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You're listening to the Wisps was that's investigative studies of paranormal stuff. Wait, what was that was that investigates? Science of parent was was that was that's okay? It's awesome super fun time paranormal adventure show seriously Gary you're never allowed to name anything again According podcast.

What the hell was that angels? Okay, why is your fun sound like angels because I'm awesome by the way welcome to the wish show. I am your host castle With us we have our fellow host Tim beaker formerly known as the slob whisperer First off what's happening second? You can stop saying formerly known as well.

I want people to be confused. I'm confused My voice doesn't change just because you got rid of the stupid nickname. It was kind of a cool nickname But I know you didn't like it, so I was okay getting rid of it We also have peaches aka brandy or brandy aka peaches whichever direction you want to go one I'm not surprised that you're confused and to what's up that happens with old age by the way the whole confusion thing Yeah To my left we've got silent on And we have the end hello and tonight we are sans lurch because he apparently has a mountain of homework Which is too bad because it's always fun when we have our chair But school and work and I guys got a schedule that is atrocious. I don't know how he does it So for the the two people that are watching us right now We are recording our podcast which you can find at plot bash.com if you've never been there before You'll probably miss the very first part of this because we didn't actually start recording till a couple minutes in and in future podcast We will actually announce that we're doing it.

This is just kind of a trial run I don't think we've quite figured out the audio issue that we're having but we're just gonna do this today anyways Yeah, so we're just playing with it So tonight the end was in charge of talking points and she's fired because she didn't do us any so we're just Yes, I did. Do you guys not read your texts? No, we don't. Honestly, I think you pictures and everything I just right up told you that we don't know how to read so it's interesting to talk about what are we talking about today Wait, can I touch on something real quick?

What you're gonna touch and how? Touching you don't touch me. Okay, so I just wanted to kind of add an update to one of our previous episodes when we talked about the succubus Niki bus and I would like to come out and personally say that my mind on them being fictional has completely changed Due to recent events that have happened with our team and I think I want to talk about I'm just gonna say right now I believe that they exist Tim has repented he's excited which is a proper thing how we always record on a Sunday night I just hope he's not too excited because he met the succubus girlfriend. No, well, no What?

Well, we'll talk about it later. She doesn't know. She doesn't know. Yeah, we haven't told her about it.

No, I didn't know No, I'm trying to get the end of Marco Polo. Yeah, cause everyone tells me why don't think we talked about it in the Markable I don't think we talked about it in the Markable I'm just individual texts between you and myself and actually you did send me a text giving me very very like a brief hey, we might have a succubus thing Oh, yeah, there's way more to it. Okay. So if you all look at our group text Sunday February 12th a whole week You've had a whole week to research it.

I sent you two photos are really gonna start the public Was at Starbellage snitches? Is that what we were gonna talk about? No, it was in one of John's office's books I can't hear myself. You're fine.

I got a new mic and it's freaking me out. So sorry folks. Well it's because I had the phones turned out. I thought it was filling out what it was supposed to be.

You're selling out an acronym or whatever that was supposed to be. Dottles? That was part of it. So I have a whole pile of books at home that I started to work my way through and I was going to go ahead and tell the story to show us about.

So I got to a part where they were talking about jots which is just one of those things. One of these things in paranormal that doesn't really have a thing except it's a jot. And what a lot of them are are objects that move. It's good to kind of back up really quick.

The term jot is the acronym. Just one of those things. Just if in case anybody's confused that's what a jot is. It's not like an actual critter called a jot.

It's an acronym for weird crap that we can't explain. Go ahead. But it's paranormal or so forth. Anyway it goes on to describe and this is a picture that I sent you on the text.

It's two pages in the book and it defines different movements of objects. Sometimes they move and you'll disappear and they never come back and we'll actually go through it when you guys read your text while I'm telling the story. But one of them is a walkabout and a walkabout is when an object disappears but it might come back later. And it's funny because I read this.

And I thought you know what? Silent Dawn and I have had two objects in our house that I've gone missing. And it's something that's important to us. I mean not like super important like grandma across the plains with her or anything.

But they're noticeably gone. And we've been blaming one of our children for this missing thing. And it's funny because after I read about this part of it said sometimes you can just demand that the spirit bring it back. So after I read this I thought you know one of them is a pair of scissors and it's an expensive pair of scissors.

And the other is a Bluetooth speaker. And both of them are big enough that they're not easily going to get lost like slip down into a couch or something. And we have spent what probably nine months looking for the speaker. So after I read this I thought you know what?

I'm home alone. This is weird. So just really loud I said alright you know what? I want my scissors back and I want my speaker back.

And I thought okay there. I put it out there we'll see what happens. So at the end I just have to ask you normally talk to yourself and you'll have to talk to yourself and you'll have to talk to yourself when you're alone. It depends.

But she's not having a loan. We're not supposed to do that. So anyway not two minutes later. Dawn and his daughter come home because they've been doing some stuff with her car.

And I went downstairs to go see them and they had gone to the basement because she had some storage and they went down to get it. And I'm not exaggerating. Probably four minutes from the time I demanded that this stuff come back. Silent Dawn comes out the stairs and says hey look I found the blue tooth speaker.

I'm like you are freaking kidding me. And it's in a room that we had a flood not too long ago and we spent a lot of time down in there because that's where all the water goes and that's where the clean out goes. And I bet you in the last couple months we've spent probably five or six hours in that room. And he walked in there that one day and it was just there.

So that was just really weird. And it was high where the five year old couldn't have put it. Right. And I was just waiting for my scissors.

I was about to ask if the scissors had made an appearance yet. No but within four or five minutes of me demanding for that item to come back. Boom. And it's interesting that you bring that up because there's a lot of things in the paranormal field that we do understand as best as can be understood with the resources we have.

But periodically there are things that we run across that can't be explained that we don't understand how they work or why they work. It's no secret that when it comes to paranormal I take a religious approach to it. I know Brandi, Peach just takes a religious approach to paranormal. Yes I do.

I think most of us do to an extent. And there are just some things that we can't explain. They don't contradict what we know religiously but we don't understand why they are or how they're there or why they're there. Which is kind of interesting.

Now I did have one of our listeners Sandy sent me some questions. And you guys okay if I go through these questions real quick? That was fine. Well before we, is it to do with this with disappearing objects?

Vaguely. Do you have more on disappearing objects? Yeah actually. I did.

I did not have to proceed with that. Well because everyone was supposed to study on this and have ideas. I actually came up with another example. I think it was the first or the second time we went to the science building and there was a Nazi hat.

Oh that's right. And I don't remember the story. I'll let Castle tell it because it's more history than mine. I remember we actually went there in a public hunt.

I think you were with me on that one weren't you Tim? Yeah probably. We went there and Tim Conyers who is the caretaker of the design building was going to show us really neat Nazi hat. It wasn't like an authentic Nazi hat.

And the building is used as a storehouse for props for I believe it's Pioneer Theater if I remember properly. Tim was going to show us this hat and he'd been in there. Was this a public hunt timbers? Is this the time we went in on a private hunt?

I think it was a public one. I think it was the first public one we were on when we did the... I think you were right. I was there.

It was the first time I was with you. Yeah anyway and so we went in and Tim was going to show us this really neat authentic SS Nazi hat that had been donated to the Pioneer Theater for one of their props for future plays involving Nazis and the building is a fantastic building. There's a room full of different hats and a room full of different boots. A different period clothing and basically whenever Pioneer Theater wants to put on a play, they come to design building where they store all their stuff and they can costume up because they've got literally...

you name it, they've got it costume-wise. And a lot of the stuff there is authentic uniforms, a lot of it's authentic stuff. Some of it's costume stuff but some of it's quite authentic. Anyway, so Tim Conier was going to show us this Nazi hat that they had there and he went to show it to us and it was gone.

And it was placed in a very specific place. Nobody... two people had access to the building and even I mentioned it's a public hunt. The public hadn't actually been in the building yet.

We just opened it up. We went to go straight to where the hat was at and it was not there. You know, and I know Tim Conier was a little bit upset. They couldn't find it, especially because we couldn't explain why it wasn't there because he had a key and another woman had a key.

And as I understand it, the other woman never goes there. And so Tim couldn't explain why this hat was missing. If I remember correctly and correct me if I'm wrong, Tim, because it's been a while. But it was several investigations at that building later and the hat just showed back up in a completely different area.

I want to say it was close to a year later. Yeah. That's when we finally found the hat again. It just showed up in a completely different location than what Tim Conier did had it.

So I think we were able to determine through a peaches that there was a spirit there named Esther. I think she hid the hat because she knew what was attached to it. That's right. In fact, the hat actually had been kept in a room where there was a Type 3 spirit in the design building.

There was a specific room that this Type 3 spirit was in. And we got talking to Esther. Well, this has been a long time since this happened. It's been a few years.

But we got talking to Esther on the third floor and she said that she had moved it while cleaning and put it somewhere else because of the attachment. And again, about a year later the hat showed back up. If I remember right, the pin on it, the SS pin had disappeared. And I don't think they've ever found the SS pin in the past.

Not that I can call now. But you know, those items are a good example of that kind of stuff because we had, I've invested that building several times. Not just the public counts with the Chunga. We've gone in privately and done several investigations there.

And there's one night when Tim and I were there and objects were literally moving around the building. Oh, that was crazy. I think that was a semi-private investigation because you guys were down at the, they're talking about when I was there. No, I'm talking about the one where it was just you, me, Tim Conier's and one of his friends.

It was just four of us. We had Charles who used to be a member. And then that other guy that was kind of like an interview investigation for those two. Right.

Anyway, all five of us, there were five of us in the building. And as we moved, as a group together from floor to floor, we moved like the second floor to the third floor. And as we got to the third floor, you know, we'd come back now, search the second floor and the latter would be moved like right in the path of where we had walked just before going to the other floor. In the hat room, we all been in the hat room.

We all left the hat room. Later on that evening we all, as a group came back to the hat room and there were hats in the middle of the floor. And so things were literally moving as we went from floor to floor. Things would move on the floor that we had previously been on.

And it was kind of the same thing. The night that I got attacked, we got down at the off-Broadway. Yeah, stuff was going around all over the place, aren't I, too? Yeah, and so it was kind of trippy.

Right. And then when we were down in Price and Castle, you didn't have the opportunity to go to that one. We were done. I was broken.

Yeah, he was. We done broken. You're still broken. We had some stuff that disappeared.

We had to go, you know, we were going to go. We were going to leave. And I think, I remember who it was, but someone had lost some equipment. And we had lights on and most of the stuff in this building because they were going to demolish this building.

Most of it was pulled off into a side room. And every individual room, there just was nothing in there. There's a few wires, maybe a couple of chairs. So it's not like it was a building with lots of places for stuff to hide.

And we went through the building and we'd have a group go this way and a group go that way. And it took it, you know, it was nowhere. And everybody went through the building several times, couldn't find it. And I think it was about our fourth or fifth time through.

We finally found it someplace where, you know, just where we'd all looked a million times. So, and I do know that a lot of times when people call us, they'll say that they'll put their keys down and their keys are missing. I mean, it's kind of the first things that people start to notice if they suspect that their house is haunted or if they've got it out. Or if they've got activity in their home, or things will move around.

You know, in fact, another instance I thought of was off-Broadway Theatre, our last investigation at the Off-Broadway Theatre. I had a flashlight that was in my pocket that just flat-out disappeared. I have no way to determine what happened with it where it went. In fact, I spent a good portion of the night searching the whole building looking for that flashlight.

I went under the stage looking for it. I have a flashlight that's going to mind-disappear it after we went to that secret location with the gift shop. I mean, realistically, I suppose I could have dropped it. But again, I try that building apart looking for it.

I just, I can't explain it. But then we look at, and this is a little bit different because it didn't disappear, but we look at the instance of Fort Douglas, where Lurch has pocket. I literally yanked out of his pocket. Well, there was Caden's bag at the price location.

Well, that's what I was talking about. Was it? Yeah. I'm not paying attention.

Tim is liking our Facebook Live comments. I'm talking to the seven people watching us. Hey, seven people. Yeah, we've got the fact Michelle Burns is calling you out.

Simon Donk. Hi, Donk. Donk. Donk.

Donk. Donk. Donk. Donk.

Donk. She called you Simon Bob, though. I don't know. Simon Bob.

Simon Bob. Yeah, Simon Bob. Yeah, that's James. Simon Bob.

No, it's Clerks and Kevin Smith. His character for all his movies. And for those who are watching us live and for those who aren't watching us live, we will probably be doing our few episodes on video and we'll announce it when we do do it. Yeah, we're going to be a little bit of a team set, too.

But according to a couple of people watching, they say they can hear, I'm assuming everybody's just fine. And what we're going to do, well, well, people are going on there apparently. Yes, but not for a while. Hey, welcome to the most podcast.

We are hoping also that with doing this, you guys can actually interact with us live as we record, and you can ask us questions. We'd be happy to answer those. To the best of our ability. I mean, if it interferes too much with the direction we're going to show we may save your question for another night, but if you guys have a question about what we're talking about specifically, throw it out there and we'll answer it.

I've got Tim on monitoring duty to keep track of such things. But yeah, and to be honest with you, there are other cases. For those who have not read the demonologist, it's a fantastic read. There are a lot of cases where other objects have, and I'm going to get back to the demonologist because we've had some experiences that have kind of coincided with that book.

But there are instances where rocks have appeared out of nowhere and rained down inside of homes or on top of homes. Yeah, I read that investigation. That was pretty trippy. That was a super active investigation.

Yeah, the vehicle matter has appeared inside homes just for no reason. I mean, there's been doors in homes that have disappeared from the roof. Yeah, watch the door disappear right in front of the eyes and then it appeared somewhere else in the house. Yeah, like you just show up in the basement.

And so it is possible for objects to do that and they call that a porting. I believe it's... Or LSD. Not an operation.

Not an operation. They call that Harry Potter word. Apparation. Apparation, I think.

But yeah, that's basically what can and does happen. There's actually instances where they talk about it in the demonologist where people who tinker with black magic can actually have demonic beings type three spirits serve them. And if you think this is a great idea, I'm talking about keeping in mind there's always a price and it's an ugly, ugly price. But basically those tinkering with magic can summon money to themselves.

And basically what happens is Tim goes to get in his wallet and Tim finds his money has gone. That's not paranormal though. I mean, what is disappearing? It's because the person sitting next to me is taking all my money.

And so, but basically, you know, some of those tinkering black magic is taking that money from Tim. I'll take him to me. Through that demonic being. And there's instances of stuff appearing in this place.

In fact, there's a case in West Point where like wallets and whatnot were disappearing and actually, and Lorraine Warren came in and found out there's actually a regular type one spirit there that was... That's right. That was the army barracks. Right.

And the army barracks. There's a type one spirit that was basically... I don't want to say he was thieving, but he was... I can't remember the reason why he read the book more recently.

Yeah. So it was a soldier that was actually killed there. I think he was just doing it for... to kind of get people's attention.

So he could have himself basically remembered, I believe, what it was. And he was just taking money and wallets and he was just moving it up from one room to the next. Like there was a certain room he kept putting in. I think it was a room he stayed in.

And through him doing all of this, they actually were able to go through and find the records of this guy because I think he was the only African American soldier at the time. Right. And so by him doing what he was doing, it wasn't anything malicious or... Oh my gosh.

Well, I've got an extra word here looking for that. Thank you. He wasn't trying to hurt anybody. He wanted people to know he was there.

Yeah. And so even a type one spirit can move things around. And the movement doesn't always have to be something disappearing and reappearing. It can be.

It has been. But for instance, we look at Cleve Evans' case, which we have an episode on. And if you're new to our show and you haven't watched or listened to the Cleve Evans episode, it's called The Scary One. It's one of our earlier episodes.

And one of the first things that happened in his home is he had his keys. We're not from the counter on to the floor. Up to the point where he had a paint can literally thrown at him from across the garage. So that thing was actually moved physically.

It wasn't as like his dental floss or his toothpaste or whatever it was that he was in the bathroom and it got like pulling out of hand and throwing it to the toilet. And so that stuff was like just physically moved. But it is possible for things to actually just flat out disappear and reappear. And for those who think this stuff is, that we're talking about, is absolutely insane and crazy.

You know, I mean, again, if you look to the scriptures and it's funny because that people tell me lots and make believe that stuff doesn't happen. All this stuff is talked about in the scriptures one way or another to an extent. Not necessarily saying that you'll spare it still, but things appearing, things moving, things of that nature. I mean, it does happen.

I know. I was waiting for Dan to jump in, but she just. I'm done. She has nothing.

Okay. Well, there were like, and I can't remember which book she was. I can't see the back of your head by the way. Those Dan's strokes are here for the camera.

There you go. I mean, there are several different categories and it just depends on where it disappears from and where it disappears to and how long it has disappeared from. But, you know, I read through them and it's like, okay, I get these different categories, but it's pretty much just stuff disappearing and reappearing. So we can go on to Sandy's question.

Before we do that, though, let's move into questions a little later. I do want to talk about some of the stuff. Tim brought up a very good thing. I can't remember if we talked about it in our last podcast or not.

But Tim mentioned it to me as he's reading the demonologist and we've actually kind of experienced it this last week. And so I kind of want to talk about that just a little bit. When Tim started reading the demonologist, he sent me a text. He goes, you know, he goes, I pick up this book and started reading it for the first time.

And he goes, it's amazing. Well, I've had the book for like two and a half years when I first joined the group and you're like, read this book. And I have to admit that my first joined the group was kind of afraid of demonology and demons and all that sort. And so I kind of didn't want to read the book, but I finally got to the point now where I've been reading it at work.

Instead of actually working. On my breaks. On my breaks. I'm reading the book at work.

But yeah, it's fascinating how similar the warns cases are to a lot of our cases and stuff that happens to them has been happening to us. For example, I think the one thing that I mentioned was the forewarning. Whenever we're going to have like a serious kind of a darker investigation, stuff starts happening to the team that kind of warns us or lets us know how serious the case is. Right.

And say we start getting a if we have a really dark type three slash demonic case come up. It's not uncommon for a week or two before the case for things to start occurring. And that happened a lot with the warns and they documented that quite a bit. And we've experienced that as well.

And Tim brought this up and essentially brought it up and probably not a week or two later. This last week has been kind of crazy as far as things happening go. And we actually had two cases that were hoping to do them yesterday, but they neither of them followed through. But either case could potentially be really bad.

And there's an app that we use. And if you don't use this, you should download it and use it. It's called Marco Polo. It's pretty awesome.

It's kind of like text messaging and FaceTime on your Apple phone had a baby. It's basically video text messaging where you can record yourself and it sends the video message. And this last week we're doing that. And we've talked about Brandy having episodes before where things have basically more or less jumped into her and taking control of her body.

And I don't want to call it a full possession because it's not by any means a full possession. It's kind of a channeling of sorts. Channeling or partial possession. Channeling is what I would call it.

But it's happened. Oh, the master. There you go. Those were with us a four-dug list the night when Brandy went walking into the sprinklers and saw that.

That was part of that. I'm trying to over-assend your hands about that. Yeah. He only exaggerated about that a little bit.

That one was pretty freaky for lack of a better word. But we've experienced that several times. I mean, we had the instance where you tried to choke me out in the basement family tree. Yeah, I did.

I don't know. We had the instance where it took Fort Grown Man to hold you down at our secret location. And there's been numerous instances where it's happened. And it's not that Brandy has done anything.

It's just that basically they will exploit her gift at times. Random pedal. There you go. That's kind of part and parcel of the package.

I think that's where they're trying to get away from. They've used that to try and scare some sentence messages. In fact, they've actually taken control of her and sent us Latin threats via text message through Brandy. Brandy doesn't know Latin for the record.

No, it's too hard. And they have done it sometimes where they've not taken control of her and they've just managed to send the message anyway. In fact, my phone sent Tim a message. Oh my God.

That was creepy as hell. Yeah. I'll tell the story real quick. I'll tell you what.

Well, I'll tell you what. I woke up to go to work about 4.30 in the morning if I remember right. And I woke up. I took my phone.

I set my phone in the bathroom. I went downstairs, made some breakfast. Went upstairs, got in the shower. I hadn't touched my phone since I woke up at 4.30.

Got out of the shower and I saw a message from Tim that said, what did I say, Tim? It was simply a question mark. Oh, yeah. You sent me a text and I sent you a question mark back because I didn't understand what the hell you were trying to say.

And I didn't send that text. And it was actually part of it was a copy and paste from an earlier text, a much earlier text. But it had three weeks prior. But it had some additional text in with it that didn't come from anywhere.

That's what happens when you have Apple products? It says something to affect them. I've taken the laughter. Damn you.

I've taken the laughter from this one and then it went into a text that Tim and I had sent. Well, it took a text that I had sent to Castle and not only did it copy and paste it basically, this is what it did, copy and paste it, but it added quotations around it as well. And then added the words, remove the laugh from and then it was my text and quotations. Yeah, and I mean I've got some theories on what it means.

I'm not entirely sure. And to be honest with you, my theories are not solid enough that I'm really willing to share them on here because it involves some very personal stuff. But I think I know what it was kind of getting at. Again, during the time period that text was sent, I was in the shower and it was like 5 a.m.

Nobody was there to- I told you it's because you're crappy Apple products. No, no, but it's kind of- It's crappy Apple products sending me text messages. Yes, we're having a hard time hooking it up the way we want. So that just says a lot.

Well according to everyone that I've asked so far on the live stream, they can hear everybody just fine. Yeah, so apparently it's working. That's just one example. I mean we've gotten threats and text messages that we can't account for Brandy's because she's been with Tim when they were sent.

Well there's been times where I'm on the phone with her and I can tell it's not her that I'm talking to. It's completely different. But anyway, so back to our original story. So Marco Polo is this app that we use sometimes to communicate with each other with video instead of text.

And this last week we were discussing two different cases. One is a succubus case. I'll have Tim talk about here in a minute. And that changed Tim's mind on their existence.

And the other one is a home that we've been to before. We didn't have any meetings with us. But another one that Tim has been to, but he's very convinced that it's going to be a type of respect and all the indications are that he's correct. But we're discussing setting up investigations for both of these cases.

And later that day as we're discussing it in this video text, we have Brandy on the Marco Polo. And she sends a video that's a few minutes long that is clearly not her. Now the interesting thing is we've done this enough and we've been with enough people, especially Tim and I have been on a lot of investigations that other members of the team have not. Where we've seen the exact same thing happen to other people.

And they behave the exact same way. They look the exact same way. There's some certain telltale signs that we see when somebody has a spirit control them basically. And it was very much what Brandy was doing in this particular video.

And it's interesting because if you look at the eyes, the eyes change. They're kind of flat. They're kind of dead. And even in the video, it almost looks like her, the muscular chair around her eyes is kind of changing.

And just this really flat, dead, evil, menacing kind of look. And she just stares into the video. I watched it. It was weird.

Yeah. It's just it's not her. And it's not something that I'm really willing to share with anybody publicly. Just for her privacy.

But if something or if I was to show you her, if you knew her, then you saw this video, you'd say that's not her. And again, it's not something that somebody can really emulate unless they've seen it a lot of times. And I've seen this exactly happen with other people who are not familiar with any of this kind of stuff. But again, this happens when we're discussing these cases.

And as we were wrapping up towards these cases, Brandy had more instances of things going weird in her life. But we've experienced a lot of times when we have cases coming up. And it's interesting because once they do, we will get things usually in threes. We usually have three cases crop up at the same time.

So we can't ever quite tell which case it's going to be. And interestingly enough, I talked about this case that we had. There was a case where I had somebody who was basically partially possessed enemy. And I had a text conversation with this being.

And that's one where I've talked about the past. I said this client disappeared and I had never heard from them since. I don't know what happened because it kind of disappeared. Well, while this is going on, that particular client suddenly puts in an application to join the team.

I haven't heard from this client for two years. And all of a sudden, boom, they're contacting us right in the middle of all this. And maybe I'm being superstitious, but I kind of look at it. It just seems like too big a coincidence that that particular client would contact us during all of that.

And I actually had read you with a picture tonight and that client still got some type three spirits that are around and with her. Yeah, it's crazy. I just want to throw this out there real quick in case he's still here. What's up, Dark Andy?

Dark Andy here? He said, oh no, I don't know if he's still there. I think that's really cool because I can actually watch it on my phone. Oh, there it is.

I can see the comments as they're popping up on my iPad. And Andy, if you want to set up a time with me, I will definitely come over and show you how to do this. Thank you for those who are listening after we compose this come Wednesday. They're going to be like, what the hell are you talking about?

Andy's wondering how to do this. He actually runs the Disney Landy podcast. And his wife, Aaron, runs out with him and also shout out to our friends life on the rocks where his wife is also on that podcast as well. So, Tim, tell us a little bit about the succubus cases, which is one of the cases that kind of cropped up around all this time going on.

Okay, so this case is actually kind of very personal for me. It's a friend of mine. It's her relative. It's someone that I know.

I've known them for years. She contacted me and it's the park opera. Yeah, I'm going to say Dark Andy's doing this. I forgot.

It used to be Disney Landy. It's now the park opera's legal reasons for the name change. Anyway, she contacted me and was basically telling me the stuff that was going on with her and her cousin. And he said he was hearing voices and there was just other random stuff going on.

She just kind of told me, you know, he'd get up in the middle of night screaming and saying that the demons were after him. And to be honest with you, at first I kind of thought it was mental illness as well as going on. And then I got a text that he said that this might sound weird, but it wants sex. I think it's a succubus.

His words exactly. And we lost our viewers because I think I'm not connected to the... Is it not working? No, it doesn't matter.

I'll just... I think it's still working. No, it's not much games as attempting to reconnect. Anyways, so I started doing a little bit more research than I had when we talked about it a couple weeks ago on our last podcast, but I contacted one of our mediums, Caden, and mentioned that I have some of the things that might have a succubus with him.

And I was still kind of thinking that it was fictitious. They didn't really exist. That it was just kind of something that was made up. But Caden's first response when I told him, hey, I think we have a succubus case.

He's like, oh, those are nasty. He's like, I've dealt with one before. He's like, it makes any T3 that you guys... And anyone that doesn't know our rating system, a T3 is what we call a demon or an inhuman spirit.

He basically said it makes any T3 that we've ever dealt with basically look like a puppy. They're far worse than anything we've ever dealt with. And they're very cunning, very tricky, very deceitful. They can kill it well, basically.

And I'm going to kind of throw this over to Peach a little bit to talk a little bit more about the succubus. And maybe you can tell people what you told me last night. Oh, you're at the gym. So I have a few friends that are wicking and I talk to them about it and talk to my spirit guys.

From what I can tell, they are very lustful and they are very manipulative. As we use the word alluring, they can appear to be very beautiful or handsome to get you to do things and they'll make promises. And they'll keep them, but it comes with a price. They always want something in exchange.

They do have a more powerful presence. You can feel them right off the bat as soon as you walk into an area with one. Where demons, like some of the T3s we've dealt with, just sort of kind of, they don't really speak. They just kind of manipulate succubuses, have no problem with talking through you, no problem using you as a puppet.

When they get mad or they feel threatened, they will scream at a high pitch scream and it's deafening to the ears. They don't care who is there, they have a plan and that's what they're going to do, whether somebody's watching or not. They can be very very scurry, very powerful beings. I've never dealt with one myself, but I know people who have.

It can be weird, I guess. It's almost humbling to a point, so hopefully we don't have to deal with that. I was going to say I know that Brandy B has had a case involving one. And for those who, you know, we've talked about rinks as a mesenchymus basically, it's a type 3 spirit.

It's just a specific flavor of one for lack of a better term. I mean, that's really all evil in human spirits are type 3. It's just that they just like regular walking or like regular people walking there, there's different types of people. It's just a different type of type 3.

I think they have a higher ranking than the ones that we've dealt with, that's why. Right, and it's interesting because when this case initially came in, Tim contacted me and says, you know, I've got this case that I think might be either a mental illness or be a succubus. And you know, mental illness is something that we do take into account quite seriously when we get these cases, just because you don't know. And really in all honesty, when we go in, it's pretty easy to figure out pretty quickly whether you're dealing with mental illness or if you're dealing with a spiritual problem, you know, in my everyday, in my big boy job, I deal with mental illness quite frequently.

I mean, I deal with mental illness probably only second to a psychologist or whatnot, just because I run into crazies and I have to deal with them and take them to psychologists. You know, I once had a lady who was trying to convince me that she was a pizza. So I had to convince her that I was a pizza delivery person so I could take her to the hospital. Okay.

So there are certain things that you look for and well, mentally ill people will do versus somebody who is dealing with an actual person. And so Tim contacted me and said, hey, I don't know if this is going to be a mental illness thing or a type 3 thing, but we have this potential case. And so Tim was doing some research and follow up and talking with the cousin of this individual and this individual a little bit. But as soon as Tim started looking into this case, that's when we started having things.

The Marco Polo. We started having the Marco Polo. Which I watched and as I was watching it, I noticed that my, they don't have a, or does have a color, it's fluid. So it's clear that you can see that energy around and it got smaller as I was being kind of taken over or jumped into.

And then when it jumped out, it went back to normal. So it pulls energy from you. And so, but it's interesting that that all happened as this case came in. You know, and it's interesting because the Marco Polo thing came in and as it did, we had, sorry, Tim's distracting me, trying to get the password.

Yes. Give me just a second. I'll put it in. It was basically this Marco Polo thing came in.

It's interesting because I don't know if Tim had seen it yet, they sent me a text and said, I think it might be mental illness. And as we got looked at all the time, I think it might not be. Well, I mean, the Marco Polo and all that stuff came a couple of days later, because I was originally started finding out, I think the Marco Polo was almost a whole week after I first started hearing about all the stuff that was going on with my friends cousin. And, you know, at first everything kind of pointed towards mental illness, but as things kind of started developing and unraveling, it started leaning a lot more towards paranormal.

Unfortunately, for us, I don't want to say us more so for them, but they have since told me that basically he has just admitted that he is crazy and that there's nothing paranormal going on, which we kind of have the feeling that that's not exactly true, but there's not anything we can do. We can't make someone let us help them. Right. Well, I just say, and paranormal, even though mental illness has got some really clear telltale signs, a Type 3 can also make their involvement look like mental illness.

And somebody suffering from being controlled or oppressed by a Type 3 spirit can even think that they're suffering from mental illness based just on kind of some of the experiences that they are having and what's not going on. But like Tim said, and Tim is absolutely correct, you can't help somebody who doesn't want help or who refuses your help. Actually, I have a very good friend, his name is Andy, he actually is a religious scholar. And actually I had this conversation with him just a couple of days ago about, you know, another client that I had, well, I worked with Lurch on this one where they can have a full on possession.

And we had a bug over time trying to help this kid. And ultimately we couldn't and he ended up taking his own life. And, you know, as I talk with my friend, this religious scholar goes, you know, he goes, that's consistent with things that are in the scriptures, is that basically you can provide, you know, priesthood, whatever, or whatever help, unless the person who is being afflicted is willing to receive that help or have the faith to use that help. It's not going to do them any good.

And this kid is pretty far in. I think Brandi remembers looking at his picture and saying that he was pretty deep in. And he'd been messing with black magic since he was in his late teens. And he was about his mid 20s when he ended up finally taking his own life.

But he was in pretty deep. And it's not a common for those who get wrapped up with magic or type three spirits to get themselves in so deep that they have a difficult, if not impossible time, getting out. So, but it's kind of interesting, like, just the fact that, again, we do have these lead up to these cases, you know, to cleave Evans' case that I talked about earlier and that we've had a podcast about prior to his home being investigated. We had all kinds of stuff going on.

So when we started getting a lot of messages, things of that nature. And so it's fascinating to see these lead in to these cases when something really bad is about to go down. Tim, I've got a question for you. What was the manifestation of the secular?

What was it that was being seen? How was the person perceiving that? Was it as an individual that was there? Was it, I mean, how did they describe him?

So mainly what he was going on was that he was hearing voices. And a lot of it came through like it was his cousin. Well, a couple of different cousins were just saying things like, you know, we don't love you. We don't want you around anymore.

The other thing I was told was that he was being held down, like they were holding his legs down. I didn't ever get like an actual, like any details as far as like what it looked like. He just mentioned that it wanted sex and that it's a succuous. So as far as like what it looks like, he didn't get into details on that.

You know, and it's interesting because like I mentioned, we talk about getting, you know, two or three cases of crop up about the same time when we start getting manifestations of something around the corner. And that same weekend, Tim had tickets to go to investigate the family tree on a public investigation and actually invited me along as well. And that's another one where Lucy, who we've talked about before is there and she's also obsessed with sex. And so again, it comes down to the fact that we oftentimes get three cases and there's another residential case that we haven't really talked about that we had scheduled that same weekend.

But Peaches contact us and let us know that she had another period of time where she lost time and was told that she was muttering basically lust. What were you muttering? Do you remember? I consulted Annie and she told me that I was in the shower when it happened.

And I was muttering the seven deadly sins over and over and I guess like the last time that I was saying it, I guess I'd said it probably a couple dozen times. When I got to the word lust, I just said the word lust like half a dozen times and then quit. Which again, lust would be something that the succubus would be interested in or even Lucy at the family tree. So if I was to give you my gut opinion, I think it's probably the succubus case that we're probably end up not working where all this is coming from.

But again, when we get three, it's hard to nail it down because there's usually relation. You know, Lucy is obsessed with that as well. And so we don't know if it was Lucy kind of flexing her muscles prior to a potential investigation or if it was the succubus case or the home that we've not talked about that we need to go back to. Well, it does make it difficult too because that text message we talked about earlier in the podcast happened the day before I was supposed to go to family tree last month but ended up not being able to go.

So it's just having it been rescheduled to yesterday when I was supposed to go and more stuff started happening again. It kind of makes it hard to pinpoint where it's coming from. So do you guys have any more on that or do we want to move on to Sandy's questions? Okay, so we are just what we running out of time.

Okay, so Sandy sent me three questions and they kind of run the gamut here a little bit. So her first question is elementals. When you guys introduce this subject, I was completely thrown off. To be honest, I'm still fuzzy as to where they originate from, what types of spirits we're talking about and so forth.

Deand do you want to run with that? Sure. So I think partly where people get hung up is as human beings, we know that there are people and we know that there are animals and we can wrap our head around to maybe an animal that we've never seen before. Or even a breed of dogs.

We might know about dogs but maybe we've never seen this breed of dog before. So it's really hard for us to kind of fathom anything else. So pretty much you just have to be able to have an open mind and fathom that there are other things on the earth that we can't see but are here. And we don't necessarily know their purpose.

Right. And why are they here? Like Castle said, we don't know, but they just are. And elementals are most of the time they just hang out in their element and don't bother people.

Usually when they become a problem is if they've been summoned or manipulated, you know, or somehow you just really piss them off. Otherwise they just kind of hang out and do their thing. And what is their thing? No, we don't know.

Maybe that's why maybe the water elementals make the water flow down the hill. Maybe they help gravity. I don't know. I pretty much, I think they're a thing.

I believe in them. I have a hard time really explaining them as you've all just listened to for like the last two minutes. But the more I do this, the more I think that they are. And here's the thing.

I've mentioned the religious aspect of this. It's no secret that I approach this subject very much from a religious point of view. And religiously I can't explain them. They don't contradict anything I believe religiously.

But I can't explain them. And ultimately, and when I tell people the religious aspect of things, you know, not to get too far into the weeds of religion, but with religion what matters is faith, repentance, baptism, that's pretty much what you hear about in church because that's all that really matters from getting to where you need to be standpoint. It doesn't mean that there's not things that are here that don't serve a purpose. And I can say, for instance, if you go on a cruise ship, you care about sleeping, you care about food, you care about having fun.

You don't think about or care about the guys in the engine room or the person who is mopping up the cruise ship after you leave or the other people. You know, if you go on a cruise ship after you leave or those who are staring at the ship because it doesn't matter when you're on the cruise, all you care about is the food, having fun, sleeping. And it's kind of the same way. I suspect that these spirits that we don't understand that we do know exist to an extent serve some purpose.

I'm sure some are, well, I know for facts, some are evil and they're basically type 3s. There's some in my opinion are kind of ambiguous. I'm not entirely sure. But I don't know if they may be the proverbial engine boy that are doing something important here on the surf, but ultimately from a religious standpoint, it doesn't matter.

That's where I was going to do a different analogy, but it's the same thing. And if they were to stop doing their thing, we might notice, but they don't. So that's kind of how it's not to be honest with you, Sandy. I don't know that I understand them very well.

I know some things they don't like, so if there's a problem with them, I don't know how to get rid of them for the most part. But as far as a deep understanding and maybe able to explain them into great detail, I know what I know and that's why we do this is to learn. And to be honest with you, if you ask me any year, I may have a different answer for you. But I don't know.

Sometimes we learn things as we go and we just have to muddle through with what we know and understand. Sometimes we tend to reviews on things like succubus. Yes, I'm going to say, if you listen to the episode like two episodes ago, I straight up said, yeah, they don't exist. Well, and essentially because I periodically go through the WIS website and there's some articles that I've written in that began as written.

Oh, I read some of my past articles. I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I wrote that in time. Carry put it on the site. Oh, yeah, I was going to say I've had to go through and I need to go through again and revise some of my articles because some of my ideas and views have changed based on research and they're outdated.

And to be honest with you, even if I changed it today to what I know and believe a year or two from now, I may look back and go. That was dumb. Just because we learn all the time. So I actually know everything you do.

Yeah, me too. I just kind of look at you and go, how you're dumb. I actually like that. He's got more than three questions here.

I hate you. All right, so any second question. This was kind of an interesting question that I want to get into just a little bit. And it kind of goes back a little bit to what we were just talking about with you as folklore.

Many of the bits and pieces I've heard you talk about have amazed me as they have direct connotations or connections to things I formerly thought were simply fairy tales from gnomes to fairies. It seems there's an actual factual connection to themes in pre-normal study, but that's not all the tools of the trade as well. Sol, herbs, stones. How many fictional stories have they used?

Some of these resources were off evil history is this way and learning the history and what is fact or fiction can be fascinating. And that's true. A lot of the folk lore as far as I get rid of stuff is actually based on fact, the saging, things of that nature. But even mystical creatures, periodically I listen to coast to coast A.M.

For those not familiar with it, it's on 105.9, pretty much every night about 11 o'clock. And they talk about all kinds of different paranormal things, health things, alien things, conspiracy theory things. And a lot of what I think is hooey, but there's some interesting stuff on there. But one night I had somebody who was talking about leprechauns and fairies and just stuff that, yeah, Brandy Peaches has given me a look.

And as far as actual beings, I don't know that I, well, I know I don't believe in them. Unless an leprechauns comes and tap dances on my mixer right now, I am not a believer in leprechauns. Hey, that always happens to me like you terms. Exactly.

But really a lot of these folklore beings I suspect do have a root in some kind of spiritual manifestation. Not necessarily flesh and blood, leprechaun, but some kind of spirit manifestation that somebody's interpreted, defined, and basically set up a belief system around. So what about wisps? Wisps are one of fact, do you want to talk about what a wisp is?

All of us at the table. Okay. No, because I'm not sure where you're going with it. Well, a wisp is actually a fairy tale kind of...

Oh, like a willow wisp? Yes, do you want to talk about a wisp? Yeah, so you see these, they've kind of been in the movie, what is it, Rave? They show the wisp, it's a little blue light, and you look at it and you go, that's pretty, and you follow it, and you think it's something cool, kind of like a siren, and it's going to lead you off into the forest and you get lost.

And fairies can eat you, I'm not exactly sure what happens once you follow them into the forest. It's basically a ghost light, and that's part of why I came up with the acronym I did, is just because it goes light, as a wisp, it's a ball of light that leads travelers off the road into danger essentially. So that's what we're doing. Yes, I'm leaving off the road.

We're killing our clients? Yes. 10. No wonder what we get, don't we...

How long did we say that loud? That's why we only have four listeners. Alright, we've got five viewers right now. So let's go on to...

Oh, I'm sorry. Question four. You have a question for me? Yes.

Okay. Oh, wait, question three, excuse me. You don't even know. How's that Alzheimer's treating you?

Damn it. What happened next? Sometimes it feels we don't get the whole story. For example, not sure I ever heard or got all the story about the child and the doll.

In one episode you were getting ready to go on an investigation where a doll is involved. There are several other random episodes that happened, and I honestly... The whole episode? Yeah, we'll talk about it here in a second.