“Open cruelty”
from Deadline: White House Hosted by Michael Crowley, Jacob Soboroff, Cornell Belcher, Tim Miller, Rick Stengel, Nicolle Wallace
October 13th, 2025, 4pm: From Joe Rogan to Marjorie Taylor Greene, more Trump allies are criticizing his administration’s mass deportation campaign and the shape it’s taking in Chicago, with the federalizing of the National Guard. Nicolle Wallace talks to MSNBC’s Jacob Soboroff about everything he’s seen and heard on the ground from that city and later, discusses what comes next after all living Israeli hostages are released in the first phase of the ceasefire deal. For more, follow us on Instagram @deadlinewh To listen to this show and other MSNBC podcasts without ads, sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. For more from Nicolle, follow and download her podcast, “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace,” wherever you get your podcasts. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts.
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Nicolle Wallace discusses the growing backlash to Donald Trump’s cruel mass deportation campaign in American cities as supporters call out brutal tactics as well as the homecoming of the living Israeli hostages.
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