Hello Roy here, I just wanted to let you know that you can listen to the Roy Green Show ad-free on Amazon music included with Prime. Social media is such a prevalent part in young people's lives and how people socialize and interact with each other and keep in contact and build relationships with each other. And with such like a clear cut ban, I believe that it will only create a generation of young people who will be more technologically literate in order to achieve these effects. We should take it upon ourselves to regulate our own personal social media usage rather than being forced off of it.
An Australian teenager talking about the fact that her country is making it illegal for anyone under the age of 16 to participate on social media. In France, it's actually 15 years of age. Now one of those two countries, and I forget which one is which, but one of them will allow somebody younger than 16 to engage on social media if apparent or guardian approves and the other country will not. It's just the rules, it's just the way it is.
And I saw and heard a number of Australian kids who had been interviewed about this, and their point was, yeah, it can be very bad for us. It's something we'll have to do, but it can be very bad for us. And they had a very interesting and I don't want to just abuse the word mature, but they had a very mature position and view of the situation. We're going to get into the issuing all because it's tied together, bullying and cyberbullying.
Because cyberbullying of course is online and it does go happen through social media and it's on the rise in this country. And so I read just the other day are the incidents of suicide ideation and committing suicide among the young who are being bullied, but not exclusively the young. If you've ever been bullied in your life, you're having a response right now. And I know this because of the programming that we've aired.
I know this because I've heard from adults who said I was bullied as a child and something that stayed with me. I remember adults calling and saying my whole career, my life was retarded. And I mean that in the sense it was slowed down. It never reached its potential because of the way I was bullied.
I had a police officer calling from Regina on one of our programs. And he said, well, I'm a big tough cop. But I'm being so bullied by one of my superiors on the police force that I am retiring early. And I'm forfeiting a percentage of my pension by doing so because I don't want to be bullied any longer.
And there was another young man called in from Saskatchewan and he'd been a bully. And he thought he'd actually caused the death of a child in his school. He had bullied. We'll talk more about that in the next half hour when I take your calls on bullying.
It's a huge issue. But cyberbullying is massive. It's going worse. There was a study done a number of years ago in England.
And they found that I think it was 25% of students who were being cyberbullied were potential suicide victims. Potential. So it's something that we need to be fully aware of. Jason Carey joins his PhD.
He's the manager of clinical services, clinical service operations for the kids' health phone. Jason, thank you very much for taking the time. Thank you for having me. Have I overstated anything?
No, no, you haven't. Bullying is a growing trend. And just to give you an idea, today's youth are in trouble. Today's youth are in crisis like you've spoken about with social media.
But CHP has the highest number of annual transactions in the organization's history at 4.7 million interactions. And a lot of those happen to be rooted in instances of bullying. You said 4.7 million. Is that in a year?
Or how long period of time are we talking about? Jason? Oh, I'm sorry. You cut out there for a moment.
Okay. Are we talking, when you say 4.7 million interaction with kids' health line? Is that in a 12-month period or a longer period of time? What are we talking about?
This would be on an annual basis. So on a year by your basis. Wow. 4.7 million.
Is there a common denominator story that you heard? Is there a common denominator in these instances? Is bullying stories? Well, I mean, a lot of issues do arise.
We hear a lot more about cyberbullying. So you've spoken about this. So a lot of issues are stemming from the cyberbullying world of social media. And this is becoming more and more of an instance for people, for young people.
Tell us how, I don't want to use word typical. Tell us how an incident of cyberbullying may present itself and unfold. Well, I mean, young people by nature love to interact with one another. They're very social beings.
In fact, humans are very social beings. So with that, I mean, young people, they go to school, they have their cell phones, they have their iPads, laptops. So they're constantly interacting with each other. And with social media, it's 24-7.
There's no off switch for social media. So when instances of bullying do occur through social media, it's a 24-7 situation that follows that young person everywhere that they go. And the impact from cyberbullying is more impactful because it's always there. It's constant.
It's present. And it's hard to switch off. Yeah. So there's one thing, it's one thing to be in school and be bullied while you're in the school ground.
Or in the classroom. But home is no longer an escape, is it? I mean, you can be tracked easily. Your social media contacts, your email, you can be tracked, you're texting.
You can be bullied 24-7. Yeah, Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, there's probably some other social media platforms that kids go on. Even gaming. When kids are gaming, whether it's through Xbox or PlayStation or just online, there's ability to chat with other people as well.
So even in that, when kids are trying to escape and distract themselves, there's that element as well that will still follow them. So there's links everywhere that these young people are getting attacked from. And so it's very, very hard to escape. And with regards to cyberbullying and how it connects to thoughts of suicide or even young people dying by suicide or even self-arming, suicide is the second leading cause of death for youth in Canada, which is the third highest rate of developed countries.
So that speaks volumes of the impact that this is having. First of all, Jason, can we get the phone number, please, for kids to call? What is the phone number? Sure, our phone number is 1-800-668-6868, and that's 24-7-365.
1-800-668-68? 6-800-6868, 1-800-6868, 6-800-6868, and it's 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Yeah, we never close. What do you do with the kids help line?
If a child calls you and it's late in the evening and they've been bullied, cyberbullied. And they don't know what to do, they don't know what to do. What can you do for them? How do you approach it?
Well, the first thing that we can do is really give them time and space to share what they need to share. Often times when a young person is being bullied and lots of things are happening for them. It's usually been going on for quite some time that they've tried to deal with it on their own and it's a pretty tough thing. So we give them time and space and give them an opportunity to share what they need to share, what they feel comfortable sharing, and really just allowing them to find their own voice.
Often times in incidences of bullying, voices get lost. They get lost because nobody's listening to them, nobody's taking them seriously. Maybe they don't have the right kind of support. Maybe they just choose to keep it quiet because they know they're not going to be heard.
So they just, they feel that they just don't have the voice, they don't have the power to say anything or do anything. So we allow them that time and space and sort of allow them to feel their feelings out loud through words and through whatever way makes them feel comfortable. Do you ever advise them because the basic advice when I was a kid and a child got bullied, the basic advice at home will punch the bully in the mouth and it'll keep the bully off you and it'll keep the rest of the bullies away from you. Is that sound advice?
Is it advice you ever offer or is that? No, that's not advice that we offer up. I mean bullying has changed over the years. High school yard bullying as they say would be back in the day, very straightforward, right?
You'd have to be the school yard fights. But there was no social media then. There were no other avenues. It was very, if I can use the term one dimensional.
So much, although very impactful still, there were different ways to deal with it then. But now, many, many years into the future, we have people who have access to avenues to people all the time. So what do they do when they when they when they when they cyber bully? What would happen typically to a to a young person or not necessarily a young person, but I guess everybody's vulnerable to cyber bullying.
What's the sort of let's talk about kids for a second. What sort of thing happens when they start to become victims of cyber bullying? Well, I mean, a lot of a lot of this happens could be on Facebook, could be on Instagram, could be Snapchat, young people put pictures of themselves up on a lot of these social media sites, especially Instagram, and you'll find individuals connecting and somehow getting their way into their accounts and seeing pictures and same thing with Facebook. People like to post pictures on Facebook of themselves or their friends or events that they've been at.
So all it takes is one person to make a comment in the comment section that may be derogatory or that may be insulting in some way. And we know that it doesn't take much to start chipping away at somebody's self-worth. And when you're in such a public environment as social media, it's a very, very slippery slope at that point. It starts to spiral very quickly.
People start to pile on other people. You have the you have the effect of nobody wants to step in, but everybody will it's easier to do to pile on than it is to step in and say what's happening here is wrong. Do you have any doubt that there are people listening to us now, whether it's younger people or whether it's adults, younger people who are maybe being bullied now or adults who were bullied when they were younger, and I'm focusing on younger bullying. Do you have any doubt that there's people listening right now were identifying exactly with what's being said and they know because they were bullies being bullied or are being bullied.
Any doubt that there are people like that listening right now? I believe that there are people who are listening right now that are on both sides of the fence. They're bullies and and and in bullied. So I think there goes, you know, those who bully are generally or have been or are being bullied somewhere else in their life.
So we have to look at the bigger picture when it comes to that as well. And we look at we look at the behaviors that are happening. So I believe that there are both that are potentially listening to the show. Say something to the bullies.
You know, it's being a bully doesn't make you a bad person. It's it's a behavior. It's a behavior. We focus on the behaviors just because somebody is doing something right.
We we look at, you know, when we're raising a child and they do something bad or mischievous or they, whatever they do. Doesn't make your child a bad child. It just makes that what they're doing is not necessarily perhaps the healthiest to the best. Perhaps it's hurting somebody else or themselves.
So this is where the education comes in and giving them time and space to try to understand what's going on for them. And oftentimes if we can look at it from a perspective of, you know, just because somebody's lashing out and bullying others. There's a reason behind that. There's always a reason behind that.
So we have to look at that and go, you know what, if there's something happening and you're feeling the need to lash out at others because you're angry or frustrated. You know, come talk to us. It's okay. This is a safe place to come and talk to somebody.
There's no judgment. Jason, thank you very much for the time. Thanks for joining us today. Appreciate it.
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