Old and New Rights | Interview: George Hawley

Jonah Goldberg, weary of the grind, needs some R&R. Not being much of a beach man and finding ping pong boring, he turns to the one activity which puts the pep back in his step and color in his cheeks: day drinking. Wait … checks notes … rather, Jonah turns to his other favorite recreation: talking about conservatism. Today Jonah’s partner in crime is political scientist and notorious conservatism nerd George Hawley. Join this dynamic duo as they dive into the meaning of “right” and “left,” the many new rights, populist tension, the cult of unity, the progressive era, socialism, identity politics on the right, ethnic politics, antisemitism, Russell Kirk, the horseshoe theory, me-too Republicans, and conservatism as ideology and its origins. Show Notes:—George Hawley in The Dispatch: “The Enduring Lessons of Fusionism”—Right-Wing Critics of American Conservatism—Samuel Huntington: “Conservatism as an Ideology”—David Schoenbaum: Hitler's Social Revolution: Class and Status in Nazi Germany, 1933-1939—Jonah’s first book: Liberal Fascism—Hawley: Conservatism in a Divided America: The Right and Identity Politics—Charlie Cooke Remnant—George Nash: The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America Since 1945—Matthew Continetti: The Right: The Hundred-Year War for American Conservatism The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including audio versions of all our articles and newsletters and Jonah’s twice-weekly G-File—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices