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Here are impressions. Mondays, music, minibus. Mimi, mimi, mimi, mimi. Tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny.
Mimi, mimi, mimi, tiny, tiny. Monday or Tuesday. I like this thing. You like it?
Topo Chico. Tangerine. Oh, that's what it is. Ginger extract.
I felt a little extra. Yeah, a little thing. Yeah, there's a zing in there. I was like, why do I feel like I just had sushi and...
Oh, it's such an intro. Topo Chico is now owned by the Coca-Cola Company. Maybe it always has been. Mm-hmm.
Three percent Jews. Guess who's going on to, uh, tomorrow? In Barlow. It's not Adele.
No. Adele is... Adele is staying home with Izzy. Yeah.
I'm going to hang out here in Greenfield, Massachusetts. Running around, camp, drop off, pick up. Summering in a small town. Summering in a small town.
Summering in a small town. Summering in a small town. Where a city. Officially a city.
Smallish city. Very small city. The college is now a university. Which college?
Which college? Westfield State College where I grew up in Westfield. Uh-huh. It's now Westfield University.
Oh. Don't know why. What's the def? Don't know.
I don't know either. I'm sure it has something to do with numbers. College and university. I always thought those two were like interchangeable, but maybe not.
Don't think they are. How about, I'm not going to worry about it right now. How about, I'm not going to worry about it. That one's low on my priority list.
I'm not going to want to think about that. I'm thinking more about the heat and the sun and the swimming play date that I have coming up this afternoon. Always a source of low level anxiety for you. Yeah.
I mean, it's, yeah. Not that easy. Can swim in the deep end. She won't stop.
So. She just won't stop. Yeah. Tossing those rings down to the bottom.
Diving in. Getting them. Retrieving them. Gimme yah.
Your tiny Tuesday. Or if I finish it, adding in it. Today. It will be Monday.
John's on his way. John Davis is on his way. He's in a route right now. Is he?
Is he driving? Well, he's in Boston. Oh, he came from Boston. I thought he was coming from New York.
I believe he's hanging with his, his sister right now. Oh, okay. So then yeah, he maybe has left yet. I believe he's hanging with his sister.
Hi. Hi. You had quite a little adventure this weekend. You were such a silly goose and you brought the wrong paperwork type thing to the airport.
I took my passport card to the airport in Newark, which is, by the way, four hours away. Yeah, that's a different state. That's where we have to live in New Jersey. I'm going to drive all the way down there to fly out because it's so much cheaper.
And Newark has direct flights around the North America and the world for that matter too. My ancestors settled Newark, Newark, Newark. On your mom's side? On my mom's side.
New York, New Jersey. Wow. They settled it. You have deep roots in Jersey.
I'm deeply American. Wow, you're just like Springsteen and Peetorn. I don't have an American flagster. I don't have an American flagster on my guitar, but I am American.
Oh. Deep. Deep. 1600 shit.
Wow. I think. Of course, I'm not really known for my grasp of facts. And I'm also not known for my grasp of details as evidenced.
Like grabbing the wrong. I was like, I'm going to take this passport card. I'm so smart. And you know, I think you did feel almost like a little bit like, look at me.
I have this other object. Other people don't really have it, but I have it. I got the card and the book. Right.
I'm so smart. Look at me. Before I went, I'm just going to make sure this works. So I flipped it over and I just saw, you know, good for travel to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean.
What I didn't look at was just below it. The following line. It's the same line. Just below it.
There's really no excuse. It says, not good for international air travel. You were flying to Canada. I knew that.
I thought the card would work. And the gate agent told me, she looked at me almost, this isn't going to work. And she almost backed up, like ready for me to go, what the fuck? You know, like, but I just went, I went, I went, just docile.
I was like, okay. And that would be my fault. And I looked at the guys, I looked at the guys, we were all assembled around the counter. I'm like, guess I'm not going to Canada with you guys.
But then I had to figure out how to like get my passport down there. And I had. You made it, you made it to Canada. I made it to Canada the next day.
But boy, I think I, I had to get up at 3 a.m. To go to. And then you had to stay in a hotel in New Jersey. Oh my gosh.
I was in the hotel in New Jersey. I'm like, oh God. Oh, you were so hungry. You were like, where do I go eat?
And yeah. Our friend to the band. Yes, Ian. Ian St.
George, who is? I wanted to point this out. Yeah. Ian St.
George, his name sounds like he's in spinal tap. Oh. Ian St. George.
Don't you think so? Nigel Tuffnell in St. It sounds like he's in spinal tap. I don't know.
But it sounds like he's a good old man. He's a he's a he's a he pulled through for us. A young man from Western Massachusetts born in bread. Huge music fan.
Yeah. He drove down. He gave me my passport and he and I had a wonderful dinner together. Fantastic.
We just chit chatted about music. We really bonded over the Brown Acid series. Oh. Which is a compilation of obscure, private pressing hard rock from the late 60s and 70s.
Fantastic. That sounds like a. Oh, I love it so much. And he loves it as much as I do.
We were actually swapping notes on specific songs, which is super fun. Oh, oh. I don't do it enough. I don't do it enough.
I don't do it enough. I was going to say is there a, you know, this is literally bro. This is a lot of money. You can't watch porn.
This is the next best thing, right? It's like, you can't watch porn. Yeah. When porn is not available, you're like, Hey, where's a bro where I can talk music?
I really, really need to watch music. I'm not saying watching porn together. I'm saying just doing something. I used to talk.
I used to talk about porn with other men back when I was in my twenties. It was fun. I mean, we didn't want to go. I had a circle jerk or anything, but we were just talking about porn.
It was just somehow like part of the wallpaper of any sort of hipster apartment. Sure. I know. The same thing happened when I was in my late teens, early twenties.
It was almost like something people did. I was like, Oh, there's a novelty back then. Yeah, we're adults now. No one can stop us and we're going to put this VHS in and watch this crazy thing.
And it's like, yeah, there was almost no sex. There's no sex. We would sit around like drinking Sprite and like, look at Ron Jeremy as if it was whatever. It was crazy.
But yeah, so anyway, I'm just saying that like, I think that men love getting into like the nitty gritty. Yeah, I rarely do it. You know, I really don't. I mean, and when I hang out with dinosaur junior, it's like, they really honest to God.
All they want to do is talk about like the rolling stones. Yeah. And drummers and drums and drums and I don't and none of them. None of my friends, my brothers, my musical brothers and my bands have the love, the deep love of obscure garage rock, hard rock, you know, like bands that nobody knows about.
Yeah. And there's been a recent uncovering of all of these hard rock bands from the late 60s and early 70s, these and stuff, some of the stuff is so awful. It's amazing. And some of it is so amazing.
Yeah. It's like shockingly good. And you know, these are all bands that it's much like the 60s music that I love the garage rock. I have a lot of compilations.
I have a lot of them. But my new thing now is just listening, just going through and listening to like hundreds of these songs from this one particular compilation called Brown Acid. Look it up. If anybody, if you like, if you want to hear a bunch of teenagers from fucking, I don't know, Iowa, like someone- Where is this compilation available?
It's on Spotify. It's on Spotify. It's all on Spotify, hundreds of songs. I swear to God, if you want to hear a bunch of teenagers trying to be deep purple in 1972, that's where you go.
And like, I like to hear people trying to, I almost like people trying to be these classic rock bands rather than hearing the classic rock bands again. I want to hear- That's very interesting. I want to hear. I want to hear the missteps, I want to hear the bizarre recordings, I want to hear the mistakes, I want to hear these moments of absolute perfection and beauty that did occur.
I'm sure. Nobody knows about it. Anyway. The magical moments.
I didn't believe it. I didn't believe it. Well, Ian should be on the podcast. You guys can just do a special Brown acid episode where you just talk about your favorite.
Ian St. George, not a member of Spinal Tap. Just a kid named Ian St. Just a local girl.
Just a local hero who brought him a fucking passport. Thank you, Ian. And Newark. Oh, thank you.
Oh, my God. But when I handed her the card and she was like, this doesn't work. I feel like I entered a stupid world after that. Like I was just like, I'm a stupid guy.
And then I was like, how am I? And then I got a hotel. I'm like, how do I get to the hotel? And I literally was like, I couldn't understand any signs that I saw.
I had no idea. And I'm like, I mean, there was a way to get to the hotel for free, but I couldn't fucking figure that out. And that was good reason because Newark is actually, although it's a fine thing when you get inside the airport, when you finally make it to the airport, it's actually quite, it's quite sophisticated. They've really revamped the whole airport.
But still on the outside, it's quite confusing. So in the morning, at 3am, I had to figure out how to get to the fucking terminal. I got up at 3am, I'm like, OK, my flight's at 6am. I have plenty of time.
But first, I had to wait for the shuttle because it had just left. So I had to wait a half an hour for the shuttle. I had to sit in a fucking hotel lobby at like 3am. It's an hour shuttle.
It was 30am in the morning in Newark. And the funny thing too is the terminal was literally within a stone's throw. I could almost see it, but for the parking garage that was obscured it. But had I been able to walk, it would have been a seven minute walk.
But instead, it was a hotel shuttle ride that then deposited us at the air train. And I'm like, OK, the air train is definitely, what do you think this? Listen, the air train, you're like, oh, that'll take me to the terminal, right? Sorry, I have a sip.
I don't know. And the answer is, of course, you think that it would go to the terminal. You think it would go snug right into the terminal like, fam, there you are. What?
What didn't? The point is it didn't. It's an old train. They built it in the 1970s.
It's like a monorail at Disneyland. Sure. So I got to the, I don't even think I told you this. I got to the, then they delivered me to the air train, then I got on the air train.
And then the air train is like broken or something. So it can only go to stop. It can only go to terminal B. So when you get to terminal B and they had people, there was no instructions anywhere.
That's the other thing. The signage was like lacking. Wow. So I finally, so I get on the air train and then, OK, so I finally make it two train rides to get to terminal A, quote unquote.
So I get out of there and like, we get out of the train and walk down some stairs. I'm like, OK, going to the terminal, I walk out and I'm outside. I'm like, where's the terminal? And then there was like a sign that had like a little walking man that said, you know, 12 minutes.
So I'm like, if you start walking, it's 12 minutes that way or wait for the bus. So then I got a bus to the terminal. But I didn't make it to the terminal. Guys, you had quite a little adventure there.
I got my ticket. You know, I'm got my ticket. I'm like, OK, I'm cool because I really didn't want to miss this show. Yeah.
And it would be all my fault for missing. And I have yet to do this. I've yet to like miss a dinosaur show this way where it's like, all my fucking fault. Good job.
These shows are important. Yeah, these shows are important. Like we were playing the Calgary stampede. We were playing this huge rodeo fair thing in Calgary.
Which you said is really old, right? And the 100 years old. It's a huge institution. When we got there, it was amazing to find out where we were.
Wow, what a weird privilege that was to be at the Calgary stampede. Anyway, so I finally get through. I go to security. I handle one of my tickets.
She goes, now don't freak out. But you're supposed to be in terminal A. And I'm like, yeah, or you're supposed to be in terminal C. You have my ticket set terminal A.
You're like, well, but don't worry. Just go through here. Still go through security. You're not going to have to go through security again.
But when you get downstairs, find Starbucks and right across from there. You're going to find another shuttle. So I did it. I got on the shuttle.
It was really easy. It was there. It was waiting for me. I didn't have to wait for it.
I got onto it. I mean, all the way across, like another 10, 15 minute bus ride to get to terminal C, which is where the flight was leaving. And I got on the flight and everything was fine. You played and you played the stampede.
And I played the stampede. Along with solace island. Along with solace island. Wonderful Minneapolis band.
And before we played, they played this just endless playlist of the most not obscure because these songs were hits, but songs you have not heard. You talking about solace island play them? No. The venue.
The venue played like deep, like not deep cuts. 90s deep cuts. I'm talking about shit that was like huge hits. Like stone temple pilots, better than Ezra, Marcy's playground.
All this like, whoa. All of it actually, I have to say, boy Nirvana had quite an influence on popular music in the 90s. You don't say. But I know this stuff like literally sounded just like Nirvana.
Every hook of every fucking song sounded like Nirvana, except for the gin blossoms. My beloved gin blossom. I heard several gin blossom songs and every time they happened and then Jay started singing along to gin blossoms too. I'm like, that's right.
Gin blossoms. Oh my God. I'm not going to call them a guilty favorite, but I'm going to say, I like. They're just a favorite.
They are. They were not. They did not sound like Nirvana. No.
No. They sounded like a really great jangly power pop band. Yes. And I love the guy's voice.
You're not so big fond of it. Yeah. I got a song. My favorite.
But I also want to say shout out to Bill Sullivan if you ever hears this episode. Yeah. TM, tour manager, right? For Sala Sala.
Old friend of mine from Minneapolis used to run a very cool bar called the 400 bar. The 400 bar was the kind of the bomb. It was a smaller club, but I said that I played there many times. You saw Elliot Smith there.
Not a lot of times. You still have like the tickets for your Elliot Smith. I think I might. I saw a cat power there.
That's the first time I saw her. But that's when my show with her where I think it was for Moonpicks. I can't remember. And she had her back to us the whole time and was in the corner.
And I was like, Oh no, she okay. And then I also saw the white stripes. Since he got out, these keep happening. Cape Fear, a new series, he's now streaming on Apple TV.
Live when I want to hurt you. The last starring Academy Award winner Javier Bardem. Live and Academy Award nominee Indiana Jones. He's coming after my family.
Cape Fear, now streaming on Apple TV. Subscription acquired for Apple TV. Before they were like, I saw them at the very beginning. Before they blew up before anything.
Because they were on a band like a label showcase that my friends were playing on who were Minneapolis musicians. Who are? Rock, rock, label. Yes, I don't remember.
I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't know. Anyway, I would like to correct myself with something before you play.
And that is just that. And if you're hearing beeping, like occasionally popping in, just settle down everyone. It's my computer. It's notifications.
So I'm so professional. I tried to tell her to shut off all notifications. And every time that notification happens, I'm like, we're moving on. It's going to be okay.
But I don't know how to shut off. So I would like to say that I don't want to, and I love generalizing, and I do it all often. But I don't want to totally generalize saying that only men talk in detail about songs and get like rabidly excited about it. I do think there is like a bit of a bro culture with it.
I've experienced it. I will say, plenty of my friends who are not men, we do enjoy sharing songs with each other via text that we like. You know, it'll just be like, have you heard this? I really like it.
You know, so we do have like our own exchange about music as well, where we share it and we talk about it, especially Liz and I. She and I like to send each other. Was there a song that she shared? She just shared one recently, which was a sound that just came up on the computer.
No. But she shared a cool song about, I think it's called like rooftop dancing. And it had this really cool video of people on rooftops in Brooklyn. So why is that?
But you said you had to say something. Oh, I'm saying because I said this is like a real men thing. Oh. But I was thinking about it.
And I'm like, maybe that's not really a fair thing. You're backing down a bit on your generalization. I'm backing down because I think a lot of women would raise their hand the 10% that listened to this podcast versus a 75% male. I've looked at the numbers, but that's 85.
Anyway, whatever, the percentage of women that are listening, I'm not trying to say you don't listen to music and enjoy swapping stories about it as well. But anyway, who cares? Whatever. So this was supposed to be for you avid Ron Pruscians followers.
This was supposed to be bake sale part four. Oh, right. It's not going to happen. We're not doing that.
Don't act like it's never going to happen. It's not happening now. It's not happening right now. In fact, just not just like this, right now.
We are actually going to have an informative conversation regarding the LP. Yes, yes. Ex ex. Yes.
Fact. Not just us, like flying off the handle and talking about Carlos Santana, f mouth fetishes, correct. We are actually going to speak directly to the album. And I'm going to describe specific events and the albums making.
It's historical Ken Burns documentary about people like to listen to that one is going to be what people to listen to podcast for, which is informative, like the information. So, not this, this, not this is what we do. Not off the cuff. not freeform.
It's gonna be a real tight. I do love our freeform podcast, but I'm excited for that one. So don't worry everyone, bake cell part four will be coming, but it might be in a couple weeks because Lewis did do a two-week full-completion tour. Anyway, we're just saying just it's all gonna happen, but right now instead we're gonna do something else.
So we were gonna just almost, I think we were considering bailing on many music Monday, Tiny Tunes Tuesday all together. Well, I was feeling worried because you seem fragile. I was fragile. I am fragile.
I'm the day before, I'm the day before tour agitated. Right. My palms are sweating right now. John Davis is driving here right now.
We're gonna play a boatload of songs that I haven't played. You're gonna be like ever in front of us. Setting up in our living room for the day. I'm gonna go swim.
You're gonna set up in the living room and then you leave tomorrow to go to Kingston. So yeah, it's a lot. So, but you said, can you play clouded age? Yeah, I just recently re-listened to that song.
And then I thought that's a good idea because in the bake sale series, I played I played rebound. I started it off with rebound and then last week I played a song called Together Alone. And I didn't make this point during the episode, but rebound and together alone are like bookends. Right of the story.
Like of a rebound relationship. I had I broke up with a longtime girlfriend and then hooked up with another wonderful woman. But we ended up breaking up. And together alone is kind of when I sort of realized that the relationship was ending.
So it went from the beginning of the relationship with rebound to the end of the relationship with Together Alone. And when you mentioned clouded age, my first thought was I need to play the song Holding Back the Year. Because Holding Back the Year and Clouded Age are part of the story. Another book ended story.
Yes. So I've got a few things. I'm gonna act like I'm playing a solo show right now and hopefully calm down a little bit. Because my heart.
Wanna have some more Tobo Chico? A little sip? Yep. So anyway, Holding Back the Year is named after a simply red song called Holding Back the Year.
Oh. Do you know that song from age with Fantak? I loved it too. That song is wonderful.
But what I never understood about that song was what the hell it was about. No, wait. So we have talked about this. Guys, if we've already done this in the podcast, let me know.
We're gonna do it again anyway today. But this whole conversation is very familiar to me. Well, you've heard me play that song a bunch of times live shows. So maybe it's just from that?
Yeah. Maybe it is. Yeah. But it's not, you know, who fucking cares?
That's right. Do it again. It's ours. It's free form, baby.
Free form. We've been doing this for over a year. So it's, you know, we're bound to repeat ourselves. And I already have.
I've already repeated myself a lot. Let's do it. Let's repeat some more. So anyway, Holding Back the Year is named after the simply red song.
It's kind of a tribute to it. Because I never understood what that meant in the context of the song, Holding Back the Year. So I wrote my own song called Holding Back the Year. Because I wanted to make my own meaning of the term.
And that term being like, I had been through a very difficult time in a relationship. And then the, and then it sort of calmed down. And the, the idea was that the relationship calmed down. Things became calm and normal again from being very turbulent because I was holding back the memories of what had caused all of the trauma.
So I wrote the song about overcoming this trauma and then it being, because I held back the experiences. Which, and I did that song and I always liked it. And I thought it was like, you know, beginning and end to itself. Like, but then when that relationship did actually come to an end, I had been working on a riff and an idea for a song for like years, years.
And that song became clouded age. But I realized during some of the very long nights of the pandemic that that song, yet to be finished song, kind of like the wrong pressure and steam actually. It's been living in my head for a long time. But during the pandemic, I decided that I needed to finish this song.
And I realized that it had to be an answer to holding back the year and the end of the story that I had started. Because holding back the year was not an end actually. Because it's like, you can't hold back experiences. You can do it.
You can do it for your, for the purpose of moving forward. You can, you can, we all repress. I mean, repressing things has been a big, you know, it's been a big part of my life. And I think it's very effective.
And it's like, in some ways, repressing things, you repress them, you repress them, and then they go away. Which is certainly the case with keeping a lot of my bands together and a lot of experiences I've had with that, that kind of like letting things move forward and progress and heal themselves is a legitimate thing. But when it comes to something like a very deep relationship, you do have to, you do have to take stock of that. And it will come back.
Because it's so those experiences in your heart, the things you experience with your heart that are deep in you and that are really based in your emotions and your self-worth, all of those things, those things do have to really be resolved. You have to look them in the mirror and face them. You have to face them because they will find a way out. Yes.
Because the, the games of the heart are very volatile. It's a very volatile thing. And so, you and I had been together for quite a while when the pandemic hit. But I felt, I was like, I had this song that I had been in my head for decades at this point.
And that had really started to take root in my mind during this previous relationship. So I realized that I needed to finish the song and I needed to make it be the end of the holding back the year little duo songs. So I'm going to try to play both of these. Yeah.
And I'd like to make note, I'm going to say right now, that I'm also, I'm warming up my voice and kind of practicing for the shows coming up. So, what I'm practicing right now is being very nervous. I'm practicing being nervous. I'm practicing psyching myself out.
So I will be doing that as I perform these songs. So I may, I may fuck up. Yeah. Even though I woke up this morning, I played both of these songs back to back flawlessly when I woke up without any, but somehow.
Well, the cameras on. Your audience is here, you know, whenever you love my life is sitting here across from me staring at me as I play this. And some of the little nervous folks and shaking a little bit. Don't be nervous.
You know what? Or be nervous and work through it. Exactly. Yeah.
Because I have to work, I have to quit those nerves with the baseball band. Like I gotcha. I gotcha. Yeah.
All right. So, I see you nerves. I'm going to start with the song holding back the era, which was from email, which was sort of my, at least in my mind, my comeback record in 2005. That's when I kind of got, I kind of got back on my feet in 2005.
And, you know, okay. Rolling from your brats on. Cast a guy. A California tier double.
Maybe you were cold. That's what it was. Holding my fear. A year before the poison tickets tore.
A major paper thin near and cold. Eventually I finally, I grabbed you by the arm. I played it on your hand. But rolling down the window won't tie.
Or to rub some breakfast. If I can't hold me back, roll me in your arms. With my two, the story ends with friends and friends. Ground, cat and no more fights.
Listen to how we stay together. Holding back, holding back. Feel. Holding back, roll me in your arms.
Need it through one. Made it through one. All right. That was a little froggy creeping up my throat.
I heard that. I went through extensive throat clearing before, but I think the conversation we're having starts turning me up. Yeah. Games of the heart.
Not the game, the life, the reality. And then clouded agent from reason to live. Clouded agent is from reason to live. So this is holding back your part too.
The consequence of clouded agent. A chemical cocktail to temper the rage. On the horizon, sun at the water. I thought I was drowning.
You couldn't be bothered. Well are you afraid of the light? Thing to hide in high. With all life.
Left you hungry. And I followed you down. With my arms. Open three four.
Yeah I will. The duty I'm born for. The beauty of aging. But you didn't ask for.
All you were taken. Mother disorder. I told other pages. I had to start over.
It had to make faces. Well are you afraid of the light? Thing to hide in high. If I gotta tell you I'm sorry.
The heart went down. When you wouldn't follow the story. Though I laid it all out. Watching the sunset I knew I wouldn't stay.
Come disaster. Come on bring change I need. But what ever after. And what.
You did it. If I play those when I play this live sometimes like I kind of tears me up a little bit. Tears me up a little bit. Same spelling.
D.A.R. Fears tears. But I did it. I actually got through it.
It's hard for me to play those riffs when I'm when I feel when I put myself on the spot. But it's I'm putting myself on the spot to practice. But the wonderful thing about the folk and plug in is that it's two of us on the spot. And John is a really you know it's like we have a kind of generous relationship with each other.
So I think that will it'll be nice to share being on the spot with somebody together and playing all those songs that we wrote together. Many of which are more like these collaborations between the two of us. And although a lot of those songs are very emotional and actually written from this time period that I'm singing of with this actually it's very one part lullaby in particular is a very very attached to this sort of era that I'm singing of in these two songs. I feel like I made it.
You made it. So we're gonna. You made it.