Offroading

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening to wherever you are. You're listening to the All Talk Car Podcast. Tonight I've got a little with me, good day Hal. Good day everyone.

And we've got special guests tonight, Joe Kanpezi. Hey Peter, how are you? And if you recognise that for which Joe was with me in America, when we did our American specials. Yes we were.

All those weeks ago, have you said, go back. Was Joe pushing the mobility squad up? No. Everybody would be mind pushing the mobility squad up.

But Joe got to go. We all rotated and had turns on the scooter with people over the doors. But today we're going to be talking about four driving and you know why I'm really interested in this topic? Because I had the Suzuki Vittara out and I think I didn't use it enough for four driving.

No, I remember your younger days and you did four-wheel drive. I don't know whether or not it was in cars but I'd see your story with that. We were crossing where to North Sydney for a night out with the boys and three of us. We were driving back across the Harbour Bridge and if you travel from North Sydney to Sydney, there's a toll one way and the highways divided into two and there's a toll on one side and a toll on the other on the other side of the bridge.

So what I did was went on the free side, jumped the median strip of the Vittara and back on the free side. Even I had the $2.50 on the dashboard. That was an extreme full driving on the Harbour Bridge. Yeah.

That was it. I've never had a full-wheel drive. I've done full-wheel driving. Losing a round of corner.

I know a grass before driving. I wish it was as simple as that as well as the full-wheel drifting. I mean working in real estate you need to get T-opens on Saturdays and full drive comes in handy when you've got to get to a certain spot and you want to be traffic. So what are you driving Joe?

I'm in a Nissan Patrol. I've got the Simpson 50th anniversary edition of the 2012 model. So it came with a few extras but it's just a good, I call it the agricultural version of the full-wheel drive. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles.

It's got enough. If you don't put your seagull on, the thing doesn't scream at you. So that's what I like about it. Sometimes when you're putting out all your signs in the morning in real estate, you don't want to put your seagull on every two seconds.

It's right. Allegedly. Well, and it's just easy. What my brother has the, I think it's a 2012 Patrol, the single cap, the three-litre turbo diesel.

And he's done it. He wants to work, lift it a bit, not a bit of boost, inner core and stuff. The thing's, the thing's all proof. I mean, you know what's up?

I mean, he's got 200 plus on it. I mean, it's like daily drive. He's building maintenance and stuff and he's going here and there and long trips, short trips. And it's, I mean, you get a Land Cruiser Patrol jokes all the time.

They're having a go at each other. But I think both of them are, both are, I mean, you can take them literally anyway. And now you're getting some of the older ones that, because people don't want to let go at these cars. No.

Once they got them, they've got them. Now they're starting to get all the conversions. And you've got everything from the Duramax diesel conversions, the, coming the Chevy Silverado, to, they're putting the Chevy LS motors into them. It's an existing Land Cruiser.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anything up to, well, the thing is that the Cummins diesel and the LS and LSI motors, because they're current motors emissions-wise, you can put them into anything up to a current patrol or a Land Cruiser.

I mean, you're going to pay 150 grand and then do it. But people are buying the 200 series or as Joe's got the, the patrol of 50th anniversary. And if it's got 100,000 Ks or 150,000 Ks as a lot of these do, but they're body and interior, everything's in good. And it's spending 30, 40 grand on engine conversion and they're getting like 600 horsepower, 1000 new to meters in their off road.

If you do go out in the up-back, that's what you see. Land cruises to the other, the old, the old, the trippies, the old patrol. And you can't kill it. And of course you.

Like if you want to kill it, you'll really have to, you know. Well, it's funny to say that 100,000, that's nothing for a turbo diesel with mine. I've got a brand new and it was so tight when I first bought it for probably the first 40, 50,000 Ks. It didn't loosen up at about 60, 70,000 Ks.

I started getting real power out of it. And the sweet spot for cars is usually 10 to 20,000 Ks. So you're saying with a patrol? With a diesel.

Yeah. It opened up at about 60, 60, 60, 70, 70,000. How many Ks you got on yours now? 118, just here.

Is that a few of your full driving driving? Yeah. I just took it up to Bellana. And freeway driving, the thing is unbelievable.

I did 850 Ks and I had a third of a tank left. Yeah, but they're not the type of fuel to take. No, they're on 135 litre tank. OK.

That's not bad. So I was pretty happy with the mileage on the freeway. But it's just, they're fun to drive. You know, you go off road and you go off sand dunes and the families.

So where can you go? So you've bought yourself a full drive to go. You've spent 150 grand with the fully loaded Land cruisers. You've taken the tie off.

It's the weekend. We're going to go for the driving. Where you going? OK.

Sorry, though. I have no idea. I've never had the depth of the fleet help. Probably the easiest is the sand dunes.

And you've got to get your, you know, you've got to get your tire pressures right. You don't need to have much recovery gear because there's a lot of people that if you go up to Stockton, there's probably about 20 or 34 with drives, any given spot. You can see from any side of vision anywhere on the beach. So if you get into trouble, somebody will come up and help you.

So you don't really need to. What's the trouble do you need? Oh, you know, if you get stuck or bogged or get out of a tight spot, you've got them out in the sand, which is hard to do. Most of those, I mean, most of the enthusiasm, you get your bow and person that doesn't want to listen and what I'm doing, even for rookies and newcomers, they go to a place like that if they join a club, let's all the clubs out there.

Or if they turn up and they see people, they say, hey, I'm new. All these guys are like any other car community to help people out. It's when bullfish turn up. I think you know everything.

I saw it on YouTube. So I know what to do. Or I saw it on Facebook or whatever. Next thing you know, they're on their roof, they're in the water.

They're killing someone. All those places, they'll always go online, have a look. Do you want a club, make some inquiries? They usually have days where they're going up for a cruise or something.

And just ask the questions and you'll find that you get all the right answers. Look, you showed me that video where I got the guy. Yeah, guys going up the June. It's a very steep June.

You're crazy if you go across it because that's how you roll. Yeah, well, I didn't roll. No, I got the guy on the quad. But I'm just saying, it just goes shut up.

So you got sort of rules? Yeah. What do you do is in time? So with sand juns, you would go straight up it or straight down it.

If you get stuck halfway up, because you need the momentum, doesn't matter how much torque you've got, you're going to sand soften. If you get dug into it, doesn't matter how much power you've got, you've got to go back down the same way you went up. Don't try and do it, you turn, because you roll it. OK.

So that's the rule. And you mentioned tire pressures earlier. So when you're on sand, you've got to drop them to about 20 psi. So it's like your tire's sort of half-flapping.

Yeah, so you've got more surface area. So a flat tire or half-flapping, by dropping the tire pressure, it gives you more more surface area. More surface coverage on the sand. If you leave your tires pumped up to 40 psi or 35 psi, they're just digging into the sand.

And you're burning a lot of diesel, burning a lot of hitting up your divots and everything. And you're just not moving. So by leaning down your tires, you're covering more of the sand area, and you move along the quarry. OK, so at the bottom of the gen, I want to get to the top.

Get a run up. Get a run up. Get a run up. That's my maintenance speed.

Speed. And would you leave the gear in a high-de-low gear? Do you put your radar out? You put it in a four-wheel drive high.

And that's what you're driving the sand dunes on. The only time you use low is if you're in mud, then you're just trying to use the engine to slow you down, rather than using your brakes. And if you hit the brakes and you stop the wheels, the inertia or the movement of the car, even though your tires are stopped, will keep sliding down the mud. So having the tires moving, gripping, is what you want in low range.

But the engine's high range, you need the high range to get you through. And you can try that for that. That'd be for luck. Yeah, well, you've got the guitar head one of those.

Other. The guitar head one of those. It's a year out. Always.

All of them are like ones. Yeah, and your prados are just got a button. You push it. It goes straight into the.

But my one's got the four-low, four-high, two-low, two-high. So you can choose which mode you want to put it in. Usually you can do it while you're moving. You'll even on auto.

So you don't have to change the hub. Well, if you change the hubs, the good thing about the trial is you've got auto. It automatically locks. And you can change it into four-wheel drive at 40 to 50K.

If you wanted to, if you do put it on lock, you actually have to stop to change it because the diffs are in synchronized to each other. So you actually have to stop to engage it so you don't crack it or break or anything. That's where it's at with the diff lock. So I'll leave it on auto.

So if you just get stuck or you're in a hairy position, you can change it into four-wheel drive without having a tundled complete stop to do it. I remember a trip. We took up the Fraser Island. That's where the world's largest sand island in northern Queensland.

It's not that high. Queensland's not that high. That's not the management. And we're going to do a day tour on a full drive bus thing.

It's me and you, sir. Yeah. And there was a, the had land rovers and I booked out months in advance and someone canceled that morning. And one of the boys yelled out, you know what the bus I've got a full drive?

So that was our sort of first taste. We'll go through the inland part and there was like logs and rocks all over it. And we were sitting in the back of those sideways and like the troop carrier. We didn't get hands and problems.

It's not going to be a river for the driver. I mean, my brother's driving. He didn't have a day rat. He was flying through.

And on the map, it had on the beach, speed limit 80 kilometers an hour. But we're on the beach and it was soft sand. I think we do it 2030. Yeah.

And I think you can do 80 Ks an hour on the, on the, on the beach. We went to the top of the island and we turned around. Guess what? It was low tide.

Ah. And there's a smooth, there's a freer. I will see to 110 kilometers an hour. And I'm thinking, ah.

And then every now and then you dip like a, like a rut because of the water coming off the island into the ocean. But we were flying. Were we doing the right thing? Oh, look.

You, with the beach, I mean, it's not inside a 40 or 50 K speed limit. But if you can get it up to a high speed, you just, you go for it. Nobody's out there patrolling really. It's just for your own safety and the safety of other people on the beach.

Oh, it's just sort of the single thing. So it's pretty much, you know, anything goes out there. That's why people like forward driving because it's just away from rules and regulations and you just let your head in and have a bit of fun. We're just respecting each other's space.

Of course. Of course. Just being safe, you know. Respect for other people's safety.

Safety, yeah. Mountains. Soft sand into the mountains. Into the mountains, rocks, mud, trees.

I think it's good to have a ball bearing your forward drive. And when you're in those situations where, you know, you've you're sitting on a hill and you've got a small tree. And if you move your requires half an inch or you lose traction, you just move the tree out of the way. Like it'll end a bit, you know.

And that's why it's a ball bearing. If you had to just up about it, you'd scratch the hell out of it. So in those areas, it's probably easier to just be a bit rougher with what you're doing, but it gets you through. They're probably more extreme.

I've been in four drives doing that. And you need to be pretty hard or convoys good because you can look at the car in front of you. And that's why I said these are good in four drives. And you sort of say that like in front of you.

Listen, if you move over to the left a bit, you get a bit more traction with your left tyre. That's what's spinning out. And you guide each other through it. And you know which path to take through that part of the rock or bush.

And it makes it easier. So it gets you through. It's good fun though. Would you recommend a brand new Bentley Bentayga on the front?

They could get actually if you feel if you reach it. They could get back. Absolutely. Yeah.

So you see a lot of these rain drives and expensive four drives, not one of them is to do it. Oh, I see a few ones. I think so. You go trees.

Trees is what gets you. I make it fun. Trees rocks. Yeah.

Boggles. Rocks the underneath will get damaged. Yeah. But trees is what damages the paint work and the panels.

So I make a fun of it. New Gloucester. And we used to go up there and do a good full driving. And he took us on this track.

And should this day I've still got scuff marks from the trees because it was a bit of a grind. They went big trees. But you still get those, you know, there's Lawrence the other side of your car from them. And it's just part of parcel.

You need to talk to our previous guest of ours, Aimey, from leading edge for the paint protection film. Yeah. Well, there's actually. Next time you get a new patrol or a new Landreuse.

Yeah. Yeah. The paint protection film. I think what they do, they run a very sharp knife.

They can't cut. Well, it's a running skid school walks in it. It's always like your screen side, you're on your phone. Yeah.

Like you can just stop it from smashing. Yes, but I might stop it from digging it for truth. No, no, no. It's not.

It's only a certain degree of impact, potentially you'll get. But it's similar to the stuff that's on the screen. I haven't been in that experience. It's river crossings.

Do you get to a river go? Oh, shoot. No. Is it all right?

It's funny with all the rain we've had in the last couple of days. You've got to go around the way to your walk it. And 10-4 drives. Usually underwater to an extent.

You're to an extent. You can't. You'll probably see maybe if you see somebody else go through it, that's when I probably attempt it and see how far down they go. But to be the pioneer, I probably wouldn't do it.

I'll go around it if I could. We've done forward crossings in my car. The only thing is if they're sort of up to the top of your wheels and bottom of your doors, that sort of level, you're probably going to get some water in your diffs or you're going to get problems with or possibility of watering. You're getting more in your diff.

You're transferring to your case or your key box. Because they've got breathers. And most of the standard ones, the breathers are actually at the bottom of your diffs or at the bottom of your key box. So what the forward drive aftermarket people are doing is running pipes from those breathers up into your firewall, up to the level of your battery or top of your bonnet.

So any air that needs to be sucked into those areas, which is the diff, the two diffs, the transfer case in your gear box, comes from that spot much higher up. So you don't get any water going into the diffs. It's a bit of running with the youths running right in the back of the cab. And is that what you're supposed to know called those?

No, the diff breathers are different. They're these little ceramic filters that allow air to go into your diffs. When you're all driving, the diff gear box is very, very hot because you're running them all simultaneously. So when it hits cold water, it shocks the whole thing.

It causes the air to change inside the diff. So they say that the rubber around the seals can suck in water because it wants to, like the air pressure changes inside the diff. And it will cause the water to go into your diffs. And that can cause long term problems.

So make the oil milky, of course, issues with your gear box and diff long term. So that's why people get breathers. If they're doing a lot of river crossing, sometimes it's incidental. You don't know, you're going to cross the river, but you go out to a new spot.

And all of a sudden you've got this river that wasn't there before. And you need to cross the other side. That's why a lot of people do the... The day aftermarket those breathers or...

Most of them are, yeah. Yeah, a lot of... That's why the forward drive magazines and all those guys make a heap of money off aftermarket advertisers. That's where most of their income comes from.

What is this all? I think they're on top of it. That's not what your basically said in their box. Yeah.

Well, air film series, that is extended above the root usually up to the top of the reflexes. Yeah, yeah. And that's basically to make sure there's no water getting into your inbox and you're sucking to your engine. Well, technically the manufacturers say dust and stuff because they can't say water.

Because if you're carring water... Because in the water up to that level, usually it's a ride off. Because as soon as the water gets in the door, in the on your door, in any floor, if you tell your insurance company, they'll write the car off. What people do if that does happen is they report the car out, you've got little plugs in the bottom of your forward drive.

You rip them out, let it all drain out, get all your car that's cleaned. Once they're driving it all back in, put it back together. As long as your wiring hasn't been compromised. That's why vinyl is a good investment.

And you know what, those had plugs? My mum's dassen 1200. What kind of plugs we're talking about? You hate that?

My brother and I used to lie down on the floor. He said, yeah, I just said, plug my mum and her dad said that. Hell, you're incapable of it. I was just saying the whole...

on the floor is where flashback to when I was five years old. Sorry guys. I've seen a lot of people that have got, whether or not it's their full drive, a full drive SUV, that have ripped the car out of a middle, upper range car, and gone and bought the vinyl from the Popo Pack model to put down. And popped up the car, rolled it up at home, I'll put it in one day for a sell or something.

And then while they're doing that, they've made sure that around where there's electrical and connectors, they've protected that as well. You can run, there's a dynamite you can run, which is like a standard heat insulation. Obviously they know where they're going, they're expecting... They try to minimize the risk, it's always minimizing it.

I know with going to Stockton Beach, we've also been up to Lennox Head Beach with the four-wheel drive of the boys and the family, we had six people in it, just loved it, but you end up with half the beach in your car. And I've got the Big Rub and Matt's, they come up mostly, they end up with a bit in the edges, but that's easy to vacuum out. You just grab the Big Rub and Matt's, pull them out, empty the sand off, and you're done. I've seen some of the big videos on Facebook guys pulling their interior out and getting like their garden leaf flower.

Just hitting it, it looks like a dust storm coming up. You know, I pulled all the seats out of a pool for console, it's the only way you're going to get all the sand out of there. It's a popular pastime, we're not supposed to during the week that we were doing today's topic as four-wheel drive, we've got a huge response. There's a lot of people out there that really go and they can enjoy it.

It is a lot of fun, I didn't believe how much fun I would have the first time I went forward driving, I was a bit, you know... What a really arse, like, really nice clean. If she is about to say that the... She's not interested, the only camping spots we go to, they call the Hilton.

You should take it out. You know what, usually I'd be glamping at Cockatoo Island. Yeah, it's after four-wheel drive across there. Just take a glance, see if she likes to glam it.

Get the ferry across and glam. So I really, we know you've got to listen. Your dad's taking you glamping. We can also, this was a camping out at Western Plains Zoo with the animals, during the night.

Have you been out there with the former? Yeah, I've been out there to Dabo actually. Yeah. And that was pretty good.

We enjoyed that. We did the Raw and Snore. Any problems? They did the...

Oh, if you were in a way, you're a reservation after I'd booked it. So they... So Raw and Snore. Yeah, I've been actually shipped themselves when I get a sleep there.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Let me tell you, okay.

The lines went... Shit. The lines will just get up and lay. The lines will be head, somewhere, not Dabo.

Don't worry. I was on the flight back from LA with him. Why do you want to see him? I was a poise-trip.

And my wife knew who I was bunking with. And she warned him. And he took e-plums with him. So...

We moved. Have you seen the movie Little Nicky without him, Sandler? No. Where he's the son of Satan?

No. Right. Well, he, when he sleeps, he's got this Snore on him that basically shakes the building. Right?

And we went to Melbourne on a road trip. We'd hate to watch the footy. Right? And we were tired.

Because we pretty much got there. We drove it to the game. And then we went back to leave. Right.

We just went back, mate. Yeah. Pete slept. No one else's in the room slept.

No one else's in the room slept. I was on the couch. You've run in a room. I was on the couch.

I thought there was an earthquake. Well... Right? My bed was vibrating.

So, so, Pete, was the only one driving the next day? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He started driving.

No one was in slept. That was the trip. We were so bored of the way back. We'd kind of have the buttons this car had.

It was the S-class Merc. Oh, well. And we'd count 112 buttons. Yeah, it was pretty.

There was a 90s model. There's the one with the double glaze window. The full tank. It was an S-class.

Keep counting buttons. And there was a button that popped the headrests up and down. And one of the other guys was out the back seat. And we just had a button.

And we just had a button. And it was... And then we just had a button. And then we just had a button.

And then we just had a button. And then we just had a button. Ah, I'm going. Happy day.

Well... That car, yeah. It'll burn through everything. It'll...

Ah, there was no screen. No nav. The only digital was the actual temperature for the air con. It had like the old LCD.

We could crystal this glaze. But there was about a hundred-twall of buttons. Well, we kept fine. We would then start pressing H1 to see what it would do.

That was a fun trip. That one. Yes, the lines would run away from me if I were camping with... Well, we've got another one of our listeners.

His name is Josh Stallani. Josh is known as the wanderer. Josh gets down and about with his control. He's got this thing set up.

So for everyone that's listening, I think he got on Facebook. I think it's called... He's the wanderer 365. Josh has set up a four-wheel drive and stay four-wheel drive in.

For extended... Went up to Cape York with it. Wow. Yeah.

Grab his dogs. Yeah. Cape York with it. Went through that infamous crossing.

Dropping down. So, yeah, so we're going to have Josh on... The road trip episode. We've got the road trip.

That's the road trip episode. Josh is going to tell us how to get ready for big road trips. Thank you, Paul. And all the...

And what comes with it and what you need to be prepared for. He is into photography as well. So he's got some great fighters. He's got his page.

Some of the photos from the outback. Oh, yeah. You must see some amazing... One of the things about four-wheel driving is the places you get to see.

That are off the beaten track that you need to be in a four-wheel drive to get to. It's just untouched. It's just unnatural. Beautiful.

You just can't get anywhere else. So, yeah, that's in a couple weeks now. So anyone got questions? I've got a holiday period.

For the holiday period, Josh is your man. He will give you the right advice. He's like a full-wheel drive camping nerd. He's like, Sheldon Cooper meets the Lament Brothers.

I was thinking about the Lament Brothers yesterday. Why did the Lament Brothers have a Volkswagen? I don't know. You think they would be...

...Lament Brothers, wouldn't they? Can I say they already? No? No?

No? No? No? No?

No? No? No? The Lament Brothers are the blokes that built the...

...Eas Rock up at... Up North. Up North. Up North.

It's right knee hawks in it, knee tee gardens. It's as you sort of turn off to go to tee gardens. That bit down. Not long ago, actually.

And the funny thing was, we went there for a road trip. About two weeks later we found it. Down. We've been taking my boys up there for a holiday, almost every year for the Lament Brothers, six years.

We're going to do Lament Brothers World. They work. Yeah. And it just went belly up.

So... Probably like this week world. It's probably one of the... Right, there is a lot of things.

I can't say that I'm a full-drive enthusiast, but having traveled to as far as places like Burke and Waucania and stuff like that, where you've got red country and black country. So... And it can change very, very quickly, where, one minute you're following in the next minute, you're on a different type of soil, and it goes to shit real quick. So...

Have you had any... I'm going to die on it? Uh, not really. The...

Probably one of the worst was when I first went to San Juni, that stopped in. Some of the dunes are pretty steep, and if you're ever in a patrol, you're buying it's probably a good meter and a half long. To see how the end of it... Some of them are so steep, you just don't know.

It's like a roller case. You don't know what's... What's on the other side? So you go down and you're thinking, what am I getting myself into?

So that's probably the hairiest thing for me. But river crossings, I've seen a few that have gone wrong, or there's ruts under the water, you don't know how deep they are, or who got sucked in before you when it was dry. So they might have dug a big barrow. So you go through it and then your car's just floating, you're up to your chest in mud, and you need somebody to rescue it out, and I've seen that happen, and my brother was the one that sat snacking him out.

You know, that car would have been a real mess when he was finished, because they were having the doors and it was underwater and they were being made in there. So yeah, his kid in there just was not a good thing for the family, because horrible. So it can be pretty expensive if you lose a car in a river crossing. Yes, there is insurances available for specific insurances for forward driving, that your mainstream insurances don't offer, there's some extended covers for that type of use.

So again, if any of our listeners have info on them, Joe might have that type of cover, he may not, he may not get into that extreme stuff. No, no extreme. But there are people that are companies that offer that. So if you're going to go down that path, that go taking your very expensive toy to do stuff without making sure you've got the right car, or looking into whether or not you don't have the right car.

Right, cover. It is planning and safety first, before you go out, even crossing the outback of the other thing that should be your first attempt at forward driving. Absolutely not. But it is a community and I guess if you go to a full drive, special shot, I mean, they will give you tips advice.

How to go about it, clubs with spoke about clubs before, it's their wealth of information and people that have been there done that before you. It's not going to be the first. It's like you said, you go out and there's people that are happy to talk to you and help you and guide you and it's just a very friendly community and they're there to help, they're not there to just do their own thing. If they say you're in trouble, they'll help you.

It's a betrable, Dali. It is. How do you park it in Sydney? I lease a car spot.

Two cars for us. One to park and one to get in the now. Well, the cars we had before that. Ah, before this one, I had the 135I BMW.

Oh, yeah. OK. And that was a lot of fun. But funny enough, I've had more fun in the patrol, family wise.

They're nobody in the 135. That was the car that I had fun on my own, not with the kids. With the kids, yeah. So, yeah, it's a different sort of vehicle.

And I'm strongly only car I've been happy with for more than 60. So every other car, about four or five years, I've had enough of it. That's saying something for me, I guess. I enjoy the forward driving.

Have you ever had a forward drive down? Yeah. Did you ride it off? No, no, no.

No, no. No, no. No. No.

I think I came out wrong. It was a brief ride. It was a bit rotten. Oh, any rants this week?

LAUGHTER I have a rant. You have a rant? OK. I have a rant.

Till me. I am sick of people parking on footpaths, parking on all sorts of footpaths, and not for your cars. People try and walk down. They've got kids, elderly people.

It's the only way in and out. And the worst thing is that, and I took this up with a member of my local council area, the rangers will, they'll like hawks in the CBD areas and any shopping streets. They will go out there and they'll rip your new one if you find schools and those. And school zones.

Yeah. Right, it's all factored in. They could probably go out to the suburbs and do more business. And it'd be more effective because they've got to go, well, I've got a book today.

I'm not going to do it again. There's a car on the corner of a very busy road that had a big couple of weeks back. Probably only no other than that. Obviously, you didn't get towed because if you get towed, you're getting a neck driving ticket.

So I probably just sent to the car I'll move the car and car doesn't drive. So he's moving up on the footpath at the corner of a very busy intersection. And pretty much left it there. And it's got that corner has the layback for prams and mobility scooters and just people in general.

Castile there. I've called several times. They say, why is this car still there? There's no tickets on it.

No one's going there to move it. If you left that car, you know, one hour zone, you know, now we're in 10 units, it's got a ticket on it. Yeah, when I was young, you know what job I want to do if they could do it. I'd be a pardon cop on a 5% commission.

Go to Bondi Beach, Mark the cars, go for a swim for an hour, come back. Well Sydney Council and some of the eastern suburbs councils in the other areas where there's a lot more traffic in the inner city areas. Their ranges do work to light your way. No, you see them.

Now, there's a lot of traffic. Further down in the suburbs. I've seen them even in what I know. Yeah, you can.

Now, when you come out to the more suburban areas, six o'clock they're all going to work. That's it. But that's when the problem starts in the suburbs. Because everyone goes back and you've got cars on four parts.

You know, people wearing wrecking yards from their front yard with cars at the level of the shop. Even truck. I've noticed there's a lot of big trucks late at night parking in suburban streets. And they go back early in the morning and leave their cars at the top of the yard.

No, they're moving their feet. They're going to the nearest street. That's not on the main road. Getting there at four o'clock in the afternoon because the people that live there are at work.

And they're parking their truck there. That's not supposed to be in that street to start with. And they're jumping in their car and leaving. So I think in a Sydney, some other places across the country, you've got parking permits.

You remember that, Pete? From your old council area? Yep. I reckon if you've got more than two cars in suburban areas, and they're registered at that address, any more than two, you pay an additional premium, the park on the street.

You've got an agreement on the house. I'm not going green. You don't want to limit the amount of cars in the household. No, I don't want to limit it.

Right. If you're going to have five or six cars in a household. Yeah. And park and...

How many cars do you know in your household? I've got two and a half. Two and a half. Let's say I pay to park my cars elsewhere.

Yeah, okay. So you do. You understand. And I'll tell you now, it'll cost me the equivalent of another redo a year per car to have them sold.

Meanwhile, you've got people with five or six cars that have got them parked out the front of their house, their neighbours' house across the road. Oh, where's everyone else park? You want six cars? I don't know we used to drive to school there at the Mad Rush to park.

And there was a made of house. So, yeah, this is Yves Sierra, by the way. Smart Cookie, he went with an old lady living in a house, no car, or a bunch of roses and a box of chocolates. And asked if he could park his car in her driveway or he'll turn.

She was wrapped and looked like there was someone home. And this kid used to come to school literally three minutes before the bill, park, run into the school in the driveway and go inside the school. Smart kid. Smart kid.

He's pretty successful. So what are you saying? I've started for old ladies in my neighbourhood. Yeah, the park are your cars.

Start taking flowers, old ladies in my neighbourhood. And chocolate. Mrs will be your first. I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry. Don't go forward driving with your late late late. Good to forward driving. You didn't have.

Well, thank you, Joe, for coming to the start to do it. Thanks for having me. Thanks to... We'll switch to record days.

Two meetings with our recording at night. I'll go to my bearings or mixed up, but you could be listening to this in the night or in the morning. So, thank you, Joe, with those wonderful insights that I had no idea about forward driving because my guitar was a very limited experience except at the heart of the bridge. How?

Thank you again. You're welcome. Next week on Amazon, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.

We'll figure it out. Anyone, if you've got listeners, if you've got a suggestion, you want us to talk about something, a topic, give us a suggestion and we'll be looking for someone that can answer all those questions and have a bit of a laugh, we'll have a bit of a chat. Don't know if we can take them forward driving or give them flowers. But we'll make sure that we have fun with them and we're very pretty soft on Joe to make a bed.

We'll make a couple of people but the troublemakers, that's why. The troublemakers, that's why. The assassin. You know we're talking about Eros.

But it's also the anniversary. That's why it's always on the internet. Yeah. I'm going to go to his cover present for his anniversary.

He's kind of a person. Just a little bit of sleep. He put the old rules back on. Just a little bit of sleep.

What she was like. What she was like. What she was like. Yeah.

Got him. Alright. We'll call her up. Joe, thanks for coming.

Thanks for coming. Thanks, Joe. That's it for me. Thanks, man.

Thanks, Al. That's all right. And just another little surprise about your responses. So we'll talk about that.

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