Open Source, Agents, and the Next AI Wave w/ Angie Jones

Recorded live at All Things Open, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf talk with Angie Jones about AI, coding models, and the evolving landscape of open source. They unpack the importance of community-driven tooling, skill gaps in using AI, the future of agentic systems, and why open communities matter in shaping technology. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (01:18) - Wine rating & review (03:30) - Hot Take: Claude vs ChatGPT (04:20) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language? (04:56) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language? (05:31) - Hot Take: Is AI to blame when people do dumb shit with it? (09:50) - How open source shaped Angie’s career (14:54) - The problem with AI training on open source data (23:02) - What is MCP and why does it matter? (25:10) - Using MCP when you don’t follow every part of the spec (26:25) - Are we building new walled gardens inside MCP? (31:16) - Building DevRel in a rapidly-changing AI landscape (36:06) - Conference season stress & preparing new talks (39:41) - Where to find Angie online Links Ep 175: Decentralized Identity: The Future of Privacy and Security with Angie Jones: https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones Block: https://block.xyz/ MCP: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/ Claude: https://claude.ai ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/ HTML: https://www.w3schools.com/html/ CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/ Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/ GitHub: https://github.com/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ GooseAI: https://goose.ai/ Sam Altman: https://x.com/sama Peter Thiel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel Marc Andreessen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com Kent C. Dodds: https://kentcdodds.com/ Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/ Safari: https://www.apple.com/safari/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/ Angie's keynote at DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/ Connect with Jason Website: https://jason.energy/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/jlengstorf   Connect with Angie Website: https://angiejones.tech X / Twitter: https://x.com/techgirl1908 Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.