Ocean's Twelve • The Next Reel

"I mean Danny, it was one job that we did together so I don’t know where this whole, like, proprietary stance comes from. It seems a little possessive." The script for Ocean’s Twelve had a bit of a circuitous route to get to where it ended up. George Nolfi had sold his script entitled “Honor Among Thieves” to Warner Bros., but instead of making his film, the studio executives decided that his script would make for a great foundation to Soderbergh’s successful remake of the classic Rat Pack film Ocean’s 11. Nolfi rewrote it many times to shape the script, and ended up having to modify it many times afterward due to cast schedules and the like. What finally got made created quite a lot of complaints as it didn’t feel like it stood at the same level as Ocean’s Eleven. But is it that bad? Or just different and not what people were expecting? Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our coverage of the Ocean’s series with Steven Soderbergh’s 2004 film Ocean’s Twelve. We talk about why the film works and why it doesn’t, notably in comparison with the first film. And we have quite differing opinions on this. We look at how the story is structured and ponder if it would be stronger if there was more of Catherine Zeta-Jones’ character earlier on in the story outside of the opening. We look at the complexities and convolutions of the plot and the heists, wondering if it was all really necessary to make a cohesive story or if it benefits from being so complex. And we marvel at the prowess with which Soderbergh films his stories as DP. He’s a fantastic filmmaker who make a largely contentious film that still has a lot of good going for it (and is still a fun-to-watch Soderbergh film at the end of the day). So check it out then tune in to this week’s show! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins. Film SundriesWatch this film: iTunes • Amazon • Netflix • YouTubeScript TranscriptOriginal theatrical trailerOriginal poster artworkFlickchartLetterboxdSupport The Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Become a member for just $5/month or $55/yearJoin our Discord community of movie loversThe Next Reel Family of Film Podcasts:Cinema Scope: Bridging Genres, Subgenres, and MovementsThe Film BoardMovies We LikeThe Next Reel Film PodcastSitting in the DarkConnect With Us:Main Site: WebMovie Platforms: Letterboxd | FlickchartSocial Media: Facebook | Instagram | Threads | Bluesky | YouTube | PinterestYour Hosts: Andy | PeteShop & Stream:Merch Store: Apparel, stickers, mugs & moreWatch Page: Buy/rent films we've discussedOriginals: Source material from our episodesSpecial offers: Letterboxd Pro/Patron discount | Audible