to me in detail I must have missed it was just him in a pool okay that's it yeah with friends with friends with the ass according to them yeah friends or friends from according to their statements any other pictures to him on his balcony looking at the rocks what was he doing there just looking at the rocks what did what did he have to say at the press conference though he said in order to be successful on and off the field you have to make good decisions right but accountability is like you're not taking accountability right now you're not telling me what happened I just told you everything you asked I answered every question you asked do you think Mike Vable was doing something he should have been doing I think you can infer I'm not I don't know whether or not he was I think you can infer from his statements that he was alluding to the fact that he made a bad decision okay when I think it was a bad decision yeah I don't know he said it was a misrepresentation so based off his statements no we're not in the inferring business we're in the facts where the facts where the takes business he says and he said that it was a misrepresentation and he said you got to make a decision one thing I appreciate about he's monitoring the situation yeah and as more facts come out it's fluid the story will develop shit is flew and out separately from all this AJ Brown patriot that's what I was talking about yeah oh I thought you were trying to get him on rainbow no so it's AJ Brown a patriot oh Shaftor tweeted out that it's going to happen that it's going to happen it's impending and then it's gonna be a first and it's whoa are well are you you're upset it's gonna be a first that's that's chef there's like yeah that's his air and boy so do you who who apologizes to who Max Paul judges me what no Max does always all in apology for what I think you know to the listener you said you were he wasn't even treated I didn't ever said that you never said that you've definitely said that I'm happy with first round pick first round pick that we we traded AJ Brown for a first round pick five years ago won a Super Bowl then we're getting back a first round pick it's actually dropped either that's what that either 2027 or 2028 doesn't matter first round pick you want it next year little pro tip the draft's gonna be incredible next year backs we'll take a lot of quarterbacks next year we'll take a first round pick as long as it's not this year because who knows the next nine patrons are gonna be this low in the first round what does that mean are this high in the first low low yeah like pick and second to last correct wait why do you say that it sounds like they've got a coach that takes accountability it's a good point and it starts with him mmm good point gotta make a decision on and off field are you making good decisions backs no it takes three bars a day it's great to see you if you didn't have any girl whale you had zero fires okay good job Hank is it okay good to see my hot seat is smokers I don't know if you guys saw the story hook a protein no not the hook a protein Hank but just smokers in England in general you know what they call cigarettes in England memes homophobic to yeah that's right that's another that's what they call cigarettes in England that's a great point but Hank he's racist and well I was asking memes with the answer uh so yeah in England they're actually banning those things for people that were born after I think 2008 so if you're born after 2008 in England you will never be allowed to buy cigarettes for the rest of your life whoa so you can be 50 years old and they will card you and they will say no I'm sorry you were born damn after 2008 you can't buy cigarettes damn so there will be 70 year old people at some point in England asking like 80 year old people if they can buy them cigarettes that's like shoulder tapping them at the nursing home they're trying to they're trying to cut down on the most profitable cause of death and yeah lung cancer sucks and sucks I don't see I don't see how it's going to work and I also don't see America doing anything like that but it's pretty crazy they're just saying yeah no one we're just going to get rid of smoke that is not entirely in our country yeah that is nuts wow okay yeah I mean I guess it could work because you if you do it you're stringent enough eventually it will just be phased out of society yeah that's what they're going for yeah but I mean like have they ever had a cigarette like when they're drunk they're taking away a very very pleasurable experience yeah yeah have you ever had a cigarette like after you're drunk after you just got laid and you're drunk that's pretty awesome after late thing seems that's just a movie thing well it's changed it's changed now like the new smoking a cigarette after you have sex is checking your phone mm-hmm vaping yeah vaping well I think they're gonna try to get rid of vaping too over in England okay um but yeah I don't know I don't if I were to guess I would say it's probably gonna get overturned because I can't see an entire country just being like yeah no more so we're not smoking cigarettes what are you gonna do in England what else is there to do it's rainy your team just got relegated and you have like a hundred thirty four million dollar payroll mm-hmm like you have to let them smoke yeah let them smoke okay you're cool my cool throne is Mike Tomlin yeah Mike Tomlin's back Mike Tomlin's gonna be on NBC Sunday night football they just hired him they just made that announcement and it just reminded me who do you think is going to have a better career as a sports analyst at NBC Mike Tomlin or Michael Jordan who's been just fantastic this year on the NBA on NBC um probably Mike Tomlin but I I feel like Mike Tomlin like Mike surprises without boring is I actually think that would not be a surprise well no I'm just saying like everyone's you know he seems like a very personal guy players love him I think he's probably not gonna be that great I think Mike Tomlin is gonna just like be he's not gonna want to insult any other coach right he's gonna not want to like take thing he's thinking about his next job too you need like all these all these post-game shows and pre-game shows needs like a Twitter troll or like a drunk guy who just will let it fly because it's too nice yeah he pick his work yeah Charles Barkley is that way like he doesn't yeah he's not lusting after any NBA job he's not gonna be a general manager anyway Mike Tomlin is definitely gonna try to get back in a football yeah and I feel like he is he's gonna be like him and uh and Jason Garrett just like being the 1% milk version of TV analyst yeah but it did remind me that Michael Jordan technically is one for yeah do that one in NBC how much money do you think Michael Jordan got for a 30 minute interview shit that they just kind of like sprinkle out throughout the season mode so much good for him yeah okay my hot seat is uh the Chicago Bulls because Billy Donovan has decided to leave so now the bulls have to do the thing where they have to find it's actually a good thing for for anyone rooting for the Chicago Bulls myself included that they are forced into finding a front office and new head coach at the same time which is the correct thing to do but it's hot seat Michael Ryan's door because he wanted to keep Billy Donovan so bad that he basically was like we'll build a whole team out of Billy Donovan and then Billy Donovan looked around and said this place is a fucking dumpster fire I'm out of here so bulls have to hire multiple people now where's he gonna go Billy Donovan maybe Florida Todd Golden goes to the Warriors because Steve Kerr's gonna retire okay go into the Warriors we get carried back to Chicago I did that anyone he's been talking about that Donovan to Florida either way this is a good thing because Michael Reiser of D&A press conference were like we're gonna make sure that no matter who we hire like they know that Billy's the coach and Billy's the most important piece like that's an insane thing to do when you're trying to find a new front office so thank you Billy Donovan for stepping away you saved yourself because it is a dumpster fire and now the bulls actually are forced into doing the correct thing which they still won't nail it but at least they have the process they were forced into a correct process it's nice that part's nice it just happened two months ago you think Billy Donovan's a coach at UNC probably that's that well that was the story that UNC wanted Billy Donovan Billy Donovan said I will not go I will not make a decision till after the season UNC freaked out because the portal was starting was like we can't just not have a coach hired Michael below my cool throw is the Raiders because Clint Kubiak said that he is going to make the players earn their shield so they're not gonna have a shield decal on their helmets until they earn it I love that isn't that awesome I do like it I like it whenever coach does some stupid shit like this Max what is your face what was that face you had is that allowed what do you mean NFL well I mean it's OTA I'm sure they'll have the shield for the actual game but yeah for the first practice you got to earn your shield that's always like a Ohio State thing yeah it's gonna be great all right Zach finishes off my house this week is gonna be one of the ice men we're not talking kill Williams this week we're talking drinking musical musical artists yeah because he decided to drop 10 tons of ice in downtown Toronto and it's kind of turned to a bit of a public safety risk oh there really it was like guys attacking it with Fortnite pickaxes and starting fires and so he split off he put his the date of his next album frozen in the ice I believe that is correct it's supposed to melt in like 46 days but now the people are just taking to the streets thinking oh we can beat the Sun and using anything they can possibly think of to try to break it apart and it's like a little bit of hysteria going on a lot of fires some flamethrowers yeah a couple dudes and spin-off Mr. B's video throwing car keys in there it's absolute man is anybody trying to shoot it yet haven't seen any guns that that's gotta be next right I could see guns escalating from flamethrowers for sure yeah definitely I don't know caliber but definitely some weapons yeah it just looks like I don't know I'm not even really sure we get this much ice but I would like to put him on the hot seat for ruining uh I mean traffic's probably fucked up infrastructure yeah infrastructure's not cool not cool by the way is that you what was exactly got got I could have got got to community noticed that this pickax and flamethrower video is AI oh there's a that one yes I did see some pickax's hammers and flames on uh livestream feeds that are likely to be AI okay Zach by the way you you are a next fan what do you think about fuck they sank all I got to say about the next game last night these guys have off nights teams lose games but the nicks are coming okay Zach Zach it's our one-dimensional I came in today don't fall the way we play perimeter defense on good nights like you guys really are in for it yeah I came in today and me and Zach had a nice chat the balls robusted he took it accordingly and then memes comes in just scowls I mean doesn't say work that's so it's like it's not the it's second second day hello everyone that was so cheery me I said I said hi yeah wait did you say hi or did you say hello everyone hello is that how you typically your customary breathing yeah hello okay Zach you're cool so my cool thing is gonna be a brand-risk promotions because they may be giving us a chance to join us elk pete again oh yeah I was gonna have this as well but under fights that are never gonna happen what is it oh no you don't think it's memory verse Manziel oh but Dana white's now trying to push it they might have it at the apex I don't think that's gonna happen and who is it man's who's a bigger flake out of those two yeah I'd like to opt out if I would watch the fuck out of that fight who shows wins I don't know yeah I don't know who I would take in that situation who's more who needs the money more at that moment yeah they want to put 10k on my memory not showing up already yeah I think Dana white Dana white just hates memory and loves to like troll him yeah yeah because he knows he's not gonna show up just before the fight is even such what's wrong with just not sure because you're not a fighter maybe he's back's broken yeah they're probably talking about this fight they're probably like I want to fight I want to fight I want to fight and then won't hold it won't I hate to say I'll tune in so hard oh I would love that I would I would what does this go back what's the origin story behind these guys hating each other I don't know what they hate other I'm sure they're friends at one point everyone that everyone that is like friends with memory at some point eventually they also are in a public dispute yeah and then he and then they have like a podcast where they're like hey it's actually okay and then they just be again cocaine is probably where I guess yeah some somewhere in that there was not enough or too much at some point yeah yeah that's words were said typically yeah things were said oh have we gotten to the bottom of what's going on with the Alex's no no we don't know how does Alex Cooper's husband got a hit piece written about him yeah well that you think that's connected I don't know it sounds like it might be wow I believe Alex Cooper did drop a tiny video fake airbrush and t-shirt they span the t-shirt around so Wednesday so maybe get some updates oh great it's good I can't I'm I'm holding my breath I can't wait I'm excited they should fight excited I'm just gonna wait so my wife tells me what happened I would like to see that fight bare knuckle box yeah bare knuckles pillows also decent avenue yeah I'm at that okay let's get to our interviews we've got Daniel Jeremiah talking NFL draft and Adam Silver NBA commissioner before we get to Daniel Jeremiah he's brought to you by Reese's remember school lunches as a kid it was times that you scored a Reese's you were basically in kid heaven now you can go back to that same feeling because Reese's is dropping two limited edition cups the return of the Reese's strawberry PB&J and the all new Reese's marshmallow cup I had the marshmallow cup yesterday it is delicious I actually had one today as well back-to-back days smashing the marshmallow cup from Reese's it's so good younger you would have done anything to get one of these luckily adult you can but only for a limited time so grab one before they're gone get yours at Hersheyland.com slash Reese's Daniel Jeremiah is also brought to you by our great friends 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does uh podcast for he does charges radio he's the man and he also has an incredible mock draft ready to go we are in NFL draft week I want to start actually TJ great to have you on with what does the Bengals Giants trade how does that change where you're seeing this draft going now that the Giants have two first round picks in the in two picks in the top ten it gives a well it gives the Giants a lot of flexibility but the uh the other side of it is the Bengals part of it you know like that I was literally I tweeted this out but I was on the phone you know with a GM who's done about as well as anybody's ever done in the draft and we were kind of rolling through the top 10 and just like okay this is kind of where we're thinking this is where this goes this is where that goes and we get to the Bengals like okay what are they looking for well defensive tackle uh corner and then you've got a situation where German McCoy's knee you know I know he ran at the pro day the day but there are some teams that have concerned about the knee we had Mansoor to lean off the board and there's no defensive tackles so we're like the Bengals are kind of screwed here um so then literally like within an hour that trade gets announced so it's kind of laughing about like okay I 100% get it from the Bengals standpoint why they did what they did and then now you're the Giants and the names that I heard coming down the stretch with them were okay if Jeremiah loves there they take him um if not they really liked Jordan Tyson that was kind of their receiver their top receiver the draft they wanted to come away with something to help the quarterback well now you can do one of those picks can help the quarterback now you can you know if you want to take downs or whoever else with the other pick you can figure that out and they're in a situation where if the draft falls like we're thinking you know as we're recording this there's a there's a chance that Reese's there at the fifth pick which is not a need for them and now they're sitting on a lottery ticket which teams like the Saints and the Chiefs uh maybe the Cowboys wanted to come up I don't think they do that in the division but yeah all of a sudden the Giants are now like in kind of a an enviable position to be able to kind of move around a little bit yeah go ahead I was gonna say right now you've got the two teams from from New Jersey with four picks in the first round each team has two um if I were to set over under three and a half picks taken by those two teams in the first round would you take the over or would you say no somebody's going to trade I think that those picks could move around in the first round but I think the Giants and the Jets will both come away with two two picks in the first round um I think there's a chance that they could end up being kind of clustered together you know where I could see the I could see the Giants um you know trade back from five I could see the Jets come up from 16 like if they end up having a bunch of picks obviously the you know the Jets they can pick it too but I think you could see those other three picks kind of you know come off within five or six picks of each other would surprise me yeah like philosophically from you know you were in front offices I always laugh when people like freak out about trading the tenth overall pick for Dexter Lawrence and I get it like you can yeah I think both sides end up winning here but in my mind it's always like hey Dexter Lawrence is an awesome football player but yes he's a little bit older because he's played in the league for seven years but he's still got a lot of good years left he's an awesome football player the tenth pick you don't know if it's gonna be an awesome football player you don't know if you're gonna get Dexter Lawrence yeah the other thing is like correct me if I'm wrong Kalei's Campbell played football last year yeah like 56 years old yeah you look at Ted Washington I mean played forever and Dominic and Sue I think played 13 or 14 years there's only so many guys there that like big and physically gifted that are walking around and they can play forever right you can't you can't move them like that's they're always gonna wake up and be just stronger than everybody that they're playing right so I just to me I I was like he's 28 years old and I'm like am I taking crazy post Kalei's Campbell played last year right like that's crazy to me like this guy can be a very very very good player for a good number of years here yeah are there any other players that you can see maybe maybe some teams have a conversations about trading them I don't want to say like there will be guys that will be traded out have the same impact as him but like other impact players right now that are being shopped around yeah I mean well ironically the one that I'd heard before this went down was that oh keep an eye like Thibodeau like you know that the Saints which is kind of ironic of like they're being a Thibodeau Louisiana and Thibodeau going to the Saints which is how I remembered it it's like trying to study for a Tesla I'm a junior high but that that was one that you heard but now I guess you know I saw her for my been chef or somebody said that's less likely to happen because of the Dexter Lawrence trade but that one that one have been flown around out there the Bernard thing with the Eagles you know it's been hanging around for a long time they just sounds like they just have been able to you know get on the same page there but I would think that still feels like a chance that could happen and then AJ Brown to this to New England is just I mean everybody in the league thought this is you know whether or not it's done or not but the expectation from everybody that I talked to and it's been that way for a while is it he'll be a patriot yeah yeah wait till June and with with Jeremiah Love what's the absolute floor for Jeremiah Love what's the latest he's going to be drafted I think if he you know everybody said seven with Washington I would say seven would be the spot but I'm not necessarily guaranteeing that would be Washington I think if he got to seven either Washington could take him or Washington doesn't have a second round pick they they somebody will come get him and I just keep my I do think you know based off everything we've heard over the last you know 24 48 hours it does feel like the Cardinals are leaning that direction but if somehow he were to get to you know even to like yeah six or seven in the back of my mind I just keep thinking about you know less need and how aggressive that they've been you know throughout their tenure there with him in the bay and I know you know with Kyron Williams a really good player Blake Horms a really solid player like this is not Jeremiah Love like if you're the Rams and you're trying to just get one more these things before Stafford retires and you're in position to be a little bit aggressive and go up and throw up throw in Jeremiah Love which kind of brings back the Todd Gurley years you know they had the two areas at the Gurley era and the Stafford era this would allow them to kind of combine the two and make a run for it yep that's why I'm like if he starts to drift a little bit man my spidey senses would be going off on the Rams that would be a fascinating one because that's just I mean you know that they wants to run the football and like wow yeah I mean the other thing is there's no running backs in this draft yeah one of the teams I talked to this is a worst running back draft in 10 years and last year was just like a million of them there's a million of them but so if you're if you're a team whoever gets Jeremiah Love if you have some you know have some other backs on your team you're gonna be able to pick for form you know like if you want to trade one your veterans there's gonna be a market form because literally like I think the numbers I pulled it up here like in the last um so in the last five years on average there've been 21 running backs get drafted 21 I asked like three or four things three or four different teams how many running backs are on your front board which the front board is your draftable players the highest number I got was eight one of them was six so like there's no backs so if you've got one of these veterans and you know you're one of the teams of luck you have to get Jeremiah Love not only you getting Jeremiah Love you're probably gonna be able to spin off a guy in your roster for a pick yeah I got a question about the front board because that's fascinating is it how many guys are on the front board is it obviously more than can be drafted no it's less it's less it's less so normally in most teams it's 150 to 200 names okay so your front board and you know as you're in the draft from you're looking at the front board that's the guys that you would pick the sideboard is the guys you have listed as they're like free agents for you now a lot of guys on the sideboard are gonna get drafted because of the math but most years because everybody sees these players differently you're gonna get you know not every year but most years all of your picks are gonna come from your 150 players okay we're gonna value them differently than other teams around the week you'll have a couple like you'll be in like the seventh round be like all right we got wiped out our front board is empty let's look over that side board let's take 10 names over there and pump them over here and then and then see if we get one of those and we you stay on the front board no matter like positional need and everything like if there's a hey we need a we need a corner back and we had a corner back on the side board but the front board still has you know a bunch of guys at different positions you stay on the front board usually yeah unless you panic you know unless what happens is I've been in there you know coaches will come in there freaked out like we can't line up and play if we don't get a player and we're like well why are we just drafting somebody to cut them like these guys are any good they don't fit us so you want to take one to take one how about I'll just I'll you know take some of our undrafted free agent bud you can go we'll get the top corner that's not drafted so like when you construct the boards tell me about like what they're made out of do do you print out like laminated pieces of paper do you have is it magnets is it all online now digital now yeah it's all digital now so everybody has digital boards so projection when I was in it like the old person you know we were it was magnets so if I were the if I were the owner I'd make it I'd make an edible board so you finish the draft and then everyone gets together and they eat the board like no no when you pick somebody then you take it off the wall and you have to eat that car yeah yeah we did job well done guys way to go we finished the draft let's all sit down and eat different position groups are made out of different types of food to say I was gonna say I think it's like jelly beans I think you know what it yeah a little bit of spice to dry I would imagine that there's a you know it's a high stakes night nerves can run kind of high but there's got to be some boring parts to draft night if you're working for a team like sometimes you got like an hour and a half until you pick again yeah so there's like a lot of like cookie consumption you know like there's a lot of like there's a little some of the break room and then you'll be in there trying to catch your breath and all of a sudden there'll be a scramble like hey we're trying to trade up get out get back in here yeah so but there's yeah there's a lot of those there's a lot of like I won't use the term bet but there's a lot of yeah like you're you're testing each other's knowledge yeah but it's also like hey who's the first person off the side where to get drafted so everybody kind of picks a horse type thing yeah so you're doing a lot of that stuff kind of like staying engaged and then like a team will be on the clock like who do you think it is like kind of going around the room it'd be just like if you're hanging out with your buddies how many uh you know watch the draft how many mock drafts do you guys do to get ready like full-on simulations so when I the teams that I worked for and now I'm starting to date myself but like because it's been 14 years like we didn't do as much of our own internal mock drafts as much as it was you know okay let's just kind of we're picking 22 let's make sure we're honed in on who our top 22 players are and then this is our you know this is the group of we think our picks gonna come down to one of these seven eight guys so that making sure everybody in the room has watched those seven eight guys because some might have not done so that we can really hone in and discuss those guys and then they would have like the leadership group would get together and have more of a strategy session of like okay these teams are on these positions based off of what we know from talking to people based off of their their top 30 visits based off the pro days that they attended with their decision makers so like an example in this draft would be okay you're picking in the 20s and you want to tackle and you're going okay well we're looking at some of these tackle teams like Detroit has got an obvious bull's eye on because Detroit has done a ton of work on tackles I've talked to the schools with those players and as who's done the most extensive work Detroit's name comes up over and over again so the visits they've had all signs point to them being a tackle team so if you're picking in the 20s it's like okay now let's do the exercise if we wanted to get just in front of Detroit let's have those conversations with those teams and then let's get a gauge of what that market would look like so you know that's why you want to have like use free agency to kind of at least have fillers in there so you don't just have an obvious bull's eye on your back for like all this teams on this position yeah okay I got a question about the quarterbacks this year because we obviously no man does gonna go number one first question is can you rank your top five quarterbacks how you see them and this is your ranking not how you think it's gonna go necessarily yeah how I rank them it's Mendoza 1 then there's a pretty good gap I think I can tell you right now I have it in front of me I have Simpson is my 38 sixth player okay Simpson at 36 I have Carson Beck next at 74 I have Aller at 94 and Nussmeyer at 101 okay there's a I mean I I think there's a good chance we only see one in the first round I think the Cardinals are in a fascinating position of chicken of like I feel like they're the Thai Simpson team I don't think the Jets are doing it I don't think the Steelers are doing it the Rams are the intriguing one they've been connected there but you know if they don't take him at 13 they don't pick up much later in the second round yeah if you're the Cardinals you're like 98% sure you could get him at pick 34 but is the 2% chance enough to scare you in the trade in the back of the first round it taken right and then the the follow-up question was if you could because I like to always contextualize it when it's when we have a draft words maybe not the strongest draft of quarterbacks how would you rank these guys and maybe you just do the Mendoza and Thai Simpson how would you rank them if we went two years back into the 2024 draft so Mendoza would be four Drake Caleb and Jaden yeah I had it I had Caleb Drake Jaden in that order he before okay and then Thai would be below Thai would be he would be below all those guys for me so all those all those I'm all with your panics so okay what about nine Thai Simpson or JJ I would have I mean just off of draft grade I had a higher grade on JJ okay and then what about comparing him to like Cam Ward Thai Simpson Thai and Mendoza yeah I had I had a higher grade on Fernando than on Cam okay so all right so I can see the contacts yeah yeah but I really like Mendoza I think Mendoza's gonna be a really good player and I think the the Raiders are have done the smart thing of how they've they've built it you know they've bring in lender bombs a good move obviously get called Miller back healthy you have cousins there to not only be able to play but he's a good dude and he'll be able to you know to take something from him and watch him learn from him so he doesn't have to get hit right away either and I think you'll see him in this draft they'll get a big receiver to add to the mix I think a lot of guard I think the Raiders are kind of approaching this the right way yeah and have Max Crosby still that's true somehow they woke up with Max Crosby still still in the building yeah with Caleb Downs mentioned a little bit earlier I've heard a lot of stuff about his medical report like maybe some teams are getting a little bit scared away I don't know if that's true or not it's smoke screen season so there's there's a bunch of people that are just out there lying which is pretty cool but I've been I've been a fan of Caleb I like watching him play you get in that conversation whether or not you should draft a safety in the top 10 top 5 for you know how much value you get out of that position but what have you heard about Downs because I do think that he's one of the best players if he's healthy yeah I have not had one team tell me they were worried about the medical okay I think he's good there I don't think that's a problem at all I think it comes down to you know the old the cliché positional value you know we'll see how that shakes out I always tell people you know look I do the charge of games I see I watched Derwin James every game he's played in the NFL and I still can't believe that guy was not a top 10 pick who's you know six three and a half 220 pounds in his cumin missile yeah and then you watch Kyle Hamilton what he does not not a top 10 pick even where he went the second round last year so I think like some people get literally like so offended when you'd say that there's a chance Downs is going to top 10 is like that's like that's insane that crazy and I'm like well we live in this world where all these other guys weren't top 10 picks I think it's it's possible it's entirely possible you can be both a great player in the league somehow under values it so I'm curious to see where he ends up going I feel like for him the the range is like I could see seven I think he makes a lot of sense there in Washington and I would say all the way to 12 like I think those are the bumpers for him I think he goes in that range okay and for the wide receivers who are which are top three wide receiver yeah for me I start right the very top with Tate I'm a big Tate guy like his his contested catch stuff is insane like he's got unbelievable hands now he's not as twitchier as juicy as you know maybe like for a guy you're gonna take in the top 10 but it's a different this is not one of those drafts so to me I'm just like I know exactly what I'm getting with him someone who can get down the field and he just in a contested catch situation he's fantastic so he's my top guy my Kyle Lyman is second for me I know grades are all over the map on him but I just love like the fearlessness of which he plays he's got again great hands he's got small hands which is pretty wild you know he's so strong but he's good after the catch he'll go in there and block if you need to do that like he's just real tough he's instinctive like he's gonna be high volume he'll catch a bazillion balls but the teams are down on like I was an outlier in terms of the size speed you know it might be a slot only so that's where the knocks come on him but he's two for me then three and four I have Omar Cooper Jr who I do love his feistiness and competitiveness and then Tyson four but of that group I think Tyson we I think Tyson's likely to be the first receiver to go when we get to Thursday and I think it'll be the first receiver to come off the board he's super talented real lose real fluid real smooth like he feels brothers in the NBA you can kind of see that type of athleticism I can really jump and make plays down the field but he's not real physical getting off press coverage he's not real consistent you know on those combat catches when he's getting hit and then he's not great after the catch so like to me my kai lemon and Cooper they're both awesome after the catch and then that's kind of their calling card and then with Tate it's just his ability to go up make plays down the field I think it'll be a big time red zone dude now they fixed the 40-yard dash at Ohio State now they made it officially 40 yards have we done a laser distance count on that yet well Penn State was the one that everybody has always said for years that was running downhill that was the one that was even more more egregious there so yeah I have not heard any updates on the Ohio State 40 situation I heard about the downhill slope at Penn State I we that might have even been one of those things that we made up on this podcast and just spoke it to lower that at Ohio State the 40-yard is like 38 and a half 38 and a half yards everybody's a little bit quicker they do have a lot of guys that are going to be at the top of this draft so I mean I feel like where does this draft start for you does this draft started to yeah I think so I mean I I the way it's kind of put to me is like hey I feel you know ninety ninety five percent sure that it's Bailey but I you know don't this long enough that I know that it's not a hundred percent it's not a hundred percent so it feels like it's Bailey it too but when we when you're on the when they're on the clock and we're on the set there like we don't we're not gonna know for sure if that's Bailey or not so I think you could say it starts there and then three just because you know earlier it was tackle like maybe Maui Noah there or trade out you know was part of the discussion there with the Cardinals and then literally just late it's just been like overwhelming everybody talked about they're gonna take love they're gonna take love they're gonna take love and it's part of me's like and it's almost they're almost there's almost too much of this out there like is it are they trying to are they trying to induce a trade they're trying to get somebody to come up for him like I don't know it's a little peculiar that it's just what they want really connected with love through the whole process and then all of a sudden it's just like overwhelmingly out there they're a love team yeah it's gotta be it has to be some sort of trade bait yeah because if you're the Cardinals we talked about this with with Todd McShae like the Cardinals have a million things they need to do and having like an elite running back is not exact that's like me having a 1970 El Camino SS when I don't how to work on cars like it doesn't make any sense at all for them to get a great running back at this point when they have so many other needs it's take one on the Giants yeah yeah I'd say yeah I was gonna use the other car analogy it's like a it's like re upholstering a car with no engine right so I mean it's right yeah it's like when exhibit would put like a pool table in the back of somebody's oopty and they're like that's great but I get carbon monoxide poisoning because there's an open engine gasket that runs directly into the AC yeah I don't know think about cars when I was getting on my head and go on the whole thing but the other thing though is that here's the here's some of the logic is that you're the Cardinals Kyler Murray's gone like your team's not gonna be good next year no matter who you pick like the thought process with where they are and how good that division is like how are you selling tickets to that team like who do you want to what do you want to go why would you want to go to a cardinal game so that's part of the thing is like oh this can be this is ownership pressure maybe this is like hey like at least we can sell love you know so that that was I think that was part of that calculus it's love and then it's tight sensing with your next pick and it's like okay look we've got some shiny new toys at the at these you know marquee positions to go watch yeah where does the draft end who's nobody's ever asked that I know I was thinking about that would be at the ask where's draft start I was like why don't we ask me where it ends well when we've had I think mr irrelevant make over 50 million dollars a year true property does kind of yeah where's the cliff because I actually that was a bad question even though it's I think of an interesting question but you are doing draft coverage so you shouldn't yeah sit here and be like off yeah actually it ends on like pick 15 so you don't have to watch after that no we're the cliffs give me the different cliffs that we can because that is a fascinating part of the draft is when you know the cliff is coming and there's gonna be a lot of teams maybe trying to trade into it okay so I'll give you the to me the biggest cliff in this draft is the tackle cliff and I'll tell you where that where that ends so I think this is going to go late first potentially early second round and I think you'll see some jostling so if you look at it I've got tackle wise I'm not sure from Arizona State is my 31st players he's the seventh tackle okay so you got seven guys and then there's a crunch of them there's 20 22 24 30 31 so that's that's the whole clump of tackles and after that the next one is Tiernan from Northwestern is the 59th player after that it's the 92nd player so you want to tackle and you want somebody that can come in and play next year there's seven guys so if you're you know you can keep an honest when you're watching it like in the 20s late 20s and maybe there's a chance it bleeds into the top of the second round if you go to if we go to bed and six of those seven guys are gone then there'll be somebody's coming up to get the seventh guy like he's he's going because if you don't get him you miss the ride you're off the cliff right do you think the bears could be a team that could be I mean they need tackle I've actually you know there's some people that you're talking around that have connected them to Tiernan so that would be they would be willing to concede that they missed the first ride and they want to be get the first ticket on the on the second ride yeah okay there's our pick there I'm looking right now they are picking 57 yeah so Tiernan's my 59th player they're picking 57 that that marries yeah what um and then is there another cliff that comes after that where there's like a moment where you think hey this is actually gonna be this is a big spot where teams might be moving around yeah I mean we talked about the running backs I think there's two running backs in this draft so you know if love's gonna go top 10 he's gone and then jadarion price you know is he's like a board like for me he's like my what I can tell you it's like my 31st player 30 second player he is my 34th player so and then after that the next running back for me is 79 and then you don't have another one till 117 it's just not a good running back group so if you want something that can come in and take significant carries next year I think it's prices at the end of the line so if you're Seattle and they've let it be known they'd like to trade back you know you don't want to get too cute because I you know I do feel like that could be the that could be their guide next year especially with carbonate coming off the injury yeah where do you have been going in this draft and how much how much stock are we putting in the arm measurements because I know he's got a good wingspan right he's got a wide chest short arms but tiny tiny little like the he's in the 1% of smallest arms for his position yeah dude go into this exercise and as we're recording this I haven't done my final one I got to turn it in tonight and that's when I'm having a hard time like figuring out where to put him you know is it you know Kansas City is an option there I'm like is he then he starts to go beyond that like man he's a he's a tough one man like if if I told you he went 14 of the Ravens that that doesn't totally shock me if he were to go down there but you pair him up he's kind of a nice compliment to what they have in Hendrickson Hendrickson's you know obviously a pass rusher but not the firmest strongest guy in the run game now you get bane who's a warrior against the run you could kick bane in next one and let him rush not a bk's you know injury so you're not getting the interior rush that you'd like there maybe we just solved it there that's good to thought exercise maybe it's maybe it's the Ravens now where he ends up going yeah I mean that feels like the it feels like a Ravens move right to get a great player like they like those types of players do um do put any stock in the fact that his arms are just freakishly small compared to everybody else that's played that position recently yeah I mean it's not nothing um I know the teams there I've talked to teams that aren't concerned about it and I've talked to teams that are extremely concerned about it I think it's like a major problem and the reasoning was interesting because it was like his ability they think when he gets in the NFL the guys are worried about it are like okay you know he's all power power power but then once you're stuck like there's a lot of there's a lot of wins that come in the pass game in the run game with your second move in other words I hit you with my first move it stopped how do I pivot off of that and then either escape in the run game or get you know get around you to get to the quarterback and they're like I don't think this guy it wants to pass once the power is stopped because his length he's not going to be able to escape against bigger you know the better tackles the bigger stronger better tackles in this league he's just not going to be able to get off blocks and then other guys like no no no he's you know he just plays with such leverage and he's just gonna be able to throw guys back into the you know throw him into the ballcare or throw him into the quarterback even if he doesn't free himself he's going to be disruptive just because he's leverage and power but it's yeah I don't I definitely think it's something that's concerning to a day number of teams yeah it's always with these I mean it's just the online discourse kind of falls you know goes crazy but all these traits physical traits and you can tell me if I'm way off but it feels like it's always used as kind of a tiebreaker situation where you're gonna still watch the tape that's going to be what decides your decision it's just that if you're deciding between two people and one guy has you know is shorter or has you know shorter arms or has a bad body or whatever it may be those are gonna be a tiebreaker she is a thousand percent and I think that's where the people get lost in that a little bit it's like it's not he's the best player in the drafter he's undraftable it's just if I've got a clump of three or four players that are very similarly graded you're trying to find tiebreakers anywhere you can find them sometimes it can just be like look this guy's just not coachable you know the other guys are just more coachable they'll fit better in our group that we have even though they're all kind of similar type players so whatever tiebreaker you can find and the traits can end up you know being one of those when it's when it's all said done so I you know I think it's something that you look at but it's not the be all I know another thing I would say is like another example catches howl from a m he's got really really short arms as an edrusher um but like when I'm watching him I went back through my notes I knew he wasn't gonna be long I didn't know it was actually that short they're really short and so then I just go back through my notes I'm like okay where do I have examples of him just getting swallowed up where he can't get off blocks where he's not winning like where did it show up and I'm like I've watched like these four games when I first did him and I don't have anything in here where it was a concern to me so I didn't I didn't give that as much you know credit because I'm like he's got so much juice and speed that he's beaten guys to spots and then his length really wasn't an issue but if you're watching a guy and you're like man I've got some of this stuff littered in my notes and now that's confirmed that he's got a normal short arms like then I think you got to take it a little more seriously yeah so you kind of let the uh you watch the tape first and then you see if the narrative lines up from what the tape says yeah it's the same thing with like I'll this one always I've always struggled with this one is um watching a guard like watching interior offensive lineman and then I'll talk to I've already watched him and I'll talk to scouts and have gone to the school and then like yeah the coach says like the dumbest kid we've ever coached like he can't learn he's gonna be it's gonna be a major problem and I'm like I don't have anything like I watched four games like you would think like he'd be late to pass off and pick up a twist or you'd see like these busts and protection or you see him you know out knowing what he's doing and in question who he's supposed to block when he's going up to the second level like doesn't I have to to rear itself somewhere at some point in time like if he's that dumb and then you know so that then I kind of you know I'm a little cautionary on that uh I was wondering this the like big picture team by team situation after the draft I do like whenever I do a fantasy draft I'm immediately like well I fucking hate my team like I got away from me I don't know what happened you know rounds six through nine but I just lost my mind and all we hear whenever the draft is over is the team's love their draft picks and that's what they got to say publicly is there any is there any draft rooms that you know after this weekend they're like oh fuck we kind of fucked that up like we back in away from us a little bit yeah I would say the way it would be phrases like I've been in there at times like some years everything just falls your way and other years you're like dude we just got picked clean like we just got wiped you know where it's like we're picking like there's been years where you're picking 24 and you're like dude we just got our eighth player with the 24th pick and then there's other years where you're like we're picking 24 how the heck did we get our 23rd we got 23rd guy like literally everybody that we liked in order is gone right we didn't get any of them so like they're and then there's also there's times where you're trying to play the numbers so if I'm picking say I'm picking 32 you're Seattle and like okay there's we like four players like there's four players we have right in our range we like all four of them different positions but like these are the four guys that the Seahawks love like I mean playing the odds here like we just got a trade offer to go back six spots like one of these one of these four guys right and then you trade back and it's just bam bam bam bam you're like oh frick that was we miscalculated on that one yeah okay I would love I wish we could have like true serum for every draft like hey how did it actually go yeah the other thing though is I'm telling you dude like and this was before my time with the Ravens but I know like some of their hall of fame players and hearing stories from the guys back in the day was like it was almost like oh man this the guy we won it's gone like all right well let's take this guy is that being a Hall of Famer yeah have you ever have you ever gotten to the end of a draft and like looked at some other team's drafts and been like wow actually that team really really killed it and then you call it their GM just to say hey good job GG's you really kick our ass on that one so along those lines after that trade was made I sent Duke Tobin with the bangles like this long text and as soon as I sent it I was like that's who doesn't care what I think about this trade like what am I doing and then it was like several hours later hit me with the thumbs up and I was like yeah I was up emoji yeah you really I don't really care what you think about that you know I'm glad you think this made a lot of sense for our roster but wasn't really part of our calculus yeah all right DJ I got one last question for you this is great we love having you on every year it's the Robak question I'll be ACK calm promo code take 20% off your first purchase qzips polo city's joggers shorts roebak.com promo code take I think we actually this every year and I always love like watching the draft later so here's a good one for everyone to keep tuning in for the rest of the draft give us your sleeper on offense and defense that you know it's gonna be a late-round pick but you're like I love this guy I'd stand on the table for this guy if I were in a draft room not to pick him in the first round but yeah when you get to the third fourth fifth round that's a guy that I know can be huge because I love seeing it it's like a Leo meme when they see that guy get picked I'm like oh DJ told me that guy was gonna be good so it feels feels like I know a little bit more about the draft yeah I think that we do I think I'm I done the Notre named detackle went to Seattle last year I think so you got a second Super Bowl yeah I get a second Super Bowl so I'm that's not gonna happen ever again the gosh all right I'll give you a couple I'll give you a couple guys who were non-combine okay they didn't get invited to the combines these guys the chances are these guys are gonna go really late but I thought I put three of them my top 150 I thought we're just good players one is a Cincinnati receiver named Cyrus Allen who's you know he's not the biggest he's just under six foot 183 pounds but he's just a good slot receiver like a really really productive smart he just got a good feel for like he's a type of guy I think he'll go later he'll go on day three and then you'll look up in a night game next year and this guy will be out there he'll make some plays so Cyrus Allen would be one and then it's too defensive lineman there's this kid from Georgia Tech who again non-combine but real real athletic and so I think probably goes in like the fifth round maybe but Jordan Vandenberg is his name he worked out great he ran like 494 you can move him around along the interior he's got some he just got some some ability to penetrate makes a negative plays on the other side of the line scrimmage he's a good player and didn't get invited to combine so that's another one and the last one is an edge rusher I think I do this every year it's like a running joke with me in one of my buddies in the league it's like I just fall in love with some Mac defensive lineman yeah the one of them is gonna end up being good so just pick one out of a hat so Michael Hellman from Central Michigan he had 10 and a half sacks had a really good pro day he's like just under 64 to 68 vertical 40 inches he had a sack in the east west game like everything he every opportunity he got he made the most of but again no no combine and I'm thinking you know maybe the high maybe the high end he could go in the fourth round but you know just certain it's harder now because I mean I a lot of these guys get pulled up to bigger schools but I just feel like there's always a good Mac defensive lineman every year so I'm always trying to find them yeah I mean I hope chips they're usually are yeah so someone that's been the news this week the Georgia wide receiver Zachariah Branch yeah so he went out over the weekend he got arrested for standing on a public sidewalk and not moving far enough when a police officer asked him to move so the teams all have the police report now does this actually hurt his stock I think personally like you can make the argument this guy probably shouldn't have been going out this close the draft if it were me I would just be like okay nobody moved nobody do anything until draft nights that nothing bad can happen to me but it sounds like what was happening was not that bad but I don't know you've talked to the teams you've seen the police report is this going to be something that would affect him and because he's I think projected to be a second or third-round pick right now yeah I wasn't I mean it is not gonna affect him if you were a team that was high on him you're not gonna change your opinion on him I was a little bit just lower on him as a player so you know I think people I don't know if my list has come out I think it comes out today as a record but he was where is I was gonna pull up my list here he is where is he where did he go oh Zach Brandt he was 91 for me so I wasn't as high on him as is everybody else but the it's not gonna impact him I will say I've been in in those rooms where not not something like really serious but maybe something has happened late in the process and I've been in there when they're like oh just to see this guy you know we can't trust him like you know I do this guy and other guys are like oh this is great this guy's gonna follow us this is perfect like I'm glad this thing this got public so the other thing is the other conversation that I've heard over the last couple days is have you guys enjoyed the hands conversation with receivers with Ross where it's it's the debate of whether his hands are hard he has concentration issues yeah there's just the different levels of it I'm like but dude you just justifying your grade whether it's good or bad you know if you got a good great on a guy it's like I mean look guys it's just concentration like he's gonna be fine like we'll just work with that not an issue yeah if you don't have a good great on me like this guy's got freaking feet for hands like there's no there's no way this guy's gonna be able to catch this guy is there a guy coming out that has had hard hands that he gets the NFL he actually gets the hands get softer yeah no I want there's guys that had major drop issues that have been able to overcome them so whether or not that's their hands have been softened up moisturize I don't know but they have there have been guys who've been able to improve in that area I you know but it's just always a fascinating discussion because it always just is directly connected to what your greatest yeah yeah all right DJ you're the best appreciate everyone network draft shell we we can't thank you enough 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what let's start with that NBA playoffs there's nothing better is there is this like when the NBA playoffs start you get a little extra pep in your step you're like all right finally we're here with a long season and now we get to play some really like truly meaningful basketball I do as you said I mean I think for the players to we just they take it to another level there's no question about it I was I began the playoffs in Cleveland on Saturday and just the energy in the building I think you know things change the t-shirts come out the fanfare you know different acts come out at halftime I mean it's just it's a great experience it's definitely favorite part of my job is going to those games I you know New York obviously tough loss for the Knicks last night but I live in the New York market so even at a tough Nick game I live in an apartment building and you can hear it from the other apartments yeah you're watching it you hear the roar sort of the crowd you hear the disappointment people are out on the streets so I know it's it's fantastic and the quality of the competition you know it's been spectacular yeah that you know you have some one eight matchups whatever else I mean that that you know where you know that when terms of where teams are seated and so there's expectations but you know the guys are good to go and it's a long regular season and I think that the anticipation leading up to the playoffs and then where you know it's every game is so meaningful and guys want to still be on the floor in June it's it's it's fun to watch and I think also we recognize from a fan standpoint that there are a group of casual fans who you can see by the numbers in the ratings don't pay as much attention to the regular season at least don't watch as many live games but then come to the set when the playoffs so you just you there's just a lift all around the league yeah by the way I think you confirmed this maybe at the start of the season but I just want to double confirm right now the NBA Finals we will have the Larry O'Brien decal on the court no no more decal well we're painting it on that's fine we had the decals the decals were slippery the guys didn't like those we then started putting them on virtually through all this technology and then the people in the arena said we where's the branding yes final fanfare so now we're back to old school painting perfect logos on the floor they're safe they're there that's a big believer in that the NBA Finals should feel special yeah because what we said on our show when it happened last year we're like when you watch back a clip of an NBA Finals game from the 90s or the early 2000s you're like oh that's special because you can see it right there and so not having it there it just take a little out of it so I think that's the right move and we're excited to have it back yeah you know I'll add I even think we should be creating more fanfare around those games I mean for example the NBA Cup games I know you've commented on it the floor is the colored floors yes you know the idea there but those cup games is that as we were flipping through the channels in the regular season they would stand out because you'd see something visually was happening differently what I didn't anticipate is for the players they say the same thing it's like they come out they're like all right it's a couple night yeah court and I think you know maybe taking a page from you watch the Champions League like they have their own anthem they have their own music their own fanfare I just think with there's so much attention now you know focused on these big events and obviously that NFL does a spectacular job with the Super Bowl like I think there's more we can do and in fact we'll have an announcement coming soon we we engaged a well-known composer you know to be thinking about tracks designed for League and so just in the same way I learned from the players and the fans are the same way that when they come out on a cup game it's a special floor when you get into the you know conference finals and finals there should be special music that comes on you know and I know that I as a fan and also it's interesting the players are like fans in certain ways like they respond to all the sort of accoutrements the trappings of big events too yeah I would like I would love an opportunity if you're hiring people out to do music maybe this podcast just the opportunity to to compose a theme song for the NBA Cup let's go and you know you probably have listeners by way I don't want to jump over the fact that you've now advanced to Netflix since I was last on yeah you're a big streaming guy you like the streaming so I figured now that you're on Netflix you can't complain to me about our streaming packages not about Netflix yeah you've got us tied up on that one but yeah I mean we will listen we wrote the theme song for for Thursday night football yeah back in 2016 they called them yeah they didn't we didn't use it they use it for the games we wrote one yeah yeah we just but we'd be happy to do one for the cup yeah no I'm serious I mean like I feel like music has historically been such a big part of the NBA right you know I think the whole hip-hop movement in a way was you know correlated directly to sort of the rise of the league there's always been a musical side to it I think more of an association in other sports where there's certain genres of music you say that's the NBA basketball I think we haven't done enough with it and I think there should be identifiers sort of even you know on Netflix I won't do the sound I'll let you guys do it but like when you when you open the app it's the sound the Netflix sound yeah zoom right you know should be like a sound like when an NBA highlight comes on there should be a sound that signifies the beginning of the game because people like obviously respond well to those those different sonic sort of you know markers you know that that that are indicative you know that and I think they were bigger sort of in the past like don't don't like NBC always had and then we brought the John Tesh music back and I was working at the NBC this year so anyway I think there's more and also you know more in terms of uniforms too like uniforms signify in the same way for the cup uniforms you know some of it like manufacturing lead times and all that we got to figure that out but I just think that all those you know trappings of big events there's just more we can do around those things on that same line can we can we be a little bit regressive about some things and say let's not do the weird alternate jerseys during the playoffs yeah all right well we'll look into it I will say you know fans love them I mean it's partly in response to the fans like it used to be you remember my early days in the league you only wore white at home right and then you had these colorful uniforms that they wore on the road and that was I remember that was really important to David Stern it was that identifier you know so you instantly knew who the home team you know where the game was taking place he's like all right it's the goals they're wearing their home uniform but then people wanted to see those away uniforms at home and so then sort of that tradition went by the wayside and so that's okay I would be like speaking from from the fan perspective I think most people be fine if you were your your road jerseys at home sometimes and you brought that color into your home arena but when we do like a weird third colors that have nothing to do with you know the primary colors of a team there's not a place for that I just don't think that it's the playoffs a fair point all right we'll look into that yeah all right so this year how would you grade the job that you've done as commissioner good question like if you were to say what your goals were going to this year and what you've hit and maybe what you've come short on how would you grade yourself look I you know I'm a tough grader on myself on everyone I mean that my view is no matter what it happened this season I always feel we could do a better job I could do a better job especially in hindsight obviously you know first and foremost tanking you know this is completely gotten away from the league this year I mean it's interesting because that lottery has changed I think essentially five times now so arguably there's less incentive under the current formation you know and odds of the lottery there should have been less incentive in any time in our prior history to tank but yet because of modern analytics whether you know interestingly enough I always have to remind people I mean unfortunately tanking is a strategy not to lose but to win it's just a win over a longer period of time but I think where we ended up this year where you know make up make the number you know 18's 19's 10 teams whatever which was essentially racing to the bottom you know again in a desire to win not to lose was not acceptable and you know what exactly we could have done about it in hindsight you know we're about to make significant changes and we have a already scheduled a board meeting of our owners for late May there's a few different proposals that are still floating around exactly how to change it but arguably we should have made the change a year ago or longer before we ended up in the position we are so ultimately that's my responsibility so you know that that's that's something we're focused on there's other things you know this season I mean I think we can always do a better job marketing you know I'm a big believer in marketing my prior jobs before I was deputy commissioner here was at NBA Entertainment and I think it's even just talking about things around music and uniforms and you know how to do a better job telling stories we have new partners this year I'm thrilled with them you know Disney ABC has been a partner for a long time and I think they're really good at telling stories around the game it's great to have added NBC and Peacock you know Amazon Prime is doing a wonderful job but I think it's it's more competitive than ever before I mean people just like honestly the fact that you guys are now on Netflix that podcasts have moved to video this we all have unlimited options now for our leisure time for any discretionary time we have and I think as a result the NBA and all entertainment forms have to step up their game just recognize that you know just going Netflix alone is seemingly are unlimited options but then there's so many other apps and there's YouTube and there's video games and so you know particularly we've talked about in the regular season before I mean that's why we added the cup tournaments why we added the play in you know I on the other hand I mean we're just coming off a season where we've had the highest viewership in 24 years so well there's definitely issues for us to focus on you know people love NBA basketball and they just they not only love the live games they love the fact that there's shows like yours they're talking about the NBA you know they podcasts you know social media I mean it's a huge global marketplace for people who want to follow the league so I think for the league office I recognize all those different points of view are gonna be represented but we also have to focus on storytelling engagement bringing fans you know to the set at the end of the day like all those things for me are in support of getting people to watch live games that's really what our business is and the arena is interestingly enough the last three years I've been the three highest attended three highest years in attendance in the history of the league so people love being in the arenas our teams have really stepped it up you know in response to all the competition the food's gotten better you know the entertainment's gotten better you know you know that the arenas themselves have been upgraded so so people like that experience of coming together live entertainment especially with all the people are talking about in terms of artificial intelligence that you'll maybe have more leisure time you know more things are done virtually people are isolated more so they love coming together and in a forum coming together is watching a show like yours it connects people to the world so I just like for me back to your question like as I grade myself it's like all right things are moving so quickly how do I both try to help lead the league but also take all these great resources we have all these great owners in the league or innovators in their own right and bring this all to bear just sort of it's a rising tide and we just like keep elevating this league are you ready for some tanking ideas we can help you with that yeah now before we do that though can we just agree this is a safe space there's a no there's no bad ideas policy remember where the guys who brought you the every player gets a fight one fan a year which you didn't totally turn down you're kind of you know I think you saw I think you might have brought it back to someone be like hey look into the analytics this but are you ready for it you want us to fix tanking please okay PFT you have one oh yeah I got one right here for you so if you're more than 20 games below 500 at any time the owner of that team has to give a press conference after every single game and has to face the media it's a lot of math yeah well well let me ask if you if your record is 45 and 55 are you 10 games below 500 are you five that you're asking me yeah well you're so 45 and 55 and 45 games season so it's a true question but but I hear you I look I think keep going I think the issue is that in a way now for our owners many of them have engaged directly with the meeting their fans on tanking and honestly you could argue they're being rewarded for it that this is now a strategy that they're encouraged by their fans to undertake and in fact I've had a conversation with other owners who are upset because they're out there trying to win every game right they don't have a top draft pick they're sort of in the middle of the pack or just sort of just barely making the playoffs and their fans are saying what are you doing you're in the worst possible place you should either be really good or really bad yeah believe me I will say one of the things that's changed in this league I mean think about it even from an economic standpoint what these teams are sacrificing in order just to win longer term I mean that's what like taking again it's a strategy to win not to lose and historically a lot of teams weren't willing to put themselves through that and for whatever reason I think it's a broader societal societal issue sort of sort of this winner take all notion you know it's like you're only satisfied if you win it's not the path to winning it's just winning and and again if you sit in my chair you look out the league there's only going to be one champion every year so it's a horrible strategy league wide yeah yeah in technician in tanking there's only one first pick one second pick and even if you have a deep draft maybe there's three or four transformational players but if a lot of teams are engaging in that strategy there's also going to be a lot of disappointed teams and fans yeah so alright so my idea is it's it's probably a little more extreme than what PFT but it said but it's it's all along the same lines because I'm thinking about it in the way of this is that there's some owners that are willing to tank there's also owners that are maybe don't want to invest in their team and they're happy to just collect paychecks and make money I think it's our league and I it'd be tough to name an owner right now in this league that's just satisfied to collect a check okay on the same line this is not about taking can you make the Blazers do t-shirts games three and four that's bullshit they got to have t-shirts well I only say like I some spokesperson I just read it for the blazer said it's not t-shirts but they have some other giveaway you know that I know where you're going with Tom Donner so like people are starting to say he's not really willing to spend money remember this is a guy who just won a bidding war called four and a half billion dollars to buy a team and they're calling him cheap it just can't be like I think the hurricanes are you know I'm not following the NHL every night but are they they're up to another series yeah yeah oh he knows what he's doing and I think like his mindset and I'm just getting to know him but I don't think it has as much to do with the cost of the t-shirts or wherever he's saving money it's a mindset on how to run a business it's a scrappy approach to like I think focusing on details making people feel everything matters so again like it's the idea that this guy paid one of the highest prices for a professional sports team in history is being called cheap makes absolutely no sense to me this guy's a winner he's won and everything he's ever been involved in so let's give him an opportunity well the t-shirts would help a lot but all right so back to tanking I do think though that if you're looking for another product to sell to have people tuned in to have people excited about the NBA are you familiar at all with Mr. Beast in the Beast games absolutely okay he's done so perfect so we're ready to go every team that is in the lottery the owners of those teams have to then compete in the Beast games for the number one pick well we'll have to talk to Mr.
Beast about that again like we'll do it all the way to a good business you know a lot of it is based on you know social media getting that kind of engagement yeah sure what the audience will be to see some of these owners I the other idea was just that we do I don't know if you've seen Dana White slap league but have the owners do a slap league for the I saw that I'm like whoa yeah that'd be pretty cool though if the owners are just cracking each other in the face to get the number one pick when I saw slap league I just glad that this is a non-violence sport also you could just have everyone everyone all the owners that sport yeah it is it's no it's it's absolutely the most popular sport in America yeah in terms of five second clip yeah you could have you can also have every owner stand in the middle center court in the circle and last one to leave gets the number one pick yeah all right how about this like if we were to go back never know bad ideas right no bad idea we're just gonna fall along the same lines with like if we're using last year's players as the example we put Cooper flag in the middle of an arena and then every owner can put their hand on Cooper flag and then the last guy that has his hand on Cooper flag gets a draft it's a pretty good idea you know you know big cat I know you're down on Duke you know but no I'm not down on Duke I hate them I had a question about that but it was you really all right yeah you guy like I don't want to subject Cooper to nonsense like that I know there's no bad ideas but next I had a trick question that was coming up that was gonna basically be like is there any existential threat to the NBA that college kids are getting paid so much money like Braylon was maybe a lottery pick you decide to stay and if you don't remember Braylon moans he hit that shot against Duke yeah yeah yeah so it's not an existential threat at all it's interesting what's happening college sports of anything it's actually positive because some of the players who are being lured out of college for it for it so clearly we're back college basketball who are not gonna be top draftics were being otherwise convinced that they were then they weren't getting drafted or they were getting drafted at the end of the second round they weren't making rosters and then they had lost their eligibility and then they were going to Europe or wherever else to play like it's much better for us that the guys who aren't ready to come into the NBA you know stay and compete at a high level in college so and what you're also seeing now with with so-called NIL you know I'm not sure that money is all really name and slackness but guys are being paid that sure you noticed in the NCAA tournament how many more international names yeah for sure whole thing so you now have you know a group of players who otherwise would have stayed in Europe you know but can make more money you know who say in Europe to play professionally but can make more money in college and there in many cases getting better development and more eyes on them you know from NBA scouts and teams so I use that as you know a ramp onto you know level of NBA competition right now I mean just look at these playoffs look around the league I mean you have you know that oh you know LeBron obviously still playing incredible level 41 you know you know some of the all-time greats still out on the floor but like this whole new generation of players coming into the league many of them international that's what's really feeling the league right now is this this incredible talent that these young players have yeah it's true I have another suggestion to fix tanking hypothetically if you're going into like a draft lottery system like we have in place that in theory should reward it seems to finish with the worst records at the end of the year you've got all the teams kind of buying competing to make sure that they get the best odds that they can at the end of every year which is by definition that's tanking and that's what the issue is one way to dissuade teams from doing that would be if you were to rig the lottery and a team that only has a 1.8% chance of winning the lottery gets the number one overall pick then every other team might be like wow maybe tanking actually isn't the right thing to do yeah have you given any thought to that I have and I don't want to go to jail okay I don't want to commit a felony okay so I would never rig the draft lottery and my predecessor they've never rigged the draft lottery although there were many as you guys know rumors stories around the frozen envelope that it's I commit it's entirely on the level it's audited you know every year by fancy accounting firms like it's and that there's video what happens in the room so I would never engage anything like that what about if we just found a guy who could commit the felony for you we could find you a guy in our office no problem you're from Chicago it sounds like yeah we have we have Zach we have a lot of guys we actually to your credit like we went yet last year and saw the whole setup incredible yeah it was it's it would be impossible to rig it I will say that like we saw with our own two eyes for people who say it's rigged we watched we didn't watch the actual polling but there's journalists in there but we saw the whole system and it's a it we didn't understand it we made no sense because it was too many numbers but it is it is quite a system we have your back on that it is like let's round 1.8 to 2% all right so the team with the best odds in our current system has a 14% chance and that was how to 2% chance so I get it you know 2% 2% 14% but it's not like when people hear lottery they make it seem like something that was one in like the mega million or 100 million no it's it's 2% and what things happen you know and 14% things happen so but having said all that this will be the last year of the draft lottery under this current system okay we're gonna do some tweaking this off season I like I like that a lot the other when the bulls decide to actually take yeah appreciate that so much Adam there's been a lot of talk also about you know the arbitrary benchmark that you put into place or the league put in place not putting this on you but to to be eligible for yeah the 65 games to be able to win a postseason award or to be able to win an end of the year award so an idea I had for that is what if you had every arena instead doing the 65 game the point is you want players the stars to play every arena across the NBA has an updated leaderboard of perfect attendance players in the NBA right and so then if you make it to the end of the season and if you're on the perfect attendance board then you get to choose which pictures the NBA uses when they put you up on Instagram you get to manicure that for yourself control your brand make sure that you're looking good in all of them all right interesting idea I just to defend the league for a second on the 65 games it wasn't quite arbitrary I mean so that's 80% of games in the season and that was collectively bargain with the player association again it's zero sum there's gonna be same number of players who are all NBA there's gonna be a defensive player here MVP etc and the feeling was as we sat down with the players that we needed our stars to be on the floor and that that was a you know based on average number of games missed historically for injuries or whatever else that that was a fair benchmark and you know with this exceptional language and so we made two exceptions this year of guys who you know two guys who missed it by a game but I would just say what what gets lost in an argument I've heard people say they don't like that cutoff is that any place you put the line obviously somebody's gonna fall on the other side of it but before we put in this new 65 game rule roughly one third of all NBA players we're not playing 65 games and so it's it's working from that standpoint I mean art could it be tweaked I don't know I'm just saying that you know that we're also a business and we don't we there's an expectation from our fans that our stars are gonna play in games and this lastly like injuries are a huge problem this week but we put pretty much put load management in the rearview mirror like not people still throw around that term but that's not really an issue in the league right now the genuine issue was injuries and how in the world we're gonna solve that maybe you know AI will help detect you know that movements that lead injuries and things like that but that's the single biggest issue that I worry about because it's seemingly out of our control I feel like tanking we will fix it you know we will find a way to address it and we fix it and we should be held responsible for that injuries are confounding yeah the I had a question a more serious question about I'm sure you saw there was a lot of headlines LeBron's comments about Memphis and then talk about potentially moving a team to Nashville is that on the table at all or is that just people just kind of running with something you know I well first of all players I talked to all the time like like playing in Memphis I've never heard that issue of players not wanting to be in Memphis so number one number two you know the owner of Memphis Grizzlies guy named Robert Para has no interest in moving the team out of Memphis he's made that clear you know I think like obviously Nashville is a city on the rise there's incredible things happening there you know if or up to me I'd love for them to play a few games a year in Nashville and sort of be Tennessee's team the extent they can but you know Memphis has been a great market historically for the NBA is you know amazing history in that city amazing culture you know and it's a big country you know and so as I look out you know at our 30 teams we want teams to be able to do well everywhere we have a revenue sharing system etc but yeah from my standpoint there's no reason why Memphis Grizzlies can't be successful yeah and the other two markets that we hear about a lot of Las Vegas and Seattle I personally would like to see Seattle get a team first I feel like the Sonics they were a great franchise they got moved out of the city not because they had a disinterested population was more towards the side of I would say greed from ownership that took them out of that city but I feel like the people of Seattle have been waiting and they deserve a team like it's a good market for basketball have you given any thought like if you had your preference are we looking at doing two teams at once two new teams or is it going to be a rollout where we go one expansion team followed a couple years later by another so we announced you know just about a month ago that we were looking at expansion and in particular those two markets Seattle and Las Vegas is sort of left and open whether we would go you know for new teams in both markets or one market or frankly you know no expansion at all if that's not what made sense at the end of the analysis I will say still early days but enormous interest in both those markets you know as you said I could have longer discussion I don't think we left because of greed of owners I think there was an issue at the time they needed a new arena it didn't work out and the team ended up getting moved I will debate that but I you know do think you know we should you know Seattle historically was a great market for many years when I early days I was in the league we were in Seattle they you know the Seattle Storm or WNBA team does fantastically well they're you know probably top five things people ask me about sort of this jobs I travel everywhere is when you gonna bring us on expect to Seattle like you know I think it's part of the DNA of that market so you know I hope is we get back there at some point but we're going through the process now and Las Vegas just seemingly has an insatiable appetite for entertainment and sports you know NHL is doing great there NFL is baseball is announced they're going there again we have WNBA team in Las Vegas the bases have done really fantastically well so as I said a lot of interest in that market we're in process of looking at that too yeah can I make one request I know I saw that you said that you're looking into European leagues that would be now with those be part of the NBA no not not initially so what we're looking into is a separate league in Europe I mean basketball is the number two sport in Europe after soccer enormous interest there are a lot of different pro leagues country by country and then there's something called the Europe they have a broader European yeah that sort of covers top clubs you know from from around Europe it's gonna call the yearly so what we're looking to do is see if there's an opportunity to create a new a new league maybe comprised of some of those existing clubs and some new clubs it would be separate from the NBA I would say over time you know could some of those teams potentially compete like a cup tournament that we have you know maybe years and years from now you could imagine when you know supersonic jets come back you could see some of those teams may be competing in our playoffs or you know match ups between top US you know US teams and European teams or US and Canada so all that's on the table but I think right now we're seeing a lot of interest in that people love basketball in Europe like is you know we talked about earlier some you know you know Luca you know Joker or Wendy etc some of our very best players are European and I think it's a real opportunity you know for you know not NBA right now but maybe almost like a once-and-forever opportunity to think about you could own a Paris team you know that's NBA style basketball London Madrid etc so that's something okay just don't don't make us watch sports at weird times that's all our only request you know I'm so glad you said that because that's the issue for the Europeans right now because like they're also sleep deprived the NBA fans because they got to set their alarm for three four o'clock in the morning watch this game so the whole idea here you know we can have weekend games you know that are on you know in the afternoon primetime in Europe but we also want to have primetime basketball yeah it's coming from from the continent or European fans yeah okay well uh Mr. Commissioner this has been awesome I have one last question we love having you on a row back question our H.O.P.A.C.K. calm 20% off your first purchase Qsips polos hoodies joggers shorts a row back calm promo code take my last question is this is a weird one well it's not weird but whenever there's a burner situation on Twitter do you are you like hey someone else handle this I'm not doing this I'm not looking at this I don't want to I don't want to pay attention to this I would hope that it's below like you you have some guy who's be like chief like burner on Twitter guy who can handle that stuff so there's a guy named Mike Bass in the league office he's had a communication so he's he's all over that but but in all seriousness we look at stuff what guys are posting you know in some cases if it comes to our attention it's a league person who's posting something under another name we're looking at that as well but there's this enormous social media community around the NBA I mean some people because we're global sport some people have estimated that there are two billion people a planet of eight billion who are engaged in the NBA or its players in some way through social media so you're gonna see just about everything out there you know burner accounts you know all kinds of content anything that's imaginable as I said it's like it's just part of the community of being a fan these days you know it's not a substitute for going to a greener watching a live game but no different than you know being engaged with you guys it's a way that people you know can you know manifest their fandom so yeah yeah I'm not like looking at every I have to mean I look at social media but I try not to get consumed by it yeah do you have a technology guy where he can look it up in like 15 seconds be like yep that belongs to KD yeah we have our ways yeah I'm sure you do well commissioner thank you so much really appreciate it we're excited for the NBA playoffs we're be tuning in every night talking about it and always appreciate you coming on yeah thank you both guys on chicks is brought to you by what not the number one live shopping app in the US it's NFL draft week in honor of it we're chasing one of the most overlooked rap picks of all time the goat Tom Brady Tom Brady's working cards one most iconic sports cards of all time is Brady the greatest traffic of all time definitely would you say PFT the best traffic of all time of all time no I would say that the New England Patriots screwed up because if they knew 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you yeah thank you I appreciate that my husband and I have been temporary living with my parents were new houses being built not to brag my husband was fully laundry like a good boy and not only put a pair of my mom's panties on his head in a joking way I mean he was rocking in like a full-backs helmet and salivating right ahead on the linebacker okay look at the same how do I fix this it's funny it's I don't know dude I don't know I'll play with with girl underwear get over I play with that shit you never get I get a every now and then like I'll put on a pair of pants and then I'll be like that that felt weird and there's just like rolled up girl underwear in there no what the fuck is like the one girl pants no laundry like if you're putting on yoga bands and then they'll be stuck in like the like the girl on where you get stuck everywhere in your pants yes you got you got girl underwear that gets stuck my life's underwear stuck inside my pant in your pants yeah is she where you're laundry dude no it's in the leg dude I was really like this is a related picture that's about to come out a big cat wearing a thong and I don't you're setting this up you guys you never had that we're just like what the fuck why is there like I don't know the boxers it's sticks to laundry yeah I've done with thank you Max why don't you speak up dude I'm getting roasted over here I'm still I'm still with shock I fucking defend me man but that's all the time yeah it does it's all it's just sticks to random shit sweatshirts to inside of sweatshirts it'll be stuck I've gone like ours wearing pants that have a stray sock they're still in the legs that I didn't realize and then I'll be walking around it's falling out that's happening but no I've never never put on a pair of pants that has women's underwear in it's not in the pants it's so small women's underwear so fucking small it is small it's weird I don't want to stop Bella's that's a good point I get a good point I'm not a question is a statement to sort of never something to make fun of actually quite a normal thing especially for a flight just like justice for Max it's kind of why we leaned into it yeah exactly being the craziest part was the two so it's not one but two absolutely insane shoes so does and the media music when you're home over that part is crazy burrito farts yeah I don't know if that ever happened yeah I mean now you gotta ask right yeah I just want to say though in Max's defense Max had the probably the biggest cause to dance on graves to high step to spike a football and Max has been very restrained the last few weeks Max doesn't like he was just like drama it was very uncomfortable with drama a lot of people out there like Max this is your time to be like yeah I would say more of the latter yeah breaking moves by the way breaking moves the story that no one asked for that we discussed in length earlier Pickensburg has stepped away from Twitter he's taking retirement from from from Twitter wait he's taking a retirement he said away from Twitter thank you everyone and then he also released a notes app after my actions last night in PPG paint paints arena after my confrontation with icy vert I do not regret anything in my pressing of him I want to be clear I'll be walking away from the beef to channel my energy into a different realm this is actually was like I'm not owned to stop saying I'm owned well I'm just walking away wait so he released a statement saying that he's not backing down from anything and he's not upset no update to the to the retirement oh no puts it a little bit then he also there was also a height measurement I saw that yeah another again not being owned I mean advanced sports yeah I mean advanced posted a video of his height where he is wearing shoes and a hat that says that he's over six feet tall wait the hat is not even firmly on his head that is honestly and you also can't see if his issues are huge you can see a lot of loose fabric at the top of the hat yeah that is not snug to the soul that's at least two inches now all right so he's taking a sabbatical yeah he's retiring from Twitter this is this is what happened at the end of season two of the pit it's the exact same thing in Pittsburgh this guy's gonna go off in a motorcycle not wear helmet you probably actually will wear helmets it could be six feet tall yeah I have another update about that big cat okay this is something that maybe we can take a look at together somebody took the time to do a full transcript oh the confrontation so do you want to be pickensburg or do you want to be pickensburg okay I'll be icvert and you want to do it as a scarface or not sure okay I said I see live what's up man you got to leave the kids alone okay trans kids bro you can't tell kids to turn trans bro you had a hockey game talking about politics huh or you had a hockey game talking about politics bro you just can't talk about trans kids you can't let kids turns trans you guys are losing to nothing get the fuck out of here why did you avoid our boxing match serious I'm serious honest truth I'm not even trying to like press you I'm just curious one I can't box to I have a broken spine so I couldn't box but one broken spine yeah it's like a birthday fact no it's scoliosis ah gotcha I'm not even I'm not even trying to be that guy or anything but it's just like you have a big platform no I know I know you're that guy that comes to hockey game to talk about politics it's kind of fucking weird I'm not even talking about politics I'm not talking about red or blue no but you did you came in talking about it all right I just need to do this I just needed to know yeah you did a great job very proud of you very impressed what a confrontation it's so funny it's my favorite Twitter it also I didn't do justice because I see our pickets were also had to clarify afterwards that people owning me because I'm a little cold in a hockey game and my voice gets distorted because people were saying his voice cracked and he was well he was saying it was stuttering yeah he says cold in there hmm Kyle right now also got involved yeah that's good perfect what you say I was hoping to hear from him never okay to force trains on kids call these perfects I whenever shame them okay so he's he's on a pickensburg side yeah he takes pickensburg side and then there was actually one line that got left out here at the end after I see vert or icy lip said no yeah you did great job very proud of you very impressed then pickensburg said nice to meet you bro oh nice so like who pressed who it's it's crazy he also then pickensburg like went on to the streets of Pittsburgh just screaming that he like won the press off it was uh is my favorite story what was the score of the hockey game and this happens to nothing that's right it says right in the transcript this is the behavior of somebody who's losing a hockey game this this confrontation would never have happened if the penguins were up to nothing it's just you got at some point if you're at a hockey game your team's losing you got to figure out your own internal storyline to make this night not about losing hockey yeah and then also pickensburg's tweeted a picture from across the stadium from the arena being like dude is dude is like as looking at Twitter he's like he's pressed and everyone pointed out that like hey hey dude you're you're on their your phone taking a picture of this dude and then you circle you're not yeah I see live not even watching the game now bros distraught you're also not watching the game this guy's taking pictures circling and then posting it online how many five crying emojis best be ever I feel like this is actually like a way like we're getting back to the good old days like this is the shit that you this is why you go on this hell site for a guy to to press have his voice distorted because of the cold what's cold and his defense his voice gets fucked up when it's cold yeah okay uh last one tell that okay perfect good update for the yeah I got one more yeah one more my fiance's having his bachelor party to golfers or an isolated location in the middle of Washington state game will say ends near Brewster I know how sometimes the bachelor parties at wild and vile things can happen with strippers and drugs do you think you would have the energy of our take these activities if he's playing 36 holes for two straight days plus another 18 prior to departure what would hang to a few single in the situation no location he's gonna be tired it's the location the Washington state like if he's in Scottsdale yeah that's one thing but I think when you're that you know remote unless there's a strip club within 10 minutes and or like club or something yeah you don't worry about your he'll be chilling yeah he's chilling actually you don't have to check in on you play 36 holes a golf on a guy's trip it's like you you just want to play good golf you don't even drink yeah it's 36 holes and it's over the course of a couple days 36 and 18 36 19 yeah I mean he's probably not even gonna look at another girl yeah you got this though what's the name of sound of the the question uh gamble sands is the course gamble sands near Brewster it looks like a great golf course all right boys numbers time has anyone gotten this yeah Meme's did right nope I'm the one who's gotten this means when you get it I got it on the first day nope you got it you got the lottery nope you didn't I it came up nope what do you say like that cuz you know you didn't get all I got it you didn't win it yeah you didn't win it I'm the only one who's one I'd love to welcome someone else to the crew so please boys let's let's pick some good numbers 77 50s level five what did you say max I don't like you took 77 why you want 77 now I'll switch it's you right now nope 38 24 change trip we're gonna go 70 50 means what you guys 66 mmm close to 77 you want to do one more no we should do one more also 56 yes equidistance uh-huh nope no wait it's late it's late it's just a one more just a one that took me way too long to pound in my head all right same numbers two ready one and one no all right happy birthday to well first of all in the 21st happy birthday to I don't know Jim Tony Roma and happy birthday as the show's come out to Marshall Lynch and dear friend of the program Duncan Robinson hmm recurring guests nice also a happy birthday to Sam Altman just just stop doing everything you're doing no one likes you mm-hmm love you guys anyone else names